1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Good morning, Peepsen. Welcome to will gae F Daily with 2 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: Today's conversation with our good, good friend, doctor Jonathan Mexel 4 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: is one that frankly, we need to be having that 5 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: the mainstream news is not having. And once again, I know, 6 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: Summer you may roll your eyes and say, Danielle, my god, 7 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: when can we stop talking about COVID when COVID is 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: gone and which it is not. And today Jonathan and 9 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: I get into a really real honest conversation about sounding 10 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: the alarm with regard to where we are headed this winter. 11 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: You know, we just all came off of the holiday, 12 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: many of us mixing, mingling, holiday day parties, family gatherings, 13 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, all of these things. And the fact is 14 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: that I have received and you will hear this in 15 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: the interview coming up next, multiple texts from friends in 16 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: different areas of the country who now have COVID. Some 17 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: of them it is mild, for others not so much. 18 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: Other people within my own family have been battling against 19 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: a really bad cold that kind of mirrors RSV but 20 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: hasn't been diagnosed as such. And during all of this, 21 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: I have been taking zinc multiple times a day. I've 22 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: been taking theraflu pills because while I was home for 23 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: the holidays, both my mother and my sister got sick, 24 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: and you know, trying to remember that we do, in 25 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: fact have all of the tools to keep ourselves well, 26 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: one of them being wearing a fucking mask, which like 27 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: many Americans, I have lapsed on only really wearing it 28 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: when I'm on public transportation, but not when I'm going 29 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: into indoor spaces and not taking the same precautions that 30 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: I was. And so for me, the fact that several 31 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: people around me have gotten ill have prompted me to 32 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 1: go and get my COVID booster, to go and get 33 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: my flu shot, all of which I did at the 34 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: end of last week. So take this message with you 35 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: to your friends, take it to heart, take it to 36 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: your family. But the reality is that we are headed 37 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: into what Jonathan has said, and what I believe as well, 38 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: is going to be a really rough health season in 39 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: this first quarter of the new year. Why is that, Well, 40 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: we will go into specifics, but basically, China has relinquished 41 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: their zero COVID policy after mass protests, and you know, 42 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: folks will say, well, now you see what's happened. Well, 43 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: their zero COVID policy was pretty much not putting into 44 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: consideration the needs, the emotional concern and how it was 45 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: wearing on the citizens of that country. Because of that, however, 46 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: you now have a billion people plus that are going 47 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: to be in circulation with one another that haven't been 48 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: for the last three years. And we know that COVID 49 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: readily mutates when it has guess what, more host bodies 50 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: in order to mutate with. So now we've just added 51 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: a billion people back into circulation in a really huge way, 52 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: meaning travel bands have been lifted, you know, people being 53 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: able to go out and dine in all of those things. 54 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: And we know again the world is not flat, you know, 55 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: outside of what some QAnon idiots may believe. And we 56 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: are more interconnected, more globally related than we have ever 57 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: been before. So what do I mean by all of that? 58 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: Brace yourselves. Things are going to get real different, real soon. 59 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say real bad, I'm gonna say real different. So, 60 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: if you, like me, ran out of mass over the 61 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: holiday season, I suggest that you get on Amazon, get 62 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: on wherever. If you buy them locally and stock up 63 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: on the good medical mass. I suggest that you stock 64 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: up on the hand sanitizers, that maybe the next couple 65 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: of trips that you make to the grocery store and 66 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: to the CVS, that you go ahead and you buy 67 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: those home rapid tests that you have, you know, a 68 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: couple on supply for yourselves and for your family, because 69 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: on top of COVID, we have RSV, we have the flu. 70 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: And again, folks, the boosters, the vaccines, they are not 71 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: one hundred percent, but what they are helping us to 72 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: do is keep people out of intensive care units, keep 73 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: people off of ventilators, keep people as well as possible 74 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: to be able to ride out sickness at home. So 75 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: if you have not gotten your shots, please please please 76 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: take this episode as the alarm that you need to 77 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: go off. At the beginning of this year, as we are, 78 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,119 Speaker 1: you know, people are taking up resolutions, and as I said, 79 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: I'm not really into the resolutions, I'm into intention setting. 80 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: Wellness is at the top of my list in so 81 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,239 Speaker 1: many different ways, and so put your wellness, your health 82 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: on the top of your list because we are going 83 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: to need it as we go into the first quarter 84 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: of this new year. Coming up next my first conversation 85 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: with our dear dear friend, doctor Jonathan Metzo. Well Jonathan, 86 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: Happy New Year. It is officially twenty twenty three. We 87 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: have changed the calendar, and you know, while it is 88 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: a signifier for some of of a fresh start, we 89 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: know that I believe that the beginning of the year 90 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: is very much a review of where we came from 91 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: and where we think that we are going to be headed. 92 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: So I want to start off today with you, Jonathan, 93 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: with saying a couple of things. One, folks that I 94 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: know we're hit with significant illness at the end of 95 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: at the end of the year, my mother, my sister, 96 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: some semblance of they didn't have the flu, wasn't COVID 97 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: potentially RSV, maybe just a really bad cold. Folks that 98 00:06:55,200 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: I know have COVID have gotten it fairly bad. And 99 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: while all of this is happening because we have largely 100 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: let go of masks, we have largely decided that COVID 101 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: is no longer a thing. We're also watching places like 102 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: China which have now lifted their COVID restrictions in a 103 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: lot of ways. And now the United States is putting 104 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: on and other countries putting on restrictions or guidelines about 105 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: how folks coming from China need to enter into the country. 106 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: So I just you know, as we're moving and we are, 107 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: you know, in the beginning basically of winter, what are 108 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: your thoughts on how we ended the year with talking 109 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: about public health, recognizing that hospitalizations for young people, old 110 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: people are going up because of this triple pandemic that 111 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: we are in COVID, RSV, and flu, and how we 112 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: need to be talking about public health and what we 113 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: need to still be paying attention to in this new year. Well, 114 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: happy new year everybody. You know, I have to say 115 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: I'm about to say something I haven't said on this 116 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: show in a while, but COVID's going to be a 117 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: big deal. It's going to actually be a big deal 118 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: coming up for us. And I know everybody's like, we've 119 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: moved on, we're not paying attention all that kind of stuff. 120 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: But you know, just think about think about cave people 121 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: out in the out in the you know, in their 122 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: day and they're like, we're done with snephylopteris. You know, 123 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: we're sick of living in caves. We want to go 124 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:50,599 Speaker 1: outside to help with this new this new dinosaur, Torontosaurus 125 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: Rex we're just going to go out, and then they 126 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: got eaten by the t rex. And in a way, 127 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: what we're seeing is a really terrifying I think, even 128 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: though nobody's willing to admit it, new combination of virus. 129 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this new, this new covid is immune escaping 130 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: in a way that we haven't seen before. And at 131 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: the same time, we've got like people flying u from China, 132 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: you know who are It's it's just it's it's really 133 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: just a disaster that's happening, and it's going to get worse. 134 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: And so I don't want to be like Debbie Downer again. 135 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: I love puppies, I love um other galo PNEs all 136 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: that shit. Um, but I would say that we're in 137 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: for some COVID stuff coming up. And the other thing 138 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: I worry about, again not to be a total downer, 139 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: is we're getting caught with our proverbial pants and because 140 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: and the reason I'm saying that is because at least 141 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: the last time we had a wave like the wave 142 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: we're about to have right now, we had been preparing 143 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: for it. You know, we had rapid tests build up 144 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: in our stock pile, and we've been working on a 145 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: new vaccine, and we've been funding prevention and we had testing, 146 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: and I understand, like you know, people are saying that 147 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: that's not a good way to address a pandemic, that 148 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: we should just ignore it. And I'll go on. But 149 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: as we've said a million times on the show, the 150 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: virus sets the narrative. We don't set the narrative. And 151 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: I think the virus, unfortunately, is about to set the 152 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: narrative in a way that we've not been preparing for. 153 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: And so it's a it's an interesting time. You know. 154 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: Hopefully Kevin McCarthy can do something to stop all this. 155 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: But that was funny, But I would just say, you know, 156 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: it's just our our divisions are great, our preparedness is 157 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: not great, and the virus is preparing another attack right now, 158 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: and so I just I'm concerned, you know, And I 159 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: want to say this to Jonathan Um. I often thank you, 160 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: right UM for you know, just continuing to join each 161 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: and every week over these last couple of years. And 162 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: over the holiday you might have seen it, maybe you didn't, 163 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: but there was a tweet that went out, uh, and 164 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: then a couple of like uh reply tweets thanking you 165 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: and thanking us for continuing to have a conversation about 166 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: COVID when it seems that everywhere else UM has has stopped, 167 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: and that continuing that the only place UM, that that 168 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: folks are receiving any information about what to expect, how 169 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: to prepare UM is on this show. Oh my god, 170 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: that's great. Yeah, And so I genuinely want to say, 171 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, folks can sometimes feel like we're beating a 172 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: dead horse, like you know, can't you just let GOVID already? 173 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is UM is no UM. 174 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: And and and so what happened and folks, and I'll 175 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: and I'll share this is I got UM two text messages, oh, 176 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: during the holiday week between Christmas and New Year's from 177 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: friends in different regions of the country who came down 178 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: with COVID. One was, you know, super mild, you know, 179 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: just like some sinus issues, fuzzy. The other one is 180 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: over a hundred degree fever, chills, body aches, as if 181 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: they had never received the vaccine to begin with. And 182 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: I got to tell you that it was a reminder 183 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: to me, and thank god I did it. I went out, 184 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: I got my booster and I got my flu shot. Yeah, 185 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: because I had become fairly lapsed in. You know, even 186 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: though we're doing this, having this conversation, I'm being transparent 187 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: that I had become fairly lapsed in how I was 188 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: moving and taking care of my own health and the 189 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: health of people around me. And then when I got 190 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: those two separate messages in the same week, I said, boom, 191 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to CVS. And I did, and I got 192 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: the shots and I walked out no side I mean, 193 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: I didn't have any side effects, as not to say 194 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: that other people won't. But the reality is is that 195 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: let us be your clarion call. Let us be you know, 196 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: the canary in the coal mine that is saying to 197 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: you that if you have yet to go get you're 198 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: a booster, your you know, your flu shot. This is 199 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: not the time to wait. I mean I I will 200 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: say a couple of things. I I've gotten two boosters, 201 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: and the second one, my second booster, I got this morning. 202 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: So I'm in the same boat, and we're busy and 203 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: other things are happening. But I would just say, now 204 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: is the time to be careful. Now that the caveat here, 205 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: of course is uh, you know, we should have been 206 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: updating this booster, you know, like we should we should 207 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: we We've we've defunded the science, We've defunded the preparedness 208 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: things like the medications. You know, we we we did great, honestly, 209 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: relatively speaking, science wise, compared to how it could have been. 210 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: But we've just the loss and faith of public health 211 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: has led to a defunding of science. And so the 212 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: tools that we have at our disposal right now are 213 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: not as good as the tools we had a year ago. 214 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: And I just I mean, the Republicans are controlling Congress now, 215 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: and that Congress controls the budget, which controls funding for science, 216 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,479 Speaker 1: and they're gonna defund all that stuff, and private foundations 217 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: just cannot make up for that kind of funding. And 218 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: so I don't know, it's it's it's an interesting time. 219 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: It's it's an intense time. I mean, certainly everybody seems 220 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: to have agreed to live with the virus, but I 221 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: think the still the same old ways of protecting yourself. 222 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: If you're in a crowded place, like I'm going to 223 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: be on a plane on Friday, you can bet your 224 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: petuity I'm going to be having wearing my N ninety 225 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: five masks, even if I'm the only person on the 226 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: plane wearing it. So at times when you feel crowded 227 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: on safe bad airflow, you know, do what you can 228 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: to protect yourself. But again, I think these next two 229 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: months are going to be very important, not just for 230 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: the urgent time of these two months, but also for 231 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: the long COVID that's going to come out out of 232 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: the infections that are going to happen. Now at the 233 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: end of the year. In New York, where we both are, 234 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: did not issue a mandate, but a more so of 235 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: a directive that stated that you know, let's begin to 236 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: mask indoors again, that it is a good idea because 237 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: you have this triple pandemic that is happening, and why 238 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: are people even if it is just a quote unquote 239 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: bad cold, why is that happening? And it didn't happen 240 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: last year because last year at this time we were 241 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: all heavily masking. Last year at this time, we were 242 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: all heavily testing. Those things have now gone out the window. 243 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: And what happens is our immune systems you tell me 244 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: of them, because you're the doctor, that our immune systems 245 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: are not as um robust as they were to kind 246 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: of these other particles, other germs that are in the 247 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: air because we had kind of kept ourselves at a 248 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: distance and separate from other people. And the masking really 249 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: does work obviously in terms of keeping us healthy and safe. 250 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: And so can you can you talk about I guess 251 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: those shifts and changes and how we you know, maybe 252 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: some ideas about how we prepare our immune systems to 253 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: um to kind of to fight against us on top 254 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: of right, in addition to folks, uh not an andor, 255 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: but in addition to getting boosted and getting the flu shot, 256 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: what are some things that we can be doing to 257 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: boost our immune systems. Well, the scary thing about this 258 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: XBB one point five whatever, the new one, is that 259 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: it looks very immune evasive, and so it's not like, 260 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: oh u, I had COVID six months ago and therefore 261 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: I'm in good shape. Like this new this new variant 262 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: is very immune evasive, and so it's a trade off, right, 263 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: But the best thing you can do is to try 264 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: to not get it right for right now until we 265 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: know more a bit more about it. And that means masking. 266 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: Masking blocks the virus coming into your body, and so 267 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: that's kind of the best thing we got. Now. It's 268 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: a trade off, right, because as you're suggesting people who masked. 269 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I have colleagues who massed for years, which 270 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: I kind of did too, And you do have to 271 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: then go kind of retrain your immune system. It's like 272 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: almost like you're you're like a new bee. Yeah, And 273 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: so I don't think that masking all the time is 274 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: ever gon. We're never going to go back to that. 275 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: We're never going to go back to mandates. But I 276 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: would say that, I would just say that, Um, it's 277 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to be like two alarmist or anything 278 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: like that, but I would just say the best thing 279 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: we have right now in these two months is masking. Now, 280 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: it's hard. Masking is not a realistic opportunity. It's it's 281 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: not realistic when nobody else is masking. It just actually 282 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: makes it really hard to mask, not just because of 283 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: your self conscious but because I don't know people. It's 284 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: not functionally realistic. So, um, but I would just say 285 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: that masking is what we got right now. So get 286 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: a good mask That's that's really the most important thing. 287 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: Get a booster if you can. The booster is not 288 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: going to totally get this variant, but it'll give you 289 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: some anti bodies, which will help you. But but again, 290 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: it's just it's just this weird moment of watching these 291 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: It's like watching a slow mom car wreck. Really is 292 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: really what it feels like, because here's the virus coming, 293 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: and here's America dividing and fracturing and not figuring it 294 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: out and all these kinds of things, and it's a 295 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: it's just a weird time. It's a weird time. Yeah. 296 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: And I you know, and again, you know, to remind 297 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: folks that like, this is your health, right, this is 298 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: your wellness. And so you know, yesterday, as everybody was, 299 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: you know, coming back into town and you know, going 300 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: to the grocery store and all of these things, I 301 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: saw more more people in my neighborhood in mass in 302 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: the grocery store than I've seen in the last six months. Yeah. 303 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: And whether or not it was because they had a 304 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: cold and they didn't want to give it to other 305 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: people or they're now starting to, you know, sense that 306 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people around them, as as I have, 307 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: are getting sick and just don't want it. And I 308 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: think that to Jonathan's point, which is that yes, the 309 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: boosters are not going to like turn you into a 310 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,959 Speaker 1: superhero that you have a full body shield. But what 311 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: it will do is that it will help your ability 312 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: to fight off whatever it is that comes into your system. 313 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: The mask is to prevent anything from coming into your system. 314 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: The boosters and the vaccines are that if something does 315 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: come into your systems, that you're not going to be 316 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: down for the count or you know or at a 317 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: at the extreme need to go to be hospitalized. That's 318 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: the point here is that if we take these you know, 319 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: thoughtful steps and measures, then we can prevent severe illness 320 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: and severe severe illness to Jonathan's point also includes law 321 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 1: from it. Yes, so tell us again, Jonathan, just to 322 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: remind folks, because I want us to be their alarm. 323 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: What are some of the things that I've been happening 324 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: with folks who have long COVID. Well, it's just it's 325 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: just for it's you're tired, and you feel like you 326 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: have the flu and last for nine months or something. 327 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: And so I just think that I've got colleagues whose 328 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: kids have pairicardial disease, hard you know, inflammation, some people 329 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: have lung disease, exhaustion, um and and unfortunately, we were 330 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: just learning a lot more about long COVID. I think 331 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: what we think about it now is very different than 332 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: than what people thought about it, you know, even a 333 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: couple of months ago. And I think what we're seeing 334 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,959 Speaker 1: is that there's a new strain of thought about long COVID, 335 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: that it's actually the residual effect of the actual virus. 336 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: It's not it's not like oh, your bodies whatever, that 337 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,479 Speaker 1: actually there's still residual virus in your in your system 338 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: and so um. And so we're still learning about it. Um. 339 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: But but again it's hard because the vaccine may or 340 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: may not help with long COVID, depending on kind of 341 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: I mean, there's still there's still a bunch of uncertainty. 342 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: And again, and this is understandable, we've only been in 343 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: this fight three years. But I would say that what 344 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: we've done, which is the biggest mistake, is really stopped 345 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: all the development of our knowledge, right we I mean, 346 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: the current vivalent vaccine that we have is the current 347 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 1: valent vaccine that we have is is the result of 348 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: like a lot of science about what the virus looked 349 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: like two years ago. And but we have the technology 350 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: to continually update update the vaccine, update our treatments, and 351 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: I know that work is kind of happening in a way, 352 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: but it's not happening the way it would be if 353 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: we were federally funding more research, which was what we're 354 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: not doing. Yeah, and you know, and what I will say, 355 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: and I think it was recently on MSNBC a doctor 356 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: was on Jonathan and she said that, you know, there 357 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: are still thousands of people that are being hospitalized in 358 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: hundreds that are dying every day from COVID. And while 359 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: mainstream media doesn't still have the ticker on that we 360 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: all got kind of used to in twenty twenty and 361 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one that outlined what was happening in each 362 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: and every state, it doesn't mean that it isn't happening. 363 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: And so the point of this message for our first 364 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: recording together is to remind people that COVID has not 365 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: gone away, that because we have this triple pandemic with COVID, 366 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: the flu and RSV, that we need to be doing 367 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: everything that we can, which includes masking indoors and in 368 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: places that are crowded. If you're outdoors as well, but 369 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: it's crowded to be taking care of yourself. And look, 370 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: it's fucking winter and most of the places right like, 371 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: why are you going out anyway, so you know, be 372 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: mindful of those get togethers, and be mindful of how 373 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: you are taking care of yourself and the folks around you, 374 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: and maybe begin to slowly institute the things that we 375 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: were doing before, which is washing your hands, which is 376 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: you know, making sure that you're wearing a mask and 377 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: crowded spaces. Maybe not going to the large you know, 378 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: uh indoor event. And if you are going, please get boosted, 379 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: Please do the things that unnecessary to keep yourself safe, 380 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: and advocate for continual support. I mean, we're about to 381 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: get a barrage where the entire COVID apparatus is going 382 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: to be seen as a a China plot and a 383 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: government plot and an oppression plot. And so the politics 384 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: of COVID, unfortunately are also mutating, and so and so 385 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: we are I just everybody be careful, but also realize 386 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: that this is a system issue also. So last thing, Jonathan, 387 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: for you is what are you seeing? Again? Largely the 388 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: United States seemed to over the last couple of years 389 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: lagged behind in about three weeks to a month behind 390 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: other countries. That we're giving us some mirror into what 391 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: to expect. And so is there anything that you've been 392 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: following internationally over the last month, the past month, that 393 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: is giving providing some intel and foresight into where we're headed. 394 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: I mean China, un least the orc army of COVID 395 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: on us. The zero COVID policy was great idea for 396 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: a while there, just the virus outlasted the policy. And 397 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: we know that the virus mutates as it circulates, and 398 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: so all of a sudden got a billion more circulators 399 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: and and and also a complete clampdown on information about 400 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: what's happening in China, and so I think it's going 401 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: to be super concerning, and it's just infuriating after how 402 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: this stupid thing all started in the first place. Um 403 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: that that there's still a clampdown on science and there's 404 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: no transparency and so nobody, nobody really knows really what's 405 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: happening in China right now in terms of how bad 406 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: it is. UM. But but I would say it's not 407 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: like there's any one country that has a corners the 408 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: market now on creating mutant mutations. Member. We used to 409 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: think like there's the Italy version and the you know, 410 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 1: Shawnee's breakfast Bar version and whatever. UM and mutations are 411 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,239 Speaker 1: happening in our own neighborhoods now. But I would just 412 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: say that adding a billion more circulators to the pool 413 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: um um, you know, it probably was going to happen 414 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: in China anyway, because that it was not a sustainable 415 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: policy to lock down everybody forever. But I would say 416 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: that it's just going to increase the mutation. And unfortunately 417 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: the mutations. People are probably noticing a pattern. They never 418 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: get better. It's not no, they don't. They actually get worse. 419 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: Like I wanted, as you know in the beginning, a 420 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: mutation that grew that cured male pattern baldness or give 421 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: you a four hour you know whatever, or that kind 422 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: of stuff, but we don't. We don't have the laughing 423 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 1: gas mutation. They're all worse and so and so we'll 424 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: have to see what happens here. And I unfortunately, I mean, 425 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: there's so much other stuff to talk about, and I'm 426 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: sure we'll talk about it, but this is a topic 427 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: that is just going to really require continued attention. So 428 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear from your viewers that that people 429 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: appreciate that, Jonathan. As always, we deeply appreciate you, your analysis, 430 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: your insights, your jokes, and thank you for ringing the 431 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: alarm for our first interview together for twenty twenty three 432 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: and folks, as always, we will continue to keep our 433 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: eyes open and inform you as we get information so 434 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: that you can continue to keep yourselves healthy and safe. 435 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: Appreciate you Jonathan hanging there. Everybody. That is it for 436 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: me today. Friends on Woke a f as always, Power 437 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: to the people and to all the people. Power, get 438 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: woke and stay woke as fuck.