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Speaker 2: Good morning everyone, Welcome to Breaking Points. We have obviously

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Speaker 2: a lot to cover this morning, and very fortunate to

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Speaker 2: be joined by doctor tree To Parsi of the Quincy

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Speaker 2: Institute for Responsible state Craft here from the start to

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Speaker 2: break down what is happening with us, with Israel and

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Speaker 2: with Iran. Of course, this comes on the heels of

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Speaker 2: the Israelis launching an a legal, unprovoked, aggressive attack on Iran.

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Speaker 2: Iran now promising retaliation. We have some updates from President

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Speaker 2: Trump last night, Doctor Parsi. Before I get you in,

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Speaker 2: let me just go ahead and put this up on

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Speaker 2: the screen. In terms of the statement that he put out,

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Speaker 2: he says, I gave Iran a chance after chance to

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Speaker 2: to just do it. But no matter how hard they tried,

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Speaker 2: no matter how close they got, they just couldn't get

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Speaker 2: it done. I told them it would be much worse

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Speaker 2: than anything they know anticipated or were told. That the

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Speaker 2: US would make the best and most lethal military equipment

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Speaker 2: anywhere in the world by far, and that Israel has

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Speaker 2: a lot of it with much more to come. They

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Speaker 2: know how to use it. Certain Iranian hardliners spoke bravely,

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Speaker 2: but they didn't know what was about to happen. They

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Speaker 2: are all dead now and it will only get worse.

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Speaker 2: There has already been great death and destruction, but there

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Speaker 2: is still time to make the slaughter. With the next

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Speaker 2: already planned attacks being even more brutal come to an end,

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Speaker 2: Aron must make a deal before there is nothing left

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Speaker 2: and save what was once known as the Iranian Empire.

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Speaker 2: No more death, no more destruction. Just do it before

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Speaker 2: it is too late. God blessed you also, doctor Parci

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Speaker 2: with that. If I can just get your reaction off

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Speaker 2: the top here of what Israel has done and what

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Speaker 2: we know about US involvement.

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Speaker 3: So what the Israelis have done is to follow the

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Speaker 3: same playbook as they did in Lebanon, which is that

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Speaker 3: they went after the chain of command and the heads

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Speaker 3: essentially paralyze Hezbo law and disable it from being able

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Speaker 3: all out and just destroyed as much as they could.

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Speaker 3: They did the same thing in Syria as well. Once

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Speaker 3: the Assauld government was gone. That's when these Radis really

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Speaker 3: started bombing the country to eliminate whatever military capabilities it

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Speaker 3: That seems to be the same strategy the Iranian seems

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Speaker 3: to have complete and miscalculated, thinking that any strike would

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Speaker 4: But I think also there's something very important here to mention.

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Speaker 3: We've seen that they've been targeting apartment buildings similar to

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Speaker 3: They're doing it in their homes when they're asleep, together

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Speaker 3: And I think again the Iranians may have underestimated how

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Speaker 2: I think that's such an important point, not only of course,

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Speaker 2: if our own military officers were assassinated in their homes. Certainly,

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Speaker 2: if Israeli political leadership or military officers were assassinated in

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Speaker 2: assassinations terror. And yet This is just par for the

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Speaker 2: And I think it's exactly that impunity and that diplomatic

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Speaker 2: this point, so they say that top Iranians were assassinated.

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Speaker 2: highest commander after the supring leader, was killed. Ali Shamkani,

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Speaker 2: also killed. Mister Kamani moved quickly to a point replacements,

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Speaker 2: aiming to avoid the appearance of leadership vacuum. In addition,

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Speaker 2: in targeting the Natan's nuclear site, Israel struck at the

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Speaker 2: beating heart of the Iranian nuclear program, they say. The

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Speaker 3: So, for instance, one of the people that they assassinated

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Speaker 4: His wife and child was also killed when they targeted

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Speaker 3: Unclear whether there were other people in other apartments in

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Speaker 3: the Ivanian response, no condemnation whatsoever, what these Raelis have

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Speaker 3: and there is no legality for that, and the Europeans

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Speaker 3: fully understand this. Nevertheless, they come out and call this

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Speaker 3: self defense. So it's the same playbook that we also

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Speaker 3: Now what this does to the program, First of all,

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Speaker 3: when these Raelies have already assassinated quite a few Ivanian scientists,

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Speaker 3: had a dramatic change in the direction of the programming.

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Speaker 3: Has actually accelerated the program, but it has not taken

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Speaker 4: In the case of.

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Speaker 3: Very important ultimately, of course, but the numbers I don't

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Speaker 3: same numbers that you saw on has bullet case, which

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Speaker 2: President Trump has seemed to indicate in the true social

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Speaker 2: a deal that seems insane to me. You know, I

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Speaker 2: in any case, what do you make of that rationale

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Speaker 3: So this is the argument these Raelis have been making too,

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Speaker 3: from saying either you or US or together in this case,

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Speaker 3: I think it was together attack that will soften the

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Speaker 3: in this case, begging for capitulation. Essentially, this is also

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Speaker 3: see exactly what you just mentioned. It will be an escalation,

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Speaker 2: To your point, I mean, this was a post from

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Speaker 4: It seems like the Vinyance nevertheless, had very little readiness.

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Speaker 3: I think there has been a real struggle and in

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Speaker 2: So what do you think happens now, What is the

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Speaker 3: So first, it remains to be seen whether the Vonians

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Speaker 4: That may change and it may not change, and that's

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Speaker 3: The other element, of course, is what happens on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: But again, in order even if capitulation was in the cars,

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Speaker 2: Lastly, doctor Parson, and then I'll let you go, because

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Speaker 3: Well, these Radis are going to continue to do that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I saw Macron putting out some terrible statement

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Speaker 2: So not hopeful science there. Ryan. We just have to

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Speaker 5: He's got to get to okay, just real quickly? Then, Like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I mean there's part of what you say

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Speaker 4: He's stable. At any moment.

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Speaker 3: Trump can still change his mind because it's all about Trump.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Treda, Doctor Parci, thank you so much to see you.

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Speaker 2: So Ryan. It sounds like doctor Parci is saying basically

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Speaker 4: And yet you have you.

439
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Speaker 2: Know, Trump decides he's going to get out of it

440
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Speaker 2: just because Obama did it, and so he has to

441
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Speaker 2: do the opposite. And his administration, first administration stacked with

442
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Speaker 2: a bunch of news. I mean, there's no dissenting voices

443
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Speaker 2: from that in his first administration. Then you have the

444
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Speaker 2: Biden administration come in. They should have gotten back in

445
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: the deal immediately, and that opening was there, and I

446
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 2: remember doing you know, multiple segments with doctor Parci talking

447
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 2: about this and the time is now and you yeah,

448
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,959
Speaker 2: and there's going to be elections and a more hardline

449
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Speaker 2: administration is it's going to be more difficult to do.

450
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Speaker 2: And then of course once you have October seventh, like

451
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Speaker 2: that is dead and gone.

452
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Speaker 5: Because you have two and a half years into the

453
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Speaker 5: almost exactly.

454
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Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, and so now here we are. So you

455
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Speaker 2: know what I mean, what is your sense of what

456
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Speaker 2: unfold is here? Because it seems like the two pieces

457
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: were they, oh, you're getting back in Obama's nuclear deal

458
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 2: number one and number two. It looks like the Israelis

459
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: maybe convinced Trump that this illegal attack would somehow create

460
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Speaker 2: an opportunity for diplomacy in the same way that he

461
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: thought the you know, maximum pressure, like let's just like

462
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Speaker 2: crush them economically as much as possible in the first administration,

463
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Speaker 2: like that would create some possibility that was a failure

464
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Speaker 2: and this is clearly going to be a failure too.

465
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Speaker 6: Right.

466
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Speaker 5: And on the one hand, it almost doesn't matter like

467
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Speaker 5: what rationale Nenyawho was able to use to get him

468
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Speaker 5: to go along with it. It was whatever the argument was,

469
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Speaker 5: it worked and it appelled forward the logic of American empire,

470
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Speaker 5: and which is to just understand everything in terms of violence.

471
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Speaker 5: But it does seem as a matter of historical significance

472
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Speaker 5: that that may be possible. So and I talked about

473
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Speaker 5: this on the livestream last night that I had spoken

474
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Speaker 5: with an Iranian analyst who was like, our assessment here

475
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Speaker 5: is that somehow who convinced Trump that doing this will

476
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Speaker 5: actually make a deal more likely and better for the US.

477
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Speaker 5: And then it gets out of that called a sack

478
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Speaker 5: that Treeta Parsi talked about. You know, now he can

479
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Speaker 5: say he did a better deal. This is not the

480
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Speaker 5: Obama deal. How could it be the Obama deal? He

481
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Speaker 5: just dropped a bunch of bombs where Israel did with

482
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Speaker 5: his green light. And I thought that that was a

483
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Speaker 5: bit of a far fetched analysis when I first heard it.

484
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Speaker 5: But then Rubio's statement which came out saying we were

485
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Speaker 5: not you know, we're saying we're not involved in this

486
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Speaker 5: at all, do not attack us, seem to be trying

487
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Speaker 5: to leave some room open to like continued talks with Iran.

488
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Speaker 5: And then Trump's very explicitly says, all right, we hit you,

489
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Speaker 5: or Israel hit you with our weapons. All the people

490
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Speaker 5: I was dealing with are dead, all caps dead, but

491
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Speaker 5: now you can make a deal and save the rest

492
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Speaker 5: of you from not being dead. So it it does

493
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Speaker 5: seem like Trump believes that this was a step towards

494
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Speaker 5: a better deal, which is.

495
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Speaker 7: Very is interesting. It's demented like it's.

496
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Speaker 5: It does it does not, It does not understand uh

497
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Speaker 5: the Iranian uh kind of government and how you know,

498
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Speaker 5: how it's positioned like it doesn't. It didn't read the

499
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Speaker 5: you know, his own intelligence assessments, which have always said

500
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Speaker 5: Iran is not interested and is opposed, like Ron's leadership

501
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Speaker 5: is opposed to pursuing a nuclear weapon for the variety

502
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Speaker 5: of reasons. Here are the reasons. The only way they

503
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Speaker 5: would try to pursue a weapon is if their civilian

504
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Speaker 5: nuclear operations are targeted, then we believe then we assess

505
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Speaker 5: this is the US intelligence, Then we assess that they

506
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Speaker 5: would pursue a nuclear weapon. So according to that, I

507
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 5: don't know what's right or not. They were wrong on

508
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 5: WMD's maybe they're wrong on this, But according to that,

509
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 5: Iran now will be trying to pursue a nuclear weapon

510
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 5: and the US can just buy, wouldn't they yours?

511
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Speaker 2: They would be in a much better position if they

512
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Speaker 2: had pursued a nuclear weapon instead of getting in the

513
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Speaker 2: deal originally with Obama. I mean, that's the cold, hard

514
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Speaker 2: facts of the matter. That's the incentive structure that the

515
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Speaker 2: US Empire has set up, whether it's a run around

516
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Speaker 2: the world. I mean, quite frankly, given Israel's genocidal fervor

517
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: and aggressive illegal actions not only in Iran but throughout

518
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Speaker 2: the entire region, feel more comfortable with Iran having a

519
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 2: new clear weapon then with Israel. I've mean, yeah, they

520
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: completely unhinged. I would love for you to talk more

521
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: about that because you guys cover this so closely at

522
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: drop site too. I know there's a siege that was

523
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 2: implemented now in the West Bank. I don't know if

524
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 2: Gaza communications are still cut off, but uh, Israel's really

525
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: they're really going for it right now. You know, they're

526
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Speaker 2: really going for final solution with regard to I don't

527
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Speaker 2: thinky even just think just Gaza, with all Palestinians. They're

528
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 2: going for greater Israel in terms of acquiring territory of

529
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Speaker 2: their neighbors. That the you know, hardcore fringe, formerly fringe

530
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: elements now mainstream elements, have long coveted and because of

531
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Speaker 2: every American administration allowing them to act with utter and

532
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 2: complete impunity, they've launched this wildly escalatory, reckless attack on Iran.

533
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Speaker 2: And I mean it's it's not a question whether we

534
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Speaker 2: get drawn in, Like we know, if Iran seeks to retaliate,

535
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: which they've already promised to do, we are going to

536
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: be there defending Israel. And Iran has also said that

537
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: they're going to directly retaliate against our service members who

538
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Speaker 2: are located throughout the region.

539
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's this short.

540
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Speaker 5: Term thinking that they're just one more series of assassinations

541
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Speaker 5: is needed and then yeah, peace and justice will be

542
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 5: on the other side of that, right, And if you

543
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 5: truly believe that and a type of piece that is domination,

544
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Speaker 5: not we're not talking co existence here like the way

545
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Speaker 5: that you know, you have in say South America for

546
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 5: the you know, for the most part, those you know,

547
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 5: little skirmishes here and there, but most part South American

548
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 5: countries are not lobbing missiles at each other and invading

549
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Speaker 5: each other constantly and bombing each other.

550
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Speaker 7: That's that's coexistence.

551
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Speaker 5: Israel believes that kind of a piece through domination, you know,

552
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Speaker 5: what they call the piece through piece between the lines

553
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 5: and in the lamb, that piece that that piece is

554
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 5: just on the other side of this assassination, and then

555
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 5: the next assassination and the next one and the next one.

556
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 5: Which then if that logic, if you if you buy

557
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 5: that logic of killing a few children in the apartment

558
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Speaker 5: along with the myer GC general or the know, the

559
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Speaker 5: deputy chief of staff or the nuclear scientists or whoever

560
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Speaker 5: you have just killed. If you kill a few children,

561
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Speaker 5: you know, that's so that's an acceptable cost because on

562
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Speaker 5: the other side is this is heavenly like peace and

563
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 5: world of peace and justice through domination. But from their perspective,

564
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 5: And then you know, if you bomb an entire city

565
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Speaker 5: block to kill one person and hundreds die, that's also

566
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Speaker 5: an acceptable cost.

567
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Speaker 7: It was.

568
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Speaker 5: Kimmels, who's the first North Who's who's uh uh the

569
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Speaker 5: first North Korean president whatever you want to call him,

570
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Speaker 5: Dictator uh had a famous quote where he said, and

571
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Speaker 5: I think he might have been even paraphrasing maw where he's.

572
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Speaker 7: Like, we are.

573
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 5: Building a world of you know, workers paradise for an eternity.

574
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Speaker 6: What is it?

575
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Speaker 5: How do you compare if several million people are killed

576
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 5: to get there? Compare that to the billions of people

577
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 5: who will be liberated into this worker's paradise that we're creating.

578
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 5: So that's the law. That's that's the logic. And and

579
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Speaker 5: from a math if you want to take it from

580
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 5: a mathematical level, like okay, yeah, if you really are

581
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 5: going to create a paradise for billions of people for eternity,

582
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 5: then yeah, a few million people dying on the way there.

583
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Speaker 7: Is an acceptable cost to pay.

584
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 5: Of course, all we ever get is the the few

585
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Speaker 5: million people killed, right, And there's the only thing on

586
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 5: the other side of that is just more suffering and more.

587
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: Death and more justification for why this time bullets are

588
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: going to accomplish the goal. And of course with Israel,

589
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: when you add into it, and I mean they use,

590
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Speaker 2: you know, biblical language all the time, when you add

591
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: that level, and and you layer on top of that

592
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: the constant posture as eternal victim, which I mean, this

593
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Speaker 2: is one of the films they pulled this up on

594
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Speaker 2: the screen. This is one of the things that is

595
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: so disturbing and disgusting to me is the wave of

596
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Speaker 2: American politicians. Here we have Lindsay Graham as one example,

597
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: game on pray for Israel. Wave of American politicians saying

598
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: pray for Israel after Israel just launched this illegal like

599
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Speaker 2: in any other context, right, if this is Russia, Ukraine,

600
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: we immediately okay, unprovoked, illegal attack in you know, as

601
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Speaker 2: long as it's an official bad guy nation of the US.

602
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: We see very clearly the implications of international law. And

603
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: yet we're supposed to be praying for the aggressive, genocidal

604
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Speaker 2: nation that has just illegally assassinated Iranian you know, political

605
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: leadership and scientists while they're at home, you know, with

606
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: their with their kids and with their families. I keep

607
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: thinking about the the uh murder of those two Israeli

608
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Speaker 2: embassy staffers here in d C. You know, by the

609
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: Israeli logic, that would be all fine and good, no

610
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 2: problem there. Look they're they're you know, affiliated with the government,

611
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: so fair, fair game. And of course in that context,

612
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: everyone see this. You can't do. This is not acceptable.

613
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: This is terrorism. But when it's the Israelis who do it,

614
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: it's celebrated. I mean the beeper attack, they celebrate that

615
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: like that was some glorious you know, accomplishment and something

616
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: to be praised and admired.

617
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 6: Yeah.

618
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Speaker 5: And to take it even further, if the if the

619
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Speaker 5: she was on the other foot, not only could you

620
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 5: kill those embassy staffers, if they were surrounded by their grandparents,

621
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Speaker 5: their cousins, their friends. Yep, that would just be unfortunate.

622
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Speaker 5: But hey, but it's part of the game to give

623
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Speaker 5: to give a sense of speaking of the depend we.

624
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Speaker 2: Should be praying for the dude who assassinated them. We

625
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: should be praying for them.

626
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, apparently right.

627
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Speaker 5: And so speaking of that, to underline the depravity of

628
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Speaker 5: our of our politics, we put up this one statement

629
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Speaker 5: from this congresswoman, a Democratic congresswoman. Yes, I mean, I'm sorry.

630
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Speaker 5: She's the only Iranian American that is in Congress as

631
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Speaker 5: far as I'm almost.

632
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 7: Certain about that.

633
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 5: And if you remember, there was this under the radar

634
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 5: race in Arizona that went down to this based to

635
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 5: a recount and to court fights, and is a Democratic primary,

636
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 5: and the the the candidate that was backed by Democratic

637
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 5: Majority for Israel, kind of an apac shootout offshoot. She

638
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 5: got an enormous amount of support from DMFI and beat

639
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 5: a progressive challenger in this primary, and so she won.

640
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 5: So now she's in office. So only Iranian American in Congress.

641
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 5: He her statement is all about essentially supporting the attack

642
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 5: on Iran. You know, the Islamic Republic must never be

643
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 5: allowed to acquire nuclear weapons and the current brutal regime

644
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 5: must be replaced. Iranian people who have suffered far more

645
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 5: than for more than four decades at the hands of

646
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 5: the regime deserved democracy and freedom. I do not want

647
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 5: to see further regional escalation that could lead to US

648
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 5: military action.

649
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 7: De escalation, how is imperative.

650
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the other thing, sorry to cut

651
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 2: you off. This is the other thing that utterly discussed

652
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Speaker 2: me is these people that posture like are doing the

653
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: Iranians of favor, right, but you know, attacking their country,

654
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Speaker 2: embombing their cities and their scientists like.

655
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Speaker 1: That.

656
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Speaker 2: I mean that in n Yahoo did the same thing

657
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Speaker 2: in his speech, which I know you and Maz covered

658
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: and went through last night, to posture, Oh this is

659
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: all for your own good. We're going to be greeted

660
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Speaker 2: as liberators. I mean, that's the that's the energy, that's

661
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: the vibe.

662
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 7: Yeah.

663
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Speaker 5: I don't know how much you talked with Treat about it,

664
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Speaker 5: but it looks like over seventy killed and you know,

665
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 5: including you know, huge swaths of the top echelon of

666
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 5: the Iranian military and government, the top civilians.

667
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: Including some of the people who are negotiating with their talks. Yeah,

668
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: which tells you. I mean, they did the same thing

669
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Speaker 2: in the context of, you know, when they were ongoing

670
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 2: ceasefire talks Israel and make a point of going on

671
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: whoever the top political leadership is, that's right, We're going

672
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: to go and assassinate them so that these talks can't

673
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: continue to go forward.

674
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 8: Yeah.

675
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 5: And according to Trump though, they're gonna go you know,

676
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 5: no how He's got them right where he wants them.

677
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

678
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: Well, the Iranians have already said the talks are off.

679
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 2: So as if that was any you know, anyone had

680
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: an eat.

681
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 7: Doubt, we didn't. We didn't know.

682
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 5: We needed to let you know that we're not showing

683
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 5: up on Sunday for these talks.

684
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Speaker 7: But most of us have been killed.

685
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 2: We're dead. Actually yeah, yeah, so we won't be there

686
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: because your great ally with your weapons and very likely

687
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: with your assistants, I mean definitely with those systems, like

688
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 2: who are we kidding?

689
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 5: Maybe last point for me on this is like I

690
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 5: meet seagull and these and other you know, Israelis are

691
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 5: out kind of celebrating the cleverness and the strategic brilliance

692
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 5: of this like long running deception. The part that's missing

693
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 5: there is that the United States and Israel do not

694
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 5: need to to bomb a country like Iran into smitheries.

695
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 5: We have the military capacity to tell them, Hey, Thursday

696
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 5: at eleven thirty Eastern time, we are going to kill

697
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 5: your nuclear scientists were peculiar. Now, it may may be

698
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 5: difficult to pull off some of the assassinations with the

699
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 5: heads up, but in general, the US has the military

700
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Speaker 5: capacity to smash Iran like and could do it every

701
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 5: five years indefinitely, you know, as long as the US

702
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 5: remains this hegemonic power, which we're doing our best to

703
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 5: shed ourselves of that. But we don't need deception, like

704
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 5: Israel doesn't need deception.

705
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 7: It has.

706
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Speaker 5: A massive firepower advantage over Iran, and especially when the

707
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 5: US is included, it's just overwhelming. Like this idea that

708
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 5: like the US and Israel are some kind of plucky

709
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 5: underdogs that needed to be super clever to defeat this

710
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 5: gigantic military force is absurd on its face.

711
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: Sager sends a DM that says Tel Aviv confirms their

712
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: pride parade today is canceled. So just update there, important

713
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: update there I was looking for. Let me pull up

714
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: this thing that was reposted from jd Vance something he

715
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: said a year ago, and get your reaction to this.

716
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Speaker 2: And then, by the way, guys, there's other big news.

717
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: I mean, this is monumental and blows everything else out

718
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: of the water, obviously in terms of US involvement and

719
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: where this all goes from here. There is other significant

720
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: news that we're going to cover as well. This senator

721
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: who was rustled to the ground and handcuffed, and there's

722
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Speaker 2: a court decision with regard to the deployment of the

723
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Speaker 2: National Guard. So a bunch of other things that we're

724
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: going to get to here as well. But just to

725
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 2: wrap up on that, ione Er would love to get

726
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: your reflections Ryan on something that jd Vance said a

727
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: year ago. He said, I'm very worried about Israel, worried

728
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: about it as a country because I think what's happened

729
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: the last couple months is revealed deep fishers in Israel's

730
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: support around the world. A more short term worry I

731
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: have with Israel, something analogous to what happened after nine

732
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: to eleven will happen.

733
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Speaker 4: Right.

734
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 2: You get all this bullshitting about how the deep state

735
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: misled Bush about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, or

736
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: maybe Bush misled himself, or maybe Cheney misled him. There

737
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: are all these series you read about why we invaded Iraq,

738
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: But when you think back on it, the most important

739
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: reason we invaded i Roq was social psychology. Afghanistan was

740
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: too easy, September eleventh was too bad, and we needed

741
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: to fuck something else up. That was just like this

742
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: need to fuck something else up, and Afghanistan didn't satisfy

743
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: that need. And I worry about that with Israel. I

744
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: think the Hamas thing. Obviously, there are a lot of

745
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: civilians who have died, but Israel expects to lose more

746
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: troops going into this. I think they've had a more

747
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: successful military operation than they expected to. And if I

748
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: have a big fear for Israel right now, it's about

749
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: the same exact dynamic that they're going to need to

750
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 2: try to fuck something else up because the psychology impact

751
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: of October seventh was so so powerful. And I guess

752
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: what I would say to that. I mean, first of all,

753
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: the fact that you had these JD vans and these

754
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: supposedly non interventionist voices within the Trump administration didn't end

755
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 2: up mattering one bit. I think there was a prelude

756
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: to that when we saw inside the signal chats and

757
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: how quickly everyone who was supposed to be in the

758
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 2: non interventionist side just immediately folded. When Stephen Miller comes

759
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: in and is like big guy, says we Mom and

760
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: Yemen and they're like, okay, cool, go America USA. Here's

761
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: my American flag emoji, fifth pound, etc. Like that was

762
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, an indication of where things are

763
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 2: going to head. But you know, in a sense, yes,

764
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: Israel has been able to bomb Gaza, to smithereens and

765
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 2: murder God only knows how many civilians. I just saw

766
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 2: a report yesterday that it maybe four hundred thousand Palestinians

767
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: and Gaza who were killed by Israel, but there are

768
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: no there is there's no amount of bombs that actually

769
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: solves their problem, like they still Hamas is still there,

770
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: Hamas is still in control. So in a sense, yes,

771
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 2: they're successful at blowing shit up, but in terms of

772
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: actually you know, creating some sort of lasting peace, they there.

773
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 2: It's an utter, incomplete failure.

774
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 5: Yes, and I think that Jade Vance's fear is well

775
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 5: founded and born out here. The only thing I would

776
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 5: add is that if you remember, and some of our

777
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 5: younger audience won't, but those who lived through it can

778
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 5: never forget the feeling, the blood curdling rage that was

779
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 5: coursing through the American public after nine to eleven is

780
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 5: unlike anything that has happened before since. But presumably, you

781
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 5: know Pearl Harbor, I think if you read people talking

782
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 5: about the moments after that that was that was probably

783
00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 5: maybe similar. Yeah, that faded after a period of a

784
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,959
Speaker 5: couple months. Like you kind of remember, the Baltimore Sun

785
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 5: had an American flag they sent they sent an American

786
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 5: flag out to everyone in the newspaper and everyone put

787
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 5: the American flag cut out of the newspaper onto their window.

788
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 5: And as that newspaper was withering, like two months later,

789
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 5: people were kind of calming back down again, but there

790
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 5: was still enough energy for the politicians to use it

791
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 5: to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. But the

792
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 5: public blood had moved down to a simmer and then

793
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 5: back to room temperature. Israel's blood is still boiling. All

794
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 5: of thee you can read, you can read their posts,

795
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 5: or you can look at any poll and just squint

796
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 5: at it and be like, I'm sorry, they seventy nine

797
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 5: percent of people do say they would support what that's

798
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 5: important like, So that's the you know, you know, what

799
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 5: we were able to accomplish was just a few months

800
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 5: of blood boiling rage. What hour you know, imperial leaders

801
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 5: were able to accomplish imagine if they have gotten that

802
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 5: boil on the stove for We're now going into the

803
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 5: third you know, we're in the third year of this,

804
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 5: so that with no with no end in sight. So

805
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 5: this is anybody's guess. How that how this ends?

806
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: So before we move on, I mean, how do you

807
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: think this ends? Like what happens now? What does this

808
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: look like?

809
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 5: I mean a lot depends on you know what, you know,

810
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 5: how how Iran responds, what and what that response looks like?

811
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 6: Is it.

812
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,479
Speaker 5: Do they you know, and how effectively they have been

813
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 5: neutered for now it does? It does seem like it

814
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 5: would heighten Israel's isolation, but a lot could change depending

815
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 5: on you know what what the Iranian response is.

816
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, responsible, Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, I'm not convinced that

817
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: it heightens Israel's isolation. In the short term, because all

818
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 2: of these Western countries, at least, you know, France, which

819
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: had been some of these European countries that had been

820
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: starting to make some noises about being unhappy what was

821
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: happening in Gaza. You know, France is down immediately with

822
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: the Israel has a right to defend itself blah blah

823
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: blah kind of a statement. So in a sense, because

824
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: Iran is such an official bad guy with Western nations,

825
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 2: you know, in a sense, I think these attacks shore

826
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: up Israel support in the West. You know, certainly with

827
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: the Trump administration, they're all on board with it. You'll

828
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: hear Marjorie Taylor Green will say something, but that'll be

829
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: about it. On the Republican side, mostly Rand Paul, Marjori

830
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 2: Taylor Green, you get a handful of voices, but mostly

831
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: they're going to be all in for this. They're going

832
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: to be all on board. The Mark Levin talking points

833
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: about how this is amazing and glorious and brilliant and

834
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: wonderful and going to be the greatest thing for all

835
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 2: of us, even as we hurtle towards you know, potential

836
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 2: massive regional war.

837
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 5: And the other point Moz made, which is obvious but

838
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 5: worth underscoring last night is that Iran is ten times bigger,

839
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 5: and you know, you know, maybe they you know, uh

840
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 5: knocked backwards their ballistic missile production, but they're making fifty

841
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 5: missiles a month. They have a stockpile of three thousand.

842
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 5: A war of attrition between a country that is a

843
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 5: tenth of its size, it isn't necessarily going to go well,

844
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 5: even if you have long term you know, even if

845
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 5: you have the United States backing you to the hill

846
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 5: like long we're a mess, like and we're a mess,

847
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 5: like how long are we going to keep? Are we

848
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 5: going to really keep sending endless amounts? We're running out

849
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 5: of magnatum. I mean, we haven't make our own.

850
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 7: We can't run our own.

851
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: Make ours we I mean, how is our endless support

852
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: of Ukraine? Has that been enough for them to push

853
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: back Russia? Which is a country that I don't know,

854
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: is it ten times? It's probably about similar maths in

855
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: terms of you know, size differential.

856
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 5: China had a delightful time testing all its China arms,

857
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 5: a lot of the Pakistani military and they had a

858
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 5: delightful time watching Pakistan, you know, go toe to toe

859
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 5: with India, with Chinese weapons.

860
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 7: Uh. You know, I'm sure China be happy to keep this,

861
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 7: keep this uh absolutely.

862
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 5: Running war going for the precise same logic that we

863
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 5: would love to keep the Ukraine War going to tie

864
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 5: up Russia and drain Instead of draining Russia, we helped,

865
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 5: you know, rebuild their industrial capacity, whereas we actually are

866
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 5: getting drained because we don't have the capacity to build anything.

867
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, China would love to continue to invest in their

868
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: society and developing research and you know, uh leap frogging.

869
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 7: Paths and missiles, the high.

870
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: Tech development and you know, use development for the ice

871
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: that the chart that you shared about how the bottom

872
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 2: fifty percent in China per capita is actually doing better

873
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: than the bottom fifty percent in this country. So they'd

874
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: love to continue in that direction while we get ourselves

875
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: tied up in another Yeah, yet another.

876
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 5: The whole and the whole reason, the whole reason Obama

877
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 5: wanted to do the peace deal was his He and

878
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 5: all of like the blob, entire blob in Washington has

879
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 5: been saying, pivot to Asia, Pivot to Asia, Pivot to Asia, like,

880
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 5: wrap up this starting wars in the Middle East. It's

881
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 5: it's bad for us strategically, versus China. China agrees that

882
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 5: is good for them, bad for us. So we're going

883
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 5: to wrap that up. We're going to move over focus

884
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 5: over here. And I guess luckily for Asia that hasn't.

885
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 5: We haven't been able to educate ourselves because where we

886
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 5: decide to focus means that's where there's going to be

887
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 5: the most you know, killing and chaos. So, yeah, if

888
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 5: I were Asia and I heard that the country that

889
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 5: was just focused for the last fifty years on the

890
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 5: Middle East is now going to focus on us, like,

891
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 5: oh boy.

892
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: Thanks, yeah, new Chinese century, this may seale the deal.

893
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: Truly really may seale the deal. Let's go ahead and

894
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: move to the story that would have been the top

895
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: news story and now seems kind of trivial in comparison,

896
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: but still important. We want to cover it, which is

897
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: this United States Senator from California, Alex Padia. He's the

898
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: one he got elected when Diane Feinstein died, Is that right, Ryan,

899
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: That's who, that's where when he gets elected. Yeah, So

900
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: what happens here is he's in la he is in

901
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: the federal building that has been the center of the

902
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: protests and all of the action, and where the national

903
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: guard have been hanging out and all of this sort

904
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: of stuff. So he's in the building for a briefing

905
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: about what is going on there, and he learns that

906
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: a couple doors down, Christinome is giving a press conference.

907
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: So he decides, I'm going to go in and I'm

908
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 2: going to watch this press conference, and I'm going to

909
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: try to assert myself and get a question answered, because,

910
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: by the way, I've been trying to get some answers

911
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: from Dajas and they completely stonewall and I don't get

912
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: anything from them. And so a scene unfolds where he

913
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: ends up getting forcibly removed by the whatever government thugs

914
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: happened to be there. I don't have their FBI or

915
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: what agency particular they're with, and then wrestle to the

916
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: ground and handcuffed. Truly extraordinary scenes. Let me go ahead

917
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 2: and play this is the I think this is the

918
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: fullest video that I've seen, so you can see exactly

919
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: what unfolded here.

920
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 9: Hands up, hands up, I'm Senator Alex could be a

921
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 9: I have questions for the secretary because the fact of

922
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 9: the matter is half a dozen criminals on your on.

923
00:49:51,440 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 10: Your on the ground, your back on your back.

924
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 6: You right behind my back. Flat other other hand, there's

925
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 6: no recording loud. I didn't recording a loud, right, but

926
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 6: what I'm sorry, there's no recording. That's my boss has.

927
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 10: Record.

928
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 6: I'm not remember there's no recording. I understand that.

929
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: No recording allowed on here by their public press conference, right.

930
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 5: Outside the press conference. And yeah, I've seen it's that's

931
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 5: it's such a scary, scary footage and it's very it's

932
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 5: one of these classic police moves where you're giving the guy.

933
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 5: You're giving the guy contradictory information, and so many people

934
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 5: have been killed because one cop is yelling, you know,

935
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 5: put your hands up, and the other cop is yelling

936
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 5: don't move, yeah, and you'd come here, come there, and

937
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 5: the guy doesn't know what to do, and then they

938
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,479
Speaker 5: just shoot him. In this case, they've got him down

939
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 5: on his knees and they're pushing him towards the ground

940
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 5: and also telling him to put his hands behind his.

941
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: Back, behind his back, right.

942
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 5: Which would very obviously lead his face to smash into

943
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 5: the floor, right. And so he says like old on,

944
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 5: let me let me get like stop, and so he

945
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 5: puts his hands down. Now they think he's like resisting

946
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 5: He's like, no, you just that was the only option

947
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 5: you gave him, and then they man handle him further.

948
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 7: He'd get his hands behind his back.

949
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 5: Apparently what Crystal, what they said, they they didn't realize

950
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 5: he was a senator. In the video, you hear him say,

951
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 5: I'm Senator Alex Padia, and I have a question about

952
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 5: he said violent criminals.

953
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: They said he lunched towards her and did not identify himself.

954
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: And by the way, in the in the post on

955
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 2: Twitter where they say that they included the video and

956
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: in the first two seconds, you hear him say, I'm

957
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: Senator Alexpidihi from California. So I mean, it's just like

958
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 2: they they expect us to just accept their lives even

959
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: when they themselves are providing the evidence that their narrative

960
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 2: of what happened is blatantly false, like in the first

961
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: like two seconds of the video is provably false.

962
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 5: That's become a new phenomenon I've noticed on social media

963
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 5: that and this is these are in government sources that

964
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 5: are doing this. You write, you write a statement and

965
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 5: then the video you put under it contradicts what you

966
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 5: just wrote and you but it doesn't matter. You're like

967
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 5: I'm just I'm just gonna say it. Sometimes misquote.

968
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: Assume people won't watch the video, and so they'll just

969
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 2: take it for granted. I mean, it used to be

970
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 2: that they'd at least have the you know, the the

971
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: endity to falsely edit out the part that was inconvenient

972
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: for them and like put together some clip mishmash to

973
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: try to make it seem like it actually happened the

974
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: way they're saying it is. Now that I even bother

975
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: with that. They just lie in the post and just

976
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 2: hope that you don't actually watch the video, or if

977
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: you do, you're so partisan, brain addled that you can't

978
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 2: see through the fact that their post and the video

979
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: doesn't line up whatsoever.

980
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe what they meant was we didn't believe that

981
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 5: he was a senator or they did. And this is

982
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 5: what they're doing, Like they don't care, like they they have.

983
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 5: They have a an unpopular agenda that they're that they're

984
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 5: planning to ram through and you're going to have to

985
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 5: do that through force.

986
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: Well, and you have already you know, you had the

987
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: sort of chaos that unfolded in Newark when Mayor Ross

988
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: Baraka was there with several members of Congress, and they

989
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: they go to the members of Congress were at this

990
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: facility as a federal facility the city, by the way,

991
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: re Juxas says, it's not permitted properly, like they're in

992
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: court over the presence of this facility at all. So

993
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: it's disputed. To start with, there's members of Congress who

994
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: are there to provide oversight, which they have the legal

995
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 2: right to do based on a law that was passed

996
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: I think during Trump's first administration. And then the mayor

997
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 2: is there as well, trying to also gain access. They

998
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: tell him okay, well you can't go in, so he leaves,

999
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: and then they arrest him, and it leads to there's

1000
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: protesters onside. LA's chaotic scene and now not only they

1001
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: arrest him, then ultimately they say we can't really charge you.

1002
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: They drop the charges because there's no they're there with

1003
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: regard to him, but they've now charged one of the

1004
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: congresswomen who was there, represided to MacIvor is that her name, Lamonica?

1005
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 2: I think that's right, and with charges that could result

1006
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 2: in seventeen years in prison. So you know, when you ask, okay,

1007
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 2: well was this intention? Did they just not believe that

1008
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 2: he's the United States senator because his skin tone wasn't

1009
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 2: the right hue or for whatever reason. You know, you

1010
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 2: have to think about it in the context of everything

1011
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 2: else that they're doing, which is brazen lee you know,

1012
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 2: strong man authoritarian, fascist tactics. You have the National Guard deployed,

1013
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: you have the freaking Marines deployed, Like this is insanity

1014
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: for some pretty run of the mill protests that spanned

1015
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: a few city blocks. Okay, they're threatening the deployment of

1016
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,720
Speaker 2: troops acted duty military troops in cities across the country.

1017
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 7: True, true, Yeah, shifts and giggles like yeah.

1018
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 2: Trump is throwing himself a birthday party military parade, and

1019
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 2: he says any protesters there will be met with force.

1020
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: Not violent protesters, not rioters. Protesters will be met with force. So,

1021
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 2: you know, if it was a different administration that did

1022
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 2: not have all of this track record of things that

1023
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: are happening, I'm just talking about the last week. Those

1024
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: are things that all happened this week. If it was

1025
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 2: a different administration, maybe because maybe it was a mix up,

1026
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 2: maybe they really didn't think it was a senator. Maybe

1027
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: you know, they you know, the FBI or whoever was

1028
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 2: there guarding her. Maybe they really did think that this

1029
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: was some sort of a public safety threat, even though

1030
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 2: again you're inside of a federal building wherever you could

1031
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: search for weapons before you even go in. Maybe, but

1032
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 2: there is no reason to give these people any benefit

1033
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: of the doubt when this is part and parcel and

1034
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: entirely consistent with the authoritarian strong man tactics that they've

1035
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: been deploying again and again and again. I have the

1036
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: statement from Senator of Padilla, his explanation of what he

1037
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 2: was trying to accomplish and how this all went down.

1038
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to him, and

1039
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: then I can put up the DHS statement as well

1040
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: to give their side of the story.

1041
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 8: Good After everybody of center out, you guys have some questions,

1042
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 8: I'm going to read a brief statement. I will not

1043
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 8: be taking questions, but allow me to read my statements.

1044
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 8: I'm here in Los Angeles today, and I was here

1045
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 8: in the Federal building in the conference room awaiting a

1046
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 8: scheduled briefing from federal officials as part of my responsibility

1047
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 8: as a senator to provide oversight and accountability. While I

1048
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 8: was waiting for the briefing, with General Guillot, I learned

1049
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 8: that Secretary of None was having a press conference a

1050
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 8: couple of words down the hall. Since the beginning of

1051
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 8: the year, but especially over the course of the last

1052
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 8: over the course of recent weeks, I several of my

1053
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 8: colleagues have been asking the Apartment of Home od Security

1054
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 8: for more information and more answers on their increasingly extreme

1055
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 8: immigration enforcement actions. And we've gotten little to no information

1056
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 8: in response to our inquiries. And so I came to

1057
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 8: the press conference to hear what she had to say,

1058
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 8: to see if I could learn any new additional information.

1059
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 6: And at one point I had.

1060
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 8: A question, and I'm emphasized, just as we emphasized the

1061
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 8: right for people to peacefully protest and to stand up

1062
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 8: for their First Amendment rights, for our fundamental rights. I

1063
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 8: was there peacefully. At one point I had a question,

1064
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 8: and so I began to ask a question. I was

1065
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 8: almost immediately forcibly removed from the room. I was forced

1066
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 8: to the ground, and I was handcuffed. I was not arrested,

1067
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 8: I was not detained. I will say this, if this

1068
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 8: is how this administration responds to a senator with a question,

1069
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 8: If this is how the Department of Homeland Security responds

1070
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 8: to a senator with a question, you can only imagine what.

1071
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 11: They're doing to farm workers, to cooks, to day labors

1072
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 11: out in the Los Angeles community and throughout California and

1073
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 11: throughout the country.

1074
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 8: We will hold this administration accountable and we'll have more

1075
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 8: to say. We'll have more to say in the coming days.

1076
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 2: I think that last point is the most important one, Ryan, Like,

1077
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: if this is how you're treating the US senator, just

1078
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: imagine if you're a defenseless, nobody farm worker, dai labor mom,

1079
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: student who dares to ride it up at like, just

1080
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 2: imagine the way that people who don't have the ability

1081
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: to go in front of a camera and tell their story.

1082
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: Just imagine how they're being treated.

1083
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's really well said. And you know, we

1084
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 5: don't have to totally imagine. There are the reports that

1085
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 5: are coming out of the way that migrants and attention

1086
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Speaker 5: are being treated.

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Speaker 2: Well, and some of it is Apparently even Trump felt

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Speaker 2: the need to put on a statement saying like Steven

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Speaker 2: m's going too far effectively, although he then quickly walked that.

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Speaker 7: Back, right.

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Speaker 5: You know, he was saying yes because it was going

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Speaker 5: after the farm workers and hotel employees.

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Speaker 7: And you know, I.

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Speaker 5: Think Trump probably if you act, actually got him in

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Speaker 5: an honest moment, doesn't have a problem with does doesn't

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Speaker 5: want to round up everybody that works on farms and

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Speaker 5: in hotels. I think that's probably pretty obvious. I think

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Speaker 5: probably most of his you know, probably a lot of

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Speaker 5: workers at his properties would get round up.

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Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 5: So that seemed more like an honest moment, whereas the

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Speaker 5: rest of it is kind of dishonest. But yeah, at

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Speaker 5: the conditions that they're keeping people in no food, no

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Speaker 5: water for long stretches, very very long stretches, keeping people

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Speaker 5: in pitch dark.

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Speaker 2: That's part of what sparked these protests. They were keeping

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Speaker 2: in the federal building in the basement. They were holding

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Speaker 2: immigrants that they that they detain, including you know, families

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Speaker 2: with limited in spaces that are not meant to be

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Speaker 2: you know, detention facilities, so very limited food, limited water, light,

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Speaker 2: pitch black. Lights went off I think at five pm,

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Speaker 2: and then you're just sitting there and pitch black. They're

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Speaker 2: talking about family kids. I mean, yeah, that was part

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Speaker 2: of what sparked the protests in LA to begin with that,

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Speaker 2: and then the you know, the roundups at home depot

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Speaker 2: and this one garment manufacturer as well were what kicked

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Speaker 2: off these protests. And then, according to the reporting from

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Speaker 2: the LA Times, protests start off, you know, just obviously

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Speaker 2: upset but peaceful, and then the cops start throwing you know,

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Speaker 2: spring to your gas and throwing flash bang grenades, and

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Speaker 2: that's when you know, the more violent behavior kicks off.

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Speaker 2: This is often the case started by the cops. I

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Speaker 2: wanted to show you this is the DHS statement that

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Speaker 2: we're referring to before center of Padilla shows disrespectful political

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Speaker 2: theater again, Christy, No, I'm talking about political theater. Be

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Speaker 2: so for real right now anyway, and interrupted a live

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Speaker 2: press conference without identifying himself. That's the part that's like

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Speaker 2: in this video right here he identifies himself or having

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Speaker 2: a Senate Security pin on. As he lunged towards Secretary

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Speaker 2: Nome Padia was told repeatedly to back away, did not

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01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 2: comply with officers repeated commands. That gets to what you

1132
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 2: were saying, Ryan about how they give these conflicting commands,

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Speaker 2: that that's impossible to comply with. Secret Service thought he

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Speaker 2: was an attacker. Officers acted appropriately. Secretary of Noam met

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01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 2: with Senator Padea after and held a fifteen minute meeting.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's interesting, like I think that this

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Speaker 2: is I think the footage is very disturbing. I think

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01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 2: people should be upset and disturbed by it. It's also

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01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 2: interesting Ryan the things that really get to democratic elected officials.

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Speaker 2: They've been kind of quiet about the military being unleashed

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01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 2: against US citizens in LA. They've been kind of quiet

1142
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 2: about Trump green lighting Israel starting World War three. They

1143
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 2: have not been quiet about one of their colleagues getting

1144
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 2: arrested in this manner. And again, I don't want to

1145
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: downplay it, but it is just interesting to me that

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01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 2: suddenly this is the thing that they were like, oh shit,

1147
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 2: this hits close to home. They did a you know,

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01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 2: they I think Schumer immediately, you know, made some statement

1149
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 2: on the floor. They did a march to Senatra Foon's office.

1150
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,959
Speaker 2: They've you know, certainly all been putting out statements, et cetera.

1151
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 2: Like they are very exercised. They're getting up off their

1152
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 2: asses for this one.

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01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 5: And as Dave Dan pointed out, when Schumer took to

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01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 5: the floor and asked unanimous consent for a moment to

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01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 5: make to make that comment. What he was interrupting was

1156
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 5: a bipartisan you know, uh tongue bath for the crypto

1157
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 5: industry's like Schumer was in the middle of empowering all

1158
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 5: of the crypto allies of the Trump administration when he

1159
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 5: when he took a moment to condemn them for man

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Speaker 5: handling Padilla.

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Speaker 2: Two perfect too perfect and crypto speech over.

1162
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 7: We can go back to the crypto.

1163
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 2: Right, I go back over to like letting scammers fleece

1164
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 2: the American people and enrich are correct in the white

1165
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: and to destabilize the global financial system. Let's get back

1166
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 2: to that bipartisan work that we were doing previously. Yeah,

1167
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: so it says a lot, doesn't it. Yeah, let me

1168
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 2: go ahead and show you this piece which is so understandably,

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Speaker 2: most of the attention is focused on the DIA, what

1170
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Speaker 2: he's doing, the arrests, you know, and being rustled to

1171
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Speaker 2: the ground, et cetera, by the way, charge him or anything.

1172
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Speaker 2: So that's good at least, which I would not have

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Speaker 2: put past them whatsoever. I guess even they realized that

1174
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 2: might be a bridge too far. But it's worth taking

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Speaker 2: a listen to what Christy Noam was actually saying in

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Speaker 2: that press conference. So let me go ahead and pull

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Speaker 2: this up. I'll read the caption and we can actually

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Speaker 2: play the sound as well. But this person, Jason Kirk,

1179
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 2: is pointing out before they dragged out Padilla, Noam said,

1180
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Speaker 2: we are staying here in La to liberate the city

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Speaker 2: from the socialists and the burden some leadership that the

1182
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: guy and this mayor have placed on this country. And

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01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 2: he opines accurately, so sounds close to declaring a regime

1184
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 2: change attempt on millions of Americans here. You can go

1185
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 2: ahead and listen to her deliver those lines.

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Speaker 12: Dane, and increase our operations in this city. We are

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Speaker 12: not going away. We are staying here to liberate the

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Speaker 12: city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this

1189
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Speaker 12: governor and that this mayor have placed on this country

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Speaker 12: and what they have tried to insert.

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Speaker 4: Into this city.

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Speaker 12: So I want to say thank you to every single

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Speaker 12: person that has been able to do this.

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Speaker 2: Also I want to talk, so there you go. That's

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Speaker 2: the moment she's interrupted is when she's announcing effectively a

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Speaker 2: regime change operation in La, which, as far as I know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this has been quiet for a couple of days.

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Speaker 2: Now they don't even have enough like they're there to

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Speaker 2: get their riot porn images to play on a loop

1200
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Speaker 2: and Fox News, which is why I guess they were

1201
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 2: playing these images from Las Vegas which were just protesters

1202
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Speaker 2: like standing there facing off with the cops.

1203
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting that they aren't aren't even getting kind

1204
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 5: of the war that they wanted the right they see,

1205
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 5: they provoked some you know way mow car burning, sent

1206
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Speaker 5: in the National Guard, then then sent in the Marines.

1207
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 5: I think hoping that they would get like another George

1208
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 5: Floyd uh moment where you know, people pour out into

1209
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 5: the streets of every city and like they're not you know,

1210
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 5: they're going to be continue to be protest, but they're

1211
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Speaker 5: not getting And maybe maybe it's so transparent that that

1212
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 5: it's what they want that a lot of people are

1213
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 5: just like, I'm not gonna I'm not going to give

1214
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 5: you what you want.

1215
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 2: What do you think of We've got these no Kings,

1216
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 2: no King protests that are happening, uh this weekend. These

1217
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 2: were pre planned Trump, as I referenced before, said protest,

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01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 2: any protesters of his military parade are going to be

1219
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 2: met with force. Uh you know, what do you what

1220
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 2: do you expect unfold there. What do you think the

1221
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: significance is. I have to say, I think the branding

1222
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 2: is good, like fits with certainly, Yeah, fits with the

1223
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 2: moment certainly, and plays into like you know, there was

1224
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 2: all this criticism of like the Mexican flags. This is

1225
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 2: a deeply American sentiment. Listen, this is America. We don't

1226
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 2: have kings. So I think everybody can give them the

1227
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 2: the opjects seal of approval on this one.

1228
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Speaker 5: And they're not going to be in Washington, d C.

1229
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Speaker 5: You know, some some people may organically protest Trump's it's

1230
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Speaker 5: like a two block parade that he's having. But in general,

1231
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 5: the protests, the process organizers have said, let's, you know,

1232
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Speaker 5: protest everywhere except.

1233
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Speaker 7: Washington, d C.

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Speaker 5: They don't want, you know, they don't want the conflict

1235
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 5: with the military there.

1236
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Speaker 7: It could be it could be quite.

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01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 5: Large, you know. I you know, if you know, if

1238
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 5: you're watching this video, let us know down in the comments,

1239
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 5: like but if you're going But I my sense is

1240
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 5: that you could get enormous numbers of people coming out

1241
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 5: in the streets.

1242
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 2: I mean, the Trump administration is certainly giving them lots

1243
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 2: of incentive to go out right now just in this week,

1244
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 2: you know, provoking a large and emotional response, understandably, So

1245
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 2: I thought this was interesting. You know, in terms of

1246
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 2: the polling that we've seen so far, we've got a

1247
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 2: Washington Post pull on immigration enforcement. Let me put this

1248
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 2: up on the screen. I also saw when we would

1249
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 2: put up in just a second about the way the

1250
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 2: like places where his approval rating have declined the times

1251
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 2: during his administration. So you've got de approve of the

1252
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 2: trumpet how Trump is handling immigration enforcement, including deportations. According

1253
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 2: to this bowl, take it for what it is worth,

1254
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 2: disapprove is now fifty two percent. So even on this

1255
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 2: issue that's supposed to be his best issue, fifty two

1256
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 2: percent disapproved, thirty seven percent approve, and twelve percent are unsure.

1257
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: Do you support or oppose the protest in LA against

1258
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 2: federal government's immigration enforcement opposes forty percent, Support is thirty

1259
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 2: nine percent, pretty you know, much along partisan lines oftentimes, Ryan,

1260
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 2: I feel like people don't like protesters, even when they

1261
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 2: support the things that they.

1262
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Speaker 5: Are protests, especially if they especially if they see cars burning, right, yeah,

1263
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 5: once they see flames, people are like, eh.

1264
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Speaker 2: I'm out, yeah, completely, let me just hold on, Let

1265
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 2: me give me a second and let me pull up

1266
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 2: this other poll that I just saw this morning. Someone

1267
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 2: had marked up where Trump's approval rating had fallen off

1268
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 2: most quickly, and it was like, here we go. It

1269
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 2: was like when the Trump administration defied the court on

1270
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 2: Kilmara Brego Garcia. And right now there's been a significant

1271
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 2: decline over the past last week. So you've got the

1272
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 2: Trump administration defies Supreme Court on a Brego Garcia. You

1273
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 2: can see that his approval, you know, is, let's see

1274
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 2: approval declines, and then he was actually building back up

1275
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 2: here and then he deploys the National Guard in Los

1276
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 2: Angeles and it falls again. Now you know, you could say, Okay,

1277
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 2: maybe these polls are maybe there's not enough polling, maybe

1278
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 2: these poles aren't correct, etc. But I've seen enough at

1279
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 2: this point, certainly on the kilmar A Brego Garcia piece, Ryan,

1280
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 2: that I am quite convinced that fight was really bad

1281
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 2: for the Trump administration. And I think we know that,

1282
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 2: especially at this point, because he backed down and brought

1283
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 2: him back and realized that between the court pressure and

1284
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 2: the public pressure, this was not going well for him.

1285
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 2: And I think you see some similar indications of that

1286
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 2: with regard to the deploying of the National Guard in

1287
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Speaker 2: la I mean, first of all, like you said, he's

1288
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 2: not getting the scenes that he wanted out of that

1289
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 2: and thought be so great. But the fact that he

1290
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 2: put out that post yesterday, which I can pull up

1291
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 2: here in a second, where he's basically like, oh, we

1292
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 2: don't want hard working people being pulled down of the

1293
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,600
Speaker 2: country or sent out of the country, and the you know,

1294
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 2: for the farmers and for the hotel workers, et cetera.

1295
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 2: That also was an indication to me that he did

1296
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 2: not feel like this aggressive, visible crackdown that Stephen Miller

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Speaker 2: demanded where he said, stop going after the criminals and

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Speaker 2: go to the home depots in the seven eleven, that

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Speaker 2: he didn't feel like the optics of this were working

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Speaker 2: out for him in the way that Stephen Miller had projected.

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Speaker 5: Right, He's he and Steven Miller are different. Stephen Miller

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Speaker 5: is a revolutionary who has an ideological vision for the

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Speaker 5: revolution that he's trying to carry out. Yeah, it's exactly

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Speaker 5: what Trump says, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Stephen Miller is a white nationalist. He thinks

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Speaker 2: that anyone is brown, you're illegitimately and not just by

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Speaker 2: the way, undocumented immigrants, Like, that's what all of these

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Speaker 2: efforts to rescind legal status to hundreds of thousands of immigrants,

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Speaker 2: that's what that's about. So it's not about illegal immigrants.

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Speaker 2: They're taking legal immigrants and making them illegal so they

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Speaker 2: can have pretext to support as many people as possible.

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Speaker 2: And then you also had you know, this strange I

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Speaker 2: guess not that strange moment from a bunch of right

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Speaker 2: wing influencers like Charlie Kirk and I think is Jack

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Speaker 2: Pisoba and a camera. There's one other where they all

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Speaker 2: started putting out the same message about how we need

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Speaker 2: zero migration in from what they described as third world countries,

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Speaker 2: like just making it as plain as possible that you know,

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Speaker 2: we want a white ethno state, and so if you

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Speaker 2: come from a country where we deem you know, the

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Speaker 2: melanin shade to not be correct, then you are no

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Speaker 2: longer allowed to come here.

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Speaker 5: Right, And we need to double the number of medical

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Speaker 5: schools and nursing schools, which we should do anyway, but

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Speaker 5: they have no plan to do that.

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Speaker 2: No, of course, not yeah, of course not yeah, what

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Speaker 2: did you I mean, what did you have that same

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Speaker 2: political read of the Trump Post, and then he also

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Speaker 2: made some comments about the farmers and the hotel workers

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Speaker 2: that he sort of felt like, this isn't really going

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Speaker 2: that great because the polling. Also, if you ask people, Okay,

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Speaker 2: do you want to deport violent criminals, They're like absolutely.

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Speaker 2: If you ask them, do you want to deport day

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Speaker 2: laborers at home depot who have been here for years

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Speaker 2: and have no criminal record, it is overwhelming the level

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Speaker 2: of opposition. I'm talking like seventy five percent or like

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Speaker 2: why the hell would you do that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think not just that Trump's to Trump's credit,

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Speaker 5: he is always on the phone, like he and he's

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Speaker 5: and talks to not just on the and not just

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Speaker 5: with rich people. It's usually rich people on the phone,

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Speaker 5: but you know, he authentically talks to a lot of

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Speaker 5: people as he goes around the world, like it's one

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Speaker 5: of it's his effort to stay you know, in touch

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Speaker 5: with public opinion. And I'm sure that he was hearing

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Speaker 5: from you know, farm you know, owners of large farms,

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Speaker 5: ranch owners like others who and other you know, hotel

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Speaker 5: types who were like having their businesses ruined by ice.

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Speaker 5: And also and it's not just that, like the the

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Speaker 5: level of fear that they have struck into the immigrant

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Speaker 5: community is off the charts, like it's which is intentional,

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Speaker 5: but it means that even if you don't get an

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Speaker 5: Ice RAYD, you just have a lot of people just

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Speaker 5: like not showing up right, showing up less. I'm sure

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Speaker 5: that some non trivial number are are self deporting.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 5: And so people who rely on those workers aren't are

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Speaker 5: then calling Trump and saying, bro, like what are you doing?

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Speaker 5: And from Trusper scifety, he's liked Stephen were doing? Man,

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Speaker 5: what about the criminals? Like, you know, they ran for

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Speaker 5: years on how many murderers and rapists are running free?

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Speaker 5: And you know it's embarrassing to them that they can't

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Speaker 5: find them because because they manufactured.

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Speaker 2: Them, because they don't.

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Speaker 7: It's a storyline right right.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's a big part of why they

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Speaker 2: want this show of force, like rolling up with in

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Speaker 2: a military you know, vehicle with a whole pay LANX,

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Speaker 2: partly of militarized officers, partly plain clothes ice thugs with

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Speaker 2: their face covered. Because if you have that level of

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Speaker 2: show of force, it makes it feel like you're apprehending

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Speaker 2: a criminal, even when you're just going after some guy

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Speaker 2: who rises some flyers, as was the case in one instance,

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Speaker 2: or you know, a dad who has no criminal record,

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Speaker 2: or people even who've been doing exactly what they were

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Speaker 2: supposed to do and going through the asylum process. But

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Speaker 2: if you roll in with that kind of equipment, people

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Speaker 2: just sort of assume like, oh, well, they must be

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Speaker 2: going after some real super bad guy, violent criminal if

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Speaker 2: you're coming in with that kind of you know, that

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Speaker 2: kind of equipment and that kind of approach, using all

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Speaker 2: these resources to go after just some random like mom

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Speaker 2: who's not done anything wrong. But we know that's the

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Speaker 2: case because we know when they sent they use military

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Speaker 2: planes to fly migrants down to Guantanamo Bay, they had

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Speaker 2: no criminal record. Most of them had no criminal records,

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Speaker 2: or they had like you know, Jay walked effectively the

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Speaker 2: people they sent a seacott vast majority of them no

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Speaker 2: criminal record. And so so I think that's part of

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