WEBVTT - 102: The Fright Of Spring 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:12.680 Welcome to Nightcall, a production of I Heart Radio. It's 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.520 nine o nine pm in the empty freezer aisle of 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:44.560 your local Trader Joe's, and you're listening Tonight Call. Hello, 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.600 and welcome back to night Call, a Collin show for 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:52.360 our dystopian reality. I am Emily Oshida. I am in 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:56.680 Los Angeles, and with me on the other line, literally 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:03.080 I have Molly Lamber and test Lynn. We are literally 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.920 calling in this week. Yeah it is Uh, we've gone 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.520 into bunker mode real fast. Our last episode, which I 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:14.040 listened to a couple of days ago, hasn't aged very 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:19.520 well because we sound pretty chill. Yeah, but you were 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.800 saying it wouldn't age well. You were like, I think 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:27.360 people are being too cavalier about this and like playing apocalypse. Uh, 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:32.959 it feels a little more real Apocalypse. About one week later, Yeah, well, 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.840 I wanted to ask you guys, when was the moment 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:41.959 that you started to kind of be hit by this reality. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:48.440 Um day which one Wednesday? That was the day that 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:52.200 was Tom Hank They canceled the n B A day. Yeah, 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.560 that would probably be my answer to Yeah, can I 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.400 tell you guys that for me, the the NBA thing 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:03.200 was that was very striking. But I I went to 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:07.520 treat or Joe's where we are located virtually for this episode, 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.680 and um, I tweeted about this, but the freezer aisles 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:17.240 had these big, barren, empty spaces. Everybody was so panicked. 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.960 And then there was a leak in the ceiling that 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:24.080 no one could fix because everyone was so busy restocking 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.440 stuff and doing checkout because of the long, long line. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:32.280 That was a super scary and sobering experience that I'm 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:36.280 sure we've all now had. Yeah, I will say my my, 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.960 my muse Bush for the I think this was Wednesday. Actually, 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.839 I had gotten back from going to Target because I'm 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:44.520 in the middle of moving, so I have to do 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:49.200 all these stupid errands instead of staying at home. And uh, 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:54.960 the Target was slightly apocalyptic, mostly empty, and I just 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:58.640 started started to like, you know, have germ vision. I 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.359 started to imagine everybody around me just like breathing out 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.400 clouds of coronavirus, and I was like, oh, God, like 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.600 I can't touch anybody. I have to just like spray 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.800 my hand sanitizer on everything in sight. And then I 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.480 came back and then the NBA news happened and Tom 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.960 Hanks and everything else, and that crazy address on Trump. 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:22.320 Uh yeah, oh my god, that was. It feels like 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:29.320 it's definitely turning everybody into Howard Hughes really fast. Yes, yeah, 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.760 but it is weird because it is not a visible 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:37.440 thing exactly. So even though it was happening in all 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:41.400 these other countries, it like took it just wasn't until 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.240 it started happening here. But people started to seek it. Seriously. 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.880 It's part of always done such a bad job with it. Yeah. Well, 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.040 also on Wednesday, part of the reason that we're all 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:57.160 calling in today is that on Wednesday, pretty much like 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.200 right when I got home from Trader Joe's, I was like, 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.720 I don't think I feel that great, and I which 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.920 is not a fun feeling right now. And I don't 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.640 have any of the symptoms of coronavirus. I had a 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.240 slightly elevated temperature, but it was less than a hundred 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.480 point four. I didn't really have a cop or a 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.600 sore throat or anything. But even just stealing slightly under 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.159 the weather, and again it's like, you know, it's rainy 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.279 and cold here, we're all bundled up. So I think 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.479 that kind of contributes to like fluctuating temperatures. But when 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:32.039 you know how dangerous it could be if you were 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.520 infected and without the ability to get a test, it 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:37.719 just kind of makes you think, like, Okay, I should 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.960 just sit in my bedroom and not move. Yeah. I 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.840 think the official nightcall position is, you know, just stay home, 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:51.159 enjoying if you can, if you are able to stay home, 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:55.039 because a lot of people are not UM, A lot 0:04:55.040 --> 0:05:00.520 of people have to be working at Trader Joe's right now. Um, yeah, yeah, 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:05.480 I mean I think you don't have to, right I 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.720 Just as I got to the studio, I think I 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:13.320 saw that they passed the bill about UM about assistance 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:18.440 for economic assistance for people during coronavirle coronavirus. So hopefully 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:24.440 that can be executed UM somewhat efficiently because a lot 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:28.240 of people are to be really impacted by this. We 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.239 are going to have a real medical expert on today 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:35.160 later on that Emily will talk to that will answer 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:41.080 with real scientific advice any of our questions about coronavirus. 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:45.680 But if you want to hear from some non experts, uh, 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.840 there are plenty. They're getting there. They're trying to take 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:53.960 advantage of the situation. Could you would possibly be talking 0:05:54.000 --> 0:06:02.000 about Moon shut the Wellness Grifter are on it. Yeah, 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:08.760 our friends tweeted this. Uh, I guess it looks like 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:15.760 it's from the moon Juice Instagram. Possibly, um, just just 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.719 the moon Juice tips for how to overcome or I 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:24.320 guess prevent coronavirus, which involves um, not not one, but 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:29.159 two kinds of dust and something called super u so 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:38.359 also magnesium magnesium the thing. Okay, so obviously there's a 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.920 lot of like these are all like take my products 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.800 and that's how you'll be fine. And then maybe one 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.400 piece of real advice, which is wash yours right. Um. 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.520 The thing that really pissed me off is the tense 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:54.720 thing is not panicking. Most of us have the power 0:06:54.800 --> 0:07:00.240 to keep our immune systems strong, says But she believe 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.240 is that if you don't pan it, it's like the 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:07.600 secret like you're gonna stay well by that is that 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.720 people people who get sick just don't haven't willed it 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.080 away enough. Yeah, and it's not that most of us 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.040 have strong immune systems, it's most of us have the 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.640 power to as if you have a choice about it. 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.000 It's like very it's a subtle like difference in language, 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:30.360 but it's very insidious. I hate its Well. Yeah, one 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:35.560 nice thing you could do during your quarantine is check 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:42.240 out the amazing Nightcall canon yet that listener Derek made. Um. 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.240 We will post a link to it on the site 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.880 and some other places, But Derek made an amazing list 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.680 on letterbox of every movie we've talked about on Night Call, 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.480 like movies. Yeah, we we talked about a lot of movies. 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.160 It turns out on this on this podcast, I almost 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:05.160 called it a food cast. How did that happen? I 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.240 think I was scrolling through this and saw something that 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:11.000 maybe rhymed with that. Um, yeah, it's it's great though, 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.800 it's got the Craft on it. It's got eyes wide 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:21.120 shut of course. Fifth element the animal such a weird variety. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.080 I feel like the purge is really relevant viewing right now, 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:30.120 if you dare. I don't think I'm in the mood 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:34.079 to watch movies that are like about dystopi and scary 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:38.080 things right now. You haven't watched Contagion like everybody else 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:42.800 in the world. No, I mean I've seen Contagious. I'm 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.920 a fan, but yeah, I think it would just make 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.599 me feel more nervous right now. I just want to 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:53.840 watch like comfort things and eat comfort food. Yeah, I 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:55.840 would like to know what what you guys are eating 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.320 for your comfort food right now? What are you? I 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:05.800 was just silling Molly on this. You're just talking about it. Uh, 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.559 we're I think everybody wants to eat pasta. Yeah, pasta 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.920 was gone at Trader Joe's. Oh no, I have them 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.720 if you need Emily. Now that I'm no longer in 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.480 my still self quarantine too, you're in my inner circle. Um. 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.960 But I got at Trader Joe's. One of the things 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.679 they hadn't sold out of were chocolate croissans, and I 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.400 realized I was like, oh, I've never given my children 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:33.120 chocolate croissans. Like, what a terrible mother am I? So 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.040 then this morning I made chocolate croissans and I was like, children, 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.560 the chocolate crispans are ready, and they like took a 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.000 bite and we're kind of like, yeah, not for me. 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:49.320 So then I sat down and eat four chocolate croissans. 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:54.479 So yeah, yesterday I was probably the most dressed out yesterday. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.400 That's when I ate, Like I definitely just ate like 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.599 a meal that was just like two to Milana cookies. 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:07.040 Oh my god, I still yeah, yeah, um, it's just 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:13.959 chain just chain smoking them. I highly recommend, Like, I mean, 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.080 everything frozen was gone, but I feel like this should 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.959 be obvious, but you should eat like like fresh fruits 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.840 and vegetables if you can right now, and save the 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.160 frozen stuff for later when things really get dicey. Like 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:31.440 I baked sweet potatoes last night, um that I just 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:35.680 happened to have and it was extremely comforting, just like 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:39.240 sweet potatoes with olive oil and salt and pepperona Um, 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:44.679 super good. That was my my comfort food. Um. We're 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:50.920 definitely all going into a carb direction, in a bean direction, 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:55.679 I'm pro im proban. Yeah. Well, another thing we've been 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.680 hearing a lot is that if you go to the 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:01.000 big stores, including Trader Joe's everything, it's kind of ravaged. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.000 But if you go to small stores and corner stores, 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.840 they have been very well sucked. Two friends of mine 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.079 today give me the hot tip that I will now 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:13.000 share with our listenership that if you try to go 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:17.719 to a world market right now, um, super super empty 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.920 and they have lots of food there and wine, so 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:27.440 nobody's thinking. Yeah, so I I was not a follow Max. 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.240 I went to Cali Max today, uh, which has been 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:35.040 Highland Park and very well stocked on everything check out 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.640 Cali Max. All right, nice. Yeah. I heard there's an 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.000 argentiney and market near Atwater that people said was like 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.840 really good and very well stocked. But then I asked 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.120 where it was and no one would tell me because 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:52.120 they wanted it to remain well stocked. Um. But because 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.240 she said her parents reading costa, and I was like, oh, 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.800 are they making the Alison roman Um and Choby pasta 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.120 with tomato face? As if she wouldn't know that, like 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.720 as if they would have told her what kind of pasta, 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.280 like you know, we're specifically making the anchovie pasta. But 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:07.920 I was like, am I in the mood for that? 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.160 Or is that just like first of all, it's all 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.000 shelf stable or not all shelf stable things, but it 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.120 relies heavily on can things, so we have to save 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.920 that for later. But I was like, it's everyone just 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.120 going to start making that pasta because it's like it 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.880 looks so comforting and seeing exactly what you want if 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:33.040 you're miserable. Yeah, and I think, uh, we're reading about 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:38.200 Italy so much in the news. That's true just by 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.160 reading the word Italy over and over and over. Well, 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.599 there's that meme. There's that meme going around that was 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:47.520 like the different Italian filmmakers and like meme coronavirus meme, 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.240 and one of them is just like, okay, a real 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.240 news thing where a guy was like the stores out 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.199 of pasta, Like this is how you know we're in 0:12:56.200 --> 0:13:01.240 a huge crisis. Um, I want to try to explain 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:06.520 a meme because it doesn't work. They're like any other joke. UM. 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.120 So I happened to talk to a night call listener 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.600 um earlier today who happens to be a public health physician. 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.959 It's based in Denver's names Brian, and we had a 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.600 pretty good conversation about that, you know, actually ended up 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:26.280 being kind of relaxing to me. Um. And it was 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:32.439 like a few notches below the the UCSF conference notes. 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.120 I don't know if you guys saw those that went around. 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.959 That wasn't that wasn't a real thing. Yeah no, I know, 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.839 but that like that's like that's one of these things 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:44.520 where you just like red and then you feel like 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.719 your entire skin is on fire. Um yeah, right, well 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.800 that I wanted to bunk that specifically. It was like 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.280 a guy went to this conference and took notes, but 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.880 he wasn't one of the scientists, and if you look 0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:00.120 him up, he's a private practice position to chart just 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:05.800 like dollars for an appointment. I think there's also people 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.480 doing sort of panic drifting right now, posting things that 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.240 will get a lot of attention that are very like 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:15.920 worst predictions. There's just a lot of misinformation floating around. 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:20.360 So I'm glad that you have a real health expert on. Yeah, 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.200 you take a break. Yeah, We're gonna take a quick 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.360 break and then we'll come back and have my conversation 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:45.920 with Brian. Welcome back to Nightcall. Um. It's just Emily 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.680 here right now, and I am on the line right 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.680 now with a Nightcall listener who also happens to be 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.400 a preventive medicine and public health physician in Denver. We 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:59.360 have Brian Early on the line. Thank you for joining us. Brian, Hi, Emily, 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.200 thank you. It's great be here. So you reached out 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.680 to us because last week we were kind of having 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:08.560 our initial um pre panic session. I think I would 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.720 describe it as about coronavirus or COVID nineteen and just 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:17.800 um what we needed to do, what was overreacting versus 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.760 what wasn't and I just listened to our episode a 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.120 couple of days ago. It's Friday right now, and already 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.720 it felt like, oh, we were way low balling this. 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.160 We were kind of just like it's fine. Uh, you 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:32.520 know that that feels like overreaction or it's like we 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.120 don't want to go into prepper mode here. But now 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:39.240 I feel like everybody, at least in Los Angeles and um, 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.640 most of the United States is fully in prepper mode. Um. 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:49.840 But is that much happened every every day the situation changes? Um? 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:54.520 Is that kind of how you've experienced in Denver as well? Absolutely? Uh, 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.800 you know, Denver wasn't one of the first cities to 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:00.320 experience coronavirus cases like scattle in parts of California. You were. 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.680 But as our case count is increased, um, the amount 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:07.760 of concern has increased as well. So there's kind of 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.800 general what to do type thing right now that feels 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.480 very kind of It feels almost like like folk medicine 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.480 or something like I'm not really sure, Like I am 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:21.680 wiping down everything I can with lysol and uh, sanitizing 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:23.160 my hands and washing my hands all the time, but 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.960 it's just like, but what about everything else that my 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.640 body comes in contact with, Like, how how much is 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.800 all this stuff, all these kind of basic preventative measures 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:35.880 that we've been told through not even official health outlets, 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:41.080 just like blogs. How much is this really helping the 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.640 stop of the virus? And is there anything that we're 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.280 missing right now? Well, I think the most important thing 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:52.040 to emphasize is that the most impactful things that people 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.600 can do happen on a larger scale. Will we call 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:58.440 social distancing, avoiding crowds, avoiding being exposed to people with 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:02.080 the virus if possible, and really we consider sort of 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.560 personal actions like hand washing, masks, personal protects, equipment. It's 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.880 sort of the last line of protection against the virus. Really, 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:11.880 you'd rather not be in the same room with someone 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.680 with the virus um or a large crowd of people 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.360 who might have the virus. And only if you really 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:18.640 have to be do you want to do be doing 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.159 things like make sure you doing handwashing, cleaning surfaces, avoiding 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.679 touching your face and all that. Yeah, it's it's been 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.479 really hard to not touch my face. I've realized how 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.320 to depend depending I am on touching my face as 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:35.119 a glasses where especially and I'm adjusting my glasses right 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:39.600 now as I say this, Um yeah, um yeah, there 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:43.320 was also this panic ground masks to um, you know, 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.240 people buying them up and then also you know, being 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.359 shamed for wearing them in the first place. What's the 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:53.000 truth about masks right now? Should I have a mask? 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.159 Masks and toilet papers seemed to be people's most the 0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:00.840 most important thing people are doing after Um, So, so 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:05.640 masks work, okay, A well fitting uh you know, hostible 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.280 grade and N masks works better than a sort of 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:12.000 normal surgical mask. Um, but it works better only if 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:14.520 it's been sort of sitted and gits your face. Well, 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.800 but again we're talking about the last line. Like you're 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:20.639 in the room with someone who's shedding the virus, is 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:24.000 coughing or sneezing or whatever, then the mask is sort 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.920 of your last line there. Um. Really, it's you don't 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.320 want to be in a situation where you're having to 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.600 rely on it. It's it's at all possible. What is 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.680 the one kind of thing that you feel like is 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.960 being poorly communicated right now? Or like, what do you 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:40.600 I mean, there's many things that I feel like are 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:44.080 being poorly communicated, But as an expert, what has been 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:49.080 most frustrating for you to watch about these past couple 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.400 of weeks as this is unfolded in the US. Well, 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.639 I think, really something that's only coming to the public 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.720 consciousness very recently, but has been sort of in the 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.920 public health community for more than a decade is this 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:06.640 idea that controlling spread of the virus UM. It's really 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.200 about sort of slowing spread of the virus UM. There's 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.480 been this intrographic going around. I don't know if you've 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.320 seen it. It's UM comes the tagline flat in the curve. 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.920 The idea is that UM. You know, what we see 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.199 going on in Italy, where they're especially a hard hit, 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:24.239 is that the hospitals and health systems are overwhelmed. UM. 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.480 There's more people than there are bets uh, and there's 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:31.000 more people needing intensive care than there are ventilators, and 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.600 people like just delivered that care. UM. And as a 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:37.360 consequence of the virus spreading very quickly through a large population. UM. 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:43.720 And if you spread that out, say have people instead 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:45.560 of getting all getting sick within a two week period 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:50.280 in the community, UM, people getting exposed slowly over several months, 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.600 many people not getting exposed, then all of a sudden 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.119 health systems can operate normally, and not just people with 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:57.119 the virus, but people with other conditions that bring them 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:59.040 to the hospital. If you're having a heart attack, you 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.560 need here appendix out. Uh, they can receive high quality 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.680 care as well. Yeah, yeah, it's just this. I think 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.480 all of this just requires this sort of macro thinking 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:11.440 that not just as Americans but also like as human 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.359 beings were like not trained for at all. Is that 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:16.560 kind of that feels like it must be a constant 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.240 problem with what you do. It is. I think people 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.520 like to have feel like they have, you know, control 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.600 over what happens with themselves and what happens with their health. 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:27.320 But a lot of the most impactful conditions and decisions 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:29.000 that are made around this virus are made at a 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.240 very high level. UM. You know, workplaces, a lot of 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.919 people that work from home. People canceling conferences, canceling travel. Um. 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.240 And this virus happens and it spread the way it 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.760 does because we live in a globally connected society. UM, 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.199 and so the solutions have to be so equal macro scale. Um. 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.560 Did you read that report that came out? I think 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:54.800 yesterday it started to go around from UCSF. UM, I 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:56.399 should bring it up. I should have had it up 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:58.960 to begin with. Do you know what I'm talking about though? 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:06.399 Um this? Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, very Uh. I think 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:09.159 a little bit disputed about whether those are you know, 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:12.159 accurate notes. Um. But the CDC did come out with 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:14.920 sort of a worst case scenario report. Uh say, you know, 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:17.320 we don't do anything. We like two million people to 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:21.160 become effect you to the virus over a course of time, um, 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.520 and many many of them will be asymptomatic, and some 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:28.800 of them will require really um significant healthcare. Um. And 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:31.800 it's just you know, can we bring that number down 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.080 and can we do it in a way that allows 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.160 these people to get high quality care? So you said 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.280 that it was kind of you felt that it was 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:42.920 a little bit disputable whether these were accurate notes or 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.520 do do you think that what was in the report 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:47.639 because I mean a lot of you know, it's it's 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.680 a pretty bleak report, and the main takeaway seems to 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.440 be like, uh, this is going to change our country forever, 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:56.639 and this is going to be something we're going to 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.400 be living with for at least another year. UM. That's 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:01.560 sort of the broad takeaway. Do you think that that's 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:04.520 do you think that's accurate or is it more kind 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:07.679 of the specifics on it that um that you kind 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:09.879 of feel like you're disputable. You know. I think that 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:13.639 there's definitely communities that we're having spread UM in King 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:16.879 County and Washington and in New York where there is 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:20.560 community spread and they're going to be impacted to a 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.080 large attent, and likely this will sort of moved to 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:26.840 other communities in the US. UM. I don't have imagic 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:28.280 ball that I can tell you. You know, next week 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:29.840 will be in Austin, and then it will be in 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:34.119 UM somewhere in Michigan. But UM, it's likely that this virus, 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:36.280 given the way it's spread around the world, is going 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:38.879 to affect many different communities in the United States for 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.880 a long time to come. Yeah. I don't know. We're 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:45.720 l a Is still. I think they had the first 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:49.920 death here maybe earlier this week. I was going to 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:51.840 say a couple of weeks ago, because it feels like 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:53.520 it must have been two weeks ago, but it was 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:59.960 probably two days ago. That's how the squeech. Yeah. Yeah, 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:03.480 so I feel like right now everybody is sort of 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:07.919 battening down the hatches. Went to a very chaotic trader 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:12.120 Joe's yesterday to try to buy all my supplies. Um 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:17.359 are bad on a good day, Yeah, especially the one 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:21.600 in Hollywood. It's a yeah, a lot of Instagram influencers. 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:24.639 I have a very specific question because I put a 0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:27.639 pull out on this on my on my Twitter, and 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:30.040 I won't tell you what I eventually decided to do. 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:34.840 But I had made a hair cut appointment, um earlier 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:37.639 this week, when it still felt like something that maybe 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:43.520 wasn't crazy to do, and then today I kind of thought, um, oh, 0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:46.399 should I actually be doing this or not? But this 0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:48.440 is also in the same week whereas I said, I 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:51.440 went to a trader Joe's, I went to I'm in 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:53.680 the middle of moving, so I went to like a 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:57.760 Target and I've made two bed bath and beyond trips 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:02.840 uh and um yeah. And so it felt like of 0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:05.560 all these places like weirdly, I was like a salon 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:09.640 felt kind of harmless by comparison, But I wasn't sure 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:13.720 whether or not I should have gone. Um, I'm just 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:16.399 asking out of This is no longer for the public service. 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:19.760 This is just for me personally, well your opinion with 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:22.960 well for a few and anywhere else. Considering going to 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:26.560 a salon. Um, you know, the risk is the number 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:28.680 of different people you're exposed to and sort of the 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:32.840 context you're exposed to. In a salon, it's um, you know, 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:36.040 probably you and your stylists, and um, you know it's 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:38.720 doing they're using relatively hygienic practices. I think that you're 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:42.320 mostly gonna be exposed to uh, you know, contact with 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:45.399 one person for an extended period of time. Um, Whereas 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:48.840 I think you know a place like uh crazy train, 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.240 your shows, you're gonna be omping into, you know, a 0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:54.360 couple of dozen people, target, You're gonna be running into 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:58.000 a lot of people. So just it. Um, I think 0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:00.600 I don't know what you showed, but I would feel 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:02.199