1 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: Billy Show is presented by Fox One. It's Friday, October seventeen, 2 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Right there on the right, Ruben Tomorrow, 3 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: Junior Jem Soulisbury, I'm Todd z Aleucky Phillies President of 4 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: Baseball Operations Dave Dombrowski and Phillies manager Rob Thompson offered 5 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: their first real thoughts on the future of the Phillies 6 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: following last week's exit and the NLDS change is coming. Yes, 7 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: big changes coming. Maybe let's talk about it. It's time 8 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: for the park's first pitch. First pitch is brought to 9 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: us exclusively by our partners at Parks Casino, Pennsylvania's number 10 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: one casino. So Dave Debrowski guys talked for almost. 11 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: An hour on Thursday. 12 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: It was one of the longest season ending rap raps 13 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: I've ever been a part of and covered a lot 14 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: of ground. Talked about a lot of things. Everybody wants 15 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: to know. 16 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: You're gonna shake it up. 17 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: They're gonna stand Pat running it back is now the 18 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: new catchphrase, right, They're gonna run it back. 19 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 2: Back in the day was Stan Pat Right, Ruben, you remember. 20 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: That Pat Pat Gillick Stan Wonder World Series. 21 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: Stan pat Pack, Gillick wins the World Series. Now it's 22 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: running it back. Jim, you were there, What jumped out 23 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: at you about Dave's comments? 24 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 3: A lot? 25 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 4: There were, there were many, many bullet points, but my 26 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 4: my big takeaway was he still believes that he has 27 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 4: a championship corps and that yeah, they're gonna do some 28 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 4: tweak in and some changing and try to improve. But 29 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 4: how big those changes are We're gonna find out, because 30 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 4: so much hinges on their own, two in house free 31 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 4: agents in Schwarber, in Real Mudo. But he still believes 32 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 4: in the core, and it's about how this core performs. 33 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 4: He he he said he has a team that's gonna 34 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 4: come there next year and compete for world Championship. I 35 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 4: think was something that was kind of the quote. And 36 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 4: by expressing his faith in the team, I think he 37 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 4: is basically saying, you know, the guys we got here 38 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 4: are good enough. They just need to perform. And at 39 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 4: one point in the news conference, I thought he kind 40 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 4: of laid down a challenge for Bryce Harper, which we 41 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 4: can get into later. But you know, I didn't, I'm 42 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 4: not I didn't walk out of They're thinking that they're 43 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 4: gonna blow this thing up or that they're going to 44 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 4: have a huge remake, and I think they're gonna it's 45 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 4: gonna the team that they show up with, in clear word, 46 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 4: is gonna look a lot like this one. There'll be 47 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 4: some changes, there'll be some substractions, there'll be a couple 48 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 4: of young guys compete for jobs. But the fate, the 49 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 4: October fate of this team is still going to be 50 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 4: reliant on the big boys in the lineup that we're 51 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 4: here this year and the starting pitching stuff that they're 52 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 4: going to be bringing back, probably minus Ranger. 53 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 3: So let me just let me make these comments as 54 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 3: an ex GM and have some people understand the process 55 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: a little bit from the perspective of being in the 56 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: front office and having to make these decisions. You're a 57 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: little bit like a president or a politician or a 58 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 3: senator or whatever you want to call it. You cannot 59 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 3: lay all your cards on the table because there's a 60 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 3: lot of things factors that are associated with making some 61 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: of these decisions. One, you want to you know, you 62 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 3: want to maintain value of your players. So you can't 63 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 3: say I'm going to move this guy and I'm going 64 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,799 Speaker 3: to change this and I'm going to change that because 65 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: you devalue the the assets that you have. So that's 66 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: one part of it. The other part of it is 67 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 3: that you don't necessarily want to tell the whole world 68 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: because you may have a different strategy or may have 69 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: a totally different strategy than you're actually showing the world. 70 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: You don't want to tell everybody all the things that 71 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 3: you want to do, because then that also makes it 72 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 3: more difficult to do the things you want to do. 73 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: So there's a there is a fine line between being 74 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: open and honest with the public and making sure that 75 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: they understand. 76 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: X. 77 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 3: But there's also that fine line with making sure that 78 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 3: you don't devalue some of the players and some of 79 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 3: the assets that you have such that when you try 80 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 3: to make change that you can still get value back 81 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: for them and make change in a positive way. 82 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: So what you're saying, Reuben is that he's not gonna 83 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: come out. He didn't wasn't going to come out on 84 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: Thursday and say, listen, guys, okay, we're going to try 85 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: to trade Alec Boum again. If we can get something 86 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: for him. We're gonna try to Alec Boum. And I'm 87 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: telling it right now. We're gonna go on the off 88 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: season very open minded about the outfit. We can have 89 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: three new outfielders on opening day. Nick cast As is 90 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: not coming back, although he kind of hinted at it 91 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: in a sense what I thought, and I don't expect 92 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: him back. 93 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: We could have a new center fielder. 94 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: We could have Justin Crawford playing left field, and because 95 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: we have Justin Crawford, maybe we trade Brandon Marsh. 96 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: He's not gonna say all that. 97 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 5: You can't come out and say those things because you 98 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 5: basically devalue your own players. 99 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: Maybe other teams and have that that that value these 100 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 3: other players, but you don't want to devalue them, and 101 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 3: you want to make sure that you maximize your ability 102 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 3: to make the moves that you need to make with 103 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 3: the betterment of your organization. That's your job. 104 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 4: And they may not have even you know, they I'm 105 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 4: sure they have a bunch of different potential roadmaps. They 106 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 4: might not have a a hard and fast roadmap yet, 107 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 4: and I would offer Lozardo as proof of that. I 108 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 4: don't think they went into last offseason saying we're gonna 109 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 4: get Hasel Soizardo. I'm not sure they went into the 110 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 4: last offseason saying we're going to try to improve our 111 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 4: starting rotation because they had a good rotation. 112 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 3: They liked it. 113 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 4: But that was that was something an opportunity that presented 114 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 4: itself in December, and they were able to pounce on it. 115 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 4: So you don't know what's gonna pop up in front 116 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 4: of you. I don't know that they have a a 117 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 4: like I said, a hard and fast roadmap yet, but 118 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 4: I'm sure they have some ideas. There were some things 119 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 4: that he was guarded about. 120 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: Todd. 121 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 4: You asked him about can you get out and spend 122 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 4: more money on free agency? And he said, I don't 123 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: know that I would answer that even if I could, 124 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 4: But he also said because he didn't want to tip 125 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 4: his hand. 126 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: But he also said, we're not going to have a 127 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: four hundred million dollar payroll. So I. 128 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 4: Was able to glean some stuff out of that. But 129 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 4: if you just know the roster, the inflexibility of the roster, 130 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 4: the no trade closes, the high contracts, the huge contracts, 131 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 4: the age of some of these guys, the point in 132 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 4: their career where some of them are declining, you know 133 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 4: it's going to be hard to have it all out 134 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 4: shake up of this team. So when I come out 135 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 4: of there thinking that there will be changes, But I 136 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 4: don't know that they're going to be significant changes. And 137 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 4: I hear him say he believes in this core. I 138 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 4: tend to think this team is going to resemble what 139 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 4: it looked like. You know, we get to clear what 140 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 4: it's going to resemble the team that just was eliminated 141 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 4: last week. I think there'll be changes around the edges. 142 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 4: I think there'll be some changes, but I think it's 143 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 4: going to look similar. The deciding factor, whether it's it's 144 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 4: very different at all, is what happens with those in 145 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 4: house free agents. 146 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, if you re signed Kyle Schwarber and JT, 147 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: which they want to do because they're the best options. 148 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: There's not anybody better than Kyle Schwarber on the market 149 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: in my opinion, to be DH next season. And we've 150 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: talked about this on Monday and Wednesday. There's and nobody 151 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: better on the market to replace JT. He's thirty five, 152 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: not a great year offensively, but. 153 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 4: But if you don't get them back, you're going to 154 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 4: have budget to spend, and now different guys will come in, 155 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 4: And yes, there's some changes. Are they better, are they worse? 156 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 4: What kind of changes I don't know, but then things 157 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 4: could look significantly different if those guys. 158 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 3: Don't come back, you know. 159 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: Dave Dombrowski did say that he didn't want to confirm it, 160 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: but he said he would be very surprised if Jose 161 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: Alvarado is not back next season. 162 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 2: So it's certainly sounds like they will either pick up. 163 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: The nine million dollar club option or they you know, 164 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: I guess Rubens, sometimes you guys. 165 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: Would do this. 166 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: You'd maybe make out a deal for a little bit 167 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: less or something. But I would expect maybe they probably 168 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: pick up that nine million dollar club option. 169 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: So he's back. 170 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: And he also talked a lot about the youngsters, Justin Crawford, 171 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: Andrew Painter. He mentioned Otto Kemp, He mentioned Gabriel Rinconas 172 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: Junior is a guy that can hit right handed pitching. 173 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: He mentioned Aiden Miller at some point. So it sounds 174 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: like those guys, I mean, will definitely be in the mix. 175 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: It's you know, I would go and I would feel 176 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: pretty good thinking that Justin Crawford and Andrew Painter are 177 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: going to make this team out of out of spring training, 178 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: fight a couple hundred bucks to spend. 179 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: And don't be surprised if Aden Miller, even he may 180 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 3: not be quite ready. He might be also a piece. 181 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: I mean, who knows a lot of it depends on 182 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: who they move, what assets they have, how they can, 183 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 3: you know, what they can do in the offseason. 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He was basically said, you 242 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: know for BEDA, yeah, Bryce, Bryce, you know, so let's 243 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: a little background. Bryce hit two sixty one this season, 244 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: twenty seven homers, seventy five RBIs in eight forty four OPS. Now, 245 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: that ops was twenty second best out of all qualified 246 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: editors in baseball, but it was his lowest OPS since 247 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, and he had his lowest OPS plus since 248 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. 249 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: So here's what Dave said when he asked. 250 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: About, you know, Bryce's season, he said, he's still a 251 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: quality player. He's still an all Star caliber player. He 252 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: didn't have an elite season like he has had in 253 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: the past, and I guess we only find out if 254 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: he becomes elite or he continues to be good. If 255 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: you look around the league, I think Freddie Freeman, he's 256 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: a really good player, right, he still is a good player. 257 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: Is he elite like he was before? Probably not to 258 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: the same extent. Freddy is a tremendous player, and that 259 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: to me is Bryce, can he rise to the next level? Again, 260 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: I don't really. 261 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 2: Know that answer. 262 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: He's the one that will dictate that more than anything 263 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: anything else. I don't think he's content with the year 264 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: that he had, and again, it wasn't a bad year. 265 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: But when you think of Bryce Harper, you think of elite, right, 266 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: you think of one of the top ten players in baseball, 267 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: And I don't think it fit into that category. But again, 268 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: very good player. I've seen guys at his age again, 269 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: he's not old that level. 270 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: Off, or I've seen guys rise again. What does that 271 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: sound like? 272 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 3: Very interesting? Yeah, good challenge. 273 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 4: It struck me. It struck me as a challenge. Not 274 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 4: sure if it was premeditated. It was a very good 275 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 4: question by the koaw Matt gil He said, was it 276 00:14:54,520 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 4: a down year the start of a down turn in 277 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 4: a career? And that was Dave's answer, and I thought 278 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 4: it was I thought it was remarkable and it fits 279 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 4: into what kind of what he You know, I took 280 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 4: out of the press conference that there's still going to 281 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 4: be relying on that main core and they need that 282 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 4: main corps to perform under the bright lights and need 283 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 4: that main core to be to take them where they 284 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 4: want to go. And it just sounded like a bit 285 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 4: of a challenge for one of the main guys in 286 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 4: that main core, Bryce Harper. You know how, we'll see 287 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 4: how he responds. He'll determine it. Still a good player, 288 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 4: but you know not or a season wouldn't qualify as elite. 289 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 4: I just thought it was a challenge. What does it 290 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 4: sound like you. 291 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 3: Rubin yeah, really interesting quotes. I think he was just 292 00:15:52,240 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: being honest. Guys bother time, guess what, undefeated still and 293 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that bright. I mean, he's been in 294 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: the league a long time, he's not. Is he at 295 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 3: his peak? Maybe not, but he's still a really excellent 296 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 3: producer in the major leagues, no question about it. Is 297 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 3: he a top five? Is he a top three? Is 298 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 3: he at the level of the Aaron Judges and the 299 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: shohey Otani's of the world. I mean the ops. You know, 300 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 3: the numbers don't lie. Now, He's had to deal with 301 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 3: some injury issues, position change, a lot of different stuff. 302 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 3: But I mean, I guess there is a question as 303 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: to whether or not he can get to that level. Again, 304 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 3: I don't think that it's it that it can necessarily 305 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 3: not happen. I think that he can. And it was 306 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: just an interesting discussion that Dombrowski had about it. Does 307 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 3: it sound like a challenge maybe a little bit. At 308 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 3: the same time, I think he was just being honest. 309 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 3: I think you were saying, hey, really great player, maybe 310 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 3: not an elite player, and it's going to be incumbent 311 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 3: upon other players to step forward and to do their 312 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 3: jobs too. When you know, the World championship. 313 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,719 Speaker 8: When you win a world championship, it's not about the 314 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 8: twenty it's not about three people, it's not about four players. 315 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 8: It's about twenty six. He used to be twenty five. 316 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: Now it's twenty six and even more than that, particularly 317 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 3: over one hundred and sixty two game schedules. So I mean, 318 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 3: it's not just about Bryce Harper. It's about everybody contributing, 319 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 3: and it's pretty clear that other people are gonna have 320 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 3: to step up. If people's production start to drop off, 321 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: then others are gonna have to pick it up. And 322 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 3: that's where I think the young players being infused into 323 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: this organization at the major league level, is it gonna 324 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 3: be something that's going to be fascinating to watch. 325 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 4: Does so much GM speak at these podium news conferences, 326 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 4: podium interview sessions. 327 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 3: I never did GM speed. 328 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 4: It was kind of remarkable to hear what sounded like 329 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 4: what I took in some real candor, right because it 330 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 4: would have been easy for him to slough it off 331 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 4: on injuries and and uh oh Bryce will be fine, 332 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah blah. He he dove in a 333 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 4: little bit. I thought it was kind of remarkable. 334 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: Somebody did ask him about Bryce's wrist and that that 335 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: question keeps coming up because when they clinched the NL 336 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: East at Dodger Stadium, I remember talking to John Milton 337 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: about Bryce He's like and then Bryce was playing He's 338 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: been playing with a serious risk issue all season long, 339 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: or you know, for most of the season. And then Jim, 340 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, Kevin Long mentioned the risk as well, 341 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: and he was on our show during the bye week. 342 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 4: So but then, but he used that as a springboard 343 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 4: to say what a good season Bryce. 344 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: Had, right because of the risk. 345 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 4: He didn't have an elite season. 346 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,959 Speaker 1: Because of the risk, because the risk keeps coming up. 347 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: But then you talk to them and they said, no, 348 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: he's fully healthy. There's it's not it's a non issue. 349 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: He went into the off season one hundred percent healthy, 350 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: no risk issues. So I don't know what what the 351 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: truth is there you talk about challenges. It was also 352 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: interesting Rob what Rob Thompson said about Bryce. 353 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 2: He said, I he is going into this. 354 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: Postseason or this off season very motivated to have the 355 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: best year of his career next year. 356 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 2: It was something along those lines. 357 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: So maybe Bryce expressed the fact that I am very 358 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: unhappy with the play the way I played this year, 359 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: and I'm going to come back with a vengeance. If so, 360 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: great great. 361 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with that, I will say, I will say 362 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 3: something about it. I do have some history, and I 363 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 3: know a little bit about the you know, the risk 364 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 3: and the issue. Not his in particular, but risks and 365 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 3: backs are similar in that you just don't know how 366 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 3: much it can affect your day to day process and production. 367 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 3: Risks are really super tricky, especially with hitters, because what's 368 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 3: the one thing that holds the back your hand, what 369 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 3: is manipulating you know, the back your wrists. If you 370 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 3: don't have that and you're not one hundred percent, it 371 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 3: makes a huge difference. Same thing with your back and 372 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 3: your core. If you don't have your back, you can't 373 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 3: play sports. It's as simple as that. And so you 374 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 3: have that combination. And in some ways, I'm not saying 375 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 3: that that Bryce necessarily had back issues. I'm just saying 376 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: those are the issues that can cause real changes in 377 00:20:55,119 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 3: your ability to produce at the level that we respect 378 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 3: of those players. So it is something to think about. 379 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: I went and looked at because now you can measure 380 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: bat speed. There's a stack caast can actually measure bat speed. 381 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: So I went and looked at Bryce Harper's bat speed 382 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: this season. His bat speed seventy four point two miles 383 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: an hour. That's in the eighty first percent tile of 384 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: all hitters in baseball. Now, that's that's the ninth top 385 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: ninety percent of your swing. So if you take a 386 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: check swing, they throw that out. So seventy four point 387 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: two miles an hour. Last season, it was seventy four 388 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: miles an hour eighty first percent hole. So it's virtually 389 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: unchanged from last season two years ago was seventy five 390 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: to five. But anyway, expected batting average this season to 391 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: eighty last. 392 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: Year two sixty seven. 393 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: Expected slugging this season five to twelve last season four 394 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: to seventy four. His exit villa was almost exactly the same, 395 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: ninety one point three miles an hour this year ninety 396 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: one point one miles an hour last year. Hard hit 397 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: rate about the same forty seven and a half percent 398 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: this year to forty eight point two percent last year. 399 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 2: So you don't see like if you look at if. 400 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: You if you look at like Nick Cassian's page on 401 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 1: if you go to Baseball Savant and you can toggle 402 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: through the seasons. You can see the numbers go from 403 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: like dark red, which is elite, to like blues, light 404 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: blues and blues, which is on the wrong end. Bryce 405 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: still has a lot of red. So I just wanted 406 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: to point that out. 407 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 2: It's not like you're going to as. 408 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 3: He's physically not able to produce the bat speed and 409 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 3: the and the characteristic set would right, Uh you know 410 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 3: what would make him be an elite type player. I 411 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 3: get it, Yeah, get it. 412 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 2: So. 413 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: And then one other thing that he said, and I 414 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: asked this just because we kind of brought it up 415 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: on I think it was Monday, just as you talk 416 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: about ways to get creative, I said. I asked, Dave, 417 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: is there any shot that you would think about moving 418 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: Bryce into the outfield if the right piece came along? 419 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: And I couched by saying, you know, Bryce did satan 420 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: spring training. 421 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: He did say at mid. 422 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: Season, but he also said, listen, for short term, I 423 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: would move out to the outfit, but I really do 424 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: want to stay at first base long term. I don't 425 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: see myself my days of running around in right field 426 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: for the next three or four years. 427 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: Are probably over. 428 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: And as as we suspected, Dave said, uh, he's gonna stay. 429 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: He's going to stay at first base Gold Glove finalists. 430 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: So so there you go. 431 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 3: Okay, so he's so we're not signing Pete Alonso unless 432 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 3: they do not sign and they make him a deep right. 433 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 2: That sounds like it's right, right, yeah. 434 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 3: I mean that's in a I mean, that's it in 435 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 3: a nutshell. 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Fox one. 473 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: A few more things I wanted to touch on, guys. 474 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 2: Payroll, payroll. Dave talked about the payroll a little bit. 475 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: The Phillies had the fourth highest payroll in baseball in 476 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five at two hundred and ninety million dollars. 477 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 2: That's according to sport Track, but. 478 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 4: It was three thirteen for luxury tax. 479 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, three thirteen for luxury tax purposes. So uh. 480 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: And then Dave talked about He said, John is very 481 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: supportive of that high payroll. He said, we had a 482 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: good club with a lot of good players, but you 483 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: don't have unlimited money. I don't think we're going to 484 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: have a four hundred million dollar payroll, which Jim mentioned earlier. 485 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: I just don't think that that's a practicality. But we 486 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: will be open minded to get better, make a move. 487 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 2: So my question is. 488 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: Say they can get Schwarber and JT, it falls into 489 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: their laps. JT says, you know, I'll come back in 490 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: a three year deal. Giants buster and Buster and the 491 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: Giants want four. But I'm comfortable here. I got my 492 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: house and I live in clear Water. 493 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 2: Let's stay in Philly. 494 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: Schwarber says, I don't want to go back to the Cubs, 495 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, I want to stay here. I want to 496 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: finish the job in Philadelphia. Signs a five year deal. 497 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 2: Do they have any money left to do anything else? 498 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: Are they going to go? Are they going to do 499 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 2: what they did last year? And hey, let's be honest. 500 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 2: Three free agents last year one year deals, Max Kepler, 501 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: Jordan Romano, Joe Ross. None of them worked out. 502 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Max Kepler was okay down the stretch, but 503 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 1: not what you expected out of him. They remember, they 504 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: they pumped him up as an everyday player and left 505 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: field and far from it. 506 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 4: So the def Todd that was the only definitive thing 507 00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 4: that came out of the news conference. 508 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: What's that? 509 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 4: No Kepler? 510 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 2: Oh no, kep You're right. Yeah, he did say Kepler 511 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 2: will not be back because we have justin Crawford. 512 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 4: That was the one ironclad definitive, yes, bullet. 513 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 2: Point right, yeah, Max Kepler. 514 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 4: Well, everything else there was a little you know. 515 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: We didn't ask him about Jordan Romano though, Joe and 516 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: Jim and fairness. 517 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 3: I think there was a final. 518 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 4: Complete Yeah, yeah, nice French use for French phrase. 519 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I used to go to Stanford, So I 520 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 3: think the I think it is important for for the 521 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 3: Phillies to do a couple of things. Obviously you don't want. 522 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 10: To run it back again, but he also got to 523 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 10: start infusing some young players. And I would not be 524 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 10: at all surprised that Aiden Miller is not part of 525 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 10: the equation. Sounds crazy, but I've watched Dave Dombrowski give 526 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 10: guys like Andrew Bennettendi after being in the minor leagues 527 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 10: for like a year or a year and a half 528 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 10: or not even straight to the big leagues in Boston 529 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 10: on a team that was supposed to content and did 530 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 10: content and just threw them to the big leagues. So 531 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 10: he's not afraid like people talk about. 532 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 3: And this is what disappoints me a little bit about 533 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 3: the fan base is that they think that David Emboski 534 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 3: won't move guys to the big leagues, young players to 535 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 3: the big He's not afraid to do that. 536 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 4: Well, they were ready to do it with Crawford until 537 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 4: Crawford was coming, until Marsh kind of turned it on 538 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 4: this year. 539 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 3: Right and listen. They he's not afraid to do it. 540 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 3: He don't do it, but he also has to make 541 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 3: sure that these guys are ready to do it. 542 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 4: And can I ask you guys, Can I ask you guys? 543 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 4: Can I ask you guys a question? And I guess 544 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think it'll happen because I think 545 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 4: they value their own prospects. In this case, the two 546 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 4: guys are referring to. I think they really valu you 547 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 4: them a lot, and they're close to the big leagues. 548 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 4: And times have changed over the last year and a half. 549 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 4: But once upon a time, Miller and Crawford were in 550 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 4: play for Crochet, and now the Detroit Tires may move 551 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 4: Terrek Scooble. I know, starting pitching is not this team's 552 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 4: big need, and it would be like guilding a lily, 553 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 4: But oh boy, what did you think about it? 554 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 2: I would think about it, Sure. 555 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 3: You wouldn't think about it. I wouldn't think about it. 556 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 3: I'd do it. 557 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 11: He's only a one year last because that'd be like 558 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 11: getting like Cliff Lee and uh Roy how they wrapped 559 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 11: up and won. 560 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 4: And that's probably not enough because the Tigers, you know, 561 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 4: but it's sad they even got to think about. But 562 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 4: he ain't gonna be coming back, and he probably ain't 563 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 4: gonna resigning there with Scott Boris and all. 564 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 3: But I don't know. 565 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 4: I just see that name floating around, and I know 566 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 4: Dobraski loves big, hard throwers, and you're like. 567 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 2: Hmmm, God, that would be exciting. 568 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 3: Can you imagine putting together that rotation? 569 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 4: Now, before everybody jumps on my ass, this is what 570 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 4: we do. We talk about ship. 571 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 3: Would they be very good left? Would they be very 572 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 3: good from the left side? 573 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 4: Would you be worried about three lefties in the postseason? 574 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 2: Exactly right? 575 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 3: I mean, can you imagine schoobl Lozardo and Sanchez on 576 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 3: the same route in the same rotation, and then if 577 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 3: and then Zach Wheeler comes back and is somewhat healthy, 578 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,719 Speaker 3: sweet Jesus. 579 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: I mean that you could make us. I mean, you 580 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 2: can make a strong argument for it in the sense. 581 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 3: That, yes, I did have four sy young WARLD winners 582 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 3: for three four five. 583 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: I mean, if you make that move, Jim and on 584 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: a team that you talk about worried about guys aging 585 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: and getting old, and. 586 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 4: But then you're gonna sign him in a year or so. 587 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 4: But you know, what you don't make that move it 588 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 4: out know when you can sign them. But I don't know. 589 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 4: I just I don't think they're I think I just 590 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 4: don't think it will happen. I'm not sure it'll be moved. 591 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 4: But you're hearing some rumbles about that. And it's fun 592 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 4: to talk about that. 593 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 3: I like your mic drop. I like it. 594 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 4: It's fun to talk about this stuff. 595 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 3: I like the TMZ move. 596 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 4: Clickbait. 597 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 2: It's clickbait, Jim. 598 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 3: I like, we're gonna have to do. 599 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna, you know, throughout the off season, we're gonna 600 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: have some episodes where we maybe ask fans to create 601 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: some trade of poses for us. 602 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 3: Well, well, maybe I'm still Alex Bragman. Dude, I'm still 603 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 3: in trade. That was intrigue last year. I think that 604 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 3: he's the perfect player for this team for so many 605 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 3: different reasons. I don't know how they put him in 606 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 3: the budget. I don't know how they make it happen. 607 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 2: What if I love that player, I'll tell you what. 608 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: So what if it came down to Alex Bregman versus 609 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: j trail Muto. 610 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 3: I would take Alex Bregman, you would? 611 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: And then how long ago? 612 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 3: How and I love you. 613 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: He's thirty two and. 614 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 4: He's had a little slippage, a little slip slippage. You know, 615 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 4: how long a deal we talking? I mean, I know 616 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 4: the right handed bat would look they could really use 617 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 4: the right handed bat in the middle desperately. And I 618 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 4: like the player too, But for how long? Keep them 619 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 4: all and brag and then scooble too, Boom, bring. 620 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: Them all in super team, go to Tory Roger like, 621 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: defer all the money, Defer. 622 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 2: All the money. 623 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, defer, it's not my money. It's not your money. 624 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 3: Is it your money? Time, it's not my money. 625 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 4: I know that Boom, I got no money exactly. 626 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 2: So a couple more things. Rob Thompson is back, as 627 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 2: we know. 628 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: Dave did say that they were working on an They're 629 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: going to work on a contract extension. At some point 630 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 1: this winner finalize it so Rob can be under contract 631 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: through the twenty twenty seventh season. No changes to the 632 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: coaching staff other than there will be a new bench coach. 633 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: Mike Cleetree is going to move into a new role 634 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: as the major league field coordinator. A new bench coach 635 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: for Rob Thompson. It's going to come from outside the organization. 636 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: They said, so there's not going to be an internal promotion, 637 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have somebody else in Rob's ear, somebody 638 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: with experience. 639 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 5: And I think that's a good idea. I mean, listen, 640 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 5: Robs the game. But it's okay to have another perspective 641 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 5: out there. It's okay for him to have another year, 642 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 5: another voice in his head other than maybe Caleb Coffin 643 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 5: or Colle Tree or whoever it was. I think it's 644 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 5: important for him to have another year in his another 645 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 5: mouth in his ear, and another perspective. I know he 646 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 5: thinks about things a lot on so many different levels. 647 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 5: He's got a reason for every decision he makes. But 648 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 5: it's okay to have you know, opposing you know thoughts. 649 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 5: And it's also okay to have diverse thoughts. It's okay. 650 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 3: That's the whole point of having a bench coach. 651 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 4: Absolutely, you're gonna have different thoughts, no doubt. 652 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 3: If we're not. They're not always right, We're none of 653 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 3: none of us in baseball are always right. If we were, 654 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 3: there'd be thirty teams winning World Series every year. 655 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 4: Two people are thinking alike all the time. 656 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: One of them is thinking, I like, I like where 657 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: your heads at jim. 658 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,959 Speaker 2: My last thought. He likes the cut of your jib. 659 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 2: I like you. 660 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 4: I like your comb over. 661 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm getting a five. I've got I got 662 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 3: my kids. Tell me I have a seventeen head? 663 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:06,240 Speaker 2: Now, how dare they? How dare they? They love you? 664 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 12: One last thing I thought was interesting. Uh, Dave was 665 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 12: pretty cannid throughout, and then toward the end Jim's Jim 666 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 12: asks the question about hey you, little Joe, how did 667 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 12: you phrase a little disturbed or a little troubled by 668 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 12: the fact that Matt Strom said after Game four that 669 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 12: you know this team did not do any do any 670 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 12: p f ps. And the quote from Dave was, well, 671 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 12: first of you said, well, I think he. 672 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: Was referring to the postseason, and it actually it was 673 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: mac nelban I talked to him and it was and 674 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: said separately, and he made it clear he was talking 675 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 1: about the whole year. And then Dave said his quote 676 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: was we did plenty and actually it turns out we 677 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: did do pfps in the postseason. And then he looked, 678 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: paused and said he didn't do them, okay, but we 679 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: did really yes, yes, And then uh, you. 680 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 3: Can't ship top and then not be part of it. 681 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 3: That's weird. 682 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 4: He was apparently excused from him, but all the same, nonetheless. 683 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 3: No, they were done, but he didn't he wasn't part 684 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 3: of them. 685 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 2: So then Rob Thompson right. 686 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: So Rob Thompson was asked about it, and he said, 687 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: we did do PFPS during the break. 688 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 2: It was a long PfP. 689 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: But again, me, me or nobody else can simulate that 690 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: Kirkering situation. Bobble Bass is loaded fifty five thousand people, 691 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: tie game, extra innings. We could hit him that ball 692 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: thousand times, he'll make the play, but you can't simulate 693 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: all the other things. 694 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 2: And uh, I agree, I agree with you. 695 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: Could you could do PFPS on the backfields and clear 696 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: water at the beginning of every road trip series or 697 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. 698 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 2: The guy panicked. 699 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 4: He panicked, so he had a funny spin. It was 700 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 4: seventy miles an hour. It was a change up. But 701 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 4: nonetheless he panicked after if. 702 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 3: He bowled it a little bit up the baseball, you 703 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 3: turn the first and you throw it right, and that's 704 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 3: what you do. And he and and and things happened 705 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 3: really fast for him. I love the young man. He's 706 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 3: a great kid. He had a really difficult moment. 707 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 4: And the sad part is, I said this the other day. 708 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 4: He did his job. You got a weak ground. 709 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,439 Speaker 3: Ball, that's the iron. That's that's the crappy part about 710 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 3: it is he threw his fastball to get him too. 711 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 712 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: They Rob and Dave said that they've talked to him 713 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 1: a couple of times since the end of the season 714 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: and they're going to provide him any help that he 715 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: needs to kind of get through this, you know, if 716 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: he needs any support or whatever. But it sounds like 717 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: they're hoping that he'll be back and camp. We'll see 718 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: if he's in camp next spring. 719 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 3: But Rich your man, he's gonna He's got a lot 720 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 3: of side still. I think you can get better too, right. 721 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 2: It be a great story if you could bounce back 722 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 2: and somehow be a part of a winner. So that 723 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 2: was a lot of fun. We've got more to come, 724 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 2: of course, next week. 725 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: Check out the Phillies show Shop dot com, scan the 726 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: QR code in your screen or go to the Phillies 727 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: show Shop dot com. 728 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,720 Speaker 2: Help support the show. 729 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: Keep us going, guys, we will be don't want to 730 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: go off the air. Keep us going, guys, please, we 731 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: will be back next week. Well again, I want to 732 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: stress this. Appreciate everybody that's been watching and listening to us. Yes, uh, 733 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: you know, all all year long, and we're going to 734 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: keep it going in the postseason. There's a lot of 735 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: stuff to talk about. I'm thinking, guys, we at some 736 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: point we've got to do a free agent. 737 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 2: Flow no flow, Oh, we're in. We did it at 738 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 2: the trade deadline, we did it at the. 739 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 3: Like, Hey, I'm I am fascinated by this offseason because 740 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 3: it is I know, what Dombrowski said and what people 741 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 3: think is going to happen is not necessarily the same thing. 742 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 3: So I'm fascinated. 743 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, Thanks guys. We'll be back on Monday. 744 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 4: Smell you, little boys. 745 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 3: I smell it, Jim. 746 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 747 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: Territory Network. Subscribe to The Philly Show on YouTube and 748 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts.