Speaker 1: Welcome to Nightcall, a production of I Heart Radio. It's
Speaker 1: nine o nine pm in the empty freezer aisle of
Speaker 1: your local Trader Joe's, and you're listening Tonight Call. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome back to night Call, a Collin show for
Speaker 1: our dystopian reality. I am Emily Oshida. I am in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and with me on the other line, literally
Speaker 1: I have Molly Lamber and test Lynn. We are literally
Speaker 1: calling in this week. Yeah it is Uh, we've gone
Speaker 1: into bunker mode real fast. Our last episode, which I
Speaker 1: listened to a couple of days ago, hasn't aged very
Speaker 1: well because we sound pretty chill. Yeah, but you were
Speaker 1: saying it wouldn't age well. You were like, I think
Speaker 1: people are being too cavalier about this and like playing apocalypse. Uh,
Speaker 1: it feels a little more real Apocalypse. About one week later, Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you guys, when was the moment
Speaker 1: that you started to kind of be hit by this reality.
Speaker 1: Um day which one Wednesday? That was the day that
Speaker 1: was Tom Hank They canceled the n B A day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would probably be my answer to Yeah, can I
Speaker 1: tell you guys that for me, the the NBA thing
Speaker 1: was that was very striking. But I I went to
Speaker 1: treat or Joe's where we are located virtually for this episode,
Speaker 1: and um, I tweeted about this, but the freezer aisles
Speaker 1: had these big, barren, empty spaces. Everybody was so panicked.
Speaker 1: And then there was a leak in the ceiling that
Speaker 1: no one could fix because everyone was so busy restocking
Speaker 1: stuff and doing checkout because of the long, long line.
Speaker 1: That was a super scary and sobering experience that I'm
Speaker 1: sure we've all now had. Yeah, I will say my my,
Speaker 1: my muse Bush for the I think this was Wednesday. Actually,
Speaker 1: I had gotten back from going to Target because I'm
Speaker 1: in the middle of moving, so I have to do
Speaker 1: all these stupid errands instead of staying at home. And uh,
Speaker 1: the Target was slightly apocalyptic, mostly empty, and I just
Speaker 1: started started to like, you know, have germ vision. I
Speaker 1: started to imagine everybody around me just like breathing out
Speaker 1: clouds of coronavirus, and I was like, oh, God, like
Speaker 1: I can't touch anybody. I have to just like spray
Speaker 1: my hand sanitizer on everything in sight. And then I
Speaker 1: came back and then the NBA news happened and Tom
Speaker 1: Hanks and everything else, and that crazy address on Trump.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, oh my god, that was. It feels like
Speaker 1: it's definitely turning everybody into Howard Hughes really fast. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it is weird because it is not a visible
Speaker 1: thing exactly. So even though it was happening in all
Speaker 1: these other countries, it like took it just wasn't until
Speaker 1: it started happening here. But people started to seek it. Seriously.
Speaker 1: It's part of always done such a bad job with it. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: also on Wednesday, part of the reason that we're all
Speaker 1: calling in today is that on Wednesday, pretty much like
Speaker 1: right when I got home from Trader Joe's, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I feel that great, and I which
Speaker 1: is not a fun feeling right now. And I don't
Speaker 1: have any of the symptoms of coronavirus. I had a
Speaker 1: slightly elevated temperature, but it was less than a hundred
Speaker 1: point four. I didn't really have a cop or a
Speaker 1: sore throat or anything. But even just stealing slightly under
Speaker 1: the weather, and again it's like, you know, it's rainy
Speaker 1: and cold here, we're all bundled up. So I think
Speaker 1: that kind of contributes to like fluctuating temperatures. But when
Speaker 1: you know how dangerous it could be if you were
Speaker 1: infected and without the ability to get a test, it
Speaker 1: just kind of makes you think, like, Okay, I should
Speaker 1: just sit in my bedroom and not move. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think the official nightcall position is, you know, just stay home,
Speaker 1: enjoying if you can, if you are able to stay home,
Speaker 1: because a lot of people are not UM, A lot
Speaker 1: of people have to be working at Trader Joe's right now. Um, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think you don't have to, right I
Speaker 1: Just as I got to the studio, I think I
Speaker 1: saw that they passed the bill about UM about assistance
Speaker 1: for economic assistance for people during coronavirle coronavirus. So hopefully
Speaker 1: that can be executed UM somewhat efficiently because a lot
Speaker 1: of people are to be really impacted by this. We
Speaker 1: are going to have a real medical expert on today
Speaker 1: later on that Emily will talk to that will answer
Speaker 1: with real scientific advice any of our questions about coronavirus.
Speaker 1: But if you want to hear from some non experts, uh,
Speaker 1: there are plenty. They're getting there. They're trying to take
Speaker 1: advantage of the situation. Could you would possibly be talking
Speaker 1: about Moon shut the Wellness Grifter are on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: our friends tweeted this. Uh, I guess it looks like
Speaker 1: it's from the moon Juice Instagram. Possibly, um, just just
Speaker 1: the moon Juice tips for how to overcome or I
Speaker 1: guess prevent coronavirus, which involves um, not not one, but
Speaker 1: two kinds of dust and something called super u so
Speaker 1: also magnesium magnesium the thing. Okay, so obviously there's a
Speaker 1: lot of like these are all like take my products
Speaker 1: and that's how you'll be fine. And then maybe one
Speaker 1: piece of real advice, which is wash yours right. Um.
Speaker 1: The thing that really pissed me off is the tense
Speaker 1: thing is not panicking. Most of us have the power
Speaker 1: to keep our immune systems strong, says But she believe
Speaker 1: is that if you don't pan it, it's like the
Speaker 1: secret like you're gonna stay well by that is that
Speaker 1: people people who get sick just don't haven't willed it
Speaker 1: away enough. Yeah, and it's not that most of us
Speaker 1: have strong immune systems, it's most of us have the
Speaker 1: power to as if you have a choice about it.
Speaker 1: It's like very it's a subtle like difference in language,
Speaker 1: but it's very insidious. I hate its Well. Yeah, one
Speaker 1: nice thing you could do during your quarantine is check
Speaker 1: out the amazing Nightcall canon yet that listener Derek made. Um.
Speaker 1: We will post a link to it on the site
Speaker 1: and some other places, But Derek made an amazing list
Speaker 1: on letterbox of every movie we've talked about on Night Call,
Speaker 1: like movies. Yeah, we we talked about a lot of movies.
Speaker 1: It turns out on this on this podcast, I almost
Speaker 1: called it a food cast. How did that happen? I
Speaker 1: think I was scrolling through this and saw something that
Speaker 1: maybe rhymed with that. Um, yeah, it's it's great though,
Speaker 1: it's got the Craft on it. It's got eyes wide
Speaker 1: shut of course. Fifth element the animal such a weird variety.
Speaker 1: I feel like the purge is really relevant viewing right now,
Speaker 1: if you dare. I don't think I'm in the mood
Speaker 1: to watch movies that are like about dystopi and scary
Speaker 1: things right now. You haven't watched Contagion like everybody else
Speaker 1: in the world. No, I mean I've seen Contagious. I'm
Speaker 1: a fan, but yeah, I think it would just make
Speaker 1: me feel more nervous right now. I just want to
Speaker 1: watch like comfort things and eat comfort food. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would like to know what what you guys are eating
Speaker 1: for your comfort food right now? What are you? I
Speaker 1: was just silling Molly on this. You're just talking about it. Uh,
Speaker 1: we're I think everybody wants to eat pasta. Yeah, pasta
Speaker 1: was gone at Trader Joe's. Oh no, I have them
Speaker 1: if you need Emily. Now that I'm no longer in
Speaker 1: my still self quarantine too, you're in my inner circle. Um.
Speaker 1: But I got at Trader Joe's. One of the things
Speaker 1: they hadn't sold out of were chocolate croissans, and I
Speaker 1: realized I was like, oh, I've never given my children
Speaker 1: chocolate croissans. Like, what a terrible mother am I? So
Speaker 1: then this morning I made chocolate croissans and I was like, children,
Speaker 1: the chocolate crispans are ready, and they like took a
Speaker 1: bite and we're kind of like, yeah, not for me.
Speaker 1: So then I sat down and eat four chocolate croissans.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yesterday I was probably the most dressed out yesterday.
Speaker 1: That's when I ate, Like I definitely just ate like
Speaker 1: a meal that was just like two to Milana cookies.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I still yeah, yeah, um, it's just
Speaker 1: chain just chain smoking them. I highly recommend, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: everything frozen was gone, but I feel like this should
Speaker 1: be obvious, but you should eat like like fresh fruits
Speaker 1: and vegetables if you can right now, and save the
Speaker 1: frozen stuff for later when things really get dicey. Like
Speaker 1: I baked sweet potatoes last night, um that I just
Speaker 1: happened to have and it was extremely comforting, just like
Speaker 1: sweet potatoes with olive oil and salt and pepperona Um,
Speaker 1: super good. That was my my comfort food. Um. We're
Speaker 1: definitely all going into a carb direction, in a bean direction,
Speaker 1: I'm pro im proban. Yeah. Well, another thing we've been
Speaker 1: hearing a lot is that if you go to the
Speaker 1: big stores, including Trader Joe's everything, it's kind of ravaged.
Speaker 1: But if you go to small stores and corner stores,
Speaker 1: they have been very well sucked. Two friends of mine
Speaker 1: today give me the hot tip that I will now
Speaker 1: share with our listenership that if you try to go
Speaker 1: to a world market right now, um, super super empty
Speaker 1: and they have lots of food there and wine, so
Speaker 1: nobody's thinking. Yeah, so I I was not a follow Max.
Speaker 1: I went to Cali Max today, uh, which has been
Speaker 1: Highland Park and very well stocked on everything check out
Speaker 1: Cali Max. All right, nice. Yeah. I heard there's an
Speaker 1: argentiney and market near Atwater that people said was like
Speaker 1: really good and very well stocked. But then I asked
Speaker 1: where it was and no one would tell me because
Speaker 1: they wanted it to remain well stocked. Um. But because
Speaker 1: she said her parents reading costa, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: are they making the Alison roman Um and Choby pasta
Speaker 1: with tomato face? As if she wouldn't know that, like
Speaker 1: as if they would have told her what kind of pasta,
Speaker 1: like you know, we're specifically making the anchovie pasta. But
Speaker 1: I was like, am I in the mood for that?
Speaker 1: Or is that just like first of all, it's all
Speaker 1: shelf stable or not all shelf stable things, but it
Speaker 1: relies heavily on can things, so we have to save
Speaker 1: that for later. But I was like, it's everyone just
Speaker 1: going to start making that pasta because it's like it
Speaker 1: looks so comforting and seeing exactly what you want if
Speaker 1: you're miserable. Yeah, and I think, uh, we're reading about
Speaker 1: Italy so much in the news. That's true just by
Speaker 1: reading the word Italy over and over and over. Well,
Speaker 1: there's that meme. There's that meme going around that was
Speaker 1: like the different Italian filmmakers and like meme coronavirus meme,
Speaker 1: and one of them is just like, okay, a real
Speaker 1: news thing where a guy was like the stores out
Speaker 1: of pasta, Like this is how you know we're in
Speaker 1: a huge crisis. Um, I want to try to explain
Speaker 1: a meme because it doesn't work. They're like any other joke. UM.
Speaker 1: So I happened to talk to a night call listener
Speaker 1: um earlier today who happens to be a public health physician.
Speaker 1: It's based in Denver's names Brian, and we had a
Speaker 1: pretty good conversation about that, you know, actually ended up
Speaker 1: being kind of relaxing to me. Um. And it was
Speaker 1: like a few notches below the the UCSF conference notes.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys saw those that went around.
Speaker 1: That wasn't that wasn't a real thing. Yeah no, I know,
Speaker 1: but that like that's like that's one of these things
Speaker 1: where you just like red and then you feel like
Speaker 1: your entire skin is on fire. Um yeah, right, well
Speaker 1: that I wanted to bunk that specifically. It was like
Speaker 1: a guy went to this conference and took notes, but
Speaker 1: he wasn't one of the scientists, and if you look
Speaker 1: him up, he's a private practice position to chart just
Speaker 1: like dollars for an appointment. I think there's also people
Speaker 1: doing sort of panic drifting right now, posting things that
Speaker 1: will get a lot of attention that are very like
Speaker 1: worst predictions. There's just a lot of misinformation floating around.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that you have a real health expert on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you take a break. Yeah, We're gonna take a quick
Speaker 1: break and then we'll come back and have my conversation
Speaker 1: with Brian. Welcome back to Nightcall. Um. It's just Emily
Speaker 1: here right now, and I am on the line right
Speaker 1: now with a Nightcall listener who also happens to be
Speaker 1: a preventive medicine and public health physician in Denver. We
Speaker 1: have Brian Early on the line. Thank you for joining us. Brian, Hi, Emily,
Speaker 1: thank you. It's great be here. So you reached out
Speaker 1: to us because last week we were kind of having
Speaker 1: our initial um pre panic session. I think I would
Speaker 1: describe it as about coronavirus or COVID nineteen and just
Speaker 1: um what we needed to do, what was overreacting versus
Speaker 1: what wasn't and I just listened to our episode a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago. It's Friday right now, and already
Speaker 1: it felt like, oh, we were way low balling this.
Speaker 1: We were kind of just like it's fine. Uh, you
Speaker 1: know that that feels like overreaction or it's like we
Speaker 1: don't want to go into prepper mode here. But now
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody, at least in Los Angeles and um,
Speaker 1: most of the United States is fully in prepper mode. Um.
Speaker 1: But is that much happened every every day the situation changes? Um?
Speaker 1: Is that kind of how you've experienced in Denver as well? Absolutely? Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Denver wasn't one of the first cities to
Speaker 1: experience coronavirus cases like scattle in parts of California. You were.
Speaker 1: But as our case count is increased, um, the amount
Speaker 1: of concern has increased as well. So there's kind of
Speaker 1: general what to do type thing right now that feels
Speaker 1: very kind of It feels almost like like folk medicine
Speaker 1: or something like I'm not really sure, Like I am
Speaker 1: wiping down everything I can with lysol and uh, sanitizing
Speaker 1: my hands and washing my hands all the time, but
Speaker 1: it's just like, but what about everything else that my
Speaker 1: body comes in contact with, Like, how how much is
Speaker 1: all this stuff, all these kind of basic preventative measures
Speaker 1: that we've been told through not even official health outlets,
Speaker 1: just like blogs. How much is this really helping the
Speaker 1: stop of the virus? And is there anything that we're
Speaker 1: missing right now? Well, I think the most important thing
Speaker 1: to emphasize is that the most impactful things that people
Speaker 1: can do happen on a larger scale. Will we call
Speaker 1: social distancing, avoiding crowds, avoiding being exposed to people with
Speaker 1: the virus if possible, and really we consider sort of
Speaker 1: personal actions like hand washing, masks, personal protects, equipment. It's
Speaker 1: sort of the last line of protection against the virus. Really,
Speaker 1: you'd rather not be in the same room with someone
Speaker 1: with the virus um or a large crowd of people
Speaker 1: who might have the virus. And only if you really
Speaker 1: have to be do you want to do be doing
Speaker 1: things like make sure you doing handwashing, cleaning surfaces, avoiding
Speaker 1: touching your face and all that. Yeah, it's it's been
Speaker 1: really hard to not touch my face. I've realized how
Speaker 1: to depend depending I am on touching my face as
Speaker 1: a glasses where especially and I'm adjusting my glasses right
Speaker 1: now as I say this, Um yeah, um yeah, there
Speaker 1: was also this panic ground masks to um, you know,
Speaker 1: people buying them up and then also you know, being
Speaker 1: shamed for wearing them in the first place. What's the
Speaker 1: truth about masks right now? Should I have a mask?
Speaker 1: Masks and toilet papers seemed to be people's most the
Speaker 1: most important thing people are doing after Um, So, so
Speaker 1: masks work, okay, A well fitting uh you know, hostible
Speaker 1: grade and N masks works better than a sort of
Speaker 1: normal surgical mask. Um, but it works better only if
Speaker 1: it's been sort of sitted and gits your face. Well,
Speaker 1: but again we're talking about the last line. Like you're
Speaker 1: in the room with someone who's shedding the virus, is
Speaker 1: coughing or sneezing or whatever, then the mask is sort
Speaker 1: of your last line there. Um. Really, it's you don't
Speaker 1: want to be in a situation where you're having to
Speaker 1: rely on it. It's it's at all possible. What is
Speaker 1: the one kind of thing that you feel like is
Speaker 1: being poorly communicated right now? Or like, what do you
Speaker 1: I mean, there's many things that I feel like are
Speaker 1: being poorly communicated, But as an expert, what has been
Speaker 1: most frustrating for you to watch about these past couple
Speaker 1: of weeks as this is unfolded in the US. Well,
Speaker 1: I think, really something that's only coming to the public
Speaker 1: consciousness very recently, but has been sort of in the
Speaker 1: public health community for more than a decade is this
Speaker 1: idea that controlling spread of the virus UM. It's really
Speaker 1: about sort of slowing spread of the virus UM. There's
Speaker 1: been this intrographic going around. I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: seen it. It's UM comes the tagline flat in the curve.
Speaker 1: The idea is that UM. You know, what we see
Speaker 1: going on in Italy, where they're especially a hard hit,
Speaker 1: is that the hospitals and health systems are overwhelmed. UM.
Speaker 1: There's more people than there are bets uh, and there's
Speaker 1: more people needing intensive care than there are ventilators, and
Speaker 1: people like just delivered that care. UM. And as a
Speaker 1: consequence of the virus spreading very quickly through a large population. UM.
Speaker 1: And if you spread that out, say have people instead
Speaker 1: of getting all getting sick within a two week period
Speaker 1: in the community, UM, people getting exposed slowly over several months,
Speaker 1: many people not getting exposed, then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: health systems can operate normally, and not just people with
Speaker 1: the virus, but people with other conditions that bring them
Speaker 1: to the hospital. If you're having a heart attack, you
Speaker 1: need here appendix out. Uh, they can receive high quality
Speaker 1: care as well. Yeah, yeah, it's just this. I think
Speaker 1: all of this just requires this sort of macro thinking
Speaker 1: that not just as Americans but also like as human
Speaker 1: beings were like not trained for at all. Is that
Speaker 1: kind of that feels like it must be a constant
Speaker 1: problem with what you do. It is. I think people
Speaker 1: like to have feel like they have, you know, control
Speaker 1: over what happens with themselves and what happens with their health.
Speaker 1: But a lot of the most impactful conditions and decisions
Speaker 1: that are made around this virus are made at a
Speaker 1: very high level. UM. You know, workplaces, a lot of
Speaker 1: people that work from home. People canceling conferences, canceling travel. Um.
Speaker 1: And this virus happens and it spread the way it
Speaker 1: does because we live in a globally connected society. UM,
Speaker 1: and so the solutions have to be so equal macro scale. Um.
Speaker 1: Did you read that report that came out? I think
Speaker 1: yesterday it started to go around from UCSF. UM, I
Speaker 1: should bring it up. I should have had it up
Speaker 1: to begin with. Do you know what I'm talking about though?
Speaker 1: Um this? Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, very Uh. I think
Speaker 1: a little bit disputed about whether those are you know,
Speaker 1: accurate notes. Um. But the CDC did come out with
Speaker 1: sort of a worst case scenario report. Uh say, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't do anything. We like two million people to
Speaker 1: become effect you to the virus over a course of time, um,
Speaker 1: and many many of them will be asymptomatic, and some
Speaker 1: of them will require really um significant healthcare. Um. And
Speaker 1: it's just you know, can we bring that number down
Speaker 1: and can we do it in a way that allows
Speaker 1: these people to get high quality care? So you said
Speaker 1: that it was kind of you felt that it was
Speaker 1: a little bit disputable whether these were accurate notes or
Speaker 1: do do you think that what was in the report
Speaker 1: because I mean a lot of you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: a pretty bleak report, and the main takeaway seems to
Speaker 1: be like, uh, this is going to change our country forever,
Speaker 1: and this is going to be something we're going to
Speaker 1: be living with for at least another year. UM. That's
Speaker 1: sort of the broad takeaway. Do you think that that's
Speaker 1: do you think that's accurate or is it more kind
Speaker 1: of the specifics on it that um that you kind
Speaker 1: of feel like you're disputable. You know. I think that
Speaker 1: there's definitely communities that we're having spread UM in King
Speaker 1: County and Washington and in New York where there is
Speaker 1: community spread and they're going to be impacted to a
Speaker 1: large attent, and likely this will sort of moved to
Speaker 1: other communities in the US. UM. I don't have imagic
Speaker 1: ball that I can tell you. You know, next week
Speaker 1: will be in Austin, and then it will be in
Speaker 1: UM somewhere in Michigan. But UM, it's likely that this virus,
Speaker 1: given the way it's spread around the world, is going
Speaker 1: to affect many different communities in the United States for
Speaker 1: a long time to come. Yeah. I don't know. We're
Speaker 1: l a Is still. I think they had the first
Speaker 1: death here maybe earlier this week. I was going to
Speaker 1: say a couple of weeks ago, because it feels like
Speaker 1: it must have been two weeks ago, but it was
Speaker 1: probably two days ago. That's how the squeech. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I feel like right now everybody is sort of
Speaker 1: battening down the hatches. Went to a very chaotic trader
Speaker 1: Joe's yesterday to try to buy all my supplies. Um
Speaker 1: are bad on a good day, Yeah, especially the one
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. It's a yeah, a lot of Instagram influencers.
Speaker 1: I have a very specific question because I put a
Speaker 1: pull out on this on my on my Twitter, and
Speaker 1: I won't tell you what I eventually decided to do.
Speaker 1: But I had made a hair cut appointment, um earlier
Speaker 1: this week, when it still felt like something that maybe
Speaker 1: wasn't crazy to do, and then today I kind of thought, um, oh,
Speaker 1: should I actually be doing this or not? But this
Speaker 1: is also in the same week whereas I said, I
Speaker 1: went to a trader Joe's, I went to I'm in
Speaker 1: the middle of moving, so I went to like a
Speaker 1: Target and I've made two bed bath and beyond trips
Speaker 1: uh and um yeah. And so it felt like of
Speaker 1: all these places like weirdly, I was like a salon
Speaker 1: felt kind of harmless by comparison, But I wasn't sure
Speaker 1: whether or not I should have gone. Um, I'm just
Speaker 1: asking out of This is no longer for the public service.
Speaker 1: This is just for me personally, well your opinion with
Speaker 1: well for a few and anywhere else. Considering going to
Speaker 1: a salon. Um, you know, the risk is the number
Speaker 1: of different people you're exposed to and sort of the
Speaker 1: context you're exposed to. In a salon, it's um, you know,
Speaker 1: probably you and your stylists, and um, you know it's
Speaker 1: doing they're using relatively hygienic practices. I think that you're
Speaker 1: mostly gonna be exposed to uh, you know, contact with
Speaker 1: one person for an extended period of time. Um, Whereas
Speaker 1: I think you know a place like uh crazy train,
Speaker 1: your shows, you're gonna be omping into, you know, a
Speaker 1: couple of dozen people, target, You're gonna be running into
Speaker 1: a lot of people. So just it. Um, I think
Speaker 1: I don't know what you showed, but I would feel
Speaker 1: like this slan is probably the lowest risk of all
Speaker 1: those at Okay, this is making me feel better because
Speaker 1: I went to the salon. I decided to go. Umlth
Speaker 1: care is important. I mean, it's nice, like and I
Speaker 1: ended up just talking to my stylist who's Korean and
Speaker 1: has family in Korea, so of course she had like
Speaker 1: a whole different experience of all of this, and um
Speaker 1: so in a weird way. After after you know, just
Speaker 1: a couple of days of social distancing, it was sort
Speaker 1: of nice to just like talk to somebody in person. UM. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And speaking of Korea has actually had UM really kind
Speaker 1: of a very robust and kind of a model response
Speaker 1: to this virus. UM. You know, they they experienced it early,
Speaker 1: but they have UM closed down schools, a lot of
Speaker 1: people work from home, limited the sort of social context
Speaker 1: people have, and they seem to be doing very very
Speaker 1: well with it. UM. Looking at this is sort of
Speaker 1: various trackers, UM, And I think what else did your
Speaker 1: your stylists say? UM, just that that her dad was fine,
Speaker 1: but she's calling all the time, and she doesn't know
Speaker 1: when she's going to get to visit next, all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I mean, I have a relative in Japan, which, weirdly,
Speaker 1: given their their geographical closeness, it's a very different situation
Speaker 1: because they're not doing the testing. They're like they are
Speaker 1: in Korea and in UM in China, UM kind of
Speaker 1: in a similar way. And I feel like it's kind
Speaker 1: of linked to the Olympics heavily, Like they kind of
Speaker 1: like like high numbers are bad for ABE, so they
Speaker 1: don't want the high numbers. And it's just a very
Speaker 1: it's it's sort of a mirror of here, which is
Speaker 1: funny because you know, I think otherwise, I think that
Speaker 1: Japan is pretty well equipped to to attack something like this.
Speaker 1: But just like it starts with that testing thing, I guess,
Speaker 1: like just whether or not you're willing to address the
Speaker 1: problem and like actually get try to get an accurate
Speaker 1: picture of what you're dealing with. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: not testing is one way, you know, you can sort
Speaker 1: of bury your head in the sand. Um, But if
Speaker 1: you're even without doing really bigger testing, only testing the
Speaker 1: very ill, you can still put in very effected public
Speaker 1: health measures. Um, you know you don't need to test
Speaker 1: everyone to know that you shouldn't you know that the
Speaker 1: end days to cancel, the season, that concerts need to cancel,
Speaker 1: the help in the Southwest needs to cancel. Uh, No
Speaker 1: number of posit tests is going to tell you what
Speaker 1: to do in those situations. But um, sort of understanding
Speaker 1: the exchange of other countries and sound public health practice
Speaker 1: will and formed those decisions. So yeah, I mean, as
Speaker 1: somebody who bought Coachella tickets and like a fit of like,
Speaker 1: oh are we going to war with or on Mania
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the I was a long time
Speaker 1: ago it was a while ago. A lot of stuff
Speaker 1: has happened. UM. I was still relieved that they canceled Coachella. UM.
Speaker 1: At the same time, like, you know, New York, I
Speaker 1: think put a ban on events of more than what
Speaker 1: did they say, They said five hundred people in New York.
Speaker 1: I think it's two hundred and fifty people in Seattle.
Speaker 1: These all feel like completely arbitrary numbers, Like shouldn't you
Speaker 1: just not have an event at all? Like even a
Speaker 1: house party you probably shouldn't have. I don't know, it
Speaker 1: is a little bit arbitrary, And I think part of
Speaker 1: the two is yet a larger event and then uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you're each person is there's the risk that
Speaker 1: they're sort of shedding virus, they're coughing or spreading the
Speaker 1: virus around. UM. And with sid fin people, that's a
Speaker 1: lot of risk. With you know, a smaller gathering, it's
Speaker 1: a little bit less risk. UM. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any any magic heat of those numbers. I think it's
Speaker 1: you know, partly what's practical polically and socially. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you still, I guess like that kind of leaves most
Speaker 1: workplaces in so if you have a necessary job, like
Speaker 1: say at hospital or grocery store, um, which I guess,
Speaker 1: or like, yeah, what else needs to stay open? What
Speaker 1: else do we really really need to stay open right now?
Speaker 1: We're doing in healthcare? We'll work work our way at
Speaker 1: Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Yeah seriously, Well okay, so speaking
Speaker 1: of Baslow's hierarchy of needs, I had no idea how
Speaker 1: low down on the pyramid a thermometer. Was like, I
Speaker 1: need a thermometer so badly right now, and I can't
Speaker 1: find one to save my life. Where can I get
Speaker 1: a thermometer? So I think that's that Maybe rage is
Speaker 1: a larger point about um, you know what to do
Speaker 1: if you feel like you may be getting sick, and
Speaker 1: if you are worried about having symptoms. Really, any respiratory
Speaker 1: virus right now is kind of a concern, and you
Speaker 1: don't need a thermometer tell you how sick you feel, um,
Speaker 1: and if you're um, and you know if some people
Speaker 1: are coming in the hospital. I think at quarter people
Speaker 1: in China came to the hospital without a fever and
Speaker 1: then developed a fever while they are there. So I
Speaker 1: really wouldn't would advise using the thermometer as like your
Speaker 1: only decision point about whether you're sticking up to see
Speaker 1: care whether you can just sort of hanging at home
Speaker 1: with some tama flu um. It's uh, it's only one
Speaker 1: component of UM outside of an overall vase picture. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I gotta get some tama flu. I need, I need
Speaker 1: a stockpile of tama flu. Yeah, And I actually I
Speaker 1: regret saying that because tama flu is the only effective
Speaker 1: in the flu, not against the coronavirus. Uh, prevace covers
Speaker 1: and niccols and day quill. They're using like a like
Speaker 1: a like there's three different meds that they're giving people, right,
Speaker 1: there's like a isn't there an HIV med as well
Speaker 1: that they're giving people just for like the immune system
Speaker 1: stuff or UM? Or is that you actually experimental? You
Speaker 1: think it's a few experimental virul medications UM. China actually
Speaker 1: has a slightly different practice of medicine than the US,
Speaker 1: and they give a lot of UM actually a unit
Speaker 1: suppressing steroids UM. Feeling like the a lot of the
Speaker 1: damage caused by the virus is actually your ownmmune system
Speaker 1: overreacting to it. M and the US it's less to practice.
Speaker 1: Although doctors are people too, and if someone's really doing badly.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised if they tried it UM,
Speaker 1: whether or not there's any evidence for it. UM. But
Speaker 1: then there are also some anti viral medications that are
Speaker 1: under investigation seem to help and attest to might help,
Speaker 1: might not in people, but are more and more available
Speaker 1: for for hospitals to give a shot. UM. Well, I
Speaker 1: really appreciate all of your your insight on this. I
Speaker 1: feel calmer, weirdly, just like talking to somebody who knows something. UM.
Speaker 1: I guess this is just becomes just an emotional thing.
Speaker 1: I guess for a lot of people, especially when you're
Speaker 1: talking about social distancing and really changing, um, changing your
Speaker 1: lifestyle and and you know, I think I was talking
Speaker 1: to testing Molly about this in our group chat. I
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, we've had bummer public events
Speaker 1: in the past. I can think of one in sixteen,
Speaker 1: and this almost feels worse in some ways because you
Speaker 1: can't just like go to a bar and cry about
Speaker 1: it with your friends, like you can't. You have to
Speaker 1: just stay at home. And it's like, do you have
Speaker 1: any I don't know, do you have any like kind
Speaker 1: of general advice for people just to like keep from
Speaker 1: going crazy while you're just staying at home and not
Speaker 1: without the comfort of friends or loved ones. Well, the
Speaker 1: world of podcast is always growing and explore that and
Speaker 1: pretty friends. Um, you know, I think maybe the the
Speaker 1: biggest message I'd want people to take away from this
Speaker 1: is that, um, you know, I think, uh, if you
Speaker 1: are privileged enough to have a job that allows you
Speaker 1: to stay home, that um, you have the support where
Speaker 1: you're staying home as possible, um to be you consider
Speaker 1: it and thoughtful and see and think about people who
Speaker 1: you know, working super more markets, working factories, working jobs,
Speaker 1: or they can't stay home and they can't be isolate
Speaker 1: like a lot of health comissions. This is going to
Speaker 1: affect the most vulnerable more than it's going to affect
Speaker 1: people with more privilege. Um. And I think while we
Speaker 1: have a responsibility to take care of ourselves, um, both
Speaker 1: from an individual and public health perspective, it's also important
Speaker 1: that we are looking after each other. What do you
Speaker 1: think is the most useful thing that an average person
Speaker 1: can do right now to help those more vulnerable vulnerable populations. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's supporting policies like the ones that just
Speaker 1: that are hopefully passing through Congress now providing leaves and
Speaker 1: relief for people who won't be able to worker. Should
Speaker 1: stay home because you're sick. And then a lot of
Speaker 1: this can be happen locally, whether if there's someone who's
Speaker 1: vulnerable in your neighborhood or in your building that UM
Speaker 1: is older, has other health conditions and really needs to
Speaker 1: avoid exposure to virus. Offered to do their shopping from
Speaker 1: for them, to help them get some things. UM, help
Speaker 1: your help your older neighbors, use UH telemedicine so they
Speaker 1: can see their doctor if they're they're not feeling well.
Speaker 1: We don't have to go into a clinic. UM. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of small things that can be done in
Speaker 1: the individual scale that can be very impactful, both for
Speaker 1: you and people who are especially at risk. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, UM, this has been really really great. I'm
Speaker 1: so glad that you reached out to us. I'm so
Speaker 1: glad we could have this conversation. UM. Yeah, and thank
Speaker 1: you for being a Night Called listener as well. Well.
Speaker 1: Thank you for putting out a great podcast. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And UM, have you thought any time? All right? Thanks
Speaker 1: so much. Welcome back to Nightcall. Where it's often easy
Speaker 1: to forget, but it's still ring break months. We're going
Speaker 1: to take a message real quick, a night call from
Speaker 1: a listener. Hi, call, I don't want to tell you
Speaker 1: about my spring break and to Antarctica where he and
Speaker 1: four other lady friends the polar punch cool. Um fun.
Speaker 1: I don't think that she meant that as a pun,
Speaker 1: but she did say cool after she said she took.
Speaker 1: Have you guys ever thought about taking the polar punch? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would do it. I I think I went polar
Speaker 1: bearing in Washington, which is just like swimming when it's
Speaker 1: freezing out. Um, when I was a kid and and
Speaker 1: girl scout camp. Maybe, um, I don't know. Maybe this
Speaker 1: is like a Google thing we've taken, the polar plunge
Speaker 1: that we spot. Yes, I do like, but that's so
Speaker 1: like that's such a contained thing, like you can do,
Speaker 1: but it's still getting in an ice cold tub of
Speaker 1: water and like trying to stop from screaming. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it feels amazing. It's just like you want
Speaker 1: to be able to get out as soon as you
Speaker 1: need to. That's the only thing. Like, I hate the
Speaker 1: idea of bobbing around and like freezing cold water and
Speaker 1: be like, okay, okay, I'm done. I love going back
Speaker 1: and forth between like a pool and a jacuz. I
Speaker 1: think it's good for you. Um I once. The thing
Speaker 1: that concerns me about it is that I was once
Speaker 1: swimming on Fire Island on fourth of July, so in
Speaker 1: the middle of summer, but it was still pretty the
Speaker 1: water was still pretty cold, and I went out like
Speaker 1: past the breakers, and then I started to like be
Speaker 1: so cold that like my limbs weren't working, and I
Speaker 1: was trying to swim back to shore. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can do this right now.
Speaker 1: Um So that's my only nervousness about the whole polar
Speaker 1: bearing thing is is bodily failure. But other than that, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: right now, maybe isn't the time that I'm the most
Speaker 1: like take fun gambles with your help. Yeah, But but
Speaker 1: doing the polar plunge for spring break, though, does feel
Speaker 1: a little like, yeah, like kind of what we wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about today, which is more like kind of
Speaker 1: rights of spring, like weird midsummery type like maybe not
Speaker 1: even fun necessarily, but just sort of like um quasi
Speaker 1: spiritual tricks to do uh when the weather turns. Um, well,
Speaker 1: I will say I will say briefly that I did.
Speaker 1: My only spring break that I did was to Montreal
Speaker 1: with some just random friends of mine. We just were like,
Speaker 1: let's do something. Let's go to Montreal. None of us
Speaker 1: has ever been there and we can drive there, um.
Speaker 1: And it was so fun on but it was like
Speaker 1: like a wintry spring break. There was like a winter
Speaker 1: festival going on with like a snow slide and ice
Speaker 1: sculpture um, and it was freezing. It was like the
Speaker 1: wholest I've ever been. Were walking around, well we were
Speaker 1: walking around. We were like, there's nobody out. Why is
Speaker 1: there nobody out anywhere? But there are people in places.
Speaker 1: And then like after we'd left and got home, we
Speaker 1: found out that because there were underground tunnels everywhere and
Speaker 1: that's how everybody else is getting around. But we didn't know.
Speaker 1: So we were just like hold idiots going to the
Speaker 1: Vegetarian Sandwich placed run by god Scaby Black Emperor. This
Speaker 1: is great. Oh my god, it was the best. I
Speaker 1: love Montreal. I've been there, um yeah, I've only been
Speaker 1: that once. But it was like a very fun time
Speaker 1: and like just a random group of friends, but like
Speaker 1: we all totally were like, I'm we all did this together.
Speaker 1: You know, we're like the last four single people or something.
Speaker 1: They're like this, this was good. Went to a strip club, um,
Speaker 1: and I was wearing this hat. Yeah. Well the strip
Speaker 1: clubs in in Montreal or like famous for you can
Speaker 1: you can like cut strippers. But we were just like,
Speaker 1: let's go see the red light district. Um, and I
Speaker 1: was wearing like a hat that was a dinosaur hat
Speaker 1: but I used to wear all the time. And one
Speaker 1: of the strippers like saw it and like started laughing.
Speaker 1: Broke broke character of the laugh dance she was giving
Speaker 1: you or to someone else. She was give laugh dance
Speaker 1: to somebody else. She saw me and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: look at your hat. Very legendary hat. Yeah. It was
Speaker 1: a great hat and a great a great spring break. Um.
Speaker 1: Did you guys watch The Right of Spring? The Stravinsky
Speaker 1: piece that is a Nijinsky ballet that we talked about
Speaker 1: the Yeah I am, I'm aware of it. Yeah I watched. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched like two different performances of it. Um. It
Speaker 1: was also like an interesting thing to watch when you're
Speaker 1: already in a weird mood. Um, it is crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can you describe that? Um, it's basically Midsummer but a ballet.
Speaker 1: It's like a ballet about a pagan sacrifice in ancient Russia. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it inspired a riot when it was first shown
Speaker 1: because it was so modern and dissonant, like invented sort
Speaker 1: of dissonant avant garde classical music. And it's still really
Speaker 1: weird when you watch it. It's like one of these
Speaker 1: things that makes me think that like experimentalism and general
Speaker 1: craziness and out their nous is not a straight line,
Speaker 1: Like there was a time when people were um, way
Speaker 1: more out there than they are now. Like what counts
Speaker 1: his experimenting this stuff? Yeah? Yeah, and his history is
Speaker 1: obviously not moving forward in like a traditional right now,
Speaker 1: So that's interesting to think about. Yeah, what was transgressive
Speaker 1: in the past. So this guy Nicholas Rourick, who was
Speaker 1: involved with the Right of Spring but I've never heard of.
Speaker 1: Turns out he was like this total proto New Age
Speaker 1: guy who was very influential on people. The painter, he
Speaker 1: designed the costumes. Um, but he also was into like
Speaker 1: gurus and the sort of stuff, all the stuff that
Speaker 1: we talked about on the show New age stuff UM
Speaker 1: and Russian symbolism, which is also what this ballet feels
Speaker 1: like it's going for. Um. You linked here to the
Speaker 1: circle dance, which is like a thing that exists in
Speaker 1: like versions of it exists in a lot of different cultures,
Speaker 1: like and that's the thing that's in midsummer as well,
Speaker 1: like the thing where they just like run around in
Speaker 1: circles and the last person standing is the may queen UM.
Speaker 1: But this also reminded me of there's like a really
Speaker 1: great book that I would highly recommend UM by Barbara
Speaker 1: aren Reich UM called Dancing in the Streets that's about
Speaker 1: it's like a history of UM public dance and rituals
Speaker 1: and just like public celebration and music basically, and how
Speaker 1: many of these did center around UM women and also
Speaker 1: satan um like a lot like like culturally like everything
Speaker 1: kind of ad or nine or like not just satan
Speaker 1: but like I mean, like whatever the chaotic um spiritual
Speaker 1: um emblem of the culture is is kind of represented
Speaker 1: through this stuff. And you know, sometimes it's a springtime
Speaker 1: ritual but something like it's they're all often harvest rituals too,
Speaker 1: UM that are just sort of like the ladies are
Speaker 1: all gonna go dance and do chaos and uh and
Speaker 1: then the cycle will continue anew um, which you know,
Speaker 1: and she she kind of builds this case that it's
Speaker 1: been like a really really important part of society for
Speaker 1: a long time. I made a list of a few
Speaker 1: of them. Uh, I was just looking for spring holidays
Speaker 1: to talk about um, And probably the best one is
Speaker 1: Baba Marta Day in Bulgaria, which is a day where
Speaker 1: the description said you have to wear a red and
Speaker 1: white yarn bracelet until you see a stork. Sure. Baba
Speaker 1: Marta is Grandma March and she is believed to be
Speaker 1: a feisty lady who is always grudging her two brothers
Speaker 1: January and February, while the sun only comes out when
Speaker 1: she smiles. On these holidays, ritual acts are performed which
Speaker 1: are believed to mellow her temper. Participants in the holidays
Speaker 1: are women, girls, and children. It is believed she is
Speaker 1: not fond of older women and they should not, under
Speaker 1: any circumstances, cause her anger. So yeah, it turns out
Speaker 1: there's a lot of holidays from around this time that
Speaker 1: involves like like killing an old woman who represents winter um.
Speaker 1: Because there was another one called Marzanna, where you make
Speaker 1: little dolls that represent Marzanna, the Winter the Lady, and
Speaker 1: then you drown them in effigy. Sure um, and I
Speaker 1: guess I'm these are a lot of these respontic holidays too.
Speaker 1: And there's one called Butter Lady Muslin sita Um, where
Speaker 1: you burn another Winter Lady doll and then everybody eats
Speaker 1: butter and pancakes for the last time before Lent. I
Speaker 1: love I love spring butter, eating all that mrty Cross stuff.
Speaker 1: That's a great like spring tradition, eating a bunch of butter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, do you guys have any other like weird
Speaker 1: spring traditions? Personally? Do you do spring cleaning? Oh? I
Speaker 1: love spring cleaning. I do major spring cleaning, and then
Speaker 1: I try and do spring gardening is my favorite way
Speaker 1: to chill. And I'll have plenty of time for that,
Speaker 1: being as I am now only living in my house
Speaker 1: and correctly outside a lot of strawberry planting. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: like planting stuff feels good. I have never really had
Speaker 1: a yard where I can truly plant things, but I've
Speaker 1: always been into just like flower people like you have
Speaker 1: the cherry blossom veering on here. Yeah, I like just
Speaker 1: doing a casual version of that. And I have to
Speaker 1: say that I only really started to appreciate that when
Speaker 1: I lived in New York, because you don't have flowers
Speaker 1: for so long, and when the flowers start to show up,
Speaker 1: it feels like getting like taking a shower, it feels
Speaker 1: like just getting cleansed spar actually to see all the
Speaker 1: cherry blossoms and dogwoods and stuff like that. Um, So
Speaker 1: I really had an appreciation for that um out there,
Speaker 1: and like as soon as the trees started blooming, I mean,
Speaker 1: it would just be like all over my Instagram, just
Speaker 1: like flowers. Um yeah, I think I think I like
Speaker 1: all of the the nature viewing things. I like the
Speaker 1: idea of moon viewing, like autumnly viewing obviously. Um just
Speaker 1: anything that you can do for free. That's like just
Speaker 1: taking a walk and observing things. If I'm not to
Speaker 1: be the most relaxing thing in the world. Oh you
Speaker 1: know what's great for spring is I've recently become really
Speaker 1: obsessed with bulbs because I just love the idea that
Speaker 1: you can like PLoP something in the ground it won't
Speaker 1: come up for such a long time and then it
Speaker 1: just comes up every year. But it's like otherwise completely concealed,
Speaker 1: um and the other. A few years ago, I had
Speaker 1: an old hyha since that was like it was like
Speaker 1: a Mother's day high sinse or something that my husband
Speaker 1: got me, and I saved the bulb and just kind
Speaker 1: of like randomly plopped it in. And then now every
Speaker 1: time I get a ball, I'll just put it in
Speaker 1: the backyard. And some of them don't come up for years,
Speaker 1: and then randomly you're like, WHOA, there you are. I
Speaker 1: think that's fun. Yeah, surprise friend. Yeah. Um well. I
Speaker 1: one thing that I think that and maybe I'm wrong
Speaker 1: about this, but I feel like it's totally fair game still,
Speaker 1: even in these days of so s distancing, is that
Speaker 1: you can walk outside, like maybe don't like walk outside
Speaker 1: and a crowd or something, but like you can go
Speaker 1: for a hike that seems super safe. Like you can
Speaker 1: be out outdoors, go for a run or something. Um,
Speaker 1: if the weather is good where you are, which is
Speaker 1: not where we are right now, UM, I would I
Speaker 1: would take advantage of that because that feels like a
Speaker 1: good way to kind of um beat the blues if
Speaker 1: you have to stay indoors and if you're too afraid
Speaker 1: to actually go outdoors, but you want to stimulate being outdoors.
Speaker 1: As always, I recommend the explore dot org animal cams,
Speaker 1: which have live streams of animals in various natural settings,
Speaker 1: like bears in Alaska fishing for salmon us to be
Speaker 1: the most common thing. I love those. There's that. I
Speaker 1: also just like, now, I'm like, these animals don't know
Speaker 1: about coronafirus. Every other let their dogs outside, um, like
Speaker 1: my apartment right now, and I'm just like, oh, dogs,
Speaker 1: they have no idea. There's one there's one on explored
Speaker 1: or that's a puppy welping room, which I guess it's
Speaker 1: like when they're little, and it's just like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: just watched it a little bit. It was just all
Speaker 1: these puppies, like you know, nursing on their mom and
Speaker 1: sleeping and then like twitching in their sleep a little bit.
Speaker 1: It was very cute. Oh my god, I'll send it
Speaker 1: because that's another good spring tradition, baby animals, puppies. That's true,
Speaker 1: that's the best part of spring. Yeah. Reburnings, which we'll
Speaker 1: get into more next month. Actually yeah yeah, um well
Speaker 1: we will. Yeah, we'll be back to bloom like a flower. Yeah. Again,
Speaker 1: we've got one more spring Break week next week, and
Speaker 1: it's going to be a good one. Um. When there
Speaker 1: we are in person, are all in our private bunkers.
Speaker 1: By then it's going to be a good show. So
Speaker 1: please don't miss it, um, And if you have any
Speaker 1: more spring break stories or coronavirus stories or anything, give
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