WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Packing It in

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<v Speaker 1>The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is Mick

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<v Speaker 1>Shot screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the

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<v Speaker 1>official Dallas Cowboys apt now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,

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<v Speaker 1>and Nicky Spagnola, and it is time for another edition

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<v Speaker 1>of mix Shots. Here inside the SWBC podcast studio at

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<v Speaker 1>the Beautiful Star in Frisco. Noon on a Tuesday, it

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<v Speaker 1>is Packers week. Mickey has his Cowboys Blue star on Everson.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you sporting today? I've got my Black College

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame all right over, which is gonna set

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<v Speaker 1>the tone for what I want to talk all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to hear what Everson wants to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about today. All the Packers that are in the Pro

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<v Speaker 1>football I just read something they got twenty eight wow eight.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Cowboys have a couple of Packers and they're

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<v Speaker 1>in the Football Hall of Fame on them, but then

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<v Speaker 1>they've been planned since nineteen thirty. Made the point to

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<v Speaker 1>say that he is not a Cowboy fan. I mean add, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he sure did. I saw the quote and he he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, hey, you know, well he got raised by

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers exactly. Yeah, and that was kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>tone of his statement. He was he won all those

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl I mean or NFL Championship games with the Packers. However,

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<v Speaker 1>when the Cowboys won their first Super Bowl in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one, and I've got my Cowboys, how many interceptions

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<v Speaker 1>did herb Adderly have in that nineteen seventy one season

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<v Speaker 1>when the Cowboys won their first Super Bowl? Why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you tell us, Bill, I'm about to tell you. He

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<v Speaker 1>had six picks that season, four the Dallas Cowboys. And

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<v Speaker 1>now he's dissing on the Cowboys. Yeah, he kind of

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<v Speaker 1>he kind of, you know, kind of distance, like like

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<v Speaker 1>I dissed the Giants. I love that Giants team, but

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<v Speaker 1>not that Giants fans. Alright, I kind of get it

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<v Speaker 1>did one thing for you, It did one thing for him,

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<v Speaker 1>just like it did one thing for her. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>now he was six. That's a cute number. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>nice cute number for interceptions. We got a nice tour

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<v Speaker 1>behind us. I had seven and nine. So that's all

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<v Speaker 1>he got with six a fourteen games with fourteen nine.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna forced me to look up her Adderlay statistics

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<v Speaker 1>on Pro Football Reference. In the meantime, Mickey Spagnola, Look

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<v Speaker 1>at all this, You've got a full legal pad. These

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<v Speaker 1>are Everson just noticed his adoring fans outside talking about myself.

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<v Speaker 1>These are packet talking about myself. I'm distracted, ladies and gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 1>Everson Walls. Yes, they're taking pictures of you. Everson. There

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<v Speaker 1>you go, all right, make you what do you say?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I got a whole list of Packer shots

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<v Speaker 1>here for he grew up a Packers fan. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to enjoy this too much. No, not

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<v Speaker 1>at all surprised you don't have your Packer greening goal.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it was your letter Jack. No, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I think they check you out the door when't

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<v Speaker 1>you start winning stuff like I don't think I ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that wasn't a thing to buy stuff back then,

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<v Speaker 1>was there? At least not in your family? Yeah, well

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<v Speaker 1>mine either, we were all Packer fans. But yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was an expenditure week of afford. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll guarantee you, um, okay, don't lose your tren So

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<v Speaker 1>two numbers. Two numbers stood out when I was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of looking at things. So in the Packers loss to

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit was fifteen to nine. Aaron Rodgers quarterback rating was

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<v Speaker 1>fifty three point five thanks to three interceptions, the other

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<v Speaker 1>one by a team that just fired their secondary right,

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<v Speaker 1>the other one. I mean, that's firing everyone something ones

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<v Speaker 1>that matter. Right, We're gonna get the D line code.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, what did he do? What did he do?

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<v Speaker 1>Not the defense of No, we're gonna get you. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going he already the defense coordinator already quick he got

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<v Speaker 1>he got fired when Matt Rule got fired. Back to

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<v Speaker 1>Packers and Rogers. His cap hit for this year twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight point five million. Next year he's guaranteed fifty nine

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars. And the only way they get out of

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<v Speaker 1>it is if he retires. Who didn't watch the cap hit?

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<v Speaker 1>If he retires, Oh, the dead money. U it was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be even more than the fifty nine guaranteed.

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<v Speaker 1>So so a whole heap of trouble up there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what happens. And I'm gonna bring this back

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<v Speaker 1>to the Cowboys. And when you start signing these type

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<v Speaker 1>of deals and then you're gonna moan that oohing, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>well I need some wide receivers. Well, they can't afford

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<v Speaker 1>wide receivers. They have about the same amount of cap

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<v Speaker 1>space right now for this year as the Cowboys. The

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys is right at seven. There's a seven point seven million.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, there's That's why it's a cautionary tale for

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<v Speaker 1>this Odell Beckham junior stuff, because what I read is

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<v Speaker 1>he's not just looking for a prove it deal for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of this season. He's talking about, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to get someplace for four years and be

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<v Speaker 1>able to buy a house and quit all this suitcase

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<v Speaker 1>Karen stuff. Well, if he wants that, he ain't playing

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<v Speaker 1>for cheap, right. So I mean when you start talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a provid deal, Yeah, you start off with a

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<v Speaker 1>proved contract, Well it's a five it's gonna be five

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<v Speaker 1>games basically by time he's ready to play, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>then how who knows about playoffs? Right? So yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know they're up in the anne for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's Cowboys are interested. Okay, we're interested. I'm gonna kick

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<v Speaker 1>that tire, but I can't afford much because next year

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about it, right, next year Dak's base salary

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<v Speaker 1>goes up, You're gonna have to resign U Digs you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to resign Lamb at some point if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want them playing in the far away. And then

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<v Speaker 1>Carsons is coming up, right, so you gotta be careful

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<v Speaker 1>full saying well, yeah, we're all in because we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>win the Super Bowl. Well, okay, the Packers were all

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<v Speaker 1>in a couple of years ago when they signed Rogers,

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<v Speaker 1>and now what kind of shaper they are? Mickey, You

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<v Speaker 1>are a year away from Terrence Steele. Yes, yes, this

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<v Speaker 1>is his third year. Huh, you got one more year

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<v Speaker 1>and he's a free agent. Guess who else? Be oddish,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm I'm talking. You're talking about a tackle in

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<v Speaker 1>this league, yes, okay, yes, an offensive tackle in this league.

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<v Speaker 1>And what do offensive tackles command, even if you're the

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<v Speaker 1>right even if you're the right tackle, Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking upwards of ten million dollars a year for

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<v Speaker 1>your right and he's playing, well, he's playing well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's playing, and no one talks about that contract. It's looming.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you look at the rest of the league,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's desperate for tackles, so somebody will pay them. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>can you afford to pay them? Or you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to start from. I think the bare minimum, assuming Terrence

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<v Speaker 1>deal is keeps playing where he's playing right now, is

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<v Speaker 1>a three The bare minimum would be a three year,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty million dollars. Yeah, that's what I had in my

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<v Speaker 1>mind when you brought it up. Yeah, so you got

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<v Speaker 1>to be careful how you spend your money. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I had some cowboy fan said, well, I'm all in,

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<v Speaker 1>just spend what you got to spend this year and

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<v Speaker 1>try to win the super Bowl. And then I said,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're good for ten years of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe losing records like happening to some teams, or what

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<v Speaker 1>if you spend all that money and you don't win

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<v Speaker 1>the super Bowl and then you don't have money going forward.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just think you have to be realistic about

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff. You know, when you start talking about having

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<v Speaker 1>that much money available, how much you have available? And

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<v Speaker 1>I brought up yesterday. I brought this up yesterday. So

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<v Speaker 1>in the offseason, there's no more quarterbacks, you know, high play,

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<v Speaker 1>high paid players donating to the to the Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're taking as much money. They don't do that. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't do that. Now do we do this? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>in the makings? I mean because Rogers extension or three

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<v Speaker 1>year deal that he resigned was three years, one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty million, forty point eight signing bonus. That means

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<v Speaker 1>million fifty one hundred and fifty point eight guaranteed and

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and one point million guaranteed at signing. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't thinking about the team, right, He didn't consider

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<v Speaker 1>that we got any money to pay a wide receiver.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't keep DeVante items no matter if you're mad

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<v Speaker 1>or not, we just don't have the finances to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And not only that, his his offseason h participation was minimal, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and that didn't help when it came to having the

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<v Speaker 1>lack of receivers with I can experience and you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get accustomed to how they play and having

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<v Speaker 1>a rapport. You're going to have to raise young guys

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not just this show not to address that

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<v Speaker 1>much in the it's down the line. These are what

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have to go with, you know. They signed

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<v Speaker 1>Randall Cobb and it wasn't that much. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>he I think his base salary was two million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>for a veteran like that. Well, unfortunately now he's on

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<v Speaker 1>ir so, um, you know, they kind of made it,

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<v Speaker 1>and he helped make that bed right now that they're

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<v Speaker 1>in this three and six so can he can he

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<v Speaker 1>remedy that in the off season by helping uh donate

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<v Speaker 1>to the cause. He would have to restructure significantly, but

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<v Speaker 1>usually when you're your structure, you're getting paid some as

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<v Speaker 1>a restructure bonus and you kind of move keep moving

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<v Speaker 1>it down to kick that can down the road. Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't get any less expensive. Well, he'll be

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<v Speaker 1>retiring he turns thirty nine next year. Yeah, So I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>does that sound feasible for thirty nine year old Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame quarterback highest paid right to go into a

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<v Speaker 1>situation like that this next offseason? Okay, this is my

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<v Speaker 1>last special coming off of three and fourteen? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh I was reading there right now, not much optimism.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I was coming off a year like we

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<v Speaker 1>anticipate him coming off of. Does that both well for

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<v Speaker 1>a thirty nine year old future Hall of Fame quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>to go into a situation where I'm going to restructure

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<v Speaker 1>my stuff for this one last or one last time years? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Does that does that sound feasible to you? No? Because

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<v Speaker 1>if you're restructuring it, you're still what you said, kicking

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<v Speaker 1>the money down the road. So at some point, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he may not get it, but the Packers are going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to account for it, um, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were. I was reading the Milwaukee Journal in the

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<v Speaker 1>Green Bay Press Cuizette, and there was already columns about

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<v Speaker 1>you know what if they it's like every game going forward,

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost a playoff game for him right now, and

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<v Speaker 1>that in twenty twenty three you have to consider, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to blow it up to start over in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, at only nine games into the season,

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<v Speaker 1>they're already writing up there about blowing it up. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's usually not a real aggressive media corps up there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not saying they're fans, because I have

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, decent guy friends with that has been

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<v Speaker 1>covering them at the Milwaukee Journal for years. But they're

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<v Speaker 1>just being straightforward. And you know, look, if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at their their pattern in the last three or four years,

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<v Speaker 1>the team and Rodgers have not been either eye on

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much anything. Well, you know what was funny somebody

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<v Speaker 1>and I haven't found the story yet, but somebody said

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<v Speaker 1>and we had him on last time to boys played

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers. Remember Tom Silverstein. Um, he had written a

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<v Speaker 1>story pointing out that you know how um everybody was

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<v Speaker 1>writing at the end for Mike McCarthy up there in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen that he and Aaron Rodgers weren't seeing eye

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<v Speaker 1>to eye. Well, he wrote a story just recently how

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<v Speaker 1>Rogers and Matt l Lafleur aren't seeing ida. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think Rodgers ever sees either eye with anyone, right, yeah. So,

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<v Speaker 1>uh so that that's already cropped up right, Um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and yesterday and we'll get into the things Mike McCarthy

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<v Speaker 1>said about going back. But you know, he kind of

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<v Speaker 1>once again and kind of defended the relationship with Aaron Rodgers, saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he enjoyed the conversations. They had their meetings

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<v Speaker 1>on Monday, and he said we usually ended with a

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<v Speaker 1>hug and I love you, you know, and it's like, whoakay, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let me tell you something. This is one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I have all as a defensive back. I guess I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit discriminatory because I hear things who are

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<v Speaker 1>quarterbacks are always being am I using were placated towards

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we just kiss their butts over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>And don't ask a wide receiver to say anything bad

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<v Speaker 1>about any quarterback, oh man, because he wants to get touches,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna get front. So you know, to me, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's like, you know, a taboo subject to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like talking about race relationships. When you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Aaron Rodgers are talking to a quarterback because

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<v Speaker 1>all they want to do is just make sure he's happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't say anything to upset the apple cart, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be fine. And that is not the case, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>you have someone that's combative, as saying Aaron Rodgers. These

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<v Speaker 1>last three four years, it has been I'm over here,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys handling your business. I'll come in when I'm ready,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna be because I am Aaron Rodgers. And

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<v Speaker 1>to me, that is not a that's that's what you

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<v Speaker 1>do with tennis players. That is not a team sport,

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<v Speaker 1>is not a team sport attitude. And we give these quarterbacks,

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<v Speaker 1>and yes I'm speaking strictly at quarterbacks, we give them

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<v Speaker 1>too much leeway and too much benefit of the down.

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<v Speaker 1>So real quickly, I know we're gonna run by h No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you covered it. Then I can add to that. You

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<v Speaker 1>nailed it. You absolutely nailed it. But I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to say, and they're in this situation and now they've

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<v Speaker 1>got injuries. Yeah, they lose Rashaun Gary. They're leading sack

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<v Speaker 1>guy had six in the first six games and he

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't had any sense, but he tore his ACL so

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<v Speaker 1>he's done. There was a linebacker, Yeah, I saw that

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<v Speaker 1>the other night that their cornerbacks Eric Stokes has an

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<v Speaker 1>ankle and knee and he left the game on Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>in a walking boot and crutches, so that doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>bode well for him. Their wide receiver Romeo is it Dobbs?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that how they pronounced it. He's a rookie, right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a high ankle sprain, so he's out a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks at at least. Right. Their other rookie

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<v Speaker 1>wide receiver, Christian Watson, was big on Bill's list. He

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<v Speaker 1>had suffered, he had he had suffered a concussion, He

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<v Speaker 1>had to miss a game. He came back this pass

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<v Speaker 1>game and he got knocked out of the game. They

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<v Speaker 1>said it wasn't a concussion, but he couldn't finish the game,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're saying he might be back this week. And

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<v Speaker 1>then running back keep going, and running back Aaron Jones

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<v Speaker 1>left the game with a knee and they're saying, and

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't return, they're saying he has a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>come back. And the backup running back DILLONJ. Dillon, how's

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<v Speaker 1>he doing because I think he can play because he

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<v Speaker 1>had a running in with someone doing the game and

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<v Speaker 1>it was it wasn't pretty. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't on the list that Lafleur went over. Run okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and Aaron Jones sounds like he's going. Yeah, they think

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<v Speaker 1>he has a chance to get back. Yes, so they've

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<v Speaker 1>got their in not only losing five straight. How does

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<v Speaker 1>that happen to the teams that always have problems winning,

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<v Speaker 1>they always have a lot of injuries. It seems yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well maybe that was my temperature to keep going up.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds about right, sound about right. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>laughing about Christian Watson because we and Mickey's Mickey's acting

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<v Speaker 1>like he wasn't on. No, I was. I liked what

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<v Speaker 1>I saw I did, so I was a lot in

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<v Speaker 1>until the first play of the season when he dropped

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<v Speaker 1>at a judgment. Oh yeah, yes, that guy Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that was the turning point, the turning point of

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers season. I think I know it was the

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<v Speaker 1>first series, might have been the first play of the season,

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<v Speaker 1>and Aaron Rodgers hit this guy in stride right in

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<v Speaker 1>the hands, and it took me right back to draft

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<v Speaker 1>day when I was touting this guy. And supposedly producers

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme can vouch for this. Uh, there are scouts around

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<v Speaker 1>the league who said, no, that guy can't catch. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what happens though at that time. You you know,

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<v Speaker 1>unless you watch all the games, you see the highlights

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<v Speaker 1>and you're going on, this guy's pretty big, and somebody

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<v Speaker 1>in the scouting department said, well, he is what we saw.

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<v Speaker 1>He was very inconsistent catching the ball. He has a

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<v Speaker 1>chance still to be a really good well cha Chase, Chase.

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<v Speaker 1>He had problems, yeah, coming out of college and in

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<v Speaker 1>preseason last year, and then all of a sudden they

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<v Speaker 1>started catching everything in sight. You can't always go by that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the drops kind of get pushed through the side in college, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, oh, look at the yards, look at

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<v Speaker 1>the catch. And Watson has had some injury issues the

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<v Speaker 1>first half of the season. You know, you can't be

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<v Speaker 1>as a wide receiver. You can't be, you know, fifty

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<v Speaker 1>fifty like I'll catch another thing on you can bat

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<v Speaker 1>and it's really good. And I always say you can't

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<v Speaker 1>bat five hundred. In the journalism business, you can't be

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<v Speaker 1>fifty fifty intelligent right or wrong? Right? And the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing on Watson in the defense of us who thought

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<v Speaker 1>that he had some potential in the league, the emphasis

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<v Speaker 1>was on the potential in the league, not as a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who could come in because he I think he

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<v Speaker 1>may have just had like thirty eight catches in college

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<v Speaker 1>in North Dakota State. They didn't throw the ball much,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean, you see how the North Dakota

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<v Speaker 1>State quarterbacks are doing in the league, right, ye? Come on,

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<v Speaker 1>but Carson Wentz, Yeah, yeah, that will you. I and

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<v Speaker 1>c that's good. And Trey Lance out in San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 1>that's er you're referring to. All right. I would get

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<v Speaker 1>much to get into, including an emotional Mike McCarthy yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>to say what you were gonna wanted to say starting

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<v Speaker 1>off the show? You want to save that? I want

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<v Speaker 1>to do it now, because we are on a roll.

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<v Speaker 1>I really want to know what the Runey rule. M

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<v Speaker 1>How was that applied towards this Indianapolis Colts signing or

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<v Speaker 1>hiring of Jeff Saturday, because sounds like to me that

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<v Speaker 1>was just like like a good old boy situation going

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<v Speaker 1>on up there. I don't think it applies to interim. Interim,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it is, okay, because you don't have time

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<v Speaker 1>to do a search during the middle of the season

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<v Speaker 1>sometime most candidates are under contract elsewhere. Yeah, would you

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<v Speaker 1>consider that a loophole? No, because I bet it's just

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of the season. So what if he

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<v Speaker 1>does well, well, then then they need to have then

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<v Speaker 1>your full search regardless. So they will not be allowed

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily just paper stamping to just say, hey, you we

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<v Speaker 1>want he want out. Let's say he has a one

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<v Speaker 1>record on the way out, we want you for next year.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they have to go through They have to

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<v Speaker 1>go through the process. Now. They can't just say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't need anybody else. Well you know what I

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<v Speaker 1>mean to research that. It's like what did the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>do with Jason when they elevated him to coach and

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<v Speaker 1>then they signed him to twenty ten. But Jason was

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<v Speaker 1>a coach the staff, right, they have basically even though

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<v Speaker 1>he was he was coaching high school Catholic sports or whatever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was the NFL. They technically went outside the organization

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<v Speaker 1>to hire this interim by what do you mean by

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic sports? Yeah, that was Yeah, I guess that did

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<v Speaker 1>kind of make a sound little private derogatory, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know and I don't know if he actually

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<v Speaker 1>he he wasn't currently the private school coach. Yeah. Why

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<v Speaker 1>was that even mentioned? Because experience? Right now? I think no,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't saying that was his coach. I thought he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to have to retire from coaching the high

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<v Speaker 1>school team. Okay, he didn't walk away from so he

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<v Speaker 1>does have coaching. He does have coach experience. Experience. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I stand corrected, and go back to I stand corrected. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I tried a private school. You know what Doug Peterson

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<v Speaker 1>when he before he was hired by now, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>hired as a head coach right out right from the

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<v Speaker 1>private school in Louisiana where he was coaching, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was after he retired from the NFL. And he's probably

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<v Speaker 1>his kids got probably the same thing Jason Witten's doing

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<v Speaker 1>at Liberty Christian in ar here, where he coached at

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<v Speaker 1>a private school in Louisiana. I don't remember how many years,

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<v Speaker 1>three or four years, and then the Eagles hired him,

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<v Speaker 1>I think as an assistant and then he eventually became

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<v Speaker 1>the head coach there. So so if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you search for him interim coach just

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<v Speaker 1>for lack of time, you can just go eat any

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<v Speaker 1>by the end, there we are candidates right here that

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<v Speaker 1>come on, yeah, thank you, come on, wisdom. Arizona did

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<v Speaker 1>it with Steve Wilkes when whoever got fired in Arizona

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<v Speaker 1>and he was the interim, well he came to head

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<v Speaker 1>the full time head coach. Done it? Now? Where did

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<v Speaker 1>it come from? What was his Carola? Carolina, Carolina now

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<v Speaker 1>but in Arizona, Carolina before going the Arizona What was

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<v Speaker 1>he before he became the Arizona's interim coach? Wasn't he

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<v Speaker 1>a him there? Or the day? He's the interim in

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina right now right now, but not in Arizona and Arizona.

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<v Speaker 1>What was his his background before he became interim No,

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<v Speaker 1>he's saying he wasn't interim Carizona, I thought taken from

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<v Speaker 1>that and once again, even he had NFL experience, whether

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<v Speaker 1>he was see he defensive. Once again, you know this

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<v Speaker 1>is different here. I mean everything you're bringing up, it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost close to protocol. But you can just hire anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>When I say anyone, we are candidates the Cowboys. Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>could do the same with Jason Witten if they wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>So they need or Mickey Spagnola in regards to the ruining,

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<v Speaker 1>in regards to the ruining rule and really how it's applied,

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<v Speaker 1>that to me is almost the loophole. You know that.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a great example. Okay, I'm not obviously the

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<v Speaker 1>things are going great here right now. But Jason, now,

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Witten is actually coaching right now. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how long Saturday coached at this private school till Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, But but if Yucky I got you,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to stay yeah, I'm trying to stay focusing ahead. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Witton and Saturday are that those are two of them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>very similar situations. Like if ever three years from now,

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<v Speaker 1>four years from now, Jerry was looking for an interim

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<v Speaker 1>head coach, Whitten would be a prime candidate and that

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:55.879
<v Speaker 1>is BS. I mean, I love Witten. And once again,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone talks about what a great guy Saturday is because

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<v Speaker 1>I see him on TV. Everybody loves he's smart, He's yeah,

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:05.120
<v Speaker 1>he's a great guy. You know, he was a sener

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:08.680
<v Speaker 1>for Peyton Manning, so he knew the game. He knows

0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 1>the game very well. But you know, this is to

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:17.919
<v Speaker 1>me a very convenient loophole for the NFL. Well, you

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 1>could be hired as the room once again, let's be

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:27.879
<v Speaker 1>realistic here, okay, because it just to me that's something

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 1>that really needs to be addressed. Let's say a coach

0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:34.679
<v Speaker 1>gets gets fired on in week two and then you

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 1>bring in an interim, and that interim is someone who

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 1>clearly should not be be coaching. Well, here's a sort

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 1>of a parallel. It's not a coach, but it's a

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 1>GM John Lynch was hired from the broadcast both to

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 1>become the San Francisco and who was doing a great job.

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:56.720
<v Speaker 1>But it's not that's not it's not about after the fact.

0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>It's the practice. Is the high having practices that should

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 1>be adhered to from the beginning, And when you start

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>talking about interrim coach, to me, that ain't nothing but

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 1>a loophole. So Jeff said, He's like, Okay, I can't

0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:12.240
<v Speaker 1>find anybody out there that really would be a qualified

0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 1>head coach head coaching candidate. Since I'm consulting you, guys,

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 1>why don't you just go ahead and pay me that

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>two plus meal or whatever they're paying it. Well, did

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>they talk about how much he's being paid? You would

0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 1>you would have broad because we're talking money here, guy.

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Did they talk about how much money he got paid for?

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:30.760
<v Speaker 1>It has to I'm sure they've agreed on something already

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 1>because he is now the interim head coach, so it's

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 1>been agreed upon. Your broadcast experience on the podcast would

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 1>be experienced, right. See, but I'm waiting, Jerry. You know

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I could be assistant head coach with right now. I

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 1>could be that that gown his shoulder every once in

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 1>a while. You know, I could do that. So No,

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I just think it's something that as we look at it, Uh,

0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 1>it can be a problem because now this interim head coach,

0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:05.360
<v Speaker 1>even though he was never qualified to be an interim

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 1>head coach, if he does well, which would be great

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 1>for him, then it almost kind of gives him a

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 1>head start in regards to next year's position. Do you understand? Yeah,

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 1>And that to me should be addressed in the Rooney rule.

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 1>I've got to intrim head coaches should be addressed in

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the Ruoney. Go ahead, Okay, I've got cleared up on

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Saturday. In his previous coaching experience at Catholic school,

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>this little lightness which otherwise notice hebrun Christian Academy, Georgia.

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 1>There you go. Yeah, twenty seventeen he became the head

0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 1>coach there, and he was there seventeen eighteen nineteen, three

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 1>years and then he resigned. He had a twenty and

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>sixteen record to make the playoffs. Every year he won

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:59.080
<v Speaker 1>three playoff games. So there you go. There's this coaching experience.

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.720
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, now we're talking about you know, John Lynch,

0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 1>who first of all, doing a great job, great guy,

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:10.320
<v Speaker 1>great jobs, smart as hell. You know, San Francisco is

0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>doing well because of him. How he got hired Still

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 1>we don't know how or why. Number one, we don't

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 1>even want to talk about Kingsbury. We don't even want

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 1>to talk about that. This guy got fired. Right, you

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 1>talked about falling uphill and getting a job in the NFL.

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 1>It's about to fall again. Yeah, he's about to fall

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>in there, right on out of there. So, I mean,

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 1>it's just really something that should be buttoned down in

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the Rooney Rule. It really should be I think it

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 1>needs to be revitalized or I don't know, sometimes somehow

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 1>retooled to where it's more effective, because it's really not

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 1>as effective as it should be, especially when you're talking

0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 1>about this loophole. This is a loophole that I'm sure

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:01.640
<v Speaker 1>some teams are aware that is there in the Rooney

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Rule when you're talking about into them coaches. But it's

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 1>it's a temporary higher how temporary not just temporary, but temporarily. Uh, yes,

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>get bread. We're talking money here, man. You throw away

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 1>money to a guy who coach even barely five hundred

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 1>in high school. Speaking of throwing away money, did you

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 1>see how much Frank Reich's making sitting on his couch

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 1>after they fired him. Yeah, he's making two hundred thousand

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:33.720
<v Speaker 1>dollars a week till twenty twenty six. Oh damn, wow?

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 1>How much is Matt rulemaking about that much? Wow? That's

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 1>better than a pension? Wow? Yeah, two hundred thousand dollars

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:45.600
<v Speaker 1>a week till twenty twenty six. I read and so

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 1>when you're talking about it an organization as the NFL,

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.920
<v Speaker 1>and how the most popular game in town, Let's just

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 1>be real. Baseball basketball can't compare, and you're just letting

0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>them throw away money like this, just throw it around.

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 1>To me, that needs to be addressed, because it's like

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>you don't care that this guy is not qualified at

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 1>all and you're just throwing him millions of dollars. I

0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:11.239
<v Speaker 1>know he's getting at least two meals. And to me,

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I just it's just something that just as as Jane Staller,

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 1>you say, chaps my ass, and I'm sorry it does.

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Somebody got talked to him. Let's go get some salve

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 1>for him, because is it okay? My bad? I need

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 1>some salve here? We are all right? An emotional Mike

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:34.600
<v Speaker 1>McCarthy when we come back here on, I'm emotionally too. Damnit.

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>We paid how much for those lessons? She's doing great?

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<v Speaker 1>Nice Okay, Everson, You're gonna love this segment. Okay, We're

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:28.840
<v Speaker 1>talking about going home. We're talking about Mike McCarthy his

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:33.440
<v Speaker 1>press conference yesterday. He's going back to Green Bay. Okay, Mickey,

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<v Speaker 1>tell us fill us in on your thoughts on Mike.

0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:41.759
<v Speaker 1>When he was asked about going home, well, I'm going

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:45.319
<v Speaker 1>there to win, you know, And he stayed with it.

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 1>And the other thing that the players got out of

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:53.959
<v Speaker 1>it was he said that you should go back and

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:59.800
<v Speaker 1>reflect on what you did that was home, that helped

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.800
<v Speaker 1>propelled to where you are today. And it kind of

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:06.800
<v Speaker 1>stuck with some of the players. I think Tyler Smith

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:09.600
<v Speaker 1>was really good about it. He said, yeah, sitting here

0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:12.560
<v Speaker 1>and thinking where I came from and what I did

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:15.799
<v Speaker 1>and now I'm starting in the NFL, I reflect on

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 1>what got me here. Uh. And then they kept probing

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 1>at him, and at one point he said, this is BS.

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 1>You're just trying to get me to cry. He was

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>about to cry, right, he got. He got emotional, got

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 1>he talked about his daughter was born there, daughters grew

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>up there, and then that's when he still have their

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:44.319
<v Speaker 1>place there, and that's when he started. And then he

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:46.919
<v Speaker 1>had to do this. You can tell the tears were

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:50.240
<v Speaker 1>tears welling, and then he had to hit the podium

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 1>recomposed man. Yeah, yeah, but it was, you know, and

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.160
<v Speaker 1>I understand cool, you know, And that's was one of

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 1>the questions I was going to talk about you, because

0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you had much remorse maybe. Oh wait, wait,

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:08.359
<v Speaker 1>that's where I wanted to go. All right, so don't

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:12.279
<v Speaker 1>let me stick Bill stop. Yeah, yeah, it's spoiled it

0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I was about. I was about to say, do we

0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:22.719
<v Speaker 1>know of anyone who was let go unceremoniously at a

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:28.359
<v Speaker 1>place and then came back and then back. I don't

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 1>know of anyone like that. One thing I can say,

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 1>as we move on to the obvious, one thing I

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:38.560
<v Speaker 1>can say is mine was more of an anchor revenge,

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, so I didn't have time to get emotion.

0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety when the schedule came out, was there

0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 1>a game that you circled on the schedule? Of course,

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:53.439
<v Speaker 1>it was the second game of the year, but one

0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:56.840
<v Speaker 1>of them, the first one was the second game of

0:38:56.880 --> 0:39:00.359
<v Speaker 1>the season, and it was at Texas Stadium coming home.

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Foreverson Walter, I'm gonna get my licks in right now

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 1>because from what I heard, Jimmy Johnson wrote the book,

0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 1>and I'm interview any tomorrow. So I'm sure he got

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 1>some bass in there. I gotta I just got my

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:15.479
<v Speaker 1>copy yesterday in the mail, and and uh, interviewing tomorrow morning.

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Is there something you'd like me to ask? Damn, you

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 1>can ask you. I need a copy of the Boy,

0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 1>but no, uh, yeah, my whole thing was And speaking

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 1>of Jimmy, yeah it was. It was all about coming back,

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 1>and uh, I don't need much motivation, but I knew

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 1>that it would be sweet to come back and not

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:41.000
<v Speaker 1>just kick the cowboys, but but to get to let

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:44.759
<v Speaker 1>him know what he already knew. Yeah, that that, you

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:48.560
<v Speaker 1>know when it was one of those premeditive examples exactly,

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>and I did not like. I didn't like being used

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 1>as an exact. I was here before you were here.

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 1>No one knew of Jimmy Johnson. I was born here,

0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:00.680
<v Speaker 1>you understand. So for him to come in try to

0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:04.440
<v Speaker 1>make all these arrangements and stuff I was really didn't appreciate.

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:07.359
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I brought back with me to it.

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 1>But you want to make sure that your anger doesn't

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:12.400
<v Speaker 1>overwhelm you, right, you want your anger to be to

0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 1>be fuel, but you will still want to be poised.

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 1>And everything you did, and I had a hell of

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:19.359
<v Speaker 1>a game that game interception. Of course, come on, that's

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 1>what I do. You were what you weren't out, You

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:29.280
<v Speaker 1>weren't out on the field gritting your teeth and going, okay,

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:34.080
<v Speaker 1>it's in your preparations probably right, like I gotta be

0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:37.160
<v Speaker 1>prepared for this. But the funny thing is after the game.

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:40.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, Jimmy's so emotional man, that's well, that's his

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:44.080
<v Speaker 1>strength and his problem is his emotion. And so he

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:47.960
<v Speaker 1>felt somehow that he had to come in and shake

0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:51.240
<v Speaker 1>my hand first before he shook plus Sal's hand after

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:53.279
<v Speaker 1>the game. And you know, I took that as a

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 1>matter of respect but also somewhat regret from him, like, yeah,

0:40:58.040 --> 0:40:59.879
<v Speaker 1>maybe I did screw up man. You know, that's why

0:40:59.880 --> 0:41:01.760
<v Speaker 1>he was trying to catch up with me here lately

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:04.880
<v Speaker 1>and finally caught up with me and apologized for cutting me.

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh really, oh he did, And he said he had

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.799
<v Speaker 1>a couple of other apologies as well. He said they

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:12.759
<v Speaker 1>never should have gotten rid of Jack del Wiel as

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:16.520
<v Speaker 1>well when he let both of us go. He said

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 1>I should have stayed as safety and helped the young

0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 1>guys in that secondary. And he also said that Jack

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Deliel should have hung around and helped with those young

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:29.480
<v Speaker 1>linebackers as well. Well. He would have been the best linebacker,

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 1>right because he went through ninety one del Rio if

0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:40.320
<v Speaker 1>I remember, and he would have been better than Robert Jones,

0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:43.400
<v Speaker 1>who they drafted in the first round and probably regretted

0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 1>it didn't get a second contract. Right. But Jimmy had

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<v Speaker 1>a way of trying to send messages through some of

0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:52.360
<v Speaker 1>his actions. Yeah, and he's still trying to send messages

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:56.320
<v Speaker 1>publicly about me, which I don't appreciate at all because

0:41:56.360 --> 0:42:00.319
<v Speaker 1>he's rewriting history in regards to our encounters. So I'm

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 1>sure the book will have something to say about that.

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:05.279
<v Speaker 1>I can't. I played in my book as well. So

0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:08.279
<v Speaker 1>he has a chance to fire back. That's his thing,

0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 1>he has that right, But we all we both know

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:18.399
<v Speaker 1>the truth, Jimmy. And by the way, and this if

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<v Speaker 1>this works out for McCarthy the way it did for

0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Everson going home, all right, Giants won that game over

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys twenty eight to seven, and Everson had an interception.

0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:29.399
<v Speaker 1>You know, they had to pick six in that game.

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Lauren Taylor did all right. It was so I'm going

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.640
<v Speaker 1>on the record already. Micah Parsons is gonna have a

0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 1>pick six in McCarthy's return to Green Bay. Okay, Now,

0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 1>McCarthy did say in in the you know, he said

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<v Speaker 1>despite they asked him about leave, you know how it ended,

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 1>and he said, yeah, there was a dent in the relationship.

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:56.560
<v Speaker 1>But again, uh, it's not he made it sound like

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't about the Packers. It's the people that he

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:04.400
<v Speaker 1>left behind. And when I think about going from you know,

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:07.320
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't get fired, but I left Jackson to

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:11.080
<v Speaker 1>come to Dallas, And when I think back about those days,

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:13.960
<v Speaker 1>it's not so much who I was working for. It

0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:16.840
<v Speaker 1>was the people that I met and was hard to

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:21.440
<v Speaker 1>leave um. And so I can imagine for him thirteen years.

0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Do you realize that's the second longest tenure of a

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Green Bay Packers coach. Wow? Only Curly Lambeau had more.

0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:33.799
<v Speaker 1>And I think he probably was the owner at the

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:38.839
<v Speaker 1>time too. They got the stadium after so, but he

0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 1>was there longer, but his thirteen years outdid Lombardi And

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:48.080
<v Speaker 1>there really no Rooney rule back then. The owner look

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:51.680
<v Speaker 1>at George Hollis, right, you know, but when when you know,

0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and that's never lost on me, is how the people

0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 1>done just football players and athletes. Yeah, you know, everybody's

0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:00.960
<v Speaker 1>got this story man, right, and this impactful. I mean,

0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:02.719
<v Speaker 1>you have to move, you have to pick up how

0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 1>many times we talked about this? How many times have

0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 1>you had to change jobs? I mean that's just too

0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:09.279
<v Speaker 1>many times in your life that you've had to do that.

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:12.400
<v Speaker 1>So I never look at athletes as anyone specially it

0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 1>had to go through that because everyone's story. To me, man,

0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:18.200
<v Speaker 1>it kind of it makes you what you are right now.

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Whatever you went through, that's why you who you are

0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 1>right now. That's why we got mixed shots right now,

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:25.319
<v Speaker 1>that's right, because you had to go through that crap

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:27.400
<v Speaker 1>you had to go through. And what I'm saying something,

0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:30.920
<v Speaker 1>everybody's got that story that that motivates them. I had

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:36.759
<v Speaker 1>one forced leaving in one basically terminated, right, and I

0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 1>was like, okay, I'll go back and show that and

0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 1>you're still here, damn right, And I was my motivation,

0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:43.799
<v Speaker 1>that's right, And that's the feeling you got. One was

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:46.319
<v Speaker 1>like just making things miserable, and it was the best

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:48.799
<v Speaker 1>thing to happen because it gave me the motivation to

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:56.080
<v Speaker 1>move on and see which one from Columbia, Missouri, Jackson, Mississippi,

0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:58.239
<v Speaker 1>but see that there's the anger there, but that you

0:44:58.280 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't take that anger didn't defeat you. You're using this fuel.

0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 1>It was my motivation. That's it. And by the way,

0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:08.200
<v Speaker 1>and nine, I don't know if I showed him, but

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:12.759
<v Speaker 1>well you're still here. You showed yourself. That's by the way.

0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:17.640
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety, when Everson Walls returned to Dallas and

0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:20.640
<v Speaker 1>the Giants were victorious in that second game of the season,

0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 1>what happened at the end of that season. Everson Walls

0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:27.920
<v Speaker 1>walked off the field victorious in the Super Bowl. And

0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:31.279
<v Speaker 1>so if history can play out with Mike mccarthur the

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:35.279
<v Speaker 1>same way, you got me right, I'm setting I'm getting

0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:40.520
<v Speaker 1>right now. I think I think Bill's got his pick

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:46.359
<v Speaker 1>and pick click. It's going to be he's gonna pull

0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 1>the strings, you know what we need to do. Maybe tomorrow.

0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, we're at the halfway point of this season. Yeah, right,

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:58.439
<v Speaker 1>basically right now unofficial, I mean halftime of the game

0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:01.600
<v Speaker 1>on Sunday, I mean the exact half the other night.

0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Think about where the Packers are, where the Bucks are.

0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I think the Packers were my team to represent the

0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:09.759
<v Speaker 1>NFC in the Super Bowl at the beginning of the year.

0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:14.560
<v Speaker 1>We need to at the halfway point pick who's going

0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:18.120
<v Speaker 1>to be in that Super Bowl. And it is not

0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:22.600
<v Speaker 1>easy coming up with a team from the NFC, No,

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 1>it's not. I think we need to refine it a

0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:30.799
<v Speaker 1>little bit better than that. Like who's the favorite right now? Well,

0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 1>the Eagles would be the favorite right now? Team yeah,

0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:38.440
<v Speaker 1>right right, and yeah, yeah yeah yeah, so and you

0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and we look at because it's the halfway point. Yeah,

0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the Cowboys are sitting there six and two

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:46.960
<v Speaker 1>and the coach that was on the hot seat and

0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:51.200
<v Speaker 1>right now in the freezer now and okay, let's do

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:53.200
<v Speaker 1>it even more than that. Let's not just not just that,

0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:57.880
<v Speaker 1>but how about the MVP right now in the in

0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 1>the I like it. I like it, and then you know,

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 1>at the halfway point and then we'll figure it out

0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:05.440
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the season. Just how things changed.

0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:09.279
<v Speaker 1>But even the AFC, now, Josh Allen's hurt. I mean,

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:13.160
<v Speaker 1>this is a UCL that's a Tommy John type injury,

0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:17.000
<v Speaker 1>and so the landscape is changing in the AFC too.

0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:19.680
<v Speaker 1>That's what makes this unbelieving. The second time though, right

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:23.759
<v Speaker 1>having the problem with that, yeah, the second time elbow elbow. Yeah,

0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:27.320
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, all right, so uh and then of course

0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 1>we'll dive deep into these packers as the week goes on. Here,

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:33.960
<v Speaker 1>we've kind of done that, we might talking about the

0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 1>Cowboys and so anyway, we will shout at you again

0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:43.680
<v Speaker 1>tomorrow at noon here on Shot Cowboys. This has been

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