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Speaker 1: For John Nick and Kenny Florian Podcast for John Annik

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Speaker 1: and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 2: I love him. I can't get enough level that the

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Speaker 2: next John Becker, Duffy and Fret feels hot. Ye. I

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Speaker 2: believe there are a couple of absolutely self involved. Here

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Speaker 2: are your hosts, John Nick and Kenny Florian. That's a.

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Speaker 3: Somebody said Cody added at Dan Hooker's SoundBite to our

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Speaker 2: I didn't hear it there, but maybe it's not a

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Speaker 2: bad idea.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of not bad ideas, how about going live on

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Speaker 3: a Sunday to recap a pay per view. It is

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Speaker 3: episode five thirteen of the ancon Floring podcast. Good Sunday

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Speaker 3: to you, easy like Sunday morning. Maybe you're multitasking watching

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Speaker 3: football right now as I'm doing It is September fifteenth,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. This our five hundred and thirteenth episode,

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Speaker 3: Ken Flo, it's great to see you, buddy. What'd you

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Speaker 3: think of? What'd you think of?

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Speaker 2: No ja UFC? What a crazy night? Huh? It was

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Speaker 2: a crazy night man.

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Speaker 4: First of all, yeah, go Pats, got a little bit

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Speaker 4: of allergies going on here, Johnny, But dude, it was

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Speaker 4: a long night.

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Speaker 2: But it was really fun.

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Speaker 4: Man, It's always cool to kind of see new things

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Speaker 4: inject into the sport, you know, and see so some

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Speaker 4: of the things that work, some of the things that

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Speaker 4: did work. But man, overall, I thought it was a

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Speaker 4: pretty solid night for the UFC. And yeah, lots to

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Speaker 4: talk about though, So I do have some questions for

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Speaker 4: you as far as the television aesthetic.

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Speaker 3: And sometimes when I talk about things in a positive way,

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Speaker 3: people suggest that maybe I'm shilling for the UFC or

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Speaker 3: a hyperbolic promotionally, right, But when it came to this

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Speaker 3: venue and this live event, I'm there for rehearsals on

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Speaker 3: Thursday and Friday, and I'm ingesting all of this content

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Speaker 3: and thinking, if you're in Las Vegas, you need to

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Speaker 3: come see this thing, and.

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Speaker 2: People at home are going to be effectively blown away

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 3: So what size TV were you watching on and to

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Speaker 3: what extent did you think, Kenny, that the visuals from

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Speaker 2: So I wasn't on my big TV. I was.

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Speaker 4: I was in bed at that at that point when

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Speaker 4: the main card started. But so I was like a

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Speaker 4: fifty five inch or something like that. But it was cool,

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Speaker 4: like a lot of the things that came on. I

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Speaker 4: was like, oh wow, Like it was trippy to see, Like,

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Speaker 4: you know, I always think that fights from a from

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Speaker 2: Looks cool when you see like.

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Speaker 4: The crowd kind of surrounded around the octagon, because it's

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Speaker 4: just like it's the perfect venue for it.

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Speaker 2: So that was a little different visually for me.

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Speaker 4: And of course you had these crazy graphics behind everything,

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Speaker 2: Kept throwing me off. But it was wild, man.

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Speaker 4: It was almost like this, you know, virtual world that

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Speaker 2: That was pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: It's almost like this video game type experience with actual

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Speaker 4: Like my wife would mentionally like, oh my god. She

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Speaker 2: Bro, it was the sickest shit I've ever seen.

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Speaker 4: Live must have been totally different, like totally different.

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Speaker 3: My brother Jason took a picture and he was sitting

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Speaker 3: right behind us as he always is of Diego Lopez

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable crazy.

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Speaker 3: I feel pretty convicted in saying that despite the UFC's

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Speaker 3: deal with MGM, that at some point this will be

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Speaker 2: So there were a few things that didn't go particularly great.

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Speaker 3: up being obnoxiously long, with five decisions, and even though

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Speaker 3: zel Huber and Esteban Ribevic's Kent Flow. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: Las two fights took like ninety minutes and neither were

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Speaker 3: more entertaining for me than Sean O'Malley versus Moroan Dwalash Willy.

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Speaker 3: So I found myself thinking after the fact, if you had.

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Speaker 2: This UFC three to zero eight car at Sphere.

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Speaker 3: Right, and with respect forget Mexican Independence Day first second,

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Speaker 3: no ch UFC right. Let's say you do the ear

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Speaker 3: and just for a second for your imagination, pretend that

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Speaker 3: you're getting Kamzachi Maya versus Robert Whittaker, Alexander Rockets versus

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Speaker 3: Maga met Ancalive. Your main event is Max Holloway versus

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Speaker 3: Ilia Topulia. On paper, UFC three oh seven and UFC

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Speaker 3: three to eight are absolutely absurd, and I think if

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, and you know you're not going to

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Speaker 4: get every single one right, But I think also for

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Speaker 4: is you know, they have it down expertly, right, they

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Speaker 2: Being at a venue like this, I think you.

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Speaker 4: Know better than I do, but probably presented a lot

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Speaker 3: Right, Seanamalley obviously could have turned in another highlight and

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Speaker 3: I just want to say to our entire live production team,

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Speaker 3: there's only so much bandwidth I think we all have

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Speaker 2: But just incredible to be a part of it.

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Speaker 3: For me to be able to see Joe, Rogan and

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Speaker 3: our directors, Anthony Giordano and Glenn Weise's incredible job. And

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Speaker 3: champion and Ken Flow. Indeed, it is the Georgian Morob

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Speaker 3: Dwalash Willie. He gets it done by unanimous decision forty

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Speaker 3: about the scorecards, Sean O'Malley winning rounds three and five,

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Speaker 3: but the rightful man won. Kenny and Morabs strategized, he

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Speaker 4: He really could do it for twenty rounds. Absolutely believe him.

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Speaker 3: So I am sitting here with the California State Athletic

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Speaker 3: the cracks. We had an extended conversation with Longo about this.

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Speaker 3: I got a text from Big John McCarthy Kenny Corners

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Speaker 2: Maybe Grade three or Grade four.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think it's tricky because it sounds like

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Speaker 2: First of all, Morob won. He won. Not only did

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and who knows, right, you can have the most

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Speaker 4: do you want O'Malley to get a knockout at the

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Speaker 4: wrong time? Like what is going on? And so it's

435
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 4: tough for me, because actually it was. It was good

436
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 4: to see Herbdean be more were engaged in the fight,

437
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 4: but not like that.

438
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 2: You can't.

439
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 4: That's when there's a certain level of bias or intervention

440
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 4: where it's just kind of on call for So, yeah, agree.

441
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 3: I'm friends with a lot of these referees. I have

442
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 3: had public dust ups with some of them. But you know,

443
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 3: to Jason Herzog, Mark Smith, John McCarthy, Mark Goddard, like

444
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 3: with total respect, I dare want of you guys to

445
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 3: text me and defend Herb Dean's verbals in that situation.

446
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 3: I got a text message from Tyson Chartier, coach at

447
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: the New England Cartel I and assume many more really

448
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 3: appreciated your pushback on Herb Dean asking for more action

449
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 3: and trying to influence the fight was very frustrating to see.

450
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 2: Thank you for doing that, And.

451
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 3: I have to live with myself, right And I went

452
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 3: on the post fight show and regrettably called Monol Fuelre

453
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 3: a bad bitch.

454
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 2: Okay, now she's a bad bitch.

455
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 3: I think she's gonna fight for the title next But

456
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 3: I'm judged by every utterance over eight hours.

457
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 2: But at that point in.

458
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 3: Time, Joe Rogan is in the octagon and the need

459
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 3: to say what I said, and I have to deal

460
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 3: with the consequences, whether that's from Dana White or Craig

461
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 3: Borsari or Herb Dean or anybody else. But I also

462
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 3: have a job to do, and in this situation, I

463
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 3: found it to be very off putting that in the

464
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 3: fifth round of this fight, all of a sudden, Herb

465
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 3: Dean is gonna insist that, you know, morob work when

466
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 3: he's not really doing anything all that differently than he

467
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 3: had done for four rounds.

468
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 2: I found it to be fucking insane. Yeah, it didn't

469
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 2: really make a whole lot of sense.

470
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Speaker 4: I don't know where it came from, even at the end,

471
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 4: like it was confusing. There was the point where where

472
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 4: Morob was kissing the back of O'Malley. Remember he kind

473
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 4: of had him like a headlock slash guillotine, And after

474
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 4: he got up, I think there was confusion from Morob

475
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 4: that the round had ended, right, and at one point

476
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 4: Herb Dean kind of you're like, hey hey, he literally

477
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 4: calls out, hey, hey hey, gets in between them the

478
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 4: round is not over yet, right, oh Man kind of

479
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 4: like gets some last like links in on Morob, and

480
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 4: it was just it was just very confusing on what

481
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,120
Speaker 4: was going on there and for Herb Dean.

482
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 2: And again I know it's louder in there.

483
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 4: Things can be confusing, but that was another little mistake

484
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 4: which I didn't really understand what was going on. So yeah,

485
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 4: it wasn't a great night for Herb Dean. And referees

486
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 4: are going to make mistakes. We're all gonna make mistakes.

487
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: We're human. But that fight, to me in particular, was

488
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: a little odd.

489
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 3: And I do think referees and judges are put in

490
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 3: such a hard position. I think the judges have fewer

491
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 3: resources than anybody really who works in mixed martial arts.

492
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 3: But I do think, as I've said, repeatedly. These referees

493
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 3: are universally praise when they allow fights to go long

494
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 3: and greatness ensues, and they're roundly criticized when they stop

495
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 3: fights too early. You know, I mean the Daniel zel

496
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 3: Hooper Esteban Rebevic's fite. Thank god it continued, right, But

497
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 3: I do think you are seeing from the elite referees

498
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 3: longer and longer leashes. And in this particular main event,

499
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Speaker 3: I think Herb Dean will have to assess his work

500
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 3: and maybe affect some change. All right, It's a championship

501
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 3: Sunday here on the Anakim florin podcast time. Now to

502
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 3: go three wide and welcome in the star of the show,

503
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: the future UFC Hall of Famer. It's Raymond Peter Longo

504
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 3: and what else can.

505
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 2: We got another one? We got another one? Ray, you

506
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: have another one? You have another champ.

507
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I'll be honest, starting to get boring.

508
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 5: Ah, another champ man that couldn't be happy?

509
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: What are the nicest guys? Yo? To me?

510
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: By wait, did I miss something?

511
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

512
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 3: I think there's a little bit of a delay, so

513
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 3: a lot to get into Ray. We're so happy for you, obviously,

514
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: this delay is a little bit frustrating right now. But

515
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 3: you said at one point to Morob Dwallish Willie, I

516
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 3: think after round one, I fucking love you, man, and

517
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: whose cell phone is beeping? Come on, guys, so ray

518
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 3: like I know how much love you have for this

519
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 3: particular individual and all of your athletes, but I got

520
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 3: to think that this one is uniquely special for you.

521
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 3: Just seeing what Morob has done over the last seven

522
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 3: to eight years, and obviously Saturday night he changed his

523
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 3: life forever.

524
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 5: I mean, listen, man again, if you know him, you

525
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 5: really know what a beautiful human being he is, and

526
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 5: how he loves his country, how he loves his teammates. Uh,

527
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 5: he's just a great guy. And to watch him. When

528
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 5: I first met him, he was going to quit Marshall.

529
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: He was going to quit m m A. He was.

530
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 5: He was done because when he got to New York,

531
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 5: he got hooked up with a couple of complete idiots,

532
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 5: and uh, they were they were ruining it for him

533
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 5: that he didn't have commanded the language. You're in a

534
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 5: new place, you're relying on what people tell you. And

535
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 5: and to watch him, you know, go through that and

536
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 5: get that belt, and even his story with aljo I mean,

537
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 5: there's so much shit to unwrap it.

538
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: The story to me was how him and al Joe.

539
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 5: Really hunk tough toggether on their convictions and not fighting

540
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 5: each other.

541
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 2: And he waited, that's not easy to do.

542
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 5: We had to take tough fights, and I think it

543
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 5: all paid off in the end and that that's that's

544
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 5: the beautiful thing.

545
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: They kept him friendship going and they'll always be friends,

546
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: I hope.

547
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 1: So as a as a guy that knows both of them,

548
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 1: it would you know, it would deeply hurt me if

549
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: they weren't. But they're they're good. They're good, and that's it.

550
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the story to me for for

551
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: for Morob.

552
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: But just a great, great night. I don't know, man,

553
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 2: it was it was really good.

554
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 4: Based on what seemed like the game plan. It seemed

555
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 4: like pretty flawless execution, right. Was there anything that you

556
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 4: saw based on the game plan heading into this, you know,

557
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 4: provided by you and John Wood, that made you nervous

558
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 4: during the fight.

559
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: Was there anything that maybe didn't go the way you wanted?

560
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: No, let me just say something first of if john.

561
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 5: Wood came up with came up with the game plan,

562
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 5: because you know we've talked would you do this and that?

563
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 5: But you know, look it's it's Morob, so you know

564
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 5: you're either all away in or all the way out.

565
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 5: You know, don't rush anything. You know, It's it's kind

566
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 5: of what I what I liked with John did. He

567
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 5: kept it really really basic and tailor it to what

568
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 5: Rob does. And Marob, you just gotta he's always gonna

569
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 5: be in shape. You just wind them up, point him

570
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 5: into the fight. He kind of does what he always does,

571
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 5: but he got to be a little more patient this time.

572
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, even like al Joe was saying,

573
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: you can't he let me, let me. I'm gonna be

574
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: all over.

575
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 5: The place, but like you can't rush, O'Malley right, he's

576
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 5: a counterpunching right. Think what we saw that was the

577
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 5: biggest takeaway for me is when he's coming forward, he

578
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 5: he just I'm gonna agree with Dana White and I

579
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 5: think you said, Kenny, he looked flat. I mean after

580
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 5: a couple of minutes, I turned the wood when we

581
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 5: were in the corner, I go, he can't hurt him.

582
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 5: He is, he's pushing his punches. Like you see this

583
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 5: kid on the PAGs man, he's snapping everything. He's super fast.

584
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 5: To me, it looked like quicksand in there when I'm

585
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 5: sitting there, you know, watching it, watching it unfold, and

586
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 5: I go, man, I just felt good from round one.

587
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 5: I I actually knew Morob was gonna win that fight

588
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 5: at that point. I didn't think he could get hurt.

589
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 5: And uh, he wasn't going to over commit. You know.

590
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 5: I think O'Malley was throwing the body shot to try

591
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 5: it easier, doing it for two reasons, but trying to

592
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 5: set up for the overhand right, you know, so he's

593
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 5: trying to get him to.

594
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: Bite on that. Morob didn't bite on it.

595
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 5: And even those punches just they look labor to me

596
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 5: for a guy that like, again, I don't know him,

597
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 5: but I know he's technically very very good. But I

598
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 5: think he uh, I think Morob's presence really just offset

599
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 5: him to a point where he looked just not good

600
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 5: with anything, you know, and and and and the other

601
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 5: you know, the other parts. You know, Morob's just gonna

602
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 5: wear on you. And once you get once you feel him,

603
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 5: like he gets the body like it's hard to even

604
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 5: break his hands, Kenny. You know, he's super strong, so

605
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 5: it's gonna be frustration. I mean, I'm I'm sure showing

606
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 5: worked the wrestling aspect to death, but this is a

607
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 5: different beast. You got to keep going and going and going,

608
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 5: and he misses one, it just doesn't matter. He's not

609
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 5: that guy that's gonna say, you know, gonna determ with

610
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 5: a stop take that.

611
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: He's just gonna keep coming.

612
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 5: So just really, really really, I thought, whoever scored that

613
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 5: fight forty eight forty seven, I think is insane.

614
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: There's no way that guy that was in two rounds.

615
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: That was alway right.

616
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 4: Before I let John hop back in here, I wanted

617
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: to ask you about what your thoughts were on the

618
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 4: refereeing of Herb Dean. Was there anything there that was

619
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 4: kind of confusing you or frustrating to you as you

620
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 4: were watching that fight.

621
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you something.

622
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 5: I listened to you talk, but I'm so engaged and

623
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 5: I knew Morob was gonna win that fight.

624
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: Nothing was bothering me, Like I just I got.

625
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 5: To that point where I don't really give his shit

626
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 5: what the guy does, and not going to take away

627
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 5: to fight, but I did. I believe I had this

628
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 5: conversation with Balal I actually John spoke to Bala a

629
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 5: lot on the bus, but just a super nice guy.

630
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 5: IM glad I got to talk to him. But here's

631
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 5: the scary part, and I think this. I'm sure it

632
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 5: was him. We talked about this and it sounds conspiratorial,

633
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 5: but the it might not be a twenty percent factor,

634
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 5: but it could be a three to five percent fact.

635
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: The same with the judges.

636
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 5: You get a close round and you think you can

637
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 5: get away with it, you're going for the guy you want.

638
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: I don't give it. I don't care what anybody says.

639
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 5: And obviously by those score cards it's who who do

640
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 5: you think they wanted to win? They made that fight

641
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 5: a one point fight? Did that looked like a one

642
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 5: point fight to anybody?

643
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: Right? So?

644
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 3: Ray, have you watched it back or no?

645
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: No?

646
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm curious, after you watch it.

647
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: Back how you will feel about some of the commands

648
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 3: from Herb Dean asking Morob and maybe Sean to a

649
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 3: lesser degree to work in that fifth round because we

650
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: found a tremendously out putting and we leaned.

651
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: Into it a lot on the broadcast.

652
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Speaker 3: But here's the thing, so round three, not a ton

653
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: happened when Daniel Cormier and I first heard those forty

654
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: eight forty sevens, we were absolutely shocked. But then when

655
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: I thought about a little bit, you know, round three,

656
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: not a ton happened, and certainly in round five after

657
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: your guy got hurt with a body shot, that was

658
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: an o'maleing round. So I had a forty nine forty six.

659
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: I had Morob up four nil going into round five.

660
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: But you can have a wayward scorecard there, and I

661
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: think it can still be a dominant fight. So I

662
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: don't know that there's too much meat on the bone there.

663
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, dude, I do feel like in that fifth round.

664
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: You know, at times it's like what are we doing here?

665
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, we you know, we trying to like

666
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: force Morob to, like, you know, do something that's going

667
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: to present an opportunity for shot.

668
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I'm just an MMA fan.

669
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: I just happen to have a job that requires me

670
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: to say some things when big things are going up.

671
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: Dude, it gets crazy. Man.

672
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 5: Look back in the day we're boxing, if you had

673
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 5: two guys and your guy had a certain style, there

674
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 5: were refs that you know that you would let they

675
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 5: would let you.

676
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: Fight in the clinch. You know they're not going to

677
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: stop it early.

678
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 5: So there's there's ways to maneuver a lot of things

679
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 5: that like, again, if you talk about them, it was

680
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 5: kind of crazy, but they ae hundred percent is one

681
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 5: hundred percent. But I was so at that point, John,

682
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 5: I just knew he was winning, and I just did

683
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 5: there was I just don't think the guy had any

684
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 5: steam on those punches to hurt Morob.

685
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. I guess the body

686
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: shots finally paid off in the fifth round.

687
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 5: A little bit, but he wasn't right. It wasn't right.

688
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 5: It was a big deal. He got big, got it

689
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 5: to the bind, he felt.

690
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Speaker 2: It, you know.

691
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, so one of our listeners wants to know

692
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: his name is Eric. He says, so when is Ray

693
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: Longo gonna corner a striker to a world title? He's

694
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: just joking around. But of course when you look at uh,

695
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 3: but you look at these guys, Matt Sarah, Chris Wadman,

696
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: Aljamain Sterling, Morob Dwallace Willie. I was talking a cruising

697
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: about this last night. An unbelievable collection of grapplers and

698
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 3: now world champions.

699
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, well I think Rogo said it a long

700
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: time ago. I think he's so.

701
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 5: I just no, no, no, no, that's that's it's not

702
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 5: a joke though it really isn't because it it's true obviously.

703
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 5: But Rogan, I think it said like, I have a

704
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 5: way of connecting to the wrestlers to make them believe

705
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 5: in the hands good enough to get them to, you know,

706
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 5: what they want to do.

707
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's pretty accurate.

708
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 2: You know words, I do have the gym.

709
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, it's a good that's good, Man,

710
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 1: that's good.

711
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: You are a tremendous influence on so many different athletes,

712
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,479
Speaker 3: and certainly we've talked a lot over the ten years

713
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: so history of this podcast about you know, your conditioning stuff.

714
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: Matt Sarah always gives you credit for your ability to

715
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 3: train and strengthen conditioning. But this is just incredible. We're

716
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: just so happy for you, you know, and for Morob

717
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 3: of course.

718
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: Like gosh, Man, I always say, in this job, the

719
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: most special part for me is seeing non champions become champions,

720
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: and in this case, it just feels particularly special because

721
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 2: of the way his UFC career began with the Frankie

722
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: Signs split and the Ricky Simone fight and waiting for

723
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: al Joe and dealing with all the bullshit winning ten

724
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: straight fights.

725
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: I love Humar Rmago meta, but he ain't gonna have

726
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: to win ten straight fights to realize the title fight.

727
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: Like I know, they're all special rank, but this one

728
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: feels particularly so and satisfying.

729
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: I would think for you, oh, one hundred percent. Listen,

730
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 2: the kid hit.

731
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 5: One thing I loved about him from day one is

732
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 5: that you know, he hit adversity in those first two fights,

733
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 5: and it wasn't really him. I think he won both fights,

734
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 5: but he did have to make some corrections. Like even

735
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 5: in the Frankie Science fight, he was jumping all over him,

736
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 5: so he had to calm down. He had to learn

737
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 5: how to control the guy more and not go completely

738
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 5: ape shit. So he was always making improvements on the job.

739
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 5: And if you had that type of mindset, even if

740
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 5: you're losing, but you really not just say it, you

741
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 5: do it, because a lot of people want to just

742
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 5: you know, interject these cliches, but he actually does it.

743
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 5: He just kept getting better and better, and I think

744
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 5: in the long run, by making him fight those fights

745
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 5: against those good guys could have been the difference in

746
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 5: this fight. I mean, look, O'Malley's first offense was against

747
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 5: Cheeto Vera love Cheeto. Nothing wrong, but that was a

748
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 5: bullshit that's a bullshit thing, you know what I mean,

749
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 5: Like he should have fought like Marob when he did

750
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 5: that thing with the charts and he fights number six.

751
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: He's fighting over It's true, you know what I mean?

752
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 5: Like, so you fight when you have that type of

753
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 5: experience and you build that type of confidence growing with

754
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 5: all those fights.

755
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: I think it makes a big difference.

756
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 5: I mean, he went into that fight very confident based

757
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 5: on his past O'Malley maybe not, maybe he bought into

758
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 5: who did he ever fight?

759
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,479
Speaker 2: You know, Pedon fight.

760
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 5: People think, I look, that was a great fight, but

761
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 5: people think beyond won the fight.

762
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: The other fights were you know, just they're good. He's

763
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: starching guys, but.

764
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: They standing rate in front of them with their hands

765
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: at their ass. You're gonna let us.

766
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 4: You feel he really was untested against a really high

767
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 4: level grappler.

768
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 6: You you felt like he Yeah, and again Morob hasn't

769
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 6: faced anybody is rangy and as long and as accurate

770
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 6: as O'Malley.

771
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 5: But fucking Jose Aldo is pretty fucking good man. You know,

772
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 5: it's close enough. So he did fight some good guys

773
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 5: that he shut down and yeah, you know.

774
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 3: And I think Ray, sorry to interrupt, but I think

775
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 3: Sean would acknowledge that as well and sort of intimated

776
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 3: as much in our fighter meeting that yes, he was

777
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 3: satisfied with his twenty five minute cardio against cheto Era,

778
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 3: but he has not passed the tests against a wrestler

779
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 3: for twenty five minutes and he did not pass this test.

780
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 3: So a lot of different angles that we can pursue here,

781
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: Ray quickly, in the nature of spinning it forward, Morob Dwallash,

782
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 3: WILLI and who Marnermongo meanov do you think that's going

783
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: to be the fight next.

784
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that's the fight they're gonna push next.

785
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: But I would give Figuredo to fight before Lumar.

786
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: At this point, all right, Yeah, I think Figuretto has

787
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: a case as well.

788
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: Three bantam weight over elite thirty five ers.

789
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so he was a future he was

790
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 5: a former champ and he's and he's doing great in

791
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 5: the division now, So I think that fight makes sense.

792
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: If not, but they're going to push for the Elmah fight.

793
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent sure. He Let me say another

794
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: thing about O'Malley too, because I want to give him

795
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: preit the kid.

796
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 5: That guy will definitely be back. He's definitely a super

797
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 5: talented kid. And I think they got a good thing

798
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 5: going over there.

799
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: They got a small, small knit group, which I love,

800
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, I think you know he's

801
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: he's going to grow tremendously from this fight.

802
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 3: I do want to talk about Sean O'Malley in this

803
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 3: context a little bit because I think we all Kenny

804
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: would love to see him now in a main event

805
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: against Corey Sandhagen or a high profile fight against one

806
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 3: of these other elite bandam weights. But there is a

807
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 3: fucking murderer's row waiting for the former champion Shan O'Malley

808
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 3: right now at one hundred and thirty five pounds, and

809
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 3: it sans reason he's going to be the betting underdog

810
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: against some of these guys. You know, we've said repeatedly

811
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: that and Shan O'Malley at thirty five and Drincus Duplus

812
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,479
Speaker 3: at eighty five, a lot of their contemporaries can flow

813
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: believe those are beatable champions, and Dupless has not proven

814
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 3: to be beatable but Morob wasn't the only wrestler grappler

815
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: type can Flow that was salivating at the opportunity to

816
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: face Sean O'Malley. And now the guy who shows up

817
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: next in his bracket can Flow is going to be

818
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 3: somebody like Corey Sandagan or a rematch with Pyotr Jan

819
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 3: And I don't know how soon we see Sean O'Malley,

820
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 3: but I don't know that you're going to see him

821
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: in the next six months.

822
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: Well, the UFC is filled with apex predators, right, you know.

823
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: I know people don't love.

824
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 4: That cliche, but it's true, especially in the one hundred and

825
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 4: thirty five pounded vision. And you better believe there were

826
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 4: every single person in that division, especially the ones that

827
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 4: are relad we're watching that night and looking for ways

828
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 4: to defeat O'Malley or wanting that confirmation bias of saying.

829
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: This is the way you do it or one of

830
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: the ways you could do it.

831
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 4: So and once someone keys in on that, they actually

832
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 4: build on that blueprint or try to and then expose

833
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 4: him yet again. So I'm really curious to see how

834
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 4: o'melly comes back from this. Is he going to work

835
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 4: on these weaknesses and improve this, will he be better

836
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 4: than before, But no question about it, he's still a

837
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 4: huge name and because of that, every elite guy in

838
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 4: that division is going to try to make a name

839
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 4: off of that big name.

840
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 2: Hey, Ray, what was your overall spear experience?

841
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 3: Like?

842
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: Oh uh, you know, listen, man, I was in the

843
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: back for the whole time, obviously, so I wanted to

844
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: at least get some sort of feel for it. So

845
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: I went down and they let me walk in and

846
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: then they threw me right the fuck out. But I

847
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: did in between fightsmen, they're doing that. I did get

848
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: to see some of it look great, But in all honesty,

849
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: I was kind of I was just focused on my

850
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: robin there. You know, there was nothing going up on

851
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: that blew my socks off.

852
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 5: But I can't say that because I was in the pack,

853
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 5: and when I was out there with Morab, I tried

854
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 5: looking around a little bit, but nothing that you know,

855
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 5: I was like having a holy shit moment.

856
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: But how was your experience? You were you were in

857
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: it a whole time.

858
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: I thought it was absolutely incredible. The whole rehearsal thing

859
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 2: Thursday and Friday was particularly daunting, and as I said earlier,

860
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: I was pretty toasted, I think in more ways than

861
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: one when I showed up to the arena on Saturday night.

862
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 2: But no, it was an experience unlike any that I

863
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: have had in broadcasting, and I hope we get to

864
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 2: do it again. You know, the crowd wasn't particularly loud,

865
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: and I don't know exactly how a live sporting event

866
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: crowd translates in there. But I also feel, like Ray,

867
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: we did have five decisions on the main card, and

868
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: I didn't think either of the championship fights were particularly entertaining,

869
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: So the night I did think sort of dragged over

870
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: the final ninety minutes, and I think that did affect

871
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: some of the people in there. But I thought it

872
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 2: was as special a lot of that as I've ever

873
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: been a part of. So beautiful. That's beautiful, ah right.

874
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: I just want to ask you.

875
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: I just want to ask you, uh if I could,

876
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: and I don't know if if you can even answer

877
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: this question, but I did have it in my notes.

878
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: How do you sort of compare.

879
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 3: All these amazing moments over the course of your Hall

880
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: of Fame career when you think back to Matt Sarah

881
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 3: against George Saint Pierre and Chris Widman against Anderson Silva

882
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: and al Jamaine Sterling becoming the undisputed bantamweight champion against

883
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: all odds when they didn't want to give him the opportunity,

884
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: and then Marob doing this.

885
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: All of these have.

886
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 3: Had unique circumstances, but the common thread has been you.

887
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: So how do you compare all of these different experiences

888
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 3: that now have transpired for you over the course of

889
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: seventeen remarkable years.

890
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's a tough question. I'm just happy for

891
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: each and every one of these guys.

892
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 5: You know, Morob's got a beautiful house now in Vegas.

893
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 5: Like I know, it's like bullshit, but it was always

894
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 5: about what these guys were going to do after they

895
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 5: were done fighting, and using fighting as a metaphor for

896
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 5: life and learning how to dig down deep and get

897
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 5: what you want, and you know, never ever quitting.

898
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: Uh.

899
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 5: So they've all all four of those guys are very

900
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 5: successful right now and that makes.

901
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: Me really really happy, you know. But all the moments

902
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: were great in their own rate for different reasons. Uh

903
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, you.

904
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 5: Can't you know, Sarah against GSB, Widman against Silver Dudes,

905
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 5: You're not gonna that's gonna be tough.

906
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: Tough to beat, you know what I mean.

907
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 5: So, uh, you know al Joe unfortunately he got his

908
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 5: title with the DQ, but then he went on to

909
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 5: beat Pedeon. So to me, that was a great moment

910
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 5: second fight, you know what I mean, when he convincingly

911
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 5: to me won And then you know Morob just the

912
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 5: way he came up and what I've watched this kid

913
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 5: go through and how hard he worked, and you know,

914
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 5: having a job while he was training, and not only

915
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 5: a job where he's sitting in like a booth or

916
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 5: he's sitting that he's doing construction.

917
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 2: He's working his fucking heads off.

918
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 5: But I think those are the things that build character, right,

919
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 5: those are the things that define you. Like I was

920
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 5: not worried about Morob we're or losing this fight because

921
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 5: I know he keep everything in perspective.

922
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: If he had to go back to work tomorrow, he

923
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: just do it.

924
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: It's done. Yeah, he's not driven like the way.

925
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 5: You know, he comes from a totally different spot on

926
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 5: the globe, and he's really humble and he's got humility

927
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 5: and he's great to people. He's you know, he's grateful

928
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 5: for everything he's gotten. And those are the qualities you

929
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 5: want to see in a person and you know, so

930
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 5: to answer your question that you know, they're all special,

931
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 5: but you know, the first two were kind of crazy

932
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 5: because it was, you know, kind of a long time ago. Now,

933
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 5: so this is it's just look, it's all about the fighter, man.

934
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 5: I don't know what to say. I'm I'm grateful for

935
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 5: them even letting me be in the corner. To be

936
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 5: honest with you, I've been really blessed with working with

937
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 5: with thoroughbreads man, and that's what you need, you know.

938
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 5: I think I had this conversation with Santino DeFranco. I

939
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 5: think is totally one of the most underrated coaches in

940
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 5: the business the kids intelligenty. He understands the game really well.

941
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 5: But you know, you have to have a thoroughbread you know,

942
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 5: because you could have an ordinary good guy, it's just

943
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 5: not gonna be good enough, you know. So Rob, if

944
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 5: anybody put the work in and they want to know

945
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 5: how hard he works, or you're gonna get guys that

946
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 5: want to take the shortcut and just get in here

947
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 5: the fame and the glory.

948
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: It ain't gonna fucking work like that.

949
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 5: This motherfucker worked his goddamn ass off, and that's that's takeaway.

950
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 5: And this this, this one's for Chris Widman's father in law,

951
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 5: Marivie's father, Vinnie Man.

952
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,479
Speaker 1: He picked the cat from the beginning because you to remember,

953
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: when Morob was in the gym, I had Widman, you know,

954
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: he had I had Quint around, so there were guys

955
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: before him, so I wasn't really looking. I knew he

956
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: worked hard and he was a great guy, but people

957
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: would tell me this is the guy.

958
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 5: Vinny said it that one night, I remember he was

959
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 5: We had a crazy workdout and Morod built on the treadmill.

960
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 5: He had that thing up to you know, maxed out

961
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 5: at ten and he was booking and then he goes,

962
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 5: this is your next guy. Man, this guy, this work

963
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 5: ethic is crazy. And Benny was a big wrestling guy,

964
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 5: so he had he knew what the wrestling grind was

965
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 5: all about, and that Morob brought to the table. Man,

966
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 5: it couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Trust me, it's incredible,

967
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 5: it really is.

968
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: And the work ethic certainly leads the dance, but truly

969
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 3: a guy who can treat these championship fights like glorified

970
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 3: training sessions and he's going to be a tough out

971
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 3: of one thirty five, and I do believe that he

972
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: was wise to no sell the you marn rmongo medoff

973
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 3: thing and make sure that he preserved this moment. And

974
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 3: the last thing I'll just say and blah Muhammed and

975
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: Morob DWALLASCHWILLI the US hes two great champions that are

976
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 3: going to be more than willing to defend these titles regularly.

977
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: And I do think that both of those guys are

978
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 3: going to be an asset to the UFC. Hey, you're

979
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 3: sticking around in Vegas for Dana White' contenders here?

980
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: Is is that accurate?

981
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 5: You got Dylan Montello Tuesday night in the main event.

982
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 5: I'm very excited to h I hope he completes the weekend.

983
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 5: We go home with two big wins and that'll be

984
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 5: that'll be fantastic.

985
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I know you're over there at the

986
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: Virgin Penthouse with my twin Bro and Big Ron, so

987
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: I might see you later, but uh on behalf of

988
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: the entire Anak and Florian podcast family. Congratulations, man, I

989
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: mean my teeth look in this so fucking white in

990
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: this light.

991
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 5: Let me come on, Bro, Well, I knew you guys

992
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 5: were doing something.

993
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, championship light on you today because your teeth look

994
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: very stained when you're in New York. Ray those eyes though.

995
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: Our female audience just went after me. Oh yeah, look

996
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: at you. Benjamin Button way long ago corn a UFC

997
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: fighter to a title for the fourth time. Do you

998
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: have any final thoughts before he lets you fly? Listen?

999
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: I want to give a couple of shout outs to

1000
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: some people.

1001
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 5: First of all, ran into a minute men at the

1002
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 5: at the team dinner, boy, thank you very much for

1003
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 5: jumping out of the crowd and taking a pick.

1004
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: We got Kylie from San Diego.

1005
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 5: We got and the last, but not least man, I

1006
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 5: met a really cool dude, man Odie Osbourne's train at

1007
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 5: Jason Manley. He was at the PI. Didn't have a

1008
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 5: variety overheard it. He took me back to the Red Rock.

1009
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 5: Just such a beautiful act of kindness. That guy always

1010
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 5: have a special place with me. I love people do

1011
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 5: good things, man, We just love it. So shout out

1012
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 5: to Jason Manley. Sorry I didn't go your way. I

1013
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 5: thought that fight was close to though, but.

1014
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, great coach, all right man, well great.

1015
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: A lot of people though coming up to you talking

1016
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: to you about the Anakin Floring podcast this week.

1017
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 2: That's good, that's good.

1018
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: We got a lot of hundred podcast Is this has

1019
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: to win this year?

1020
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: John, though, let's go, let's go right, wait, you think

1021
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: we're gonna be a contender series in the category of

1022
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 3: best MMA Programming?

1023
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: Is that what you're suggesting? Well, what the hell is

1024
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: the what is that doing?

1025
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 4: Well?

1026
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: Their budget millions.

1027
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 3: Of dollars and it's a fight promotion that feeds the UFC.

1028
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 3: So in a meritocracy, I feel like our content can

1029
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: compete with theirs, But in a popular vote, I just

1030
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,479
Speaker 3: don't know how we beat that show.

1031
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: You know, we can only hope that everything's run as

1032
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: a a meritocracy.

1033
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: So let's see what I mean.

1034
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 3: You think I'm gonna beat Laura Sanko in a popular

1035
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 3: vote for Commentator of the Year.

1036
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 2: There's hope fucking way, and I vote for her too.

1037
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 3: Hey, congratulations from the bottom of our collective hearts, buddy,

1038
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: and maybe I'll see you in about an hour. I'm

1039
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 3: heading over there, but thanks for waking up early, and

1040
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 3: best of luck with Dylan on Tuesday.

1041
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 5: All right, you're definitely coming over in and out because

1042
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 5: I'll hang out for sure.

1043
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll see in an hour beautiful Bay. Every week

1044
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: here on the Ana can Flag.

1045
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: You'll wait for number five.

1046
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: I know maybe you can actually come. Strikers in the gym.

1047
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: There's a couple of good strikers in the gym that

1048
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: could do it.

1049
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: So I'm done with the restless for now.

1050
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: You're the man. You love it. You gave me a

1051
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: new goal. You gave me a new goal.

1052
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 3: Hek here you go, guys, love you buddy, Ray Longo

1053
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 3: with us every week here on the Annak Imploring Podcast.

1054
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: All love with me and Ray Longo.

1055
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 3: Despite what some people want to try to lean into

1056
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 3: there so real quickly Kenny and Alex Davis is coming

1057
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 3: up in about fifteen minutes. There's so much we still

1058
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: have to get to here Ria season no cha UFC.

1059
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: But isn't it interesting real quick if I could get

1060
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 3: thirty seconds from you on this the Sean O'Malley rebuild

1061
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 3: right and Corey sand Haagan and those type of guys

1062
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 3: showing up in his bracket. You know one thing Domina

1063
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 3: Cruz said to me last night, and I sort of

1064
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 3: passed it along as my own thought. But you know,

1065
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 3: I don't know how soon we're really going to see

1066
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 3: Sean O'Malley right now.

1067
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 2: His goal extended beyond the world championship.

1068
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: You want to go down as the biggest combat sports

1069
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: athlete of all time, and this was a huge opportunity

1070
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: that he was not able to take advantage of.

1071
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 2: Here Saturday night in the rebuild's going to be something.

1072
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,479
Speaker 4: Absolutely and we're going to find out what O'Malley really

1073
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,479
Speaker 4: is made of. You know, we saw him come back

1074
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 4: after that first cheato Vera fight, you know, coming off

1075
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 4: of that loss, and he came back super strong.

1076
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 2: I expect to see that again.

1077
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 4: But you know, I think it's important for like to

1078
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 4: know what he's fighting for. Is he coming back to

1079
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 4: become a world champion again? Is he coming back to

1080
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 4: just make money and be a superstar? You know, that

1081
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 4: remains to be seen. I'm really curious about that. And

1082
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 4: by the way, you mentioning Domina Cruz, that's another cool

1083
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 4: fight that I would like to see maybe dom and

1084
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Speaker 4: O'Malley as well.

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00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, some fights for him. So I'm excited to

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00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 2: see what's next.

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Speaker 3: Thanks to everybody joining us on this live edition of

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Speaker 3: the Anakin Florian Podcast. If you would be so kind

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Speaker 3: as to hit that like button on the live stream

1090
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,479
Speaker 3: or executive user Cody Merrow would really appreciate the shit

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Speaker 3: out of that. Sorry, mom, let us get to the

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Speaker 3: co headliner, Valentina Shepchenko over Alexa Grosso. What a performance

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00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 3: from Valentina Shepchenko. Again, maybe it wasn't the most entertaining fight, Certainly,

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00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 3: I don't think any of us is pining to see

1095
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 3: it a fourth time. But Valentina Chepchenko Kenny had a

1096
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 3: year off to sort of think about that split draw

1097
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 3: to coach on The Ultimate Fighter. She did maybe have

1098
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 3: some pause competing on Mexican Independence Day against Alexa Grosso.

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00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: But I thought she was at her best on this night.

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00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 3: It was a throwback type of performance, and even though

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00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: there are a lot of Grosso angles, I'd like to

1102
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 3: get into. Dude, how about Chefchenko and her eleven straight

1103
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 3: championship fight, becoming a now two time UXC Women's flyweight

1104
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: champion in restoring order in many respects at one twenty five.

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00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 4: It's impressive to see her compete every single time because

1106
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 4: I never get this, even in her loss to Grassow

1107
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 4: or whatever, that it was for a lack of trying

1108
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 4: or for a lack of effort. Like her not having

1109
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 4: a great camp or her not being hungry enough. I've

1110
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 4: never seen that she'll make mistakes during a fight. But

1111
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 4: to keep that level of hunger and passion and dedication

1112
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 4: to your discipline is something we should we should all

1113
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 4: be applauding, and we saw that here with discipline and

1114
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 4: with a methodical game plan, with flawless execution. You know,

1115
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 4: I think she learned from her mistakes, and I didn't

1116
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 4: see any major like, oh, she looked better. She just

1117
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 4: looked like she was out there to have a mistake

1118
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 4: free execution of a game plan, and that's exactly what

1119
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 4: she did, and in that process never allowed Grosso in

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00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 4: this fight at all. We'll talk about Grasso later, but

1121
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 4: absolutely spot on. I about Chefchecko was extremely impressive last night.

1122
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 4: Maybe not her most exciting perform rins, but she did

1123
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 4: exactly what she needed to do to have a win

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00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 4: where she took little to no damage.

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00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, great grappling defense.

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00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 3: I'm not sure she was ever in any great danger,

1127
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 3: even if I felt as though Grossos should have been

1128
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 3: credited with more submission attempts.

1129
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 2: But Katty, a lot of people just were not expected that.

1130
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 3: Valentina Chepchenko could return to this type of form, and

1131
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see her against Minon Fior.

1132
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 2: That is absolutely going to be the fight.

1133
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 3: But as far as Alexa Grosso is concerned, I'm just

1134
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 3: going to go here now. So Anthony Lyonheart Smith on

1135
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 3: the post fight show intimated that he doesn't love when

1136
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 3: all these teammates fight on the same card. And certainly

1137
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 3: there's an emotional attachment between Alexa Grosso and rane Aldnna

1138
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 3: and emotional attachment between Alexa Grosso and Diego Lopez. Now

1139
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 3: they all came up together, or Reni Aldnna is in

1140
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 3: that fight, presumably Alexa Grosso is watching that feature prelim.

1141
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 2: In the back.

1142
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: I think there are some rumblings that maybe Alexa Grosso

1143
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: and Diego Lopez are dating. You know, he is one

1144
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 3: of her corner men. I guess that's maybe either here

1145
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 3: nor there. But just think about this for a second.

1146
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 3: Alexa Grosso in the back right, getting ready to defend

1147
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 3: her title, watching Diego Lopez win his fight. He comes back,

1148
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: maybe gives her a hug, and maybe there's an exhale there,

1149
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 3: and then he's in her corner. I'm not saying that

1150
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 3: this was some major factor in the fight. But Alexa

1151
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 3: Grosso was in the shape of her life, not breathing

1152
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 3: heavy at all, and yet just completely frustrated all night

1153
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 3: and wasn't able to get anything going. So I don't

1154
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 3: know if there's criticism to be levied at Francisco Grosso.

1155
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if there is emotion here at play,

1156
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 3: but not at all the effort that a lot of

1157
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 3: us expected to get out of Alexa Grosso despite chef

1158
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 3: Chenko's greatness.

1159
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's an interesting point.

1160
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 4: You know, when I was fighting, you know, we were

1161
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 4: talking about the BJPEN fight earlier. When I had the

1162
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 4: BJPEN fight, I had more people come out for that

1163
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 4: fight than any other thing. And I think there's always

1164
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 4: this like emotional thing that goes on with so many

1165
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 4: people are there. It's distracted, it can take away your focus,

1166
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 4: and the same goes for fight night if you have

1167
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 4: a bunch of team members. In some ways, it can

1168
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 4: buoy you, it can it can motivate you, inspire you,

1169
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 4: all that stuff, But a lot of that stuff can

1170
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 4: be emotional, emotionally draining as well. I'm not saying that's

1171
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 4: the case or anything like that, but it could be

1172
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 4: a factor and it's something to consider. I didn't really

1173
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 4: think about that, So props Anthony Smith for bringing up

1174
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 4: that point.

1175
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough, man, you know.

1176
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 4: At one point after round three, Cody and I were

1177
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 4: just talking about that. It looked like she was about

1178
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 4: to cry, like she seemed so frustrated. Even like her

1179
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,479
Speaker 4: little camera single when she was shadow boxing before her fight,

1180
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 4: she looked fast, but she looked very tense. She looked

1181
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 4: really really tense, And to me, that wasn't the greatest sign.

1182
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 4: Sometimes that can work for you, but yeah, I just

1183
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 4: see it just seemed like nothing was really going her way.

1184
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 2: But more than anything else.

1185
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 4: You know, if you're looking at your last fight and

1186
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 4: you're saying, you know, I, yes it was a draw,

1187
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 4: but Shivchenko was taking me down, she was controlling me,

1188
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 4: and she was this close to beating me. She almost

1189
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 4: lost her belt that night. Then you better believe if

1190
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 4: you have twelve months or a little less or a

1191
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 4: little more to prepare, then you're going to shore up

1192
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 4: that weakness. And that was just not the case. I

1193
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 4: did not see a better grappler in Grasso. In some cases,

1194
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 4: I saw a worse grappler. Whether that was her fault,

1195
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 4: your coach's fault, the camp's fault, injuries, whatever it was,

1196
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 4: I just did not see that, and because of that,

1197
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 4: we talked about that. While I did pick Grasso, I

1198
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 4: said if she did not make those changes with her grappling,

1199
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Speaker 4: she was going to lose that fight, and that's exactly

1200
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 4: what happened.

1201
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 2: And I do think largely my thesis statement is that

1202
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: Valentina Schevchenko is the better fighter in this particular matchup

1203
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 2: and in this division. She won most of the rounds

1204
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: in this three fight series. She did make a couple

1205
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: of mistakes that Grosso capitalized upon, the face crank, and

1206
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: of course round five of the second meeting, But we

1207
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: congratulate Valentina Shevchenko, and it really was cool to sort

1208
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 2: of see her ex Hail Kenny.

1209
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 3: You know how much went into this as she tried

1210
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 3: to get her title back, and we always say one

1211
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 3: of the hardest things to do in the sport is

1212
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 3: to lose your championship and regain it. So congratulations to

1213
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 3: Valentina Chevchenko. I would like to transition to the featherweights

1214
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 3: if I could Diego Lopez and Brian Ortega and quickly.

1215
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 3: I do want to read a text from Diego Lopez's manager,

1216
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 3: Jason House, because I kept referring to Diego Lopez like

1217
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 3: touching his neck in the fight. Did you hear me

1218
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 3: say that? So I got a text from Jason House

1219
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 3: this morning. Hey, brother Diego has a scar in his

1220
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 3: neck that itches when he sweats. That's why he always

1221
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 3: rubs his neck. You know those steel robs they used

1222
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 3: to build houses. When he was a kid, he got

1223
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 3: into an accident and one of them sliced his neck

1224
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 3: and left a bad scar. So my friend Ryan Risilla

1225
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 3: was texting me. I think he thinks he has a

1226
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 3: necklace on because he always wears necklaces. But no, he

1227
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 3: had an accident and that itches him. So I did

1228
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 3: think it was interesting because I had noticed in the past,

1229
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 3: but he seemed to be doing it a lot. I

1230
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 3: want to make sure there wasn't an injury there, but

1231
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 3: of course it's neither here nor there. Diego Lopez Kenny

1232
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: big win over Brian Ortega moves into the top three,

1233
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 3: eight one hundred and forty five pounds.

1234
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 4: Diego Lopez, his hair is clean, his technique is clean,

1235
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 4: his execution is clean.

1236
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: Man. That dude's a problem. He really is.

1237
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 4: His ability to slip punches, get on the inside in

1238
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 4: the pocket and throw back with speed and feroci inaccuracy

1239
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:35,479
Speaker 4: is a.

1240
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: Thing of beauty.

1241
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 4: And really he was piecing up Brian Ortega on the

1242
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 4: feet extremely well. He never allowed Ortega, even when they

1243
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 4: did have exchanges on the ground, to get the upper hand.

1244
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 2: Really, he's on point.

1245
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 4: And I think that we talk about this all the time.

1246
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 4: We talked about this with O'Malley when he was coming up.

1247
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 4: But getting the right fights at the right time, getting

1248
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 4: the right amount of experience so that when you do

1249
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 4: get into the big spots, you can execute when you

1250
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 4: need to.

1251
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: You have to credit his management, you have to credit.

1252
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 4: His coaching for him being put in this position and

1253
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 4: acting like he's been here before.

1254
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 2: Man.

1255
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 4: And we talked about this with the Ega fight, like

1256
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 4: how many fights of experience did he take in with

1257
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 4: that last fight against Ega, he came in and was

1258
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 4: just dominant against one of the most durable and tough

1259
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 4: dudes that I've seen compete in the octagon, and that

1260
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 4: man is Brian Ortega. Not to mention, Ortega is very

1261
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,959
Speaker 4: dangerous for his submission game, and he's been working really

1262
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 4: hard on his striking. He was trying to get things done.

1263
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 4: It's not like he checked out at any point during

1264
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 4: this fight. He continued to move forward. He was trying

1265
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 4: to look for the knockout. He just wasn't technical or

1266
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 4: technically or good enough to beat someone on the level

1267
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 4: of Jago Lopez. So yeah, Diego is well on his

1268
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 4: way for challenge, for challenging for that felt I think

1269
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 4: there's a lot of interesting challenges for him in the future,

1270
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 4: perhaps even a championship fight for his next one.

1271
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, well, all could be a championship fight next

1272
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 3: the two names above him in the rankings, or Max

1273
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 3: Holloway and Alexander Volkanowski. Holloway is going to fight Iliotsportie

1274
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 3: at UFC three to oh eight, but you gotta think

1275
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 3: it's one of those big names or a title fight

1276
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 3: for Diego Lopez and Kenny How remarkable, right, fights Mafsariyevloyev

1277
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 3: May twenty twenty three at UFC two eighty eight on

1278
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 3: five days notice, and look at him now about sixteen

1279
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 3: months later.

1280
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 2: One of the best featherweights in the world.

1281
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,479
Speaker 3: And I said this on the broadcast, but the dude

1282
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 3: loses to Joe Anderson Brito on the Contender series then

1283
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 3: loses his next fight, and he's been on the precipice

1284
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 3: of a UFC contract for so long and now to

1285
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 3: see this, he's a better human being than he.

1286
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 2: Is as a fighter.

1287
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 3: Couldn't be happier for Diego Lopez and Jason House's manager

1288
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 3: and everybody else. One thing Domina Cruz said on the

1289
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 3: post show Kenny was that he felt like Ortega looked

1290
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 3: like a fighter who had trained hard but trained martial arts,

1291
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 3: and Diego Lopez looked like a fighter who had trained

1292
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 3: martial arts but also cardio and strength and condition. He

1293
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 3: felt like maybe that was the difference in the fight,

1294
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 3: that the martial arts were fairly even, but that the

1295
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 3: cardio was maybe what got it done for Diego Lopez.

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01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 2: Anything there, Yeah, it's possible. It's certainly possible.

1297
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 4: I don't know enough about their training camps, but I just,

1298
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 4: for me, I just saw a guy that was way

1299
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 4: better prepared, you know, just a technically better boxer, and

1300
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 4: hope this is going to be a problem for a

1301
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 4: lot of guys in that division, and the only two

1302
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 4: guys were watually.

1303
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 2: Those three guys that I see as a big challenge

1304
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: for him.

1305
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 4: Is Volkanovsky, Holloway and to a POORI at the top,

1306
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 4: like those are the guys, and I'm really curious to

1307
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 4: see how is striking matches up against someone like that.

1308
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, for sure, Lopez was prepared on

1309
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 4: a conditioning level and kind of really I don't.

1310
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 2: Know, it just seemed like he was just there to fight. Yeah,

1311
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 2: a little bit more, but you know, you can't.

1312
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 4: Take that away from more Tago or Tego definitely was

1313
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 4: still trying to win. But Lopez to me, just seemed better,

1314
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 4: better prepared.

1315
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and given everything that Diego Lopez had to deal

1316
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 3: with in advance of that Dan he gave fight at

1317
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 3: UFC three to zero three, you have to believe that

1318
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 3: this was just a much different exercise and much easier

1319
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 3: to deal with. And you know, Brian Ortega was so

1320
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 3: great in our fighter meeting, but he gave Diego Lopez

1321
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 3: so much credits for fighting Dan Egay, right, because Ortega.

1322
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 2: Went from one seventy eight to one hundred and fifty

1323
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 2: three pounds.

1324
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 3: He felt bad about not being able to fight, but

1325
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 3: all he wanted to do was credit Lopez and just

1326
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 3: sort of wrapping his head. Ortega was around everything Lopez

1327
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 3: had to deal with to then weigh in again at

1328
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 3: sixty five and fight Egay. So props to t City

1329
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 3: Brian Ortega and his next fight is probably going to

1330
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 3: be at lightweight. There were some rumblings that Ortega was

1331
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 3: offered Charles Olavera at Sphear at one hundred and fifty

1332
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 3: five pounds. So Brian Ortega is going to move up

1333
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 3: to lightweight and there are a lot of big fights for.

1334
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 2: Him up there.

1335
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 3: Daniel zell Huber and Esteban Ribovic's in maybe the fight

1336
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 3: of the year, certainly the fight of the night can flow.

1337
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 2: Nice to see the lightweight steal the show. What'd you

1338
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 2: think of that?

1339
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 4: It was insane? It was absolutely insane. Now I thought

1340
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 4: zell Huber won the fight. We could talk about that later.

1341
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 4: It was really close, but man, props to both of

1342
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 4: those absolute savages for going out there and performing like

1343
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 4: they did.

1344
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 2: It was back and forth the whole fight.

1345
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 4: There was some tremendous striking exchanges pretty much throughout. You know,

1346
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 4: there wasn't a whole lot of lag time during those exchanges.

1347
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 4: So these men came to fight, and I think in

1348
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 4: some cases it got the better of zel Houber because

1349
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 4: of it.

1350
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 2: Whether it was the crowd or the energy. He's a

1351
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 2: young man.

1352
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 4: I mean, he's still pretty new with his experience in

1353
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 4: the UFC, and I think that may have got the

1354
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 4: better of him. Sometimes you don't have to engage. Sometimes

1355
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 4: sometimes it makes more sense to do nothing than to

1356
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 4: do something, and I think something inside of zel Hoober

1357
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 4: kept pushing him to one the exchange. Now we had

1358
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 4: an amazing fight because of it, but he unnecessarily engaged

1359
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 4: with Ribovics when sometimes it just made more sense for

1360
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,919
Speaker 4: him to create space and reset, and it allowed.

1361
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 2: Riboviks, who was the smaller, shorter guy, to get on the.

1362
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 4: Inside and land some tremendous combinations of his own, from

1363
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 4: the leg kicks to the body shots to those.

1364
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 2: Nasty, nasty hooks upstairs. I mean, Ribovics is an absolute

1365
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 2: war warrior, but so.

1366
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 4: Is zel Huber. It looked like he was out of

1367
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 4: it right. It looked like they were going to stop

1368
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 4: the fight, and I think a lot of people probably

1369
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 4: wouldn't have had a problem with that. But his ability

1370
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 4: to stay in the game, keep his head and body

1371
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 4: moving to avoid some of those critical combinations that Ribovicks

1372
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 4: was throwing to knock him out.

1373
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 2: Was just amazing.

1374
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 4: And what's crazy in round three is del Hooper had

1375
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 4: dropped Ribovis and it looked like he was well on

1376
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 4: his way to to win that fight. But either way,

1377
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 4: I'd love to talk about the decision at some point, John,

1378
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 4: But man, that was an insane fight.

1379
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 2: Certainly, if it's not fight of the year, round three

1380
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 2: is definitely round of the year. Yeah, it's interesting.

1381
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 3: Zel Hooper's twenty five, and there is some sort of

1382
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 3: a career price to pay potentially if you have too

1383
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 3: many fights like this. But yeah, I definitely thought there

1384
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 3: was an argument to be made that zel Hooper won

1385
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 3: the fight. I just can't get past this lightweight division

1386
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 3: and these four lightweights who competed on this night, Manuel

1387
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 3: torres Ignaciobau Mondez Esteban Ribevicks and Daniel Zelhuber Rebevixs and

1388
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 3: zel Hoober can Flow combined twenty eight and two coming

1389
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 3: in Like, these guys are like in the top thirty.

1390
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 3: Like it's so hard, right, Like it was so hard

1391
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 3: for our friend Matt the steamroll of for Vola to

1392
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 3: get a number next to his name at fifty five.

1393
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 3: And you know, call me when zel Hooper's actually ranked,

1394
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 3: because I believe that he's a top eighteen lightweight in

1395
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 3: the world.

1396
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 2: Are so it's just so.

1397
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 4: Hard at fifty five, bro, dude, I've been saying this,

1398
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 4: you know, of course, maybe with a little bit of

1399
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 4: bias when I was fighting, but to this day, it's

1400
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 4: the toughest division in the world. These are the most

1401
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 4: skilled guys. There's no division that runs as deep as

1402
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 4: one fifty five. One five is badass, one thirty five

1403
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 4: is badass, one seventy is bad as.

1404
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 2: All these divisions. Are you?

1405
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 4: I mean, you got to be an absolute savage, But

1406
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 4: when it comes to depth and level of technique and toughness,

1407
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 4: I don't.

1408
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 2: Think there's any division that comes close. Well, yeah, I

1409
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 2: don't think there's anything that comes close.

1410
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 4: One fifty five has been the division since I could remember.

1411
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's insane.

1412
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 4: Even if you go back to like the bj pan

1413
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 4: Kualoho Jens Palmer days with all those set stuff. So yeah, man,

1414
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 4: uh that that division is crazy just to make it

1415
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 4: into the top ten.

1416
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 2: Uh, You're you're a savage. Ken Flow.

1417
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 3: Alex Davis is having a hard time technically, Cody. I

1418
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 3: just sent you his contact information. Perhaps you can see

1419
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 3: if there's a way to get Alex Davis on with us.

1420
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 3: But I really find it interesting the rebuild for Zelle

1421
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 3: Huber to see where Riebovis goes from here. Fascinating fight

1422
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 3: there at one hundred and fifty five pounds, and Joe

1423
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 3: Rogan said maybe the best fight that he's ever called.

1424
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 2: Hey, real quick, I just had in my notes.

1425
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 3: I don't think the UFC would give Diego Lopez Arnold Allen,

1426
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 3: but I do think that that's an interesting fight at featherweight.

1427
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 3: But I think if you're the UFC and you're a promoter,

1428
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 3: these are things that you have to weigh. I don't

1429
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 3: know what the internal metrics say about Diego Lopez and

1430
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 3: his relative star power and how much he would make

1431
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 3: the UFC if he were the champion versus someone like

1432
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 3: Arnold Allen, who would have the entire United Kingdom behind him,

1433
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 3: But a lot of those things go into it, and

1434
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 3: you can be sure that if Jack Della Maddalena is

1435
01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 3: the undisputed UFC welterweight champion with an entire continent behind him,

1436
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 3: you know that would be a money maker for the UFC.

1437
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 3: So do you think Diego lopez Is star power is

1438
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 3: such that like he's moved himself past that Arnold Allen

1439
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 3: fight and it is only gonna be one of those

1440
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 3: big three.

1441
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 2: It's possible, you.

1442
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 4: Know, I think, yeah, I mean I I wouldn't be

1443
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 4: surprised to see something like that, you know. But I

1444
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 4: do think that you have a guy in Lopez who

1445
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 4: now represents Brazil and Mexico really really well, you know, and.

1446
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:32,839
Speaker 2: You're right, two nations.

1447
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that the way that he fights

1448
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 4: is what makes him so interesting as well. I mean,

1449
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 4: he is he always goes out to perform, He's always

1450
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 4: exciting and always is ready to fight at any time,

1451
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 4: and I think that's what makes him so beloved.

1452
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 2: And you have this.

1453
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 4: Huge show, you know, being on the main card of

1454
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 4: O'Malley and Morob, and you're gonna get more, You're gonna

1455
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 4: get a bigger fan base. So I'm excited to see

1456
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 4: what's in store for him as well. And definitely one

1457
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 4: of the stars at one hundred and forty five pounds,

1458
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 4: there's no question about it. But more than anything else,

1459
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 4: I think it's the way that he fights that makes

1460
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 4: him a star, and that makes him one of those

1461
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 4: go to.

1462
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 2: Guys that the UFC has on its roster, all right.

1463
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 3: We also congratulate Rinaldo Rodriguez getting it done in the

1464
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 3: main card opener or a flyweight against Odey Osbourne. He

1465
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 3: had to dig deep and that came at a point

1466
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 3: in time where the Mexicans I think had dropped four

1467
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 3: successive fights, So that was a big win for him

1468
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 3: in that moment. He's now won seven fights in a row.

1469
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 3: We will touch on the feature prelim, of course, we'll

1470
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 3: touch on some of these other performances. What about Nacho

1471
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 3: though Ken Floyd, do you see the Chilean at Nazio

1472
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 3: ba A Monde's knockout Manuel Torres on the prelim portion?

1473
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 2: I did? I did? That was nasty, dude. That kid's good, man.

1474
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 2: He's really really good in towards as a problem.

1475
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 3: You talk about like Ludavit Klein who has a win

1476
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 3: over at nazioba A Mondez and how good he is.

1477
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 3: I really do believe that this Chilean kid, who was

1478
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 3: a national Chilean kickbox champion at fourteen, I think he's

1479
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 3: now twenty seven, has so many tremendous male influences in

1480
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 3: his life. Now in Chicago, Mike Valley is just such

1481
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 3: a good coach and a centering individual.

1482
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 2: And then of course.

1483
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 3: Below Muhammad, when you look at Nacho, like, is it

1484
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 3: a fair question for me to ask you how high

1485
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 3: the ceiling is? Certainly he's a willing grappler, but we

1486
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 3: haven't necessarily seen him tested in those realms. But he

1487
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 3: does have a submission game. He's got offensive submissions more

1488
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 3: than some of these other guys. Like, how high is

1489
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 3: the ceiling for these six foot three and slightweighted Nacio

1490
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 3: botm on this, Yeah.

1491
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 2: Six foot three, gosh, it's insane. I think he has

1492
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 2: a very high ceiling.

1493
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 4: He's clearly committed to the game, you know, and is

1494
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 4: so confident in his skills now that he expects to

1495
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 4: go out there and knock out every guy he faces.

1496
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 2: And you know, and.

1497
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,839
Speaker 4: Again to got to get back to it to belall,

1498
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 4: anytime you have a champion or a high level fighter,

1499
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,600
Speaker 4: just a high level fighter in your camp and in

1500
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 4: your surroundings alone makes you better and adds a certain

1501
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 4: level of confidence. You add that now to the fact

1502
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 4: that you have this home grown world champion in Bala Mohammed,

1503
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 4: that is going to help you. You're going to believe

1504
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 4: in that system. That much more. You're going to gain

1505
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 4: that much more from your training sessions as well. So

1506
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 4: I think he's certainly.

1507
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,640
Speaker 2: A guy that can be elite at one hundred and

1508
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 2: threey five pounds.

1509
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 4: But you mentioned the grappling. I think that's where he

1510
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 4: needs to make his greatest gains. And not only will

1511
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 4: it make him just a better fighter overall, it's going

1512
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,839
Speaker 4: to give him that much more confidence as a striker,

1513
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 4: knowing that if they do go to the ground, or

1514
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,879
Speaker 4: if they do try to take take him down.

1515
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 3: He'll be ready for all Right, we are going to

1516
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 3: reschedule with Alex Davis have a hard time connecting, so

1517
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 3: I apologize to him. He did corner both Kaitlyn Sosa

1518
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 3: and Big norm Norma Dumont to victories last night, so

1519
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 3: we were really hoping to connect with him today. He

1520
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 3: also just has some tremendous thoughts about improving this sport

1521
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 3: that we all love so dearly. If somebody asked, you

1522
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 3: can flow before we get to Big Normal, if you

1523
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 3: could do one thing to change mixed martial arts today.

1524
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 3: So oftentimes the first thing I say is I would

1525
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 3: give judges the resource that is half points.

1526
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 2: But then somebody said to me this weekend?

1527
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 3: How do you not focus on weight cutting? And so

1528
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 3: I do think that forced to re answer. For me,

1529
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 3: if I could change anything at MMA, it would be

1530
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 3: having fighters compete more closer to their natural way to

1531
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 3: not share death in the face and cut all of

1532
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 3: this weight. Then second for me would be giving judges

1533
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 3: half points. But you know, when you look at modern

1534
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 3: day mixed martial arts and all the progress that we

1535
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 3: have made, like what for you would be the one

1536
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 3: thing you would change to try to make the sport better?

1537
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, it's difficult because I like things nice and simple,

1538
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 4: and in my opinion, I think sometimes when you add

1539
01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:00,679
Speaker 4: complexity into a system, you offer up vulnerabilities other things

1540
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 4: that can go wrong. But I do think that if

1541
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 4: we can have some kind of measurement or have some

1542
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 4: kind of accountability for the judges in this sport, I

1543
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 4: think we'd be better off in the future.

1544
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 2: What do I mean by that?

1545
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 4: And we've talked about this, have some kind of criteria

1546
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 4: that if a judge maybe has a bad call, right

1547
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 4: like we've had the UFC take literally take them out

1548
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 4: of the area like you're done for the night, Well,

1549
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 4: what do we do for them? Like in the future,

1550
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 4: like there should be some kind of system where we're

1551
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 4: able to grade them and just like kind of they

1552
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 4: can move up from the local to the regional to

1553
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 4: the highest levels of the sport where they can almost

1554
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 4: be downgraded based on how they're judging fights. I think

1555
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 4: that would give them the incentive to make sure that

1556
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 4: they're doing the best job possible. I'm sure many are,

1557
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 4: no question, and there's only a couple of judges out there,

1558
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 4: but I think that would help the sport. That's something

1559
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 4: I'd like to see is have some kind of because

1560
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 4: the fighters, if they don't win, they're they're held accountable,

1561
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 4: right they they moved out of the rankings, they don't

1562
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 4: get the fun they want whatever it is they want.

1563
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 2: There should be something like that, I think For the judges,

1564
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 2: I think so too.

1565
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 3: I think that is the biggest issue when it comes

1566
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 3: to all of the different segments of our MMA population.

1567
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 3: They're just not enough elite judges and we need to

1568
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 3: sort of build out that base and hold those guys

1569
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 3: accountable even at the highest levels. Yeah, I real quickly

1570
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 3: want to touch on the featured prelim if I could.

1571
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 3: What a productive week it was for the ninth rank

1572
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 3: Bandamway contender Norma Dumont. She'll be in the top five

1573
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 3: now after getting pastor ran Aldonald.

1574
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 2: We'll talk about the cut and everything else as well.

1575
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 3: But you know, Dumont just had such a productive week,

1576
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 3: right from talking shit about Juliana Penya and Raquel Pennington.

1577
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 3: I just feel like she now is all of a

1578
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 3: sudden in this mix at one hundred and thirty five pounds,

1579
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 3: And yeah, I did drop a big Norm on the year.

1580
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,839
Speaker 2: I couldn't resist super good. Dude.

1581
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 4: Listen, mind your p's and q's if you're gonna be

1582
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 4: around Big Norm because she probably yeah, she fought so

1583
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 4: damn Well, listen, there's not a whole lot of people

1584
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 4: in the sport that are good at fighting, going backwards

1585
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 4: and being able to counter.

1586
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 2: And when you see Big Norm do her.

1587
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:19,719
Speaker 4: Thing in that weight class man against an aggressive All Donna,

1588
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 4: like you know, I think that, you know, and DC

1589
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 4: was kind of saying something to the fact of that,

1590
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 4: like Dumont didn't like when al Donna was being aggressive.

1591
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 4: In my opinion, I think it helped her, Like I

1592
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 4: think she was so good at being able to find

1593
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 4: ways to counter her and she was comfortable everywhere she

1594
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 4: was so versatile with her striking, and I think that

1595
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 4: also was the difference. Like I think al Donna is

1596
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 4: excellent with her hands, but Dumont is much much more

1597
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 4: than that. Not only was she awesome with her jab

1598
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:55,759
Speaker 4: and her boxing, but her kicking, her movement, her elbows. Dude,

1599
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 4: she is nasty. Wasn't so successful with her takedowns. I

1600
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 4: would have liked to I've seen maybe more of that,

1601
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 4: but she didn't need to. She was so clean with

1602
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:05,520
Speaker 4: her movement and footwork.

1603
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 2: Man.

1604
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 4: I was blown away, and I truly believe another fight

1605
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 4: or two she could be fighting for that belt.

1606
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 2: She's that good. John So right now, al Donna's cut

1607
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 2: was one of the worst cuts that I have ever seen,

1608
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 2: and I can't even imagine some of the visuals that

1609
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 2: we're going to see on her social media as she

1610
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 2: gets all stapled up. But when we showed the worst

1611
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 2: shot of the cut, Joe Rogan and Daniel Cormier were

1612
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 2: nowhere to be found. Rogan's in the octagon and DC,

1613
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 2: I think, was making his way up to our pay

1614
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 2: per view stand up position or whatever it was. So

1615
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 2: I am the only one there having to react to

1616
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 2: the cut, and Rogan suggested it was one of the

1617
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 2: worst cuts that he had ever seen, and at no

1618
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 2: point did the referee call in the ringside physician to

1619
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 2: take a look. And I know that Domina Cruz was

1620
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 2: very happy with the way the Commission handled this night

1621
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 2: and and doctors allowing these fights to continue.

1622
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 3: But for me, Kenny, it's borderline criminal when you have

1623
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 3: that much blood and grossly inconsistent that the referee here

1624
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 3: doesn't call for the doctor to at least come in

1625
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 3: and take a look, Like what are we doing?

1626
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 2: All right?

1627
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 4: So John, you know, I don't really like like like

1628
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 4: shaking hands right. Well, you know, it's like we get

1629
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 4: germs all over our hands, right, and I've gotten sick

1630
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 4: from actual autograph signing and stuff.

1631
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 2: So I'm like a little neurotic about this stuff.

1632
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 4: But anyways, right, so our hands are dirty everything, We're

1633
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 4: dirty all the time. Our gloves. You think about the

1634
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 4: gloves all that stuff. So when you have a cut that.

1635
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 2: Is that big, it's like a hotel for bacteria.

1636
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 4: But I'll just keep I keep thinking about that. Right,

1637
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 4: So that happens with the little cuts. You don't even

1638
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 4: need a cut that's visible to get some kind of infection. Okay,

1639
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 4: I've had a lot of different staff infectors, elbow's knees.

1640
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 4: It sucked. It's horrible when you see a cut that big.

1641
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 4: And that wasn't the only one. She had a huge

1642
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 4: one on her on her forehead right, probably the worst

1643
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 4: I've ever seen.

1644
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 2: And it wasn't like just one little slit.

1645
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 4: It was I mean, it looked like she got hacked

1646
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 4: away by a like an axe, like a couple times.

1647
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that freaking bad. Yeah, it was horrible. And

1648
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 2: then she's got a huge cut in her nose.

1649
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 4: Her nose is certainly broken, maybe some kind of thing

1650
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 4: other thing going on with her face. I mean, first

1651
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 4: of all, Adonna is insanely tough to get through that.

1652
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 4: But as far as worst cuts, yeah, that might be

1653
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 4: the worst cut I've ever seen in mixed martial arts

1654
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 4: in combat sports period. It was absolutely nasty and certainly

1655
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 4: an argument for that fight to have been stopped a

1656
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 4: lot earlier. But man, that was crazy, and it was

1657
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 4: the forehead one that was from the headbutt, and then

1658
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 4: I think there's another one with the elbow that maybe

1659
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 4: compounded that.

1660
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 2: It matters not what caused the cut in terms of

1661
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 2: referee or doctor involvement.

1662
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 3: It was an inadvertent clash of heads. Herb Dean was

1663
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 3: the referee here, and I'm most of the fan base

1664
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 3: is gonna laud him for allowing this fight to continue.

1665
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 3: But if any of my referee contemporaries want to text me,

1666
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 3: feel free. I know these guys are very close knit

1667
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 3: and they don't want to sort of take issue with

1668
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,640
Speaker 3: something somebody else does. But I find it hard to

1669
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 3: believe that Mark Ottard or Jason Herzog in there would

1670
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 3: not have called in the doctor, Like what do we

1671
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 3: just want?

1672
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know. I just feel like we're getting

1673
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 2: away from ourselves a little bit here in terms of

1674
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:26,799
Speaker 2: like fighter safety.

1675
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was one of those who were like, I

1676
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 4: wasn't even sure like stitches were gonna do the job.

1677
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm not even joking. Maybe Staples for that one.

1678
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,879
Speaker 4: That one is extremely bad. They're gonna need a plastic

1679
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 4: surgeon to really seal that up. I don't know how

1680
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 4: that's gonna look from a scar perspective. I don't know

1681
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 4: how that's going to hold up for her in the

1682
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 4: future when it comes to other fights. She's gonna need

1683
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 4: a whole lot of time off it was a really

1684
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 4: really bad one man. And yeah, and hopefully there's no

1685
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 4: complications when it comes to whatever infections she may face

1686
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 4: in the future too.

1687
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 2: So oh crazy, crazy and it's tough, and I know

1688
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 2: these guys have a really difficult job. I felt like

1689
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 2: some of Daniel zell Huber's body language was such that

1690
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 2: I think Jason Herzog could have stopped that fight. And

1691
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 2: you know, he had a fight I think maybe it

1692
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,600
Speaker 2: was nos Ordini mob Bob and Jared Cannoneer earlier this

1693
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 2: year where maybe he was criticized for stopping the fight

1694
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:22,679
Speaker 2: too early.

1695
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 3: It's a very difficult job for these referees. But you

1696
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 3: have to be convicted and you have to not worry

1697
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:38,480
Speaker 3: about promotional pressure or fan appeal, right. You need to

1698
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 3: stop fights when you're instinctively thinking they should be stopped.

1699
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I thought I thought that, sorry,

1700
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,520
Speaker 3: go ahead, go ahead, no please all you sorry.

1701
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 2: John, we're off our method there.

1702
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was gonna say that, you know, for me,

1703
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 4: just like a fighter can get emotional during a fight, well,

1704
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 4: what's really easy for a referee to get emotional or

1705
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 4: to have his head in the game during these crazy

1706
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:05,759
Speaker 4: exchanges that are happening inside and happening inside and octagon.

1707
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:10,719
Speaker 4: They have a crazy difficult job and are under enormous

1708
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 4: pressure themselves. And I think looking back on that fight

1709
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 4: in particular, I would say Jason Herzog made the right

1710
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 4: call in that zel Huber Rimovik fight like and and

1711
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

1712
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 2: Like if it was stopped, I don't think anybody would

1713
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 2: have had a problem.

1714
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 4: But based on how he was seeing zel Hubert defense

1715
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 4: to move his head, he absolutely made the right call.

1716
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 4: In huge props to Herzog. Sometimes we get caught up

1717
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 4: criticizing referees. I think we have to say, awesome job

1718
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 4: by her.

1719
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think that's fair, right, And certainly the

1720
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 3: result speaks to him making the right decision. But you

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Speaker 3: can certainly argue that he would have been criticized by

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Speaker 3: some for stopping that fight and preventing the rest of

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Speaker 3: the war that ensued. It just comes back to this

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Speaker 3: statement that referees are praised when they let fights go

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Speaker 3: long and good things happen, and seems like they're criticize

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Speaker 3: when they stop fights. Even a scoach prematurely, all right,

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Speaker 3: we got to get on out of here, thanks to

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Speaker 3: everybody for indulging us live here today for this real season,

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Speaker 3: no cha UFC recap and just an incredible week. Thanks

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Speaker 3: to everybody for all the support our incredible UFC Live

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Speaker 3: production team.

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Speaker 2: That Sphere event was like nothing.

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Speaker 3: I've done before, and hopefully it isn't the last of

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Speaker 3: those special type shows. We might be back later in

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Speaker 3: the week with an interview with Morob Dwallish Willie. We

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Speaker 3: wanted to at least give him this Sunday to sort

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Speaker 3: of marinate in his win, but short of that, we

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Speaker 3: will be back next Monday to get you ready for

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Speaker 3: Ben was Santoni and Anapto moy Kano with that, don't

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Speaker 3: one more sleep merchandise and all of those good things.

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Speaker 3: Our producer is Cody Merrow with that for Campflom John

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Speaker 3: and thank you for watching this live edition of the

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Speaker 3: Anak Andplorin Podcast. We will talk to you potentially in

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Speaker 3: a few days with Morob.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise next Monday. Until then, enjoy your football Sunday. If

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Speaker 2: that applies, you.

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Speaker 4: Don't have like you can roast either task me the

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Speaker 4: soul to the bread.

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Speaker 2: He's gone bred. He's gone bred. Lay its oppressious to

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Speaker 2: the mess that you can't keep your hands on the

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Speaker 2: box in the open.

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Speaker 4: He's gone red. He's gone red. He's going