1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Camp Hell. Anawaki is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: The views and opinions expressing this podcast are solely those 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: of the author and participants and do not necessarily represent 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: those of I Heart Media or its employees. Due to 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: discussion of traumatic, sexual and violent content, listeners, discussion is advised. 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: Out of the blue getting the call that this program 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: was being made, there was a little bit of dread, 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of relief. It's not something that 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: ever really goes away from me. It's also not a 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: part of my everyday life as far as my interactions 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: with other people and things that I do. Stays in 12 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: my thoughts less and less over time. My name is 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: Carl Moore. I was m five sixty two. I went 14 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: to an Awake and nineteen seven any six and left 15 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: there in uh Carl served as a counselor for Anawaki 16 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: and was the closest of anyone I spoke with to 17 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: Lewis Petter and his inner circle. By the time of 18 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: Carl's entry to Antawaki in, Petter had still managed to 19 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: keep contact with the boys on campus, even though he 20 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: was not permitted to enter their campsites. Carl remembers his 21 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,639 Speaker 1: initial introduction to the program while visiting a close friend 22 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: during one of Anawaki's fellowships, an annual fundraiser for the 23 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: foundation which would show off the improvement of its patients 24 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: to their families. That's the fellowship. We would have the 25 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: entire campus and all the families together in the Amphitheater area. 26 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: We go through a program and awards would be given out, testimonials, 27 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: kids would do skits. Yeah, everybody put on a good show, 28 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: and then after the main ceremony, each group would go 29 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: off to its own area and have lunch. It was 30 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: pretty impressive, and for me, I just saw these people. 31 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: I said, that's what I want. I want to I 32 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: want to be confident and strong and sure what I'm doing. 33 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: Like all these people looked like they were I knew 34 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: someone who was there, and I thought I'd never see again, 35 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: and I thought they were just not gonna make it. 36 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: Then I went out there and saw them at one 37 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: of the fellowships, and I couldn't believe. You know, it's 38 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: like they changed so much and it seems so positive. 39 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: And my life was in disarray. I mean, I was depressed, 40 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: anxious at the end of my rope. I felt like 41 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: then I saw this place where they had all these 42 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: healthy people, and I thought, well, maybe that's something I 43 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: should try. Carl remembers his first impression of Lewis Petter 44 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: following this fellowship. He was not really a big person 45 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: but physically but had a big presence. When he came 46 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: into a room, he knew he was there. If he 47 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: looked at you, you knew who was interested in you. 48 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: He paid attention to people. Petter was God and antawaiki. 49 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: When I came to view it as being his, there 50 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: was really no distinguishing in my mind him from the program. 51 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: Carl says this first introduction to anna Waki came at 52 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: one of the darkest times in his life, a time 53 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: when he was desperate for some guidance and direction. I 54 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: had gotten a girl pregnant and we had decided to 55 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: get an abortion. I had had a lot of self hatred, 56 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: I guess Carl decided that an awaki might be the 57 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: answer to his problems. He set up an entry interview 58 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: with Louis Petter. It is here that he would meet 59 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: him for the first time. I went for an interview 60 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: and into his office and I told him about that, 61 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: and I was pretty confused. He had a pitch that 62 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: he would give two people about letting go of your 63 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: feelings and ideas, and he actually kind of helped me 64 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: to let go of some of that anger and hurt 65 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: that I was feeling. Then he came over and had 66 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: me close my eyes and hold my hand up. I 67 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: didn't know what it was about. And then he came 68 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: over and he put his hand on my face and 69 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: put his thumb against my lips and I opened my 70 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: mouth and he put his thumb in my mouth. Now 71 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: let him do it? Even how you say, how could 72 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: I let him do that? And I was like, this 73 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: guy's God. He's helped all these people, He's done these 74 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: amazing things, and he must think I'm pretty special. From 75 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: going to want to kill yourself to be in uh, 76 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: one of God's chosen was big step. I think at 77 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: that point he said, well, you can come back and 78 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: go into program. We'll see how it goes. Over the 79 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: past several weeks, we have received number of very serious 80 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: allegations concerning both the facility out there in a number 81 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 1: of individuals involved with him. It was just a form 82 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: of their therapy. They were told to do it. And 83 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: at the time he was fourteen and a half fifteen 84 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: years old. They didn't know any better. I asked him, 85 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: why are you letting this happen? Why are you covering 86 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: up for Louis Packer. He had no answer to that question. 87 00:05:53,160 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: Involved having the institution paid little place and absolutely of 88 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: what they should have done. I'm disturbed the fact of 89 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: something that can still going on any wicked. I'm Josh 90 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: Stain and this is Camp hell An Awake. By the 91 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: mid nineteen seventies and Away he had established itself as 92 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: a successful program for troubled youth in Georgia. The center 93 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: had secured its medical license, which allowed the collection of 94 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: third party payments from insurance companies, and was now having 95 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: patients referred there from the court system as well as 96 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: other learning centers. Louis Petter, supposedly restricted from making contact 97 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: with any patients, was still keeping his office on campus grounds. 98 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: Any oversight at the time had slipped through the cracks 99 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: of state government, and the enrollment of patients at Antawaki 100 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: was growing exponentially. Carl moore Or was one of these patients. 101 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: He was admitted in nineteen seventy seven after seeing the 102 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: result of his brother's reform there. Carl's family had a 103 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: particular connection to Antawaki. His mother was involved in a 104 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: number of schools in Atlanta that would often refer children 105 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: to the program In Douglasville, Annawak's reputation had put the 106 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: program at the top of the list for educators to 107 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: send children who were beyond the scope of their help. 108 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: Here's Chris McKnight, a former patient who was referred to 109 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: Antawaki from the New School, a program headed by Carl's 110 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: mother tweeting More. And my father pulled me out of 111 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: the school. I was going to edit me into tweeting 112 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: More school the new school. I was there for a 113 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: couple of months, and at the new school, I met 114 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: a couple of people that I was at Annawaki with 115 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: who were at her school post and awake. So it 116 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: turns out tweeting More recommended Antawaki. It's not just me, 117 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: but a lot of other kids. My feelings with Tweetie 118 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: is I don't think she knew about the abuse of Annawaki. 119 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: I've known Tweetie since I was a little kid. I mean, 120 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: she's she's pasted an hour rest her soul. A number 121 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: of former patients I've interviewed said they were referred to 122 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: an Awake from other schools in similar ways. Word had 123 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: spread throughout learning centers in Georgia and neighboring states that 124 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: Antawaki was a solution for troubled kids who didn't have 125 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: a place elsewhere. Now that Anawaki was an officially licensed 126 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: medical hospital, it was also receiving patients who were wards 127 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: of the state of Georgia and other neighboring states like Alabama. 128 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: This all amounted to a large increase in the number 129 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: of patients enrolling, and Antawaki was running out of room. 130 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: It just seemed that things grew very rapidly while I 131 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: was there. I'm Stephen mckinn and I was a patient 132 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: and aniwag from July of nineteen seventy six through August 133 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty. My number was M five three and 134 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: Awaki had been established for sixteen years, but by nineteen 135 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: eighty the numbers were up above six hundred, so the 136 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: population at least by laundry number, increased threefold in the 137 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: time that I was there. Apparently, the Douglasville campus was 138 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: not big enough for the amount of people that were 139 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: coming in in a wiki would soon need to expand 140 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: their program outside of Douglasville. This would take form and 141 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: what would later be known as the South Campus in Carrabelle, Florida, 142 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: a small fishing town near Tallahassee on the Gulf of Mexico. 143 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: Anawiki had taken biking and canoeing trips to this town 144 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: dating back to some of its earliest years. In seventy one, 145 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: article from the Tallahassee Democrat pictures a group of boys 146 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: and two older men riding bikes single file down the highway. 147 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: The caption states Douglasville, Georgia utes and their leader on 148 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: their annual bike excursion to Florida on their way to 149 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 1: Daytona Beach via St. Augustine from Carabelle. Stephen says he 150 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: was one of the first groups sent there to build 151 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: what would become the South Campus. They looked among the 152 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: people that they had in Douglasville that we're in vocational 153 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: groups and chose a certain number of young men that 154 00:10:54,960 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: were physically strong and he evil to go down and 155 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: produce work without a lot of guide us. We were told, 156 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: y'all are going down here to build the campus, and 157 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: for the most part, that's what we did. I was 158 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: part of the first votational group that went down there. 159 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: All we did was work for six days a week 160 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: and went to church on Sunday and tried to go 161 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: swimming or something like that on Sunday afternoons. It was hot, 162 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: It was a lot of bugs, a lot of mosquitoes. 163 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: It was completely undeveloped, and when we first went down 164 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: all there was was that power poll a well with 165 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: water doct edders can ever in a Weekie's second campus 166 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: in Carabelle consisted of two locations approximately five miles apart, 167 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: often referred to as the bay Side and the land Side. 168 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: The bayside house to former motel taken over and renovated 169 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: by Inawaki patients. Five miles inward was Landside, once part 170 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: of World War two training camp Gordon Johnston. All that 171 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: was left was four cement blocks from a former military 172 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: radar station and untouched Gulf wilderness. This is where Stephen 173 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: and his first group would begin building a second campus 174 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: for word groups in Florida. We went down there and 175 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: began building a lodge, a place for us to eat 176 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: and meet. We slept on the old radar installations slab 177 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: and also worked building the first camp site down there, 178 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: which was called Shimidi. Landside was a few miles away 179 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: from Bayside. It was not on the coast. It was 180 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: four or five miles inland. There was not any mixing 181 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: of the academic groups and the vocational groups. We only 182 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:30,359 Speaker 1: came to Bayside to eat our meals and I finished 183 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: my part of Carabelle. There were two groups at Bayside 184 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: and three groups at Landside, so at that point it 185 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: was rapidly approaching the size of the Douglas Bell campus. 186 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: Stephen says the chosen location of Carabelle tied into the 187 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: educational aspect of an Awaki. For are to the building 188 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: of the second campus, and Awake he could only offer 189 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: a g D or prepare people for a g D. 190 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: They were not an accredited at school. So they entered 191 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: into some agreement with Carabell Public Schools and they had 192 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: three academic groups in Caribell, where the members of those 193 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: groups went to public school during the day and then 194 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: came back to what we called Bayside or the old 195 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: hotel at night. This practice of utilizing the Florida public 196 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: school system did not go unnoticed by the local government 197 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: in Caribell. In a newspaper article from four the new 198 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: superintendent of Franklin County mentions asking the inn a WEEKI 199 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: Foundation to pay tuition for its students attending floor to 200 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: public schools. In another article dated from and Awake is 201 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: described as a quote college prep school where students could 202 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: earn college credit by attending the Florida public schools. Eventually, 203 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: and Awake would be required to pay a tuition fee 204 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: of fifty dollars a student, but plans were already under 205 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: way to build their own school. Following the nine seventy hearing, 206 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: some restrictions have been put into place regarding Lewis Petter's 207 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: interaction with the boys at in Awake. The original stipulation 208 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: the Petter have no contact with any of the boys 209 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: had since been deluded to him not setting foot in 210 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: the sleeping quarters. By many accounts, this still meant Petter 211 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: would often see the boys, even still having visitors in 212 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: his house and maintaining his inner circle. Carl Moore, when 213 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: we first heard at the top of the episode, would 214 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: be next in line in a string of young men 215 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: which Petter would manipulate and abuse. Carl says this first 216 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: began in Carabelle. Everything about the way I went through 217 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: the program was different. I mean, looking back to me, 218 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: it was clear that I was selected to be something special. 219 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: I was assigned to group in Caravelle, Florida, which was 220 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: the first group down there. Most of what I remember 221 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: about that was was pretty positive. We had a couple 222 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: of group leaders that were I think they're really good guys. 223 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: They were the kind of people that's like, jeez, I 224 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: want to grow up and be like that guy. I 225 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: ended up in Carabelle, and then I think some of 226 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: the guys down there thought it was funny. You know, 227 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: I hadn't been through the you know, at some point 228 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: I ended up driving back and forth bringing supplies down 229 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: from Douglasville. Kind of immediately set me apart from everyone 230 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: else who couldn't go anywhere. I would say, yeah, Carl 231 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: doesn't have his knife frillages, but he can drive the 232 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: trucks back and forth. You know, there are already people 233 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: there that he had relationships with. He had a trailer 234 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: on the South campus. It was quite a privilege to 235 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: get invited to go to the trailer. He had another 236 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: guy who was who was living at his house then 237 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: who brought down there with him former patient. A couple 238 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: other guys who were I don't know if there are 239 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: patients or not at the time, but they all were. 240 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: It had been, you know, so that was the kind 241 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: of a special thing to get invited to come to 242 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: dinner in there that it was a good cook. By 243 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: the way, that was where I had really my my 244 00:17:54,240 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: first sexual experience with him. He was big on uh, 245 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: trust and loyalty. The standard speech was something like, I'm 246 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: gonna be your old elephant. He would say, I'm going 247 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: to teach you the way, and you can only have 248 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: one old elephant. Of course, everybody confided in him, and 249 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: he expected that, and it was clear that, you know, 250 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: he would expect that. I think he probably even addressed 251 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: it directly and saying, you know, something like you can 252 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: tell me everything or anything, but you can't do that 253 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: with everybody, and we did. Carl says that this type 254 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: of abuse was something that was felt out that not 255 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: all of the boys were subjected to, but only the 256 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: ones that were susceptible to it. So here's the slide 257 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: of hand that kind of happens with that. You're gonna 258 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: be open with me, You're gonna trust me absolutely, and 259 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna do away with all the taboos and all 260 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: this crap that you've been taught that makes you feel 261 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: so bad, and then I've put my hands on you 262 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: and say how does that feel? Say, well, you don't 263 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: say it feels weird. Yeah, I mean some some guys 264 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: would punch him out. He would know who those guys were. 265 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: It's just like what we learned on the Serengetti in Africa. 266 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: When the tigers or the lions are approaching a herd 267 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: of animals, they look for the weak ones that are 268 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: at the edge of the herd and they try to 269 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: pick them off. My name is Chris Newland, and I 270 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: am the executive director at the National Children's Advocacy Center. 271 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: We were actually the first child advocacy center in the world. 272 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: At Children's Advocacy Centers, what we do is coordinate the 273 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: multidisciplinary response to child abuse in our communities, and this 274 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: model includes partnerships and collaborations with law enforcement, child protective services, 275 00:19:54,760 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: medical providers, mental health professionals, prosecutors, victim advocates, so all 276 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: of us working in a coordinated manner. What's really insidious 277 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: in this is the fact that in child sexual abuse, 278 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: in many situations, the child ends up being sexually abused 279 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: by someone who they consider their friend, someone who they like. Oftentimes, 280 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: the term grooming is used to describe the actions that 281 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: happen leading up to sexual abuse with children by their abuser. 282 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: Chris says that this is an inaccurate term to use. 283 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: Why do we use a word grooming to describe what 284 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: an individual may do to sexual abuse a child? Why 285 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: do we use a word that is in every other 286 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: context pro social. What they're doing is manipulating. They're taking 287 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: advantage of someone whom they can they can deceive for 288 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: their own personal advantage and gain without any concern for 289 00:20:54,920 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 1: that individual. There's multiple levels of manipulation that occur. First, 290 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: an individual manipulate the broader environment by having a good 291 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: reputation and you know, being well respected in their community, like, oh, 292 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: Chris could never do something like that. I've known Chris 293 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: for twenty six years and I've only known him to 294 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: be x. Those are about creating this environment where I'm 295 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: manipulating everybody to think I'm a really good guy, to 296 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: hide the things that maybe I'm doing secretly. Another level 297 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: of manipulation that happens is the manipulation of caregivers or 298 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: trusted others. So let's say the individual wants to have 299 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: sexual contact with the child. Their first step really is 300 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: to win over the parents or caregivers of that child, 301 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: because they until they can have that individual access with 302 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: the child, they're not gonna have the opportunity to sexually 303 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: abuse them. It was part of the show, you know, 304 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: they had a program that did change live. Being in 305 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: the inside, I was kind of isolated. Really. Anybody that 306 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: was close to Petter was It's like two different worlds, 307 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: you know, there was a Aniwoki outside and the Petter inside. 308 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: He would definitely pick and choose whoever he was going 309 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: to be close to or spend time with. I think 310 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: that any group leader that had come through the program 311 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: was certainly going to be on that list of people 312 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: that would likely have had a relationship with better. It's 313 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: not an accusations, just just the way it is. The 314 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: last is the child, and it's not just a random 315 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: approach where I'm just gonna try to hit on every child. Necessarily, 316 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: that's not the case. Individuals may have particular interests and 317 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 1: who they're interested in or who they may have a 318 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: desire to be in contact with. They may also will 319 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: almost always look at is this a child who I 320 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: think I can manipulate or not. If you have a 321 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: child who always tells on everybody for every transgression, that's 322 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: not who you're going after, right because that that individual 323 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: is gonna, you know, tell. Shortly after Karl's stay at 324 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: the Carabell campus, he was promoted to group counselor and 325 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: put on an aweki's payroll, which brought him even closer 326 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: to Petter and his home. So I left the group 327 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: in Florida after pretty much after the ninety days, and 328 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: I got my crest. We were starting down that road. 329 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: And you know, some time after that, I went to 330 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: work with a group and it just kind of evolved 331 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: into a group leader. It wasn't like there was any 332 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: kind of formal process to it. I was just put 333 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: with a group. It's like, try this out. And at 334 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: some point I started getting a check for it, paycheck. 335 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: I was just following the program. Really, I wasn't the 336 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: first one to go through this. I needed a place 337 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: to go when I was off. Petter had a couple 338 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: of beds in the basement of his house and there 339 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: was another guy living there who had been through the program. 340 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: And to then we were part of the family. The 341 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: offender in this scenario is making the kids like them 342 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: where they are an important part of their life, because 343 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: it makes it harder for you to tell on someone 344 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: you really like. It's easy for any of us to 345 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: tell on someone we hate when they've done something wrong, 346 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: right like, oh hey, this person, I hate them, they 347 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: did this, But when it's someone we like, we're less 348 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: likely to the manipulation of You get to do something 349 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: that other people don't get to do, You get to 350 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: have access to something that other people don't get to 351 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: have access to, makes it where they You know, this 352 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: confusing notion of okay, but I'm special now that some 353 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: of this stuff feels weird, but I get all these 354 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: extra privileges or opportunities that other people don't get. I'm special. 355 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: And especially for someone who may be at a wilderness camp, 356 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: who hasn't maybe oftentimes felt special in their life or 357 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: been important to someone else, that can be very powerful 358 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: for them, not in a sexual away, but just to 359 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: feel respected, to feel wanted, to feel a part of something. 360 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: I don't think you could be in Petter's inner circle 361 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: without a great deal of denial. I mean I was 362 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: living with his family, and I would say, you know, 363 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: it's clear to me that at some level they knew 364 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: the drill. I think that, like a lot of people 365 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: in my position, they were essentially making sacrifices for the 366 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: greater good kind of thing. You know that Anna Waki 367 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: was so important and so good, you know we had 368 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: to keep it going. It's hard to describe what happens 369 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: something like that. You don't think about it, You think 370 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: about other things. Once you kind of compartmentalize that one 371 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: little objectionable thing, then you try to do things to 372 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: make your life worth while. I think everybody who is 373 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: near Petter did that in some way or another. Chris 374 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: says the not always, but sometimes this type of abuse 375 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: can continue downward from the abused to others. Now, in 376 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: the situation with Anna Waki, these behaviors were nurtured by 377 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: people in positions of influence, and we see this from 378 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:23,479 Speaker 1: time to time. Individuals who were abused become involved in 379 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: that and they have developing some level of enjoyment, and 380 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: they are they're encouraged to engage in this behavior with 381 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: other individuals. The other thing it does is it empowers 382 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: the offender. Like if let's say so, I I'm sexually 383 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: abusing this child and now I'm encouraging this childhood gates 384 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: in sexual contact. I can then go to that child 385 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: and say, if you ever talked about what happened, they're 386 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: going to find about about what you've done. You'll be 387 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: in trouble too. Now I've made my victim even more 388 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: vulnerable to me and more able to be manipulated because 389 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: you have these other people that are kind of this 390 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: pond the scheme of sexual abuse. People would confide in him, 391 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: and uh, he kind of kept an inventory of people. 392 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: He would have something to say about everybody, and he 393 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: kind of manipulated people with that information in a really 394 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: kind of clever, discreet way. Sometimes he would have confrontations 395 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: with people and they would they would not come out 396 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: ahead on it, and I think that's why. I think 397 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: people were afraid to confront him for that reason. I 398 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: think he was one of these people who had the 399 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: ability to turn people's own situations against them pretty easily. 400 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: He had told me once that he he had been 401 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: in the Scouts, the boy Scouts, and the Scout master 402 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: had taught them that male relationship with the older man 403 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: was important or healthy thing. The unusual thing was that 404 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: Petter saw it as this guy was right, and this 405 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: idea of these necessary and healthy sexual relationships with men. 406 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: I mean, clearly Petter saw things that way children can 407 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: be manipulated and manipulating them. It's also part of the 408 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: offender's mentality, like if other people are doing this, it's 409 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: more socially acceptable. In our inner circle, it's acceptable for 410 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: us to do that. I serve as a role model 411 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: for them so they can engage other kids in this activity. 412 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: It almost is gonna make it harder to believe. But 413 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: in the group that I'm hanging out with, the people 414 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: who I'm associating with, this is more commonplace and it 415 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: becomes a norm. I think I rationalized as long as 416 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: I could that I was doing the right thing. At 417 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: some point I couldn't accept that myself, but I really 418 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: had nowhere to go about it. It was almost like 419 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: I had stopped growing when I got there. In a 420 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: lot of ways, there was always the upside of it, 421 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: but the downside of it was that, yeah, I could 422 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: and keep living like that. I didn't know how to 423 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: get out. I think for probably the last two years 424 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: it's almost a blur. I didn't I wasn't functioning and 425 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: really any capacity. I just was depressed. I was suicidal. 426 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: It's probably by the narrowest of margins that I didn't 427 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: just kill myself. I I came really close. Yeah, I 428 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: just I had nowhere to go with it. The more 429 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: sincere you are about wanting to get help, the more 430 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: trusting you are, the more vulnerable will you become. Professional 431 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: therapists are trained about this stuff. It's it's not an 432 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: easy thing and I've learned quite a bit about it 433 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: their situations. Where anybody can lose their objectivity, there's training 434 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: and integrity and some mechanisms for therapists to deal with that. 435 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: There's not many mechanisms for patients to deal with it, 436 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: and that's unfortunate. Petter wasn't if he was trying to that. 437 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: He completely did the opposite, took the vulnerability and uh 438 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: and exploited it on a really huge scale. But it's 439 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: a cruel thing, you know, the more innocent you are, 440 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: the worst you are subject to getting hurt. That way, 441 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: the more trusting you are, the more you try to 442 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: do the right thing, the worst you get hurt. And 443 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: that's just that's the heart break of it. While Louis 444 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: Petter continued his methods of abuse and manipulation. The construction 445 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: of Antiwaki's Carabell campus was escalating this work. Building on 446 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: untouched Gulf wilderness proved even harder on the patients than 447 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: what was being done in Douglasville. He is a former patient, 448 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: Chris McKnight. Douglasville was very hilly and a really big campus, right, 449 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: lots of trees, so there could be a group a 450 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: hundred feet over there doing something and you couldn't even 451 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: see them. Caramell wasn't like that. You could see clear 452 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: across campus for half a mile barely obstructed. It was 453 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: kind of like laid out, sort of a circle of buildings. 454 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: Then there was an old quad building that was the 455 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: foundations for a huge tower when it was now rebased, 456 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: and they built buildings on the four foundations that held 457 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: the tower. There were small buildings, but most of the 458 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: buildings were kind of like in an outer part of 459 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: the cleared campus. So if you're working on campus and Caribell, 460 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: somebody could see if you're just sitting not working, clear 461 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: across the campus or something. So it seemed like it 462 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: was a lot more. I felt like we were always 463 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: watched more in Carabell at that time, they sent the 464 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: toughest of the students to Florida. This is Stephen, a 465 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: former patient be in Awaking. He was also a part 466 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: of one of the first work groups in Carabelle. They 467 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: formulated a group to start an entire new group in carabell. 468 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: So while I'm in the en oh, and while they're 469 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: formulating this group, there's this intimidation factor that you know 470 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: you're being hauled off to the to the roughest of 471 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: the rough, and and these guys are going to straighten 472 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: me out. For sure. South Campus was smaller than Central, 473 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: and then about a year after being there, we built 474 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: the big athletic building, which was full of school rooms 475 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: in the weight room and the training room and right 476 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: next to the football field all the students built. At 477 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: the very first campsite I went to was an island 478 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: surrounded by a lake infested by alligators and rattlesnakes and 479 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: and whatnot. But we built a barge to pull ourselves 480 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: across over to the island and we lived in tps 481 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: over there. Well, I got bent by a rattlesnake, but 482 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: I had my boots on, so I was all right. 483 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: We did have one guy that beats an alligator to 484 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: death of a baseball bat. Yeah, the alligators were kind 485 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: of a problem. Chris McKnight attended Carebelle after the new 486 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: campus had been built. He says the work would continue 487 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: almost pointlessly if there was nothing to build. It seemed 488 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: as though they ran out of stuff to do a carabell. 489 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: They purchased forty acres and we just cleared brush. This 490 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: went on for like nearly two years of just clearing 491 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: brush for no ends, just like go anywhere, find a place, 492 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: and to start clearing brush. You never hauled it away. 493 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: It was never concerted effort to clear from this section 494 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: to that section, and it got to the point they 495 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: finally led us torch it and then after that we 496 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: never had to go to the North forty again. It 497 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: was just completely useless worker project. It just seemed that 498 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: like they went out of the way to find stuff 499 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: for us to do that just never went to any means. 500 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 1: I remember once we dug a ditch from one creek 501 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: to a swampy area and they said it was drainage, 502 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: but nothing ever drained, and it was just to keep 503 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: us busy. It was just for no reason. Here's former 504 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: patient Mark Barbourn. We worked on the Florida trail. We've 505 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: done a lot of cutting down of all metados, and 506 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: we built the baseball field. I actually laid the center 507 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: blocks for the dugouts for the baseball field. There was 508 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: another guy that got bit by a rattlesnake when we 509 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: were cutting out some some trails. I think the air 510 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: lifted him to Tallahassee, and you know, he was back 511 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 1: within a couple of days. This crushing labor would also 512 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: lead to physical abuse by the hands of group leaders 513 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: and fellow patients. There were injuries. There were injuries all 514 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: the time. I was injured quite a bit, especially my 515 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: first six months, but mostly that was abuse from other kids. 516 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: I was pushed, punched, beaten up by peers quite a bit, 517 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: especially that first six six nine months, and I just 518 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: figured that just was the way it was. You know. 519 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: It was like the hierarchy of just being in a 520 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: really terrible situation, you know what I mean. I didn't 521 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: know any better, or no one told me that there 522 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: that there was another way, or that this is just 523 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: the way you're gonna expect to be beaten up or abused, 524 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it was kind of Lord of 525 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: the Flies. You just kind of figure it out where 526 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: you were just gonna be in a lot of a 527 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: lot of pain, an Awaki. There was a lot of fear, 528 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 1: fear from the staff, fear from your peers. I was 529 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: physically afraid. I mean it was I saw other kids 530 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: to be abused by their peer group, and I saw 531 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: a lot of kids being abused by group leaders, I 532 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: mean terribly. So I saw it once it turned over. 533 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: Literally it seemed over backwards. And I know from that 534 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: day on had back trouble for the rest of his life. 535 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: And yet it was being a smartass. We're having a 536 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: fire building contest and everyone had to build their own fire, 537 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: and said something to the fact that, hey, we build 538 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 1: a fire every night for for group meeting. Why don't 539 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: we just do it then in time, everyone, we're just 540 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: wasting wood here and came over and just kind of 541 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: folded him in half, kind of put his left arm 542 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: on his neck and just pushed him like over his knee, 543 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: and then he kind of just threw him up against 544 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: a tree and kind of collected himself and and said, well, 545 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: are we gonna do this fire building contest or not? 546 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: And I don't even remember crying so much. Is just 547 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: kind of like whimpering in pain and his face just 548 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: being so red. I think just I don't know. It 549 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: just affected me tremendously seeing a kid hurt like that. 550 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I had been beaten up by peer group, 551 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: and I've been beaten up by my mother, but I 552 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: had never seen another kid beaaten up by an adult. 553 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: That just scares the hell out of you. Mark Barber 554 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: recalls another incident which stuck with him over the years. 555 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: One still kind of haunts me. There was a guy, Mr. Phillips, 556 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: who was the head of security. There was a guy 557 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: in my group, our vocational group, who ran off. We 558 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 1: called him Splitters, but he was a runner. He took 559 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: off in the middle of the night. He was gone. 560 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: They caught him, and I remember going to the lodge 561 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: to eat the next morning and they had him behind 562 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: the lodge and you could see it. They were taking 563 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 1: him back there and his arm was hanging for some reason, 564 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 1: his arm didn't looked right. And I told the other 565 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,919 Speaker 1: or something. We were walking in line. I said, did 566 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: you see you know such and such as arm? He goes, yeah, 567 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: it was broken, And I said that's why it looked 568 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: the way it did. He goes, yeah, he goes as 569 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: you could tell how Mr Phillips was holding it. A 570 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: couple of days later, it's in a cast and that's 571 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: in a sling and the guy's kind of drugged up. 572 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's pain meds. I don't know 573 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: what it was. It's pretty traumatic, you know, to see 574 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: an arm going the wrong way. With all the work 575 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 1: being done in Carabell, the reasons for the build out 576 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 1: we're not always clear. One project the patients would later 577 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 1: work on was the build out of a new hotel 578 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: in marina in the heart of Carabelle. This hotel in 579 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: Marina was not a resource for in Awaki, but destined 580 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: for public use. Scott Hole is a former Inawaki patient. 581 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: He worked on helping build the marina in Carabell. And 582 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,959 Speaker 1: the kind of manual labor that we would do would 583 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: either be working on the grounds of the facility itself, 584 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: but then there were also public things that we did, 585 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: like the marina. When we were building this marina, we 586 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: actually were you know, laying the posts that build the 587 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: boat slips. Something that's like telephone pole and it's coated 588 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: with a chemical called creosote. But we would carry those 589 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,839 Speaker 1: big poles to take two of us. You know, it's 590 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,879 Speaker 1: probably eight foot long like a telephone pole, not quite 591 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: as thick though, and you know, we would have chemical 592 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: burns all over our neck and shoulders from carrying that 593 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: creosote over and putting them into the end of the water. 594 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: We take a big hose and get it down, down, down, 595 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: until it was level and that kind of thing. But 596 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 1: it was very very large marina where we were actually, 597 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 1: you know, sinking the creosote post for the boat slips 598 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: and all that kind of thing. Doing fifteen year old 599 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: kids doing this really hard manual labor building this marina 600 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 1: that I don't know who got the money from, but 601 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: it certainly wasn't us. I mean, our parents were paying 602 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: for the privilege for us to build this marina for 603 00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: these other people. Chris McKnight remembers working on the renovation 604 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: to the adjoining restaurant attached to the marina. We completely 605 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: like leveled the whole marina, rebuilt some of the buildings, 606 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: re landscaped everything. They had, bought some boats that we 607 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: never really got to use, some sailboats, and they also 608 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: bought the restaurant that was there in the marina, which 609 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: we gutted and they never really did much with it. 610 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't know who the marina was owned by beforehand. 611 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: I think they bought the marina and I want to 612 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: stay nineteen eighty and it was set dormant and they 613 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: finished out the lease with the restaurant and then they 614 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: closed the restaurant down and I don't know what their 615 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: intentions were. So I remember one of the first work 616 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: projects was scraping off the old tile in the downstairs 617 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: part of the restaurant and uh and like on the 618 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,399 Speaker 1: other side of the room, they had already ripped out 619 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 1: most of the petition walls and stuff, and it was 620 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: just kind of like one big coward's room and there 621 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: was guys in the other end rip it out in insulation. 622 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 1: And it was hot, you know, it was on the 623 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: end of May, but it was still floorida. It's hot, humid, 624 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: and you could just see particles kind of floating around. 625 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: There's like one door open and where I went in 626 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: just scraping this tile from probably like the fifties or forties. 627 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 1: Mark Barber remembers one particular incident while working on the marina. 628 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,720 Speaker 1: We were at the marina and we were bolting together 629 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of covert pipe, and that covert pipe 630 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: was covered with creosote to keep it from rusting, you know, 631 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: from the salt water. And one of the guys had 632 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 1: gotten creosote burnt really bad. It was like a third 633 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: degree sunburn on his arms and between his legs to 634 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: where we were straddling and bolting it together. I was 635 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: helping him. I got burnt a little bit, but not 636 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: bad enough to even even really mentioned, but he got 637 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: tore up pretty bad. Mark Sublett was one patient who 638 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: suffered these types of burns. We were building the athletic 639 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: building for Airbell and we were pouring the foundations for it. 640 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 1: The foundations were getting off We're supposed to pour down 641 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: to a graded steak, a grade steak. A couple of 642 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 1: us jumped in the asphalt or the concrete. I'm sorry, 643 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: and started having You have to brake it back and 644 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,439 Speaker 1: get it to the right level. That stuff burns your 645 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 1: skin real bad. And I guess I didn't know it 646 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,800 Speaker 1: or didn't feel it, but it burned about sevent the 647 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: skin off my legs, so I was laid up. They 648 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: took me out of my group. I could not go 649 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 1: anywhere my skin was gone. Had to go through a 650 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: bunch of painful stuff as you get third degree chemical burns, 651 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 1: so it could not work. So I'd hanging the clinic 652 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and that was kind of a 653 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 1: respite because you get some TV and some radio in 654 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,919 Speaker 1: the clinic, so you kind of hang out, but still 655 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,760 Speaker 1: kind of shitty because of course sitting there are burned 656 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,280 Speaker 1: legs and very painful as I'm sitting in the clinic 657 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: at the Quadrangle down in Florida, out hobbling around on crutches, 658 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 1: and apparently my parents had come down for a parent 659 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,919 Speaker 1: teacher meeting and go, hey, there's my son out there 660 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: on crutches, and so they go, oh, we forgot to 661 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: tell you your son hurt your legs. Okay, oh no, 662 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: you know what he does. Oh he's getting full on, 663 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: will take care of everything. Don't worry, He'll be just fine. 664 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: And of course to what they told him was afterward, hey, 665 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: you're not gonna have to pay us. We're gonna comp 666 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: your son to go here. I think part of the 667 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: reason they did that because at the time my father 668 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: ran to cab General Hospital from six four, so they 669 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: kind of knew that pretty big hospital, you know, the 670 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,399 Speaker 1: head administrator and all that stuff. So they sent him, 671 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: you know, the you know, you don't know any more money. 672 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: This marina and hotel would come to appreciate him value 673 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: greatly in the years ahead. Here's journalist Albert Edgin. At 674 00:44:53,560 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: that time, Florida was exploding and Caramel that area down there. 675 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: He was smart to go there, very smart, because it's 676 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,800 Speaker 1: just around the coast from Panama City. Panama City is 677 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: a place where people from Chicago go, you know, the Midwest, 678 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 1: their families in the Midwest that they don't go to Miami. 679 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: They go to Panama City, for God's sake. And so 680 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: caramells right around the curve from that. So when you 681 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 1: think about it, yeah, you can start a thing in 682 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: Carrabelle where you've got especialty is treating kids. But man, 683 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: that's a real estate bonanza. Antawaki South Campus would come 684 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: to be known as Anawaki on the Gulf, described in 685 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: local papers at the time as a private, nonprofit college 686 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,720 Speaker 1: prep school with an Awake looking to expand their program 687 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 1: into other states. It would soon set up another corporation 688 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: to handle all of its real estate endeavors. Anawaki Estates. 689 00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 1: This corporation would be run and owned by Petter's three daughters, Marcia, Rita, 690 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 1: and Dana. With the success of in Awaki on the 691 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: Gulf in a corporation to hold all of their property 692 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,400 Speaker 1: in a wake, he would soon look to international travel 693 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 1: and even a possible expansion into other countries next time 694 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: on Camp Help and Awaki, I think that he figured 695 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,879 Speaker 1: out people were onto him, and so there became a 696 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,800 Speaker 1: chosen group to accompanying them to Mexico. It was supposed 697 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: to be this big privileged trip. So the Mexico trips 698 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,839 Speaker 1: most years they took us to a house of ill 699 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 1: repew house, prostitution, whatever you wanna call it. If you 700 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,319 Speaker 1: didn't know him, you would think he had a kind 701 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 1: He would have a kind heart. They'd you want to 702 00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,800 Speaker 1: help you, and you in a weird way he would. 703 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: It was a church going guy who claimed to be. 704 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,279 Speaker 1: But they kept on telling me that I tried to 705 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 1: commit suicide and that's what had happened to me. And 706 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,680 Speaker 1: I was trying to tell another of the staff members 707 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: in E and L, No, that's not what happened to me. 708 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:25,600 Speaker 1: This happened to me. Camp Hell Anna Waki was created 709 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,880 Speaker 1: and hosted by Josh Thane with producer Miranda Hawkins and 710 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 1: executive producers Alex Williams and Matt Frederick. The soundtrack was 711 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,320 Speaker 1: written and performed by Josh Thane and Adrian Barry. Archival 712 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: footage provided by ws B and CBS News. Find us 713 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: on Instagram at camp hell pod. That's c A M 714 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: p h E L L p O D. 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