Speaker 1: I think he's very, very hesitant to tell me anything
Speaker 1: about music, you know what I mean, because it just
Speaker 1: doesn't work the same as it did.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're talking about generations different.
Speaker 1: My dad hates social media and sometimes thought that maybe
Speaker 1: I shouldn't do social media like for myself, like the
Speaker 1: Preserve Alley.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, who else is going to do it?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Like I'm an independent artist.
Speaker 4: Episode five eighteen of The Bobby Cast with Ali Coleen.
Speaker 4: She just put out a new EP called Sincerely Rolling Stone,
Speaker 4: and I found because we've had her before and I've
Speaker 4: always tried to be sensitivebout the fact that she is
Speaker 4: her own artist. She's also Garth Brooks's daughter, and I
Speaker 4: never want to be like, hey, so Garth's daughter. And
Speaker 4: I felt like in the first time, we really didn't
Speaker 4: do that much at all till the end. But this time,
Speaker 4: so much of her music this time is about and
Speaker 4: you can correct me if I'm wrong here about how
Speaker 4: she balanced it deals lives with the fact that there's
Speaker 4: an expectation on her because she's Garth's daughter.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like that's accurate? Yeah, she got deep
Speaker 3: into it here, felt like therapy throughout.
Speaker 4: And I think it was because really a lot of
Speaker 4: her music this time is about those feelings that surround that,
Speaker 4: and we talked about it. Otherwise, I don't think I
Speaker 4: would have just canniballed into it. I would have definitely
Speaker 4: respected her as she is as her own artist. But
Speaker 4: I was grateful for her generosity in that area. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was almost like he couldn't talk about the music
Speaker 4: without talking about that. Yeah, so know that, know that
Speaker 4: I would have for sure just been like, hey, let's
Speaker 4: talk about your music, because I definitely respect her as
Speaker 4: an artist and as a songwriter and just who she
Speaker 4: is as a person.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's it. I just want to make sure
Speaker 3: we're all cool there.
Speaker 4: She's Garth's daughter, but she's also first and foremost Ali Coleen,
Speaker 4: her definite own person. She has a lot of tattoos.
Speaker 4: We talk about that. Her arms are and her even
Speaker 4: her legs are covered in art. I won't even say tattoos.
Speaker 4: It's like one big art project. She didn't sing a
Speaker 4: lot growing up, especially not in front of her family.
Speaker 4: I don't know if we talked about horses this.
Speaker 5: Time, I don't think so.
Speaker 4: Oh, well, a place in her house we talked about
Speaker 4: that's true. That's true, but she's big horse person, so
Speaker 4: we'll just get to it right now, Episode five eighteen
Speaker 4: Ali Coleen. Follow her on Instagram, Alikolen Music or check
Speaker 4: it out alikolen music dot com. I don't want to
Speaker 4: spoil anything, but when she's like people just expect me
Speaker 4: to play friends in little places, that was kind of funny.
Speaker 3: I here you go enjoy.
Speaker 4: Right before we went on, we were talking about exercising.
Speaker 4: I don't like going to the gym.
Speaker 3: I don't like exercising, but I think I six days
Speaker 3: a week probably What do you not like about it? Everything?
Speaker 3: I hate it? What do you like about it? Though?
Speaker 3: Because you get fired up you're like, I just like going, like,
Speaker 3: what is it about it?
Speaker 2: You still love it?
Speaker 1: I think it's it's a big control thing, right like,
Speaker 1: because I think there's a lot of stuff you doing
Speaker 1: here in your day that you don't want to do,
Speaker 1: and I get to choose to do this one. It's
Speaker 1: also like such a release. I'm an angry guy sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and I don't feel that way.
Speaker 2: When I get out of there.
Speaker 4: It's funny that that is because everybody has different ways
Speaker 4: to release, and I do have friends that are similar
Speaker 4: to you and they like to And I own a
Speaker 4: bunch of boxing gyms here in town for a long time,
Speaker 4: and so I liked it, but I never found my
Speaker 4: release in that, and like the exerting physically, I think
Speaker 4: mostly my release is like getting a burner account, so
Speaker 4: social media and going after people.
Speaker 3: That's my role.
Speaker 1: Do you link it to performing the gym? No, because
Speaker 1: like you don't ever stop performing.
Speaker 3: I hate the gym, though, Okay, let's break this up.
Speaker 3: I like I like where you're, where you're taking me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I feel like my day is constantly creating content, regardless
Speaker 4: thinking of it talking about it.
Speaker 3: I got like five shows.
Speaker 4: If I'm touring a part of the year if I'm
Speaker 4: coming up, so that's always happening. I still hate the gym,
Speaker 4: even though I'm able to separate from it.
Speaker 3: I just hate.
Speaker 4: I like exercising. If there's a Okay, you put me here,
Speaker 4: I got it. I like competing. I like competing it's
Speaker 4: other people and beating other people because I'm so insecure
Speaker 4: that I have to beat people that stuff to feel
Speaker 4: good about myself. And so if my exercise comes from that,
Speaker 4: a plus, will do it all day. So beat Bobby
Speaker 4: but I don't like that because I can beat Bobby
Speaker 4: or I can lose to Bobby.
Speaker 3: Bobby.
Speaker 4: I can beat Bobby or I can lose to Bobby.
Speaker 4: By the way, Bobby wins, I don't like running. It's
Speaker 4: what I don't like running.
Speaker 2: On there's Bobby and there's the self.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but even if the self wins or if Bobby wins,
Speaker 4: either way, I still won.
Speaker 2: Oh, the self can lose to Bobby dog.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's okay because then Bobby's still one, one
Speaker 4: of the Bobby's one.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, all right, so.
Speaker 3: You liked you go, Okay, what do you do your box?
Speaker 1: You say, I go to hot box when I don't
Speaker 1: want to do anything, because then you show up and
Speaker 1: you're in a class and you have to and then
Speaker 1: the competition comes in and it's like, well, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: work harder than the dude next to me today, so
Speaker 1: that I do that. When I don't want to do something,
Speaker 1: I go to hot box because I know my weaknesses,
Speaker 1: and that is pushing myself.
Speaker 4: I don't want to My weakness is just getting up
Speaker 4: to go once I get in the car, if I
Speaker 4: go to the gym, or I'm good.
Speaker 3: It's just getting like put in my clothes on.
Speaker 2: When was the last time you bought a new gym outfit.
Speaker 3: Bobby, Oh no, never, not in forever. But I'm good though.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you right now, I like a cutite
Speaker 1: by a new gym fit. I'm in the next day,
Speaker 1: I'm probably in that night.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I'm in the fit, I'm
Speaker 2: in the gym. I'm ready.
Speaker 4: I don't think I usually just cut out sleeves of
Speaker 4: old shirts and that's a new outfit for me.
Speaker 3: Though. Long as I cut sleeves out, I'm good.
Speaker 2: We could also debunk that if you wanted to, but
Speaker 2: we don't have to.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think that's a new shirt
Speaker 3: for me. My wife tells me all the time.
Speaker 4: She goes, I see you cut sleeves out of two
Speaker 4: more of your shirts I like to wear. I think
Speaker 4: that's one of my simple joys, wearing cutout shirts.
Speaker 2: Do you ever feel that way about your laces?
Speaker 4: So here's the thing about my laces. My laces are
Speaker 4: and we're look at us, Hey, look at us. Similar
Speaker 4: I liked where my lace is loose. If they're shoes
Speaker 4: that I know, I'm gonna do nothing athletic in and
Speaker 4: then I can slide on and off. Yeah, and then
Speaker 4: I have shoes that are very similar that the strings
Speaker 4: all pull them out, and I keep them tight just
Speaker 4: in case I have to, like run, if I'm getting
Speaker 4: robbed or something. I think that would be that reason.
Speaker 4: What is your lace theory? Because yours a loose as well.
Speaker 1: Mine are loose, but they're also the they can't be
Speaker 1: longer you go to step on them, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you got to make them so loose as
Speaker 3: they can't because if you made them the exact link
Speaker 3: they were, you would step on them like you've kept
Speaker 3: them loose to the front of the foot.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, I feel like these are my shoes,
Speaker 4: It says I. There's nothing I can do except work,
Speaker 4: and I love shoes. I didn't have a bunch shoes
Speaker 4: growing up as a kid, so now it's these are
Speaker 4: very expensive shoes. And I say that in the way
Speaker 4: if I had never had good shoes growing up, so
Speaker 4: now I buy expensive shoes.
Speaker 1: I played a show for a roofing company in Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: and it was the wife's birthday, and she gotten into
Speaker 1: a Louis Vuitton set.
Speaker 2: For her cow at that party of wait what.
Speaker 1: She got a louisiton like harness, like a whole set. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they made me think about it.
Speaker 3: They make Louis Biton harnesses, I don't.
Speaker 2: Think they do. I think they did, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: For one, I think so? Yeah, so those are just listening.
Speaker 4: I have on a pair of air Max red Nike
Speaker 4: Louis Biton and I love them. And when I put
Speaker 4: these on, I know that I can't hop into a
Speaker 4: pickleball match.
Speaker 1: That seems more like a personal boundary for you than
Speaker 1: the shoe. But I think I will hurt.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, I have to tighten these way up. I
Speaker 3: can do. So what's your shoe deal?
Speaker 4: Because you you you have a pretty cool fashion since
Speaker 4: in general, why I love.
Speaker 2: Half and half. I always have.
Speaker 1: When I was probably in like eighth grade, my sister
Speaker 1: got a pair of kool Aids and she couldn't pick
Speaker 1: between the yellow pair and the green pears, so she
Speaker 1: bought both and she wore like the right and left
Speaker 1: shoe of both colors. And ever since then, I've been
Speaker 1: obsessed with half and half. So my laces are half
Speaker 1: and half for tour, I have a Timberlin and a
Speaker 1: black Timberlain. I always mix my converse half and half.
Speaker 3: That wouldn't work for me.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty colorblind in general, so I'd accidentally be normal.
Speaker 2: But you could tell the difference between a dark shoe and.
Speaker 3: A light shoe if it was black and white. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but blue and green? Now?
Speaker 2: Can you tell that my laces are different?
Speaker 3: I didn't notice that we were different until you said that.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't know too much about the whole color blind thing.
Speaker 1: It's certain colors for certain people.
Speaker 3: Right, all minds dark colors.
Speaker 4: After about a six on the scale, it's all black,
Speaker 4: maybe six point five.
Speaker 2: How do you pick the colors you like to wear?
Speaker 3: I love red. I weren't a lot of red today
Speaker 3: because you can see it, or I can see.
Speaker 4: Red a little darker. But yeah, I wear a lot
Speaker 4: of red or light colors. My wife helps me. When
Speaker 4: I was in high school and I would go I
Speaker 4: was in Key Club and which is Kwana's educating youth,
Speaker 4: and I would go speak and try to win scholarships.
Speaker 4: And so they let me because of my quote unquote disability.
Speaker 4: I don't say that now, but they let me take
Speaker 4: my friend with me to match clothes because I couldn't
Speaker 4: tell the difference.
Speaker 3: I really didn't need them, but.
Speaker 2: The camaraderie is kind of cool, but that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I really didn't need them because I can just
Speaker 4: like now. A lot of my stuff's labeled as well.
Speaker 4: But I'm not blind, but my right eye doesn't work.
Speaker 4: I have eight percent vision of my right eye in general,
Speaker 4: so I should have a handicap sticker and I don't.
Speaker 2: And you still pickleball the hell out of it though.
Speaker 3: Imagine though I've had both eyes, how good I would be.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone wants to.
Speaker 4: They shouldn't give me Unstoppable because I want a bronze
Speaker 4: medal with a one eye. Imagine I've had both eyes
Speaker 4: and if I have a silver? Do you play pickleball
Speaker 4: at all?
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you no, but yes, I do
Speaker 2: play pickleball.
Speaker 1: Yeh.
Speaker 3: What do you do?
Speaker 4: So if you're going to work out, though, you say
Speaker 4: you go to you don't have say the name of
Speaker 4: the gym, but you go to like a I just go.
Speaker 2: To like local gym when I want to work out
Speaker 2: that has like free weights.
Speaker 4: I love lifting and you can make yourself work hard, yeah,
Speaker 4: because I can make myself work hard at work.
Speaker 3: It's hard for me.
Speaker 4: To just push myself physically to the point where it's uncomfortable,
Speaker 4: which I pay a trainer to do. But it's hard
Speaker 4: for me to push myself in that part of my
Speaker 4: life that I push myself so hard it makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: But you can do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I perform for everybody else all
Speaker 1: the time, and the gym is the only place that
Speaker 1: I only perform for Ali.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 4: I feel like I don't want to perform anywhere else,
Speaker 4: and the gym's part of the place I don't want
Speaker 4: to perform.
Speaker 2: I can't relate to not wanting to perform.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. I'm such an introvert when I'm not
Speaker 4: an extrovert, But.
Speaker 2: You don't perform for yourself at home.
Speaker 4: I perform for my dogs. I do bits all the
Speaker 4: time for my dogs and my wife. But she didn't
Speaker 4: really like to.
Speaker 2: Bitch, Oh the world's your dogs have seen?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I do a lot of bits. But I'm
Speaker 3: very introverted.
Speaker 4: If I'm not on a lot of people will go
Speaker 4: if they'll send me a restaurant or something, and they
Speaker 4: won't come say hi, this is the annoying part about it.
Speaker 4: They won't come say hi, but then they'll tag me
Speaker 4: in something and be like, here's a total jerk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell somebody later that you were like put off,
Speaker 1: but they didn't, and I was like.
Speaker 4: I never said anything to me, And I naturally am
Speaker 4: a quiet person that feels like nobody wants me in
Speaker 4: their space, so I don't get in their space.
Speaker 1: Well, the expectation for someone to expect you to come
Speaker 1: and create rapport just because you're in a room is crazy.
Speaker 2: You don't know they're there, and you don't care they're there.
Speaker 1: Respectfully, you're just at First Watch having some avocado toast,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. You shouldn't have to set rapport with the
Speaker 2: entire room.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I agree.
Speaker 4: I also appreciate the fact that they think they know
Speaker 4: me well enough, because it's an odd relationship to have
Speaker 4: with that, because it does irritate me when people will say, man,
Speaker 4: he was a jerk er tagged me, Hey, you were
Speaker 4: such a jerk at this place, and I'm like, you
Speaker 4: never said hi to me. How am I supposed to
Speaker 4: react to somebody who doesn't come up and say hello.
Speaker 3: However, I think for me.
Speaker 4: The benefit of that is somebody feels like they know
Speaker 4: me well enough through what they've consumed from me that
Speaker 4: they feel I should be a certain way. And that's
Speaker 4: intimate in that content, you know, absorption from people. And
Speaker 4: I don't think it's fair, but I have found kind
Speaker 4: of a silver lining to that that people feel they
Speaker 4: know me well enough to get upset irrationally because it's
Speaker 4: not fair.
Speaker 2: It's not fair.
Speaker 3: It's not fair.
Speaker 2: It's not fair.
Speaker 1: I know that you're an introvert, so maybe you don't
Speaker 1: relate to this, or maybe you do. I I'm an introvert,
Speaker 1: so if I'm out in public, I've just already decided
Speaker 1: I'm ounta in public. How do you feel about people
Speaker 1: who are Like, if celebrities aren't going to be nice
Speaker 1: to you, they have no reason to go to a restaurant.
Speaker 2: I hate I feel like they should be able to
Speaker 2: go to a restaurant.
Speaker 4: There's only two rules that I give people that listen
Speaker 4: to me, and they don't have to listen to my rules.
Speaker 4: But if a celebrity is with a kid, or they
Speaker 4: have food in front of them in a public place,
Speaker 4: leave them alone. Other than that, they know what they've
Speaker 4: got themselves into and they've gone to public.
Speaker 3: Knowing that people will know them. Their job was to
Speaker 3: be known.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so if they have a kid with them, don't
Speaker 4: bother them, or if there's food in front of them,
Speaker 4: don't bother them.
Speaker 3: Other than that, they have the right to say no.
Speaker 4: As a celebrity, absolutely, they can absolutely be a jerk
Speaker 4: all they want, but you're in a public place to
Speaker 4: go up and say hi. And most times I have
Speaker 4: found that people enjoy when normal people come up and
Speaker 4: say they're a fan of them. That's kind of why
Speaker 4: they got into the business.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: Most times there's a rare exception of people who are jerks,
Speaker 4: but most people that create for public consumption enjoy it
Speaker 4: when the public comes up and says, I enjoy what you.
Speaker 3: Have put out. Yeah, but just.
Speaker 4: No kids and no food. Other than that, they're free
Speaker 4: game and I don't.
Speaker 2: The kids in the food thing is very cool to me.
Speaker 4: Why, Because you were the kid once I was the kid.
Speaker 4: I was thinking about you today leading into this for
Speaker 4: that exact reason. It's so funny that we ended up
Speaker 4: on this because I was thinking, man, I bet your
Speaker 4: relationship with fame is so weird because you probably just
Speaker 4: wanted to have parents.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to have parents, and I just wanted
Speaker 1: to have parents that could be parents too, you know, like,
Speaker 1: and that's always tough because you're, you know, considering this
Speaker 1: lifeline that isn't real. So who knows what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But I do wander sometimes
Speaker 1: what something would have been like if my dad was
Speaker 1: always just dad, if like that was his biggest thing,
Speaker 1: But that takes away eighty two percent of the human
Speaker 1: that man is, you know what I mean. He's a
Speaker 1: lot more than just a dad. So but I was
Speaker 1: the kid, and it was really tough. And I only
Speaker 1: found when we were eating. So I think it's really
Speaker 1: interesting you say that if you want to come up
Speaker 1: and say hi when we're shopping at the grocery store.
Speaker 2: It never bothered me, It really didn't.
Speaker 1: But there was something about when we're eating, and he
Speaker 1: is to stand up and make sure that he is
Speaker 1: not have food in his teeth and that he doesn't,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, all the things that a
Speaker 1: human should be able to do when they're sitting and
Speaker 1: eating with their family.
Speaker 2: And that was always really tough.
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to compare my situation to yours
Speaker 4: in any way or my wife's.
Speaker 3: But so.
Speaker 4: When I got married, for my wife, the situation was
Speaker 4: a bit difficult in that I got to grow with
Speaker 4: whatever version of fame that I have, because I'm definitely
Speaker 4: not famous, but I am known in parts of the
Speaker 4: country and people do come up and say hello, and
Speaker 4: that's great. Ninety nine percent of the time, it really is.
Speaker 4: I got to grow with that, right, meaning I got
Speaker 4: to be in a small town, I got to syndicate myself.
Speaker 3: Have I did shows of one hundred people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to evolve as you evolved.
Speaker 3: For sure. So I grew with it learned where my
Speaker 3: wife was kind of dunked into it and I would
Speaker 3: be like, Oh, it's okay, they're recording us from two
Speaker 3: tables over. It's not a big deal. But to her
Speaker 3: that was her starting point, so it was really weird.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine I feel that way about the TikTok
Speaker 1: and the viral thing with these artists right now.
Speaker 2: I think we've seen the last five years.
Speaker 1: The most mental effect on these new artists who haven't
Speaker 1: done anything, and then now they're on an opening tour
Speaker 1: or haven't done and it's like I can't imagine that.
Speaker 1: And I have a lot of stuff that I have
Speaker 1: a big chip on my shoulder about with having you know,
Speaker 1: famous parents and like living and growing up in that
Speaker 1: way that I do.
Speaker 2: But I can't imagine.
Speaker 1: Running into it at nineteen, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: out of nowhere and like being viral overnight or running
Speaker 1: into it at twenty two out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 2: So, I'm very grateful to have gotten.
Speaker 1: To see it on the spectrum that I saw it,
Speaker 1: and then now I've experienced it in my own way
Speaker 1: in such a totally different different spectrum than the way
Speaker 1: that my you know, I did as a child.
Speaker 3: But it's crazy that would I'll say relieve because I
Speaker 3: in a different way. I feel it too.
Speaker 4: It relieves a bit of resentment, Like you're able to
Speaker 4: see somebody else go into it differently and you're like, man,
Speaker 4: that would kind of suck.
Speaker 2: Perspectives.
Speaker 3: It is a tool, but you only get it through
Speaker 3: situations that you didn't ask for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like patience, Like if you.
Speaker 4: Have perspective, it's because you've been through something it wasn't desirable. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: what So we have kind of rules at the house.
Speaker 3: My wife's very private.
Speaker 4: And part of that too, is probably her getting dunked
Speaker 4: in it and me not understanding I needed to care more.
Speaker 4: I think I failed a bit early on because I
Speaker 4: didn't understand I needed to care more about that part
Speaker 4: of our life because I'd just been so public with
Speaker 4: everything and.
Speaker 3: She's very private.
Speaker 4: Was there a part of your life where you were
Speaker 4: just like I'm just and maybe it's not even it's
Speaker 4: in your name. I don't know what it is like
Speaker 4: that you were just like I need this for me
Speaker 4: because my life has been associated with Garth Brooks or
Speaker 4: country music or like, what did you keep to yourself
Speaker 4: that was so private or different?
Speaker 2: I'm still working really hard on that. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I really don't know.
Speaker 1: I've been in therapy for the last three years specifically
Speaker 1: for that, because, you know, growing up the way that
Speaker 1: I did, you were just privileged, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you just had everything that nobody else had, Like
Speaker 1: there couldn't have been anything wrong because we had so much.
Speaker 4: You know now, to be fair, what you're saying is
Speaker 4: just so I can speak between the words you're actually saying.
Speaker 4: You're saying you weren't allowed to feel like you down
Speaker 4: because you were so up.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that until I was an adult. But
Speaker 1: of course, like we had everything, and my parents came
Speaker 1: from respectfully nothing, you know, so I don't know that
Speaker 1: it even crossed maybe their brains that we could go
Speaker 1: without because we had everything, and so I didn't know.
Speaker 1: And when we talk about performing in the gym and
Speaker 1: all of those things, and like I mean, I had
Speaker 1: to learn at you know, a very young age that
Speaker 1: you didn't just get to be a wild kid in
Speaker 1: the grocery store because what you did was a reflection
Speaker 1: of Garth Brooks, you know what I mean. And like
Speaker 1: and we as a family, we love that name. We
Speaker 1: love the name of Tricia Yearwood. We love the name
Speaker 1: of Garth Brooks. Now, those those products are not my parents,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. My bonus mom is my
Speaker 1: bonus mom, and my dad and my mom or my parents,
Speaker 1: and that's what they are. But there's also that thing
Speaker 1: of growing up where it's like man and anyone from
Speaker 1: who's like a really really small town also gets it
Speaker 1: to on that spectrum, like if you get in trouble
Speaker 1: at the bar, you know what I mean, when you're
Speaker 1: twenty one on your first time, like that is a
Speaker 1: reflection of your family in that small town, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, And so think about that globally, it
Speaker 1: just seemed like everything we did so we had. We
Speaker 1: tried to get the best grades, and we tried to
Speaker 1: be the best athletes, and we tried to be the
Speaker 1: kindest people in town, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: you just try and do all that thing, like what
Speaker 1: you're talking about earlier, just to negate any possible run.
Speaker 2: Ins with like being anything that's negative.
Speaker 1: And so as an adult, I'm twenty eight now and
Speaker 1: I'm really trying to figure out what Ali does for Ali.
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Speaker 3: Have you read and this is such a cliche book,
Speaker 3: But I say that because I just read it.
Speaker 4: I always felt it was cliche, so I never read it.
Speaker 4: I just read The Alchemist.
Speaker 2: I'm familiar with the title.
Speaker 4: Okay, me too, It's all I was familiar with it.
Speaker 4: And so the whole thing is about finding your personal legend.
Speaker 4: The whole book it's.
Speaker 2: Saying that to me, was the first your purpose? Oh oh,
Speaker 2: like your legacy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like why do you exist? Like what.
Speaker 4: Inside of you? What is your purpose? For being here,
Speaker 4: and I think my purpose was so attached to my
Speaker 4: career for so long. I give it only that's the
Speaker 4: only thing I really had control in though, because it's
Speaker 4: coming from how I grew up. I didn't have control.
Speaker 4: I didn't have any family.
Speaker 7: So children do not have agency. I okay, go ahead,
Speaker 7: Children do not have agency. I felt like I had
Speaker 7: to develop agency very early because you had to.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, is.
Speaker 2: Not a fault. You under see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like any child that had to establish their own agency
Speaker 1: before I mean, let's just say eighteen, because culturally that's
Speaker 1: that's what we do here. You know, at eighteen, you're
Speaker 1: out there and you're able to make your own decisions.
Speaker 1: You can mess up with the irs and go to jail,
Speaker 1: you can do all the things at eighteen.
Speaker 2: So anyone who has.
Speaker 1: To establish agency for them before that, that is something
Speaker 1: that you're going to have to go back through your
Speaker 1: entire life with your new beautiful on a lobe that
Speaker 1: you have now and reprogram all of those things. Children
Speaker 1: do not have agency. Children have freedom to be children.
Speaker 1: And that is not the case for I'm sure most
Speaker 1: most people. You know what I mean, Like we all
Speaker 1: have to do it, but you didn't have agency as
Speaker 1: a child.
Speaker 4: I would say, though, how I compare my childhood is
Speaker 4: I would compare it to yours in the parallel of
Speaker 4: you may have been given. You may have had the
Speaker 4: ability to not have to have agency for so long
Speaker 4: that it could have kept you from growing in certain ways.
Speaker 1: We didn't have agency because I think the biggest thing
Speaker 1: of agency is not having the freedom to be a child,
Speaker 1: not having the freedom to grow up and establish your
Speaker 1: own likes and dislikes, like your own.
Speaker 2: Fears and not fears.
Speaker 1: Instead you have like this lifeline that has thrown on
Speaker 1: to you that kind of takes away that agency. And
Speaker 1: so for you having to perform in such a way
Speaker 1: when you were younger, because you had to step in
Speaker 1: and fill fill roles that children should not have to fill,
Speaker 1: I think that affects the self the same way.
Speaker 4: But don't you think you had to step in and
Speaker 4: fill roles of the expectation that that you had put
Speaker 4: on yourself to be whomever everybody else thought you were?
Speaker 1: Absolutely my siblings and I had absolutely no agency to
Speaker 1: grow and to evolve at an appropriate pace, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Reflection, Yes, And so how are you
Speaker 1: encouraged to do that with the Alchemists.
Speaker 2: And where do you land at? Is there a landing point?
Speaker 4: I don't think there's a landing point ever, just in
Speaker 4: general anyway, Yeah, I don't hate that. I think the
Speaker 4: one thing I've learned is there really is no target ever.
Speaker 4: You just kind of aim toward a goal, and then
Speaker 4: at any time you want to modify that, you have
Speaker 4: the ability to modify that. My goals used to be
Speaker 4: A and B, and I've had a in therapy. I've
Speaker 4: had a real hard time with not feeling like a
Speaker 4: failure because I'm modifying a goal, because I feel like
Speaker 4: if I'm modifying a goal, I'm giving up.
Speaker 2: So how is purpose to find in the Alchemist.
Speaker 3: That it's okay to.
Speaker 4: Chase your sense of self even if it wasn't your
Speaker 4: sense of self even five minutes ago, that there there
Speaker 4: is no definitive sense of self. That a lot of
Speaker 4: the things that we prioritize and make extremely important, we're
Speaker 4: making important, making important for exterior for reasons that really
Speaker 4: don't matter to us, it.
Speaker 3: Matters to other people, and other people.
Speaker 4: Matter to us, and limiting that because it's never going
Speaker 4: to be gone. Yeah, and so yeah, I avoided that
Speaker 4: book forever and I read it and pretty freaking amazing.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 4: I get why people like talk about it so much.
Speaker 4: The same thing with the Four Agreements, Like I read
Speaker 4: that didn't want to fends like read it and for
Speaker 4: me that that the part of that book was don't
Speaker 4: nothing in business is personal, even if it is it's not.
Speaker 1: Well, those things make like push to make a decision
Speaker 1: that is bigger than the self. I think same thing
Speaker 1: with like pushing yourself to work out. It's like it's
Speaker 1: just pushing that bigger conversation. That's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's hard, but I do like the I like the
Speaker 1: frustration you have with taking on new stuff that you
Speaker 1: know is gonna be helpful, but you also know that
Speaker 1: you have to evolve afterwards.
Speaker 3: I'm good with delayed gratification.
Speaker 4: I really am, because all my gratification has been extremely delayed, extremely.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm pretty good with delayed gratification. You have
Speaker 3: a lot of tattoos.
Speaker 1: I was just I was looking at this photograph before
Speaker 1: you came in here, and I was thinking about the
Speaker 1: ones that are not on this photograph.
Speaker 2: I like doing that every time I come to a
Speaker 2: room I'm like, what's new?
Speaker 3: What are you saying with all these tattoos?
Speaker 1: I think that they all say you know something different
Speaker 1: in their own way. I also don't find it to
Speaker 1: be too serious in the sense of I saw a
Speaker 1: woman when I was probably eight or nine that was
Speaker 1: just covered head to toe in tattoos, and I thought,
Speaker 1: what a Like, that's crazy. Like I just thought she
Speaker 1: was stunning, And I thought, I want to represent what
Speaker 1: I've learned and how I've evolved in a bunch of
Speaker 1: tiny little things that matter to me.
Speaker 2: And some of them are just cool.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Some of them I just think are cool, like my
Speaker 2: band aid, Are you joking?
Speaker 3: I think all of them are probably cool. And I
Speaker 3: guess so.
Speaker 4: I wonder if you were, in your mind required to
Speaker 4: live a certain way because of the expectation upon you,
Speaker 4: is this a way to say there is no expectation
Speaker 4: on me anymore?
Speaker 1: I think for me, it's just an outward thing of like,
Speaker 1: maybe that is one of the few things that I
Speaker 1: have done for myself. I have tattoos of myself. I
Speaker 1: have two tattoos of myself and where she was when
Speaker 1: she got them and who she is now, because I
Speaker 1: don't know who else is ever going to get an
Speaker 1: ally colleen leg sleeve.
Speaker 2: If there are a couple of people, I'd be pretty rad.
Speaker 2: I don't think there are. Anything is rarely just me,
Speaker 2: so I'll do it. But I just love it.
Speaker 1: But I've never thought about it as any kind of
Speaker 1: like negating what people expect me to look like.
Speaker 2: I've never talked. I've never taken it that way. I
Speaker 2: don't mean to put words in your mouth.
Speaker 3: No, I did take it as that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had a lot of people ask me that
Speaker 1: and asked about, oh, well, so you have tattoos because
Speaker 1: your parents don't like tattoos orally the cases, And I'm
Speaker 1: like I it has never crossed my mind to ask
Speaker 1: my parents what they thought about my tattoos or my body.
Speaker 3: How many do you have?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I've passed with both of my arms being
Speaker 1: one whole piece.
Speaker 2: I know I've passed thirty.
Speaker 3: What was your first tattoo?
Speaker 2: My elephant?
Speaker 3: Which one on your leg?
Speaker 4: Yes, that's a odd place to get a first tattoo,
Speaker 4: right on your quad.
Speaker 1: I already had my I already had my sleeve planned out.
Speaker 1: But I I graduated. I was one of those really
Speaker 1: late summer birthdays or graduated like seventeen. So I knew
Speaker 1: I was going to be in Nashville when I was
Speaker 1: eighteen because I chose my university here, and so I
Speaker 1: already had Jay picked out. Jay Quarrels is my tattoo artists.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love him, and so I already had him
Speaker 1: picked out. So I just wanted something to get on
Speaker 1: my eighteenth birthday, and the elephant was a painting that
Speaker 1: I'd done, and so I wanted I wanted to do
Speaker 1: my own first tattoo like I wanted.
Speaker 2: To design it.
Speaker 3: Are they all personal?
Speaker 2: Not all of them? Most of them?
Speaker 1: Yes, some of them I genuinely think, just look absolutely cool,
Speaker 1: just swag.
Speaker 4: What's more personal a tattoo or a song that you've written,
Speaker 4: because I'm assuming not all songs are as personal as others.
Speaker 3: I mean there's a scale.
Speaker 2: There's absolutely a scale.
Speaker 1: I mean there's those songs that there's very few of
Speaker 1: these because I feel like as performers, you know, when
Speaker 1: something touches us that much, we kind of have that
Speaker 1: ego of thinking it can affect a lot of people.
Speaker 1: But if you ever meet songwriters who have songs that
Speaker 1: they've truly never played for anybody else.
Speaker 2: That I think is the most personal thing that you
Speaker 2: can that you can have.
Speaker 3: Do you have one of those? Two of those? Three
Speaker 3: of those?
Speaker 2: I only have one?
Speaker 1: Everything else I've always wanted to share in some capacity
Speaker 1: with somebody.
Speaker 3: Are you Are you making it precious? Or are you insecure?
Speaker 1: I think it's a shame thing, for sure, But I
Speaker 1: think it's one of the very few ways, like outlets,
Speaker 1: that I've learned to navigate shame with that I like.
Speaker 1: But it's also rooted in performing, which I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get away from. If I can turn my shame into
Speaker 1: something and I think it's beautiful and that someone could
Speaker 1: listen to it without arguing against it or negating its purpose,
Speaker 1: surely I did a good job.
Speaker 3: That's performing. Is the shame limiting itself as time goes by.
Speaker 4: In your dream scenario? Or are you always going to
Speaker 4: hold this song this precious?
Speaker 1: I think I'll hold it this precious until I don't
Speaker 1: have shame for what they like the song is about,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like for shame for that memory,
Speaker 1: shame for that circumstance, shame for how I reacted or
Speaker 1: didn't react to that circumstance. I think that the shame
Speaker 1: will always be there. And then there's also that performing
Speaker 1: thing of like it's something that I don't want anyone's
Speaker 1: even positive affirmations about yet, you know, it's just a
Speaker 1: little personal world. I don't know, but I don't think
Speaker 1: I have any tattoos that I would feel as personal
Speaker 1: about to a song.
Speaker 3: Do you have any tattoos from songs?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: Did you write a song ago? I'm gonna make this.
Speaker 4: This makes me feel a certain way, it's about a
Speaker 4: certain thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have started my back recently, which is going to
Speaker 1: be over my lifetime. All lyrics of mine that I
Speaker 1: that like really mean something to me. So I have
Speaker 1: a song called Wildflower, and that chorus is the first
Speaker 1: lyrics that are on my back so far, because it's
Speaker 1: just one of the songs that I want to represent
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life and one of the
Speaker 1: songs that I wrote for me to represent for.
Speaker 2: The rest of my life.
Speaker 3: Are you ocd that the lyrics will have to be
Speaker 3: in the same font or same side, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I've already made it.
Speaker 1: I've made sure that they can all be like hodgepodged
Speaker 1: and like the margins are all different on all of
Speaker 1: them too, and the fonts different on all of them
Speaker 1: based off of like the character of the song, So
Speaker 1: the font should reflect the song, if that makes any
Speaker 1: kind of sense.
Speaker 3: How often do you write?
Speaker 1: I write in some capacity every day, whether it's like
Speaker 1: free writing, or whether it's actually putting melody to lyrics,
Speaker 1: or whether it's co writing or write every day?
Speaker 3: Are you a melody first or a concept lyric first?
Speaker 2: Always different?
Speaker 3: Generally fifty one percent of the time.
Speaker 2: Concept first.
Speaker 1: It's happening less and less as I get older that
Speaker 1: I just have a melody that I can't shake that
Speaker 1: I want to put it like a narrative to Usually
Speaker 1: it's trying to find the melody.
Speaker 2: That fits the narrative.
Speaker 3: Where's home?
Speaker 2: Somewhere where there's food? You know what I mean? I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: It's not Oklahoma. It's not here. I live here, I
Speaker 1: was raised in Oklahoma. I don't know where I'm gonna
Speaker 1: end up or where I want to spend my personal time.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: God knocks on the door and says, hey, take me
Speaker 4: to your home. Where do you take them?
Speaker 1: Take them to the barn. I have a barn at
Speaker 1: my house. It has the best acoustics on the planet.
Speaker 3: Why.
Speaker 1: I think it's because it's open. It's like concrete and wood,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's nothing but refracturing sound.
Speaker 1: There's no sound proofing or absorbing or anything out there.
Speaker 3: But there must be a security there in that spot though,
Speaker 3: if you picked that, I.
Speaker 1: Think it's just where I'm always alone. You know, my
Speaker 1: house I've invited people into. My personal life is very small,
Speaker 1: so it's also very connected. I only have really like
Speaker 1: two best friends and people that I spend my time with,
Speaker 1: so it's all really connected. Family's weird, will always be weird,
Speaker 1: and I love them all so much. But the barn
Speaker 1: is the only place where it's ever just me. No
Speaker 1: one works in there with me, no one cleans it
Speaker 1: with me, no one takes care of the horses with me.
Speaker 2: That's just my place.
Speaker 3: So that is your security, I think so.
Speaker 4: And that barn probably allow me to put some words
Speaker 4: in your mouth and then you can take them out.
Speaker 3: That barn could probably exist in a.
Speaker 4: Few places if it needed to. Yeah, Like, it's not
Speaker 4: that literal place. It's what it stands for and what
Speaker 4: you can do in it. Yeah, So it's not Oklahoma, huh, No,
Speaker 4: When did that not?
Speaker 3: When was that not home?
Speaker 1: Oklahoma never felt like home. Oklahoma has always felt like
Speaker 1: an expectation and a weird thing. I have a song
Speaker 1: on this project that's called Oklahoma Mountains, and there are
Speaker 1: no mountains in Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've been there. I'm sure you know.
Speaker 3: My wife's from there.
Speaker 1: Where they're along all right, Yeah, there's nothing. You get lost,
Speaker 1: you just look up.
Speaker 3: You're the one thing. They're great and loss. That's what
Speaker 3: I'll say about the people.
Speaker 1: The people in Oklahoma are incredible. Everyone in Oklahoma will
Speaker 1: agree with you. They're the best and the worst part.
Speaker 1: The people are are what it is. But Oklahoma Mountains
Speaker 1: is just they say, there's no mountains in Oklahoma. Why
Speaker 1: have I always had to climb? Oklahoma is just tough
Speaker 1: for me. It's tough on me. It's tough for me.
Speaker 1: I don't know, And that's probably an alley thing.
Speaker 3: Is that an expectation to being Guard's daughter thing?
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's so much an expectation as
Speaker 1: much as it's like a just like this really hard
Speaker 1: label that nobody will move.
Speaker 3: What's the label?
Speaker 1: Just being a product's daughter? Like there's not even an
Speaker 1: Alley in the title. If I feel like I feel
Speaker 1: like we've talked about this in the past grammar wise,
Speaker 1: my vendetta with Garth Brooks daughter Comma Ali Coleene Comma
Speaker 1: is really really great and works.
Speaker 2: Really hard on our own.
Speaker 1: That whole sentence is still wrong because I am an
Speaker 1: adjective of the noun.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, you know what I mean? Like I am
Speaker 2: a daughter.
Speaker 1: To a title that's that's crazy, because like he's a product,
Speaker 1: Like Garth Brooks is a product that has been molded
Speaker 1: and shaped and worked for, and I am a fan
Speaker 1: of it. I love what it represents, I love who
Speaker 1: it is, I love everything about it.
Speaker 2: But that's what it is. Like Garth Brooks is a product.
Speaker 2: Ali Coleen is a product.
Speaker 1: I've worked really hard on it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: on its shelving, on its packaging, on what it represents,
Speaker 1: on where it comes from, all of those things.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't have a by product. Do you under
Speaker 2: ste what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Like, I'm not a byproduct of Garth Brooks. He's just
Speaker 1: my dad and we love each other. And then I
Speaker 1: went off and made a career for myself in music.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? In in Oklahoma. You're just
Speaker 1: always a daughter. You're always someone who's probably never worked
Speaker 1: very hard for anything. You're always someone who probably has
Speaker 1: all of our finance taken care of. You're probably someone
Speaker 1: who dad sits in the meetings with you and make
Speaker 1: sure that you've become as successful.
Speaker 2: As you are.
Speaker 1: Like there's always some kind of byproduct of someone else's legacy,
Speaker 1: and that's not what I am.
Speaker 3: Do you think you have to work harder than the
Speaker 3: average hard worker to prove that you work hard? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Do you think it?
Speaker 4: I'm not saying is it realm saying? Do you think
Speaker 4: I do? I think it, yes, because.
Speaker 1: Because that has been the narrative that I've been told
Speaker 1: for as long as I can remember. I think I
Speaker 1: shared this with you last time my first spelling tests,
Speaker 1: made a hundred on it, did a great job, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, crushed it.
Speaker 2: Kid next to me spelled beans wrong, be e in it.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Beans rock on, Dude, you are so close. I got
Speaker 1: a hundred on that spelling test because of who my dad.
Speaker 3: Is, which you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like just being told from the age that you were
Speaker 1: six from someone who you sit next to in class
Speaker 1: and do the same work with you, do the same
Speaker 1: things every day. I went home and practiced, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And that has been the case my
Speaker 1: entire life. Every soccer team I've ever made, every tryout
Speaker 1: I've ever had, every grade I've ever made, the car,
Speaker 1: I drive, the house, I have all of these things,
Speaker 1: you know, and.
Speaker 2: And everybody has their labels, everyone has their stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm not special. We all have our things. We have
Speaker 1: to get over. Those are just things that I'm really
Speaker 1: trying to get over.
Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Speaker 5: Bobby Cast.
Speaker 4: I want to make a comparison. It's not to your dad,
Speaker 4: and I hope the comparisons okay. And if it's not,
Speaker 4: then we'll just say it's not okay, and you can
Speaker 4: we'll talk about it.
Speaker 3: But uh Nicotine.
Speaker 4: The song it feels I won't say sounds like, but
Speaker 4: it feels like Ashley McBride type song.
Speaker 3: Because I love Ashley.
Speaker 2: I love Ashley.
Speaker 4: Ashley's from Arkansas, like I am small town in Arkansas,
Speaker 4: like we grew up in similar situations. So I love Ashley,
Speaker 4: and I say that in a very complimentary way. It
Speaker 4: feels like a story that she would tell how does
Speaker 4: that make you feel if I make a comparison to
Speaker 4: somebody else, because I don't think it's derivative of it
Speaker 4: at all, But I think that that is a skill
Speaker 4: that a few people have.
Speaker 1: I want to be Ashley McBride, So that makes me
Speaker 1: feel like the coolest kid on the planet. That I
Speaker 1: could even do something that Ashley would do. I think
Speaker 1: that's the coolest thing on the planet. But I've never
Speaker 1: once been told. I've never once been told when I
Speaker 1: do something that I'm really proud of that Ashton McBride
Speaker 1: made that happen for me, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it just never.
Speaker 3: I also wasn't saying ash mc may that happened for you.
Speaker 3: I'm saying it reminded me of that, right, But I'm.
Speaker 1: Just saying, like, being compared to another artist in that
Speaker 1: kind of way, in a songwriting way, absolutely an honor,
Speaker 1: especially one that I love. I'm like, I I did
Speaker 1: something she could do. That's that's an honor. Even if
Speaker 1: I've been and this doesn't happen often because we don't
Speaker 1: sound alike it all, but the very few times, like
Speaker 1: the first time that you watched me sing on YouTube
Speaker 1: and I did choose every woman, and you said, I
Speaker 1: can hear Garth's inflexions in her voice. I can hear that.
Speaker 1: That's one of the coolest compliments I've ever gotten in
Speaker 1: my life, Bobby, because I've always wondered if I could
Speaker 1: ever sound like him or like anything.
Speaker 2: Like that, because my siblings don't sing at all or
Speaker 2: do music.
Speaker 4: I would think would be the opposite. And actually I
Speaker 4: was a little ashamed that I had said.
Speaker 2: That, No, that's okay. I think that's cool.
Speaker 1: But at the time too, like you weren't saying, oh,
Speaker 1: she can sing because of who her dad is. You
Speaker 1: didn't do that thing of like genetics must be good.
Speaker 1: And then he punched me on the shoulder, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You just Ali was compared in that
Speaker 1: moment to a song or something of an artist that
Speaker 1: she loves, and I thought that was really really cool.
Speaker 4: I mean a tone and a texture, yeah, to me
Speaker 4: is what it was. More than Hey, she's his kid.
Speaker 4: Obviously she's gonna be able to do that exactly.
Speaker 1: And those are different, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: those things are different, and I can recognize that, Sony,
Speaker 1: anything that I would have to do with like music,
Speaker 1: I'm such an honor for But it's just like.
Speaker 2: If you told me.
Speaker 1: That little Bobby Bones was walking into the room, I
Speaker 1: would just think I would already have a lot of
Speaker 1: assumptions about little Bobby that I'll have to do with you,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1: That's human nature. It makes sense. I'm just asking more
Speaker 1: so the industry to help me out, to not put
Speaker 1: me in that box to people that I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: fit in that box. They're not gonna like me in there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't represent him at all.
Speaker 1: So it's just always been really tough when it's like
Speaker 1: Garth Brook's daughter Ali Coleen doing this, this this now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, everyone thinks friends in the Places
Speaker 1: is gonna be in my set and it's not.
Speaker 4: It's I ever thought about that, the expectation they would
Speaker 4: have of you to play your dad's songs, Yeah, no way.
Speaker 2: M h everywhere I go.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that would wear on me psychologically.
Speaker 1: It'd be like if people expect to you to do
Speaker 1: someone else's bits, Yeah, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: it's like that, that's not even how that works. Like, no,
Speaker 1: that's always tough, Like when You've worked so hard on
Speaker 1: the products and like what it is, and I love
Speaker 1: my music. I'm not gonna lie to you, Bobby. I
Speaker 1: think I'm like one of the best. I love my music.
Speaker 1: I get so excited every time I write something new,
Speaker 1: and I get so excited and I love it. But
Speaker 1: you're not gonna feel that way if you think it's
Speaker 1: gonna sound like a Garth Brooks song.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. And that's always the wall
Speaker 2: that I hit.
Speaker 1: I love representing my family and being a daughter and
Speaker 1: having the parents I have.
Speaker 3: I love them.
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of it.
Speaker 1: I just wish Ali Colin could also just stand on
Speaker 1: her own in a conversation, you know, without the legacy.
Speaker 4: Then I'm going to ask you a question that's going
Speaker 4: to be annoying. What does not the product? But what
Speaker 4: does your dad say about? How about how to approach that?
Speaker 4: About how to approach finding yourself away from the Garth
Speaker 4: Brooks product?
Speaker 3: And there are two different people. There's Garth Brooks, like
Speaker 3: you said, the product, and then there's your freaking dad
Speaker 3: who's been through it and knows a lot because he's
Speaker 3: been through it. What is his advice to you?
Speaker 2: My dad is man, and I might perceive it this way.
Speaker 1: So this entire conversation from this point on is how
Speaker 1: ALI perceives this.
Speaker 4: You can tell you made a lot of therapy because
Speaker 4: I say the same type of things you can tell
Speaker 4: with someone that did a lot of therapy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to make a blanket statement about
Speaker 1: Garth Brooks, you guys. But how I perceive my relationship
Speaker 1: with my father is I think he's very very hesitant
Speaker 1: to tell me anything about music, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because it just doesn't work the same as it did.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about generations different on like how
Speaker 1: he entered the scene, how I'm trying to enter the scene.
Speaker 1: My dad hates social media and sometimes thought that maybe
Speaker 1: I shouldn't do social media, like for myself, like for
Speaker 1: to preserve Alley.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, who else is going to do it?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Like I'm an independent artist. It's just me and Bev.
Speaker 1: That's it, just me and my manager.
Speaker 2: It's all we got.
Speaker 1: So my dad really stays away from that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And I don't ask too many questions either. Probably my
Speaker 1: dad and I have worked out since I was a kid,
Speaker 1: so maybe that's Also, I love the gym, but I've never.
Speaker 4: Red what about your dad? Not the guy that does music,
Speaker 4: but your dad. Let's say he didn't do music. You
Speaker 4: probably don't have advice for somebody doing music and how
Speaker 4: to differentiate themselves from A to B? Is is there
Speaker 4: not a separation of church and state.
Speaker 1: I have worked so hard in learning the difference between
Speaker 1: Ali Cooling and Ali and the way that I perceive
Speaker 1: my father is that he hasn't had that luxury. I
Speaker 1: don't know that my dad knows that there's a difference
Speaker 1: between Garth Brooks and Dad.
Speaker 3: That's fair.
Speaker 4: I struggle at times with knowing there's the difference between me,
Speaker 4: Bobby Estell and Bobby Bones, and I think the the I.
Speaker 1: Think I only know because I saw the two difference,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Because I didn't realize who
Speaker 1: Dad was until I was probably twelve or thirteen, because
Speaker 1: that was the age that I saw the Central Park
Speaker 1: footage and I thought, now, I get why they are
Speaker 1: grocery stores not that chill for us, you know, like
Speaker 1: I really didn't. I knew he was huge, I knew
Speaker 1: he was famous. I didn't know the capacity that it
Speaker 1: was global, you know what? I mean, like I really
Speaker 1: didn't understand that. So I saw two different things. And
Speaker 1: I mean you being entering to fame the way that
Speaker 1: you did, you didn't have anybody you know that you
Speaker 1: got to watch be two different things. So my perspective
Speaker 1: is just really weird.
Speaker 3: How do you write a song? You walk back into
Speaker 3: the barn.
Speaker 4: And you just sit down, and is it always there?
Speaker 2: It's always there. I've gotten to the point now on
Speaker 2: guitar where I'm starting to.
Speaker 1: Get better at it tour, because I used to if
Speaker 1: I didn't start the melding on the guitar, I was
Speaker 1: just screwed and was going to have to sing a
Speaker 1: song later for a guitar player in the sense of
Speaker 1: I'm very good at guitar, but I can't always find
Speaker 1: my key or my chords, like if I'm making something up.
Speaker 1: And now I've kind of gotten there, but now I
Speaker 1: just I just sit down, and I just I said down,
Speaker 1: and I'm grateful I have a skill and a craft
Speaker 1: that I've worked really hard at that I've met people
Speaker 1: that don't have the same outlet. And ever since I
Speaker 1: realized that, like it's not always normal for people to
Speaker 1: sit down and be able to write a song. I
Speaker 1: became really really grateful for that. And there is something
Speaker 1: about like surrendering to your craft, like no matter what
Speaker 1: it is, there's something about surrendering like to yourself and
Speaker 1: like your ability to do something. That's what songwriting feels.
Speaker 3: Like what's your live show like? Because I've seen you play,
Speaker 3: but it's always you've played our studio, you've played. I've
Speaker 3: not seen you out in the big yeah, Like what
Speaker 3: is it?
Speaker 1: My music is really big, it's really like sonically textured.
Speaker 1: I'm a big sensory person. I have a lot of
Speaker 1: sensory stuff and I love I just want my show
Speaker 1: to feel like a five Gum.
Speaker 2: Commercial, you know what I mean. I want there to
Speaker 2: be subs a five Gum commercial, you know, like five
Speaker 2: Gum it's like feature.
Speaker 1: Sensors and it's like someone laying on like a bow
Speaker 1: speaker that's the size of a football field and they're
Speaker 1: just like laying on it and like the gum. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so five Gum. I want my show to feel like
Speaker 1: a sensory experience like that. So we try and we
Speaker 1: do the whole heavy subs thing. My drummers are always
Speaker 1: much more rock oriented than country oriented, and it's just
Speaker 1: big and it's fun. And I do an acoustic set
Speaker 1: in the middle, which is very similar. It's like what
Speaker 1: I've gotten to do with you in the studio, and
Speaker 1: just to get to play my stuf acoustically for someone
Speaker 1: right in the middle of my set.
Speaker 2: But for the rest of the show, I don't hold
Speaker 2: a guitar or anything.
Speaker 1: I just went around and I find little girls in
Speaker 1: a crowd. Did I put a little faced hats on them?
Speaker 2: Later in the merch line?
Speaker 1: Really, m I keep eyelining on me all the time,
Speaker 1: and I'll give them a little horse shoes if.
Speaker 2: They want it.
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Speaker 3: What do you do before show? Any rituals?
Speaker 2: We have a pre show shot and a pre show
Speaker 2: prayer where we come together.
Speaker 1: As far as me personally, no, I we all still
Speaker 1: still kind of try and do everything and wear all
Speaker 1: the hats. So who knows how long sound check goes,
Speaker 1: you know, and how much time you have ready to
Speaker 1: get ready afterwards.
Speaker 2: So it's always kind of a scramble for me.
Speaker 3: Do you ever stumble into a song at sound check?
Speaker 2: I have not.
Speaker 3: It's completely different than you. But wolves if we're doing it.
Speaker 4: If I'm doing a comedy show and i'm testing, you know,
Speaker 4: we're checking guitars, I'll just say funny stuff overcords. And
Speaker 4: there have been a few times where we're like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is actually a good idea. Let's just sit with
Speaker 4: it and play it and kind of flesh it out.
Speaker 4: I think we did a song called It's so trivial
Speaker 4: compared to what you do. But we wrote a song
Speaker 4: called your Mama's House right, and Matt Stell, the artist,
Speaker 4: and myself were up there. We were playing a show
Speaker 4: in Atlanta, and we were just going back and forth
Speaker 4: but on stage together, and somebody made your mama joke
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh man, we should do that
Speaker 4: with a song. And so he started playing something and
Speaker 4: I think it was like, man.
Speaker 3: I really love your mama's house. You can always find
Speaker 3: me there when you're not around.
Speaker 4: It got a good laugh, but we sort of just balanced.
Speaker 4: He's going back and forth, back and forth, and there's
Speaker 4: not always time for that there.
Speaker 1: But oh, right with your band? No, okay, I don't
Speaker 1: write with my band. So I was wondering if maybe
Speaker 1: you don't.
Speaker 3: I don't have a band, Like I said, I'm not
Speaker 3: you, You're actually good. I fake being good.
Speaker 2: That's not fair.
Speaker 3: I have a partner in Eddie.
Speaker 4: We have a band. I have Brandon and Brandon who
Speaker 4: works with me as well. We'll send each other voice memos.
Speaker 4: We'll never be in the same room and I'll just
Speaker 4: be like, hey, what about this?
Speaker 3: That's what about this? And we'll go back and forth
Speaker 3: and almost write, like here's the idea.
Speaker 4: Is this funny? What if you did this? And eighty
Speaker 4: five percent of the song gets written like that.
Speaker 1: I want to learn how to not be a performer
Speaker 1: in the writing room. I'm not very good at that
Speaker 1: also too, Like usually like I have my own room
Speaker 1: and the word document. I'm like, if you guys go
Speaker 1: in there, I swear to God leave me alone. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can read out loud all these other things I'm
Speaker 1: putting on the main page.
Speaker 2: But my room's my room. Get out of here.
Speaker 1: And like, if I have a chorus idea, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: play you the entire chorus, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit with it. I'm gonna write the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna ask you if.
Speaker 3: You like it.
Speaker 1: And I wish I could get a little more not
Speaker 1: performer y in like the writing room.
Speaker 3: What about the vulnerability of the writing room?
Speaker 2: I think it depends on who I'm writing with. I
Speaker 2: have some people that.
Speaker 1: I'll call them up and I'll be like, Hey, I
Speaker 1: am not mentally okay or healthy or well today. Can
Speaker 1: I come up and share with you what's going on
Speaker 1: and you kind of scribe it out for me, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and see if we can turn
Speaker 1: it into something. And I've gotten to a point where
Speaker 1: those co writers sometimes are like, Ali, yes, but if
Speaker 1: you get over here and you're really not okay, we're
Speaker 1: not going to romanticize this today, Like we're not going
Speaker 1: to take everything you're going through and turn it into
Speaker 1: something for you to sing later when like you still
Speaker 1: are in this and like that's very few people, but
Speaker 1: I have two or three, And that is the coolest
Speaker 1: thing on the planet to not only have someone to
Speaker 1: go to to talk about that stuff, but to have
Speaker 1: someone stop you from performing and go, hey, you're having
Speaker 1: a really hard time right now, and the song you're
Speaker 1: writing is not even like reflecting these characters in a
Speaker 1: true way, Like you're just you're taking something that really
Speaker 1: hard that's happening to you, and we're watching you turn
Speaker 1: it into something that is pretty and packaged and going
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: Consumed by people.
Speaker 1: And I feel like, this is what you're working really
Speaker 1: hard to not do, and that's really cool.
Speaker 2: And then I have other people where.
Speaker 1: You just get in there and you write the song
Speaker 1: and it's almost all for them, like as an artist
Speaker 1: or for somebody else. And I get to put on
Speaker 1: the songwriter hat that day and my job is to
Speaker 1: sit there and and mediate someone's feelings and to help
Speaker 1: them kind of put it into something which is always different.
Speaker 1: But the songwriting community in Nashville is so diverse and
Speaker 1: it's so different, and so each write is different. It's
Speaker 1: on way two, which I love with the ADHD brain
Speaker 1: of like not wanting to do the same thing ever again,
Speaker 1: you know, so you can always do something different with
Speaker 1: the co writers in Nashville.
Speaker 3: The EP, there's five songs on it. Why just five songs?
Speaker 1: These were the five that I didn't think anyone would
Speaker 1: ever relate to. These are the five that I didn't
Speaker 1: think were commercial. These are the five that Ali cared about,
Speaker 1: and she couldn't get past them, you know, I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna go and release another single that I thought was
Speaker 1: super commercial when I had these five that I've sat on.
Speaker 1: Sincerely rolling Stone I've sat on since twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: and I love that song, and these are the five
Speaker 1: that I just wanted to put out as a very
Speaker 1: sincere This is how like, this is what a reflection
Speaker 1: of Ali's world is right now, these songs.
Speaker 4: I have a question then, because the EPE is Sincerely
Speaker 4: rolling Stone, But isn't the song just called rolling Stone? Because
Speaker 4: now I'm confused, So.
Speaker 1: The song is called rolling Stone parentheses sincerely or sincerely
Speaker 1: Prince of rolling Stone, however you want to do it absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone asked about this. Our first album was
Speaker 1: the same way. The first album is called Stones prince Ss.
Speaker 1: I don't give a and people never know what the
Speaker 1: song title is, so I'm eclectic.
Speaker 4: Like the EP is Sincerely Camma Rollingly rolling Stone, but
Speaker 4: track one is rolling Stone prince ye sincerely yes.
Speaker 1: Because the song is the song is I want to
Speaker 1: be your Rock, and I'm sorry that I'm not Sincerely
Speaker 1: You're rolling Stone. So the EP is Sincerely rolling Stone
Speaker 1: because this is a sincere project from me, and the
Speaker 1: song is just called rolling Stone, because that's what people
Speaker 1: come up and request. They say, well, you play the
Speaker 1: rolling Stone song, so it's called rolling Stone.
Speaker 3: People were requesting it before we put out.
Speaker 2: I've been playing this live since twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: And if people were requesting it then, I don't know
Speaker 4: why would you think that song would be the most
Speaker 4: non commercial or.
Speaker 3: No, probably lying to me, Bobby, here we go. Now
Speaker 3: we're getting to the trauma again. We're going back, probably
Speaker 3: lying to me. All five of these songs they're different.
Speaker 4: I mean even when listening because I tell you what,
Speaker 4: this was easy to listen to because it's only five.
Speaker 4: Sometimes people will be like, here's seventy three songs.
Speaker 3: I don't even listen to all of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, put this in your notes. Bobby will listen to
Speaker 2: seventy three songs.
Speaker 3: I know that. But Bobby will be like, I didn't
Speaker 3: get a chance to hear them all. So but.
Speaker 4: These five songs, I mean, I don't know that they
Speaker 4: Now that you say how that project is what it means,
Speaker 4: it makes more sense then because they all five don't
Speaker 4: fit perfectly together. Is that insulting in anyway? Because I
Speaker 4: didn't feel like But now it makes sense. If that's
Speaker 4: why you pick the five?
Speaker 1: These are my five, you know what I mean? It's
Speaker 1: not this was not a rolled out out Do we
Speaker 1: have this song on it? Do we have one of
Speaker 1: these songs on it? Do we have one of these songs?
Speaker 4: Cause that's what I expect most of the time now
Speaker 4: whenever it's hey, we're releasing whatever the project is. We
Speaker 4: need a mid we need an up, we need it down,
Speaker 4: we need a set. You know, there were these roles
Speaker 4: that the song has to play. I didn't feel that
Speaker 4: this meant that criteria.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't have it at all.
Speaker 1: These are the five that meant the world to me
Speaker 1: that I wasn't sure if anyone else was going.
Speaker 2: To care about.
Speaker 1: And but my I have a really really amazing close following,
Speaker 1: like of like the followers that I have, Like I'm
Speaker 1: very close to my following. You have a really private
Speaker 1: fan club that like gets together for like Thanksgiving and
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's really special to me, and they
Speaker 1: the cool kids have been asking for these.
Speaker 2: Five songs for the last couple of years all the time.
Speaker 1: So I thought I'm going to put together since your
Speaker 1: project of Ali because the single world is always chasing
Speaker 1: you know what, represents me as a commercial artist, like
Speaker 1: it always has been, always will be.
Speaker 2: It's how it's structured to do that.
Speaker 1: And so if there was a single from this, it
Speaker 1: was Grass and the Grave, and we released that as
Speaker 1: a single before it came out. But yeah, they're not
Speaker 1: they're not supposed to go together. And then also Household
Speaker 1: Name was something that I was never gonna be too
Speaker 1: confident about releasing as a single because I didn't want
Speaker 1: all the attention to be on Household Name. I wanted
Speaker 1: to be a part of a project, and a sincere
Speaker 1: project did that. So Household Name made it on this one,
Speaker 1: which was one that I wasn't sure if I was
Speaker 1: ever going to share with anybody, And it's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite songs on there only because it's sonically achieves
Speaker 1: everything I've wanted to.
Speaker 2: It's like the.
Speaker 1: Thunder rolls of Amy Lee in Three Days Grace, which
Speaker 1: is like my favorite thing on the plane. Am Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I listened to forty seven minutes of thunder pre roll
Speaker 1: to pick the probably second and a half of thunder
Speaker 1: that's in Household Name.
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of that.
Speaker 1: I picked under a pre roll just searching thunder sounds
Speaker 1: and just listening to everyone because I needed the perfect
Speaker 1: thunder crash, like I needed the perfect thunder that would
Speaker 1: have been in thunder Rolls but wasn't and would represent
Speaker 1: Allie and I picked it out. I was so proud
Speaker 1: of it. So I had a lot of fun creating
Speaker 1: this project. But it's not for I don't feel like
Speaker 1: it's for commercial listeners. I feel like it's for the
Speaker 1: people that care about Ali and represents exactly what our
Speaker 1: next chapter of music commercially is going to be.
Speaker 4: Then do this for me as we end, because I
Speaker 4: want to play on the National Accuntdown show Grass on
Speaker 4: the Grave, So I was like a good SoundBite, So
Speaker 4: just tell me what the song's about, so then I
Speaker 4: don't have to edit anything together.
Speaker 3: I can just play this clip. Of course, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Grass and the Grave is just a song for you
Speaker 1: to grieve all of your plants, whatever they are.
Speaker 2: For me, it was a relationship. It was an entire future.
Speaker 2: It was a marriage. For some people, it.
Speaker 1: Was a vacation in twenty twenty that they budgeted for
Speaker 1: three years that they never got to take. For some
Speaker 1: people with fertility. For some people, it's all of these
Speaker 1: different things. And Grass and the grave. It's just a
Speaker 1: real cool sonic song that isn't supposed to be too heavy,
Speaker 1: isn't supposed to be too hard. It just allows you
Speaker 1: three minutes of absolute frustration of what something was supposed
Speaker 1: to be. But you're still going to be okay because
Speaker 1: there's grass in the grave.
Speaker 3: You know that.
Speaker 4: Except you had no choice but to nail it because
Speaker 4: it's your story. You really couldn't have not nailed it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Would you have been like, do it? Reframe it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd give us a reframe? Yeah? Can you?
Speaker 2: Can you say it again? But better?
Speaker 3: You're extremely magnetic as a person.
Speaker 2: Are my magnets on the right side?
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter it does.
Speaker 2: One will push you away and one will drag in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what pushes someone away?
Speaker 2: Have you seen that? My therapist did that with me
Speaker 2: with magnets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just don't I temporarily would push someone away.
Speaker 3: I think we probably all are magnets. All change.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think I've been pushed away by certain
Speaker 4: magnets that later I've realized, Oh, I shouldn't have been
Speaker 4: pushed away at all. I should have actually, But that's
Speaker 4: what probably pushed me away was feeling so uncomfortable that
Speaker 4: I wanted to be drawn so.
Speaker 2: Quick give on polarities crazy.
Speaker 3: I've spent a lot of money in therapy.
Speaker 2: I haven't portocols completely.
Speaker 3: Free good for you and good for everybody.
Speaker 2: Who feel like it'd be free for you also, but yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know. They think I'm an artist enough. And
Speaker 3: also I like my therapist to be really close to
Speaker 3: my house.
Speaker 4: So I actually I go to a My wife and
Speaker 4: I go to therapy every two weeks. We've been going
Speaker 4: since before we got well, I guess right when we
Speaker 4: got married.
Speaker 2: That's hot.
Speaker 4: It's awesome, except it's not like it's hard. Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 4: for sure, it's hot, but it has I think for
Speaker 4: me the.
Speaker 2: Part it is hot, and you can quote me on that.
Speaker 4: I don't know that I will, but I will say
Speaker 4: that it has allowed me to live in an uncomfortable
Speaker 4: moment with my wife. And I never really had a
Speaker 4: relationship that was intimate where it I just thought everything
Speaker 4: intimate had to be perfect.
Speaker 1: No feeling uncomfortable and feeling safe at the same time.
Speaker 4: That's crazy, and for me, that has been the most
Speaker 4: growth I've had is that it's okay for to be
Speaker 4: comfortable and uncomfortable and to live in it. Yeah, because
Speaker 4: that's what happens with normal humans. I didn't have normal
Speaker 4: human relationships, so I didn't know. I thought every time
Speaker 4: we fought, she hates me, it's over.
Speaker 1: No. The only time I could get you to talk
Speaker 1: about anything personal last time was if it was about you.
Speaker 2: And your dogs.
Speaker 4: That's about it. And now it's a bit different. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so we I've been able to grow in that a lot.
Speaker 3: And then my.
Speaker 4: Personal I go every other week to my own as well.
Speaker 4: He's a psychiatrist and he can give medicine. Hell yeah,
Speaker 4: and I took a bunch of OCD medicine. I was
Speaker 4: on for a long time because I sometimes I get way,
Speaker 4: way way obsessed with things.
Speaker 3: I like, thirty pounds. I need to help it all. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I put on thirty pounds.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm just like, I'd rather be focused and not
Speaker 4: I have to buy new clothes. I was having to
Speaker 4: buy pants, and I was like, what's happening right now?
Speaker 4: My wife was like, did you check your medicine?
Speaker 2: Scary?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's scary. And the medicine is like you will
Speaker 3: gain three pounds a month or whatever it was, and
Speaker 3: I was like, how did I know this?
Speaker 2: So he's something else for you to be OCD about.
Speaker 4: That's great, exactly. Now I'm OCD about not being on
Speaker 4: OCD medicine. So yeah, it's been a big part of
Speaker 4: my life. I'm glad to hear that you're so open
Speaker 4: about it as well, because I think people need to
Speaker 4: hear people talking about the benefits of it and not
Speaker 4: the stigma of it.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's incredible. Yeah, it's absolutely so.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you being so open about it and talking
Speaker 4: about it than you and you got the good magnets.
Speaker 4: You're north, I'm south right now we're drawn. You're very magnetic.
Speaker 4: You guys can follow Ali. We put all of our
Speaker 4: information down Ali's information down below, and we talked about
Speaker 4: it before she got here, So nothing has changed since
Speaker 4: we spoke before Ali got here, at least I don't
Speaker 4: think so, right, Mike.
Speaker 3: I'll still clear.
Speaker 4: Ali great to see as always, and congratulations on the record.
Speaker 4: And now it all makes sense, but nothing ever makes
Speaker 4: fully sense. And if it does start to make sense,
Speaker 4: then you don't actually understand it.
Speaker 3: You can quote me on that.
Speaker 2: I probably will.
Speaker 4: No way you can remember that because I don't even
Speaker 4: rememb I just said, all right, that's it, Thank you
Speaker 5: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.