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Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna and Kevin

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Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast. Welcome to That's Why Really miss Podcast

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Speaker 1: Part two, Ian Brennan. There's more, Kevin, There's more to

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Speaker 1: be talked about. Oh, there's always more, And I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited for everyone to hear. I hope everybody enjoyed that

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Speaker 1: Part one of Mystery and Brennan. You just get like

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Speaker 1: a taste of who he is. Just a ball of

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Speaker 1: sunshine and a genius, a brilliant mind. Yeah, well, let's

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Speaker 1: get to it part two. Did you read the articles?

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Speaker 1: Did you read reviews? Did you read all of that? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I which is awful. I mean it's like it's

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Speaker 1: just like a form of self harm, truly, like um,

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Speaker 1: but I was actually careful about it. There's only there

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Speaker 1: was only a few, only a couple writers. Only one

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Speaker 1: who I can name, uh, Emily Vanderworth, Emily Taught Vanderworth,

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Speaker 1: who used to write for a V club. Now I

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Speaker 1: think it's Vervox, who is a complete genius. Is just

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Speaker 1: very very very smart. If somebody like can write stuff

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Speaker 1: about a show you're doing, You're like, oh, you had

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Speaker 1: a deeper insight than I did. Like you actually saw

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Speaker 1: the stupid way that we like would dole out writing credit,

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Speaker 1: which is like the show was written the first two

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Speaker 1: seasons were written identically. It was like Ryan would sort

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Speaker 1: of the structure of the show, and then Brad and

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Speaker 1: like heartwarming, Brad wrote it. Then Ryan would sort of

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Speaker 1: like edit it all together, and that was an episode

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Speaker 1: and they were all but sometimes like a different name,

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Speaker 1: but then it'd be like written by rotating. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: then Emily had this like theory and it was sort

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Speaker 1: of right. She had wrote wrote at it, wrote about

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Speaker 1: it at like Atlanta, about like the three Glees, the

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Speaker 1: and she was like, oh, there are three these three

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Speaker 1: creators have a totally different idea about what this show is.

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Speaker 1: Ryan's is about ambition and about like flash and about

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Speaker 1: out Louise Brad's is about like the sort of like soapy,

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Speaker 1: And then mine was just funny. I was just like

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Speaker 1: making fun of all of it, which is completely true,

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Speaker 1: but she has evidence. She'd be like, see, just look

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Speaker 1: at this episode, which is penned by Ian Brennan, and

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Speaker 1: was like, you happen to be right, that's exactly right,

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Speaker 1: and it's weird that like you could take and probably

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Speaker 1: was maybe a reason why the show worked in that

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Speaker 1: way was three very different ideas about what the show

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Speaker 1: even what was kind of yes, yes, which is why

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Speaker 1: like it. Probably three of you also had that synergy

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Speaker 1: working together because when you watch it, you guys can

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Speaker 1: can address this really like stomach sort of racism. Hey wait,

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Speaker 1: little turnover on that crew, as we've said multiple times,

427
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: and we were all very very close. Yeah, you don't

428
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 1: mess with our crew. Yeah. And just because like the

429
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: people at home watching the show didn't see them, that

430
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: was there was no difference between star and then a guest.

431
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: I came in at the eight towards the end of

432
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: this series and decided to cut himself during a take

433
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: and was not very nice to a cameraman and I

434
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: literally got up and walked out of the room. Do

435
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: you know, really, I don't know who this is. It's

436
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: okay it later, um. But so, speaking of behind the camera,

437
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: had you directed before? How did you get to direct

438
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: your first episode and what brought you back? It was? No,

439
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: I never I never directed. For first of all, it's

440
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: the best way to like start directing as on your

441
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: own show, because like guess what, like nobody's gonna fire you.

442
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: You can't even really get yelled at. Pretty great, but

443
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,719
Speaker 1: I was super I was super nervous. I was so

444
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: glad that it was like an episode that like that

445
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: that featured Tina that was so nice to be like,

446
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: oh okay, at least like I've like like everyone was friendly,

447
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: but it was sort of like, oh, like I know

448
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: this person, I like feel close to this person, and

449
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: like we was gonna be I didn't feel like and

450
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: he was like what it oh good goods, but like, yeah,

451
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: it was funny. It was during it was when we

452
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: were shooting the pilot. I remember and this somebody's happens

453
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: with Ryan, but he always comes around. He'll he like

454
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: leaned back and he was like, so I want you

455
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: to direct one of these episodes in the first thirteen.

456
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow. I was like yeah totally.

457
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: And then like the first thirteen passed, and then it

458
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: was like in the back nine, he like leaned back

459
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: from it was, hey, I really want you to direct

460
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: an episode in this back nine Like yeah, totally, and

461
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: then then like the back nine happened then like that

462
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: then he was like I really want you to direct

463
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: in season two and I was like, awesome, I'm like

464
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: totally there. Then like at the end of season two,

465
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: it's like season three, it is like definitely, and then

466
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: I was like okay. I was like I think I

467
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: see a pattern. It wasn't, so then I just stopped.

468
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: I was just like, I wonder what this come around?

469
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: And then finally it did. Because when you're directing, it's

470
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: very hard to write, and the writing daily thing. It

471
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: was a six day week job. We were constantly writing.

472
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: That makes sense too, writing, so it was like it

473
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: was when could have a little bit more help um,

474
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: then it was easier for me to step off. But

475
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: then I thought it really really fun and I did

476
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: never think I hadn't directed anything since like a play

477
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: in college, but it's like, it's actually a similar thing

478
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: I was. I was actually one of the coolest things.

479
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm uh, this is exactly like

480
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: directing bridget In, like that Tennessee Williams play. It's that

481
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 1: same sort of fear, that same sort of shit your

482
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: pants anxiety. There's always one moment in every every day

483
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: I found in directing where you are in a total

484
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: panic mode where you notice like, oh, we're behind or whatever,

485
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: and it's like it's mostly like panic management and then

486
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: which actually improv training helps a lot with where you

487
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: used to like yeah, you know, like okay, I'm panicking,

488
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: like don't panic. And then yeah, and then you just

489
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: like apply your taste to things. That's sort of like

490
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: how I describe just trying to communicate as much as

491
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: you can and as clearly as you can to get

492
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: actors to do it the way you're hearing it as

493
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: it is, being like oh, and then just get them

494
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: to a place. But you guys were so good. That

495
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: was pretty That was always really easy. And then it

496
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: was Chris Beff, our first DP, who gave me like

497
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: the first the best directing, the best photography directing, like

498
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: how to photograph an episode. He was like, in every scene,

499
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: know how you get in it, know how you get out,

500
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: and think of one weird camera angle in the middle,

501
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: and he's like, let's do it for you. And then

502
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: Brad the other one at Bratt one time Brad was

503
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm a little bit nervous, like

504
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: I'm about you, and he's like, god, be great. I

505
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: was like, well, any advice and he was just like,

506
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: tell the story you're like, oh yeah, so it's like that.

507
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: It's like Chris Bath's advice and Brad's advice and then

508
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: and then the rest is just like it's just moving

509
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: it a little bit to be like okay, yeah, I

510
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: do that, and then you're like, okay, that's the best

511
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: version of what that is. You're not gonna like it.

512
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: It's we got a million things to do. We can

513
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: only do it. We only have a little bit to

514
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: work on, so not be too precious and then just

515
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: let it. Try to get to as good as you

516
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: can and then try to like make your days. And

517
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: then it's really weird is in the in the editing room.

518
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: I would always find that you would the first assembly

519
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: when you look as when like the editor has done

520
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: their past and you always look in and that's always disappointing.

521
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: You always go in you're like, oh yeah, that's not

522
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: good at all, Like what did I do? Then you

523
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: just have to go in essentially do the same process

524
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: with them of walk them through EACHEAE and be like, Okay,

525
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: here's what I'm It's just about constant, constantly communicating. Like

526
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: some people don't like some there was like a I

527
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: don't know, it was like Jersey Kutowski. There's some like

528
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: famous like theater like director who was like maybe it

529
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: was even like uh, Mike Nichols or somebody who like

530
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: didn't adjust actors would never give an acting adjustment. He

531
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: would like said it, he'd block it, and then he'd

532
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: be like, no, that's what it is, and you're like,

533
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't know how to do that. I'd be like,

534
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: that's that's the only way I know how to do

535
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: it is to talk to an actor and talk through

536
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: even like haltingly and stuff. You're supposed to be able

537
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: to direct an you're supposed to be able to make

538
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: true really good directors are able to make an actor

539
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: do something and make it think, make them think it

540
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: was their idea. So you're like really talk in a

541
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: very passive aggressive way about something and then it's like

542
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: you get the but but it's like you just don't

543
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: have that time in right TV in TV. So I

544
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: think I was always afraid that I would like I

545
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,959
Speaker 1: just would end up. Oh, I would give I would try.

546
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: I would try not to give line readings, but sometimes

547
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: you a good way to give a line reading is

548
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: to paraphrase the line. So to give the musicality of

549
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: the line, the way you like, I think this will

550
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: be a punch line if you sort of seem like this,

551
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: but I don't say the actual word, like paraphrase what

552
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,719
Speaker 1: it is like give it? That would sometimes work. I

553
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: feel like I remember telling you you're like, I don't

554
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: want to give your line ream like no please, you

555
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: know you're reading no. But sometimes it's want to give

556
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: me a line. Sometimes it's it it sounds right when

557
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: I do it, but it doesn't sound right when you

558
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: do it, and it's sometimes it doesn't like it doesn't

559
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: doesn't work. So they're dangerous that way, and then you

560
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: can get like stuck on them. Well you're directing when

561
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: you're right, you're you're direct. There's that too, which is yes,

562
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: and then I controlling as a writer and when I'm

563
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: not directed stuff. So now I do like my writing

564
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: has like very intense um italics and underlines and bolds.

565
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: So it's like I I sort of like I know

566
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: right in a way that is tries to communicate as

567
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: much as fossible that like this is how you say it,

568
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: so it's like a m which makes it look like

569
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,239
Speaker 1: a crazy like it looks like a crazy person and

570
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: that's my writing styles evolved, Like you can actually somebody

571
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: would I think be able to pick it out because

572
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: like this person's crazy or is like it would be

573
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: very specific about That was one time I was directing

574
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: Jamie the Curtis, who I love, but she I overheard

575
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,239
Speaker 1: on Mike. I'd just given a note and then like

576
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: walked back in. It was like on the mic and

577
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: she was like into the boom. I don't think she

578
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: knew the boom was ever, She's like, he's very specific,

579
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, oh, you're totally

580
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: right her. She's awesome. Anyway, it was ended up, Yeah,

581
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: it ended up doing like really became the most enjoyable

582
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: UM aspect of the show. That also might be why

583
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: I don't remember those seasons because you sort of lock

584
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: into your like I don't remember, like Phineas Eilish if

585
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: that's his name, is that his name? No different her?

586
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: I think that's her middle name. That's fair enough. That

587
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: is fair. Yeah, it's going to direct him, so your

588
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: last name is yes, you're right, that's right. Um. And

589
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: then in resting he's very good on the show. This

590
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: is not a knock on him. It's more a knock

591
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: on me like with my spirit animal, but like he

592
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: but it's also because like I wasn't I didn't direct him,

593
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: so sort of like so that second that middle section,

594
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: really second half, it's like a two thirds of the

595
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: show felt different because I was sort of like in

596
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: and out. Yeah, yeah for sure. But it was really

597
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: really fun and it was like it was a good

598
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: way to feel. I felt like I you get that

599
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: that extra level of ownership. I felt like those episodes

600
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, well, like I get to be in

601
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: charge now this thing that is you know, we've all

602
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: we all had to share and I had to share

603
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: was suddenly like oh I felt some ownership of it too.

604
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: So that was actually really nice and just a really easy,

605
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: nice way to learn. Also, like a brilliant crew and

606
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: such a such an example of like why unions are good.

607
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah why if you then you know, like then did

608
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: again good crew. But then like working like with a

609
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: crew outside of California totally different things like you're like, oh,

610
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: you just lose so much time because people aren't just

611
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: as up to speed, right and just just yeah just

612
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: everyone was like just doing an indie film, yeah, like

613
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: oh boom, yeah, totally did a lot of this chapter

614
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: just to start so contrast speaking of ownership, but you

615
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: also were doing that, and that's what you missed on Glee.

616
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: Sorry we stole that. Um oh, it's great. He came

617
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: in later, So what happened? Yeah, how did that happen?

618
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: It was because again there's all like early it was

619
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: like a it was a Kevin Riley note and he

620
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: was sort of like, you're I think he's like, you

621
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: guys are blowing through a lot of story. That was

622
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: actually the early the early knock from the like he hated,

623
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: he did not like and I totally get he was

624
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: actually coming from he hated the fact that like Finn

625
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: and Rachel kissed in episode two. He was like, what

626
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: are you doing? That's like in the finale, like, you

627
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: guys are blowing through a lot of story and you're

628
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: going to regret it, to which we were like, how

629
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: dare you? By the way, he was completely right, like

630
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: completely we would we run out a story all the time. Well,

631
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: like you get to a point where like I guess

632
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: Soon needs to marry herself and is maybe running for president,

633
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: and like you know, it's like you just run out

634
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: of ship. So um, and then he oh, so then

635
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: he was like, you need to do with then maybe

636
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: I don't know it was either hear him Ryan, but

637
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: he's like Ryan loved they did it on soap, that

638
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: old show soap, which is like a late eight mid

639
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: eight late seventies eighties. Forget when send up of a

640
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: soap like a very funny show, but they would because

641
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: they were carrying a lot of story, they would do

642
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: these recaps or whatever. And then Ryan was like just remembered.

643
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: I don't even think he knew. He definitely knew. I

644
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: was like had a theater career, but I think one

645
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: time I was sort of self deprecating and was like

646
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm so glad I'm out here

647
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: because I'm not back in New York doing like pepto

648
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: bismol commercials anymore. And then just like Ryan like turned

649
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, no, he's committed that to memory.

650
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: He thinks he's locking that away. All I did was

651
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: pepto bismal commercials, so that's somehow like locked. I never

652
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: done a couple of vision, like a totally great career

653
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: that I loved, but like, but he did remember. He's

654
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: like a huge voiceovers right. I was like yeah yeah,

655
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: and he's like, well you just do a scratch track

656
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: for this and just see like kind of what and

657
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: he's like kind of like soap. So then I think

658
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: Alexis and I went and like did it and then

659
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: it just stuck. Did them all? Yeah? Yeah, and then

660
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: just stuck. And then I was always at any of

661
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: the I was always the announcer the competition. Yeah, it

662
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: was always like the announce and you got to actually

663
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: be in, you get to actually show up and like

664
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: be on. Yeah. It was I don't know, I was

665
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: spending Googles. I was google like Late Night season three

666
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: that um. But then well another thing that there was

667
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that just like Caught just was

668
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: in like new Directions was that was like like my

669
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: that was like Buffalo Grove was their name, was like

670
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: new directions to their show guard. And it was like

671
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: a joke. We were just like howl with laughter, like

672
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: how does nobody hear this? Like nobody hears so much?

673
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: People miss it, nobody gets it. I wrote it into

674
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: the pilot as a joke to Ryan and Brad, thinking

675
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: like well they're gonna laugh and then we'll change it.

676
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: They didn't get it, and I was like, I like

677
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: told them, I was like, it's nude erections and they're like, oh,

678
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: that's hilarious. They're like, well, let's so. Then we just

679
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: kept it in the script, thinking that somebody would make

680
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: a step. The next student network never got it, Like,

681
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: no one ever got it. It's very very I blew

682
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: me away. I was like just stayed in. Oh yeah,

683
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: people still talk about it, and where did this like

684
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: club name come from? Well, especially now that people like

685
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: are finding the show again and it's now you have

686
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: all these kids who are like, wait what They also

687
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: don't necessarily catch the satire that see being through every

688
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: single scene is also a thing. Yeah, which is fine.

689
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah I can't I can't believe it that. Yeah, I was.

690
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: It was a total joke. I was. I did, but

691
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: like didn't know one no one caught on. Huh yeah,

692
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: huh huh. Now did you have any say did you

693
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: the music element of it? Did you pitch songs? Was

694
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: that kind of like Ryan and Brad, Like, I know,

695
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: Brad had a lot of things that he wanted like

696
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: Springsteen and etc. And more Springstein, but like and Ryan

697
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: said that he had to like school, you guys on

698
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: Madonna when that came up, Like, what was your kind

699
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: of take on the music aspect of the writing. Well,

700
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean my beef kind of was. And

701
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: it was just like a salmon swimming up stream and

702
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: it was like we're changing, Like it's fine to do

703
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: a Madonna episode, but that's actually not what the DNA

704
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: of the show is. What we're worked about the show

705
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: is like, no, we should be doing like e O

706
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: and like like that's the whole thing. But again it

707
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: was it was when it got huge, and then it

708
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: was like no b Huger, and then it was like

709
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: and we could sell a lot, and then it was

710
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: like we can do a whole album. And I'm not

711
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: even saying like like this was like avaricious or like

712
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: we can't none. It was like boss offset. And also

713
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, yeah, we should do like Fleetwood

714
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: Mac rumors. We could do the whole album. The would

715
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: be so that would be um so. But I was

716
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: sort of like screaming into a tornado about that, like

717
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: I was sort of I was, and then and then

718
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: my tastes are very not just a person like very

719
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: not top forty, very not R and B, so I

720
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: would sort of be like yeah, okay, I can, but

721
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: I felt less connected to much of the music um

722
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: we did just because I was like, no, we we

723
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: should be doing We should be reinventing stuff that would

724
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: have been mine. Is there anything you really wanted that

725
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: we never did, or like a genre that we never

726
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: got to. Here's the thing I'm probably gonna say, like, oh,

727
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: we never did like Boston's like more than a feeling,

728
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: and then I'll bet we probably did. Be like yeah,

729
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: there's a whole so like I'm sure we did it.

730
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: We did eight hundred thousand songs. He did like millions.

731
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: There's whole things that I like. Again, it's like I

732
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: don't you just can't remember all of them. For sure,

733
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: I would have been I would have been, yeah, there

734
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,479
Speaker 1: was like that those sort of like yacht rocky more

735
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: just because that we could, like you could sell it.

736
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: We could have told that that those would have been

737
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: those songs like uh you know or Kansas or or whatever.

738
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: Those those things would have just been very like I

739
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: think back of your neck stand up because I was

740
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: still when like you know, like the Peter s Terras

741
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: of it would like whale. It was like dudes, whale

742
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: Now and then actually all the music, like I listened to,

743
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's not about the singing. It's

744
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: like not people know, it's about a different thing. So

745
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: it was like, that's doing about that era. But we did.

746
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: We did, We did really, really a lot, and there's

747
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: still some versions. There's like there's still I mean there's

748
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: there'd be fifty covers that we did that are I

749
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: think are like completely the best version of that song

750
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: that still hair on the back of your neck go

751
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: up yea, even like teenage Dream a version of that.

752
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: Every time I hear it, I would cry so much

753
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: less like the much less the journey of it all,

754
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: like all of it is just um. But they were,

755
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: they were, Yeah, I think we had quitted ourselves. Well

756
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: just by a volume. You're saying how the Madonna episode

757
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: like this wasn't necessarily the DNA of the show. And

758
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: when Ryan came on, he was like, yeah, as much

759
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: as I wanted to do that, how much it meant

760
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: to him personally, Yeah, he was like, I sort of

761
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: wish we didn't because once you do it and prove

762
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: that it can be done, and then it was successful

763
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: in terms of viewership and in record sales, He's like,

764
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: there's no coming back from that, sort of like what

765
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: you said as the show grew and which I in

766
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: a million years would never have thought he would have said.

767
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: But now hearing how so far two or the three

768
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: of you have once we get proud on here too,

769
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: have said sort of the similar thing where it was like,

770
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: at the heart of it, you guys, even speaking from

771
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: three different voices or perspectives, the scale of the show

772
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: is the same, Yes, and the intention of the show

773
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: was the same. And then we did Madonna and then

774
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: it was like, well, all bets are off super Bowl.

775
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but you just have to you have to

776
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: do write it. There's a version of the show that

777
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: like I would have actually vouched for early on, I

778
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 1: think I did that. I was like, we shouldn't honor time,

779
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: that we should not really ever say what time of

780
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: year it is. And it just resets like a little

781
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: bit more kind of like a sitcom structure in a

782
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: wave a sitcom. But just let it be. The problem

783
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: is is that like you guys would be watching you

784
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: guys all three and still be in high school. But

785
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 1: also the second you say, like the second you put

786
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: in a story element that has a clock to it

787
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: like rom or Homecoming or even like regionals. Uh, then

788
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: you're you're tide to time. By the way, there's no

789
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: such you know, there's no such there's really no such

790
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: thing as like regionals, sectionals, nationals in chauffeur, like I

791
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: that's from speech team, Like I just use that AND's

792
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: like we did that as a speech team, like in

793
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: speech and drama. But like that's not a thing, like

794
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: there was no no, But it's so funny that which

795
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: is like you but you can just sort of make

796
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: stuff up and then you're like, yeah, there's there's no

797
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: there's years of my life are defined by these fictional

798
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: regionals and sectionals. Oh I know, it's like are we

799
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: gonna make sectionals? Like that's never been a concern of

800
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: anybody on earth because it's not real anyway it would

801
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: have been here, Yeah, but there was a way to

802
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: to just there was a version of the show that

803
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: would have been more con tained, a little bit more situational.

804
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: It's probably the mid l This is probably what like

805
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: Emily Vanderburke was talking about, you're giving Ryan ideas for

806
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: the reboot keep going right, Well, it would be for

807
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: instance that like like I think the most successful episodes

808
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: of the show was actually when and what it feels

809
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: like when you're in high school? Is it like small

810
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: steaks or big steaks? Actually, like, the show doesn't quite

811
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: work when it's like, oh, Rachel's gonna she's gonna get

812
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: the role on Broadway or not. The show works when

813
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: it's like, am I gonna get the gift certificate garden? Right?

814
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: Like then it makes more sense because it's silly and small,

815
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: and like show Car silly and small. So that like

816
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: so there would be a version in which it'd be

817
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: much more contained in that size and things are happening

818
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 1: in between the students as they are, but a little

819
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: bit more of that scale, a bit pettier, and that

820
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: didn't really address um a sort of like wouldn't carry

821
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: as much story because you're not really honoring time. It's

822
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: a little bit more like if Glee were like the Simpsons. Yeah, right,

823
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: that's probably That was sort of the version that I

824
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 1: was sort of early on was sort of like pitching

825
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: a bit. I think was sort of like, no, we like,

826
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: get these characters, we have a great little like fish bowl.

827
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: Just keep them in the fish bowl, because I mean,

828
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: every season could have been two months completely completely, there's

829
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: just a world in which that is, but we just

830
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: didn't set that up. And then if you have a pregnancy,

831
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: all these sorts of things like really tie you. And

832
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, you're we're an hour long show.

833
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: Now we're just kind of not really a true comedy

834
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: at all, where like an hour long show that carries

835
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: a lot of story and it's like soapy. But that's

836
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: always the part of the show that I was I

837
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: was never like, I wasn't writing that side anyway. So

838
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: in a way of the show that I the show

839
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: I am describing was the show I was writing. Yeah,

840
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: by like half of the show. It's really and it's

841
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: a very very structured that way, or to be like,

842
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: it's really weird. Sure before we let you go, this

843
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: interview is crazy. It's so good, Um, you just stay

844
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: here all day. Yeah, we could literally what does we

845
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: ask everybody? What does Glee? What is the feeling that

846
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: Glee has left you with? What is the word? What

847
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: is the feeling? What is the tone? Oh, it's just

848
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: like an unbelievable sense of pride. It's very like I'm

849
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: very very proud of like the whole thing it's it's

850
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: a very it feels like a child. It's like you know,

851
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: once you have children that doesn't like no, that's a

852
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: show and liked, but it was like it's like a

853
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 1: very um. It's it feels like an achievement, a creative

854
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: achievement that can never be taken away. And I think

855
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: we we so much of this industry and in like

856
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: showbiz in general is so ephemeral and can be so

857
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: it's sort of gone and it's like, what have you

858
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: done for me lately? And it's like not, um not,

859
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: things that were so important to you sort of like

860
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: disappear the but what's did you see what's on now?

861
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: Like well, like look guess what where it's just so

862
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: not there's so few things that it's like this show

863
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: feels like oh it's I feel like I wrote a book,

864
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: Like there was a really good book and it's like

865
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: and every every junior high school kid in seventh grade

866
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: reads this book like it was like it's a it's

867
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: just that you've like contributed to the culture a bit

868
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: or you're sort of like required reading and that that

869
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: is like a true um, that's where the pride comes from,

870
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: the like, oh we did it and like I did

871
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: that I did and take away from it. It's a

872
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: cool thing to sometime and again, like you guys wouldn't

873
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: experience this because people would already know you. But it

874
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: is like occasionally it's a fun thing to sometimes just

875
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: drop if you like somebody doesn't know you're just meeting

876
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: somebody or this of what happens if you're like you're

877
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: like abroad or whatever. Um and then oh, I kind

878
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: of kind of just work in TV, like oh, anything

879
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: I know about and then just like well Glee, I'm like,

880
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: oh did you write on that? Like no, no, no,

881
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: I created it and just to be like and it's

882
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: a dick move to do, but it's so good. But

883
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: but but as if you didn't just set up the

884
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: whole thing to like drop the hammered a bit and

885
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: it's that it is like there is like so all

886
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: the Scherman wrong and like all the wildness of it

887
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: and just the work and the late nights, and it

888
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: sucks up. It sucked up eight years of our life.

889
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: It was not really able to do anything else. Like

890
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: it was like and and and really defined took me

891
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: away from one career, plupped me in another one. Like

892
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: it was very very impactful. So like it that those

893
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: moments are worth it when you can stand back and

894
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: be like, oh, but like we did that and it

895
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: was like yeah, huge, But actually it's more that it's good.

896
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, that was really good. It was

897
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: actually cool when like I think when Netflix picked it

898
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: up to air. Now it's back on whatever, It's on

899
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: Disney there forever, I think. But it was like, uh,

900
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 1: the first time it like came up in my like banner,

901
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: so it was like playing. I was just like opened

902
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,959
Speaker 1: the thing and it was like oh Jesus, like there's

903
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 1: like yeah, it was just my face. I was like what, yeah,

904
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: I stop shouting, Like what do you do? Like shouting me?

905
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: And then like uh but and it was weirdly not

906
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: cued up to the pilot, and I had not watched

907
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: the pilot on Netflix. It did it up to the

908
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: Showman's and I was like, uh, okay, like I'd really

909
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: not thought about it in a while, and I was

910
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: like I'm not sure this like held up and then

911
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: I bowled and was just like oh that home run.

912
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 1: Like I don't even know how we did. I didn't

913
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: remember a lot of it, but I was like I

914
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: don't know how we did that so good. It's a

915
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: perfect episode of two. It's even better, almost better than

916
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: the pot. It's just like and then those it's just

917
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: a murderer's row of those first yeah, one that like

918
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: you know, and really through you know, like through through

919
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: through sort of like it's those first like fifty almost

920
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: or like forty or just like slam dunk after slam

921
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: dunk with a few like turdlets, and then even throughout

922
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: even then when it gets got very very hard to

923
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: do and tragic and awful and difficult and dark, even

924
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: then it was still like this thing is still great,

925
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: Like it's still there's nothing else that there's never anything

926
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,959
Speaker 1: like Tellision. It's just great. So it's like that sense

927
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: of of pride, however nitpicking how or hard I can

928
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: get on the show. It's like nice when people are

929
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: sort of when when I go through that that weird

930
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 1: like Tourette's thing of like well actually and in describing

931
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: the show to people and then they're just like, oh,

932
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: because it's really good and I just love it, you know,

933
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 1: there's like it's really it's really it's really cool. Literally

934
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: without Glee would not exist without you. Ian Brennan, so

935
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: thank you. It was like it was it's so it's

936
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: so weird. It's so weird. It's just so weird that

937
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: it like happened. It's really it's really hard to I

938
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: mean it's it's so hard to. Uh, there's just a

939
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: in in every other like shard of like the Spider verse,

940
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: like it doesn't exist weirdly, there's something else on show.

941
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: But but it was like it was like never that

942
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: was sort of the joke too, going into it, like

943
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: this is going to work because they don't they will

944
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: not work. Yeah, and one of them where everything is

945
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: a musical TV show speaking of we have you to

946
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: thank for all of this, and pride watching your parents

947
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: come to the concerts and they would come to LA

948
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 1: watching how proud they were of you, I could cry

949
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: and it was like the most it was so sweet.

950
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: They were just so so proud of you and so

951
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: happy like to anytime they came around. It was like,

952
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: this is what your son did, this is what he created,

953
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: all of this is his fault, and like he has

954
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: changed all of our lives. And it was like, oh,

955
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: thank god, You've come from like the sweetest people on

956
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: the planet. You're equally as sweet and smart and humble,

957
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: except when you like you know, drop in that you

958
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: creatically on purpose. But you know, I love that you

959
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: surround You have a good you have a really good

960
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: like your wife is incredible. You have such like a

961
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: good close knit group that make it makes a lot

962
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: of sense. Oh good, well, thank you. I mean I

963
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: count you guys as such, uh quote, I mean you're

964
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: like you're just like family members. It's it's like I

965
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: feel so to everybody you guys in particular and Chord

966
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: and like Emma and Jane and you know, um, but

967
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: it's like it was I just feel so fortunate to it. Yeah,

968
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: found you guys. It's also I think, Jennet, I think

969
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: you can speak here both of us, like when we

970
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean you've gone off, this can be another interview

971
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: we do another time of all the things you have

972
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: done since. Yeah, but like you have had such an

973
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: insane just past year that it's like it's also so

974
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: on our end of like how proud we are of

975
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: thanks like the things you your doing and having like

976
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: one of the biggest shows ever on Netflix, a couple

977
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: of them. It's just it's absolutely incredible service experience. The

978
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: day to day experience. I'm sure you guys have this

979
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: as well. It's just like I'm a piece of garbage.

980
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: I can't, you know. It's just like it's it is hard,

981
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, because you're always asked to do more. It's

982
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: like never enough. So it's always like and it's a struggle.

983
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: Being creative is hard. Every time I sit down and

984
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: stare at a blank piece of favor, it's like terrifying.

985
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: It's like a difference johub you know, like it's it's hard.

986
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: So that's it's nice to hear it. Thank you. It's

987
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: one has to be reminded of h And it's nice

988
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: of people around to do that because we can't do

989
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: it to ourselves. Yeah, we got you. Anytime you need

990
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: a boost of confidence, you just hit us up. You

991
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: want to do that song and athing real good. I

992
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: don't think we did. I don't think we did, but

993
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: I hear you, Yeah, that would have been. That's a

994
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: person the perfectly. So on we got there, there we go.

995
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: We don't remember a lot and there's a lot of

996
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: like writing things that like people write in about So

997
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna text you things. If you could just shoot

998
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: us a text back and let us know. That would

999
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 1: be really fun. I think people really enjoy that. Ryan

1000
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: might be relieved that we stopped bugging him about it, right,

1001
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: is this was this supposed to happen? He's like, no,

1002
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: let's see awesome, ian thank you so much for doing this.

1003
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: Is so great. Um, say, how did the fan for us? Yeah,

1004
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: let's do it? Yeah for sure, Okay, thanks Ianne, Thank

1005
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: you Iannee. Bye. Oh God. I love him. I love

1006
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: him so much. I could talk to him for years. Yeah.

1007
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: He immediately texted us, by the way, as soon as

1008
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: he hopped off a zoom two seconds ago, texted us

1009
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: and thanked us. And he is just the nicest, as

1010
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: you heard, most talented, sweetest man. And I just feel

1011
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: so grateful that he spent so much time with us.

1012
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: I know we've said it many times before, but because

1013
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: this experience was so unique to our group of people,

1014
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: there's like several hundred people, you know, peripherally involved in

1015
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: this whole thing, crew, cast, production, network, all that stuff,

1016
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: with varying degrees of viewpoints, and it's hard to talk

1017
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: about it at length with anybody else who was not

1018
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: directly there, especially like people we can talk at who

1019
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: are interested in hearing about it all and like obviously

1020
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: our lovely listeners, you guys are amazing for sticking with

1021
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: us for so long, but to get the insider baseball

1022
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: from other people like you said, it's um, it's just

1023
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: as much of a treat for us because we are

1024
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: learning with you guys. Yeah, that feel like a gift,

1025
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, it's really nice. I'm glad he felt

1026
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: comfortable to open up and let it spill. It was great,

1027
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: Ian Brennan, everybody, and thank you guys for listening and

1028
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: for hanging out with us. I hope you like this

1029
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: episode and we'll see you next time. And that's what

1030
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: you really missed. Thanks for listening and follow us on

1031
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: Instagram at and that's what you really miss pod. Make

1032
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: sure to write us a review and leave us five stars.

1033
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:26,520
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