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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A suspect keeps driving with a young single mom dead

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Speaker 2: on his windshield after he mows her down dead. The

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Speaker 2: young mom dead on his windshield and he keeps driving

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Speaker 2: estimate for miles wait for it. In the last four years,

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Speaker 2: he had been charged nine times with road related incidents.

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Speaker 1: Why was he behind the wheel? Why is this single mom?

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Speaker 1: She is the sole caregiver for her little boy.

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Speaker 2: Now she's dead, and all she was doing was riding

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Speaker 2: along on an e bike, minding her own business until

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Speaker 2: Xavier Rigby crashes into her life.

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Speaker 1: I mean, see, Grace, this is crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Kirsten Strayng was a devoted single mother whose life revolved

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Speaker 3: around her young son. Their days were filled with trips

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Speaker 3: to the beach and creating a fun life for the

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Speaker 3: two until one faithful night.

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Speaker 4: Shattered their world forever.

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Speaker 1: Those photos are killing me.

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Speaker 2: It reminds me of the thousands and thousands of photos

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Speaker 2: I took of the twins when they were little. According

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Speaker 2: to everyone to whom we have spoken, this mom, Kirsten lived,

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Speaker 2: lived for her little boy, and now she's gone. She

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Speaker 2: is a soul car than give her to her son,

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Speaker 2: what's going.

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Speaker 1: To happen to him now?

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Speaker 2: And what about her dreams of seeing him graduate from kindergarten,

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Speaker 2: then gone to first grade, then middle school, high school, college,

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Speaker 2: and beyond her leading.

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Speaker 1: Him along the way? Is only one.

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Speaker 2: Person can do, and that is your mother. Enter the suspect,

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Speaker 2: Xavier Rigby.

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Speaker 1: And let me just go out on a limb.

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Speaker 2: And say, raw in hell Rigby. Yes, he's presumed innocent

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Speaker 2: until proven guilty. And I'm going to have a couple

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Speaker 2: of rounds of a veteran trial lawyer named Jacob Lowe

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Speaker 2: in just a moment on this case.

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Speaker 1: But first I.

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Speaker 2: Want to go to a veteran investigative reporter, a four

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Speaker 2: time Emmy Award winning TV anchor and producer, Serena Fazan.

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Speaker 1: Serena, what happened?

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I mean, Nancy, don't you think this

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Speaker 5: was absolutely a failure in the system as well? We

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Speaker 5: lost a beautiful mother. But what was he doing out

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Speaker 5: in the road in the first place? I mean, you

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Speaker 5: saw the disdaining.

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Speaker 1: Larch, Serena. Normally I take a chunk out of somebody

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Speaker 1: that tries.

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Speaker 2: To blame the system instead of blaming the suspect. But

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Speaker 2: this time I agree with you. I mean, do I

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Speaker 2: have the count right? Because I actually think I've missed

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Speaker 2: some nine road related charges in four years. What whack

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Speaker 2: adoodle judge let this guy out?

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Speaker 1: You know what? Hold on, Serena.

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Speaker 2: Fazan with all the facts with me, But I just

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Speaker 2: got to go to Kimberley Cockrell, victim services manager at

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Speaker 2: mad M, a d D Mothers against drunk Driving South

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Speaker 2: Carolina who happened to have lost her best friend to

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Speaker 2: a driver. Kimberly, does it never end because there's plenty

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Speaker 2: of blame to pass around here, But can we just

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Speaker 2: focus on the technical legal term a whole judge that

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Speaker 2: let this guy walk nine road related offenses, including leaving

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Speaker 2: the scene a crash before you know, I hate to

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Speaker 2: even look at him because he's looking at me and like.

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Speaker 1: What what did I do? I know what he did?

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Speaker 1: What does Matt have to say about this?

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Speaker 6: Kimberly, We are absolutely more inside by this man's behavior.

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Speaker 6: This is that it's bad enough that you're drinking and driving,

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Speaker 6: but then to keep driving for miles with the mother

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Speaker 7: That is absolutely vapid.

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Speaker 6: I do not understand how this man to continue on

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Speaker 2: I mean, Cheryl McCollum, who has also worked with mad Now,

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Speaker 2: director of the Cold Case Research Institute and star of

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Speaker 2: a hit podcast, Zone Seven. Cheryl McCollum. He can't say

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Speaker 2: he didn't see her. She's on his wind shill. She's

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Speaker 2: What can he possibly.

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Speaker 1: Say to that?

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Speaker 8: Not only was that sound overwhelming, his car would have

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Speaker 8: This is one of those cases where you just have

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Speaker 8: to say to yourself, he drove with this poor mother

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Speaker 2: Guys, I'm about to go to a veteran trial lawyer

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Speaker 2: whose handel case is very similar to this, But first

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Speaker 2: I want to hear.

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Speaker 1: Want you to hear what happened.

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Speaker 9: Kirs is riding her e bike in the bike lane Gulfport, Florida,

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Speaker 9: ten pm Saturday night. Nissan Ultima approaches from behind at

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Speaker 9: a high rate of speed, slams into Kirsten's bike, knocking

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Speaker 9: continues driving as if there isn't an injured woman on

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Speaker 2: Injured dying would be more appropriate. Guys, joining me right

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Speaker 2: now is a very special guest who I consider to

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Speaker 2: be a friend. It's Lisa Miller, and she lost a

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Speaker 2: person most precious to her, her daughter, Samantha, to a

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Speaker 2: drunk driver. There's Samantha. Is she not absolutely stunning? Do

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Speaker 2: you see her in that wedding dress? I hate even

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Speaker 2: say it. She died in her wedding dress at the

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Speaker 2: hands of a drunk driver, leaving her own wedding reception

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Speaker 2: on a day that is the day parents live for.

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Speaker 1: We live to see our child find the perfect person,

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Speaker 1: and then we know we've done our job.

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Speaker 2: We've hopefully gotten them through school, we've got them established

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Speaker 2: in life, and then they find the life partner that

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Speaker 2: we love too. And it all ended on what would

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Speaker 2: have been the happiest night of Lisa Miller's life.

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Speaker 1: Lisa, I just.

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Speaker 2: The moment I heard about Kirsten, a single mom, dead

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Speaker 2: on this guy's windshield, the first thing I thought about

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Speaker 2: was about you and Samantha. I can't describe the pain

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Speaker 2: this family must be feeling, but you can Lisa, what

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Speaker 2: happened the night that Sam was brutally killed.

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Speaker 1: By a driver.

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Speaker 10: I'll just say that, obviously, nobody will ever understand what

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Speaker 10: families go through when you lose a child or use a.

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Speaker 11: Parent suddenly unexpectedly on the happiest day of their life.

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Speaker 11: I would not say sorry to Ancy that that was

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Speaker 11: the happiest day of my life. It was actually the

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Speaker 11: worst day of my life. And we showed up at

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Speaker 11: I'm gonna just generalize it a little bit. I don't

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Speaker 11: want to get into a lot of it. But we

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Speaker 11: an accident, and we're told by the police that everybody

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Speaker 11: obviously I went to the hospital. My daughter drove me

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Speaker 11: the golf cart was a John or Jane Doe, because

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Speaker 11: nobody had their ID with them. Obviously, they're just leaving

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Speaker 11: the wedding going to the airbnb. So we're looking through

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Speaker 11: the hallways and still to this day, going in a

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Speaker 11: it looking for Sam. Looking for Sam. We're outside waiting.

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Speaker 11: We're back inside walking around just looking for me and

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Speaker 11: go outside again. It's late now. The accident happened at ten,

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Speaker 11: it's probably one in the morning at this point, and

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Speaker 11: we're still waiting to find my daughter, and I was

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Speaker 1: Little did I know.

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Speaker 11: This is the hardest part is while we're outside waiting,

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Speaker 11: her dad called, who stayed at the scene, and he said,

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Speaker 11: Sam's not at the hospital. He said, she's here. I

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Speaker 1: She's dead.

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Speaker 11: And you can't even imagine that moment. I fell to

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Speaker 11: What I was doing, obviously, and so she took me home,

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Speaker 11: was kind of blurry after that, but yeah, and I

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Speaker 11: found out later on that Sam made Eric which places

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Speaker 12: That pretty much killed me. But it's a pain that

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Speaker 12: lucky that I've managed to connect with some other mothers

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Speaker 11: Chat and we have a zoom meeting. We all support

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Speaker 11: each other. And I'm also doing re coaching classes. So

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Speaker 11: I'm looking forward to doing what Sam would want me

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Speaker 2: Lisa, first of all, I feel so guilty about asking

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Speaker 2: hurtful to relive it. But I don't think others understand

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Speaker 2: ve hicular homicide, joint driving deaths are not accidents, and

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Speaker 2: they are preventable. And for the judge and the current case,

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Speaker 2: Lisa let this guy out wandering free driving after it

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Speaker 1: Gone in and out and in and out, and find

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Speaker 2: Then when they were a felony, not a misdemeanor, do

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Speaker 2: crying because nothing can fix it. There's no fix for this.

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Speaker 2: And it's hard to explain why a duhy is so

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Speaker 2: important for us to focus on Lisa.

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Speaker 11: I know, and it's amazing. It's amazing the amount of

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Speaker 11: people that I have met that have lost family members

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Speaker 11: to DUIs. And these people be they don't get any time,

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Speaker 11: or they get a year, or they get a you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've heard so many maybe like in this case,

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Speaker 2: the judge just lets them go. Trust me, Xavi or

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Speaker 2: Rigby is not a former police officer.

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Speaker 1: There was just a slack judge that didn't care. They

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Speaker 1: just let him walk.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the answer, but I do know that

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Speaker 2: letting a person with this many road incidents.

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Speaker 1: Just walk that that's not okay. Oh oh, guys, I

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Speaker 1: want you.

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Speaker 2: To hear the perp that mowed down Samantha whining on

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Speaker 2: the phone.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 13: I know, honey, we know, honey, freaking road and this

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Speaker 13: couldn't happen to anyone, Like why me?

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Speaker 6: Why me?

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Speaker 11: I don't understand, like this could have happened to so.

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Speaker 1: Many other people?

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Speaker 2: Is she crazy? You are hearing the perp on the phone.

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Speaker 2: Thats Jamie Lee Komarowski whining about how did this happen

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Speaker 2: to me? Why can't it happen to somebody else?

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Speaker 1: Nothing happened to her.

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Speaker 2: She drove drunk and she killed Samantha and left the

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Speaker 2: fiance in a pile of bones. He's still having to

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Speaker 2: have reconstructive surgeries. He barely lived. Did you hear this, doctor,

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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall? What is wrong with du Why?

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Speaker 1: Killers? I don't get it. It's like, why did this

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Speaker 1: Put her up, Bethany. Do you you think I care?

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Speaker 2: Do you think it matters to me that the drunk

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Speaker 1: They don't care because they're drunk.

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Speaker 2: They don't care because they're drost to doctor Bethanie as

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Speaker 2: I was just speaking to Lisa Miller about how judges

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Speaker 9: Rigby has an extensive criminal record, a previous hit and

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Let me go to Joseph Low.

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Speaker 2: He's a veteran trial lawyer who practices in La Never

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Speaker 1: He had to watch a video that was his punishment.

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Speaker 15: What I heard even more is the absolute broken heart

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Speaker 4: That is so hard to listen to you.

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Speaker 15: And I'm gonna be honest, I brought tears in mind

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Speaker 15: And that's the whole part about the alcohol involved here.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate everything you just said, but this must be

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Speaker 1: The door and you know he's going to do it again.

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Speaker 1: How do you how do you bring yourself to stay quiet?

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Speaker 15: I personally would not, and I've had similar cases, not

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Speaker 4: But I've said before this person is.

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Speaker 15: Going to need more than that, because otherwise they're going

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Speaker 15: I've taken a solemn oath to make sure I'm helping,

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Speaker 4: He says, this is what they're going to need.

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Speaker 15: I have gone to the judge before and say, look,

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Speaker 15: That's what's supposed to happen from the defense side as well.

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Speaker 4: So you're right, there's no answer to your question.

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Speaker 15: That's going to be inflammentory than oh, what's the big deal.

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Speaker 15: That's what's supposed to happen. And you know what, as well,

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Speaker 1: Enough crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Thoseph Low veteran trial lawyer, You're absolutely correct. Sadly, that

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Speaker 9: The perp driving in and out of traffic for eight

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Speaker 3: Unbeknownst to her, a reckless man was about to make

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Speaker 2: Straight back out toward winning TV anchor investigative reporter Serena

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Speaker 2: fash Serena, where exactly did this happen? So?

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Speaker 5: It happening in an area called Gulfport in Nancy. It's

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Speaker 1: This is what happened when responders get to the scene.

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Speaker 9: First responders arrive on the scene, but it's too late.

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Speaker 9: Kirsten has pronounced deceased on the scene. The driver of

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Speaker 9: the Nissan Ultima is no stranger to traffic offenses. Xavier

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Speaker 9: Rigby has multiple offenses and knows his duty to stop

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Speaker 1: Let's analyze what we've just learned.

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Speaker 2: We learn that the suspect is a mile away already

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Speaker 1: At a liquor store.

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Speaker 2: Kirsten just fell off his windshield where he left her

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Speaker 1: What about it?

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Speaker 8: He care more about getting more booze than her life.

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Speaker 8: He was mission focused. He didn't see her, He didn't

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Speaker 1: To a liquor store.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm very curious on your reaction, Cheryl McCollum

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Speaker 1: The case down?

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Speaker 2: In that case, he was driving on the wrong side

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Speaker 2: So he's driving drunk down the wrong side of the

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Speaker 2: That means those victims they can't even go anywhere the

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Speaker 2: So it's death to them no matter what they do.

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Speaker 2: Wrong side of the road, divided highway, open container. It

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 8: His prior offenses started four years ago when.

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Speaker 11: He was eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Statistically by the time they're caught one time.

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Speaker 6: When you're driving down the road at one o'clock in

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Speaker 7: That should terrify you.

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Speaker 6: We have so many human beings that are losing their lives,

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Speaker 2: Straight back out to veteran trial lawyer out of the

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Speaker 1: Joseph low is with us Low.

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Speaker 2: In preparation for tonight, I cross examined a colleague whose

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Speaker 2: It plued down to reckless driving, which is basically a citation.

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Speaker 2: And he was so proud, he was so oh proud.

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Speaker 2: And I knew that you and I were discussing this tonight.

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Speaker 1: Along with it. What do you make of this case?

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Speaker 2: You've got fleeing the scene hit and run, leaving the

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Speaker 2: young mom on the side of the road.

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Speaker 1: We know she was already dead, but he didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: Just leaving there, leaving her there so he can get

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Speaker 2: to the liquor store.

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Speaker 15: Low, Well, clearly the defense lawyer is going to have

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Speaker 15: their work cutout for him.

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Speaker 4: But let me play the role for a minute.

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Speaker 15: If I had this case and I wanted to win it,

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Speaker 15: I had to win it. It was the right thing

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Speaker 15: to do, because I'm supposed to sell USA fight for

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Speaker 15: my clients.

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Speaker 4: Right, So here's what I'd say. I'd say to the judge, Judge, all.

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Speaker 15: Those things you just heard that you hit her that hard,

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Speaker 15: going that fast, being that drunk, and drove her that

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Speaker 15: far eight blocks or more still at the same spat,

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Speaker 15: and then ends up in a liquor store.

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Speaker 4: Clearly, clearly, this man.

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Speaker 15: Is so addicted to alcohol that he hasn't the ability

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Speaker 15: to even be a functioning civilianist citizen, which is why

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Speaker 15: we're so angry at him, and the reason if we

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Speaker 15: stay angry at him, that he's gonna go to prison.

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Speaker 4: In this case, he's gonna go to prison if you're

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Speaker 4: looking at the charges.

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Speaker 15: But if he comes out, which he will, and he'll

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Speaker 15: probably be somewhere on thirty five, maybe forty, he's gonna

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Speaker 15: be even worse, and he's gonna be back on the streets,

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Speaker 15: and we're gonna see this again, and to some other

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Speaker 15: judge is gonna get the same problem.

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Speaker 4: So, judge, what I.

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Speaker 15: Want you to do is not put him in the

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Speaker 15: human warehouse for fourteen fifteen years and make it worse.

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Speaker 15: Let's get him the treatment he needs that gives him

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Speaker 15: the best chance he possibly has to be able to

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Speaker 15: be a functioning member of society and address the real issue,

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Speaker 15: which is the alcoholism.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty much where the defense is gonna go.

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Speaker 15: And that's why if it works, it works is because

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Speaker 15: a lot of times they'll buy off on that. It's

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Speaker 15: the substance abuse angle probably where they're gonna go.

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Speaker 2: Okay, have you ever seen a snake charmer, maybe on

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Speaker 2: National Geographic or something like that, where the snakes doing

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Speaker 2: like that, and the snake charmer's doing like that and

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Speaker 2: they have this symbiotic thing going on.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 2: Thank God, I know better than to believe anything you

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Speaker 2: just said, because it was very, very.

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Speaker 1: Compelling, And now I know how you meant when.

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Speaker 2: So many cases you look at the judge just like

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Speaker 2: you look at that camera, and you go off on

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Speaker 2: a roll and it all makes sense and then it's

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Speaker 2: all over and the judges let the guy walk out

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Speaker 2: of the courthouse with the reckless driving.

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Speaker 1: That's how you do it. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: I want to go back to this getting sentenced to

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Speaker 2: watching an online Mothers against drunk Driving video. That is

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Speaker 2: his sentence straight out to doctor Bethany Marsh joining US

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Speaker 2: psychoanalyst out of the LA Jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker.

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Speaker 2: You can see her now on Peacock and you can

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Speaker 2: find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com Doctor Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 2: I know better than to ask Joseph Lowe this question

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Speaker 2: because somehow he'll worm out of it. But the law is,

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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany, that voluntary use of drugs or alcohol is

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Speaker 2: never a defense.

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Speaker 1: What he was.

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Speaker 2: Talking about is mitigation. When the guys play guilty, it's

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Speaker 2: not a fact finding mission anymore. It's about getting a

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Speaker 2: light sentence. Drugs and alcohol not a defense in the

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Speaker 2: guilt innocents phase. So one thing I want to understand

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Speaker 2: is what he just said, which is right.

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Speaker 1: How the guy is straight back up at the liquor store.

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Speaker 14: You know, Nancy, He has an addiction, a compulsion, and

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Speaker 14: the one of the very essential features of an addiction

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Speaker 14: is lack of insight into the harm it will cause

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Speaker 14: other people. So if this guy does not have consequences,

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Speaker 14: he will just go right back out and use. He

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Speaker 14: needs to be behind bars, not only for society because

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Speaker 14: he needs to get the fumes out.

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Speaker 1: He needs to be.

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Speaker 14: Behind bars for fourteen fifteen years so that he can

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Speaker 14: be sober if he can be sober behind bars. You know,

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Speaker 14: the things if with addiction, Nancy is that it never

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Speaker 14: goes away. Somebody can be addicted drinking.

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Speaker 2: Bethany, a veteran now lawyer, was a motorman in APD forever.

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Speaker 2: That's how I knew him and come in as a witness,

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Speaker 2: and he would not drink a drop and explained to

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Speaker 2: me that his father was what he called a dry drunk.

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Speaker 1: And that kind of.

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Speaker 2: Goes back to what trial lawyer Joseph Lowe was saying.

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Speaker 2: They get dried out in jail, but I don't know

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Speaker 2: that that cures it. What is a dry drunk, which

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Speaker 2: this gual certainly is not.

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Speaker 16: Well.

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Speaker 14: You know a lot of addicts have what we call

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Speaker 14: dual diagnosis, which is there is a comorbidity with another

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Speaker 14: psychiatric illness, like my polar schizophrenia personality disorder. So the

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Speaker 14: dry drunk maybe they're not drinking, but they still have

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Speaker 14: all the other issues associated with addiction. I think of

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Speaker 14: it like if you're driving down the road and there's

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Speaker 14: a big pothole and you hit it, somebody's going to

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Speaker 14: happen to your tires.

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Speaker 1: But what if there's.

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Speaker 14: A little thin shield over the pothole, and you still

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Speaker 14: drive down that road. You're still You're still going to

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Speaker 14: have damage to your vehicle. So sobriety is like that

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Speaker 14: little thin shield and may cover up the addiction, but

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Speaker 14: the pothole is still there. Addiction is chronic throughout the lifespan.

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Speaker 14: The only cure is to not drink, which is why

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Speaker 14: this guy needs to be behind bar.

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Speaker 9: The devoted mom to a young son, Kirsten Social media

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Speaker 9: is covered with family photos, but almost every photo includes

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Speaker 9: her son. One of Kirsten's last posts on Facebook was

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Speaker 9: written directly to her son, saying, as long as I'm living,

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Speaker 9: my baby, You'll be loved and I'll love you forever.

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Speaker 9: Kirsten's friend, describing her as an angel, have set up

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Speaker 9: a GoFundMe to provide help with funeral expenses, with proceeds

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Speaker 9: turned over to Kirsten's mother, Elaine, who will now be

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Speaker 9: standing in the gap caring for her grandson.

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Speaker 3: In a cruel twist of feet, straying across paths with

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Speaker 3: Xavier Rigby, a notorious repeat traffic offender, Rigby spent the

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Speaker 3: night drowning in alcohol, setting off a chain of reckless decisions.

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Speaker 6: Here you are with a prior leaving a scene from

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty two, then in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 7: This date is generous.

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Speaker 5: Enough to reduce your dui to a reckless.

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Speaker 7: Her purpose is a vond, it's a dui.

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Speaker 4: So then here we are.

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Speaker 5: Now we've now gone to a second d UI, but

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Speaker 5: this time the.

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Speaker 6: Extremely aggravating facts where.

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Speaker 7: You've killed somebody, left to see him and drag their body.

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Speaker 12: And I don't need to need to go any further

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Speaker 12: for how aggravating stifacts are.

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Speaker 2: From our friends at w FLA joining me now is

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Speaker 2: an esteemed medical examiner, doctor Kendall Crowns, the chief medical

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Speaker 2: Examiner Terrance County, that's Fort Worth. He is the star

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Speaker 2: of a hit new podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue, which,

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Speaker 2: by the way, I've listened to on loop. Doctor Kendall Crowns.

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Speaker 2: He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine,

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Speaker 2: and that is at TCU. Doctor Kendall Crowns, let me

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Speaker 2: ask you. We know that this single mom, sole caregiver

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Speaker 2: to her little boy, is riding her e bike when

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Speaker 2: she is hit at about sixty five miles an hour.

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Speaker 2: She is thrown onto the windshield and when first responders

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Speaker 2: get there, she's dead. But is it possible, doctor Kendall Crowns,

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Speaker 2: that she lived long enough to know she was dying.

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Speaker 16: Oh, yes, it's a possibility. From what I've read. The

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Speaker 16: car struck her from behind, so potentially her back gets

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Speaker 16: hit by the car, pelvic region gets shattered. She flips

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Speaker 16: backward onto the windshield, crushing the windshield. That would possibly

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Speaker 16: break ribs, break her thoracic spine, or make her a paraplegic,

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Speaker 16: but not necessarily compromise her head if she had a

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Speaker 16: helmet on, especially or break her neck. So she's now

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Speaker 16: wedged in the window, broken glass penetrating her skin. She

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Speaker 16: would have rib fractures. She would be bleeding internally as

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Speaker 16: well as externally, but not necessarily be immediately. She probably

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Speaker 16: had several minutes of survivability where she was sitting in

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Speaker 16: that window on the hood of that car, bleeding out.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, Have you ever undergone surgery and they

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Speaker 2: put you under anesthesia?

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Speaker 1: Yes, me too.

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Speaker 2: And the last thing I'm thinking is I hear them

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Speaker 2: saying count backwards, and I start counting backwards, and then

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Speaker 2: I quit counting, and pray, Lord, let me live through

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Speaker 2: this surgery so I can raise the twins.

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Speaker 1: They are my last thought. I wonder if she could

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Speaker 1: think about.

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Speaker 2: Her baby boy, or if she was in so much pain,

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Speaker 2: or was she knocked out when she was first hit

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Speaker 2: when she flew through the air and crashed into his windshield.

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Speaker 1: But people have recounted their last.

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Speaker 2: Memories before they died and they were brought back resuscitated.

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Speaker 2: I've had witnesses tell me their last memories, and they

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Speaker 2: were almost always of their children.

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Speaker 16: It's possible that would be her last memory, but she conscious.

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Speaker 16: It's debatable if she hit her head or not. But

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Speaker 16: if she is conscious, it is a possibility because if

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Speaker 16: her head's not compromised, she would still possibly be able

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Speaker 16: to think and feel. And who knows where he last

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Speaker 16: memories will be. But I agree with you, most people's

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Speaker 16: last memories that have children are thinking about their children

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Speaker 16: and what will happen to them before they go unconscious.

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Speaker 2: Joining me a fellow warrior in the trenches, Cheryl McCollum

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Speaker 2: and I started fighting crime together many years ago. We

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Speaker 2: met fighting domestic violence. Cheryl McCollum, now star of a

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Speaker 2: hit podcast, Zone Seven. Cheryl, I've had victims tell me

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Speaker 2: so many different variations of what happened to them.

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Speaker 1: It's almost always who's going to take care of my children?

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Speaker 1: That's their last thought.

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Speaker 2: Forget their pain, forget what they've been through. That's what

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Speaker 2: they're thinking. They're not thinking I'm dying. They're thinking about

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Speaker 2: their child.

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Speaker 8: See, there's no doubt in my mind that every single

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Speaker 8: thing she did from the moment that they got here

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Speaker 8: was for him, about him, because of him. There's no question.

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Speaker 8: And you know, I think people when they say, well,

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Speaker 8: I mean it's just drunk driving, we get what if

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Speaker 8: the video. Drunk driving is the same as shooting a

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Speaker 8: gun and a crowd of people. You may or may

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Speaker 8: not hit anybody, You may or may not kill anybody,

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Speaker 8: but you take the risk every single time you do it,

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Speaker 8: and you don't.

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Speaker 1: Care who it hit.

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Speaker 8: You don't care who it kills. That's the roost you take.

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Speaker 8: And what this person took from this little boy, he

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Speaker 8: deserves to spend the rest of their life in jail.

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Speaker 2: A drunk driver who continues to drive up to a

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Speaker 2: mile with the dead victim on the windshield. Believe it

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Speaker 2: or not, this say is not the first time it's happened.

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Speaker 17: Chante Mallard drives home, a route she has taken many times,

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Speaker 17: but this night she strikes Gregory Glenn Biggs, who's walking

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Speaker 17: along the highway. His body is propelled partially through the windshield,

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Speaker 17: but Biggs does not die on impact. Instead of pulling

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Speaker 17: over and calling police, Mallard stops and tries to pull

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Speaker 17: the moaning man off her car. When she can't dislodge

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Speaker 17: the seriously wounded and bleeding man from her windshield, Mallard

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Speaker 17: drives home, parks in the garage, and leaves Biggs there

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Speaker 17: for hours to die.

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Speaker 18: When she was a very loud lord Tansless start flying

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Speaker 18: in the car, a lot of wind, and the glass

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Speaker 18: was just it was just cutting in my skin.

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Speaker 4: It was just sinking me.

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Speaker 1: Boo, who chante?

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Speaker 2: Mallard ran a guy down and she's whining that the

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Speaker 2: glass on her windshield cut her skin.

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Speaker 1: He's dead woman. And then of course there's Stacy Sanchez.

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Speaker 9: Around six twenty am, Jack Tendelson on his way to

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Speaker 9: brother Beino's soup kitchen, the homeless man on the sidewalk

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Speaker 9: when Stacy Sanchez, on her way home from a night

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Speaker 9: of partying, hits Tendlson with such force his body smashes

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Speaker 9: through the windshield, landing in the front passenger seat. The

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Speaker 9: bottom part of one of his legs is severed on impact,

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Speaker 9: later recovered at the back of the car near the

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Speaker 9: rear window.

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Speaker 1: Then there's Nestra Flores, a woman in the drive through

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Speaker 1: at Jack in the Box.

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Speaker 9: Eleven PM calls nine to one one for a welfare

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Speaker 9: check on a man slumped over the wheel of his car.

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Speaker 9: The driver, thirty one year old Nestra Flores, smells like

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Speaker 9: a brewery, says he had a deer inside. Police find

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Speaker 9: a dead human in the passenger seat. The next morning,

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Speaker 9: partial human remains are found in Dallas that matched the

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Speaker 9: remains in Flora's car. The impact is so severe the

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Speaker 9: victim's body thrown through the windshield and came to rest

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Speaker 9: on the passenger seat, and Flores drove thirty eight miles

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Speaker 9: before stopping. Flores has two other driving around intoxicated charges

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Speaker 9: in the last five years.

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Speaker 2: Joseph Lowe, I'm sure you're trying to hide right now,

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Speaker 2: and hope I don't come to you. This guy, Flores

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Speaker 2: had half the victim's body in his car, the other

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Speaker 2: half the passenger seat right beside him. Yes, him, Flores

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Speaker 2: and the other half of the victim was thirty eight

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Speaker 2: miles away, and he didn't know what he said, He

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Speaker 2: didn't know what happened. Who does he think was in

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Speaker 2: the passenger seat right beside him? Just like in this case,

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Speaker 2: what did Rigby think? Why did he think he needed

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Speaker 2: to go to the liquor store with his windshield cracked

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Speaker 2: wide open?

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Speaker 4: Apparently he thought.

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Speaker 15: It was Bambi, And I guess I'm so mutilated he

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Speaker 15: couldn't tell what it was or who it was, which

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Speaker 15: again gives you an idea either how fast he was

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Speaker 15: going or how drunk he really was. I'm going to

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Speaker 15: guess I didn't go so well for him the court

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Speaker 15: to be that unaware and that that ridiculous. But that's

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Speaker 15: what would I have to say? What happened there?

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Speaker 2: And that's where you would argue the addiction aspect, or

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Speaker 2: as you said, angle, I heard that the addiction angle

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Speaker 2: uh to Serena Fazan joining us, Where does the case

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Speaker 2: stand right now? And where is the little boy?

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Speaker 5: The little boy is now with his grandmother, so at

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Speaker 5: least you know he's in the carrying arms of someone

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Speaker 5: who deeply loves him.

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Speaker 1: And what about Rigby, Well, that we.

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Speaker 5: Haven't even talked about this. He was falling asleep in

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Speaker 5: the courtroom. The judge had to reprimand him because he

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Speaker 5: was literally falling asleep in the courtroom.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you.

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Speaker 7: Guys saw that.

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Speaker 5: He's not even paying attention to anything, so at least

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Speaker 5: he is behind bars. And Nancy, I know we've talked

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Speaker 5: about this, but this is just a system.

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Speaker 7: Wide failure as well.

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Speaker 5: And I know we've talked to Attorney Lowe about this,

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Speaker 5: but there's clearly a moral breakdown with this gentleman. I

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Speaker 5: don't believe there is rehabilitation in this case.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Serena Fason, As correct as you may be,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to leave his moral breakdown to be ferreted

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Speaker 2: out between him and the lord. I'm concerned about his

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Speaker 2: jount rear end going to jail and staying there this time.

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Speaker 1: But Serena Fason, I'm so glad you brought that up.

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Speaker 1: We're showing a video from our friends at Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 2: He's not worried about Kirsten, he's not worried about her baby.

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Speaker 1: He's asleep.

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Speaker 2: He's so unconcerned about what's happening. He's actually falling asleep

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Speaker 2: standing up thank you Serena Faisan And on that note,

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Speaker 2: I will ask if you know or think you know

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Speaker 2: anything about this case, please dial seven two seven five

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Speaker 2: eight zero sixty two hundred seven two seven five eight

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Speaker 2: to sixty two hundred. All we can do now is

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Speaker 2: seek justice for Kirsten's son. We remember an American hero,

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Speaker 2: Deputy Sheriff Sidney Carter, killed an a line of duty,

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Speaker 2: survived by her parents. Grieving parents Annette and Jerry.

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Speaker 1: American hero Sheriff Sidney Carter.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend, assass