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Speaker 2: We are rolling through the Thursday edition of Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate all of you hanging out with us on

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Speaker 2: of you will be listening to this soon on a podcast,

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Speaker 2: so we thank you. However, you are finding your way

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Speaker 2: to be able to speak with all of us. So

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Speaker 2: much to be discussed as we roll through today's program,

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Speaker 2: I jotted down a bunch of things. Sophie Cunningham has

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Speaker 2: become an absolute megawatt superstar, and if you don't know

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Speaker 2: her yet, you're about to know her and love her.

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Speaker 2: She is a women's basketball player. We talked to me

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Speaker 2: a little bit about her yesterday, Buck, because she came

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Speaker 2: out and said men shouldn't be able to compete in

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Speaker 2: women's sports. Became the first that I know of current

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Speaker 2: pro athlete and women's sports to be willing to say that.

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Speaker 2: She was grilled by left winging sports media members who

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Speaker 2: were offended men in particular for that perspective, and she

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Speaker 2: led with I said what I said, which I just oh,

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Speaker 2: my heart skips a beat, Buck when somebody says something

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Speaker 2: that can be controversial, and then everybody comes after him

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Speaker 2: and you what do you so often see the mealy mouth? Oh,

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Speaker 2: I apologize to anybody who was offended.

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Speaker 1: I hate it. And so we'll talk a bit about

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Speaker 1: that here in a moment.

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Speaker 2: Nevada versus South Carolina for the first Democrat primary, Hispanic

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Speaker 2: versus black identity politics go into the Matt Buck has

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Speaker 2: gone after women with short hair.

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Speaker 1: We will it sounds crazy.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, women being told by their friend to cut

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Speaker 3: their hair short.

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Speaker 2: That is a different framing, sir. We will have fun

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Speaker 2: with that, I promise. Also, some of you out there

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Speaker 2: that are still riding around on would have still been

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Speaker 2: riding around on horses in the early car age.

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Speaker 1: You're not happy about self driving cars.

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Speaker 2: There is data out that they are infinitely safer than

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Speaker 2: driving driven cars Waimo data. As Tesla and Weimo and

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Speaker 2: many other companies out there begin the battle over self

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Speaker 2: driving cars, we will get into that because I think

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Speaker 2: that'll be really fun and the data is starting to

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Speaker 2: roll in.

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Speaker 1: David Rutherford is going to join us.

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Speaker 2: He's going to talk about testosterone in the military, and

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Speaker 2: then Steve Dace is going to talk with us. He

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Speaker 2: watched The Odyssey. I have not seen the Odyssey. Buck

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Speaker 2: has not seen it, but it is a big story

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Speaker 2: and so we will be discussing that. But we began

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Speaker 2: Buck with yesterday evening. As I was sitting down to

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Speaker 2: eat my dinner, there is a pregame press availability for

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Speaker 2: Sophie Cunningham. And after she said that men should not

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Speaker 2: be able to play in women's sports, that boys should

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Speaker 2: not be able to play in girl sports, the crazy

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Speaker 2: sports media, which continues to get crazier, decided that they

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Speaker 2: were going to speak out and attack her. She is

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Speaker 2: grilled by WNBA reporters over those comments that she made

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Speaker 2: in an ESPN article, and she began by saying, I

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Speaker 2: stand by what I said.

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Speaker 1: Cut sixteen and that.

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Speaker 4: Story with ESPN.

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Speaker 5: You talked about wanting to protect young girls who shouldn't

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Speaker 5: have to go against biological men.

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Speaker 1: Just can you expand your viewpoint on that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think I said what I said.

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Speaker 5: I think it's kind of common sense, and I think

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Speaker 5: I'll always believe in that. I think it's really important

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Speaker 5: to protect children, and that's little girls who are also involved.

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Speaker 1: In that category.

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Speaker 5: And so I stand on what I said and I

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Speaker 5: always believe that. Do you see your advocacy on that

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Speaker 5: like taking any form going forward? You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I didn't. I'm not a very political person, but I

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Speaker 5: do have beliefs, I have morals, and I'll always stand

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Speaker 5: And I think people are going to take it how

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Speaker 5: I feel very strongly about that. I think that's why

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Speaker 5: you have Title nine, That's why you have some of the.

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Speaker 1: Greats in women's sports.

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Speaker 5: If Title nine and women's sports weren't protected, then you

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Speaker 5: so I think in the future it's just really important to.

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Speaker 2: Protect okay buck, she continued, And I feel like I'm

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Speaker 2: Then a reporter on a left wing news organization asked

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Speaker 2: if she was targeting trans people as you would expect

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Speaker 1: Some people might say hanging for the trans community.

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Speaker 4: This could be something that could come back on us

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Speaker 4: or be targeted against us.

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Speaker 1: Like, how do you guess view that sort of critique?

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Speaker 5: You know, Like I said, I extend love and I

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Speaker 5: don't dislike anyone, Like I think there is room for

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Speaker 5: absolutely everyone here, and I think there's room to love everyone.

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Speaker 5: I truly think when you get people in the same

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Speaker 1: And so I'm there to.

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Speaker 5: Love, but I'm also there to love biological women. And

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Speaker 5: I think that there are rights that need to be protected,

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Speaker 5: and like I said, I'm going to stand true to that.

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Speaker 5: I'll never falter in my beliefs in that. But I

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I think they're space for everyone.

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Speaker 2: So are you in disbelief that this is actually a

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Speaker 3: No, I'm surprised that it took this long for someone

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Speaker 3: like her in women's athletics to take this position honestly,

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Speaker 3: it's accurate, it's truthful, and it's also tactically very smart,

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Speaker 3: which is to say, this is about protecting women. This

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Speaker 3: isn't about you know, Trump or right wing or Republicans

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Speaker 3: protecting women specifically in sports. I know Riley Gaines has

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Speaker 3: I think Caitlyn Clark is making too many hostage videos

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Speaker 3: as it is from the court, as she's being battered

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Speaker 3: an answer to, which is who's the one who's really

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Speaker 3: everybody knows it.

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Speaker 1: And this is why they have just had years of this.

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Speaker 3: Cult like cognitive dissonance of we're all about equality for women,

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Speaker 3: including men who think they're women, beating up, beating up

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Speaker 2: Legitimately beating them up and winning a gold medal at

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Speaker 2: I was on Sean Hannity show. We were talking about it,

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Speaker 2: I would go buy a Sophie Cunningham jersey. I would

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Speaker 2: make sure that these jerseys are sold out, because if

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Speaker 2: I think you can do is support people in women's

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Speaker 2: I saw Anika Sornstam, who's one of the best women's golfers,

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Speaker 2: has now shared Sophie Cunningham's take and endorsed it. We

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Speaker 2: who plays. I mean men can typically hit the golf

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Speaker 2: is not this is basic biology doesn't mean, look, my

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Speaker 2: ball better than I can at golf. But a general

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Speaker 2: male athlete is going to be much better at this.

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Speaker 2: By the way, this is also going to be seen

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Speaker 2: as an anti Meghan Rapino take after Sophie Cunningham spoke

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Speaker 2: out buck our good friends at the View the Morons there,

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Speaker 2: they shared this clip of Megan Rapino on the View

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Speaker 2: saying any removal of men and women's athletics is a

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Speaker 2: direct attack on women in society. Because this is the

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Speaker 2: women have to fight. I mean, look, I can tell

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Speaker 6: Listen, guests are going after trans people in sports, and

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Speaker 6: to be unsafe in sports, and it's like unsafe from who.

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Speaker 6: If you look like this is one. It's an attack

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Speaker 6: it's just like so blatant, like, let's connect these thoughts.

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Speaker 6: It's more than just a couple of trans kids in

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Speaker 6: being able to participate in some new sports.

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Speaker 1: It's just blather.

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Speaker 1: Actually, there's no argument here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, rather, there's no logical progression into anything she's saying.

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Speaker 3: It's just a bunch of feelings that she has strewn

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Speaker 3: who live in reality and see it for what it is,

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Speaker 3: women who look a certain way. Who says it's about

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Speaker 3: women who look a certain way butch ladies who have

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Speaker 3: said anything about that unless that butch lady actually has

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Speaker 1: That's the distinguishing characteristic here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm laughing because this is so basic for anyone

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Speaker 2: out there. And look, the sports media hates this. There's

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Speaker 2: an article, Buck, I wanted to read this to you

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Speaker 2: because I don't think you've seen it, and I think

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Speaker 2: your head is going to explode. This is USA Today,

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Speaker 2: So Sophie Cunningham initially became a fay.

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Speaker 3: You can I just say one thing while before you

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Speaker 3: let see this suba. This is kind of like a

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Speaker 3: sprinkling little spice into this. You know how you told

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Speaker 3: I will say that it's they're very, very dumb in general.

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Speaker 1: I mean, please continue.

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Speaker 2: It is true that I've been dominating a lot of

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Speaker 2: This is a USA Today Sports column Today, okay, by

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Speaker 2: a writer named Nancy Armor. She is arguing that Caitlin Clark,

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Speaker 2: arguing with officials is putting black lives in danger. This

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Speaker 2: there is a white nationalist element to Clark's fandom that

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Speaker 2: is deeply, deeply problematic, made even more so because the

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Speaker 2: WNBA is made up predominantly of black women, many of

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Speaker 2: them queer. When Clark claims fouls that don't exist, when

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Speaker 2: she goes on profanity lace tirades at referees, those racists

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Speaker 2: see her as a white woman in need of saving

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Speaker 2: mental institution. She continues. It shouldn't need reminding. This country

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Speaker 2: has an awful history of black people being harmed, even killed.

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Speaker 2: This is a sports article in the name of defending

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Speaker 2: white women. The WNBA's All Star Game this weekend is

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Speaker 2: in Chicago, Emmett Till's hometown, and a local art gallery

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Speaker 2: is currently hosting an exhibit imagining his life if he

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Speaker 2: hadn't been lynched. While it's incumbent on the WNBA to

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Speaker 2: do more to protect its players, there also should be

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Speaker 2: an expectation on Clark to recognize the wider consequences of

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Speaker 2: her actions. Imagine you are Joe Schmoe sports fan and

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Speaker 2: you let's pretend you still get the USA today and

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Speaker 2: you sit down and you're like, hey, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I just want to read about sports, and then you

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Speaker 2: read that you're a white supremacist because you support Kaitlin

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Speaker 2: Clark having five threes last night. I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: why does this matter again? You have to win culture

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Speaker 2: in order to win elections.

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Speaker 1: And if you stand up.

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Speaker 2: For Sophie Cunningham just speaking basic truth, I think you

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Speaker 2: that's why I think this is a supremely significant story.

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Speaker 2: And bravo Sophie Cunningham for being willing to speak out.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in here to Clay and back. We have some.

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Speaker 3: Important found bites for you from Trump's Marietta, Georgia speech,

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Speaker 3: which we will be getting to as well. We're going

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Speaker 3: So part of that is like Georgia, the Senate seat

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Speaker 3: also just for fun, Clay has seen and I have

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Speaker 3: seen that's currently the polling shows none other than AOC

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Speaker 3: that is also indicating something here there isn't Clay. This

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Speaker 3: have Kamala Harris, who I think has a well we'll see,

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Speaker 2: Well, and where they pick as the first primary will

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Speaker 2: I would just add, yes, AOC is surging. Who is

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Speaker 2: down to Mark Kelly versus Andy Basheer for bland white

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Speaker 2: I don't think Avin Newsom's inviting you to his vineyard anymore, Clay,

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Speaker 2: I think you are off the vineyard list.

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Speaker 1: I think he's lost bland white guy standards.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay an Buck.

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Speaker 3: We're joined by our friend David Rutherford of the David

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Speaker 3: Rather for Joe, former Navy seal and a guy who

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Speaker 3: just got back from safari and I mean that he

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Speaker 1: David, great to have you rock out with your rock out. Man.

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Speaker 7: That was one of the funniest things I've heard in

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Speaker 1: Dude, I'm glad you caught that part. Oh man.

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Speaker 3: Not much before we get into the sirius stuff, iran

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Speaker 3: any Air Force jokes, and we talk about that, by

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Speaker 3: the way, But the if you were left overnight in

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Speaker 3: in South Africa on safari, right.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Unbelievable, is it?

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Speaker 5: Is it?

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Speaker 3: The if you had to pick between making it overnight

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Speaker 1: Which one do you do? Savannah?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, Savannah, You're you're not gonna live with the hippos

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Speaker 7: and the crocs. It's just there's no way they dominate

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Speaker 1: I'm dead. I'm deader than dead Man's what you just went.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming and got to see Buck was telling me

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Speaker 2: Because I've seen some of this stuff where people go

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Speaker 7: I mean, this was my second time doing it, but

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Speaker 7: i'd say, you know, ninety percent safe. The only time

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Speaker 1: Very cool. Rus Have you ever done a safari anything

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Speaker 3: Top of my list. I want to do it, Never

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Speaker 3: done it, so I stay here, I want to check

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Speaker 3: it out. Not surprised that Rudd is now a second

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Speaker 3: timer with that. Now, let's talk about you were out

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Speaker 7: It was the most significant thing that's come out of

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Speaker 7: and active duty guys because you know, as we're ramping

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Speaker 7: continuing deployment cycles is getting higher and higher by the day,

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Speaker 7: and deployments, that the effects of that takeover and create

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Speaker 7: this operator syndrome. Well, one of the main ones is

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Speaker 7: that is endocrine dysfunction, and what happens is as you're

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Speaker 7: you know, you get in this hypervigilant state for years

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Speaker 7: and years and years, it has a profound and negative

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Speaker 7: impact on your endocrine system, thereby metabolic dysfunction, which then

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Speaker 7: depletes testosterone production. And so when you have testoks low

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Speaker 7: testos rone as an operator, it can affect moods, sleep,

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Speaker 7: all these things. So to see this memorandum for me

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Speaker 7: in particular, because I've been fighting this battle with a

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Speaker 7: couple of the gentlemen, doctor Chris Free, doctor Elokmadon who

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Speaker 7: wrote the original paper that was published in February twenty twenty.

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Speaker 7: I've been in this fight with them to try and

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Speaker 7: get this idea at the highest echelons of government. And

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Speaker 7: thank god, you know, the Secretary of War has made

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Speaker 7: it an important thing now, so it's going to be

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Speaker 7: revolutionary to our war fighters.

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Speaker 2: We're talking in David Rutherford. Encourage you to go subscribe

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Speaker 2: to his podcast, doing fantastically well as a part of

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Speaker 2: the Clay and Buck podcast network. Okay, twelve straight days

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Speaker 2: of strikes on Iran. They're now is talk that there

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Speaker 2: may be threats from the hooties when it comes to

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Speaker 2: Saudi Arabian shipping. Oil and gas prices are up in

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Speaker 2: those twelve days. If the President came to you, obviously

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Speaker 2: you are not seeing national security briefings every day, so

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Speaker 2: we understand that you're not plugged in on that level.

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Speaker 2: But if he said to you, rut, how do we

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Speaker 2: solve it? You would say, what.

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Speaker 7: Well, obviously, the biggest concern now is you know, they're

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Speaker 7: starting to hit our bases. You know, we had those

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Speaker 7: unfortunate you know, we lost four service members, Lieutenantihan and

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Speaker 7: Sergeant Ramper, said Private Gonzales and Sergeants Swinton in my

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Speaker 7: thoughts and prayers to them and their families. You know,

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Speaker 7: this is the cost of conflict as people dying. And

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Speaker 7: so you know, I think we're at the precipice of

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Speaker 7: something that you either need to upgrade significantly.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the biggest concern are the straits of Hermos.

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Speaker 7: You know, we have seventeen ships, We've got enough support,

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Speaker 7: but you need to up the game, right and so

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Speaker 7: unfortunately that's just the nature of warfare. And so you're

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Speaker 7: gonna have to increase your footprint and all of our

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Speaker 7: bases in Iraq and the other bases. You're gonna have

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Speaker 7: to launch more strategic strikes. You're gonna have to put

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Speaker 7: them on on call to be able to take whatever

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Speaker 7: barrage of drone strikes or missile systems from from Iran.

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Speaker 7: But I think the next uh, you know, reality that

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Speaker 7: we have to face is, you know, somehow putting troops

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Speaker 7: on the ground. And I ran that it seems like

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Speaker 7: what's going to be the next probable reality to be

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Speaker 7: able to shift the strategic dynamics of what's taking place.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that means carg Island? You think it

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Speaker 3: could be more than just Carg Island. Ru what's your

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Speaker 3: sense if it does turn into some kind of ground

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Speaker 3: deployment for our troops?

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Speaker 1: Where do you think that happens? I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I think carg Island is the thing everybody just keeps

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Speaker 7: repeating because it sounds cool. Everybody knows the name. But

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Speaker 7: there's one hundred and seventeen thousand miles of coastline in Iran.

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Speaker 7: There's other strategic locations that you could place soldiers and

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Speaker 7: fighters to conduct different types of missions, And you know,

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Speaker 7: I just don't know. You have to understand a greater

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Speaker 7: kind of that secret squirrel understanding of the different bases

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Speaker 7: that exist in Iran, you know, maybe deploy you know,

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Speaker 7: a seventy fifth Ranger battalion takeover some strategic base that's

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Speaker 7: remote in Iran that has a complex system and trying

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Speaker 7: to assault that and hold that and see what happens there.

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Speaker 7: But like it's provoking, it's kind of seen what their

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Speaker 7: reactionary responses are. We've seen what they can do on

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Speaker 7: our friends in our Gulf state region and on our basis,

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Speaker 7: so we've got it. We've been probing enough to know

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Speaker 7: what their reaction capabilities are. But maybe it's going deeper

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Speaker 7: in Iran. Maybe it's probing them up near Tyre Tehran.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, but I think the carg Island is

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Speaker 7: not the best tactical approach. But it seems like if

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Speaker 7: you really want to gain control of the Strait, because

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Speaker 7: in the long term, that's what's going to lead to

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Speaker 7: the greater problems globally economically, that type of thing, you know,

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Speaker 7: maybe you have to do that too. With how many

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Speaker 7: troops Some people are saying fifteen thousand Marines. Some people

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Speaker 7: are saying, I don't you know, you know, a thousand

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Speaker 7: Special Forces.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I think it really depends on exploring a great or

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Speaker 7: more vast array of what Iranian vulnerabilities are initially.

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Speaker 2: How much would you think the fact that the midterms

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Speaker 2: are coming up in November should play into this decision?

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Speaker 2: And how much do you think it does.

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Speaker 7: Clay, That is a million dollar question right there, Man,

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Speaker 7: Wait to be on point.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think we just saw it.

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Speaker 7: I mean just we just saw that the Senate passed

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Speaker 7: a resolution to shut down Trump's war powers or curtail

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Speaker 7: it in some case, and had a bunch of Republicans

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Speaker 7: vote on the Democratic side. So I think you're already

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Speaker 7: starting to see it.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 7: The House did pass what a ninety five billion dollars

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Speaker 7: supplemental something to keep.

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Speaker 1: The war going or whatever.

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Speaker 7: But I think you're already seeing it. You're starting to

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Speaker 7: see people get gun shy as it relates to the

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Speaker 7: war in their campaigns and what's going to take place

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Speaker 7: in the midterms for sure.

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Speaker 3: Dave Brother for everybody, also known as rut go check

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Speaker 3: in the chat in our YouTube chat, people just said,

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Speaker 3: Thank you, brother, and I'm glad you're home safe and

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Speaker 3: sound that the leopards didn't get you.

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Speaker 1: The leopard's never gonna get the rut. I'm blessed you guys.

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Speaker 1: You go, man, thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's right, doesn't it doesn't You noticed how close some

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Speaker 2: of those people get to those animals on those safaris,

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Speaker 2: Man like, uh, it's a little bit intimidating.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't him getting the water. What did you

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Speaker 3: think about the guy? We didn't talk about it, but

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Speaker 3: the guy who was in was it was it Yellowstone?

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming Stone think it was Yellows who got the

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Speaker 3: bison just threw him ten feet in the air. I

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Speaker 3: felt so bad for that guy, because sometimes when people

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Speaker 3: get attacked by animals, you can tell they've provoked the

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Speaker 3: animals and they put themselves in that situation.

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Speaker 1: That was just I think he's okay, that was just

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Speaker 1: he is.

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Speaker 2: He was hospitalized, he's all right, But that was just

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Speaker 2: a mean bison. Yeah, well, he's just it's a granddad

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Speaker 2: there with his dad from a substantial I mean, with

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Speaker 2: his grandson from a substantial distance. They're kind of looking

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Speaker 2: at the bison, and then the bison just went after him,

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Speaker 2: and it felt personal. It felt like he had insulted

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Speaker 2: the bison's family. I don't know if he did something

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Speaker 2: to the bison's mom back in the day, but it

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Speaker 2: felt like the bison was after him for reasons other

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Speaker 2: than just being a random tourist in Yellowstone. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: the water man, they getting really close to crocodiles and hippos.

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Speaker 2: I'm not getting in the water. I'll look over the water.

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Speaker 2: But that was that was tough. Yeah, And producer Ali

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Speaker 2: is saying it's mating season and the bison was showing

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Speaker 2: off for the female bison by tossing the human in

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Speaker 3: You know what's got a lot to sacerone. The bison,

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Speaker 3: no doubt, super high.

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Speaker 1: All this stuff.

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Speaker 2: If you want to go to Yellowstone and hopefully you

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay and Buck appreciate all of you

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Speaker 2: hanging out with us. As we are rolling through the

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Speaker 2: Thursday edition of the program. We are joined now by

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Speaker 2: Steve Dace. He is a highly successful radio show host

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Speaker 2: show host. I think you do a lot of things

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Speaker 2: in Iowa, I believe if I am not mistaken, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to get into a lot of different things

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Speaker 2: with him.

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Speaker 1: But actually I'll start with this.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get into Sophie Cunningham, the Odyssey, a bunch

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Speaker 2: of different stories. What is the reaction in Iowa. You've

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Speaker 2: got competitive races for both the Senate and the governor's races.

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Speaker 2: The Democrat Party is basically decided we're done with having

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Speaker 2: our caucuses start in Iowa. Is that being received well

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Speaker 2: in the state. I know that's very important to many Iowan's.

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Speaker 2: What is that like from your perspective?

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Speaker 4: No, it has not been received well at all, guys.

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Speaker 4: And we have about a quarter of a million voter

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Speaker 4: registration advantage over Democrats here in the state of Iowa.

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Speaker 4: But they have probably the two best candidates they've run

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Speaker 4: in our state statewide, particularly the Senate candidate. I know

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of attention on Rob sand but the

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Speaker 4: Senate candidate, Josh Turick, former gold medal wheelchair olympian, has

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Speaker 4: run very inspirational ads. I think it's really the best

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Speaker 4: messaging statewide a Democrat has done, and not just our state,

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Speaker 4: but I've seen anywhere around the country in the Trump years. Really,

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Speaker 4: I mean, the stuff he's hitting Trump on is kind

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Speaker 4: of traditional class warfare, liberal stuff, and you know, not

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Speaker 4: the stuff of you know that's deconstructive in nature, like

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Speaker 4: we've seen over the last few years and much of

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Speaker 4: the tr era. So his negatives are not very high.

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Speaker 4: I think he'll be a tough beat. I think rob

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Speaker 4: Stein will be a tough beat. I think though, the

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Speaker 4: metrics that we have on the ground in Iowa give

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Speaker 4: us an advantage here, particularly because we did not nominate

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Speaker 4: an establishment hacked member of Congress that they could have

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Speaker 4: nationalized our race and run against. Instead, we nominated a

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Speaker 4: conservative outsider in Zach Lane, who now he is free

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Speaker 4: to attack them from the right in ways that Randy

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Speaker 4: Feinster would not have been. So I still think Zach

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Speaker 4: will win. Ashley Hintson I think will probably win, but

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Speaker 4: I think they're gonna need every ounce of that quarter

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Speaker 4: of amingan voter registration advantage in the current environment, it

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Speaker 4: might just be by a couple of points.

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Speaker 1: Stevin's Buck appreciates you being with us.

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Speaker 3: I'm still torn between whether I'm going to go, mostly

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Speaker 3: because I hate going to movie theaters, but that's a

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Speaker 3: separate conversation. I just someone's always talking and I get

656
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Speaker 3: very grumpy. But even if I was willing to go

657
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Speaker 3: to movie theaters, I'm torn with toom whether I would

658
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Speaker 3: go see the Odyssey so that I would know or that.

659
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Speaker 1: But you've seen it.

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Speaker 3: And the critique that I saw you write on X

661
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 3: of it, I think is very much what I would

662
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: expect to feel based on what I know of the movie.

663
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Speaker 3: But instead of just surmising, why don't you tell everybody

664
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Speaker 3: because you saw it? What do we need to know

665
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 3: about this? This is the cultural phenomenon of the week.

666
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 3: I think there's more conversation about this. We'll talk about

667
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Speaker 3: Sophe Cunningham in a second, but more conversation about this

668
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 3: in the culture than anything else right now.

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Speaker 4: In short, Buck, I think Christopher Nolan ought to be

670
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 4: ashamed of himself, and I think that all you need

671
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: to know is the hipster feminist who did the modern

672
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 4: translation of the Odyssey that Nolan based much of his

673
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 4: script off of has come out and pointed out that

674
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 4: you know, essentially he reduced Odysseus into just kind of

675
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 4: a modern whiner, constantly looking for some form of affirmation

676
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 4: and counseling for his laments, and not the hero seeking

677
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 4: after glory of the story. And if that's coming from

678
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 4: the feminist hipster that Nolan based his interpretation off of,

679
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 4: well then imagine what somebody like me, who puts the

680
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 4: fun and fundamentalist thinks of the film it is. I

681
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 4: was blown away, and I'm a Christopher Nolan. Stan. I

682
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 4: raised a son whose dream in life until about thirty

683
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 4: days ago was to be the next Christopher Nolan, and

684
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 4: now he won't even go see the film. Anybody who's

685
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 4: telling you that the Ellen Page character is a minor

686
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 4: footnote cameo done to appease Academy voters for an Oscar

687
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 4: is wrong. Ellen Page is basically the rosebud of the

688
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 4: whole movie. I mean, she is the moral conscience of

689
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Speaker 4: the film. She is driving Odysseus's con you know, his

690
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 4: conscience the entire film. She gives him a nice woke

691
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 4: spear of the age lecture from ironically Hell. I mean,

692
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 4: sometimes these people, with their own wokesm can't afford stepping

693
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 4: on their own rigs. That's right, Elliott Page. Ellen Page

694
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 4: speaks from hell, so that's a thing. And then you

695
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 4: know at the end, you know, when Odysseus disguises himself

696
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: to make sure his wife and son of him betrayed him,

697
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 4: takes the name of Ellen Page's character and is how

698
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 4: to kind of avenge her legacy the entire film. I mean,

699
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 4: she's again, she's the her character is the moral. She's

700
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 4: in the very first scene. She's in the undercurrent of

701
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 4: the entire film. And it's a character, by the way,

702
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 4: it's not even in the Odyssey. My own theory is

703
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 4: that originally Ellen was cast as Achilles, and then with

704
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 4: the the the entire blowback several months ago, they changed

705
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 4: to this other character. That's my own pet theory is.

706
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 4: And then there's this weird feminist lament that Anne Hathaway's

707
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 4: character has about how the men won't allow her to

708
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 4: become queen. It's just it's it's intentionally subversive, it's intentionally

709
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 4: deconstructive in nature. And Odysseus abdicates his thrown at the

710
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 4: end instead of taking it as he does in the story,

711
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 4: he abdicates it in the end because he's got to

712
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 4: go off now and sail and find himself and and

713
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: learn from all the terrible things he has said and done.

714
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Speaker 4: It's just I found the film to be frankly pathetic,

715
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 4: and I don't even think it's very good. Much like TenneT,

716
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 4: I don't know what you know. This new fetish is

717
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 4: with making films you can't understand from Nolan. But he

718
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: did this with Tennant. Good luck understanding it, like every

719
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 4: fourth word of that film. The same thing is odd

720
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 4: with this sound design. This was also with The Dark

721
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 4: Knight Rises. Guys, remember that there was originally a preview

722
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 4: that came out of the Baine hijack scene, and so

723
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 4: many Imax audiences complained that they couldn't understand Baane. They

724
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Speaker 4: had completely remixed that film before the theatrical release.

725
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Speaker 1: So I don't know what it is.

726
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 4: They doesn't want you to hear his movies.

727
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Speaker 1: It's kind of weird.

728
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Speaker 4: But the film itself, it's not good, And I think

729
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 4: the one thing that Nolan improved is you can't make

730
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 4: something great and woke, because to serve the woke, you

731
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 4: have to put in the kinds of things that undermine

732
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Speaker 4: and deconstruct the heroism of your own characters and make

733
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 4: them less attractive, and you've got to add all this

734
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 4: sort of you know, psychiatric exposition, postmodernism to explain themselves

735
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 4: that also drives away audiences.

736
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Speaker 2: You, by the way, are hitting on something. I don't

737
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: know if Buck has picked up on this. I'm infuriated

738
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: regularly with modern sound mixing, where I can hear a

739
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: jet taking off in the background or the music in

740
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: the background. It is insanely loud, but you can't actually

741
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: hear the dialogue that the characters are engaging in. And

742
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: to me, the dialogue is the most important part, not

743
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: the fact that there's ambient sound in the background. And

744
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: I sound like obsessive radio guy.

745
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: I understand it.

746
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: Audio guy, who I've made fun of in the past,

747
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: has to be a perfect audio experience. But I do

748
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: think that we have added a lot of the depth

749
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: of sound and distracted from the most important part of

750
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: sound in a movie, which is what people say. Let

751
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: me go to this question and then we'll come back

752
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: to Sophie Cunningham with you. Buck and I have argued

753
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: that there is a wide open lane that is huge.

754
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: We got billionaires who listen to this program. It takes

755
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: a lot of money to make a movie Odyssey costs

756
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty million dollars reportedly, plus how much

757
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: it costs to market it all the other attributes associated

758
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Speaker 2: with making a successful movie.

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Speaker 1: You're a big movie buff. You just said you like

760
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Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan. Are you with Buck and me?

761
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Speaker 2: That there is a huge lane available for somebody who

762
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Speaker 2: would just make great movies like we watched in the

763
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Speaker 2: eighties and nineties that are designed to appeal to everyone

764
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Speaker 2: and aren't trying in any way to make a direct

765
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Speaker 2: propagandist political statement as a part of the movie.

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Speaker 4: Ten thousand percent, I mean ten thousand percent. And I

767
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Speaker 4: think what you're kind of seeing I would argue faith

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Speaker 4: based and conservative filmmaking in the last few years. I

769
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Speaker 4: hope my film Nefarius played into this. I think what

770
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 4: you're seeing is now we're figuring out that it's really

771
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 4: just about telling a great story, and if you do that,

772
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 4: then your worldview will shine through organically on its own,

773
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 4: as opposed as opposed to trying to check boxes and

774
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 4: shoehorn in ideas and what you're seeing, and that's why

775
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 4: a lot of conservative and faith based filmmaking was cheesy

776
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 4: and failed for so many years. What you're seeing now

777
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Speaker 4: Clay is on the other side. They're the ones doing it.

778
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 4: They're the ones saying now that we don't have to

779
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 4: tell a good story anymore. We have to check boxes.

780
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 4: We have to make sure that all of our tropes

781
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 4: are included, that all of our representatives in all of

782
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 4: our various tribes feel like they had agency. And you know,

783
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Speaker 4: that's I think one of the things that we set

784
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 4: out to do when we made Nefarius was just to

785
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 4: make the best thriller kind of based off those nineties

786
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 4: thrillers like Fallen, you know, like Silence of the Lambs,

787
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 4: like seven. With the budget, we had to kind of

788
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 4: make our best version of that. And it just so

789
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 4: happened to contain our worldview because as filmmakers, that's our

790
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 4: belief system. But it wasn't like we were just sitting

791
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 4: around in a writer's room. Well let's drop that line too.

792
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: It wasn't like that.

793
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 4: And so we're actually in the process right now of

794
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 4: raising money for the next movie. We're gonna do that

795
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 4: maybe even darker than the first film was. And I

796
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 4: have to tell you that finding our people need to

797
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 4: understand that, you know, we're behind in pop culture because

798
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 4: the other side was until now, well they still are.

799
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 4: They're willing to lose money for their message. And I

800
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 4: think that our people have got to got to determine

801
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 4: and understand that the amount of hearts and minds you

802
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 4: can reach with good storytelling nowadays is huge. And it's

803
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 4: the last place left, guys where I think people will

804
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 4: let you come at their worldview if you entertain them

805
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,479
Speaker 4: and just tell them a good story that they won't

806
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 4: do in any other venue where so many minds are

807
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 4: made up. And I think this is kind of the

808
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 4: undiscovered country for the American right is to realize that

809
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 4: for the bang for your buck, in a relatively good

810
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: chance at at ROI, you can do way more culture

811
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 4: shaping and shifting in the storytelling arena than you even

812
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 4: can and directly in politics.

813
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Speaker 3: Now, speaking of Steve Dace radio host, go check out

814
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Speaker 3: the Steve Days Show and you listen to podcast of it,

815
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Speaker 3: and Steve Sophie Cunningham, a lot of our male we

816
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 3: already had a I would assume unrequited marriage proposal from

817
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: one of our audience members saying if she's listening, he

818
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: will get her a ring. So she does have certainly

819
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: fans in the talk radio space. But her taking this

820
00:42:54,840 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 3: position that women's sports should be protected for women seems

821
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: to be the most straightforward statement of the obvious imaginable,

822
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 3: and yet it is a revolutionary act, it seems in

823
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Speaker 3: our current culture.

824
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Speaker 1: What do you make of it?

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, hat tip to your co host

826
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 4: there Clay. I thought he had a great observation yesterday.

827
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Speaker 4: I saw on the same day that ESPN Let's Go

828
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Speaker 4: which chief Race Bader and Ryan Clark, they published this

829
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Speaker 4: interview with Sophie Cunningham drawing a clear line between insanity

830
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Speaker 4: and sanity, I think the most So that's a great

831
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 4: observation there. I think the most important thing actually that

832
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 4: Sophie Cunningham said is when she said, I said what

833
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Speaker 4: I said, and I stand by it.

834
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Speaker 1: In response, there.

835
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Speaker 4: Is a graveyard of people who have been willing to

836
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 4: take an initial step into just outlining sanity and then,

837
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 4: with a modicum a pushback, have completely buckled, particularly frankly

838
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 4: too many men. So for her to stand up there

839
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 4: against the horde, the woke horde there of WNBA media,

840
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 4: and it's not worthy of arguing, there's not even an argument,

841
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 4: all right, I mean, so these people aren't serious thinkers.

842
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 4: There's really nothing else to say other than I said

843
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: what I said, and I stand by it. It stands

844
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 4: by itself that women ought to be competing against women

845
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 4: and ought to be competing against men, and everybody else

846
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 4: who doesn't have the woke mind virus on planet Earth agreece.

847
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 4: So I think the fact that she was willing to

848
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 4: stand by it, guys, I think that's even more important

849
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 4: than what she said Originally.

850
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Speaker 2: I agree with that last question for you. Caitlyn Clark

851
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: came out of Iowa. This is one that I got

852
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 2: completely wrong. I never believed that her fame from college

853
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 2: basketball would translate to the WNBA, because frankly, it hasn't

854
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: really happened before even you. Are you surprised by the

855
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: degree to which Caitlyn Clark has captured so much of

856
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: the nation's attention, particularly given that she's playing in the WNBA.

857
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 4: I know, because she's a magnetic personality and plays a

858
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 4: great style of game. What has surprised me, though, I

859
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 4: have to tell you, Clay, is how much she desires

860
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 4: the approval of this peer group, to the point of

861
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 4: just taking things and swallowing her own tongue and not

862
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 4: speaking out like Sophie has and just what we were

863
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 4: talking about that has surprised me, And I wonder if

864
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 4: we get to a point with her where where she

865
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 4: now begins to become identified with the very forces that

866
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Speaker 4: a lot of her fans think that she was. She's

867
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 4: kind of being been anointed to oppose because she greatly

868
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 4: desires the mainstream acceptance of the very groups and the

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Speaker 4: very forces that want to rank her eleventh among point

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Speaker 4: forgets she was a senator from Texas and she just

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