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Speaker 1: And then you know that there have been two famous

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Speaker 1: Even guys that end up do it like doing it.

430
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Speaker 1: It can be really, really difficult, and I would imagine

431
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Speaker 1: programs like New England. Clearly New England, I think Seattle

432
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: does a good job of it. I think now with

433
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan are doing all the winning teams, the Eagles,

434
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: the chiefs. When you look at losing teams and you

435
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 1: see these players that are just like fighting for themselves

436
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: young guys, It's like, come on, this has to be

437
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: a group effort here, and the information and all the

438
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 1: work you do in the scouting process just just needs

439
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: to start getting factored in more. I mean, these teams

440
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: are are wasting all the resources that they spend for

441
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: the twelve months or maybe let's say the nine months

442
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: you use getting ready for this player and then ultimately

443
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,719
Speaker 1: picking them, and then you just end up disregarding it

444
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 1: by the time the guy gets in your building. It

445
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: just doesn't make any sense. Okay. Like like you, guys,

446
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm not any different. I'm a sucker for a good

447
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: trade rumor. It's probably why I got into the business.

448
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to work in the NFL. I

449
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: love transactions, Love drafts, Love draft day trades, love free agency,

450
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: love trades. Uh, love it all. I mean, that's why

451
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: we all it's the cool part about sports, you know, transactions,

452
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: adding players to your team. This is the type of

453
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: time of year with free agency right around the corner

454
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: where we're reading a lot about this guy might be released.

455
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: We've talked about cap Cuts. The guy that I saw

456
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: the other day since the Since the Early Week podcast

457
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: was Devonte Freeman. I immediately text couple of my buddies

458
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: in the league and they go, yeah, he's not He's

459
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: a shell of himself. He's slower now. But you're gonna

460
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: see a ton of names like that. But you're also

461
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: gonna see some, you know, pretty famous guys like last year,

462
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: the big is Odell Beckham gonna get traded. A couple

463
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: of years ago, Khalil Mack got traded. Now that was

464
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: you know, in training camp. But still we've seen some

465
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: pretty big trades the last couple of years. So I

466
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: do take When I see a headline that says Matt

467
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: Stafford is on the block, I retweet immediately because I'm like, WHOA,

468
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even think about him like

469
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Speaker 1: that sweet, And then I realized, got you gotta take

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Speaker 1: a deep breaths on. What I do now is like

471
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Speaker 1: Google and I go to spot track. It's where you

472
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: can look at a player's contract in basketball. When I

473
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Speaker 1: give Steph Curry five years, two hundred million, I do

474
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: stagger the money a little bit, like year to year

475
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: he makes a little more every year, But basically it's

476
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: thirty five, thirty eight whatever to add up to two million.

477
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: Clay Thompson, same deal, and it's all it's just spread

478
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: out throughout the deal. There is no signing bonus. Just

479
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: his first year he makes thirty five million. By the

480
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: second year he's made sixty five million. It just keeps

481
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: adding up. It's not the way it works in baseball.

482
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: Same thing. I think they have changed baseball a little bit,

483
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: like some guys do the scrow account where they get

484
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: money later on. That's kind of been a new thing.

485
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: But still for the most part, your money is your money.

486
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: In football, that's not the case, right. We see all

487
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Speaker 1: the time, like breaking news that's gonna happen when free

488
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: agency starts. Trying to think of a player. Let's go on,

489
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: Mariy Cooper. Amari Cooper has signed a five year, hundred

490
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: million dollar deal twenty million dollars a season. We're like, damn,

491
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: Amory got paid the Colts, the Cowboys, that's what we

492
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Speaker 1: all like, Give him his bag. And then it comes out, well,

493
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: actually he did sign a five million dollar deal on paper,

494
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Speaker 1: but there's only forty seven point seven million dollars of

495
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Speaker 1: the guaranteed. She's like, oh, so he basically signed a

496
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Speaker 1: two and a half year, forty seven million dollar deal.

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Speaker 1: Because the way football works is the true guaranteed money

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Speaker 1: you make, Like Matt Stafford's total guarantees were ninety two

499
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Speaker 1: million dollars, so you take that ninety two million dollars

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Speaker 1: and you pro rate it at I don't know the

501
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: exact like formula over the life of the deal, and

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Speaker 1: it's usually more upfront the true guaranteed, Like his true

503
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: guarantee its signings like sixty million dollars. So in his

504
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: first year of that deal, his dead cap if they

505
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: were to cut him, would have been seventy five million dollars.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of money, so you're not gonna cut

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Speaker 1: a guy when it would cost seventy five million dollars

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Speaker 1: on your cab. But in two thousand twenty, as of

509
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Speaker 1: right now, Matt Stafford's dead cap meant if they cut

510
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: him or traded him, meaning the bonus money that has

511
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: got amortized over the deal would be thirty two million dollars. Well,

512
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Speaker 1: the salary cap is two hundred million dollars, so think

513
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: about it. Thirty million dollars of two hundred would be

514
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: fiftent and be like sixteen percent of the salary cap.

515
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Speaker 1: You wouldn't trade a guy to not play on your

516
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Speaker 1: team to be sixtent of your salary cap to play

517
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Speaker 1: for someone else. It doesn't make any sense. It's actually

518
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Speaker 1: cheaper to keep him his cap hit. So if he's

519
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Speaker 1: on the team, there's no such thing as dead cap

520
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: because he's on your team. But his actual cap hit

521
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: if he's on the team is twenty one million dollars,

522
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: so you actually save over basically eleven million dollars. But

523
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Speaker 1: just keeping him around, and any time that you see

524
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: a big, big name like this, just go to the

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Speaker 1: internet google his contract, I use spot track, sp O,

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Speaker 1: t R a C dot com and you can just

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Speaker 1: look at the numbers. Now when guys, it's why Derek

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Speaker 1: Carr keeps coming up because they can get a Derek

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Speaker 1: Carr for like four million dollars. Once you get under

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00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, six seven million dollars. When the salary caps

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Speaker 1: two hundred million dollars, it's nothing. Once you get under

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Speaker 1: five million dollars of dead cap, think about the salary

533
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Speaker 1: caps two hundrellion dollars, so you're talking like two and

534
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: a half percent you can stomach that, but when you're

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Speaker 1: talking to thirty two million dollars, and I know on Thursday,

536
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, the GM of the Lions, came out and

537
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: was adamant, like it wasn't one of those like PR stunts.

538
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: It was like, this is insane, and you know what

539
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: he's I believe him because it makes no sense. That

540
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: was part of the reason the New York Giants last

541
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Speaker 1: year got nailed and got kind of took a lot

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Speaker 1: of ship. Because I'm typing in O'Dell to the to

543
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: the website right now, because last year I think O'Dell's

544
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: dead cap money was I got him right here. So

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00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: O'Dell's dead cap money was nineteen million dollars last year.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, Yeah, nineteen million dollars. That was on the

547
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Brown or the New York Giant salary camp.

548
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: Actually it might have been higher than that. This This

549
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: might not be right, because I remember reading it it

550
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: was higher than that. Think about that they they paid

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Speaker 1: a guy it was good to just not be on

552
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Speaker 1: their team. It really didn't make any sense if you're

553
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Speaker 1: going to sign a human to a big deal, and

554
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: in football, I'd say anything over thirty million dollars guaranteed

555
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: is pretty big because once you get the thirty year

556
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: immediately talking about two years, you're talking the first and

557
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: second years. You can't trade them or cut them without

558
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: taking a huge penalty on your own cap. So this year,

559
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: when the when the free agency comes around, any guys

560
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: getting thirty plus, and obviously the good players get forty six,

561
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks get now a hundred and hundred twenty hundred ten,

562
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: you're stuck with those guys for a while. And the

563
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: good thing about the NFL, you really only do deals

564
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: with four or five of those guys a team. Right

565
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: In basketball, every guys on a guaranteed deal. Same with baseball.

566
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Speaker 1: But in baseball, like that Mookie Bets trade that just happened,

567
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: you can do weird things, right the Boston Red Sox

568
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: eight half the contract and traded David Price. In football,

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Speaker 1: I can't eat my dead cap, the dead caps the

570
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: dead cap. I can eat maybe some of the cap

571
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Speaker 1: hit and the money, but I can't eat the dead

572
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: cap that that number is set. So whenever you see

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Speaker 1: these names get thrown around, it's not gonna stop, it's

574
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Speaker 1: gonna continue, because that's just the world we live in.

575
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Speaker 1: Now on social media. Just do a double checking because

576
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: I know I need to because I'm like, oh, that's

577
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: the effort is not going anywhere. Okay, let's slide into

578
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Speaker 1: some d m S. Favorite NFL pod me too. Please

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Speaker 1: don't change the thing. I won't. I'm a chief sty

580
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Speaker 1: hard and season ticket holder. This past month is easily

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Speaker 1: my favorite sports moment stretch of my life. I have

582
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: to say, I don't blame you. I know you say

583
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: you're out of the fan business, But what are your

584
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: favorite game you've seen to or been favorite sports moment

585
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: in your life? Yeah, I mean, I'm all a fan.

586
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: I got a lot of joy after watching coach Reid win.

587
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: I got a lot of joy after watching the forty

588
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: Niners when the NFC Championship game. Say my favorite pure

589
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: moment pretty special in a ten year old get kid

590
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: when the Niners won the won the Super Bowl, Steve Young,

591
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: get the monkey off my back. Two thousand and ten,

592
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: when the San Fransco Giants won the World Series. That

593
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: was freaking awesome, especially because I was living in Philly

594
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: and the Giants played the Phillies in the NLCS and

595
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: Cody Ross took Roy Halliday, who was unhittable. Literally, I

596
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: don't think he gave up a hit in the Uh.

597
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: In his first series, he threw a no hitter and

598
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: Cody Ross had two home runs off him in that series.

599
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: That was badass. Uh. Yeah, those will probably be the

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Speaker 1: the top. I mean, I was a big Niners Giants

601
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: fan growing up basketball. I kind of bounced around. I

602
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: was always a big U c l a basketball fan.

603
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: They haven't been good in a while, but you know,

604
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: I've always kind of been a horror as a fan.

605
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: I just root for specific players that I like and

606
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: kind of latch. I've always been like that, specific coaches

607
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: that I like. But growing up, I mean, the Niners

608
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: and the San Francsco Giants were massive. I mean they

609
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: were they were my life. And then as I got

610
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: in football, I mean, I just it's just not the same.

611
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 1: It's just not I mean, when you get to know

612
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: these people, it just changes. You know, It's hard to

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00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: explain some people, you know, when I try to tell them,

614
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: I don't think they quite get it. Obviously. When I

615
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: got into this, just sports in general, when I started

616
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: doing it stuff in college, it was my life and

617
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: my passion. But it's just it's rare that you just

618
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: are able to keep it. Like, I still get a

619
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: lot of joy out of watching games my rooting interest.

620
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: Now I just gamble a lot um. But yeah, then,

621
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: I mean the ninety four so young, they're probably there

622
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: were some forty niner moments when I was like in

623
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Speaker 1: high school, the Terrell Owens, the game where you had

624
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: the game winning catch against the Packers that would have

625
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: been like nine nine. There are some playoff games in

626
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 1: the early two thousand's, but then by the time like

627
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: I got to Fresno State, probably in the late two thousands,

628
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: it was just I thought about it a little differently,

629
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Speaker 1: So baseball was probably one Baseball really is. Like I'm

630
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: still a big Giants fan. That's the one team that

631
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm still I don't know, I know a couple of

632
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: people in the sport, but it's just still kind of

633
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: pure to me from a fan standpoint, And that's why

634
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so piste off right now. I gotta watch

635
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: Gabe Kapler I refuse and the Dodgers are really good. Now,

636
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I still hate some teams that I

637
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: hated growing up. I hate the Lakers, though I'm I'm

638
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: not a Lebron hater, but I hate the Lakers. I

639
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: root for them to lose. I hate the Houston Rockets,

640
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: route for them to lose. I don't really hate the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: Is there a college team I hate. I'm not a

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Speaker 1: big Ohio state guy, but I know a couple of

643
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: people who went to a house state and I like them.

644
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: So it's like, what am I hating this? Because they're sweet?

645
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Speaker 1: But I I can I can understand. I mean, when

646
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Speaker 1: you when you're number one team wins a championship and

647
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs, I don't know how old you are,

648
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: but if you're three or forty, I mean, it's a

649
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: long time. You know, it's hell is a long time

650
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Speaker 1: just to get to the championship game. So that's that's

651
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Speaker 1: a cool moment, you know, you you never forget that.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna skip that question. Is there a scenario that

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Speaker 1: you can see the Colts signing a quarterback in free

654
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Speaker 1: agency and trading Jacoby Brosett back to the Patriots. Well,

655
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Speaker 1: the scenario would be Tom leaving them, landing Philip Rivers

656
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 1: and the Patriots needing a quarterback. So right there, Tom

657
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: leaves uh Rivers goes to the Indie Jacoby goes back

658
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: to to the New England. There's your scenario. I have

659
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: a hard time seeing them trading him though, because his

660
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: cap number, his dead caps pretty big. I think in

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00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: a perfect world they signed Philip Rivers and they keep

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00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: Jacoby at the backup. Maybe I'm crazy, maybe I'm wrong,

663
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: and maybe it'll play out a different way, but that's

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Speaker 1: kind of the way I envision it. International A listener

665
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: here all the way from ports Smith UK. Portsmouth UK,

666
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: just wondered your take on a possible franchise move to London.

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00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: Should we get excited by the Jags? Playing back to

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00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: back games here this year is a step toward them moving.

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Speaker 1: If not the Jags, which other team could be in

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00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: the frame for a move. I think it is the Jags,

671
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: and I think it's borderline inevitable once you go back

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00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: to back games. I my guests uneducated. I don't know

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00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: anyone in the league office. I follow shot CON's kid

674
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: on Twitter. He follows me, but I've DMed a couple

675
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: of times, never dms me back, so it's not like

676
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: we're friends. I would again completely no inside air information.

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00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: I'd go over under five years and I'd put it

678
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: right about it five years. The Jaguars are in London,

679
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jacks. The Jacksonville markets too small. Clearly, they

680
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: already have their kind of toes over there. They've got

681
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: to be making money. I think the league ultimately wants

682
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: to go international. That's the team. You're not gonna move Tampa.

683
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: The Glaziers have too much cash. You're not gonna move

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00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons. You have to have to be a

685
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: team on the Eastern Seaboard. I guess Buffalo maybe, But

686
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: it seems like things are going pretty well there New England.

687
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: No Giants, no Jets, no Phillies, no Redskins no. So

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Speaker 1: it's just it's gotta be the Jags. Am I missing

689
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: a team in Florida? The Dolphins? No. So it's so

690
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: the Jags are bust. I don't even think there's another option. Hey, John,

691
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: love the show, keep up the awesome content. Appreciate it.

692
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: My question is do you think the Broncos should stay

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Speaker 1: with Drew Lock or do you think they will try

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Speaker 1: to trade up for one of the top quarterbacks in

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Speaker 1: the draft. They just draft Drew Lock in the second

696
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Speaker 1: round and he looked pretty good to end the season.

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Speaker 1: I think one million percent. You roll with Drew lock

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00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: and you see what he's got this year, he's a

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00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: starting quarterback. Your defense should be good. Your Pat you

700
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: know you got what's his name, Bradley Chubb coming back

701
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: with Vaughan, I would imagine the defense is even better.

702
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: Another year under Fanngio you have Pat Shermer. I think

703
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: you're equipped to be a really good team, really good strong.

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00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: Let me let me roll that back. I think you

705
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: have equipped to be a good team. You went seven

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00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: and nine this year after a terrible start. What was

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00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: it one in five, one and six? Why can't you

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00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: be nine and seven compete for a wild card? Nine

709
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: and seven made the wild card this year? Ten and

710
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: six division is not very good. Who's gonna charges quarterback?

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Speaker 1: If Brady doesn't come? Might be Herbert? So that they

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00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: might not be good. I mean they have a lot

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00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: of talent. Chiefs are good, the Raiders. Who knows? Why

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00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: why couldn't you finish second that division and go nine

715
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 1: and seven and make the playoffs. It's a long question here,

716
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: love the show. Long question in coming, I see. Feel

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00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: free to stop reading once you get to the gist

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Speaker 1: of what I'm asking. I've always been curious about how scouts, gms,

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Speaker 1: in front offices evaluate the relative value of draft picks.

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Speaker 1: How many third round picks is a first round pick worth?

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Speaker 1: If you could hypothetically give up a first a mid

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Speaker 1: first round pick to get two second rounders and two

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00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: third rounders, wouldn't that be more value for your team

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Speaker 1: since instead of getting one guy who of one of

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00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: your top twenty players, you are getting four guys who

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00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: you have in the five players. I get what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: There's a thing that has been around since Jimmy Johnson

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00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: that has been updated in two thousand twenty. It's been

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00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: updated every year, but now most teams have an updated chart.

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Speaker 1: They put a number value on on every pick. So

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Speaker 1: let's just start hypothetically the number one overall pick is

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Speaker 1: worth ten thousand points, and then it starts working this

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Speaker 1: way down until the next picks worth you know, and

734
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: then you know hundred and then and it eventually starts

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Speaker 1: dropping off big. It goes from like once you get

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Speaker 1: from pick like twelve to fifteen, you go, you know,

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00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: it drops off dramatically. So you have to add up

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Speaker 1: if I'm getting two second round picks, do they add

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00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: up to the value and that's kind of how most

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00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: teams operate. Now, there is a tax. If you want

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00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: my one or two overall pick, you gotta over pay

742
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: for it, right because I know you want a quarterback.

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00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: To me, if you want the tenth pick to get

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00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: a tackle, and you have a late first rounder and

745
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: a midsecond rounder, and it's give or take the value,

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00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: and I like the value, I'll do it. But if

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00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: I have the number one overall pick and you want

748
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: to and you have the eighth pick and you can

749
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: meet the value, I'll give you the eighth pick, I'll

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00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: give you my second round pick, and i'll give you

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00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: next year's first round pick. Well, let's say I have

752
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Speaker 1: the number one overall pick and I like Joe Burrow,

753
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: but I don't need a quarterback. But I have multiple

754
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: teams bidding for it. Even if the offer that you

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00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: first gave me two ones and a two, What if

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00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: I got you know what, I'm gonna need more because

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00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: I'll just trade them to someone else I have a

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00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: better offer on the table. Or hell, I'll just stay

759
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: here and take Chase young you. It's it's real estate.

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00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: It's it's a ocean front property. There's only so much

761
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: real estate. There, and there's only so many quarterbacks in

762
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: every draft, and especially when I know that you like

763
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: a quarterback. So I think there's a leverage game when

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00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: you when you factor in quarterbacks, when you factor in

765
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: just a corner or wide receiver, you just have to

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00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: equal the number, assuming that team wants to trade. And

767
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the good teams that don't

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00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: need quarterbacks are always open to trading for you know,

769
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Speaker 1: if I have the pick and you'll offer me two

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00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: twos and next year's one, you know a smart team

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00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: will do that, right again if I if the value

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Speaker 1: is good and I have a bunch of highly rated

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Speaker 1: guys in the top fifty five of the draft. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's also determined on what players are in

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00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: a given draft, like every draft is not the same.

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00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: This draft, from just the naked eye, I watch a

777
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: lot of I watch an unhealthy amount of college football,

778
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: and from my friends in the NFL, is a really

779
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: good draft. It feels like there's gonna be a really

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Speaker 1: talented like top seventy five. So the difference between in

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00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: this draft pick thirty and pick eight might not be

782
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: that dramatic. For a lot of teams, they go yeah,

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00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: we'll get a starter at either spot, so we might

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00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: as well trade back and get extra picks. But if

785
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: the draft was shitty and you're like, well, you know,

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00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: this is not a great top fifty players. There's like

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00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: seventeen good players and there's a dramatic drop off and

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00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: most of the guys were just guys, then you probably

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00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't be as likely to do that. So I think

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00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: it's I think it's very dependent on the crop of

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00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: guys on an individual year. Like the number one pick

792
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: is not always the same. There's a sweet quarterback in

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00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: the draft, it changes it. If there's not, it doesn't

794
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: like last year having a top two pick was a

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00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: big deal. It's Kyler Murray and Nick Bosa. Then it

796
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: was like, then who do you take? You know, Quentin

797
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: Williams one year wonder, then Cleveland Ferrell. Then I like

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00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 1: Devin White. But it's just some unknown and that last

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00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 1: year was a good draft. But it felt like Kyler

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00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: Murray was a star and he wont Offensive Rookie of

801
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 1: the Year, which we could argue, but he's clearly pretty good.

802
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: And Nick Bosa, listen, I was wrong. I tried to.

803
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: I was just too negative. But it's clear. I mean,

804
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: he's a superstar. So that that was the draft. I

805
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: mean the one year that Solomon Thomas went third, it

806
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: was Myles Garrett went one, who was by far the

807
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: best player in the draft. Then it went Mr Bisky

808
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: Solomon Thomas. So on that given years, like you know,

809
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: some years it's like Alden Smith and J. J. Watt

810
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: are going, Tana Levin and Odell Beckham and you know,

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Speaker 1: you just every draft is kind of unique, and that's

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00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: the key to knowing the draft value is factoring in

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00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: the chart, but with the players and how you value

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00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: them kind of on a year to year basis. That's

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Speaker 1: why it gets pretty complicated. It's also why having experience

816
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: in drafts and knowing the league and knowing the next

817
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: crop of guys coming out is really important. You can't

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00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: live in the moment, even though sometimes on draft night

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00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: it's hard not to live in the moment. You spent

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00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: all this time. I've seen it firsthand. You work all spring,

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00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: You then work summary evaluating the guy's junior tape or

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00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: sophomore tape. Then you work all fall evaluating the actual tape.

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Speaker 1: Then you go through the combine and the pro days

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00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: and the workouts, and then all of a sudden you

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00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: get there and it's hard to go, well, it's just

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Speaker 1: push this back another year. You're like, hell, I've been

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Speaker 1: I've been cooking all night. I want to eat right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're just you're ready to sit down for dinner.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes it's it's hard to put the fork down.

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00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: But the smart teams have the discipline that you could

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00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: argue the smart people in life have discipline. That's why

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go eat some ice cream now that I'm

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Speaker 1: done recording. Appreciate everyone listening. See you guys next week. Audios.

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Speaker 1: Have a great freaking weekend, and uh and yeah, enjoy

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Speaker 1: wherever you are. It might be cold, it might be sunny,

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Speaker 1: who knows, but enjoy the weekend. So