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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys apt now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola, and it is time for another edition
Speaker 1: of mix Shots. Here inside the SWBC podcast studio at
Speaker 1: the Beautiful Star in Frisco. Noon on a Tuesday, it
Speaker 1: is Packers week. Mickey has his Cowboys Blue star on Everson.
Speaker 1: What are you sporting today? I've got my Black College
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame all right over, which is gonna set
Speaker 1: the tone for what I want to talk all right.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear what Everson wants to talk
Speaker 1: about today. All the Packers that are in the Pro
Speaker 1: football I just read something they got twenty eight wow eight.
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys have a couple of Packers and they're
Speaker 1: in the Football Hall of Fame on them, but then
Speaker 1: they've been planned since nineteen thirty. Made the point to
Speaker 1: say that he is not a Cowboy fan. I mean add, yes,
Speaker 1: he sure did. I saw the quote and he he
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you know, well he got raised by
Speaker 1: the Packers exactly. Yeah, and that was kind of the
Speaker 1: tone of his statement. He was he won all those
Speaker 1: Super Bowl I mean or NFL Championship games with the Packers. However,
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys won their first Super Bowl in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy one, and I've got my Cowboys, how many interceptions
Speaker 1: did herb Adderly have in that nineteen seventy one season
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys won their first Super Bowl? Why don't
Speaker 1: you tell us, Bill, I'm about to tell you. He
Speaker 1: had six picks that season, four the Dallas Cowboys. And
Speaker 1: now he's dissing on the Cowboys. Yeah, he kind of
Speaker 1: he kind of, you know, kind of distance, like like
Speaker 1: I dissed the Giants. I love that Giants team, but
Speaker 1: not that Giants fans. Alright, I kind of get it
Speaker 1: did one thing for you, It did one thing for him,
Speaker 1: just like it did one thing for her. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: now he was six. That's a cute number. That's a
Speaker 1: nice cute number for interceptions. We got a nice tour
Speaker 1: behind us. I had seven and nine. So that's all
Speaker 1: he got with six a fourteen games with fourteen nine.
Speaker 1: You're gonna forced me to look up her Adderlay statistics
Speaker 1: on Pro Football Reference. In the meantime, Mickey Spagnola, Look
Speaker 1: at all this, You've got a full legal pad. These
Speaker 1: are Everson just noticed his adoring fans outside talking about myself.
Speaker 1: These are packet talking about myself. I'm distracted, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: Everson Walls. Yes, they're taking pictures of you. Everson. There
Speaker 1: you go, all right, make you what do you say?
Speaker 1: I said, I got a whole list of Packer shots
Speaker 1: here for he grew up a Packers fan. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we're not going to enjoy this too much. No, not
Speaker 1: at all surprised you don't have your Packer greening goal.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was your letter Jack. No, I don't
Speaker 1: think I think they check you out the door when't
Speaker 1: you start winning stuff like I don't think I ever had.
Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't a thing to buy stuff back then,
Speaker 1: was there? At least not in your family? Yeah, well
Speaker 1: mine either, we were all Packer fans. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was an expenditure week of afford. By the way,
Speaker 1: I'll guarantee you, um, okay, don't lose your tren So
Speaker 1: two numbers. Two numbers stood out when I was kind
Speaker 1: of looking at things. So in the Packers loss to
Speaker 1: Detroit was fifteen to nine. Aaron Rodgers quarterback rating was
Speaker 1: fifty three point five thanks to three interceptions, the other
Speaker 1: one by a team that just fired their secondary right,
Speaker 1: the other one. I mean, that's firing everyone something ones
Speaker 1: that matter. Right, We're gonna get the D line code.
Speaker 1: Oh well, what did he do? What did he do?
Speaker 1: Not the defense of No, we're gonna get you. We're
Speaker 1: going he already the defense coordinator already quick he got
Speaker 1: he got fired when Matt Rule got fired. Back to
Speaker 1: Packers and Rogers. His cap hit for this year twenty
Speaker 1: eight point five million. Next year he's guaranteed fifty nine
Speaker 1: million dollars. And the only way they get out of
Speaker 1: it is if he retires. Who didn't watch the cap hit?
Speaker 1: If he retires, Oh, the dead money. U it was
Speaker 1: going to be even more than the fifty nine guaranteed.
Speaker 1: So so a whole heap of trouble up there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's what happens. And I'm gonna bring this back
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys. And when you start signing these type
Speaker 1: of deals and then you're gonna moan that oohing, I know,
Speaker 1: well I need some wide receivers. Well, they can't afford
Speaker 1: wide receivers. They have about the same amount of cap
Speaker 1: space right now for this year as the Cowboys. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys is right at seven. There's a seven point seven million.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's That's why it's a cautionary tale for
Speaker 1: this Odell Beckham junior stuff, because what I read is
Speaker 1: he's not just looking for a prove it deal for
Speaker 1: the rest of this season. He's talking about, well, I
Speaker 1: would like to get someplace for four years and be
Speaker 1: able to buy a house and quit all this suitcase
Speaker 1: Karen stuff. Well, if he wants that, he ain't playing
Speaker 1: for cheap, right. So I mean when you start talking
Speaker 1: about a provid deal, Yeah, you start off with a
Speaker 1: proved contract, Well it's a five it's gonna be five
Speaker 1: games basically by time he's ready to play, right, and
Speaker 1: then how who knows about playoffs? Right? So yeah, so
Speaker 1: you know they're up in the anne for you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's Cowboys are interested. Okay, we're interested. I'm gonna kick
Speaker 1: that tire, but I can't afford much because next year
Speaker 1: we talked about it, right, next year Dak's base salary
Speaker 1: goes up, You're gonna have to resign U Digs you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to resign Lamb at some point if you
Speaker 1: don't want them playing in the far away. And then
Speaker 1: Carsons is coming up, right, so you gotta be careful
Speaker 1: full saying well, yeah, we're all in because we're gonna
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. Well, okay, the Packers were all
Speaker 1: in a couple of years ago when they signed Rogers,
Speaker 1: and now what kind of shaper they are? Mickey, You
Speaker 1: are a year away from Terrence Steele. Yes, yes, this
Speaker 1: is his third year. Huh, you got one more year
Speaker 1: and he's a free agent. Guess who else? Be oddish,
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm talking. You're talking about a tackle in
Speaker 1: this league, yes, okay, yes, an offensive tackle in this league.
Speaker 1: And what do offensive tackles command, even if you're the
Speaker 1: right even if you're the right tackle, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you're talking upwards of ten million dollars a year for
Speaker 1: your right and he's playing, well, he's playing well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's playing, and no one talks about that contract. It's looming.
Speaker 1: And if you look at the rest of the league,
Speaker 1: everybody's desperate for tackles, so somebody will pay them. Now,
Speaker 1: can you afford to pay them? Or you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to start from. I think the bare minimum, assuming Terrence
Speaker 1: deal is keeps playing where he's playing right now, is
Speaker 1: a three The bare minimum would be a three year,
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars. Yeah, that's what I had in my
Speaker 1: mind when you brought it up. Yeah, so you got
Speaker 1: to be careful how you spend your money. You know.
Speaker 1: I had some cowboy fan said, well, I'm all in,
Speaker 1: just spend what you got to spend this year and
Speaker 1: try to win the super Bowl. And then I said,
Speaker 1: and then you're good for ten years of you know,
Speaker 1: maybe losing records like happening to some teams, or what
Speaker 1: if you spend all that money and you don't win
Speaker 1: the super Bowl and then you don't have money going forward.
Speaker 1: So I just think you have to be realistic about
Speaker 1: this stuff. You know, when you start talking about having
Speaker 1: that much money available, how much you have available? And
Speaker 1: I brought up yesterday. I brought this up yesterday. So
Speaker 1: in the offseason, there's no more quarterbacks, you know, high play,
Speaker 1: high paid players donating to the to the Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're taking as much money. They don't do that. They
Speaker 1: don't do that. Now do we do this? Is that
Speaker 1: in the makings? I mean because Rogers extension or three
Speaker 1: year deal that he resigned was three years, one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty million, forty point eight signing bonus. That means
Speaker 1: million fifty one hundred and fifty point eight guaranteed and
Speaker 1: one hundred and one point million guaranteed at signing. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he wasn't thinking about the team, right, He didn't consider
Speaker 1: that we got any money to pay a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: We can't keep DeVante items no matter if you're mad
Speaker 1: or not, we just don't have the finances to do it.
Speaker 1: And not only that, his his offseason h participation was minimal, right,
Speaker 1: and that didn't help when it came to having the
Speaker 1: lack of receivers with I can experience and you you know,
Speaker 1: trying to get accustomed to how they play and having
Speaker 1: a rapport. You're going to have to raise young guys
Speaker 1: because it's not just this show not to address that
Speaker 1: much in the it's down the line. These are what
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to go with, you know. They signed
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb and it wasn't that much. It was like
Speaker 1: he I think his base salary was two million dollars
Speaker 1: for a veteran like that. Well, unfortunately now he's on
Speaker 1: ir so, um, you know, they kind of made it,
Speaker 1: and he helped make that bed right now that they're
Speaker 1: in this three and six so can he can he
Speaker 1: remedy that in the off season by helping uh donate
Speaker 1: to the cause. He would have to restructure significantly, but
Speaker 1: usually when you're your structure, you're getting paid some as
Speaker 1: a restructure bonus and you kind of move keep moving
Speaker 1: it down to kick that can down the road. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't get any less expensive. Well, he'll be
Speaker 1: retiring he turns thirty nine next year. Yeah, So I mean,
Speaker 1: does that sound feasible for thirty nine year old Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback highest paid right to go into a
Speaker 1: situation like that this next offseason? Okay, this is my
Speaker 1: last special coming off of three and fourteen? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh I was reading there right now, not much optimism.
Speaker 1: I mean I was coming off a year like we
Speaker 1: anticipate him coming off of. Does that both well for
Speaker 1: a thirty nine year old future Hall of Fame quarterback
Speaker 1: to go into a situation where I'm going to restructure
Speaker 1: my stuff for this one last or one last time years? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Does that does that sound feasible to you? No? Because
Speaker 1: if you're restructuring it, you're still what you said, kicking
Speaker 1: the money down the road. So at some point, you know,
Speaker 1: he may not get it, but the Packers are going
Speaker 1: to have to account for it, um, you know, and
Speaker 1: they were. I was reading the Milwaukee Journal in the
Speaker 1: Green Bay Press Cuizette, and there was already columns about
Speaker 1: you know what if they it's like every game going forward,
Speaker 1: it's almost a playoff game for him right now, and
Speaker 1: that in twenty twenty three you have to consider, you know,
Speaker 1: you're going to blow it up to start over in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, at only nine games into the season,
Speaker 1: they're already writing up there about blowing it up. And
Speaker 1: that's usually not a real aggressive media corps up there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying they're fans, because I have
Speaker 1: a you know, decent guy friends with that has been
Speaker 1: covering them at the Milwaukee Journal for years. But they're
Speaker 1: just being straightforward. And you know, look, if you look
Speaker 1: at their their pattern in the last three or four years,
Speaker 1: the team and Rodgers have not been either eye on
Speaker 1: pretty much anything. Well, you know what was funny somebody
Speaker 1: and I haven't found the story yet, but somebody said
Speaker 1: and we had him on last time to boys played
Speaker 1: the Packers. Remember Tom Silverstein. Um, he had written a
Speaker 1: story pointing out that you know how um everybody was
Speaker 1: writing at the end for Mike McCarthy up there in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen that he and Aaron Rodgers weren't seeing eye
Speaker 1: to eye. Well, he wrote a story just recently how
Speaker 1: Rogers and Matt l Lafleur aren't seeing ida. I don't
Speaker 1: think Rodgers ever sees either eye with anyone, right, yeah. So,
Speaker 1: uh so that that's already cropped up right, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: and yesterday and we'll get into the things Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: said about going back. But you know, he kind of
Speaker 1: once again and kind of defended the relationship with Aaron Rodgers, saying,
Speaker 1: you know, he enjoyed the conversations. They had their meetings
Speaker 1: on Monday, and he said we usually ended with a
Speaker 1: hug and I love you, you know, and it's like, whoakay, hey,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. This is one thing that
Speaker 1: I have all as a defensive back. I guess I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit discriminatory because I hear things who are
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are always being am I using were placated towards
Speaker 1: I mean, we just kiss their butts over and over again.
Speaker 1: And don't ask a wide receiver to say anything bad
Speaker 1: about any quarterback, oh man, because he wants to get touches,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get front. So you know, to me, it's
Speaker 1: like it's like, you know, a taboo subject to talk about.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like talking about race relationships. When you're
Speaker 1: talking about Aaron Rodgers are talking to a quarterback because
Speaker 1: all they want to do is just make sure he's happy.
Speaker 1: Don't say anything to upset the apple cart, and we'll
Speaker 1: be fine. And that is not the case, especially when
Speaker 1: you have someone that's combative, as saying Aaron Rodgers. These
Speaker 1: last three four years, it has been I'm over here,
Speaker 1: you guys handling your business. I'll come in when I'm ready,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be because I am Aaron Rodgers. And
Speaker 1: to me, that is not a that's that's what you
Speaker 1: do with tennis players. That is not a team sport,
Speaker 1: is not a team sport attitude. And we give these quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: and yes I'm speaking strictly at quarterbacks, we give them
Speaker 1: too much leeway and too much benefit of the down.
Speaker 1: So real quickly, I know we're gonna run by h No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you covered it. Then I can add to that. You
Speaker 1: nailed it. You absolutely nailed it. But I was going
Speaker 1: to say, and they're in this situation and now they've
Speaker 1: got injuries. Yeah, they lose Rashaun Gary. They're leading sack
Speaker 1: guy had six in the first six games and he
Speaker 1: hadn't had any sense, but he tore his ACL so
Speaker 1: he's done. There was a linebacker, Yeah, I saw that
Speaker 1: the other night that their cornerbacks Eric Stokes has an
Speaker 1: ankle and knee and he left the game on Sunday
Speaker 1: in a walking boot and crutches, so that doesn't seem
Speaker 1: bode well for him. Their wide receiver Romeo is it Dobbs?
Speaker 1: Is that how they pronounced it. He's a rookie, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: he's got a high ankle sprain, so he's out a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks at at least. Right. Their other rookie
Speaker 1: wide receiver, Christian Watson, was big on Bill's list. He
Speaker 1: had suffered, he had he had suffered a concussion, He
Speaker 1: had to miss a game. He came back this pass
Speaker 1: game and he got knocked out of the game. They
Speaker 1: said it wasn't a concussion, but he couldn't finish the game,
Speaker 1: so they're saying he might be back this week. And
Speaker 1: then running back keep going, and running back Aaron Jones
Speaker 1: left the game with a knee and they're saying, and
Speaker 1: he didn't return, they're saying he has a chance to
Speaker 1: come back. And the backup running back DILLONJ. Dillon, how's
Speaker 1: he doing because I think he can play because he
Speaker 1: had a running in with someone doing the game and
Speaker 1: it was it wasn't pretty. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he wasn't on the list that Lafleur went over. Run okay,
Speaker 1: and Aaron Jones sounds like he's going. Yeah, they think
Speaker 1: he has a chance to get back. Yes, so they've
Speaker 1: got their in not only losing five straight. How does
Speaker 1: that happen to the teams that always have problems winning,
Speaker 1: they always have a lot of injuries. It seems yeah,
Speaker 1: well maybe that was my temperature to keep going up.
Speaker 1: That sounds about right, sound about right. And I was
Speaker 1: laughing about Christian Watson because we and Mickey's Mickey's acting
Speaker 1: like he wasn't on. No, I was. I liked what
Speaker 1: I saw I did, so I was a lot in
Speaker 1: until the first play of the season when he dropped
Speaker 1: at a judgment. Oh yeah, yes, that guy Okay, I
Speaker 1: mean that was the turning point, the turning point of
Speaker 1: the Packers season. I think I know it was the
Speaker 1: first series, might have been the first play of the season,
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers hit this guy in stride right in
Speaker 1: the hands, and it took me right back to draft
Speaker 1: day when I was touting this guy. And supposedly producers
Speaker 1: Supreme can vouch for this. Uh, there are scouts around
Speaker 1: the league who said, no, that guy can't catch. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what happens though at that time. You you know,
Speaker 1: unless you watch all the games, you see the highlights
Speaker 1: and you're going on, this guy's pretty big, and somebody
Speaker 1: in the scouting department said, well, he is what we saw.
Speaker 1: He was very inconsistent catching the ball. He has a
Speaker 1: chance still to be a really good well cha Chase, Chase.
Speaker 1: He had problems, yeah, coming out of college and in
Speaker 1: preseason last year, and then all of a sudden they
Speaker 1: started catching everything in sight. You can't always go by that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the drops kind of get pushed through the side in college, right,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, look at the yards, look at
Speaker 1: the catch. And Watson has had some injury issues the
Speaker 1: first half of the season. You know, you can't be
Speaker 1: as a wide receiver. You can't be, you know, fifty
Speaker 1: fifty like I'll catch another thing on you can bat
Speaker 1: and it's really good. And I always say you can't
Speaker 1: bat five hundred. In the journalism business, you can't be
Speaker 1: fifty fifty intelligent right or wrong? Right? And the other
Speaker 1: thing on Watson in the defense of us who thought
Speaker 1: that he had some potential in the league, the emphasis
Speaker 1: was on the potential in the league, not as a
Speaker 1: guy who could come in because he I think he
Speaker 1: may have just had like thirty eight catches in college
Speaker 1: in North Dakota State. They didn't throw the ball much,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, you see how the North Dakota
Speaker 1: State quarterbacks are doing in the league, right, ye? Come on,
Speaker 1: but Carson Wentz, Yeah, yeah, that will you. I and
Speaker 1: c that's good. And Trey Lance out in San Francisco,
Speaker 1: that's er you're referring to. All right. I would get
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Speaker 1: to do it now, because we are on a roll.
Speaker 1: I really want to know what the Runey rule. M
Speaker 1: How was that applied towards this Indianapolis Colts signing or
Speaker 1: hiring of Jeff Saturday, because sounds like to me that
Speaker 1: was just like like a good old boy situation going
Speaker 1: on up there. I don't think it applies to interim. Interim,
Speaker 1: that's what it is, okay, because you don't have time
Speaker 1: to do a search during the middle of the season
Speaker 1: sometime most candidates are under contract elsewhere. Yeah, would you
Speaker 1: consider that a loophole? No, because I bet it's just
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season. So what if he
Speaker 1: does well, well, then then they need to have then
Speaker 1: your full search regardless. So they will not be allowed
Speaker 1: necessarily just paper stamping to just say, hey, you we
Speaker 1: want he want out. Let's say he has a one
Speaker 1: record on the way out, we want you for next year.
Speaker 1: I think they have to go through They have to
Speaker 1: go through the process. Now. They can't just say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't need anybody else. Well you know what I
Speaker 1: mean to research that. It's like what did the Cowboys
Speaker 1: do with Jason when they elevated him to coach and
Speaker 1: then they signed him to twenty ten. But Jason was
Speaker 1: a coach the staff, right, they have basically even though
Speaker 1: he was he was coaching high school Catholic sports or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was the NFL. They technically went outside the organization
Speaker 1: to hire this interim by what do you mean by
Speaker 1: Catholic sports? Yeah, that was Yeah, I guess that did
Speaker 1: kind of make a sound little private derogatory, right, And
Speaker 1: I don't know and I don't know if he actually
Speaker 1: he he wasn't currently the private school coach. Yeah. Why
Speaker 1: was that even mentioned? Because experience? Right now? I think no,
Speaker 1: he wasn't saying that was his coach. I thought he
Speaker 1: was going to have to retire from coaching the high
Speaker 1: school team. Okay, he didn't walk away from so he
Speaker 1: does have coaching. He does have coach experience. Experience. Wow,
Speaker 1: I stand corrected, and go back to I stand corrected. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I tried a private school. You know what Doug Peterson
Speaker 1: when he before he was hired by now, he wasn't
Speaker 1: hired as a head coach right out right from the
Speaker 1: private school in Louisiana where he was coaching, but he
Speaker 1: was after he retired from the NFL. And he's probably
Speaker 1: his kids got probably the same thing Jason Witten's doing
Speaker 1: at Liberty Christian in ar here, where he coached at
Speaker 1: a private school in Louisiana. I don't remember how many years,
Speaker 1: three or four years, and then the Eagles hired him,
Speaker 1: I think as an assistant and then he eventually became
Speaker 1: the head coach there. So so if you have a
Speaker 1: if you if you search for him interim coach just
Speaker 1: for lack of time, you can just go eat any
Speaker 1: by the end, there we are candidates right here that
Speaker 1: come on, yeah, thank you, come on, wisdom. Arizona did
Speaker 1: it with Steve Wilkes when whoever got fired in Arizona
Speaker 1: and he was the interim, well he came to head
Speaker 1: the full time head coach. Done it? Now? Where did
Speaker 1: it come from? What was his Carola? Carolina, Carolina now
Speaker 1: but in Arizona, Carolina before going the Arizona What was
Speaker 1: he before he became the Arizona's interim coach? Wasn't he
Speaker 1: a him there? Or the day? He's the interim in
Speaker 1: Carolina right now right now, but not in Arizona and Arizona.
Speaker 1: What was his his background before he became interim No,
Speaker 1: he's saying he wasn't interim Carizona, I thought taken from
Speaker 1: that and once again, even he had NFL experience, whether
Speaker 1: he was see he defensive. Once again, you know this
Speaker 1: is different here. I mean everything you're bringing up, it's
Speaker 1: almost close to protocol. But you can just hire anyone.
Speaker 1: When I say anyone, we are candidates the Cowboys. Cowboys
Speaker 1: could do the same with Jason Witten if they wanted to.
Speaker 1: So they need or Mickey Spagnola in regards to the ruining,
Speaker 1: in regards to the ruining rule and really how it's applied,
Speaker 1: that to me is almost the loophole. You know that.
Speaker 1: That is a great example. Okay, I'm not obviously the
Speaker 1: things are going great here right now. But Jason, now,
Speaker 1: Jason Witten is actually coaching right now. And I don't
Speaker 1: know how long Saturday coached at this private school till Sunday.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, But but if Yucky I got you,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to stay yeah, I'm trying to stay focusing ahead. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Witton and Saturday are that those are two of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very similar situations. Like if ever three years from now,
Speaker 1: four years from now, Jerry was looking for an interim
Speaker 1: head coach, Whitten would be a prime candidate and that
Speaker 1: is BS. I mean, I love Witten. And once again,
Speaker 1: everyone talks about what a great guy Saturday is because
Speaker 1: I see him on TV. Everybody loves he's smart, He's yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a great guy. You know, he was a sener
Speaker 1: for Peyton Manning, so he knew the game. He knows
Speaker 1: the game very well. But you know, this is to
Speaker 1: me a very convenient loophole for the NFL. Well, you
Speaker 1: could be hired as the room once again, let's be
Speaker 1: realistic here, okay, because it just to me that's something
Speaker 1: that really needs to be addressed. Let's say a coach
Speaker 1: gets gets fired on in week two and then you
Speaker 1: bring in an interim, and that interim is someone who
Speaker 1: clearly should not be be coaching. Well, here's a sort
Speaker 1: of a parallel. It's not a coach, but it's a
Speaker 1: GM John Lynch was hired from the broadcast both to
Speaker 1: become the San Francisco and who was doing a great job.
Speaker 1: But it's not that's not it's not about after the fact.
Speaker 1: It's the practice. Is the high having practices that should
Speaker 1: be adhered to from the beginning, And when you start
Speaker 1: talking about interrim coach, to me, that ain't nothing but
Speaker 1: a loophole. So Jeff said, He's like, Okay, I can't
Speaker 1: find anybody out there that really would be a qualified
Speaker 1: head coach head coaching candidate. Since I'm consulting you, guys,
Speaker 1: why don't you just go ahead and pay me that
Speaker 1: two plus meal or whatever they're paying it. Well, did
Speaker 1: they talk about how much he's being paid? You would
Speaker 1: you would have broad because we're talking money here, guy.
Speaker 1: Did they talk about how much money he got paid for?
Speaker 1: It has to I'm sure they've agreed on something already
Speaker 1: because he is now the interim head coach, so it's
Speaker 1: been agreed upon. Your broadcast experience on the podcast would
Speaker 1: be experienced, right. See, but I'm waiting, Jerry. You know
Speaker 1: I could be assistant head coach with right now. I
Speaker 1: could be that that gown his shoulder every once in
Speaker 1: a while. You know, I could do that. So No,
Speaker 1: I just think it's something that as we look at it, Uh,
Speaker 1: it can be a problem because now this interim head coach,
Speaker 1: even though he was never qualified to be an interim
Speaker 1: head coach, if he does well, which would be great
Speaker 1: for him, then it almost kind of gives him a
Speaker 1: head start in regards to next year's position. Do you understand? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that to me should be addressed in the Rooney rule.
Speaker 1: I've got to intrim head coaches should be addressed in
Speaker 1: the Ruoney. Go ahead, Okay, I've got cleared up on
Speaker 1: Jeff Saturday. In his previous coaching experience at Catholic school,
Speaker 1: this little lightness which otherwise notice hebrun Christian Academy, Georgia.
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, twenty seventeen he became the head
Speaker 1: coach there, and he was there seventeen eighteen nineteen, three
Speaker 1: years and then he resigned. He had a twenty and
Speaker 1: sixteen record to make the playoffs. Every year he won
Speaker 1: three playoff games. So there you go. There's this coaching experience.
Speaker 1: So I mean, now we're talking about you know, John Lynch,
Speaker 1: who first of all, doing a great job, great guy,
Speaker 1: great jobs, smart as hell. You know, San Francisco is
Speaker 1: doing well because of him. How he got hired Still
Speaker 1: we don't know how or why. Number one, we don't
Speaker 1: even want to talk about Kingsbury. We don't even want
Speaker 1: to talk about that. This guy got fired. Right, you
Speaker 1: talked about falling uphill and getting a job in the NFL.
Speaker 1: It's about to fall again. Yeah, he's about to fall
Speaker 1: in there, right on out of there. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just really something that should be buttoned down in
Speaker 1: the Rooney Rule. It really should be I think it
Speaker 1: needs to be revitalized or I don't know, sometimes somehow
Speaker 1: retooled to where it's more effective, because it's really not
Speaker 1: as effective as it should be, especially when you're talking
Speaker 1: about this loophole. This is a loophole that I'm sure
Speaker 1: some teams are aware that is there in the Rooney
Speaker 1: Rule when you're talking about into them coaches. But it's
Speaker 1: it's a temporary higher how temporary not just temporary, but temporarily. Uh, yes,
Speaker 1: get bread. We're talking money here, man. You throw away
Speaker 1: money to a guy who coach even barely five hundred
Speaker 1: in high school. Speaking of throwing away money, did you
Speaker 1: see how much Frank Reich's making sitting on his couch
Speaker 1: after they fired him. Yeah, he's making two hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a week till twenty twenty six. Oh damn, wow?
Speaker 1: How much is Matt rulemaking about that much? Wow? That's
Speaker 1: better than a pension? Wow? Yeah, two hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a week till twenty twenty six. I read and so
Speaker 1: when you're talking about it an organization as the NFL,
Speaker 1: and how the most popular game in town, Let's just
Speaker 1: be real. Baseball basketball can't compare, and you're just letting
Speaker 1: them throw away money like this, just throw it around.
Speaker 1: To me, that needs to be addressed, because it's like
Speaker 1: you don't care that this guy is not qualified at
Speaker 1: all and you're just throwing him millions of dollars. I
Speaker 1: know he's getting at least two meals. And to me,
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Speaker 1: Nice Okay, Everson, You're gonna love this segment. Okay, We're
Speaker 1: talking about going home. We're talking about Mike McCarthy his
Speaker 1: press conference yesterday. He's going back to Green Bay. Okay, Mickey,
Speaker 1: tell us fill us in on your thoughts on Mike.
Speaker 1: When he was asked about going home, well, I'm going
Speaker 1: there to win, you know, And he stayed with it.
Speaker 1: And the other thing that the players got out of
Speaker 1: it was he said that you should go back and
Speaker 1: reflect on what you did that was home, that helped
Speaker 1: propelled to where you are today. And it kind of
Speaker 1: stuck with some of the players. I think Tyler Smith
Speaker 1: was really good about it. He said, yeah, sitting here
Speaker 1: and thinking where I came from and what I did
Speaker 1: and now I'm starting in the NFL, I reflect on
Speaker 1: what got me here. Uh. And then they kept probing
Speaker 1: at him, and at one point he said, this is BS.
Speaker 1: You're just trying to get me to cry. He was
Speaker 1: about to cry, right, he got. He got emotional, got
Speaker 1: he talked about his daughter was born there, daughters grew
Speaker 1: up there, and then that's when he still have their
Speaker 1: place there, and that's when he started. And then he
Speaker 1: had to do this. You can tell the tears were
Speaker 1: tears welling, and then he had to hit the podium
Speaker 1: recomposed man. Yeah, yeah, but it was, you know, and
Speaker 1: I understand cool, you know, And that's was one of
Speaker 1: the questions I was going to talk about you, because
Speaker 1: I don't think you had much remorse maybe. Oh wait, wait,
Speaker 1: that's where I wanted to go. All right, so don't
Speaker 1: let me stick Bill stop. Yeah, yeah, it's spoiled it
Speaker 1: I was about. I was about to say, do we
Speaker 1: know of anyone who was let go unceremoniously at a
Speaker 1: place and then came back and then back. I don't
Speaker 1: know of anyone like that. One thing I can say,
Speaker 1: as we move on to the obvious, one thing I
Speaker 1: can say is mine was more of an anchor revenge,
Speaker 1: you know, so I didn't have time to get emotion.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety when the schedule came out, was there
Speaker 1: a game that you circled on the schedule? Of course,
Speaker 1: it was the second game of the year, but one
Speaker 1: of them, the first one was the second game of
Speaker 1: the season, and it was at Texas Stadium coming home.
Speaker 1: Foreverson Walter, I'm gonna get my licks in right now
Speaker 1: because from what I heard, Jimmy Johnson wrote the book,
Speaker 1: and I'm interview any tomorrow. So I'm sure he got
Speaker 1: some bass in there. I gotta I just got my
Speaker 1: copy yesterday in the mail, and and uh, interviewing tomorrow morning.
Speaker 1: Is there something you'd like me to ask? Damn, you
Speaker 1: can ask you. I need a copy of the Boy,
Speaker 1: but no, uh, yeah, my whole thing was And speaking
Speaker 1: of Jimmy, yeah it was. It was all about coming back,
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't need much motivation, but I knew
Speaker 1: that it would be sweet to come back and not
Speaker 1: just kick the cowboys, but but to get to let
Speaker 1: him know what he already knew. Yeah, that that, you
Speaker 1: know when it was one of those premeditive examples exactly,
Speaker 1: and I did not like. I didn't like being used
Speaker 1: as an exact. I was here before you were here.
Speaker 1: No one knew of Jimmy Johnson. I was born here,
Speaker 1: you understand. So for him to come in try to
Speaker 1: make all these arrangements and stuff I was really didn't appreciate.
Speaker 1: And that's what I brought back with me to it.
Speaker 1: But you want to make sure that your anger doesn't
Speaker 1: overwhelm you, right, you want your anger to be to
Speaker 1: be fuel, but you will still want to be poised.
Speaker 1: And everything you did, and I had a hell of
Speaker 1: a game that game interception. Of course, come on, that's
Speaker 1: what I do. You were what you weren't out, You
Speaker 1: weren't out on the field gritting your teeth and going, okay,
Speaker 1: it's in your preparations probably right, like I gotta be
Speaker 1: prepared for this. But the funny thing is after the game.
Speaker 1: You know, Jimmy's so emotional man, that's well, that's his
Speaker 1: strength and his problem is his emotion. And so he
Speaker 1: felt somehow that he had to come in and shake
Speaker 1: my hand first before he shook plus Sal's hand after
Speaker 1: the game. And you know, I took that as a
Speaker 1: matter of respect but also somewhat regret from him, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe I did screw up man. You know, that's why
Speaker 1: he was trying to catch up with me here lately
Speaker 1: and finally caught up with me and apologized for cutting me.
Speaker 1: Oh really, oh he did, And he said he had
Speaker 1: a couple of other apologies as well. He said they
Speaker 1: never should have gotten rid of Jack del Wiel as
Speaker 1: well when he let both of us go. He said
Speaker 1: I should have stayed as safety and helped the young
Speaker 1: guys in that secondary. And he also said that Jack
Speaker 1: Deliel should have hung around and helped with those young
Speaker 1: linebackers as well. Well. He would have been the best linebacker,
Speaker 1: right because he went through ninety one del Rio if
Speaker 1: I remember, and he would have been better than Robert Jones,
Speaker 1: who they drafted in the first round and probably regretted
Speaker 1: it didn't get a second contract. Right. But Jimmy had
Speaker 1: a way of trying to send messages through some of
Speaker 1: his actions. Yeah, and he's still trying to send messages
Speaker 1: publicly about me, which I don't appreciate at all because
Speaker 1: he's rewriting history in regards to our encounters. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure the book will have something to say about that.
Speaker 1: I can't. I played in my book as well. So
Speaker 1: he has a chance to fire back. That's his thing,
Speaker 1: he has that right, But we all we both know
Speaker 1: the truth, Jimmy. And by the way, and this if
Speaker 1: this works out for McCarthy the way it did for
Speaker 1: Everson going home, all right, Giants won that game over
Speaker 1: the Cowboys twenty eight to seven, and Everson had an interception.
Speaker 1: You know, they had to pick six in that game.
Speaker 1: Lauren Taylor did all right. It was so I'm going
Speaker 1: on the record already. Micah Parsons is gonna have a
Speaker 1: pick six in McCarthy's return to Green Bay. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: McCarthy did say in in the you know, he said
Speaker 1: despite they asked him about leave, you know how it ended,
Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, there was a dent in the relationship.
Speaker 1: But again, uh, it's not he made it sound like
Speaker 1: it wasn't about the Packers. It's the people that he
Speaker 1: left behind. And when I think about going from you know,
Speaker 1: and I didn't get fired, but I left Jackson to
Speaker 1: come to Dallas, And when I think back about those days,
Speaker 1: it's not so much who I was working for. It
Speaker 1: was the people that I met and was hard to
Speaker 1: leave um. And so I can imagine for him thirteen years.
Speaker 1: Do you realize that's the second longest tenure of a
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers coach. Wow? Only Curly Lambeau had more.
Speaker 1: And I think he probably was the owner at the
Speaker 1: time too. They got the stadium after so, but he
Speaker 1: was there longer, but his thirteen years outdid Lombardi And
Speaker 1: there really no Rooney rule back then. The owner look
Speaker 1: at George Hollis, right, you know, but when when you know,
Speaker 1: and that's never lost on me, is how the people
Speaker 1: done just football players and athletes. Yeah, you know, everybody's
Speaker 1: got this story man, right, and this impactful. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have to move, you have to pick up how
Speaker 1: many times we talked about this? How many times have
Speaker 1: you had to change jobs? I mean that's just too
Speaker 1: many times in your life that you've had to do that.
Speaker 1: So I never look at athletes as anyone specially it
Speaker 1: had to go through that because everyone's story. To me, man,
Speaker 1: it kind of it makes you what you are right now.
Speaker 1: Whatever you went through, that's why you who you are
Speaker 1: right now. That's why we got mixed shots right now,
Speaker 1: that's right, because you had to go through that crap
Speaker 1: you had to go through. And what I'm saying something,
Speaker 1: everybody's got that story that that motivates them. I had
Speaker 1: one forced leaving in one basically terminated, right, and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I'll go back and show that and
Speaker 1: you're still here, damn right, And I was my motivation,
Speaker 1: that's right, And that's the feeling you got. One was
Speaker 1: like just making things miserable, and it was the best
Speaker 1: thing to happen because it gave me the motivation to
Speaker 1: move on and see which one from Columbia, Missouri, Jackson, Mississippi,
Speaker 1: but see that there's the anger there, but that you
Speaker 1: didn't take that anger didn't defeat you. You're using this fuel.
Speaker 1: It was my motivation. That's it. And by the way,
Speaker 1: and nine, I don't know if I showed him, but
Speaker 1: well you're still here. You showed yourself. That's by the way.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety, when Everson Walls returned to Dallas and
Speaker 1: the Giants were victorious in that second game of the season,
Speaker 1: what happened at the end of that season. Everson Walls
Speaker 1: walked off the field victorious in the Super Bowl. And
Speaker 1: so if history can play out with Mike mccarthur the
Speaker 1: same way, you got me right, I'm setting I'm getting
Speaker 1: right now. I think I think Bill's got his pick
Speaker 1: and pick click. It's going to be he's gonna pull
Speaker 1: the strings, you know what we need to do. Maybe tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're at the halfway point of this season. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: basically right now unofficial, I mean halftime of the game
Speaker 1: on Sunday, I mean the exact half the other night.
Speaker 1: Think about where the Packers are, where the Bucks are.
Speaker 1: I think the Packers were my team to represent the
Speaker 1: NFC in the Super Bowl at the beginning of the year.
Speaker 1: We need to at the halfway point pick who's going
Speaker 1: to be in that Super Bowl. And it is not
Speaker 1: easy coming up with a team from the NFC, No,
Speaker 1: it's not. I think we need to refine it a
Speaker 1: little bit better than that. Like who's the favorite right now? Well,
Speaker 1: the Eagles would be the favorite right now? Team yeah,
Speaker 1: right right, and yeah, yeah yeah yeah, so and you
Speaker 1: and we look at because it's the halfway point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, the Cowboys are sitting there six and two
Speaker 1: and the coach that was on the hot seat and
Speaker 1: right now in the freezer now and okay, let's do
Speaker 1: it even more than that. Let's not just not just that,
Speaker 1: but how about the MVP right now in the in
Speaker 1: the I like it. I like it, and then you know,
Speaker 1: at the halfway point and then we'll figure it out
Speaker 1: at the end of the season. Just how things changed.
Speaker 1: But even the AFC, now, Josh Allen's hurt. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a UCL that's a Tommy John type injury,
Speaker 1: and so the landscape is changing in the AFC too.
Speaker 1: That's what makes this unbelieving. The second time though, right
Speaker 1: having the problem with that, yeah, the second time elbow elbow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So anyway, all right, so uh and then of course
Speaker 1: we'll dive deep into these packers as the week goes on. Here,
Speaker 1: we've kind of done that, we might talking about the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and so anyway, we will shout at you again
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