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Speaker 1: There are twenty more minutes of this. This was not

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Speaker 1: see them fall in love with Luke and Nathan. Like cool, great,

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Speaker 1: it's the it's the magic of the potential and the

426
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 1: unknown and the excitement, you know, Like that's riveting to watch.

427
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: And the reason this episode fell so flat is that

428
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: we know all that content is there, and right now

429
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: it's just like boys, boys, boys, boys boys. These boys

430
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: are tough to deal with, you know, and Luca is

431
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: being all, you know, misdirect and Nathan's picking fights to

432
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: pick fights and repeating a cycle that is frankly boring

433
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: at this point. It's boring to watch. That's what we said.

434
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: We all were just like, I'm so bored. The cycle

435
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: is boring. Dan Scott showing up with no redeeming qualities

436
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,719
Speaker 1: is boring. And sometimes what happens is when you have

437
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: different writers on every episode. What I found with my

438
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: character is that every single writer, every single visiting director,

439
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: wanted that moment of Peyton crying, right, and so you

440
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 1: just end up doing that one thing over and over again.

441
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: And I think that's what's happened with Dan. Everybody wants

442
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: to have the Dan moment, and it's just like, guys,

443
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: we've done it for three seasons, Like, show Dan doing

444
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: something king adorable? What if Dan saved a baby? What

445
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: if there was a baby character roll down the street

446
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: and then the baby you know, yeah, and then Devin

447
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: Karen could have a great joke about of course he

448
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: did you know? There could be a moment? Yes, yes,

449
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: I uh. I just think sometimes that's a it's a

450
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: pitfall of a writer's room where you've got different writers

451
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 1: on every episode because everyone's working kind of in a bubble,

452
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: and it's hard to know, like, what are you doing?

453
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: What are you doing? What are you doing? All right, Well,

454
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: I won't make Dan crazy in this episode. I'll actually

455
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: make him really likable so that it packs a punch

456
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: in your episode. I also think sometimes on a show

457
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: with a cast of this size, people will get really

458
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: focused on the thing that needs to happen, Like they

459
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: want Nathan and Haley to have this big fight because

460
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: is Nathan going to become Dan? And then because that's

461
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: such a focus, they'll get lazy with Dan or you know,

462
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: they want there to be this push and pull with Brooke,

463
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: and somebody says, well, Lucas should tease Brooke with these

464
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: mister acts where he says something that makes her feel

465
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: real bad about herself, and then he'll be like, I'm kidding,

466
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: your my favorite person. I'm obsessed with you, and it's

467
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: like a throwaway comment. But then two writers on two

468
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: different episodes here and they each do it in their

469
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: episode three times. So then you're like, well, I hate this.

470
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: Instead of it being impactful, I hate it. So I

471
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: wonder how many moments we had like that, what if

472
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: Dan was like a really good mayor what if Dan

473
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: was doing in the town that we're actually wonderful and

474
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: then it was juxtaposed by this behind closed doors stuff,

475
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: But instead it's just all slimy. Yeah, it's it's a weird.

476
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we and you know, we had twenty two episodes,

477
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: sometimes twenty four. I think, god, um, but it's funny

478
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: now when you look at how it's uh. TV shows

479
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: are twelve to thirteen episodes, you know at max sixteen,

480
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 1: but that's pretty rare um and they usually take a

481
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: long time to draw out a storyline over that period

482
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: of time. We had twenty two episodes. I don't know why.

483
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: I guess it just wasn't the thing to do. It

484
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: wasn't popular back then. We always thought we might be canceled.

485
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: So they were just like, we gotta always wrap everything

486
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: up so bad well, And I think that's a big

487
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: part of it too, is when you have that many episodes,

488
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: things do become repetitive because it's so much time to fill. Yeah,

489
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: but they can do it like it's an hour. I

490
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: mean we can always flash back to death at the fire,

491
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, were seeing with her and Keith? Or

492
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: it was shot all shaky like we're watching twenty four

493
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: or whatever was an episode of Intervention. I was like,

494
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: what is this? Like, what person is in the bed

495
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: with these two? It was very it was a very

496
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Speaker 1: disjointed episdisode. But I will say talking about it for

497
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: the last thirty two minutes. I realized there were more

498
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: highlights than we thought because we really were bored the

499
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: whole time. Okay, who else? What else happened in this episode? Rachel?

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00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: Rachel admitted designs. I liked that that was redeeming moment.

501
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: Although she had an event, she had an alternator motive.

502
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: This is the thing. We were getting to the end

503
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: of that scene, and I'm watching me and Daniel be

504
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: in these real cute little rivals who are deeply obsessed

505
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: with each other and mad about it. Like I'm a

506
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: big Rachel fan, guys, and I was like, man, look

507
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: at starting. We're cute. And then I walk away from

508
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: her and she goes, no, thank you, and I was like, wait,

509
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: what evil thing did she have planned? Dear, I genuinely

510
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: don't remember. Don't either. I think that Rachel loves you,

511
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: like I honestly think, because I remember being in high

512
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: school and not necessarily like wanting to go out with

513
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: a girl, but I remember there were girls that I

514
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: was like, I can't stop thinking about this, like this

515
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: chick is just in my brain. In my brain, Rachel's

516
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 1: got a thing where she's fixated on Brooke, and she's like,

517
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Speaker 1: I'm either going to win this girl over or I'm

518
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: going to destroy her, or I'm going to win over

519
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: her and I'm gonna win over her by destroying her

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00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: and then make her my pet. You know, like there's

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Speaker 1: there's just like kind of this sexy power thing going

522
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: on between two of you that Yeah, I like it

523
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: for sure, And I couldn't help being amused by Danielle.

524
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: And you can see it on my face. You're not

525
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: winnissed off. You're like when she admits it and I

526
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: have this like I try to talk and I get

527
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: stuck moment and I'm like, oh no, that's that's real. Yeah,

528
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: it's You're not really mad. You're trying to put the

529
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: puzzle piece together, and honestly, I think you you should

530
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: just kiss. Like you guys are super freaking cute. There's

531
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: a way, like eventually you guys start mirroring each other

532
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: and the way you wear your hair and the way

533
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: you it's so cute. You guys become roommates. I missed,

534
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: Yes that happened. Oh my god, joy. This is why

535
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, what evil thing does she does? Because I

536
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: know what's coming, but obviously not that well, it's this

537
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: show we're being made today. Brooke and Rachel would have

538
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: gotten a kiss, and I would have liked that. You

539
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: know who else Brook really likes in this episode, Uncle

540
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: Keith coming back. I ran and jumped into his arms,

541
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: like launching herself at Superman. Oh god, Sophia, when you

542
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, but your body like blocks

543
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: who you're running up to go see? So I had

544
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: because I was I really missed Craig. I don't know

545
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: what else to say. Craig. It was great that she

546
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: was back. Should the pole be? Should Brooke have been

547
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: that excited to see Uncle Keith? Should she? I liked it.

548
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: I liked what you said Hill that that that's what

549
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: you do. It's like a cute young girl thing to do.

550
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: And you know, I still do it like I want

551
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: to care about the things that you care about. I'm

552
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: gonna show that I care. It's a good girlfriend. Oh

553
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: my god, this is my boyfriend's favorite. And plus we

554
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: all really missed Craig. Yeah, we missed him a lot,

555
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: we did. Yeah. I also like that Craig. Craig was

556
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: given these jokes once once I say, you know, I'll

557
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: go sleep on my couch. You guys have time to

558
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: catch up. And Craig and Lucas leave together. He at

559
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: the Fountain had jokes two insinuate that we knew how

560
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: ridiculous the fire storyline was, and I liked that the

561
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: writers did that. Yeah, I like that they had him

562
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: poke fun at a pretty major jumping of the shark

563
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: that we did on our episode. It made me laugh.

564
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: Ye well, because it's just it doesn't feel like part

565
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: of our show. It's still doesn't like it's so out

566
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: of left field, like someone tried to murder Dan and

567
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: then he won the mayoral election. Like it's all just

568
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: so extra and there's no and Dan's still showing up

569
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: at like random gym's. He's everywhere. And I like the

570
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: new gym because I think one of the problems our

571
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: show gets into is that it's the success curse. If

572
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: every kid on the show is like the best at something,

573
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: and everyone's successful at everything and everything shiny and winning,

574
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: it loses its relatability with our audience. And so so

575
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: taking the kids out of the fancy gym and putting

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Speaker 1: them in a gym that actually looks more like some

577
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: of the schools. You know that I grew up around

578
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: the schools I grew up around. We're all built like

579
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: in the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies. You know, there was

580
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: nothing that was shiny and happy. Um. And so remember

581
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: that Jim that was out where was that that was

582
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: out of something? For the reason that we got kicked

583
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: to that gym is that it was actually basketball season

584
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: for the real high school, and like we just couldn't

585
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: film there anymore. We got to find an alternate place.

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00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: For years, they said they were just going to build

587
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: a court on the stage, right. I don't know why

588
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: they didn't because because they kept threatening to cancel us.

589
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: That's why. I mean, it's great. It brought in revenue

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00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: for the city, um, and for the schools. I'm sure,

591
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: so that's always a good thing. Yea. But yeah, I

592
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think we needed to we need

593
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: to bring it back down to earth a little bit.

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00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: It was it was becoming a lot dynasty. We had

595
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: to get into Whitey's crap hole. Oh god, what did

596
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: he say, scrawl out of my crap hole? What did

597
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: lion get out of my crap hole? Danny and I

598
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: was like, did anybody think about what it sounded like

599
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: when they put it on a page? Berry committed man

600
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: Berry committed and you could see how amused he was

601
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: by it, a little twinkle in his eye. Oh my god. Well, guys,

602
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: we have we have managed to fill up thirty five

603
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: minutes of time miraculously. But we have we have something

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00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: exciting because you guys will remember, sir, for our listeners,

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00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: we did a contest and we invited you all to

606
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: listen back to Old Drama Queen's episodes and answer questions

607
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: that we asked you that you could only the answer

608
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: from listening to our episodes, not from anything online. And

609
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: so we uh found a winner. And here's what she's won.

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00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: She gets a zoom with the Drama Queens with all

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00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: of us hello, and we're gonna talk with her in

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00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: a second. She gets a trip to Wilmington, North Carolina,

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00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: which includes round trip airfare domestically for the winner and

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00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: one guest, a tonight hotel stay at a five dllar

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00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: Visa gift card, and we're probably going to throw in

616
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: a couple of our favorite places to let her know,

617
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: like a little list of all of our favorite places

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00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: to go to. So can we please bring her in?

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to welcome Amanda Dorch. Hey, Amanda, are

620
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: you there. Hello. Hi, You're an honorary drama queen. All. Hello. Hello.

621
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to play it so cool

622
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: and then I'll freak out. We never played cool. Where

623
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: are you from, Amanda? Hi, I'm from Detraite, Michigan. That's

624
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: my only way from home. Amanda. I'm like, we're so

625
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: honored that you spent the time to listen to our

626
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: show and take the notes and find all these I'm

627
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: just so grateful. Thank you. Oh my goodness, thank you' all.

628
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: It was so funny. When the Scavenger Hunt was dropped.

629
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yeah, these are great questions. It's

630
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: hard on behalf of the fandom, y'all de greet, but

631
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: it was. It was awesome. So thank you all just

632
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: for the opportunity. I appreciate it. Yeah. Have you ever

633
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,959
Speaker 1: been to Wilmington's before? Never? And it's so funny because

634
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: my sister and I we have been talking about it.

635
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Speaker 1: You're like, we have to get down there. She she's

636
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: my who I watched with and we listened together, and

637
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: so it was y'all announced the podcast or announced the

638
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: Scavenger Hunt the day before her eighteenth birthday, and so

639
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: we were like if it's miss if he is meant

640
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: to be, so she's gonna go this swome sweet. So wait, wait,

641
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: what are you the most excited to see? Because it's

642
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: going to be your first time? So do you have

643
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: a list of where you all want to go? So yes,

644
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: we have. We have of course all the landmark places

645
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: and then like we were avid listeners to the podcast

646
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: and so we've been like taking notes on where you

647
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: all say, and like we're really excited to eat of course,

648
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: and so so we're, um, yeah, we we have a

649
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: little list, but of course you want all of y'all's

650
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: recommendations all over again. And we definitely said we wanted

651
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: to go to resays. We definitely said that we wanted

652
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: to go, um just all the trademarks, all the houses

653
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: we were talking about, all the little trinkets that we're

654
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: going to pick up where the people. So we're like, okay, yeah,

655
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: we'll find some cute stuff, Sody, Okay, So what are

656
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: our top recommendations we're gonna send you. We're gonna set

657
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: you up please, yes, because we can this a lot.

658
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, I'm going to I've got forty eight hours.

659
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: What do I do? We all know my first two.

660
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: You have to go to get tacos at Tower seven

661
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: at Beach. It's just so good and it's also local.

662
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: That is so such a standard staple Wilmington's thing to do. Yeah, yeah,

663
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 1: it's it's such a good vibe and it's fun because

664
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: whether you go for lunch or dinner, you can go

665
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: for a walk on the beach. There's like, there's so

666
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: many just cute things to see out at Writsville. And

667
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: then you've got to go when you do the downtown,

668
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: like the waterfront where Nathan gives Hayley her charm bracelet,

669
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: and where are you know all of our little stores

670
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: where our record shop was. You have to go to

671
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: kill Ones for ice cream. My personal favorite is a

672
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: Chilcot chip cookie. Though I don't know what you're jam is,

673
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: but if you get it, get it in a waffle cone,

674
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: you're welcome. I love the Catalan. I always used to

675
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: go there and just because you could always get a

676
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: great glass of wine and you just sit on the

677
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: on the water. Um. So it depends on what time

678
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: of when are you going. Do you know still open

679
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I don't know, is it I don't know,

680
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: open the River Walk is open for sure, Okay, So

681
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: we're still talking about it. We haven't decided on the date.

682
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: So we've been working with your team and they've been amazing.

683
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: Just they are. I was like, oh my gosh, yeah

684
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: because they saw my original freak out, so shout out

685
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: to them. And so, um, we were talking about maybe going.

686
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: So my little sister, she is starting college, so I'm

687
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: trying to work around her schedule too, so this would

688
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: be the pr freshman year, so we're thinking either Labor

689
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: day or right before she leaves. She's in like two

690
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: three weeks. Okay, great labor days, great weather, it'll probably

691
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: good still on the water, and it'll be, my god,

692
00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: than a labor days before hurricane season, which we learned

693
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: the hard way filming. Yeah, okay, but Joy's to Joy's point,

694
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: like glasses of wine on the Riverwalk are kind of yeah.

695
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: So and then and then Brasserie do so that's still open.

696
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: I hope just go get their steak freights and uh

697
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: and then mac and Cheese comes in that little tin

698
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: that they bake until crispy on the top. You can't

699
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: touch it. Yeah, antique shopping. You haven't mentioned it before, Okay,

700
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: Jess Jess James Vintage has always has great stuff. She

701
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: curates herself and it's really interesting things. And Castle Street

702
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: has quite a few anti Castle. Um. I want to

703
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: say it's like below eighth, so like everything kind of

704
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: below eighth on Castle Street is an antique emporeum and

705
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: there there's just little tiny shops all over the place.

706
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: Some of them you walk in and you think it's

707
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: a little shop and then it goes on forever. But

708
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: then there's also the Ivy Cottage going to take Cottage. Yeah.

709
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time in there. Yeah. Joy.

710
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: We did some damage in there. We did our houses

711
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: were just like out of control. I bought a carousel horse.

712
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: What do you want from me? Dollars? How could I not?

713
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: It was a steel Yeah? Yeah, Amanda, So can you

714
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about your history with One

715
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: Tree Hill and which is I would love to know

716
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: when you started watching and um yeah, just tell me more, okay, yes,

717
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: So um, I was a part of the Netflix generation

718
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: of um One Tree Hill fandom. Ye. I watched for

719
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: the first time my sophomore year of college, so in

720
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: and became obsessed immediately. So it was um. We quickly

721
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: became like a comfort show, and so I rewatched it

722
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: right after graduation when I moved to Dallas for my

723
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: first big girl job. It was my go to show

724
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 1: and then the same thing that just when everything happened.

725
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: And then it's also been a really big bridge for

726
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: my sister and I. So he is eight years younger

727
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: than me, and it was the first show where you

728
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: we ever got to like talk about it, like she

729
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: had very strong oppea. You know, when you're eight years apart,

730
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: I think when you're growing up, it feels like I

731
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: gotta be your mom, but really in reality that's not

732
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: true at all, but it's like, um, you have to

733
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: be the grown up. Yeah. Yeah, that was our relationship

734
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: until we started talking about the show. And it was

735
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: right at a peak time where like middle school and

736
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: right before she started high school, and so she's talking

737
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: about boys and like just messy things that are happening.

738
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: So that's kind of like our bridge. And then when

739
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: Drama Queens came out, we both were like, we have this,

740
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: Like this is that we have good and so that's

741
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: that's what we've been doing. And it's so funny because

742
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: she's like for both of us listening to y'all is

743
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: like being also at the big kids tables always also

744
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: like y'all are like our big sisters too. Oh did

745
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: you hear that a piece of advice? You should probably

746
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: use that And I'm like, so we kind of go

747
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: back and forth on that, but yes, so it's it's

748
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: just kind of come full circle and we've had really

749
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: good conversations. I think what y'all are doing is so

750
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: amazing and how you're doing it because there are a

751
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: lot of different podcasts and things out there, but I

752
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: think you are very honest and it's transparent because we've

753
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: had conversations even uh, I think you can. You can.

754
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: You'll talk a lot about duality and how two things

755
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: can meet. True you can love something and still critique it,

756
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: because we had that same conversation about One Tree Hills, like, Okay,

757
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: we love this show, right, but I watched from a

758
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: different lens and what it was, girl, I understand what

759
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: you do. It's like, oh my god, at least they

760
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: think the same thing that I did. And even like

761
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: I think we you can love the show and still

762
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: critique it in the way of like, is it okay

763
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: to love a show that you don't necessarily see yourself representative.

764
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: I think we talked about that. Y'all have talked about

765
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: that too. I'm saying where it's like, I think diversity

766
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: and inclusion was different. You can probably count on your

767
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: fingers how many Black women are presented in Once You Heal,

768
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: especially with lines. But I still love this show, and

769
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: is that okay? Like you know what I mean. So

770
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: we've we've had conversations like that, and so with y'all

771
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: critiquing it and seeing it, and that gave me permission

772
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, I still love this show and

773
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: I can still say how I feel but still be

774
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: a part of a fandom. You know, human, our hearts

775
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: all believe for a lot of the same stuff. You know,

776
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: I know, no matter what background do you come from,

777
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: the story resonates the stories of teenage love and can

778
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: fusion about you know, your family and struggling through friendships.

779
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: These are all very real, raw things for anyone um

780
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: in our in our age bracket, I mean, for anyone

781
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: in high school like going through that stuff. I'm just

782
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: so your sister's strong opinions are I need to get okay, okay,

783
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: because because we're you know, and so you're talking about

784
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: Lens I'm dying to know what an eighteen year old

785
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: critique of the show is, Like, this is exciting for me. Okay,

786
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: so her, you can kill me. So her, the biggest

787
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: thing has always been we want to Haley to stay

788
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: on tour. A little longer realized she has to go.

789
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: She has to follow her dreams where we're talking about,

790
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: and she was like, yes, of course, Like their conversation

791
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: should have been different and she should have taught him

792
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: not come. But she's an She's going be an icon. Like,

793
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: So that was our conversation because and I think maybe

794
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: it's just because we are we pride ourselves and like

795
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: I just want to go after it, like you know,

796
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: like that's how we are. That was how we were

797
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: seeing and she's so talented. That was probably our strongest takeaway.

798
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: And um so yeah, so that those are her big, big,

799
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: huge opinion. She's always been team the Sisterhood, so I think, oh,

800
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: is it sister Yes. So it's like in season five,

801
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: she just like we needed to see we needed to

802
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: see Brooke and um in Peyton come when Nanny Carey

803
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: was tripping, Like why didn't they they would have been there?

804
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, right, we've already proven we can fight like

805
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: we have so many times throughout after her Davis will

806
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: slap somebody she should have slapped Nanny Carey. So yeah,

807
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: so we because we to binge it all. I couldn't

808
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: imagine if I was waiting week to week, I would

809
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: have been freaking out. So it's a different time, babe.

810
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: You had to like wait and then we'd have our

811
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: mid season breaks and you'd have to wait like three months,

812
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: like it was crazy. That's what makes the bad episode

813
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: so much worse is that you know people Saturay and

814
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: the whole week and then they like sat up in

815
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: front of their TV with their popcorn or their dinner

816
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: and it gets on click, and then they had to

817
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: suffer through an hour of terrible writing if it was

818
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: a bad episode. Yes, And even when you were talking

819
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: about like those cliffhangers, I think I think it. I

820
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: don't remember who it was when y'all called Diana Iceberg

821
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: like from Tana you know? Yes? So do you have

822
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: a favorite episode of Drama Queens or of One Tree? Hi? Okay, um,

823
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: my favorite episode? So I don't know. People ask us

824
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: that question all the time, and I'm like, is just

825
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: how do you just pick so I am. I'm actually

826
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: a I'm a huge fan of season three and six.

827
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: Those are my favorite. Three is great. Three is so good,

828
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: except for episode we watched. Oh my god, did you

829
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: watch episode eleven yet because it's grim? Yeah I did, Yeah,

830
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: we know, Amanda, we just watched it and we were like,

831
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: what how is twelve better? So just get to thirteen

832
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: hanging there and we you we love it at thirteen great, good, perfect,

833
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying about. That's that's where everything is

834
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 1: safe again. That's going to be the title of that episode,

835
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: by the way. That's what we'll do where everything everything

836
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: is safe. Everything say said, so please you'll you'll be

837
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 1: We'll be good. We'll get back the ball. The ball

838
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: gets rolling again. And that's what That's what I love

839
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: about yours podcast, though, is like you can say it

840
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: and I know, I know. It just looks different all

841
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: the time. So kudos to you again. You'll handle things.

842
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: Is such a good grace because I wanted to get

843
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: in come. It's like, wait a minute, hanging they have

844
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: the opportunity to say if they don't like it, it's okay, guys,

845
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:34,479
Speaker 1: but it is always combative with something better coming down.

846
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: The line, so yeah, just hanging there, Thank you, thank you.

847
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: If you had to do a tour of Wilmington's with

848
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: one character from the show, who would you know? And

849
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: you're being here used to think, we're not going to

850
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: put you on the spot, none of us. Someone other

851
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: than us there give you. If you had to go

852
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 1: out with someone other than the drama queens, who would

853
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: you cruise around? In the comment like is that also?

854
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: In the comment? Okay, yes, let this for me. I

855
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: want to steal that one so hard. I don't know.

856
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: So I'm torn between Lee Norris or Oh a day

857
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: with more more Rack Kelly would be iconic, though Okay

858
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't thick Well, can I pick those two?

859
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: I can both? In the comment start your day with

860
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: Moira Kelly, have a fabulous brunch walk and then you

861
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: hit those bars with Lee Norris. You have never lived

862
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: until you have danced with Leonora's. It's really true. Let

863
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: me tell you something. He got on the dance floor

864
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: at my wedding and it was his wedding. People were like,

865
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, Leonor's. I was like, I know, everyone

866
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: just put your bodies around his body. It was It

867
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: was iconic. Please tell me, y'all did the Yang Twins?

868
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: Please did? Okay? So here's what I need you to

869
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: know is Leon Norris and I actually have two songs

870
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: and three six nine is our first song. But Lee's

871
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: favorite song in the world is I Want to Dance

872
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: with Somebody by Whitney. He's telling and I was so

873
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: excited when that song came on and he looked at

874
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: me and I just went, I did this for you,

875
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: and we ran towards each other on the dance floor.

876
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: And what almost nobody knows is that since the iPhone

877
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: came out when we were I don't know, twenty three

878
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: or twenty four, so this is like over fifteen years now. Um,

879
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: any time either Lee or I is in a place

880
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: where that song comes on, we send each other a

881
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: video of one of us singing it. So like in

882
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: our in our text thread, we just have like years

883
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: of being like, nobody can sing to Winney Houston. By

884
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: the way, so these videos are horrible and they can

885
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: never see the light of day. But we shouldn't hile those, Sophia,

886
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: this sounds truly. I will. I will protect our secrets

887
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: to the day I die. But um, I will say

888
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: that as we're telling the story. I must concur with Hillary.

889
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: You have to enture tour with Lee Norris. It's just

890
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: it's a fact. If you can hit a karaoke spot

891
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: in Felming, like your late night options are yep, karaoke

892
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: spot right either at Level five or Yosaki or there's

893
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: some other places that are doing it now, Level five five.

894
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: If they have a comedy show, go see it. Yeah,

895
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: go see a play at Balien Hall too, by the way, gorgeous. Yeah,

896
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: they might have a good show on now. I don't

897
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: know what the plan, but I also would be negligent

898
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: if I did not tell you to go on a

899
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: ghost tour because listen, I spoke to my old neighbor,

900
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: uh George. His name was George, and we spoke recently

901
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: on the phone and I was like, oh my god,

902
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: what's going on? How's the neighborhood? And he's like, we

903
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: got these tours coming by your house all the time.

904
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: Because I lived in a haunted house downtown and the tours.

905
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: I think my house might be on the ghost tour now,

906
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: which should be talked enough about. You have the ghost

907
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: tour is a weird way to spend the night. And

908
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: if you're taking your eighteen year old sister and you

909
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: can't take her into bars. That's like a great option

910
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: that you guys can just get a great lay of

911
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: the land in Wilmington and you can see all of

912
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: these like old houses close up, all the like monuments

913
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: close up. They'll show you where some of the other

914
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: cool stuff that filmed in town is. There's the Carolina

915
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: Apartments where they film Blue Velvet Um. There's the on

916
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: the corner from where I lived is where Outcast filmed

917
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: Idle while and I just got to sit across the

918
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: street while Big Boy and I drink and across the

919
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: street and I was ard um. So yeah, go on

920
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 1: these walking doors. They're very cool. Make sure you ask

921
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: them to take you by the old haunted dentist's house.

922
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,959
Speaker 1: That sounds it's truly like it's the darkest, wildest story.

923
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: But whoever's leading the ghost tour will be like, oh,

924
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: she knows what's up that that's the way to get

925
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: some points. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do too.

926
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 1: Go play ski ball in Blue Post. You have to post.

927
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: Oh if you go to Blue Post, will you please

928
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: let us know if our little placards from completing the

929
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: beer list around the When you're done with all this,

930
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: we want to we want to see photos. Yes, we

931
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: need to take over our Instagram while you're there. We

932
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: that's a great idea. Hillary should cry, Oh my god. Okay,

933
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: so you're gonna create content that is going to be

934
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: our Instagram during take over drama quis gonna be exciting

935
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: if it's if it's not too much pressure. We want

936
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: you to enjoy your trip, so you know, yeah, I mean,

937
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: you don't have to, like work, but you could. You

938
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: could just take us along. Yeah, we want to see

939
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: what you're seeing and make sure you go and visit

940
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: our friend Jesse at Edge of Urge. Yeah yeah, yeah,

941
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: she made a lot of our clothes back then, and

942
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: yeah it still does a lot of cool stuff from

943
00:56:51,640 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: Haley's bra the first time Haley and Nathan uh spend then, okay,

944
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: joy you with is the name of the hall so

945
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: we can go see plays? What did you say? Yeah?

946
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: T h A l I A Nien Hall. It's okay.

947
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: Diligent notes here. Yeah, you're gonna have to ride drama.

948
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: Queen's guide to will Me to North Carolina's right, So listen,

949
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: do you have any questions for us before we you know,

950
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: let you go on your adventure. But I'm sorry, you

951
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: know I do have a couple yes, hold on, sorry

952
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: the notes at wait, what do you do for a living?

953
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: I love how organized you are. I know we'll not

954
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: saying the mess when bra asked, way more time doing

955
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: this than working today, So that's but I actually work

956
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: for Microsoft currently in the trade on one of their

957
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: account managers, so I work with their health and life sciences,

958
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: different with hospitals and stuff. You're grown up, You're organized, amazing. No,

959
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: it's all written. No, but I think that perfectly like

960
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: kind of goes into our My first question, I guess.

961
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: So I'm turning six, and I would what I always

962
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: say about the podcast is nobody really gives you permission

963
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: anymore to be messy. I think with our our generation,

964
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: because we have social media and we have all of

965
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: these things, we um, we're told to be a lot

966
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: more careful, I guess than other generations before us, just

967
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: because it can be documented and anybody can see it

968
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: and can follow you forever. And so I guess one

969
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: of the things that I love about once you're healing,

970
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: one of the things I always see is one of

971
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: the biggest takeaways is the talks about forgiveness and the

972
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: art of forgiveness and how that's kind of we're woven

973
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: into right now. You're nager and you're messy, and you're

974
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: in your early twenties and you're messy. Have y'all noticed

975
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: any similar things so far? Of like that forgiveness that

976
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: heroes journey, that rekindling of different pieces like what has

977
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: been your biggest being takeaway just up into the season

978
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: three to show around, oh the show of what you're

979
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: talking about. Mm hmmm. It is a theme that runs through.

980
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Nathan and Haley have to find forgiveness for

981
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: each other and and being and hurting each other and

982
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: being messy. But that's really what forgiveness is for. It's

983
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: not because, I mean, in my opinion, it's not for

984
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: like because you're expected to be perfect. It's because you

985
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: can't be perfect, and you are going to hurt someone

986
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: in the process of living your life and just trying

987
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: to figure out all of the important foundational questions of

988
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: life that we all as humans inevitably ask ourselves and

989
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: each other. You're going to hurt yourself and hurt each other,

990
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: and so that's what forgiveness is for and so it's

991
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: good to put it into practice. Um. And so yeah,

992
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: I mean I see that a lot with Nathan and Haley,

993
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: which is a great Their marriage is a great example

994
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: of that because in marriage you you are messy and

995
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: you are going to hurt each other, and so you

996
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: have to be able to learn how to have that

997
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: forgiveness in that context. So that's what I mean. I

998
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,959
Speaker 1: guess that's been mine. But also because I was close

999
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 1: to that storyline, you know, being in it, and all

1000
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: I shoulder that bear, I think, Um, for me watching

1001
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: the show back, the forgiveness is the forgiveness of oneself.

1002
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: You know, Payton beats herself up about everything, and I

1003
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: personally beat myself up about everything. And this idea that well,

1004
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: when I'm older, I won't do that anymore. When I'm older,

1005
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: I won't make mistakes anymore. When I'm older, I'll know better.

1006
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: He's bush. It's total bulls because what we've figured out

1007
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: is that in our brains, we're all seventeen years old forever.

1008
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're You're seventeen in your brain forever.

1009
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: So the quicker you can learn to forgive the kid

1010
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: in you, the young adult and you the parent in you.

1011
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: That's the phase we're in right now, the partner in you. Um,

1012
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: you will be better at all of those things because

1013
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: you won't be doing that internal you know, turmoil, the

1014
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: internal forgiveness. Just be nice to the little kid in you.

1015
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: That's the thing. You're always talking to the little kid. Yeah, yeah,

1016
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,959
Speaker 1: I like that a lot. I think watching this so far,

1017
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: one of the things that I find really interesting about

1018
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: Brooks journey is similarly to what you're saying, Hilary. She

1019
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: has to learn to be nicer to herself. She to

1020
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: learn to believe in herself and realize that she's worthy,

1021
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: to be able to forgive people, and to be able

1022
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: to set healthy boundaries for herself, because when she doesn't

1023
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: carry herself in worth, people treat her poorly. And the

1024
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: more she steps into her own power, the more she's

1025
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: able to be vulnerable, to admit how she feels, and

1026
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: to grow. And I think that that was certainly my

1027
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: journey through my twenties. I mean, it's still a journey now.

1028
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: But then I was so nervous to make a mistake

1029
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,959
Speaker 1: that I was too scared to ever ask for help,

1030
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: that I just walked around feeling so terrified all the

1031
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: time and being sure that I was the screw up.

1032
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until I was like, hold on, all

1033
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: these people who I love that are awesome tell me

1034
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm awesome, and I know I'm telling the truth that

1035
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: they're awesome, and I don't think they're liars, which must

1036
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: mean when they say I'm awesome, I am awesome. You're awesome,

1037
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: And like, it took me a while to be like,

1038
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm cool. I'm not perfect, but like I'm a pretty

1039
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: nice person, and life got easier after that. So I

1040
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: do really wish, you know, like you said, Amanda, I

1041
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: wish that people would teach us to be a little

1042
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: gentler with ourselves and to to feel okay admitting how

1043
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: we feel or what we're nervous about or what we

1044
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: might need help with. Because the more we can be

1045
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: an honest and supportive community, the better our lives are.

1046
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's why we do this show. We're

1047
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: just like, we just want to be together all the time.

1048
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: How do we do that? I love it? You guys,

1049
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: are you know what? That's so true that forgiving of

1050
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: yourself that's one of the hardest things to do and

1051
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:59,919
Speaker 1: it's extra hard to when you you are carrying. It's

1052
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: hard to forgive yourself if you don't know how to

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Speaker 1: forgive other people to which is I think kind of

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01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Hell, that's like you're so hard on

1055
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: yourself and Peyton beats herself up. And but then we

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01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: carry that in that expectation of well, if if I

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01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: can handle A, B and C, then other people should

1058
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: be able to too, And then it's harder to forgive

1059
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: other people. I mean, I just you know, speaking of

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01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: the topic of forgiveness, I just saw play Um a

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01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, based on the Hiding Place. Did

1062
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: you guys ever read that story about Carryton Boom. She

1063
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: was a Polish girl in Um the nineties and her

1064
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: family was hiding Jews in their home and uh, one

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01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: of the soldiers her father was a watchmaker, and one

1066
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: of the soldiers came to work before he was sorry,

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01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: this is kind of backwards. Before he was a soldier,

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01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: he was a german Man and her father was very like,

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01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: I don't discriminate against against anyone. Do German, whoever you are.

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01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: If you want to work for me, you can work

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01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: for me. So this Jewish sorry, this German man comes

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01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: in works for them as an apprentice. He's very um,

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01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: unlikable the whole time, Leaves, becomes a Nazi soldier, gives

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01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: their family away. They all go off to concentration camps.

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01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: And her sister, who she's very very very close with

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01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: and is like the joy in the light. And Corey

1077
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: is the one who's like, I hate there's maball and

1078
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: her sister is the one who's just like, it's okay,

1079
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: just God wants us to love everyone. Let's just share

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01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: love and be love and forgive. And you know, they

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01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: don't know, and um, sorry, they're telling me to speed it,

1082
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: speed it up. I'm speeding. I'm sorry. But it's beautiful.

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01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: It's this amazing, mind blowing story because in the end,

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01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: it's all it's all over. The war is over, um,

1085
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: and they're all just living in the aftermath and this

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01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: and Corey's sister has died in the concentration camp and

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01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: so she's carrying all this anger. And as she uh

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01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: is walking through a train station one day, she runs

1089
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: into this former soldier who sent her to the camp

1090
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: and who was the cause the story, and he was

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01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: the cause of her sister. Your's death, and he stops

1092
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: her and he says, I know, I know what I did.

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01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: I I'm so sorry. I've had an awakening in life.

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01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: And um, I don't know any other way to apologize

1095
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: except to say that I'm so sorry and can you

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01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: ever forgive me? And there's this beautiful moment she just

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01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: stands at him and stares at him, and finally um

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01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: embraces him, and that's it. And then just it's like

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01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: that's it. We're walking away and we're done, and this

1100
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: moment like and there's a quote in the play that's

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01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: forgiveness is scandalous. It's not something that's easily given. And

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01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: that's why it's so meaningful, because it's not something that

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01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: you can just right off and be like, yeah, I

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01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: forgive you, it's easy. It's it's outrageous, it's scandalous. Could you?

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01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: But you know, like in this recognition that we're all human,

1106
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: we're all susceptible of all different kinds of things, we're

1107
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: all capable of all kinds of things put in the

1108
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: right scenario or the wrong scenario, the right conditioning or

1109
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: the wrong conditioning, and so um, anyway that that level

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01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 1: of forgiveness and humanity is a theme that I love,

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01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: and I'm so happy that you brought up. Sorry, I

1112
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: didn't mean to go so far off the rail thinking

1113
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,439
Speaker 1: about like forgiving yourself for the things that you do,

1114
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: and like when we forgive other people, how much more

1115
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: that opens up for us to be able to forgive ourselves.

1116
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: So alright, so you can kiss your best friend's boyfriend

1117
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: twice and then she can be the best I can

1118
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: always count out. Remember a segue, Hillary, thank you bess.

1119
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: If you're going to be a awful person, it's got

1120
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: to come full circle and you've got to be There

1121
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: is no there is no better breaker for levity than

1122
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: than our sister Hillary. Truly, it's like it's such about

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01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm amazed by you. Oh my gosh. Sorry, man, do

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01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: you have any other questions? I'm sorry, I am no.

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01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: That's actually perfect. I know. I think y'all have talked

1126
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: about this before because it all kind of like leaves

1127
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: together in this really weird way. But I think y'all

1128
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: drama Queens has been such a big part of Like

1129
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:15,439
Speaker 1: another theme is like that rekindling within sisterhood and within

1130
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: friendships and things like that, and so to your to

1131
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: the points that all of you made and forgiving yourself

1132
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: and forgiving yourself your sister, and giving your significant other.

1133
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times you hear the stories

1134
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: of like, oh sticks stick by your man, Like a

1135
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: lot of people say things like that, but sometimes we

1136
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: throw our friendships away. So I know y'all have talked

1137
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: a lot about kind of how y'all swam that together.

1138
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: What kind of advice would you give for young women

1139
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,440
Speaker 1: are like girls and women who are looking to reveald

1140
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: lost friendships or like they lost kind of that connection

1141
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: and similar to how you all did, Like we were

1142
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 1: away for a minute, but back stronger than ever. What

1143
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: did that first step look like? Yeah, honestly, you can't

1144
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: dictate who your friend will grow into. Okay, because let's

1145
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: say your friends from high school, you know, you meet

1146
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: when you're fifteen years old. You have no control over

1147
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 1: the person your friend is going to be, you know, um,

1148
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: And so it is loving the growth in your people

1149
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: is really important because we all started off You look

1150
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: at Sophia, Joy and I were all essentially the same person.

1151
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,719
Speaker 1: We all grew up really really fast. We're all pretty

1152
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 1: a d D. You know, we're all like spinning plates

1153
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: and hyper in a very similar way. And so we

1154
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: all started off at the beginning of season one level

1155
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: playing field, and then because of all the variables that

1156
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: were thrown at us, we all kind of found different paths.

1157
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: Some of us hung out more with the crew, sung up,

1158
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 1: some of us isolated ourselves more, some of us hung

1159
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: out more with the cast, you know, and we picked

1160
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: different paths. And it's choosing to appreciate that in your friendships.

1161
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: Appreciate the differences, Appreciate the growth as opposed to being

1162
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: threatened by it or being like, no, we were supposed

1163
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: to be on this road together. You know you're not

1164
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: doing it right. Um. Appreciate those turns because eventually your

1165
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: paths will meet up again, and then you'll have great

1166
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 1: stories to tell each other and they'll be able to

1167
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,440
Speaker 1: take you over onto their path, you know, which is exciting.

1168
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: It's been fun to like travel the roads that you

1169
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: guys talk because I took a very different road. Yeah.

1170
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: I think it's also really important, you know that idea

1171
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: to to use your road metaphor. You can't assume how

1172
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 1: someone ends up on a road. It took us until

1173
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: we'd had some distance to say I was actually really scared,

1174
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: So like I'd go over there and then you know,

1175
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 1: two of us to go, wait, what you were like?

1176
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: I always thought you were so tough. You have to

1177
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 1: realize that feelings aren't facts, and that very often the

1178
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: stories that we tell ourselves aren't true. They're based on

1179
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: the limited information that we have. And the the advice

1180
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 1: that I would give to any group of friends is

1181
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: remember you're all on the same team, and if something

1182
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 1: gets weird like this is the moral of my marriage,

1183
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: this is the moral of my friendships. If something gets

1184
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: energetically weird, it's me and you against the problem. It

1185
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: is never me and you against each other. And that's

1186
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: something we all had to learn. We did not have

1187
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: adults modeling that for us. And it's part of the

1188
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: reason that it feels really important for us to talk

1189
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: to you all about all of our experiences and how

1190
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 1: we grew and what therapy worked, and what weird outward

1191
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: bound work like whatever we did. You know, get your

1192
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: girls on a zip line man problem that honestly, yes,

1193
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: But but truthfully, you know, you've got to be able

1194
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,600
Speaker 1: to come in and say I feel this and be

1195
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: honest enough to say I don't know if this is

1196
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: really happening. I don't know if you're mad at me.

1197
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm being left out. I don't

1198
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: know if you know I did something to hurt you.

1199
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: But I feel weird. Will you tell me if I'm

1200
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: nuts or if I'm tapped into something? Is there something

1201
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: we need to talk about? And it could be any

1202
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: version of that, but I think it takes a courage

1203
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: to talk to your people and to just say, oh, man,

1204
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: like this is my stuff. I did that with Hillary

1205
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: last week. We were laughing about something and I said, dude,

1206
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: I still have twenty two year old me brain where

1207
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: sometimes my brain says like X, Y and Z to

1208
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: me and she was like, you're insane. I was like,

1209
01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: I know, but the kid and what you're but you

1210
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: have to be able to just do it together. Sorry. No,

1211
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: The key to what you're saying and to your question

1212
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: Amanda about the first steps is humility? Really is the

1213
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: is that's the first step. You have to be humble

1214
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 1: enough to be vulnerable and to ask and to say

1215
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: the thing. You have to be willing to just Okay,

1216
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: I'm no better than nobody else. I'm you know, Sorry

1217
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: that was a bad sentence, but you know what I mean.

1218
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 1: She's no better than nobody else. I know better than

1219
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: nobody else to right, listen, I would love for our

1220
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: podcast to help female friendships if that is part of

1221
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: what we're building off. And you know, it's interesting, Like

1222
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 1: Amanda you said it, there's a lot of There is

1223
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,759
Speaker 1: a lot of messaging right about like do the work

1224
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: in your relationship. But let me tell you what the

1225
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 1: longest relationships of any of our lives. Any of the

1226
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 1: women you're looking at right now are each other? Oh

1227
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: my god, like you all are the you are some

1228
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: of the longest relationships of my life. Yeah, it's why

1229
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,839
Speaker 1: I got like all blubbery looking at my three girlfriends

1230
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,600
Speaker 1: from middle school and the two and the two of

1231
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: you and Daniel at my wedding in the back of

1232
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: the bus. It was like we were and Sophia's wedding.

1233
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: It was like her childhood friends and then us and

1234
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: we were all the bad kids in the back of

1235
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: the bus and it was amazing. But truthfully, I was

1236
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: like weeping because I was like these these people, like

1237
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: this is where I learned how to love. And you know,

1238
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm excited for what the future holds. But to be clear,

1239
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: I will never be married to my husband. For as

1240
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: long as I've been in a relationship with Hilary Burden

1241
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: and Bethany's your life, it's mathematically impossible. And so I

1242
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: think we need to have cultural messaging about like don't

1243
01:14:55,120 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: forget who who got you here? You know, like stick

1244
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 1: with your girls. Yeah right, because you're an honorary drama

1245
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: queen Amanda, would you like to spin a wheel and

1246
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: do most likely to? It would be an honor truly. Yeah,

1247
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: all right, all right, now you get to see behind

1248
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 1: the curtain. This is what its. You just have to

1249
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: make a sound effect right now? What most likely to go? Ahead?

1250
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:43,839
Speaker 1: Not have one social media account? Oh so not beyond

1251
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: any social media. So we have to pick a character

1252
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:54,759
Speaker 1: and also a real life cast member. Keith to Scott Amanda.

1253
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 1: Do you agree? I agree that? All right? I feel

1254
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: like real I feel like somebody's probably said, like, Keith,

1255
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: you've got to get the body shop on Instagram, and

1256
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't know what that istok? Is he

1257
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 1: still using like the Nokia flip phone that we have

1258
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: in all the like a star attack. They'll totally be

1259
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: an episode. By the way, if we were doing this

1260
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: show now and Keith is still alive. It would be

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Speaker 1: like a whole episode of him trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: how to do a TikTok. I love it. Wait, I mean,

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Speaker 1: is there anyone from our show that's not on social

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Speaker 1: media that you want us to pass her? Who's not on?

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Speaker 1: Who's not? Are we all just attention? Worse? Is is Moira?

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Speaker 1: I don't think it, guys, you nailed it, so she's not.

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Speaker 1: Don't think she is no, which I think when we

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Speaker 1: talked to her because there was no way to find her. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we haven't been keeping up, and now I think it's her.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, Well, when you figure out when

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Speaker 1: you're going to Wilmington, let us know because our entire

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Speaker 1: drama Queen's family is going to be rabid for pictures

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Speaker 1: and information and dates. You just go down there and

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Speaker 1: you throw our names around. Every time you get a reservation,

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Speaker 1: you're like, wow, Sophia, Joy and Hillary told me st

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Speaker 1: here to give me your best table done? You got

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Speaker 1: next week? Oh yeah, what episode are we doing next week? Guys?

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Speaker 1: It's not good, but you might know more. It's episode

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Speaker 1: three twelve. She said, you just got to make it. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I have it. I have it. The next episode Season three,

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Speaker 1: episode twelve is I've got dreams to remember, and perhaps

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Speaker 1: it's an episode we will all want to forget that

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Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Maybe you love it,

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Speaker 1: you love it, I don't know. After a level in

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Speaker 1: I desperately hope to love it because today was painful,

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Speaker 1: but you really turned it around for us. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for coming joy, Thank you all so much. Truly, I

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Speaker 1: love your podcast. I love y'all. I think you're incredible.

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Speaker 1: So thanks. What's your sister's name? Thank you? Arianna, Okay, Arianna, Brianna,

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Speaker 1: look at your kid. You guys have such a good trip,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see all the rest of you next week.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Have a good one. Hey, thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You

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Speaker 1: about that high school drama. Girl, Drama Girl, all about

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