WEBVTT - Tech News: Hack the Planet

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff tech News edition

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<v Speaker 1>for Tuesday, January five, twenty twenty one. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and I love all things tech. And welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>very first episode of tech Stuff, covering tech news every

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday and Thursday. And I'll bring you headlines from the

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<v Speaker 1>tech world and give you a little context and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>some of that old Strickland flair which usually manifests as

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<v Speaker 1>puns and stupid references. Spoiler alert, you'll get at least

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<v Speaker 1>one of those in this episode. So let's hit the

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<v Speaker 1>headlines now. In this first section, I thought I would

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<v Speaker 1>cover some of the heaviest topics, and our first is

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<v Speaker 1>a big one. My top story is that a judge

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<v Speaker 1>in the United Kingdom has denied a request from the

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<v Speaker 1>United States to extradite Julian Assange to the u S.

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<v Speaker 1>Assange is the founder of Wiki Leaks, or is often

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<v Speaker 1>credited as such. That is, the organization dedicated to publishing

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<v Speaker 1>internal documents from governments, companies, and other organizations in an

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<v Speaker 1>effort to increase transparency. The official wiki Leaks site puts

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<v Speaker 1>it like this, Our goal is to bring important news

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<v Speaker 1>and information to the public. We provide an innovative, secure,

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<v Speaker 1>an anonymous way for sources to leak information to our journalists.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they mentioned that that way is their electronic dropbox.

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<v Speaker 1>One of our most important activities is to publish original

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<v Speaker 1>source material alongside our news stories, so readers and historians

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<v Speaker 1>alike can see evidence of the truth end quote. The

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<v Speaker 1>organization has been connected to several high profile events around

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<v Speaker 1>the world, just early involving clandest in government activities or

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<v Speaker 1>ethically questionable corporate practices. Sometimes you end up getting both

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, and as such, the organization is

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<v Speaker 1>frequently under let's call it intense scrutiny and pressure, political

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<v Speaker 1>and business and otherwise. It has also occasionally shown a

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<v Speaker 1>tendency to promote baseless conspiracy theories and be used as

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<v Speaker 1>sort of an end to push Asane's particular political views.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, during the twenty sixteen election cycle, WikiLeaks published

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<v Speaker 1>many reports that were seen as particularly harmful for Hillary

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton's ultimately unsuccessful campaign to become president. In addition, Julian

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<v Speaker 1>Assange made statements saying Clinton would be a bad president

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<v Speaker 1>and later investigations showed that WikiLeaks representatives had sent numerous

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<v Speaker 1>messages to Donald Trump Jr. Coaching him on how the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump campaign might contest election results of things not go

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<v Speaker 1>their way now. In the end, the election, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>went to Trump in twenty sixteen, but as we see

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<v Speaker 1>his administration push very hard to overturn the election results

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<v Speaker 1>from twenty twenty, it seems like some of that playbook

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<v Speaker 1>might still be in use. Various agencies in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States have been investigating Wiki leaks and Assange all the

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<v Speaker 1>way back since in a federal grand jury indicted Assange,

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<v Speaker 1>though at the time only a relatively small number of

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<v Speaker 1>people actually knew what that indictment was because it was

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<v Speaker 1>a sealed indictment. However, in twenty nineteen, Assange lost his

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<v Speaker 1>asylum status at the Ecuador embassy in London. That in

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<v Speaker 1>itself is a long story. Assange had been there since,

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<v Speaker 1>but in twenty nineteen British officers would arrest Assange once

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<v Speaker 1>Ecuador no longer gave him asylum, and this all stemmed

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<v Speaker 1>from a twenty twelve decision in which the UK was

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<v Speaker 1>going to extradite Assange to Sweden after Assange had become

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<v Speaker 1>the focus of a sexual assault case. Now that's when

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<v Speaker 1>Assange skipped bail and sought asylum at the Ecuador embassy.

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<v Speaker 1>So this arrest was in response to him skipping bail.

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<v Speaker 1>The Swedish authorities who were pursuing that sexual assault case

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<v Speaker 1>against Assange had dropped charges in twenty nineteen. Now, Sange,

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<v Speaker 1>for his part, said the only reason that he was

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<v Speaker 1>fighting extradition to Sweden in the first place was that

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<v Speaker 1>he saw that as a stepping stone for him getting

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<v Speaker 1>extradited to the United States. In other words, he was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>don't send me to Sweden because they're not really interested

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<v Speaker 1>in pursuing a case against me. There's no case against me.

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<v Speaker 1>They just want to get me so that I can

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<v Speaker 1>then be sent to the United States. So the UK

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<v Speaker 1>authorities took a Sage into custody, and then American lawyers

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<v Speaker 1>delivered a couple of indictments and demanded a Sange be

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<v Speaker 1>extradited to the US to stand trial, which kind of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, goes to report what Assange was saying would

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<v Speaker 1>happen if he had been sent to Sweden in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place. So first up among those indictments was the

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<v Speaker 1>sealed indictment which related back to a league from Chelsea Manning,

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<v Speaker 1>and we learned that this indictment charges a Sange with

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy to commit computer intrusion. That's essentially a a hacker charge,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has a maximum of a five year sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>So while it's a crime, you wouldn't consider it something

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<v Speaker 1>that a country would spend a decade plus pursuing. However,

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<v Speaker 1>closely following that was another indictment, this one including seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>charges against a Sange and stating that he violated the

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<v Speaker 1>Espionage Act of nineteen seventeen. Now, this one is a

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<v Speaker 1>much more serious charge or series of charges, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I should say, and it carries with it a potential

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<v Speaker 1>maximum sentence of more than a hundred fifty years in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's a lot to say about those charges, including

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<v Speaker 1>the implications of what it would mean for journals if

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<v Speaker 1>Assange were found guilty of them, but as of right

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<v Speaker 1>now that's a moot point because the UK judge denied

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<v Speaker 1>the extradition demands. The UK judge stated that Assange is

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<v Speaker 1>not mentally fit for such a thing, that he might

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<v Speaker 1>be a suicide risk were that to go through. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, the request is denied due to concerns

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<v Speaker 1>for the health of the accused. The US can appeal

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<v Speaker 1>this decision, but as of this recording, Assange remains in

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<v Speaker 1>custody in the UK. There have been talks of a

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<v Speaker 1>possible presidential pardon from Donald Trump. That would be interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because it was largely his administration that has pushed for

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<v Speaker 1>the charges under the Espionage Act. The Obama administration chose

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<v Speaker 1>not to do that, largely because of those concerns of

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<v Speaker 1>how it would affect journalists. It's not like they had

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<v Speaker 1>a soft spot for Assange, but more that it was

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<v Speaker 1>hard to justify those charges if journalists would not be

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<v Speaker 1>held to the same measure. I'm sure we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>all lot more to talk about this story later on

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<v Speaker 1>this year. But moving on over at Google, more than

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred employees have signed cards supporting the formation of

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<v Speaker 1>an employee union called the Alphabet Workers Union. Employee union

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<v Speaker 1>is a difficult phrase for me to say, but Alphabet,

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<v Speaker 1>in case you weren't aware, is the name of the

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<v Speaker 1>holding company under which Google sits, along with companies like Weymo.

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<v Speaker 1>The unionization follows several instances and which employees collectively protested

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<v Speaker 1>Google corporate moves from being involved with military projects like

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<v Speaker 1>Project Maven to Google's forced arbitration policy. Now that last

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<v Speaker 1>one is a policy in which Google requires employees to

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<v Speaker 1>first pursue any concerns they might have that could even be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, legal concerns. They have to first pursue them

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<v Speaker 1>internally with Google HR before they can then look to

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<v Speaker 1>external solutions like lead election. This became particularly important when

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Rubin, a former Google executive and father of the

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<v Speaker 1>Android smartphone platform, left Google amid sexual harassment allegations very

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<v Speaker 1>credible ones, while also pocketing a ninety million dollar exit package.

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<v Speaker 1>Membership in the union is being extended or will be extended,

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<v Speaker 1>not just a full time employees, but also Google contractors,

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<v Speaker 1>who lack many of the benefits that full time Googlers have.

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<v Speaker 1>They also represent the bulk of the workforce at Google.

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<v Speaker 1>The plan is for the Alphabet Workers Union to work

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<v Speaker 1>with the Communications Workers of America or c w A

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<v Speaker 1>in order to unionize, and if the process succeeds, Google

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<v Speaker 1>employees will devote a percentage reportedly one per cent of

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<v Speaker 1>their salary or their earnings from the company to union fees,

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<v Speaker 1>which will pay for organization and legal fees, among other things.

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<v Speaker 1>Wings The hope is to put pressure on Google leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>which has been under criticism from multiple parties, both internally

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<v Speaker 1>and externally over the past few years for everything from

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<v Speaker 1>protecting executives from investigations into sexual harassment allegations to suppressing

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<v Speaker 1>employee attempts to organize protests. Next, Tesla just fell short

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<v Speaker 1>of its goal of producing five hundred thousand vehicles in

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<v Speaker 1>even with a global pandemic in play. The company reported

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<v Speaker 1>that it had shipped four hundred thousand, five hundred fifty

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles in the year, and that's pretty impressive. But also

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<v Speaker 1>it's a reminder that Elon Musk was a vocal opponent

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<v Speaker 1>of government measures aimed at reducing the spread of COVID nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>He frequently promoted unscientific statements on Twitter, where he has

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<v Speaker 1>lots of followers, and that's a very polite way of

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<v Speaker 1>saying he was spreading misinformation like crazy, and he did

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<v Speaker 1>that several times about the virus throughout the year. He

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<v Speaker 1>also reopened his Tesla factory early. He defied a county

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<v Speaker 1>order that said that businesses like that were to remain

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<v Speaker 1>locked down and closed, and he just up and up

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<v Speaker 1>said no, we're going to reopen, and it didn't take

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<v Speaker 1>long at all for COVID cases to break out among

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<v Speaker 1>the factory staff. As for Musk, he actually contracted COVID

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<v Speaker 1>as well in November. His case was reportedly a mild one,

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<v Speaker 1>and he perhaps changed his tune a little bit after that.

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<v Speaker 1>So Tesla very nearly made its production goal for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>but one does wonder what the cost of that was.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's switch on over to SpaceX, another company associated with

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk. SpaceX recently announced some interesting plans on how

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<v Speaker 1>the company is going to retrieve the super heavy rockets

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<v Speaker 1>for reuse. Uh So, right now SpaceX launch vehicles used

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<v Speaker 1>Alcon nine boosters, and these boosters have legs on them,

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<v Speaker 1>so the boosters actually will use their thrusters their engines

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<v Speaker 1>to orient themselves vertically and slow their descent and land

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<v Speaker 1>on those legs at the base of the boosters. But

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<v Speaker 1>SpaceX plans for the super heavy boosters to not have legs.

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<v Speaker 1>So how are those going to land safely so that

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<v Speaker 1>they can then be retrieved and prepped for future use. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to come down to the launch tower that's

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<v Speaker 1>used as a stabilizer for when the space vehicle initially

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<v Speaker 1>launches from Earth. If you've ever seen images or been

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<v Speaker 1>at a launch, you've seen, you know, the rocket, the

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<v Speaker 1>thing we think of as a rocket being very close

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<v Speaker 1>to a giant tower, a stabilization tower. That's the secret here.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the booster is returning to Earth after it

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<v Speaker 1>has launched its payload, the tower will help catch the

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<v Speaker 1>returning super heavy booster. The launch vehicle will use its

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<v Speaker 1>engines to orient itself and slow it's descent, just like

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<v Speaker 1>a Falcon nine would. So it's not like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just gonna rush up to the top of the

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<v Speaker 1>tower and put a big old catcher's mid on the

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<v Speaker 1>end of it so that it can, you know, try

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<v Speaker 1>and and catch that pop fly super booster. The arm

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<v Speaker 1>will have a essentially kind of a hook on it

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<v Speaker 1>in order to catch the booster as it descends slowly,

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<v Speaker 1>so the engines on the booster will be engaged, it

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<v Speaker 1>will be descending, and then it will descend next to

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<v Speaker 1>the tower so that the tower can hook on to

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<v Speaker 1>this super booster, and thus it never really touches down

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground. It hangs there at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the the arm on the tower. Now, according to SpaceX.

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<v Speaker 1>The goal is to cut down on the costs of

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<v Speaker 1>building and operating the boosters because they won't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>need that extra material for legs, and it will also

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<v Speaker 1>potentially cut down on the time spent between launches. Now ideally,

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<v Speaker 1>the returning booster could be serviced on the very pad

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<v Speaker 1>that it launched from, prepping it for its next mission.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the company has the ambitious goal of making

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<v Speaker 1>the turnaround time less than an hour between touchdown and

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<v Speaker 1>the next launch, which is crazy. If SpaceX can make

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<v Speaker 1>that work, it would create the opportunity for an unprecedented

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<v Speaker 1>number of space applications, from satellite launches to spacecraft with

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<v Speaker 1>you know, actual human beings aborted. But all of this

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<v Speaker 1>right now is just in the planning stages. The super

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<v Speaker 1>heavy boosters themselves will not be ready for testing until later,

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<v Speaker 1>but it could be a super nifty way for us

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<v Speaker 1>to launch stuff into space and then reuse those very

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<v Speaker 1>expensive boosters. We've got a lot more news, but before

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<v Speaker 1>we get to that, let's take a quick break. Welcome back,

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<v Speaker 1>and now let's all get ready to be terrified as

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<v Speaker 1>we enter a news section I'd like to call I

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<v Speaker 1>just can't hack it because well, all has to do

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<v Speaker 1>with hacking. Now, when it comes to hacks, the Solar

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<v Speaker 1>Winds story just gets worse as time goes on. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>to catch you up, a company called Solar Winds makes

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<v Speaker 1>enterprise level software and it helps customers manage various I assets.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're talking about heavy duty software here, the type

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<v Speaker 1>of thing that would be used by you know, big

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<v Speaker 1>companies or even bigger government agencies and organizations. One of

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<v Speaker 1>those pieces of software is called Orion, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>particularly popular piece of I T management software that thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of Solar Winds customers rely upon, tens of thousands in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>and at some point hackers compromise the Orion software on

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<v Speaker 1>the Solar Winds side, So they managed to infiltrate and

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<v Speaker 1>inject malicious code directly into the Orion code at the

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<v Speaker 1>Solar Winds location. And then that meant that whenever Solar

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<v Speaker 1>Winds would push out an update or a patch to

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<v Speaker 1>its customers, that malicious code went along for the ride. So,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're familiar with typical information security procedure, you know

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<v Speaker 1>it's usually a good idea to install patches when they

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<v Speaker 1>come out because those patches could address security vulnerabilities and

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<v Speaker 1>thus make you less likely to become a target. But

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, a patch would push out the malware

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<v Speaker 1>that would then infect customer systems and give hackers administrative

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<v Speaker 1>level access to their systems. According to Microsoft, a hacker

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<v Speaker 1>could impersonate any of the affected organizations existing users, which

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<v Speaker 1>is yawza. Microsoft said that its own systems were affected

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<v Speaker 1>quote beyond just the presence of malicious solar winds code

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<v Speaker 1>end quote, which does not sound like good news at all.

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<v Speaker 1>What is slightly better is that, according to micro Soft,

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<v Speaker 1>the hackers couldn't actually make changes to critical stuff. They

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<v Speaker 1>could snoop and they could view source code, so they

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<v Speaker 1>could go and look at the source code for various

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft products. Which that's not great news for Microsoft. It

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<v Speaker 1>represents a potentially disastrous existential crisis for the company if

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<v Speaker 1>the source code for their products were to be released, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that could mean that someone else could potentially, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>make their own version of Microsoft products. Well. The company

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<v Speaker 1>has also stated that none of its resources appear to

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<v Speaker 1>have been used by the hackers to attack other targets,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's also some good news. Now. The prevailing theory,

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<v Speaker 1>based on investigations, is that these hacks originated out of Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>and they constitute one of the largest espionage projects ever conducted.

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<v Speaker 1>Affected systems include those belonging to the US Department of

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<v Speaker 1>Homeland Security and the National Institutes of Health, among numerous

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<v Speaker 1>other high profile, highly sensitive department in US government. So

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<v Speaker 1>how is this attack so successful? Well, there are a

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<v Speaker 1>few contributing factors. One is that in an election year,

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<v Speaker 1>much of the US cybersecurity assets were focusing on the election,

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<v Speaker 1>which may have meant fewer assets were available to monitor

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<v Speaker 1>everything else. Another is that the hackers were targeting a

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<v Speaker 1>trusted tool, compromising that tool, and then counting on the

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<v Speaker 1>software supply chain to do all the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>work for them. They didn't have to distribute the malware

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<v Speaker 1>to all their various targets. They hit this one source

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<v Speaker 1>and it did the distribution for them, so they just

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<v Speaker 1>let solar Winds do all the work that way. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course all these companies and agencies had no reason

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<v Speaker 1>to suspect that solar Winds was going to compromise their systems.

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<v Speaker 1>They were a trusted partner. So the hackers themselves are

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<v Speaker 1>really careful, and they were able to escape detection until

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<v Speaker 1>December twenty and we still don't know when this attack

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<v Speaker 1>officially started. It looks like it started at least as

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<v Speaker 1>far back as March, but maybe earlier than that. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how bad the attack was, how how widespread

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<v Speaker 1>it is, and how deeply ingrained it is in various systems,

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it's safe for us to call it really, really,

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<v Speaker 1>really bad. I think that's on track. On Monday, January three,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, T Mobile revealed that it had been the

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<v Speaker 1>target of a security breach. Moreover, the hackers may have

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<v Speaker 1>gained access to sensitive information, including call related information made

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<v Speaker 1>by T Mobile customers. Now, according to the company, this

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<v Speaker 1>breach did not include stuff like customer names or their

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<v Speaker 1>addresses either snail mail or email, or their pen or

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<v Speaker 1>their social Security number or their payment information or other

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<v Speaker 1>supersensitive data that would be really handy if someone had

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<v Speaker 1>the hint of stealing identities, so that part is good

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<v Speaker 1>that that information was not compromised. But at least some accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe as many as two hundred thousand of them, were accessed.

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<v Speaker 1>Now according to T Mobile, the information that was accessible

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<v Speaker 1>may include stuff like phone numbers, number of lines subscribed to,

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<v Speaker 1>and in a small number of cases, some call related

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<v Speaker 1>information collected as part of normal operation and service. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't actually know what that means now. T Mobile has

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<v Speaker 1>a history of security breaches, so this is not great

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<v Speaker 1>news for them. There's currently an investigation into where those

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<v Speaker 1>hacks may have originated, and the company has reached out

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<v Speaker 1>to customers who were affected by this, the people who

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<v Speaker 1>own the accounts that were accessed. Moving on, ticket Master

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<v Speaker 1>is a big ticket sales and distribution company, and it

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<v Speaker 1>has venues as its clients. I often think of myself

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<v Speaker 1>as a ticket Master customer if I'm purchasing something to

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<v Speaker 1>go see a show or whatever, but really the big

0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:10.159
<v Speaker 1>customers for Ticketmaster are the theaters and concert venues and

0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:12.639
<v Speaker 1>things like that. And the way this works is that

0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:16.920
<v Speaker 1>the venues will set aside tickets for Ticketmaster and they

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<v Speaker 1>get to decide what the face price value of those

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<v Speaker 1>tickets are. So if you see a ticket on Ticketmaster,

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<v Speaker 1>know that that price was decided upon by the venue,

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<v Speaker 1>not by Ticketmaster. But Ticketmaster does put in service fees

0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:36.200
<v Speaker 1>that generates revenue for the company. So if you've ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen a ticket where there's crazy high service fees, just

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<v Speaker 1>that's where Ticketmaster's revenue comes in. I have personally seen

0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:48.600
<v Speaker 1>tickets where the service fees were fifty of the ticket price,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is truly ridiculous. Anyway, Ticketmaster was found

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<v Speaker 1>guilty of illegally accessing computer systems belonging to a competitor. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, they were found guilty of hacking. And

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, the competitor was crowd Surge. Live Nation

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<v Speaker 1>that's a Ticketmaster's parent company hired a guy named Stephen

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<v Speaker 1>Meade in two thousand thirteen, and Mead was crowd Surge's

0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:21.720
<v Speaker 1>former general manager of US operations. Mead revealed passwords to

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<v Speaker 1>a tool called artist Toolbox, and that was an app

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<v Speaker 1>that provided real time data about tickets that were being

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<v Speaker 1>sold by crowd Surge. So Ticketmaster had an inside view

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<v Speaker 1>as to crowd surges actual business. Now, according to the charges, quote,

0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Ticketmasters employees brazenly held a division wide summit at which

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<v Speaker 1>the stolen passwords were used to access the victim company's computers,

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<v Speaker 1>as if that were an appropriate business tactic end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Crowd Surge filed the lawsuit against Live Nation, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Ticketmaster's parent company, in so this shows that these cases

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<v Speaker 1>take a real long time to get through the entire

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<v Speaker 1>court system. Ticketmaster was found guilty. They're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to pay a ten million dollar fine, and they also

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<v Speaker 1>have to create and maintain a compliance and ethics program

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<v Speaker 1>to prevent this sort of stuff from happening again in

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<v Speaker 1>the future. Also, the people who were primarily responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>this whole thing are no longer with the company. And

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<v Speaker 1>to round out our hackasan let's talk about Adobe Flash.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember Adobe Flash. It's the browser plug in that

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<v Speaker 1>was designed to allow for more rich web based content

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<v Speaker 1>and experiences. So Flash enabled a lot of that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of rich content stuff like audio and video, and and

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<v Speaker 1>games and other elements that became common on the web.

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<v Speaker 1>But the plug in also became a focal point for

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<v Speaker 1>various criticisms, especially by the time you get to about

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<v Speaker 1>twenty ten or so. And the plug in was also

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<v Speaker 1>owned to expose users to security vulnerabilities, which been it

0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:07.159
<v Speaker 1>offered up chances for hackers to exploit that plug in

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<v Speaker 1>and thus cause mischief. And generally speaking, it's a bad

0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:16.959
<v Speaker 1>idea to install the security vulnerability into your system, as

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<v Speaker 1>all the people who are affected by this Solar Winds

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<v Speaker 1>hack have learned. Now over the past several years, there's

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<v Speaker 1>been a pretty consistent move away from Flash to the

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<v Speaker 1>point that very few sites online still use it. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of them have switched to other tools, primarily HTML five,

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<v Speaker 1>which supports a lot of the functionality of Flash, so

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<v Speaker 1>you could build out web tools and web features that

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<v Speaker 1>did the same thing Flash did, but without having to

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<v Speaker 1>actually use the plug in in. Adobe announced it was

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<v Speaker 1>going to end support for the Flash player by the

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<v Speaker 1>end of twenty looking at my calendar, it is now so.

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<v Speaker 1>Adobe says it will block content from running in Flash

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<v Speaker 1>players starting on January twelve of this year, and Adobe

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<v Speaker 1>also urges all users who have the Flash browser plug

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<v Speaker 1>in to uninstall it on their computers because it will

0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:18.360
<v Speaker 1>at that point only represent a potential open door for hackers.

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<v Speaker 1>There will be no legitimate use for Flash at that stage. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we've gotten through the hacking news for this Tuesday. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>move on to something else after we take this quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's wrap up our first tech stuff news episode with

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<v Speaker 1>a few eclectic items, and we're gonna go back to Microsoft.

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<v Speaker 1>So besides the fact that they're dealing with the solar

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<v Speaker 1>winds problem, which I'm not gonna go back into, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the bummer, right, Microsoft has planned a revamp for Windows, apparently,

0:24:59.760 --> 0:25:03.400
<v Speaker 1>not that the company has necessarily said anything officially. However,

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<v Speaker 1>The Verge reported that a job listing on Microsoft's site

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<v Speaker 1>would be the source of this big piece of news,

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<v Speaker 1>and that job listing, which was for a software engineer, says, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>on this team, you'll work with our key platform Surface

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<v Speaker 1>and O e M partners to orchestrate and deliver a

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<v Speaker 1>sweeping visual rejuvenation of Windows experiences, to signal to our

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<v Speaker 1>customers that Windows is back, and ensure that Windows is

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<v Speaker 1>considered the best user OS experience for customers. End quote. Now,

0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they should call to come back. Windows

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<v Speaker 1>has been here for years, so I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>the ladies love Windows. Interestingly, it's kind of cool and

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>weird to see Microsoft really turn its attention two Windows.

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry Nixon once called Windows tend the quote last version

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<v Speaker 1>of Windows end quote, meaning that Microsoft would push out

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<v Speaker 1>updates to that OS over time, but Windows ten would

0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:09.520
<v Speaker 1>just remain the official operating system of Microsoft, rather than

0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:13.080
<v Speaker 1>going with an all new version. So this story seems

0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:16.639
<v Speaker 1>to support that because we're not talking about Windows eleven,

0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:21.360
<v Speaker 1>so that to me is kind of fascinating. Various reports

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:24.480
<v Speaker 1>say that Microsoft is planning some changes to the user

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:28.200
<v Speaker 1>interface of Windows ten and to modernize it. Now, here's

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<v Speaker 1>hoping that they make changes in a way that doesn't

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 1>totally alienate the user base. I find that most users

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:39.160
<v Speaker 1>tend to despise change, even if the changes are good ones.

0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:42.680
<v Speaker 1>But often they are not good ones. I think about

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<v Speaker 1>every time that Microsoft has tried to make a bold

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:50.040
<v Speaker 1>move from a UI perspective, it frequently gets a lot

0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>of pushback. Now, sometimes those implementations are just not great.

0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Windows Vista was a problem. Windows eight, A lot of

0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:01.840
<v Speaker 1>people really hated a specially the tiles version, which seemed

0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:06.160
<v Speaker 1>to be more geared toward a touch screen experience. And

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about you, but I still primarily interact

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:13.239
<v Speaker 1>with my computers using a keyboard and mouse, not a

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 1>touch screen. So here's hoping that this revamped look for

0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:21.399
<v Speaker 1>Windows is not going to make some similar missteps, and

0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 1>that what we get our actual genuine improvements. That's my hope. Microsoft,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, has said that they are doing this,

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<v Speaker 1>or rather analysts have said Microsoft is doing this largely

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>because there was an uptick in Windows use during the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a big surprise there as people started to turn

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<v Speaker 1>to their computers to access more stuff in what I

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:50.919
<v Speaker 1>am told is the outside world. I assume it still exists.

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 1>I just haven't seen it in a long time. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So our next story is about Netflix and Amazon Prime

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 1>and other streaming po platforms in India. So these platforms

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 1>have really given Indian filmmakers and series creators a new

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:10.719
<v Speaker 1>outlet and a new way to reach audiences, not just

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 1>within India but beyond. Amazon Prime recently reported that one

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 1>fifth of all the people who are watching content that's

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 1>originating from India are actually outside of India. So, in

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:27.680
<v Speaker 1>other words, Indian series and Indian movies are being watched

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 1>by people outside of India of the time, which is

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. That extended reach also means that more series

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 1>from India and more films from India are being recognized

0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:44.240
<v Speaker 1>by awards organizations. You know know, they're getting some critical reception

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 1>that otherwise they never would get. It be very insular

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 1>where most of the the cinema and series out of

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:55.440
<v Speaker 1>India remain in India, so that's kind of neat. But

0:28:55.840 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 1>Indian television and cinema is also highly controlled in that country.

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<v Speaker 1>The Indian government has strict regulations in place and those

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<v Speaker 1>put incredible restrictions on what filmmakers and series makers can show.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of stuff they are not allowed to do,

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 1>and the streaming platforms were not subject to those regulations.

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Once again, we see technology outpacing the legal system. It

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 1>doesn't just happen here in the United States, happens everywhere,

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 1>and so the platforms became a place where people could

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 1>tell stories that otherwise they would be unable to tell

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 1>in traditional media because of those restrictions. However, that inevitably

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 1>drew criticism from people who said that that kind of

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 1>content was harmful to Indian society, essentially saying, you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff that we've already told TV and movies they

0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 1>can't do because we think it's harmful, so we have

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<v Speaker 1>to stop you now too. In November of the government

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 1>declared that streaming services should fall under the same sort

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 1>of regular lations as traditional media. In India, the streaming

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 1>platforms kind of banded together. You know, normally they compete

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 1>against one another. They don't necessarily want anyone else to

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 1>do as well as they're doing. However, this is an

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<v Speaker 1>act of self preservation. They want the government to allow

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<v Speaker 1>them to adopt a self regulation code and then use

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<v Speaker 1>that rather than government intervention. So this would be similar

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<v Speaker 1>to stuff like the m P A A or the

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<v Speaker 1>E S R B for video games. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of having an industry regulate itself and protecting itself

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<v Speaker 1>from government intervention. I don't know if that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>work out. We'll have to keep an eye on this

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<v Speaker 1>and see how the story progresses. Now, how about a

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 1>little bit of Atari. And that was a big Autari

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 1>fan growing up in the early eighties. Atari was synonymous

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>with video games. The Atari twenty video game console was

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<v Speaker 1>a breakout success. One of my favorite memories as a

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>kid as playing on my old Attari. But the video

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 1>game Crash really did a serious number on Atari. The

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 1>company would split into two, with different parts going to

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 1>different owners, and the Attari of today is not really

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 1>related to that Attari of the late seventies and early eighties.

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>It's more of a product of various companies purchasing the

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:29.960
<v Speaker 1>brand name of Atari and then selling it or going

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 1>bankrupt and some other entity comes in and swoops it up.

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 1>It's more like that, So it's more like the name

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<v Speaker 1>exists and it can still be stamped on two different products.

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 1>And some of the intellectual property still belongs to the

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Atari brand. But it's a very different company today than

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 1>what it was in the eighties. Back in Atari was

0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>in bankruptcy, but since then it has made a nice

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 1>little recovery. In it reported a two point four million

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 1>dollar profit. It made thirty million in revenue, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>not too bad, but much of that profit is dependent

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:09.600
<v Speaker 1>upon video game licenses that are set to expire before

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 1>too long, so they're looking ahead to say what do

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 1>we do next in order to remain a viable company. Uh.

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Today Atari is a very modest company. There's something like

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:24.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty eight employees there, and it announced things like the

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 1>VCS console in which was a throwback to the Ayred.

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 1>It looks a lot like the Atari twenty. However, it

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<v Speaker 1>can play not just classic games, like classic Atari titles,

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 1>it can also stream modern games, so think of something

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:43.880
<v Speaker 1>like Google Stadium, but in an Atari twenty form factor.

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 1>And reportedly it can stream games of four K resolution

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 1>at sixty frames per second, assuming you've got the pipes

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 1>big enough for that kind of Internet activity. And that's

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 1>a big step up from the old twenty six hundred days.

0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 1>I can't even begin to stress that these consoles finally

0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 1>started shipping in after a couple of big delays on

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 1>the horizon. Attari has made a licensing deal with a

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 1>hotel chain to develop Atari themed hotels in eight different markets,

0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 1>probably looking at twenty two as the earliest date for

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:20.960
<v Speaker 1>those to start to open, which not a big surprise.

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>The pandemic has had an enormous impact on construction, not

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 1>to mention travel and hospitality. But the idea is that

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:34.480
<v Speaker 1>these hotels will convey that retro sense of gaming that

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Atari evokes, and that gaming will be worked into the

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 1>themes of the hotel. I assume you would even be

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>playing games in your hotel room. I can't imagine going

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 1>to an Atari themed hotel and not having that capability

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 1>built into the entertainment system. So that'll be really interesting

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 1>to see. And maybe this is the start of a

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>new era in Atari his tree, which would be pretty cool.

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 1>And our last story is about Epic Games, the company

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 1>that is behind the incredible success Fortnite. Uh this is

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:17.800
<v Speaker 1>not another story about Epic versus Apple or Epic versus Google. Instead,

0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 1>it's Epic versus the mall, or rather Epic and the Mall,

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 1>so Epic Games is taking control of a shopping mall

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:31.280
<v Speaker 1>in Carrie, North Carolina, and it's called the Carrie Town Center.

0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 1>And the idea here is that Epic is going to

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:38.000
<v Speaker 1>turn this into their headquarters for Epic Games. And the

0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:41.760
<v Speaker 1>long term plan is for this to open by twenty

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:45.759
<v Speaker 1>four and it will have offices in it, it will

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 1>have recreational spaces in it. At the time that I'm

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 1>recording this, there aren't any like artist renditions of what

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 1>it's going to look like or anything yet. But the

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:59.920
<v Speaker 1>idea is to convert this dormant space into something useful,

0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>and that's really important. I mean, malls have been in

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 1>a serious decline even before we had the pandemic, with

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:09.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, more people turning to online shopping and other

0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:13.920
<v Speaker 1>means of shopping for stuff. Then the pandemic of course

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 1>made that way worse. It created an environment where in

0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 1>person shopping is frankly dangerous. So as a result, many

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:27.240
<v Speaker 1>malls are becoming waste lands, and shops can't afford to

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 1>maintain a space in a place where people can't go anyway,

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 1>So a lot of of the customers of malls, the

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 1>stores are closing down or at least removing their presence

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 1>from malls around the country. Some malls and shopping centers

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:47.319
<v Speaker 1>near me were already practically empty well before the pandemic hit,

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 1>just that the economics of shopping had changed so much

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:54.040
<v Speaker 1>that it didn't make sense to maintain the space there.

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:57.440
<v Speaker 1>So then the question rises, what do you do with

0:35:57.520 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 1>this real estate? How do you pivot to putting it

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 1>to good use so that it isn't just a blight

0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 1>on communities and epic games. Taking over this mall to

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 1>turn it into a headquarters is one way that we're

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 1>seeing that kind of stuff happen. It's interesting to me

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 1>because we've also talked about how things like autonomous cars

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 1>if they ever do become a practical reality, and there

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:28.240
<v Speaker 1>are fleets of autonomous cars operating kind of like uber

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:31.440
<v Speaker 1>or lift or a taxi cab service. What do you

0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 1>do once those have reached a level of saturation that

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:39.520
<v Speaker 1>people no longer really worry about a personal vehicle, so

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 1>there's no longer a need for stuff like parking lots.

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:44.840
<v Speaker 1>What do you do with that space? How do you

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.680
<v Speaker 1>reclaim it? It's kind of interesting that we're seeing this

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:51.800
<v Speaker 1>play out in the space of malls right now, because

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 1>it's it's perhaps going to teach us some lessons of

0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 1>good things to do versus mistakes to avoid that we

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.319
<v Speaker 1>might apply in the future. And now that we're in

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 1>a world where a lot of people are working from

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 1>home and a lot of companies are determined to keep

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:10.879
<v Speaker 1>that going even after we have gotten to the other

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 1>side of the pandemic, these are questions that we have

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:17.880
<v Speaker 1>to continually revisit because we don't want all that space

0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 1>to just go to waste. That would be a real shame.

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 1>But how do you make the best use of it

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 1>in a way that's responsible and actually adds value. These

0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:30.279
<v Speaker 1>are the sort of questions we're gonna be asking and

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>answering over the next couple of years, I would imagine,

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:38.360
<v Speaker 1>and maybe we'll see other types of reimagining of spaces,

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:42.920
<v Speaker 1>allah epic games taking over a mall. I guess that's

0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:46.319
<v Speaker 1>my way of saying that my hope is to one

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 1>day take over a large, previously occupied space and turn

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:55.840
<v Speaker 1>it into a big paintball UH facility so that people

0:37:55.920 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 1>can do their own versions of counter Strike in person,

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.799
<v Speaker 1>and because I'm a kid at heart, all right. That

0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:08.360
<v Speaker 1>wraps up our first episode of tech News Headlines for

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0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:17.680
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0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:21.360
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0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:29.920
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