1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: and speaker. 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: And I'm Sarah hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: our careers and our families. 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun, 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: from figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: We want you to get the most out of life. 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. This 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: is our annual goals episode, Goals twenty twenty five. We 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: have been doing annual Goals episode for low these many years, 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: setting a lot of goals in the course of running 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: best of both worlds. 15 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: We enjoy it. 16 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: We enjoy listening to other people's goals episodes. So, Sarah, 17 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: are you doing a twenty five for twenty twenty five 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: or a word of the year variation along those lines. 19 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: I'm just going to do a word of the year 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: this year. No fancy long list unless I come up 21 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: with something after this errs. But I am kind of 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: excited about my word of the year, which is finite. 23 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: So listeners may have seen that coming. I was really 24 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: into like the mortality theme last year, with Jodi Wellman's 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: You Only Die Once being like my favorite nonfiction book 26 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: of the year, just because Laura didn't release any by 27 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: the way, of course, and with Oliver Berkman's Meditation for 28 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: Mortals just kind of adding on to that. I just 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm like thinking about and maybe probably 30 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 2: just like hitting the middle of my life statistically. So yeah, 31 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: that's my word, and I feel like it has multiple applications, 32 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: like finite number of activities you can fit into each day, 33 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: as a reminder not to overload myself, and then just 34 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: of course, like the remembrance the time in our lives 35 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: in general is finite, which makes me want to plan 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: really well but also savor things while they're happening. I 37 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: think from a parenting perspective, also, I came to the 38 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: realization that when I replaced my five year journal my 39 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: next one, which I'll start in twenty twenty six, the 40 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: last year will be Annabel going to college. I'm like, like, 41 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 2: that was I mean, that's wild, Like the rest of 42 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: her schooling fits in another five year journal. Like anyway, 43 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: parenting is a finite journey. Life is a finite journey, 44 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: and so I'm excited about this word of the year. Okay, 45 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: what about you? 46 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, I usually don't set words to the ear other. 47 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: I was considered doing influence as my word of the 48 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: year for twenty twenty five, although than when I said influence, 49 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: Sarah thought that I was going to become one of 50 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: these social media influencers, which I am not. So maybe 51 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: we need a different but similar word, such as impact. 52 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 53 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: I influence is different than impact and subtle semantic ways, 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: so maybe one of those. It's not really something I 55 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: do all that much. But as we've been thinking about 56 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: goals for the year, one of the ways we set 57 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: goals like life goals. Both of us have done lists 58 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: of one hundred dreams. Have you updated yours recently? 59 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 2: Sarah? I updated it at Best Laid Plans Lives. So 60 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: one of the sessions was led by Laura and she 61 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: talked about the hundred dreams, and because it was led 62 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: by her and not led by me, I was actually 63 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 2: able to be pretty present and do my own list making. 64 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: So that is the last time I've put together a 65 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: I usually start from scratch, like I don't I do 66 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: have some of the old lists because I've like blogged 67 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: them and stuff, but I usually like to just kind 68 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: of start from scratch with a new list when I 69 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: feel like making one. So that's the most recent one, 70 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: and yeah, it was fun to do. I'm not totally done, 71 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: Like I did not get to one hundred, but I 72 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: think I got to like forty or something. 73 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean while I was leading that session, So 74 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I really did a lot of 75 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: updating in the course of it. I mean, the last 76 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: time I did a full list was right before turning forty. 77 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: Did that on my blog in late twenty eighteen, and 78 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,839 Speaker 1: I am now older than that, so maybe it's time 79 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: for an update. I don't necessarily consult the list when 80 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm making annual goals list. I mean, I guess that 81 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: might be something to do. I did look at my 82 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: twenty ten list and my twenty fifteen list a while 83 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: ago in the course of creating some content this year, 84 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: and the upside is I actually have done a reasonable 85 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: number of the things that I put on it, not 86 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: all of them. I've still not been to New Zealand, 87 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: but I may be singing the b Minor Mass the 88 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: bach B minor mass and this comes out. So some 89 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: things are happening and some just through the course of 90 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: the kids getting older or are moving. In twenty ten, 91 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: we were not out in the urbs yet, so there's 92 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: certain things of just like moving out into the verbs 93 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: that happened as a result of that. 94 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: But it's an idea. 95 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: If people are looking for sources of inspiration for annual 96 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: goal lists, creating this long list of a hundred dreams 97 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: might be wise as a way to just sort of 98 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: get the creative juices going. 99 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, I kind of think I've yon 100 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: my share of annual planning seminars at this point. And 101 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: the problem is I can't really tell people to go 102 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: and whip up there are one hundred dreams lists because 103 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: most people don't have it. But I can see how 104 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: looking at a global list could be just one of 105 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: those nice triggers as you then sit down to make 106 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: your annual goals. So I need to think about that. Well, 107 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: maybe you. 108 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: Could strongly encourage people to do it as like their 109 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: pretty homework homework, right, like, try to get at least 110 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: fifty on there, and then that will get people started 111 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: and they can keep adding to it. 112 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: Over time. But yeah, so. 113 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: We started working on our goals recently. I mean, you know, Sarah, 114 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: we a little bit of a philosophical thing here. We'll 115 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: tell you that when we were starting to do these notes, 116 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: Sarah was a little bit reluctant to send specific goals. 117 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: Now why was that, Sarah? 118 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: Because we're recording this and it's not even halfway through 119 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 2: December yet, and I'm just not quite feeling ready to 120 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: commit because I don't feel like I've done my full 121 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: process justice and I know what a good annual planning 122 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 2: process looks like. And I, as I said I during Live, 123 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: I was kind of an active participant when Laura was 124 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: leading it, but all the goal part I was leading it, 125 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: so I wasn't really there to like do my own stuff. 126 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 2: And I life has been very full, and I just 127 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: haven't done my own, like full big picture stuff. So 128 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: I still want to consider these like draft mode. I 129 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: think I'm close. I think I want to iron out 130 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 2: a few specifics as we'll talk about, because some of 131 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: them it's like, Okay, I have the idea, but I 132 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: don't have the mechanics entirely nailed down. But yeah, I 133 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: think it's just the time of year, and the fact 134 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: that I don't feel like I've done my official goal 135 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 2: setting yet, that I wasn't totally ready to be like 136 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,679 Speaker 2: this is it on the stone tablet? 137 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, because when we cycles, we actually do intend to 138 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: keep them. I mean that's the thing, like we won't 139 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: set one that we don't actually really want to do. 140 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 2: Oh for the most part, I think that's part. 141 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: Of taking one's goals seriously. I always think of November 142 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: and December as resolutions preseason that this is a good 143 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: time to you know, this is airing close to the 144 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: start of the new year, but for us, since we 145 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: were recording this in mid December, I think of this 146 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: time as like a football team in the weeks before 147 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: the season starts. I mean, you're practicing, you're doing some 148 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: games even, but they don't count for your standings. So 149 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: if you have some sort of goal you are thinking 150 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: of committing to instead of just saying like, oh, well, 151 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: maybe i'll start on January first, and then you're trying 152 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: to figure it out and you don't know how it'll 153 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: fit in your life. It's not very specific. You can 154 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: spend the weeks before the start of the new year 155 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: ironing all those things out, saying, well, what is appealing 156 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: about this goal? Well, how can I make it specific? 157 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: What's something that would fit into my regular life and 158 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: that I am excited about? And then you test drive 159 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: it for a while. Right, If there's something we want 160 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: to do, you try it out, because there's nothing magical 161 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: happens January first. You're not going to be a different person. 162 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: So if you absolutely cannot make it fit on December seventeen, 163 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: there's no reason to think that you will on January second, 164 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: so it's worth trying it out totally. 165 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: And I made a slight face when you said, oh, 166 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: when we set goals, we want to do them all 167 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: or something. And I guess my only thing is, like 168 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: I have an attitude of like in an ideal world, 169 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: but I don't like expect to get all my goals done, 170 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: if that makes sense, Like I will consider it a 171 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: very successful year if I bat like sixty or seventy percent. 172 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 2: And I think that helps me not get like to 173 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 2: like upset or rigid about setting them to begin with, 174 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: or too frustrated with myself when inevitably I don't get 175 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: some of them done and we'll talk about it. But like, 176 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: there's many goals I set so many times and failed 177 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: and then ultimately succeeded. So I know for my own 178 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: story that that's possible, and it doesn't mean that just 179 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: because you couldn't do something one year doesn't mean you 180 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: can never do it. Yeah. 181 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: All right, Well, with that in mind, I guess we 182 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: can go ahead and get it started. So Sarah Personal 183 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: goals for twenty twenty five. 184 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 2: Yay, all right. Well, I'm going to be like Captain 185 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: boring and obvious and start with some fitness stuff and 186 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 2: I want to strength train at least one hundred times, 187 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: so that would be an average of about two times 188 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: a week, so that should be a doable number. I 189 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: have to put strength kind of on my goals list. 190 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: It's not automatically going to happen. I know I'm going 191 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: to run, but I do not know that I will 192 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: do strength. But I think it's so incredibly important for many, 193 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: many reasons. So one hundred strength training sessions. I'm going 194 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: to leave it open as to what those will look like, 195 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: whether they will be following an online thing, working with 196 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: a trainer, doing a class. That part I'm gonna explore, 197 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: and I'm fine if it's a mix of all those things, 198 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: like it doesn't have to be one thing all year, 199 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: but one hundred sessions I'm committed to. And then this 200 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: one's a little difficult. But I would like to run 201 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: Boston Marathon in April of twenty twenty six, and I 202 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: do not know whether twenty twenty five whether I will 203 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: need to try to run a good, safe Boston qualifying time, 204 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: because as this airs, I haven't run my Discember marathon 205 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 2: yet and I don't know how that's going to go. 206 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: So I guess I will just have like this contingent 207 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: if I do not run a great race, if I 208 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: do not run sub three p forty on my December race, 209 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 2: then my goal will be to do so in somewhere 210 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: in the spring. 211 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 1: All right. 212 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: I would like to work on my wardrobe this year. 213 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 2: I wanted to do that. Last year I didn't do it, 214 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: And this time I got a little bit more specific 215 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: about the items I wish to buy, because I think 216 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: that will help me just be more concrete about things 217 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: I need. Jeans. My jeans are like literally falling apart. 218 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: Like I've had multiple people ask me with a skeptical 219 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: look on their face, is that hole? Did you put 220 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: it there? Was it? Like fashion and I was like, 221 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: it's my own hole. It's time to like on facele. Yeah. 222 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: So I have one pair of presentable jeans and I 223 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: need like two more so because that's kind of what 224 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: I wear on my non work days a lot of 225 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: the time. That and beery joggers, which is not great. 226 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, two pairs of jeans. I want to get 227 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: two presentable tops that are not T shirts. I want 228 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: one professional outfit for speaking and globally. I would like 229 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 2: to invest more in my clothing, not counting super shoes, 230 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 2: than I did in twenty twenty four, which should not 231 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 2: be hard because I did not invest much at all 232 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Then I played around with I really 233 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: want to read more again. I mean I generally read 234 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: a lot, but I just I don't know. I had 235 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: a bad slump towards the end of twenty twenty four 236 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: that I haven't fully recovered from, and I was like, 237 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 2: what would be the most kind of easy, like no 238 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: pressure type of goal. And I think for me, I 239 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: came up with read ten minutes of nonfiction a day 240 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: and ten minutes of fiction to day. Now I can 241 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 2: read more than that, certainly, and I'm sure I will 242 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 2: many days. But if I'm like, eh, it's just ten minutes, 243 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: Like who cares? Like that will add up to a 244 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: lot of books, because I probably will end up reading 245 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: far more than ten minutes when I get into a book. 246 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 2: And this is a sub goal that I didn't write down. 247 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 2: But I need to be quicker at abandoning books that 248 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: I don't like. I mean, really, if I have like 249 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: a week where I'm barely making any headway, I just 250 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: need to move on. It means the book is not good. 251 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: It's not me, it's the book. And then this is 252 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: not like a goal goal. But I really enjoy the 253 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: practice of like tracking my media. I do it every 254 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: day in my hope nichi, and I am just excited 255 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: to like make that a consistent practice in twenty twenty five. 256 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: Awesome, Well we'll take a quick ad break and then 257 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: I'll be back talking about my personal goals. Well we 258 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: are back. This is our annual Goals episode, setting our 259 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: goals for twenty twenty five. And I'm with Sarah that 260 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: because we're recording this in mid December, maybe these are 261 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: still sort of draft goals. So my personal goals for 262 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: the year, you know, in twenty twenty four, I listen 263 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: to all the works of Bach, and so sort of 264 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: a logical continuation of that would be to listen to 265 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: all the works of Beethoven. In twenty twenty five. There 266 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: are a couple people who we're listening to BAC who 267 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: are doing this. The crew that listened to Bak is 268 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: going to be listening to Beethoven, so obviously, you know, 269 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: if I want to keep up with. 270 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 2: Them, we could do that. 271 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: There we found a calendar, so I don't even have 272 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: to create one, which is an added bonus since I 273 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: created the back catalog and it was a ton of work, 274 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: so I'm pretty sure that will. 275 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 2: Wind up being my goal. 276 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: I thought it might also or in place that read 277 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: Ana Karinya, the other Tolstoi book. I read Warren Piece 278 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one a chapter a day, and a 279 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: Karnina is you know, there's some debate on how we 280 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: say that, but anyway, it's about two hundred and sixty 281 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy chapters. So that would also lend 282 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: itself to at least a couple months, you know, nine 283 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: months of the year reading a chapter a day. 284 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 2: But I could do that as well. 285 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, but those are kind of the two 286 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: that I was weighing with that another personal goal, I 287 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: am going to eat produce for breakfast. 288 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 2: And so is that vegetables fruit or booth fruit, vegetables, fruit, avensibals? 289 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: Okay, and this is with the goal of eating more 290 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: fruits and vegetables in general. 291 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: But I figure that's kind of vague. 292 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: So one way to make this doable is to eat 293 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: a serving with breakfast, because that tends to be a 294 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: meal that I'm probably not usually eating fruits or vegetables, 295 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: So if I add that in there, that will most 296 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: likely be in addition to what I am eating, and 297 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: I think it will also nudge me to have more 298 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: in the house, to have more that I like in 299 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: the house, to experiment with different things that I might 300 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: enjoy eating, So. 301 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: Produce for breakfast. 302 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: I am going to strength train twice a week, so 303 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm working out once a week with my trainer, So 304 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: similar with Sarah, I'm I guess one hundred sessions would 305 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: be a good thing to commit to, and probably do 306 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: about fifty with my trainer, and then we'll probably do 307 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: fifty on my own. It doesn't have to be long 308 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: on my own, could just be you know, ten to 309 00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. But yeah, those are my personal goals for 310 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: the year. 311 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: Awesome. Ooh, I was like really excited to find out 312 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: what like listening or reading. So I'll be interested to 313 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: see if you end up pursuing both the Beethoven and 314 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: the Enna Karenina. 315 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, how do we say her last name? 316 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: People rave about that book though, so. 317 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: Well, I've read it before. I read it twenty years ago. 318 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: It was good, but yeah, it's been a long time 319 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: since I've read it, and I've been told you read 320 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: it differently as a middle aged person than you probably 321 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: do in your twenties. 322 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, it would be really fun to revisit like 323 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: books that you thought were super cool when you were 324 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: young and see how you feel about them, Like I 325 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: should reread The Bell Jar, and I think maybe you shouldn't. 326 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: I'll let you know. Okay, not on my goals list, 327 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: all right, anyway, Moving to work, all right, work, My 328 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: work goals are pretty much all in my creative work. 329 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: Not to say I don't have a gold be like 330 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: an excellent physician in my other work, but I just 331 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: feel like I'm more I don't want to say autopilot, 332 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: but I'm more settled there and there's more growth on 333 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: the other side. So my big one is that I 334 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: need to finish and launch my book into the world. 335 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: This will be my first experience I what a book 336 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: launch looks like. I'm scared. I do think this is 337 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: going to be like a ton of activity in January 338 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: and February, not a lot of stuff for a bunch 339 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: of months, and then like a frenzy towards the end 340 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: of the year. We'll see if I'm right. I do 341 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: want to put myself out there more in terms of 342 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: like pitch more than two podcasts like I did last year, 343 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 2: and maybe like see if I can expand speaking opportunities 344 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: things like that. I already have a couple on the 345 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: calendar that I'm excited about, but I don't know I 346 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 2: enjoy doing it, So maybe explore doing more of that. 347 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: We'll have a book coming out. Maybe they'll be like 348 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: those things will tie together. I want to improve if 349 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: I have one routine that I want to work on, 350 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: and I'm big on like just picking like one routine. 351 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: My like shutdown ritual is terrible. I mean, I talk 352 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: about it and I think it's very valuable, but I 353 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: can't seem to be like I am done. I've cleaned 354 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 2: up my loose ends. I'm not going to open my 355 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 2: work e mail up again. And it's annoying. It's annoying 356 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: to me. I want to shut down. So I'm gonna 357 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 2: work on that one specifically. And then this is real vague, 358 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 2: but because of the book work I think being very 359 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 2: beginning of the year, end of the year, and because 360 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: like I don't really have anything else work wise planned, 361 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: I feel like I just need some kind of fun 362 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: summer project to be determined to be. 363 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: Okay, well, that is a vague goal. I guess we 364 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: will find out next year what that was. That's what 365 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: you're reviewing. 366 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, I'm gonna be like really but no, I mean, 367 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: maybe we'll check in, maybe we'll know what. But then 368 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: I'll definitely be able to unveil whatever it is. Maybe 369 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 2: I'll do like a Nano Orimo, but like in the summer, 370 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: like something like that. It's just something different, something different. Okay, 371 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: all right, sounds good. 372 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: All right, So my work goals for the year for 373 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, I'm going to finish the book that 374 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: is currently being called Big Time and then lay the 375 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: groundwork for getting that out into the world, so very 376 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: similar to Sarah. My book deadline is April of this year, 377 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: and then it will likely come out in the first 378 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: quarter or so of twenty twenty six, so similar flory 379 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: to get it written first part of the year, a 380 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: little bit of time off, and then starting up the 381 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: promotion machine towards the end of the year. I want 382 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 1: to write a novel draft, so that might be my 383 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: summer project. Is I'm getting the itch to do some 384 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: more fiction, but I don't even have an idea yet, 385 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,239 Speaker 1: So in order to make that happen, I really need 386 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: to spend some time thinking about it. I am going 387 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: to re up for one more year on sonnets. I'm 388 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: going to write fifty two more sonnets at the pace 389 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: of two lines a day. So you know, I've been 390 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: doing this for the past two years, have one hundred 391 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: and four sonnets by the time this airs, So I 392 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: guess I will have one hundred fifty six, or I 393 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: guess one hundred and fifty seven based on the number 394 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: of how the weeks go with a year. But yeah, 395 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed doing this, and the discipline of doing 396 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: it over and over again means that you're constantly thinking 397 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: about it and then, like I said I've said before, 398 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: most are bad, sum are okay, a few I really like, 399 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: But it's by continuing to keep doing it that you 400 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: get more of the ones that you really like, and 401 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: so over the years that will add up. And then finally, 402 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: the last work goal I have is to grow vander 403 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: Hacks into somewhere between eight hundred and one thousand paid 404 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: subscribers by the end of twenty twenty five. So we're 405 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: currently at about four hundred, so that would just mean 406 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: doubling what happened in twenty twenty four, which theoretically sounds 407 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: like it should be doable. The issues, of course, your 408 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: biggest fans are the ones who sign up first, so 409 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: I have to find some more new big fans. So 410 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: somewhere between eight hundred and one thousand is where I 411 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: hope to end the year, and that would be a 412 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: good rate of growth and would make me feel like 413 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: this was a profitable project. 414 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 2: And reminder listeners where they can sign up for that. 415 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well if you would like to sign up. 416 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: I mean, if everyone listening to this sign up, we'd 417 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: have way more than a thousand paid subscribers. So if 418 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: you're listening to this, if you enjoy this content, you're thinking, 419 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: how can I get more of Laura? So I do 420 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: a short every weekday tip over at vander Hacks, which 421 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: is a substack newsletter. So if you go to substack 422 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: dot com and search for vander Hacks, you will find 423 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: me and you can sign up for a free subscription 424 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: to see if you like it. There are five posts 425 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: a week, three or free two or behind the paywall, 426 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: so hopefully you will like what you are getting in 427 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: your inbox every morning or if you check in the 428 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: substack app. But I really enjoyed doing that and would 429 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: love to have some more people join me there. 430 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 2: And I think they would be a lovely like morning 431 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 2: ritual for someone. Yeah, if they're looking for different things 432 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 2: they want to start the day with, that would be 433 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: a nice, lie motivating. 434 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I know some people listen to Before Breakfast, 435 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: which has sort of a similar theme of a weekday 436 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: morning tip, but I know not everyone likes to listen 437 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 1: to their tips, And so if you're more of a 438 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: reading person, this is a way to get at something 439 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: similar and just in an entirely different format. 440 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 2: Love it all? 441 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: Right? 442 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 2: Well, that was work. We are now at relationships and 443 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: I'm going to set in Gold. That was as vague 444 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: as last year. I need to make this less vague. 445 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: Well there's some specificity, Okay, So that's a goal, Sarah. 446 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: I still feel like the best thing I can do 447 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 2: for my family and my parenting is to have nice 448 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: one on one experiences with each of the members of 449 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 2: my immediate family, and so I want to curate those 450 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 2: and seek those out as much as possible. With Annabel, 451 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: I want to make her gymnastics meets quality time. I mean, 452 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 2: it won't be just me going to all of them, 453 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 2: but for some of them. For Cameron, I want to 454 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: do some kind of solo excursion or day with him. 455 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: And then for Genevieve, I want to take her on 456 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: a seven year old trip. I did that with Annabel, 457 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: Josh took Cameron skiing, and then so Genevieve has some 458 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: ideas for what she wants to do. So I guess 459 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: that's kind of specific. But I also just globally want 460 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: to keep working on ways to get my kids one 461 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 2: on one, and I want to repeat my monthly date idea, 462 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: except this time, I think I'm gonna sit down with 463 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 2: Josh and we're gonna make a list of twelve restaurants 464 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 2: we want to try because we do love trying like 465 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: new and exciting cuisines, like either in Miami or Fort Lauderdale. 466 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 2: And I think it'd be really fun to have that 467 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 2: list to feel like we were going to go through. 468 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 2: We kind of did that last year where we didn't 469 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 2: formalize it or put it into one list, so I 470 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 2: think that will be fun, and I want to do 471 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 2: two short couples trips again. I also want to throw 472 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 2: a casual neighborhood hang. I've done this a couple of 473 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 2: years ago, but I didn't do it last year and 474 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 2: it was great, and we've had some new neighbors move in, 475 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 2: so I feel like I need to do it again. 476 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: And then I want to connect with my far flung 477 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 2: friends in person. So I'm hoping for, probably in addition 478 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 2: to seeing you, Laura, probably like two friend trips over 479 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 2: the course of the year, plus connecting with endocolleagues at 480 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 2: Pediatric Endocrine Society, So that would be a lot of 481 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: like meeting up with old friends, and I think that 482 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 2: would be great. Yeah, that sounds like a lot of fun. 483 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: Well, I certainly love to have you come visit Philly 484 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: and I will make it to Fort Lauderdale in the 485 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: course of the year, probably at least twice. That seems 486 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: to be the regular rhythm of what we do. So yeah, 487 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: my relationship goals, I guess this could be sort of 488 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: personal or relationship. I want to go to three professional 489 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: sports events in the course of the year, and obviously 490 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm probably going to go with someone. Maybe Michael could 491 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: be an older kid, I guess. But I want to 492 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 1: go to a Sixers game. I want to go to 493 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: a Phillies game, and I want to go to an 494 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: Eagles game. So that will take me through multiple seasons 495 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: of Philadelphia sports. Sadly, these Sixers are not doing all 496 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: that well, so that might be slightly less excite, which 497 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: was you know, as we're looking at dates, so that 498 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: we're like, well, do we choose like when they're playing 499 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: a really good team, like knowing they're gonna lose, but 500 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: at least we'll see a really good team play, or 501 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, do we see a team they're more likely 502 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: to win, but then maybe the basketball won't be as great. 503 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: I don't know, tough choices, but the Phillies and the Eagles, 504 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: so you know, we'll go see them. I want to 505 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: host a holiday party, and I'm not specifying which holiday, 506 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: so it could be it could be the Arbor Day party, 507 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: but it will I mean most likely would be in 508 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: November in December. But you know, as we get more 509 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: and more festive decorations in this house, I think it 510 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: might be fun to share the joy of that, which 511 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: would be fun to do. But I'm not limiting myself 512 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: to only that. So if I decide to host a 513 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: different kind of party at some other point of the year, 514 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: maybe I'll just tie it to some holiday that is 515 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: occurring around then. I am going to be launching my 516 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: first kid out of the nest. Over the of the 517 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: next year. Think of this project as enjoying our last 518 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: eight months together. I know, Jasper and I actually have 519 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: a trip planned as part of our choir We're going 520 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: on to acchoir tour together this summer, which will be 521 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. But also think about, you know, 522 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: what does he need to know, Like, what are sort 523 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: of life skills that one needs to succeed in a 524 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: new environment and you thinking about that, and then the 525 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: last three months or so of twenty twenty five, he 526 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: will be most likely starting school somewhere and so kind 527 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: of thinking about how it can be supportive during that transition. So, yeah, 528 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: that'll be a big thing. And then my last one 529 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: is kind of thinking of ourself as a musical family, 530 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: and I want all the kids to be in some 531 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: sort of music by the end of twenty twenty five. 532 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: And everyone is now except Henry. So I will start 533 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: Henry probably as he starts kindergarten. That's a good time 534 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: to Yeah, he could join the church children's choir. He 535 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: could start doing piano lessons. I think it would be 536 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: good to get him started on that. And then about 537 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: with that, you know, practicing myself modeling what it means 538 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: to be a working musician. I'm practicing frequently, both piano 539 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: and voice and how one makes that part of one's life. 540 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 2: I love that. If my husband heard this, he'd be 541 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 2: so jealous. I think he wants us to be a 542 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: musical family. We stabvil, but that's awesome. I'm very impressed 543 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: that all of your kids and then soon Henry as well, 544 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: will be doing some kind of music. That's amazing. All right, Well, 545 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 2: we have one more category because I again, again I 546 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: like it for myself. All right, so I dragged Laura along. Okay, Well, 547 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 2: what's the category, Sarah, the categories household? No, I said it, okay, 548 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 2: it's household, and I have two things. One I forgot 549 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: to write here, but I want to try again with 550 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: my reading goal. I really think my kids actually need 551 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 2: to develop the ability or work on the ability to 552 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 2: sit there and read for thirty minutes, and not everybody 553 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: seems to do that very easily, So that is my goal. 554 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: Genevieve still isn't totally independent with her reading, but I 555 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 2: think there are some great solutions to that, like maybe 556 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 2: audiobooks would be kind of her surrogate for a little 557 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 2: while as she follows along. But Josh is also very 558 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 2: interested in this, so I think that will help, just 559 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: kind of having both family members on board, just like 560 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 2: as I wanted to do it before. I don't care 561 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 2: what they read. It could be a graphic novel, it 562 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: could be like I will supply them with whatever book. 563 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 2: I just want this to be ideally a weekly, regular 564 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 2: habit that we all just start to establish together. And 565 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 2: we can still all enjoy screens absolutely, but I need 566 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 2: to preserve their ability to focus and read. 567 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: So you think you want to have a regular family 568 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: reading time? 569 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Okay, even if it's everyone thirty minutes thirty 570 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 2: minutes okay, low bar oh, And someone had the idea 571 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 2: of like making like a baked good like as part 572 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: or like having like a fun snack to go with that. 573 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 2: So if it takes that to make the family excited 574 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 2: about it, I will try that. But yeah, family reading, 575 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 2: and then I did give myself a break from wanting 576 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 2: to organize my house in twenty twenty four, but I'm 577 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 2: back to wanting to organize my house in twenty twenty five, 578 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 2: and this time I'm planning on possibly outsourcing some of 579 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: this to either our nanny and or possibly a professional. 580 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: I don't have my plan in place of how I 581 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: want to do this, but I kind of just want 582 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: to go like category by category over the course of 583 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 2: the year. I don't see it as a one and 584 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 2: done thing, but like we're not doing the basic maintenance 585 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: of clearing stuff out, Like my kids have clothing in 586 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: their drawers that does not fit them. It's just the 587 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: bar is not that high for what I mean by organized, 588 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 2: but we're not reaching it. 589 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: So so yeah, I was gonna say, like, what's the 590 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: actual goal here, Like how will we know when we 591 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: record at the end of twenty twenty five that Sarah 592 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: has met this goal. 593 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: I want to have like gone through every room and 594 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 2: mostly just decluttered stuff that really doesn't belong there. That's 595 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: the main thing. It doesn't have to be arranged artfully, 596 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 2: but our draws can't be crammed with like random stuff. 597 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like dire dire, but I don't 598 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 2: want it to get there. And I mean to some extent, 599 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 2: we have a decent sized house and I just feel 600 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 2: like we've just like let ourselves fill the space. But 601 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 2: then sometimes it really you know, it's like where are 602 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 2: the keys while the key bin has like forty different 603 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 2: items in there that like don't need to be there, 604 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 2: like things like that. Like I just it's time and 605 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: if I'm not able to do this on my own, 606 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 2: which I may not be, then it's time to bring 607 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 2: in the troops of some kind. 608 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: Understn't know what understood well, you know, and you've pointed 609 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: out that you can not fail, but like I mean, 610 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: you could not reach sort of your oh yeah, ar 611 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: of a goal multiple years and then keep putting it 612 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: on there and then eventually do it. It's not that 613 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: it's going to move forward forever. That you know, might 614 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: six years but then happen. 615 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: Yes, And I'm comfortable with that. I mean, I had 616 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 2: flossing was a goal for me like in my thirty 617 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 2: or twenties and thirties, like for like years, and like 618 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 2: that's something I do regularly without even thinking about strength training. 619 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 2: I did fall off the wagon this year, but generally 620 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 2: have been pretty good about it in recent years. And 621 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 2: that was something I used to fail at, like every year, 622 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 2: book writing, state planning, like there have been so many 623 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: things that I have just put on there and it 624 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 2: just takes the right like set of conditions and sometimes 625 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 2: reframing it or getting help. And actually it's kind of 626 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: interesting to think about what helps you move forward on 627 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: a goal that you get stuck on, and that could 628 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: be a whole other episode. But I have no shame 629 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 2: in putting something on there that's been on there before, 630 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: and I hope this will be the year. Yeah. No, 631 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: I mean there's nothing wrong with trying a goal again. 632 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: I mean I'd put you know, write a collection of 633 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: seasonal sonnets on my list of one hundred dreams year 634 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: many many times and had not done it, and then 635 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: finally found a way that I could do it, which 636 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: is riding the two lines a day over the course 637 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: of the year, and that made me stick with it. 638 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: Or goals like singing the B Minor Mass. I didn't 639 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: pull that off as an annual goal without knowing that 640 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: there was going to be a way to do it. 641 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: But you can try things again. That's definitely true. I 642 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: would say my household goal, I'm going to expand my 643 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: miniature scenes. This is a fun goal because it means 644 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: I get to buy things and I get to put 645 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: them in my office. And I have a number of 646 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: little room vignettes. I have a kitchen, I have a 647 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: living room, I have a laundry room, I have a bedroom. 648 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: I may be getting for Christmas a bathroom. 649 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: How was that fun? 650 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: Like, you know, get a little uh, but it has 651 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: to ship from Australia so it hasn't gotten here yet. 652 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: But it was bathtub, toilet, cabinet, various sink. 653 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 2: Can you turn the water on? 654 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: No, there was no plumbing in my miniature scene. That 655 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: would be a little bit. You can put lights in 656 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: fairly easy. Plumbing would be harder to pull off. You 657 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: need like a little bucket of water under it. That'd 658 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: be cool though, But I've also enjoyed getting the accessories, Like, 659 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: so Ruth got me a bunch of little kitchen accessories 660 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: for my birthday, Like there were little cereal boxes and 661 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: a fruit bowl and it's endless, Like. 662 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 2: You could do this forever. 663 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: And I was stymied on this for years because I 664 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: didn't have a dollhouse. 665 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 2: And I was like, well, I gotta make my dollhouse, 666 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 2: you know. 667 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: I got to buy the dollhouse kit, and I bought 668 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: a dollhouse kit, but then I didn't build because, like, 669 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: woodworking is not on my goals, Like I don't really 670 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: want to like build this thing. That's not the part 671 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: of it I like. And a lot of the prefab 672 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: ones are just not very good. So I was either 673 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: going to have to hire somebody to make me a dollhouse, 674 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: which I could, but that's its separate project. But then 675 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: I was like, well, I like the rooms, like when 676 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: I go to see like when I'm at the Chicago 677 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: Art Institute of Chicago, I go see the miniature rooms, 678 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: like the rooms in the wall. They don't have a dollhouse. 679 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: They have the rooms in the wall. Or the Indianapolis 680 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: Children Museum also has a bunch of rooms in the wall. 681 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 2: I'll do that. You know. That's good. So, yeah, I 682 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 2: can't wait to see them. I've seen the ones you 683 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 2: have now, so it's going to expand. It's exciting. Yeah, 684 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: it is, all right. 685 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: So moving to our question section, how often would you 686 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: review these goal lists? So we've made this goal list. 687 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 2: So I, with my nested goal system, kind of have 688 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 2: the practice of pulling it out every season. And I 689 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 2: have to say doing this formally with others via planning 690 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 2: by season in twenty twenty four was helpful because I 691 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 2: got my list out every time too, and I'm like, 692 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 2: this is actually great, like a planned opportunity that I'm 693 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: forced to look at this and figure out like what 694 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 2: actually fits for the season. So I think season works 695 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 2: really really well for this, whether it's quarterly or quintiles 696 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 2: or however you like to organize the year. I guess 697 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 2: I will mention that I am doing planning by season 698 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, so if you want to review your 699 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 2: annual goals with me and plan your seasons with me 700 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 2: next year, you can, But doing it on your own 701 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 2: absolutely works too. Or maybe some people might benefit from monthly, 702 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 2: but I don't know, four or five times a year, 703 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 2: I feel like keeps the novelty and like it isn't 704 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 2: too much pressure but also will remind you of what 705 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 2: you planned and you won't forget about it. Yeah. 706 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: I mean the daily stuff is pretty easy because it 707 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: is in fact daily, so unless I got really off 708 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: of it, I think I would remember things like you know, 709 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: listening to the music, writing the sonnets. Some of them 710 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: will be a little bit trickier to remember. But I 711 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: guess we do our check in in June, our mid 712 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: year check in, so that's always a good chance to 713 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: do it. I would probably do season as well. Probably 714 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: I should do one in mid spring, one for June 715 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: for our check in at kind of the beginning of 716 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: the fall. I think those would all be good times 717 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: to check in and see that I've staying on track. 718 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 2: I've also seen other people do really interesting things with 719 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 2: their list, like if they really want to be reminded, 720 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 2: they'll like make it their screensaver, or like print out 721 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 2: a copy and put it above their desk or stuff 722 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 2: like that. Yeah. I generally like it more intermittent, but hey, 723 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 2: I think whatever you. 724 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: Can note on the bathroom mirror, hey, you know every 725 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: morning you're looking at it, am I achieving my goals 726 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: yet if not, why not, Well, you know it would 727 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 1: be good to remind ourselves of that at least somewhat. 728 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: All right, So, Sarah, love of the week, What is 729 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: your love of the week? 730 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 2: This time a blog reader turned me onto year end 731 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 2: lists dot Com. So you guys know, I love my 732 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 2: best music of twenty twenty four and best books and 733 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 2: best whatever from various sources. But then sometimes it's Paywalt 734 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 2: or whatever, and like this is a site that like 735 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 2: aggregates all of them, and it's so fun to just 736 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 2: read through and like get ideas for movies you might 737 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,439 Speaker 2: want to see your books read or music to listen 738 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: to it. I think even at a podcast category, I 739 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 2: didn't click on that. I'm sure we're number one, like obviously, 740 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 2: but yeah, super fun resource. Year end lists dot. 741 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: Com, Year end Lists dot Com. Yeah that sounds like 742 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: a website made precisely for you, Sarah. They're like, who 743 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: is our target audience? It is Sarah, it is me. 744 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: Well probably a lot of other people too. Yeah. I 745 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: mean I would say I like the idea of very 746 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: specific goals, and partly I think it is that sort 747 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: of resolutions preseason noodling on it where you come up 748 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: with how to make a goal specific. So something like 749 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: eating produce for breakfast is very specific, and I know, 750 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: well I have I done it, have I not. It's 751 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: something that I can think about every morning. But just 752 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: the idea of turning a vaguer goal like I want 753 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: to eat more fruits and vegetables into something that is 754 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 1: truly doable, like I want to listen to more classical 755 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: music and became listening to thirty minutes of Bach last 756 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: year and I guess this year. Yeah, but the idea 757 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: of being very specific in the goals helps make them 758 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: feel more exciting, I think, even because it's not like, oh, well, 759 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: I guess I got to figure out how to fit 760 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: this into life, and even to remind myself of it frequently, 761 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: it's just like, no, this is something that's concrete that 762 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: I can do. 763 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, you feel more of a sense of achievement 764 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 2: when you checked it off, when you know it was 765 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 2: exactly what you like sit out to do exactly. 766 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: All right, Well, this has been best of both worlds. 767 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: We've done our annual goals episode. We'll check back in 768 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: over the course of the year. If we have done 769 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 1: these things, we'll definitely be talking about it at probably 770 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: the end of June, certainly at the end of twenty 771 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,479 Speaker 1: twenty five. It's funny to think about twenty twenty five, 772 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: Laura and Sarah sitting here discussing the year. But I'm 773 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,720 Speaker 1: sure it will have been a year one way or another. 774 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: The time is going to pass, and hopefully it will 775 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: be filled with many wonderful things. We hope it is 776 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: filled with many wonderful things for our listeners as well. 777 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: So thank you for listening to us in twenty twenty four. 778 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,240 Speaker 1: Here's another great year together. 779 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 2: Yes, Happy New Year, Happy twenty twenty five in advance. 780 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been best of both worlds. We'll be 781 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: back next week in twenty twenty five with more on 782 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: making work and life fit together. 783 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 784 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 2: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 785 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:23,760 Speaker 2: and you can. 786 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: Find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has 787 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: been the best of both worlds podcasts. 788 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,280 Speaker 2: Please join us next time for more on making work 789 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 2: and life work together.