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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,

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Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.

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Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,

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Speaker 2: which has brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about how expensive

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Speaker 2: deer hunting can be and some of the things you

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Speaker 2: can do to keep it cheap. And in case you

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Speaker 2: haven't heard, stuff is getting pretty expensive out there. Sure,

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Speaker 2: if you're a high roller like Steve Vanella and you

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Speaker 2: have a whole collection of rare ivory backscratchers or whatever,

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Speaker 2: you're probably not feeling it the same way. But if

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Speaker 2: you're like most of us, you probably feel a little

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Speaker 2: in anxiety or a lot of anxiety. Just go into

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Speaker 2: the grocery store later, or worse, if you have to

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Speaker 2: rent a new apartment or you want to buy a

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Speaker 2: starter home. Stuff is expensive, and so is hunting, or

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Speaker 2: at least it can be. There doesn't have to be, though,

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Speaker 2: and that's what this episode is really all about I

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Speaker 2: was born in nineteen eighty, which, according to Mark Kenyon

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Speaker 2: because he's jealous of how many public land bucks I've killed,

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Speaker 2: is equal to like fourteen seventy three. Well, listen, I'll

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Speaker 2: take old and wise any day over young and obsessed

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Speaker 2: with butterflies and Taylor Swift. In that year, the one

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Speaker 2: that I appeared on the scene, the US hockey team

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Speaker 2: kicked the Soviets right in their kamiasses to win the

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Speaker 2: gold in the Olympics in what would forever be referred

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Speaker 2: to as a miracle on ice. Mount Saint Helen's also erupted,

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Speaker 2: which is kind of hard to fath them today, but

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Speaker 2: at the time it was a big enough disaster to

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Speaker 2: kill fifty seven people. John Lennon, one of the founding

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Speaker 2: members of the Beatles, was shot to death by a

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Speaker 2: lunatic fan. CNN began broadcasting John Wayne Gacy, a serial

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Speaker 2: killer known as the Killer Clown, was caught after murdering

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Speaker 2: at least thirty three boys and men. There were only

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Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty six and a half million people

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Speaker 2: here in the US. Kim Kardashian was born as well.

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Speaker 2: Star Wars was real popular, so was the show Facts

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Speaker 2: of life, which has a theme song that my tournament

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Speaker 2: fishing partner sings a lot, even when you've heard it

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Speaker 2: so many times that you really want to throw him

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Speaker 2: out of the boat or at least hit him with

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Speaker 2: an hour. Now that you have a lot of useless

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Speaker 2: facts about the year of my birth, let's try a

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Speaker 2: little thought exercise. Let's say you had a dollar, then

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Speaker 2: you earned one dollar. Now you fast forward to today.

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Speaker 2: What do you think that dollar would be worth about

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Speaker 2: twenty five cents? The medium home sale price then was

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Speaker 2: about fifty eight thousand dollars. Today that price is right

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Speaker 2: the story of college tuition, a rent of everything. The

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Speaker 2: whole system tends to shoot for inflation at like two

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Speaker 2: steady pace. Now, inflation is a supply and demand consequence,

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Speaker 2: demand goes up, which raises prices. Think housing here and

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Speaker 2: how many family homes either turned into short term rentals

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Speaker 2: like airbnbs or bought up by corporations as long term rentals.

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Speaker 2: Fewer houses for people to live in means buyers better

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Speaker 2: are now reaping what was sewn. Then. So the Feds

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Speaker 2: And while that usually works, it's not a quick process,

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Speaker 2: keep selling tags, at least for a while. So what

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Speaker 2: which is to start golfing. Just kidding, that might be

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Speaker 2: the only thing that's more expensive than obsessing over hunting. Well.

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Speaker 2: Fishing is right up there, as my wife often reminds

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Speaker 2: me of, since I bought a new boat last year without,

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Speaker 2: a new boat's worth of random junk entering our house

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Speaker 2: every year via Amazon deliveries in a death by a

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Speaker 2: thousand paper cut scenarios. Anyway, there are ways to have

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Speaker 2: good hunts without going broke. I feel like I'm prop

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Speaker 2: probably somewhat of an expert on this because I started

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Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, which, as some of you folks know,

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Speaker 2: wasn't a great time for the average person money wise.

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Speaker 2: As a struggling freelance magazine writer who needed to stack

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Speaker 2: and they hold us back in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 2: For starters, there's the price of the license in your

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Speaker 2: maybe twenty to forty bucks something like that. Tack on

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Speaker 2: at Applebee's. Out Of state tags are definitely another story,

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Speaker 2: and they've outpaced inflation in many states the way college

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Speaker 2: tuition has. There's no way around this if you want

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Speaker 2: do when I'm buying tags is just look for combo

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Speaker 2: spend like two hundred bucks for a buck tag, which

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Speaker 2: cover things i'll hunt and fish for while reducing the

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Speaker 2: cost of buying them individually. You might be able to

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Speaker 2: to travel to hunt, keep an eye out for them.

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Speaker 2: In your chosen state. Now, staying home or heading out

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Speaker 2: Leasing now. This is a good option for people with

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Speaker 2: also don't or can't buy some land. It's also generally

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Speaker 2: not very cheap. Most leases will involve at least a

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Speaker 2: a great idea. Just make sure that if you're going

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Speaker 2: whoever you lease with. If they don't, there will be

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Speaker 2: trouble because there's money involved. You don't want to split

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Speaker 2: has no intention of ever buying a tree stand or

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Speaker 2: a trail camera or anything that might actually help you

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Speaker 2: guys hunt. In this case, what seems like a responsible

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Speaker 2: bad thing for you You because you're gonna have to buy everything.

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Speaker 2: The same goes for you know, the general willingness to

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Speaker 2: scout and set up stuff, which might not affect your

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Speaker 2: pocketbook but can definitely be a mental expense. Splitting costs

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Speaker 2: is a no brainer with a lot of whittail stuff

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Speaker 2: well beyond leasing, Maybe you have a neighbor who loves

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Speaker 2: go have these on a good three D target that

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Speaker 2: will last you both for years, instead of individually buying

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Speaker 2: cheapy targets that can't handle broadheads or too much exposure

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Speaker 2: to the weather. The same can be said for some

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Speaker 2: equipment like fletching jigs, aarosauce, boat presses, whatever. Learning to

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Speaker 2: build your own arrows comes with more cost up front,

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Speaker 2: to share those costs with. It's also a good idea

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Speaker 2: to audit yourself a little bit on hunting gear. There

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Speaker 2: are some categories of gear that I just won't go

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Speaker 2: my enjoyment of deer hunting. There are other categories I

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Speaker 2: almost never spend a dime on. An example of those

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Speaker 2: would be cheap broadheads, bottles of dope, and cent wix.

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Speaker 2: I used to have to test a lot of broadheads

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Speaker 2: cost you know, five or ten bucks ahead, will perform

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Speaker 2: like junk and will bite you in the ass eventually

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Speaker 2: they are not worth the cost savings. On the other hand,

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Speaker 2: sprays and stuff that people think, well, this is cheap

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Speaker 2: and I definitely need this, But I don't buy them

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Speaker 2: them generally. Now, listen, you do you, But over the

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Speaker 2: it's almost entirely to make myself feel a little better,

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Speaker 2: even though I know it's probably never going to draw

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Speaker 2: at least in my experience. I'd rather spend up for

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Speaker 2: good broadheads and save money on things that I just

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Speaker 2: don't think will benefit me much. Now. Another category is

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Speaker 2: food around hunting. This is a big one. While groceries

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Speaker 2: have gotten expensive, they are still generally a much better

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Speaker 2: deal than going out to eat. Even if your favorite

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Speaker 2: place to eat is McDonald's. If you're traveling to hunt

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Speaker 2: for me, and it's honestly one of the best ways

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Speaker 2: are to drive somewhere to spend more money at restaurants

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Speaker 2: bigger picture. That's it for this week, my friends. I'm

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