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Speaker 1: you filthy horse. Your husband's gone and we've got books

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Speaker 2: It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's memoir, it's Martini.

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Speaker 3: Celebrity poof Club, Read it while it's hot.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity poof Club, tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 2: No boys are loud. Celety book say it loud and.

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Speaker 1: Cloud Celebrity Book Club.

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Speaker 2: Buzz me in. I brought the queer vow. Hey, best friend,

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Speaker 2: I'm loving every other summer.

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Speaker 1: Every other summer is the best feeling. It's just so

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Speaker 1: calming and beautiful. You look so relaxed, you're glowing. Not

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Speaker 1: having seen you in two weeks on the main episode.

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Speaker 2: On the main episode, of course, I saw you on

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Speaker 2: the beaches and on the bike paths because we had

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Speaker 2: time to bike. Because we're doing every other summer.

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Speaker 1: It's just been such a nice change of pace for

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm like, I'm curious, like what the

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Speaker 2: club kids are up to. I feel like they're all

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Speaker 2: learning how to like crochet with alternative materials.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, drop in the comments, how your every other summer

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Speaker 1: is going anyway?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing really well. I'm really centered. I'm really finding

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Speaker 2: Heck, yes, I'd love to hear that from a good friend.

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Speaker 2: When a good friend is centered.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I did actually have a very kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, everyone, Steven is an army wife.

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Speaker 1: Now I know. I'm an army wife. My husband is

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Speaker 2: Oh, because his TD bank was like this, how to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that thing where it like locks it down.

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Speaker 2: Oh, and then you had to get on What's App

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Speaker 1: But it was a beautiful experience connecting with my fellow

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Speaker 1: Stephen one of our favorite couples who have a home

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Speaker 2: It's more like cheerful, Like it's not about being tough

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Speaker 1: Wait, and it's like copper hardware everywhere they're copper coded

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Speaker 2: She's like mine harder. I love how it's just like

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Speaker 2: But yeah, to take it back to their days of

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Speaker 1: That is chic, all vases.

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Speaker 2: Okay, as someone who grew up with tons of books,

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Speaker 1: But the books can't just be like the tom Ford.

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Speaker 1: And like displayed vertically, not just like horizontally.

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Speaker 2: The tom Ford, like Louis Vauton right, and then be

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Speaker 2: like city scapes of New York driftwood, miniterrieum nose, miniterrium, driftwood.

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Speaker 1: How many mediterariums?

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Speaker 3: Sorry in your living row club?

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Speaker 2: Okay. Also, this is just so funny. When she's in college,

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Speaker 2: Horrible thing. I really related with that as someone who

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like in the fashion illustration classes, and

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00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 2: I felt like, you know what, I can't draw. Like fine,

438
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 2: I'll just like give up and like move into a

439
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,239
Speaker 2: more experimental like podcast performance art, which has you know,

440
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: worked for me, but I feel like that is still

441
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 2: in me where I'm like just today, I feel like,

442
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 2: you know, looking at her, I'm like, she wants these things,

443
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 2: but that voice in her head even when you know,

444
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 2: buzz buzz buzz. Throughout Utah, people are saying, Shay McGee

445
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 2: is it right?

446
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: I mean, her nursery went viral and everyone was like,

447
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 1: fuck shame McGhee, Like this nursery is fucking me up

448
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: right now? Sis how did you ever think to put

449
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 1: like a cream colored pendant lamp in an all way room,

450
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: but then also do wallpaper above the Wayne Scotting shocking.

451
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: And when she does the bookshelves, which is so Also

452
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 2: this relationship where he's like, that day I went on

453
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 2: what was to become one of the first of many

454
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 2: diet coke runs.

455
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: Oh god. And then she's like, the diet coke was

456
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: more than diet coke. It was support it wascourage.

457
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: That's also warmed, like, I doubt they even drink coffee.

458
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: The only thing he references red Bull a bunch because

459
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 1: his coffee like sinful, because it's like Italian.

460
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, be Italian. When they like get their big TV break,

461
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 2: they designed a kitchen for Top Chef sweepstakes.

462
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that part was kind of okay.

463
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: And basically that they're like, I'm so nervous, so I

464
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 2: ditched the Red Bull and in my bag, I had

465
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: a sixty four ounce bottle of diet coke.

466
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: You're like, they've never had an alcoholic beverage I think

467
00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: in their lives.

468
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: Just backtracks. They're also what they served at their wedding,

469
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: pesto paninis. They were just like it was the most

470
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 2: epic night. We had two hundred and fifty guests in

471
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: a barn and we ate pesto paninis.

472
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: Oh, and the caterers past pro Shooter rapped asparagus, pesto paninis,

473
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: and Sid's favorite pecan pie squares. The DJ played from

474
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: the hayloft and sent and I danced to cap Power

475
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: Sea of Loves. They're dancing to their barn wedding.

476
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: The most like Mason Jar you know, Melia.

477
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: I mean, because the thing about Proshooter rapped asparagus and

478
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,959
Speaker 1: pesto panini's is like, it's not like so cheesy Christian

479
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: to me, it's like she's from Texas. It's like a

480
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: they're not being text mes, even though they both love

481
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 1: Mexican food, Like they're being a little bit more like

482
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: New York boots. Yeah, it was like, I mean, I

483
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: guess it also sounds like preta manj.

484
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a little more like lunch catering. But

485
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 2: the pestois of it all, well, you know, they probably

486
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: had a bigger budget to spend on pesto because there

487
00:24:59,040 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: was no alcohol.

488
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, that's a great hack. Yeah, do you

489
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: think that there were people at their wedding being so

490
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: flask like some of his like non Mormon boys, I two.

491
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty guests. Someone had to be flask in there.

492
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: Do you think they are friends with non Morms.

493
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: Well, hmm, that's a good question. I don't know. I'm

494
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: also like, do they have friends, Like I feel like

495
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: their life is so busy and McGee and co and

496
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: the kids and like the work that I don't know

497
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: if like it sounds like her best friend is her mom,

498
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: who she says, we can talk about everything from like

499
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: shoes to cookie recipes.

500
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they're super family oriented. So she gets

501
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 1: into design because she just they're redoing the apartment. She's

502
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: posting photos and then keeps getting great feedback and then

503
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: she's realizing maybe this could be a business. And so

504
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: while they're like starting out, I think the main story

505
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: of this book is kind of like her stress over

506
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: social media, like needing to post one.

507
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 2: Also then like kind of explaining what Instagram is and

508
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 2: just being like, we started.

509
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: Posting honestly though they're not wrong. Now she goes we

510
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: brainstorm ways to creatively stretch content across multiple posts. Shay

511
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: committed herself to posting once a day, even if she

512
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: didn't have new projects to share.

513
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 2: Honestly, we could take a note from it.

514
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: We could take a note. It's like I don't want

515
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: to do that. I just don't want my life to

516
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: be that. But it's honestly, it's just like, well, that's

517
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: how you build your business.

518
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: And he said posting him Readsistency is key.

519
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: So what could have been one post about a living

520
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: room turned into ten Shay's hands placing fabric on a

521
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: design board, progress shot, shopping for flowers, sneak peek before

522
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 1: or after, half room, coffee table, vignette, full room view

523
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: from different angles. This is what I'm talking about. It's

524
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: like we need to be doing this and like stretching

525
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: out our contents. Like we make so much content. Literally

526
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: this is now business meeting where I'm like and I

527
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: feel like we've been saying this forever, but it's just

528
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: like so difficult to actually do. But it's like we

529
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: produce so much content, but we're not stretching it out enough.

530
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: And like this is why I've always wanted like more

531
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: video content. So it's like we're having like a little

532
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: clip every day from the same fucking episode.

533
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, but it's just such.

534
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: A fucking hassle to get it all together, and we're

535
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: just like at the end of the day, I'm hanging

536
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: my hat up and I'm having a martini.

537
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like I'm trying to post a lot.

538
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 2: But then you're just like the feedback.

539
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: But should we be more like full grid post of

540
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: just a picture of one book next day, full grid

541
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: post of just your hand on a martine on the

542
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: next day, full grid post of like one of the

543
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: labels of the natural wine we talked about on the

544
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: vip lounge that way, right, next day post of like

545
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: in progress shot of a new T shirt that we're launching,

546
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: and it's like a corner of photoshop.

547
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: This is our problem. And they actually talk about this.

548
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 2: They talk about how like actually, instead of waiting for

549
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: the professional photographer to like launch our new like design

550
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: of like kitchen, we just started posting right, And it's

551
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 2: like we're always like, oh, we need to launch the flow.

552
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: We're always in like launch mode.

553
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: We need to launch the fact that we you know,

554
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 2: did this, or we need to launch the T shirt.

555
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: It is about like mood board, what about this T shirt?

556
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: Like you're right, and this actually brings me back to

557
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: something we've discussed on the pod, but post Malone and

558
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: Morgan Wallen's new song which is blowing up the spotts.

559
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: But like they released a clip of it like two

560
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: months ago that people have been listening to and getting

561
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: excited about for months, and then the song finally comes

562
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: out and I had thought initially like, oh, they're going

563
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: to spend up all of their goodwill for the song,

564
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: like too early, but actually it just created a lot

565
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: more interest and now people are so primed to listen

566
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: to the song because they've been hearing that clip for

567
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: two months. Yeah, and so maybe it is about oh

568
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: but then you know, then we have that eternal debate

569
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: where I'm like, how much more do I want to share?

570
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: And how much more do I want to be in

571
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: my phone? How much more do want we're committing to

572
00:28:59,040 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: this lifestyle?

573
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's something like, right, how much more

574
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 2: do I want to share? And it's not about like

575
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: sharing maybe more of your life, but maybe.

576
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: Stretching, stretching out what you're already doing into more like

577
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: corners and peaks, Yes, sneak peaks and corners peaks.

578
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: And even though they're always talking about this book about

579
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: like and then we crop to the printer out of

580
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: the photo that Shay posted. But then okay, here you go,

581
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: and I feel like, and now this is the red table.

582
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: So they go to Cancun like as like their interior design.

583
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is a harrowing vacation.

584
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: I mean, their business is heating up, but it's like

585
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 2: moment more problems. Of course, now they have all these clients,

586
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: they don't really know how to manage the team, and

587
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: so they go to Cancun and they're like, no, this

588
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: is gonna be just like us family, like sexy, time

589
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: for you to be gay or whatever. But the phones

590
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: don't stop ringing, and it's how big is this chandelier?

591
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: Where should it hang?

592
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: But they have to make content because she has to

593
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: do her one post today. So he's doing a photo

594
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: show of her at the pool while she.

595
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: Mean that is us. I feel like it's like we're

596
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: both on a vacation. Then we're just being like, wait,

597
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: you guys like need to take a photo of us,

598
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: like by this sign.

599
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: So no, I know we need to be like iconic,

600
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: more couple photos of us.

601
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: But then I feel like that's why I was I'm

602
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: always like I've used all of them, and then I'm

603
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: just like I have nothing to post like and I'm

604
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: just like, do I need to find one more fucking TBT?

605
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

606
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think we've used all of them.

607
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: I think there's an endless n of photos of us

608
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: at the end of the day.

609
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: But basically in Cancun they realize they come.

610
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: Back and they're like, we need to like shift our perspective.

611
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's when they like close down the interior

612
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: design business and just get into e commerce pillows and

613
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, we.

614
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: Need to stop taking on new clients and like figure

615
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: out our pillow and our couch business. But like slowly

616
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: they do.

617
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: Oh. Also during the show, they did this where she

618
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: goes to her two year old, which this is the

619
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: reason to have kids. She goes, Wren show me how

620
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: to fluff a pillow, and the girl loves it, and

621
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: she goes, now, karate chop, and then the girl does

622
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: like the chop in the middle to have, like.

623
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: Im the karate chop. I feel like this weird trend

624
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: it started. I don't know if it was selling Sunset,

625
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: but I started to see it on a lot of

626
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: these home design and like all of the like realtors

627
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: and whatever inter her designer people love to say the chop.

628
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: It's like this like meme. It's become to them that

629
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, it's so interesting, And I'm like, personally,

630
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: I think the chop looks weird.

631
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: I think the chop can work. But each pillow doesn't.

632
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: Have getting chopped. Yeah, it's like all the sudden it

633
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: looks like it looks like a restaurant or something. I

634
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: don't know, it's weird.

635
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: I went to be gianco dot com and I was like,

636
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: their pillows are going for like two hundred.

637
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: No, they're settees are like forty three hundred for a

638
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: fucking like small couch.

639
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: Even though in this book she talks about like her

640
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: dream was to have a target line because she loves target,

641
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: It's like, well.

642
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: They do have the target line. It's I do think

643
00:31:59,560 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: they do have.

644
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: I mean she is the most target person ever, because

645
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: like the whole thing about target is like how to

646
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: like be a baller on a budget.

647
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: But the actual target shopper is way more like cluttered

648
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: than she is. The actual target shopper is so like

649
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: bins of laundry everywhere on MESSI bun Target run in Like.

650
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm trying to like style, like it's like

651
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: people who shop at Target, Like it's about like this

652
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: kind of fake, more bougie on a budget, Like.

653
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: She's the aspirational target for the Target shopper.

654
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and they're just buying all the bins because they're

655
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: buying her bins. But then they're buying like Joanna Gaines

656
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: Alto bins. Yeah, and then they have this closet full

657
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: of pillows.

658
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: I love the lang where she goes. I've always been

659
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: a fan of carpet as a backdrop for furniture, which

660
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: I do think really speaks to her, like weird neutral

661
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: style where she's like all carpets have to be cream

662
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: or dusky rose or dusky blue or like a dusky sage,

663
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: like a carpet has to be like just so fading

664
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: into the background. And she's not doing like an architectural

665
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: digest like funk carpet cover.

666
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: Except when they finally did get a message from ad

667
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: that changed everything everything.

668
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they have this job from this rich couple

669
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: and like at first she turns down the job because

670
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: she's like it's too big of a project. I can't

671
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: do it. She's like too not confident herself as a designer,

672
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: has imposter syndrome. Then their business is growing, so she says, yes,

673
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: they have this massive estate that they're like, yes, we

674
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: want contemporary country and like rustic cheek, but we also

675
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: wanted to be modern, basically describing like all of the

676
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: normal stawe she always does. And she was like, I

677
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: was so nervous to do modern, and they also want

678
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: me to incorporate this one steel ibeam into the design somewhere,

679
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: and she's like, I had no idea how I was

680
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: gonna incorporate the ibeam to get that industrial look. So

681
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: then she finally solves the problem, and her solve is

682
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: to make the I beam the mantle of the fireplace

683
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: and just have this like steel facade of the fireplace

684
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 1: in the midst of this like all white room. And

685
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: the final result is so fucking boring and like not fabulous.

686
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: And then there's just like the antlers above the fireplace

687
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: and it's so fucking Denver Hiatt Lobby.

688
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: No, that's the thing. It's like they could even like

689
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: be just a little more. When all the housewives and

690
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills go to Aspen and like be like a

691
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: tiny bit more lodge.

692
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: Well, and the couple was worried that stone would be

693
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: too large. It's like, why are we worried about being

694
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: too large. Let's just get a little lodgy, just.

695
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 2: Get a tiny bit lodge. But yeah, it was like okay,

696
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: we're walking into Hyatt Denver and then they have these

697
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: like Ralph Lauren couches and then my least favorite type

698
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: of chair in the dining room, which is I like

699
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 2: to call the modern funeral director.

700
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: When it's fabric fabric on a chair.

701
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, a tall fabric chair that like looks like a

702
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: funeral person put like just a sheet over it.

703
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: It's like, why is the chair wearing a dress?

704
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: Like a bad, ugly ass dress.

705
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: So Ad I wants to shoot this house, this Denver

706
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: Hyatt that she did, she's been like.

707
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: A d my favorite magazine ever. And it's like it's.

708
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: Like, you don't seem likely inspired by Ady, you seem

709
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: inspired by Target.

710
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: I think. Also she reads stuff in AD but it's

711
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: so just like, oh, that's like not me because I'm

712
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: so provo, Like she's seeing a hotel that they're covering,

713
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: you know, who knows in Bali.

714
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I did think it was really relatable. When

715
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: she talked on that infamous CanCon tip where they go

716
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: to the famous cook cookin ye, I was about to

717
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: read this passage.

718
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: Okay, work was our life and we'd forgotten how to

719
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: do anything outside of it. I couldn't relax, even though

720
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: we needed to. When we spent a day and tuloom.

721
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: We walked around town, stopping in every fruit stand and

722
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: wandering through boutiques. It was on my bucket list to

723
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: visit the famous Cookey Cokey Hotel and see their pared

724
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: down white plaster walls contrasting against dark stained beams and

725
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: hammocks stripping with fringe. I hope to bring home a

726
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: bottle of their eponymous perfume that smelled like the Yucatan,

727
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: with top notes of coconut and bitter greens. We found

728
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: the hotel and instead of soaking in it, I had

729
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: to find something to post on Instagram. Period. How relatable

730
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 2: is that wanting to see.

731
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: A hotel, but you're so focused on telegraphing how inspired

732
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: you are by the hotel to Instagram that you can't

733
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: actually enjoy it. Be in the moment We've all experienced

734
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: that on vacation.

735
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: But hack for travel if you feel like, oh, you

736
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: can't stay at like this really shey hotel, just go

737
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: to the hotel bar. Oh yeah, just soak it in

738
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: or not go have fruit if you're Mormon, Yeah, and

739
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: just walk around and look at the lobby.

740
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: You know, I love to lobby hop when I'm lobby hopping. Also,

741
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: I'll say this another hack for vacationing. This may or

742
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: might may not actually be good advice, but to not

743
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: get sucked into Instagram. I mean, like take photos with

744
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: your phone throughout the day to remember the amazing places,

745
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: but then just reserve ten minutes at the end of

746
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: the day to do your posting and then sort of

747
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: move on so you're not sort of like live streaming

748
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: in your whole vacation.

749
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I agree. But then also it's okay, just

750
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: we Devil's advocate for a second. Sometimes when you see

751
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: someone do do that, you're like, oh, all of a sudden,

752
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: then you see this whole day and you're like, posted

753
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: two minutes ago, posted three minutes ago, posted the story,

754
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: and you're kind of like, okay, it just seems like

755
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: you were waiting for Wi Fi.

756
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: But I mean isn't that cool because you're like, wow,

757
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: they're in the place without Wi Fi. They must be

758
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: and the.

759
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: Live stream throughout the day. But then it's kind of like, okay,

760
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: cool now I know you're like laying down on the

761
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: hot It.

762
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: Is a little bit I can see you laying down

763
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: the hotel bat which is problematic for maintaining the kind

764
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: of fantasy of vacation. I know what you mean.

765
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 2: Right. Other option, get an old VHS camera like I did,

766
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 2: take a cool docum memory of your vacation.

767
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 1: Send it to your brother who's marketing business you quick,

768
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: who runs.

769
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: A digital VHS conversion agency.

770
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: And have him put together an eight minute reel.

771
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: So it's like, right, Shay is doing all this being like,

772
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: oh I was loving the beams. And then Sid will

773
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: be like I knew I had to quit my brother's

774
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: digital marketing agency. Our Irish blood runs hot, and one

775
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: day I went in there and I told him I quit.

776
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: And let's just say he told me they get out

777
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: of there with a few more four letter words.

778
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: It sounds like maybe him and the brother like aren't

779
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: friends anymore.

780
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: Still aren't speaking. He's like, and we have moved past that,

781
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 2: but like it took a long time.

782
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like when people say they're like, okay, so

783
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: you still hate each other.

784
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely don't talk.

785
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: So a big turning point was when they actually redid

786
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: her parents home, and the photos on Instagram.

787
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: We're really really really blew up because her parents moved

788
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: from Wait, Utah to from Texas, Texas, Texas.

789
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: It does sound like they moved from Utah to Utah

790
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: because it really is like so suburban in this world

791
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: where it's like it all looks the same. But of

792
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: all the rooms I designed for my parents, their mudroom

793
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: is probably the most copied room I've ever designed to

794
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: this day. The room itself was an unusual feature in

795
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: the home because it was situated between the kitchen and

796
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: the garage. It's like that could not be less unusual.

797
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: That's exactly where room with doors on both ends, like

798
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: a breezeway leading from the front yard to the back.

799
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: It's just like this is like the most normal thing

800
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: for a mudroom to be doing is to be between

801
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: kitchen and garage. To maximize the square footage, Steve and

802
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: I made this space the hardest working room in the home.

803
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: If it a wash her dryer, a built in bench,

804
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: with hooks, storage for cleaning supplies, and a powder bathroom

805
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: in one corner. The mudroom was a landing zone to

806
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: drop groceries in snowy boots, and a place for grandkids

807
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: throwing from the backyard with muddy feet and wet swimsuits

808
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: after playing this bokquis. The drop zone is a drop

809
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: zone that charm. She's kind of acting like she pioneered it,

810
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: and maybe she did to some extent. I don't know.

811
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: It's hard to say, like how this concept of the hooks,

812
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: because I do feel like every mudroom I'm seeing on

813
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: these shows now, it's there's always like bench hooks, cubbies.

814
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: It's so like kindergarteno no, I know, and it's kind

815
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: of and again it's in this muted blue and so

816
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: you're kind of like it's your adult cubby. I would

817
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: call that room in my house growing up a mudroom.

818
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: When you first walked into the Richdale calendar, yeah yeah,

819
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, I just got a whift smell.

820
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: I know, it was like this smell.

821
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: It was a musty, carpeted cold.

822
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: I think it was like.

823
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: Stoned the floor and the mudroom of stone.

824
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And there were like hooks.

825
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: And there were hooks, and were you dropping all of

826
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: your little boots and like.

827
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: I feel like I was dropping my snowy boots and

828
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: my bats.

829
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: We had a mudroom, as I mean, you remember in

830
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: my house you walk in from the garage and there's

831
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: that fur room right there. There was the nanny hallway

832
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: to the left and the dining room to the right,

833
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: and it was that first little room and there was

834
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: a closet. Yeah, but it was small. It was quite small,

835
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: and there wasn't copies, there wasn't a bench. It did

836
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: become kind of a chaotic drop zone.

837
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 2: Well, they are also sit in shade. They redo their

838
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: like VP of operations in this episode. And because you know,

839
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: we grew up in the days of the middle class

840
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: having this stuffy, formal dining room that was never used, yes,

841
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: and like every house had that.

842
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: And now I feel like when people want it, it's

843
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: like they're being quirky and retro to want a dining room, right,

844
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 1: Like it's always like the one girl being like I

845
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: just have this dream of having a formal dining room,

846
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: even though I know it's like weird for me to

847
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: do that, Like I'm actually so quirked the fuck up.

848
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 2: Right, and now design is all about having like a

849
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: modern pine table with a modern built in benches, with

850
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 2: modern storage and cubbies.

851
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: So it's like you can't actually even have chairs. It's

852
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: just benches and stools. It's the lobbyisfication lobby life.

853
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: She Redes write her VP's like house who just like

854
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: is so obsessed with her and fanning out the whole time.

855
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 2: It is like I can't believe I'm talking to Sid

856
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: and it's like, well believe it.

857
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: You're like the CMO of the company, and.

858
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: They fully get rid of her formal dining room that's

859
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: actually still even being kind of tweet and modern and

860
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: make it a butler's pantry.

861
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think storage is essential, but I

862
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: do think that just like doing away with any kind

863
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: of at least scalable to formality dining room table is

864
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: a mistake.

865
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 2: Well, dining room table is so add for Will Spargo

866
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: about people looking at.

867
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: Bills, yes, and like and it's just Kyles.

868
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a woman like this and the husband.

869
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: With a calculator calculator and they're just look at each

870
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: other like, I don't think we can do it.

871
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: Before we kind of head to segments. Just one of

872
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: the biggest downfalls they deal with is they realize that

873
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: one of their where houses stealing.

874
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: Stealing their furniture for their own lobby.

875
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: And they're like, we got there and there was like

876
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: our set tea couch in the lobby.

877
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: Our beautiful McGee and co. Like all of the numbers

878
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: weren't adding up, and.

879
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: Like they like hues weren't adding up.

880
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: Inventory was not matching to what it was supposed to be,

881
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: and the couches were missing. And then also there but

882
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: they were also sending them like free tickets to the

883
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: Utah and she was like, oh, that's why you sent

884
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: me all those Utah Jazz tickets because you were stealing cities.

885
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: No, it fucking adds up. Okay, everything comes with the price.

886
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: The end of the book gets really shipping and handling

887
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 2: and it's like they move so many warehouses.

888
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also the Netflix thing, which is like why

889
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: anyone knows who they are? It's just like gloss over

890
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: so quick. And she's like and then Netflix called, let

891
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: we had a meeting with them, and I was super

892
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: prepared and we got the show and we were ourselves

893
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: and it was super authentic and.

894
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: It was awesome, but then it's just like forty pages

895
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: being so like we hadn't set up the SKEW system

896
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: because actually the warehouse we were using in Greater Provo

897
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 2: had a different system.

898
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: And honestly, that's the worst.

899
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 2: And then the guys actually built beautiful shelving for our warehouse.

900
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: It's always fucking open shelving with them. And I love

901
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: at the beginning when the contractors like, they're like, uh,

902
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: you can't really store anything in this fucking open concept shelving,

903
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: Like maybe you want to think about some more cabinets

904
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: in here, and she's like no, and she's like, I'm

905
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: so glad I'm stuck to my gun that it's like, well, okay,

906
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: but they're right because all you want to do is

907
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: have these quote European style open shelving where you're putting

908
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: three bowls and that's it.

909
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: People love the open shelving. And I'll let me tell

910
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: you this as a maid, here's the thing about open shelving.

911
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 2: If you don't have a maid dusting your open shelving

912
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: every day, those open shelves get pc dirty, and then

913
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: the plates get dust too, and then your little Bodega

914
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: CB two glasses are getting dusty. How choose your fighter.

915
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: Because the cabinet actually prevents desk accumulation, right, So I

916
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: mean that's like so true, And people don't think about

917
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: her adding way more work. Well, these people probably don't

918
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: know what they're made is going through exactly.

919
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: They don't know. They literally don't know.

920
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: So rude fucked up my head.

921
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: Oh and then the other thing is like her having

922
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: like a come to Jesus moment when she just like

923
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: walks into a store that has like succulents and pillows

924
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: in California and she's just like Sid was browsing t

925
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: shirts and I've walked into the store and I was

926
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: so shook, and it's like, haven't you ever been to

927
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: just like a tweet store with plants and napkins?

928
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: I think that's what's beautiful about her Mormonism is like

929
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: it allows her to be like excited by the most

930
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: basic stuff on the planet over and over and over again. Right,

931
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: that's what keeps her going.

932
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: She's the indie one for like using succulents in Utah, yes, California,

933
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 2: and discovering a napkin.

934
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: Right in a store that has succlance is like mind blowing.

935
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: And then She's like, a store needs to create a

936
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: sensory experience, and honestly, she's not wrong about that, And

937
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: I do think more people need to remember that that

938
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: your storefront is not about selling. It's about a sensory

939
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: experience for customers that is going to engage them with

940
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: the brand and make them remember the brand and want

941
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: to go shop for e commerce on your website. Tell

942
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: people about your store, tell people about your brand, how

943
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: it is a marketing and a sensory opportunity.

944
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: First and foremost, when you go into a store and

945
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 2: it smells amazing, you remember it. When you go into

946
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: say an Alison Olivia boutique and they are preparing free

947
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: Cosumeigo's margaritas, that's.

948
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: When you're going to tell all your girlfriends about the

949
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: Alison Olivia papa.

950
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: Or your mother because you're so close. Hey, girlfriend, Alison

951
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: Olivia is serving up amazing cosmegos margat is. Get your

952
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: butt down here.

953
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: Okay. I think my favorite part of the book, though,

954
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: is the acknowledgment section. Christine Monson. First of all, all

955
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: these names are like so you Carly Grimes, Jamie with

956
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: two E's Livingstone, Tawny Walker Walker, Christine with a k

957
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: monson your eyes unmatched and we're thankful you know, lead

958
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: the team to style our bookshelves. Kelsey Lindley, We've watched

959
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: you grow from intern by the Swamp Cooler to design

960
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: leader Rock sand Wise. You were right about switching to Shopify.

961
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: That line killed me, girl. You were right about movie

962
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 2: to Shopify.

963
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: And this episode is sponsored by Shopify.

964
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 2: Use code CBC at check out wweet what's that sounds even?

965
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: Oh, that's the sound of another Shopify sale.

966
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: That's the sound of us going into seconds.

967
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: Make beautiful?

968
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 2: What does she eat?

969
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: What does she wear? How does she live? Certainly know

970
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: how she lives?

971
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: She lives copper mutual couch and like he's sitting on

972
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: it and she's being like, don't get too comfortable on

973
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 2: this like linen couch.

974
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like, Oh, he's always sitting on the couch

975
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: with his socks off or something.

976
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 2: And it's just like he has like grown up like

977
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: Indie cat power style where he's like skinny salvage. Maybe

978
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 2: they're not even selvage, but like they look sealvage. They're

979
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 2: not the brown boots.

980
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: He has like super normal like Nashville mail style.

981
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like shopping at like what's that store Garden

982
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: and Raw Garden and Gun.

983
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: You're talking about that place. There's like one in Dumbo

984
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: that's right across from Scotch and Soda and it's called

985
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: like Roden Gun or something. Her style is.

986
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,959
Speaker 2: Like elevated target, Like she has more cottage core where

987
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: she is in like.

988
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: But it's somewhere between like TikTok Milkmaid and like Live

989
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: Left Love and like girl Boss because she's not fully

990
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: wearing like wide like pantsuits.

991
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: She'll be in like a full like milk made cottage

992
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: or prairie dress, but then she'll be in like a

993
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 2: wrapped massive duster with like multiple belts.

994
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: It's like a little more QVC.

995
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: I do think she does buy a lot of her

996
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 2: clothes off Instagram.

997
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's Instagram brands, and like she's definitely wearing spanks

998
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: or whatever the new Instagram like body suit like underneath

999
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: her topses.

1000
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: And then like probably also a bunch of like Salt

1001
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: Lake boutiques. She's doing the bookshelves for like Lawless Ladies, Yeah,

1002
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: lawd Lady, and they're like for.

1003
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: Their amazing store in downtown SLC.

1004
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: Because I mean the boutiques are popping off there.

1005
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: Oh, the street level retail is incredible and salt like,

1006
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: And that's what I tell all of my clients.

1007
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: It's almost impossible to get in the scene. What if

1008
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: they eat they're very like fake pancake family, like they're

1009
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: always eating pancakes on screen.

1010
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, socause, well they love to like make meals with

1011
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: their kids because there shows off their massive island and

1012
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: then it's like saying that they're a good family and

1013
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: like he loves cereal because he's a kid at heart.

1014
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: That's just sweet tooth and they're like talking about also

1015
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 2: like a tweet donut place that they love, and you

1016
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: can tell it's a tweet donut place because they're like,

1017
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 2: we had to stop by Sidecard Donuts, famous for their

1018
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: butter and salt donuts.

1019
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I bet those are good. But it's

1020
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 1: just like the thing where it's like it is very

1021
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: donut while wedding, where it's just like he's the man

1022
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: in his one personality trait that he's allowed to have

1023
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: is like sweet tooth is donut and that's all he

1024
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: gets kind of all he gets.

1025
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: Really, what I do feel like is sad whether or not,

1026
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 2: like he's gay or is into her, and they are

1027
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: weirdly like having sex once a year is like do

1028
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 2: you think in their big suv like they're still like

1029
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 2: putting on cap power? Oh and is he now like

1030
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 2: putting on the Killers? Being like remember the song babe,

1031
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: and she's just like turn it off.

1032
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: I think it's a little more like, yes, you still

1033
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: put on the killers, be like, oh my god, Like

1034
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: you are so crazy and chaotic for love this band.

1035
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 1: It's never a dull moment with you. Oh my god,

1036
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: our life is crazyane? How do we hold it all together?

1037
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: One second you're listening to the Killers, the next you're

1038
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: having cereal with our daughter and our spotless kitchen.

1039
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: I have to go for a meeting, But I love

1040
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: you so much and I love what we've created together.

1041
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: But also kind of rolling her eyes, being like I

1042
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: can't believe you're this insane listening to Killers.

1043
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: Or even like putting on the killers.

1044
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because then I wonder if maybe they're just like,

1045
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: actually it's time for like really quiet Christian rock.

1046
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: I don't think they've pivoted Christian rock. She is like

1047
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 2: true Crime Pod to me. I feel like she's stopped

1048
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 2: listening to music.

1049
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: She seems too like doesn't have the attention span to

1050
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,479
Speaker 1: like sit in her car listen to True Crime pod

1051
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: for like, I guess she's probably always on like a

1052
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: forty five minute drive in her HUSUV.

1053
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and is tuning in to like and she's like,

1054
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, I like this stuff. Don't tell anyone

1055
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm dark.

1056
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: What if it's straight up Bible versus it could be that, Okay,

1057
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: who are you? In the book?

1058
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: I feel like I am working in an office in

1059
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: one of their like earlier sketchy Salt Lake office rentals, and.

1060
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: She's as a maid or like as.

1061
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 2: Like working in the dentist office.

1062
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: I don't know the below, just like who are this

1063
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: weird warming couple?

1064
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: Yell like freaks?

1065
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: I could see myself. There are times, though, when I

1066
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: do think that she has like a good sense of

1067
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: scale in her designs and I'm like, oh, or like

1068
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: the level of the quality of rent and we're like, okay,

1069
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: like you actually did a great job, like building a

1070
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: little step there and like turning this like side room

1071
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: into like a much more like functional and open like

1072
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: sitting room. That's nice, but I just hate how it's

1073
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: like so boring and bland. And then like but to compare.

1074
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: Them to Joanna, Like, I feel like Joanna is just

1075
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 2: like this crazy bot at this you know, like, yes,

1076
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 2: Johanna loves buying like a Wheel, but I'm.

1077
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: Like he's definitely less like Wheel, which than Joanna, which

1078
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: I appreciate better out.

1079
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: Like construction, yes, and like knocking down walls and like

1080
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: totally transforming some nasty old house. And I feel like

1081
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: she is better at being like okay, basic other girl boss,

1082
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: like let's kind of create a vibe even if it

1083
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: is right boring. I feel like you are kind of

1084
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: shade just because you have got to sign this surgery

1085
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 2: and you're being like, wait, take photos of me at.

1086
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Speaker 1: The pool, No, for sure? And I empathize identify with

1087
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of her type anus.

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00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: I'm so crazy in type A and.

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00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: Some crazy and type and there's never a dull moment

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00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: round my insane house. It's always chaos here.

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00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: And I guess I'm I relate to her my chip

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00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: on my shoulder by.

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00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: Drawing right, and it's time for you to like literally

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00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 1: start your business.

1095
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 2: My business, my shorts business.

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00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: It also made me think of like, how know they

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00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: tried other Johns and they always came back to do

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00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: because like advising her friends on what pillows to buy,

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00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: I always gave her more joy than anything else she

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00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: was doing. And it made me think about that in

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00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: like cocktails and like.

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00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,959
Speaker 2: Right, it's like what if you always loved doing right

1103
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 2: drinking king?

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Speaker 1: And I'm kind of like maybe that's like I need

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00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: to go towards that, and like it is about the bar,

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00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: and like Sam asked us on a recent episode of

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00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: our podcast on the vip Lounge, like what we would

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00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: want to do in like a secret other life, and

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00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I do want to open a

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00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: gin bar? And I will you want to be so hotel?

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00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: Well that too, but I was also like sandwiches, Oh, sandwiches, Yeah,

1112
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: but then you're really do you want to be Dan

1113
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 2: day out? And then I was like, oh, would the

1114
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: passion be gone? Would the passion begone for Jin if

1115
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: you were like.

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00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: Oh, Like, I know that's the problem with like jobs,

1117
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: as they make everything suck.

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00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: Right, Like you know, it's like, oh, my passion was

1119
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: talking to my friend Steven and now it's.

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Speaker 1: Right now it's like, oh my god, kill me before

1121
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: killing episode of this fucking podcast again.

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00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, I know, I know what you mean, yeah,

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00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 2: it's crazy. Okay, well we're on that journey.

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Speaker 1: So what do you give this book?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I give this book Honestly, I had so much

1126
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 2: fun reading this and about their skews. I give it

1127
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 2: a four wow, four antlers out of five. I guess

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00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 2: I miss like reading like something tombn quick, tom and quick.

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00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 2: But I also just like loved how it was about

1130
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: like shipping and handling.

1131
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: No, and I appreciated all her like honesty about posting

1132
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: like that felt real to me in a way that

1133
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: people don't usually get. I liked that it was topping

1134
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: out at like two eleven. Yeah, books getting up intil

1135
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: like two eighty nine three point fifteen, Like they need

1136
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: to stop that. Most books should be around two hundred pages.

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Speaker 2: I also loved it because it was like Mormon without

1138
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: being Mormon, so it was just Mormon culture.

1139
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: It's yeah. I mean, it would be interesting if they

1140
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: ever admit it to me. More Mormon ever, but I

1141
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: guess that makes them more universal accessible.

1142
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just kind of like casual, like we're.

1143
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: More Yeah, of course you don't talk about being Mormon.

1144
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, more Mormons, of course. We love the killers.

1145
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, thanks for listening. Guys, is another fun episode.

1146
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's be to all what is like the Mormon prayer?

1147
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: Praise, Praise our elders, Praise our.

1148
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 2: Elders, john sisters, brothers.

1149
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: And if you haven't praised your elders is in me

1150
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: and Lily please go great a review of our podcast on.

1151
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 2: Apple Anyway, thanks for listening. As always, you guys lift

1152
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: me up and bring me closer to God every single day.

1153
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: And I know you're listening.

1154
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: And if you want more of us, you head over

1155
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: to patrinon Accomplice CBC. The pod. We really try to

1156
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: give you lots of content and stretch content and over there,

1157
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: so keep stretching best best.

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Speaker 2: This really cool, awesome episode was exactly produced by Christina Everett,

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00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 2: who I went to bring them young with. She was

1160
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 2: like a sister to me and we could talk about

1161
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: everything from salad recipes to shopping the tough stuff like

1162
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 2: classes in the finals.

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Speaker 1: Our producer is the incredible Derby Masters who paved the

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Speaker 1: way with grace.

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Speaker 2: Our superprising producer is a Boo Zafar who is i'll

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Speaker 2: say it, my husband.

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Speaker 1: Our original theme song was created by Steam Phillips host Stephen.

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00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: Your eye is unmatched and I'm so thankful to have

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00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: had you lead the team to where it is. With

1170
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: all this style and finance and personality that you bring

1171
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: to the table, you remind me of the hairdresser Patrick.

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Speaker 2: Our artwork was done by Teddy Blank, who is a

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00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: local Provo artist. Many people don't know that there's an

1174
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Speaker 2: art scene in Provo. There is.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to thank our former partners at Prologue Projects.

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Speaker 1: You were right about switching to Shopify.