WEBVTT - #518 - Allie Colleen Returns! Stories Behind her 30-plus Tattoos + On Wanting Her Dad to Just be ‘Dad’ + Why She Loves Working Out + Why Oklahoma Isn’t Home

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's very, very hesitant to tell me anything

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<v Speaker 1>about music, you know what I mean, because it just

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work the same as it did.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're talking about generations different.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad hates social media and sometimes thought that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't do social media like for myself, like the

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<v Speaker 1>Preserve Alley.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm like, who else is going to do it?

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<v Speaker 3>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm an independent artist.

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<v Speaker 4>Episode five eighteen of The Bobby Cast with Ali Coleen.

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<v Speaker 4>She just put out a new EP called Sincerely Rolling Stone,

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<v Speaker 4>and I found because we've had her before and I've

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<v Speaker 4>always tried to be sensitivebout the fact that she is

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<v Speaker 4>her own artist. She's also Garth Brooks's daughter, and I

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<v Speaker 4>never want to be like, hey, so Garth's daughter. And

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<v Speaker 4>I felt like in the first time, we really didn't

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<v Speaker 4>do that much at all till the end. But this time,

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<v Speaker 4>so much of her music this time is about and

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<v Speaker 4>you can correct me if I'm wrong here about how

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<v Speaker 4>she balanced it deals lives with the fact that there's

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<v Speaker 4>an expectation on her because she's Garth's daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you feel like that's accurate? Yeah, she got deep

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<v Speaker 3>into it here, felt like therapy throughout.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think it was because really a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>her music this time is about those feelings that surround that,

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<v Speaker 4>and we talked about it. Otherwise, I don't think I

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<v Speaker 4>would have just canniballed into it. I would have definitely

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<v Speaker 4>respected her as she is as her own artist. But

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<v Speaker 4>I was grateful for her generosity in that area. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it was almost like he couldn't talk about the music

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<v Speaker 4>without talking about that. Yeah, so know that, know that

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<v Speaker 4>I would have for sure just been like, hey, let's

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<v Speaker 4>talk about your music, because I definitely respect her as

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<v Speaker 4>an artist and as a songwriter and just who she

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<v Speaker 4>is as a person.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that's it. I just want to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>we're all cool there.

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<v Speaker 4>She's Garth's daughter, but she's also first and foremost Ali Coleen,

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<v Speaker 4>her definite own person. She has a lot of tattoos.

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<v Speaker 4>We talk about that. Her arms are and her even

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<v Speaker 4>her legs are covered in art. I won't even say tattoos.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like one big art project. She didn't sing a

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<v Speaker 4>lot growing up, especially not in front of her family.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if we talked about horses this.

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<v Speaker 5>Time, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, well, a place in her house we talked about

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<v Speaker 4>that's true. That's true, but she's big horse person, so

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<v Speaker 4>we'll just get to it right now, Episode five eighteen

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<v Speaker 4>Ali Coleen. Follow her on Instagram, Alikolen Music or check

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<v Speaker 4>it out alikolen music dot com. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>spoil anything, but when she's like people just expect me

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<v Speaker 4>to play friends in little places, that was kind of funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I here you go enjoy.

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<v Speaker 4>Right before we went on, we were talking about exercising.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't like going to the gym.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like exercising, but I think I six days

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<v Speaker 3>a week probably What do you not like about it? Everything?

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<v Speaker 3>I hate it? What do you like about it? Though?

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<v Speaker 3>Because you get fired up you're like, I just like going, like,

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<v Speaker 3>what is it about it?

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<v Speaker 2>You still love it?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's it's a big control thing, right like,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think there's a lot of stuff you doing

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<v Speaker 1>here in your day that you don't want to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and I get to choose to do this one. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also like such a release. I'm an angry guy sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, and I don't feel that way.

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<v Speaker 2>When I get out of there.

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<v Speaker 4>It's funny that that is because everybody has different ways

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<v Speaker 4>to release, and I do have friends that are similar

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<v Speaker 4>to you and they like to And I own a

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<v Speaker 4>bunch of boxing gyms here in town for a long time,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I liked it, but I never found my

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<v Speaker 4>release in that, and like the exerting physically, I think

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<v Speaker 4>mostly my release is like getting a burner account, so

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<v Speaker 4>social media and going after people.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my role.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you link it to performing the gym? No, because

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<v Speaker 1>like you don't ever stop performing.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate the gym, though, Okay, let's break this up.

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<v Speaker 3>I like I like where you're, where you're taking me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like my day is constantly creating content, regardless

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<v Speaker 4>thinking of it talking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I got like five shows.

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<v Speaker 4>If I'm touring a part of the year if I'm

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<v Speaker 4>coming up, so that's always happening. I still hate the gym,

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<v Speaker 4>even though I'm able to separate from it.

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<v Speaker 3>I just hate.

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<v Speaker 4>I like exercising. If there's a Okay, you put me here,

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<v Speaker 4>I got it. I like competing. I like competing it's

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<v Speaker 4>other people and beating other people because I'm so insecure

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<v Speaker 4>that I have to beat people that stuff to feel

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<v Speaker 4>good about myself. And so if my exercise comes from that,

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<v Speaker 4>a plus, will do it all day. So beat Bobby

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<v Speaker 4>but I don't like that because I can beat Bobby

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<v Speaker 4>or I can lose to Bobby.

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<v Speaker 3>Bobby.

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<v Speaker 4>I can beat Bobby or I can lose to Bobby.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, Bobby wins, I don't like running. It's

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<v Speaker 4>what I don't like running.

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<v Speaker 2>On there's Bobby and there's the self.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but even if the self wins or if Bobby wins,

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<v Speaker 4>either way, I still won.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, the self can lose to Bobby dog.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but that's okay because then Bobby's still one, one

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<v Speaker 4>of the Bobby's one.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, all right, all right, so.

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<v Speaker 3>You liked you go, Okay, what do you do your box?

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<v Speaker 1>You say, I go to hot box when I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to do anything, because then you show up and

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<v Speaker 1>you're in a class and you have to and then

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<v Speaker 1>the competition comes in and it's like, well, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>work harder than the dude next to me today, so

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<v Speaker 1>that I do that. When I don't want to do something,

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<v Speaker 1>I go to hot box because I know my weaknesses,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is pushing myself.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to My weakness is just getting up

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<v Speaker 4>to go once I get in the car, if I

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<v Speaker 4>go to the gym, or I'm good.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just getting like put in my clothes on.

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<v Speaker 2>When was the last time you bought a new gym outfit.

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<v Speaker 3>Bobby, Oh no, never, not in forever. But I'm good though.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just telling you right now, I like a cutite

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<v Speaker 1>by a new gym fit. I'm in the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm probably in that night.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean. I'm in the fit, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in the gym. I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think I usually just cut out sleeves of

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<v Speaker 4>old shirts and that's a new outfit for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Though. Long as I cut sleeves out, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>We could also debunk that if you wanted to, but

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have to.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so. I think that's a new shirt

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<v Speaker 3>for me. My wife tells me all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>She goes, I see you cut sleeves out of two

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<v Speaker 4>more of your shirts I like to wear. I think

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<v Speaker 4>that's one of my simple joys, wearing cutout shirts.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you ever feel that way about your laces?

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<v Speaker 4>So here's the thing about my laces. My laces are

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<v Speaker 4>and we're look at us, Hey, look at us. Similar

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<v Speaker 4>I liked where my lace is loose. If they're shoes

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<v Speaker 4>that I know, I'm gonna do nothing athletic in and

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<v Speaker 4>then I can slide on and off. Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 4>I have shoes that are very similar that the strings

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<v Speaker 4>all pull them out, and I keep them tight just

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<v Speaker 4>in case I have to, like run, if I'm getting

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<v Speaker 4>robbed or something. I think that would be that reason.

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<v Speaker 4>What is your lace theory? Because yours a loose as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Mine are loose, but they're also the they can't be

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<v Speaker 1>longer you go to step on them, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you got to make them so loose as

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<v Speaker 3>they can't because if you made them the exact link

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<v Speaker 3>they were, you would step on them like you've kept

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<v Speaker 3>them loose to the front of the foot.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yeah, yeah, I feel like these are my shoes,

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<v Speaker 4>It says I. There's nothing I can do except work,

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<v Speaker 4>and I love shoes. I didn't have a bunch shoes

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<v Speaker 4>growing up as a kid, so now it's these are

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<v Speaker 4>very expensive shoes. And I say that in the way

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<v Speaker 4>if I had never had good shoes growing up, so

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<v Speaker 4>now I buy expensive shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>I played a show for a roofing company in Oklahoma,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was the wife's birthday, and she gotten into

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<v Speaker 1>a Louis Vuitton set.

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<v Speaker 2>For her cow at that party of wait what.

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<v Speaker 1>She got a louisiton like harness, like a whole set. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they made me think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>They make Louis Biton harnesses, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Think they do. I think they did, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>For one, I think so? Yeah, so those are just listening.

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<v Speaker 4>I have on a pair of air Max red Nike

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<v Speaker 4>Louis Biton and I love them. And when I put

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<v Speaker 4>these on, I know that I can't hop into a

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<v Speaker 4>pickleball match.

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<v Speaker 1>That seems more like a personal boundary for you than

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<v Speaker 1>the shoe. But I think I will hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>Really yeah, I have to tighten these way up. I

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<v Speaker 3>can do. So what's your shoe deal?

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<v Speaker 4>Because you you you have a pretty cool fashion since

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<v Speaker 4>in general, why I love.

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<v Speaker 2>Half and half. I always have.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was probably in like eighth grade, my sister

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<v Speaker 1>got a pair of kool Aids and she couldn't pick

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<v Speaker 1>between the yellow pair and the green pears, so she

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<v Speaker 1>bought both and she wore like the right and left

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<v Speaker 1>shoe of both colors. And ever since then, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with half and half. So my laces are half

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<v Speaker 1>and half for tour, I have a Timberlin and a

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<v Speaker 1>black Timberlain. I always mix my converse half and half.

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<v Speaker 3>That wouldn't work for me.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm pretty colorblind in general, so I'd accidentally be normal.

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<v Speaker 2>But you could tell the difference between a dark shoe and.

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<v Speaker 3>A light shoe if it was black and white. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but blue and green? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you tell that my laces are different?

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't notice that we were different until you said that.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know too much about the whole color blind thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's certain colors for certain people.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, all minds dark colors.

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<v Speaker 4>After about a six on the scale, it's all black,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe six point five.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you pick the colors you like to wear?

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<v Speaker 3>I love red. I weren't a lot of red today

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<v Speaker 3>because you can see it, or I can see.

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<v Speaker 4>Red a little darker. But yeah, I wear a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of red or light colors. My wife helps me. When

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<v Speaker 4>I was in high school and I would go I

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<v Speaker 4>was in Key Club and which is Kwana's educating youth,

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<v Speaker 4>and I would go speak and try to win scholarships.

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<v Speaker 4>And so they let me because of my quote unquote disability.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't say that now, but they let me take

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<v Speaker 4>my friend with me to match clothes because I couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>tell the difference.

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<v Speaker 3>I really didn't need them, but.

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<v Speaker 2>The camaraderie is kind of cool, but that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I really didn't need them because I can just

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<v Speaker 4>like now. A lot of my stuff's labeled as well.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm not blind, but my right eye doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 4>I have eight percent vision of my right eye in general,

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<v Speaker 4>so I should have a handicap sticker and I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>And you still pickleball the hell out of it though.

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine though I've had both eyes, how good I would be.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone wants to.

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<v Speaker 4>They shouldn't give me Unstoppable because I want a bronze

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<v Speaker 4>medal with a one eye. Imagine I've had both eyes

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<v Speaker 4>and if I have a silver? Do you play pickleball

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<v Speaker 4>at all?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you no, but yes, I do

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<v Speaker 2>play pickleball.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeh.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you do?

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<v Speaker 4>So if you're going to work out, though, you say

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<v Speaker 4>you go to you don't have say the name of

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<v Speaker 4>the gym, but you go to like a I just go.

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<v Speaker 2>To like local gym when I want to work out

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<v Speaker 2>that has like free weights.

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<v Speaker 4>I love lifting and you can make yourself work hard, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>because I can make myself work hard at work.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard for me.

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<v Speaker 4>To just push myself physically to the point where it's uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 4>which I pay a trainer to do. But it's hard

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<v Speaker 4>for me to push myself in that part of my

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<v Speaker 4>life that I push myself so hard it makes me uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 3>But you can do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like I perform for everybody else all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and the gym is the only place that

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<v Speaker 1>I only perform for Ali.

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<v Speaker 3>That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like I don't want to perform anywhere else,

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<v Speaker 4>and the gym's part of the place I don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to perform.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't relate to not wanting to perform.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't. I'm such an introvert when I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>an extrovert, But.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't perform for yourself at home.

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<v Speaker 4>I perform for my dogs. I do bits all the

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<v Speaker 4>time for my dogs and my wife. But she didn't

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<v Speaker 4>really like to.

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<v Speaker 2>Bitch, Oh the world's your dogs have seen?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, I do a lot of bits. But I'm

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<v Speaker 3>very introverted.

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<v Speaker 4>If I'm not on a lot of people will go

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<v Speaker 4>if they'll send me a restaurant or something, and they

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<v Speaker 4>won't come say hi, this is the annoying part about it.

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<v Speaker 4>They won't come say hi, but then they'll tag me

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<v Speaker 4>in something and be like, here's a total jerk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll tell somebody later that you were like put off,

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<v Speaker 1>but they didn't, and I was like.

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<v Speaker 4>I never said anything to me, And I naturally am

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<v Speaker 4>a quiet person that feels like nobody wants me in

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<v Speaker 4>their space, so I don't get in their space.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the expectation for someone to expect you to come

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<v Speaker 1>and create rapport just because you're in a room is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know they're there, and you don't care they're there.

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<v Speaker 1>Respectfully, you're just at First Watch having some avocado toast,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy. You shouldn't have to set rapport with the

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<v Speaker 2>entire room.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and I agree.

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<v Speaker 4>I also appreciate the fact that they think they know

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<v Speaker 4>me well enough, because it's an odd relationship to have

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<v Speaker 4>with that, because it does irritate me when people will say, man,

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<v Speaker 4>he was a jerk er tagged me, Hey, you were

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<v Speaker 4>such a jerk at this place, and I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 4>never said hi to me. How am I supposed to

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<v Speaker 4>react to somebody who doesn't come up and say hello.

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<v Speaker 3>However, I think for me.

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<v Speaker 4>The benefit of that is somebody feels like they know

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<v Speaker 4>me well enough through what they've consumed from me that

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<v Speaker 4>they feel I should be a certain way. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>intimate in that content, you know, absorption from people. And

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think it's fair, but I have found kind

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<v Speaker 4>of a silver lining to that that people feel they

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<v Speaker 4>know me well enough to get upset irrationally because it's

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<v Speaker 4>not fair.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not fair.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not fair.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not fair.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that you're an introvert, so maybe you don't

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<v Speaker 1>relate to this, or maybe you do. I I'm an introvert,

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<v Speaker 1>so if I'm out in public, I've just already decided

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ounta in public. How do you feel about people

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<v Speaker 1>who are Like, if celebrities aren't going to be nice

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<v Speaker 1>to you, they have no reason to go to a restaurant.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate I feel like they should be able to

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<v Speaker 2>go to a restaurant.

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<v Speaker 4>There's only two rules that I give people that listen

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<v Speaker 4>to me, and they don't have to listen to my rules.

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<v Speaker 4>But if a celebrity is with a kid, or they

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<v Speaker 4>have food in front of them in a public place,

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<v Speaker 4>leave them alone. Other than that, they know what they've

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<v Speaker 4>got themselves into and they've gone to public.

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<v Speaker 3>Knowing that people will know them. Their job was to

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<v Speaker 3>be known.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so if they have a kid with them, don't

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<v Speaker 4>bother them, or if there's food in front of them,

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<v Speaker 4>don't bother them.

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<v Speaker 3>Other than that, they have the right to say no.

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<v Speaker 4>As a celebrity, absolutely, they can absolutely be a jerk

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<v Speaker 4>all they want, but you're in a public place to

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<v Speaker 4>go up and say hi. And most times I have

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<v Speaker 4>found that people enjoy when normal people come up and

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<v Speaker 4>say they're a fan of them. That's kind of why

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<v Speaker 4>they got into the business.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 4>Most times there's a rare exception of people who are jerks,

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<v Speaker 4>but most people that create for public consumption enjoy it

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<v Speaker 4>when the public comes up and says, I enjoy what you.

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<v Speaker 3>Have put out. Yeah, but just.

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<v Speaker 4>No kids and no food. Other than that, they're free

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<v Speaker 4>game and I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>The kids in the food thing is very cool to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Why, Because you were the kid once I was the kid.

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<v Speaker 4>I was thinking about you today leading into this for

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<v Speaker 4>that exact reason. It's so funny that we ended up

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<v Speaker 4>on this because I was thinking, man, I bet your

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<v Speaker 4>relationship with fame is so weird because you probably just

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to have parents.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to have parents, and I just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to have parents that could be parents too, you know, like,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's always tough because you're, you know, considering this

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<v Speaker 1>lifeline that isn't real. So who knows what we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? But I do wander sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>what something would have been like if my dad was

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<v Speaker 1>always just dad, if like that was his biggest thing,

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<v Speaker 1>But that takes away eighty two percent of the human

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<v Speaker 1>that man is, you know what I mean. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more than just a dad. So but I was

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<v Speaker 1>the kid, and it was really tough. And I only

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<v Speaker 1>found when we were eating. So I think it's really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting you say that if you want to come up

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<v Speaker 1>and say hi when we're shopping at the grocery store.

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<v Speaker 2>It never bothered me, It really didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was something about when we're eating, and he

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<v Speaker 1>is to stand up and make sure that he is

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<v Speaker 1>not have food in his teeth and that he doesn't,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, all the things that a

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<v Speaker 1>human should be able to do when they're sitting and

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<v Speaker 1>eating with their family.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was always really tough.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm not going to compare my situation to yours

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<v Speaker 4>in any way or my wife's.

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<v Speaker 3>But so.

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<v Speaker 4>When I got married, for my wife, the situation was

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<v Speaker 4>a bit difficult in that I got to grow with

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<v Speaker 4>whatever version of fame that I have, because I'm definitely

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<v Speaker 4>not famous, but I am known in parts of the

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<v Speaker 4>country and people do come up and say hello, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's great. Ninety nine percent of the time, it really is.

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<v Speaker 4>I got to grow with that, right, meaning I got

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<v Speaker 4>to be in a small town, I got to syndicate myself.

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<v Speaker 3>Have I did shows of one hundred people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you got to evolve as you evolved.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure. So I grew with it learned where my

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<v Speaker 3>wife was kind of dunked into it and I would

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<v Speaker 3>be like, Oh, it's okay, they're recording us from two

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<v Speaker 3>tables over. It's not a big deal. But to her

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<v Speaker 3>that was her starting point, so it was really weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine I feel that way about the TikTok

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<v Speaker 1>and the viral thing with these artists right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've seen the last five years.

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<v Speaker 1>The most mental effect on these new artists who haven't

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<v Speaker 1>done anything, and then now they're on an opening tour

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<v Speaker 1>or haven't done and it's like I can't imagine that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have a lot of stuff that I have

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<v Speaker 1>a big chip on my shoulder about with having you know,

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<v Speaker 1>famous parents and like living and growing up in that

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<v Speaker 1>way that I do.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can't imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Running into it at nineteen, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere and like being viral overnight or running

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<v Speaker 1>into it at twenty two out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Like.

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<v Speaker 2>So, I'm very grateful to have gotten.

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<v Speaker 1>To see it on the spectrum that I saw it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then now I've experienced it in my own way

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<v Speaker 1>in such a totally different different spectrum than the way

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<v Speaker 1>that my you know, I did as a child.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's crazy that would I'll say relieve because I

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<v Speaker 3>in a different way. I feel it too.

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<v Speaker 4>It relieves a bit of resentment, Like you're able to

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<v Speaker 4>see somebody else go into it differently and you're like, man,

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<v Speaker 4>that would kind of suck.

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<v Speaker 2>Perspectives.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a tool, but you only get it through

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<v Speaker 3>situations that you didn't ask for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like patience, Like if you.

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<v Speaker 4>Have perspective, it's because you've been through something it wasn't desirable. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>what So we have kind of rules at the house.

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<v Speaker 3>My wife's very private.

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<v Speaker 4>And part of that too, is probably her getting dunked

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<v Speaker 4>in it and me not understanding I needed to care more.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I failed a bit early on because I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't understand I needed to care more about that part

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<v Speaker 4>of our life because I'd just been so public with

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<v Speaker 4>everything and.

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<v Speaker 3>She's very private.

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<v Speaker 4>Was there a part of your life where you were

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<v Speaker 4>just like I'm just and maybe it's not even it's

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<v Speaker 4>in your name. I don't know what it is like

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<v Speaker 4>that you were just like I need this for me

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<v Speaker 4>because my life has been associated with Garth Brooks or

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<v Speaker 4>country music or like, what did you keep to yourself

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<v Speaker 4>that was so private or different?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still working really hard on that. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been in therapy for the last three years specifically

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<v Speaker 1>for that, because, you know, growing up the way that

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<v Speaker 1>I did, you were just privileged, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you just had everything that nobody else had, Like

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<v Speaker 1>there couldn't have been anything wrong because we had so much.

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<v Speaker 4>You know now, to be fair, what you're saying is

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<v Speaker 4>just so I can speak between the words you're actually saying.

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<v Speaker 4>You're saying you weren't allowed to feel like you down

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<v Speaker 4>because you were so up.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that until I was an adult. But

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<v Speaker 1>of course, like we had everything, and my parents came

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<v Speaker 1>from respectfully nothing, you know, so I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>it even crossed maybe their brains that we could go

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<v Speaker 1>without because we had everything, and so I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we talk about performing in the gym and

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<v Speaker 1>all of those things, and like I mean, I had

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<v Speaker 1>to learn at you know, a very young age that

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't just get to be a wild kid in

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<v Speaker 1>the grocery store because what you did was a reflection

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<v Speaker 1>of Garth Brooks, you know what I mean. And like

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<v Speaker 1>and we as a family, we love that name. We

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<v Speaker 1>love the name of Tricia Yearwood. We love the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Garth Brooks. Now, those those products are not my parents,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. My bonus mom is my

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<v Speaker 1>bonus mom, and my dad and my mom or my parents,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what they are. But there's also that thing

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<v Speaker 1>of growing up where it's like man and anyone from

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<v Speaker 1>who's like a really really small town also gets it

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<v Speaker 1>to on that spectrum, like if you get in trouble

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<v Speaker 1>at the bar, you know what I mean, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one on your first time, like that is a

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<v Speaker 1>reflection of your family in that small town, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, And so think about that globally, it

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<v Speaker 1>just seemed like everything we did so we had. We

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<v Speaker 1>tried to get the best grades, and we tried to

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<v Speaker 1>be the best athletes, and we tried to be the

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<v Speaker 1>kindest people in town, you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you just try and do all that thing, like what

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about earlier, just to negate any possible run.

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<v Speaker 2>Ins with like being anything that's negative.

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<v Speaker 1>And so as an adult, I'm twenty eight now and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really trying to figure out what Ali does for Ali.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you read and this is such a cliche book,

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<v Speaker 3>But I say that because I just read it.

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<v Speaker 4>I always felt it was cliche, so I never read it.

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<v Speaker 4>I just read The Alchemist.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm familiar with the title.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, me too, It's all I was familiar with it.

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<v Speaker 4>And so the whole thing is about finding your personal legend.

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<v Speaker 4>The whole book it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying that to me, was the first your purpose? Oh oh,

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<v Speaker 2>like your legacy?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like why do you exist? Like what.

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<v Speaker 4>Inside of you? What is your purpose? For being here,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think my purpose was so attached to my

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<v Speaker 4>career for so long. I give it only that's the

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<v Speaker 4>only thing I really had control in though, because it's

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<v Speaker 4>coming from how I grew up. I didn't have control.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't have any family.

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<v Speaker 7>So children do not have agency. I okay, go ahead,

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<v Speaker 7>Children do not have agency. I felt like I had

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<v Speaker 7>to develop agency very early because you had to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, is.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a fault. You under see what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Like any child that had to establish their own agency

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<v Speaker 1>before I mean, let's just say eighteen, because culturally that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we do here. You know, at eighteen, you're

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<v Speaker 1>out there and you're able to make your own decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>You can mess up with the irs and go to jail,

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<v Speaker 1>you can do all the things at eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyone who has.

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<v Speaker 1>To establish agency for them before that, that is something

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<v Speaker 1>that you're going to have to go back through your

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<v Speaker 1>entire life with your new beautiful on a lobe that

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<v Speaker 1>you have now and reprogram all of those things. Children

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<v Speaker 1>do not have agency. Children have freedom to be children.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is not the case for I'm sure most

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<v Speaker 1>most people. You know what I mean, Like we all

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<v Speaker 1>have to do it, but you didn't have agency as

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<v Speaker 1>a child.

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<v Speaker 4>I would say, though, how I compare my childhood is

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<v Speaker 4>I would compare it to yours in the parallel of

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<v Speaker 4>you may have been given. You may have had the

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<v Speaker 4>ability to not have to have agency for so long

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<v Speaker 4>that it could have kept you from growing in certain ways.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't have agency because I think the biggest thing

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<v Speaker 1>of agency is not having the freedom to be a child,

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<v Speaker 1>not having the freedom to grow up and establish your

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<v Speaker 1>own likes and dislikes, like your own.

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<v Speaker 2>Fears and not fears.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead you have like this lifeline that has thrown on

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<v Speaker 1>to you that kind of takes away that agency. And

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<v Speaker 1>so for you having to perform in such a way

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<v Speaker 1>when you were younger, because you had to step in

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<v Speaker 1>and fill fill roles that children should not have to fill,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that affects the self the same way.

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<v Speaker 4>But don't you think you had to step in and

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<v Speaker 4>fill roles of the expectation that that you had put

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<v Speaker 4>on yourself to be whomever everybody else thought you were?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely my siblings and I had absolutely no agency to

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<v Speaker 1>grow and to evolve at an appropriate pace, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean? Reflection, Yes, And so how are you

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged to do that with the Alchemists.

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<v Speaker 2>And where do you land at? Is there a landing point?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think there's a landing point ever, just in

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<v Speaker 4>general anyway, Yeah, I don't hate that. I think the

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<v Speaker 4>one thing I've learned is there really is no target ever.

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<v Speaker 4>You just kind of aim toward a goal, and then

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<v Speaker 4>at any time you want to modify that, you have

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<v Speaker 4>the ability to modify that. My goals used to be

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<v Speaker 4>A and B, and I've had a in therapy. I've

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<v Speaker 4>had a real hard time with not feeling like a

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<v Speaker 4>failure because I'm modifying a goal, because I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>if I'm modifying a goal, I'm giving up.

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<v Speaker 2>So how is purpose to find in the Alchemist.

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<v Speaker 3>That it's okay to.

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<v Speaker 4>Chase your sense of self even if it wasn't your

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<v Speaker 4>sense of self even five minutes ago, that there there

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<v Speaker 4>is no definitive sense of self. That a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>the things that we prioritize and make extremely important, we're

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<v Speaker 4>making important, making important for exterior for reasons that really

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<v Speaker 4>don't matter to us, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Matters to other people, and other people.

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<v Speaker 4>Matter to us, and limiting that because it's never going

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<v Speaker 4>to be gone. Yeah, and so yeah, I avoided that

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<v Speaker 4>book forever and I read it and pretty freaking amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>I get it.

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<v Speaker 4>I get why people like talk about it so much.

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<v Speaker 4>The same thing with the Four Agreements, Like I read

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<v Speaker 4>that didn't want to fends like read it and for

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<v Speaker 4>me that that the part of that book was don't

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<v Speaker 4>nothing in business is personal, even if it is it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, those things make like push to make a decision

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<v Speaker 1>that is bigger than the self. I think same thing

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<v Speaker 1>with like pushing yourself to work out. It's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>just pushing that bigger conversation. That's like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard, but I do like the I like the

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<v Speaker 1>frustration you have with taking on new stuff that you

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<v Speaker 1>know is gonna be helpful, but you also know that

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<v Speaker 1>you have to evolve afterwards.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good with delayed gratification.

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<v Speaker 4>I really am, because all my gratification has been extremely delayed, extremely.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I'm pretty good with delayed gratification. You have

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of tattoos.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just I was looking at this photograph before

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<v Speaker 1>you came in here, and I was thinking about the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that are not on this photograph.

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<v Speaker 2>I like doing that every time I come to a

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<v Speaker 2>room I'm like, what's new?

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<v Speaker 3>What are you saying with all these tattoos?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that they all say you know something different

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<v Speaker 1>in their own way. I also don't find it to

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<v Speaker 1>be too serious in the sense of I saw a

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<v Speaker 1>woman when I was probably eight or nine that was

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<v Speaker 1>just covered head to toe in tattoos, and I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>what a Like, that's crazy. Like I just thought she

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<v Speaker 1>was stunning, And I thought, I want to represent what

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<v Speaker 1>I've learned and how I've evolved in a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>tiny little things that matter to me.

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<v Speaker 2>And some of them are just cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them I just think are cool, like my

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<v Speaker 2>band aid, Are you joking?

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<v Speaker 3>I think all of them are probably cool. And I

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<v Speaker 3>guess so.

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<v Speaker 4>I wonder if you were, in your mind required to

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<v Speaker 4>live a certain way because of the expectation upon you,

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<v Speaker 4>is this a way to say there is no expectation

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<v Speaker 4>on me anymore?

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<v Speaker 1>I think for me, it's just an outward thing of like,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that is one of the few things that I

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<v Speaker 1>have done for myself. I have tattoos of myself. I

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<v Speaker 1>have two tattoos of myself and where she was when

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<v Speaker 1>she got them and who she is now, because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who else is ever going to get an

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<v Speaker 1>ally colleen leg sleeve.

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<v Speaker 2>If there are a couple of people, I'd be pretty rad.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there are. Anything is rarely just me,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'll do it. But I just love it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've never thought about it as any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like negating what people expect me to look like.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never talked. I've never taken it that way. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't mean to put words in your mouth.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I did take it as that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've had a lot of people ask me that

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<v Speaker 1>and asked about, oh, well, so you have tattoos because

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<v Speaker 1>your parents don't like tattoos orally the cases, And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like I it has never crossed my mind to ask

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<v Speaker 1>my parents what they thought about my tattoos or my body.

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<v Speaker 3>How many do you have?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I've passed with both of my arms being

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<v Speaker 1>one whole piece.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I've passed thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>What was your first tattoo?

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<v Speaker 2>My elephant?

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<v Speaker 3>Which one on your leg?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that's a odd place to get a first tattoo,

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<v Speaker 4>right on your quad.

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<v Speaker 1>I already had my I already had my sleeve planned out.

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<v Speaker 1>But I I graduated. I was one of those really

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<v Speaker 1>late summer birthdays or graduated like seventeen. So I knew

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to be in Nashville when I was

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen because I chose my university here, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>already had Jay picked out. Jay Quarrels is my tattoo artists.

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<v Speaker 1>I absolutely love him, and so I already had him

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<v Speaker 1>picked out. So I just wanted something to get on

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<v Speaker 1>my eighteenth birthday, and the elephant was a painting that

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<v Speaker 1>I'd done, and so I wanted I wanted to do

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<v Speaker 1>my own first tattoo like I wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>To design it.

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<v Speaker 3>Are they all personal?

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<v Speaker 2>Not all of them? Most of them?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, some of them I genuinely think, just look absolutely cool,

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<v Speaker 1>just swag.

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<v Speaker 4>What's more personal a tattoo or a song that you've written,

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<v Speaker 4>because I'm assuming not all songs are as personal as others.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean there's a scale.

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<v Speaker 2>There's absolutely a scale.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's those songs that there's very few of

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<v Speaker 1>these because I feel like as performers, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>something touches us that much, we kind of have that

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<v Speaker 1>ego of thinking it can affect a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you ever meet songwriters who have songs that

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<v Speaker 1>they've truly never played for anybody else.

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<v Speaker 2>That I think is the most personal thing that you

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<v Speaker 2>can that you can have.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have one of those? Two of those? Three

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<v Speaker 3>of those?

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<v Speaker 2>I only have one?

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<v Speaker 1>Everything else I've always wanted to share in some capacity

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<v Speaker 1>with somebody.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you Are you making it precious? Or are you insecure?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a shame thing, for sure, But I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's one of the very few ways, like outlets,

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<v Speaker 1>that I've learned to navigate shame with that I like.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also rooted in performing, which I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get away from. If I can turn my shame into

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<v Speaker 1>something and I think it's beautiful and that someone could

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<v Speaker 1>listen to it without arguing against it or negating its purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>surely I did a good job.

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<v Speaker 3>That's performing. Is the shame limiting itself as time goes by.

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<v Speaker 4>In your dream scenario? Or are you always going to

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<v Speaker 4>hold this song this precious?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'll hold it this precious until I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have shame for what they like the song is about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like for shame for that memory,

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 1>shame for that circumstance, shame for how I reacted or

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't react to that circumstance. I think that the shame

0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 1>will always be there. And then there's also that performing

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 1>thing of like it's something that I don't want anyone's

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<v Speaker 1>even positive affirmations about yet, you know, it's just a

0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 1>little personal world. I don't know, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I have any tattoos that I would feel as personal

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<v Speaker 1>about to a song.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have any tattoos from songs?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 4>Did you write a song ago? I'm gonna make this.

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<v Speaker 4>This makes me feel a certain way, it's about a

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<v Speaker 4>certain thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I have started my back recently, which is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be over my lifetime. All lyrics of mine that I

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 1>that like really mean something to me. So I have

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:33.720
<v Speaker 1>a song called Wildflower, and that chorus is the first

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 1>lyrics that are on my back so far, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>just one of the songs that I want to represent

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of my life and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>songs that I wrote for me to represent for.

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 2>The rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you ocd that the lyrics will have to be

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<v Speaker 3>in the same font or same side, I don't know.

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 2>I've already made it.

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>I've made sure that they can all be like hodgepodged

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>and like the margins are all different on all of

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 1>them too, and the fonts different on all of them

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 1>based off of like the character of the song, So

0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 1>the font should reflect the song, if that makes any

0:29:58.720 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of sense.

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<v Speaker 3>How often do you write?

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 1>I write in some capacity every day, whether it's like

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 1>free writing, or whether it's actually putting melody to lyrics,

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 1>or whether it's co writing or write every day?

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 3>Are you a melody first or a concept lyric first?

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Always different?

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 3>Generally fifty one percent of the time.

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Concept first.

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 1>It's happening less and less as I get older that

0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 1>I just have a melody that I can't shake that

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 1>I want to put it like a narrative to Usually

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 1>it's trying to find the melody.

0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 2>That fits the narrative.

0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 3>Where's home?

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Somewhere where there's food? You know what I mean? I

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 2>don't know.

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 1>It's not Oklahoma. It's not here. I live here, I

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 1>was raised in Oklahoma. I don't know where I'm gonna

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 1>end up or where I want to spend my personal time.

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 4>God knocks on the door and says, hey, take me

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 4>to your home. Where do you take them?

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Take them to the barn. I have a barn at

0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:58.720
<v Speaker 1>my house. It has the best acoustics on the planet.

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:00.240
<v Speaker 3>Why.

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I think it's because it's open. It's like concrete and wood,

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:05.480
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. It's nothing but refracturing sound.

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 1>There's no sound proofing or absorbing or anything out there.

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 3>But there must be a security there in that spot though,

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 3>if you picked that, I.

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Think it's just where I'm always alone. You know, my

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:20.640
<v Speaker 1>house I've invited people into. My personal life is very small,

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 1>so it's also very connected. I only have really like

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 1>two best friends and people that I spend my time with,

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 1>so it's all really connected. Family's weird, will always be weird,

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 1>and I love them all so much. But the barn

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 1>is the only place where it's ever just me. No

0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:37.400
<v Speaker 1>one works in there with me, no one cleans it

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 1>with me, no one takes care of the horses with me.

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:41.479
<v Speaker 2>That's just my place.

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 3>So that is your security, I think so.

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 4>And that barn probably allow me to put some words

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 4>in your mouth and then you can take them out.

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 3>That barn could probably exist in a.

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 4>Few places if it needed to. Yeah, Like, it's not

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.240
<v Speaker 4>that literal place. It's what it stands for and what

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 4>you can do in it. Yeah, So it's not Oklahoma, huh, No,

0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 4>When did that not?

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 3>When was that not home?

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma never felt like home. Oklahoma has always felt like

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>an expectation and a weird thing. I have a song

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>on this project that's called Oklahoma Mountains, and there are

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 1>no mountains in Oklahoma.

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you've been there. I'm sure you know.

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 3>My wife's from there.

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Where they're along all right, Yeah, there's nothing. You get lost,

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:25.479
<v Speaker 1>you just look up.

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 3>You're the one thing. They're great and loss. That's what

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 3>I'll say about the people.

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 1>The people in Oklahoma are incredible. Everyone in Oklahoma will

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 1>agree with you. They're the best and the worst part.

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>The people are are what it is. But Oklahoma Mountains

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 1>is just they say, there's no mountains in Oklahoma. Why

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 1>have I always had to climb? Oklahoma is just tough

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 1>for me. It's tough on me. It's tough for me.

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, And that's probably an alley thing.

0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 3>Is that an expectation to being Guard's daughter thing?

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that it's so much an expectation as

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 1>much as it's like a just like this really hard

0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 1>label that nobody will move.

0:32:59.120 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 3>What's the label?

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Just being a product's daughter? Like there's not even an

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Alley in the title. If I feel like I feel

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 1>like we've talked about this in the past grammar wise,

0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>my vendetta with Garth Brooks daughter Comma Ali Coleene Comma

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 1>is really really great and works.

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Really hard on our own.

0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 1>That whole sentence is still wrong because I am an

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 1>adjective of the noun.

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:21.920
<v Speaker 2>That's crazy, you know what I mean? Like I am

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 2>a daughter.

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 1>To a title that's that's crazy, because like he's a product,

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Like Garth Brooks is a product that has been molded

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:32.960
<v Speaker 1>and shaped and worked for, and I am a fan

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>of it. I love what it represents, I love who

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 1>it is, I love everything about it.

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:40.240
<v Speaker 2>But that's what it is. Like Garth Brooks is a product.

0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Ali Coleen is a product.

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 1>I've worked really hard on it, you know what I mean,

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:47.040
<v Speaker 1>on its shelving, on its packaging, on what it represents,

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 1>on where it comes from, all of those things.

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 2>But it doesn't have a by product. Do you under

0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 2>ste what I'm saying?

0:33:56.480 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Like, I'm not a byproduct of Garth Brooks. He's just

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>my dad and we love each other. And then I

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 1>went off and made a career for myself in music.

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? In in Oklahoma. You're just

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:11.879
<v Speaker 1>always a daughter. You're always someone who's probably never worked

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 1>very hard for anything. You're always someone who probably has

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 1>all of our finance taken care of. You're probably someone

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>who dad sits in the meetings with you and make

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:20.880
<v Speaker 1>sure that you've become as successful.

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 2>As you are.

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Like there's always some kind of byproduct of someone else's legacy,

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:26.759
<v Speaker 1>and that's not what I am.

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 3>Do you think you have to work harder than the

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 3>average hard worker to prove that you work hard? Yeah?

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 3>Do you think it?

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying is it realm saying? Do you think

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 4>I do? I think it, yes, because.

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Because that has been the narrative that I've been told

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 1>for as long as I can remember. I think I

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 1>shared this with you last time my first spelling tests,

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 1>made a hundred on it, did a great job, you

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, crushed it.

0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Kid next to me spelled beans wrong, be e in it.

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:00.799
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean?

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Beans rock on, Dude, you are so close. I got

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 1>a hundred on that spelling test because of who my dad.

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 3>Is, which you know what I mean?

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:12.799
<v Speaker 1>Like just being told from the age that you were

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 1>six from someone who you sit next to in class

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:18.160
<v Speaker 1>and do the same work with you, do the same

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:21.400
<v Speaker 1>things every day. I went home and practiced, you know

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. And that has been the case my

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:27.760
<v Speaker 1>entire life. Every soccer team I've ever made, every tryout

0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 1>I've ever had, every grade I've ever made, the car,

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:33.320
<v Speaker 1>I drive, the house, I have all of these things,

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, and.

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:36.320
<v Speaker 2>And everybody has their labels, everyone has their stuff.

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm not special. We all have our things. We have

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:41.479
<v Speaker 1>to get over. Those are just things that I'm really

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 1>trying to get over.

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 5>The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:56.320
<v Speaker 5>Bobby Cast.

0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 4>I want to make a comparison. It's not to your dad,

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:02.560
<v Speaker 4>and I hope the comparisons okay. And if it's not,

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 4>then we'll just say it's not okay, and you can

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:05.839
<v Speaker 4>we'll talk about it.

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 3>But uh Nicotine.

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:11.400
<v Speaker 4>The song it feels I won't say sounds like, but

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 4>it feels like Ashley McBride type song.

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:16.840
<v Speaker 3>Because I love Ashley.

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I love Ashley.

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 4>Ashley's from Arkansas, like I am small town in Arkansas,

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 4>like we grew up in similar situations. So I love Ashley,

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 4>and I say that in a very complimentary way. It

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 4>feels like a story that she would tell how does

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 4>that make you feel if I make a comparison to

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 4>somebody else, because I don't think it's derivative of it

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:43.800
<v Speaker 4>at all, But I think that that is a skill

0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 4>that a few people have.

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:49.480
<v Speaker 1>I want to be Ashley McBride, So that makes me

0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 1>feel like the coolest kid on the planet. That I

0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 1>could even do something that Ashley would do. I think

0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:57.799
<v Speaker 1>that's the coolest thing on the planet. But I've never

0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 1>once been told. I've never once been told when I

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.160
<v Speaker 1>do something that I'm really proud of that Ashton McBride

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>made that happen for me, you know what I mean,

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Like it just never.

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 3>I also wasn't saying ash mc may that happened for you.

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying it reminded me of that, right, But I'm.

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Just saying, like, being compared to another artist in that

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of way, in a songwriting way, absolutely an honor,

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:22.759
<v Speaker 1>especially one that I love. I'm like, I I did

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:26.080
<v Speaker 1>something she could do. That's that's an honor. Even if

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.479
<v Speaker 1>I've been and this doesn't happen often because we don't

0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 1>sound alike it all, but the very few times, like

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.720
<v Speaker 1>the first time that you watched me sing on YouTube

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:35.360
<v Speaker 1>and I did choose every woman, and you said, I

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:40.120
<v Speaker 1>can hear Garth's inflexions in her voice. I can hear that.

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 1>That's one of the coolest compliments I've ever gotten in

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.359
<v Speaker 1>my life, Bobby, because I've always wondered if I could

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 1>ever sound like him or like anything.

0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:48.319
<v Speaker 2>Like that, because my siblings don't sing at all or

0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 2>do music.

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 4>I would think would be the opposite. And actually I

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:51.880
<v Speaker 4>was a little ashamed that I had said.

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:53.640
<v Speaker 2>That, No, that's okay. I think that's cool.

0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:57.399
<v Speaker 1>But at the time too, like you weren't saying, oh,

0:37:57.440 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 1>she can sing because of who her dad is. You

0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't do that thing of like genetics must be good.

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:02.600
<v Speaker 1>And then he punched me on the shoulder, you know

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. You just Ali was compared in that

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:09.960
<v Speaker 1>moment to a song or something of an artist that

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:11.959
<v Speaker 1>she loves, and I thought that was really really cool.

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:14.360
<v Speaker 4>I mean a tone and a texture, yeah, to me

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.719
<v Speaker 4>is what it was. More than Hey, she's his kid.

0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:20.280
<v Speaker 4>Obviously she's gonna be able to do that exactly.

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:21.759
<v Speaker 1>And those are different, you know what I mean, Like,

0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 1>those things are different, and I can recognize that, Sony,

0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.720
<v Speaker 1>anything that I would have to do with like music,

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:28.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm such an honor for But it's just like.

0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 2>If you told me.

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:38.560
<v Speaker 1>That little Bobby Bones was walking into the room, I

0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 1>would just think I would already have a lot of

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:44.280
<v Speaker 1>assumptions about little Bobby that I'll have to do with you,

0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:45.719
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. There's nothing wrong with that.

0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:50.399
<v Speaker 1>That's human nature. It makes sense. I'm just asking more

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 1>so the industry to help me out, to not put

0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 1>me in that box to people that I'm not gonna

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 1>fit in that box. They're not gonna like me in there,

0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. I don't represent him at all.

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 1>So it's just always been really tough when it's like

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:06.759
<v Speaker 1>Garth Brook's daughter Ali Coleen doing this, this this now

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:08.720
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, everyone thinks friends in the Places

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 1>is gonna be in my set and it's not.

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 4>It's I ever thought about that, the expectation they would

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:18.720
<v Speaker 4>have of you to play your dad's songs, Yeah, no way.

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 2>M h everywhere I go.

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, that would wear on me psychologically.

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:29.239
<v Speaker 1>It'd be like if people expect to you to do

0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:31.279
<v Speaker 1>someone else's bits, Yeah, you know what I mean, Like

0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:34.279
<v Speaker 1>it's like that, that's not even how that works. Like, no,

0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:37.680
<v Speaker 1>that's always tough, Like when You've worked so hard on

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 1>the products and like what it is, and I love

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:41.759
<v Speaker 1>my music. I'm not gonna lie to you, Bobby. I

0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:44.760
<v Speaker 1>think I'm like one of the best. I love my music.

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I get so excited every time I write something new,

0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 1>and I get so excited and I love it. But

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:52.440
<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna feel that way if you think it's

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:53.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna sound like a Garth Brooks song.

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:56.319
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean. And that's always the wall

0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:56.799
<v Speaker 2>that I hit.

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<v Speaker 1>I love representing my family and being a daughter and

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<v Speaker 1>having the parents I have.

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<v Speaker 3>I love them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so proud of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wish Ali Colin could also just stand on

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:09.840
<v Speaker 1>her own in a conversation, you know, without the legacy.

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<v Speaker 4>Then I'm going to ask you a question that's going

0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 4>to be annoying. What does not the product? But what

0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:18.799
<v Speaker 4>does your dad say about? How about how to approach that?

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:23.760
<v Speaker 4>About how to approach finding yourself away from the Garth

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:24.720
<v Speaker 4>Brooks product?

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<v Speaker 3>And there are two different people. There's Garth Brooks, like

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:28.839
<v Speaker 3>you said, the product, and then there's your freaking dad

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:32.239
<v Speaker 3>who's been through it and knows a lot because he's

0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 3>been through it. What is his advice to you?

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:40.399
<v Speaker 2>My dad is man, and I might perceive it this way.

0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:42.279
<v Speaker 1>So this entire conversation from this point on is how

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 1>ALI perceives this.

0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:45.040
<v Speaker 4>You can tell you made a lot of therapy because

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:46.520
<v Speaker 4>I say the same type of things you can tell

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:47.759
<v Speaker 4>with someone that did a lot of therapy.

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:48.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, go ahead.

0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not trying to make a blanket statement about

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Garth Brooks, you guys. But how I perceive my relationship

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:56.480
<v Speaker 1>with my father is I think he's very very hesitant

0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 1>to tell me anything about music, you know what I mean,

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:00.319
<v Speaker 1>because it just doesn't work the same as it did.

0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:03.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're talking about generations different on like how

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 1>he entered the scene, how I'm trying to enter the scene.

0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 1>My dad hates social media and sometimes thought that maybe

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:12.840
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't do social media, like for myself, like for

0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 1>to preserve Alley.

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:15.360
<v Speaker 2>But I'm like, who else is going to do it?

0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:15.600
<v Speaker 3>Man?

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm an independent artist. It's just me and Bev.

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 1>That's it, just me and my manager.

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:20.879
<v Speaker 2>It's all we got.

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.920
<v Speaker 1>So my dad really stays away from that kind of stuff.

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:27.759
<v Speaker 1>And I don't ask too many questions either. Probably my

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:29.439
<v Speaker 1>dad and I have worked out since I was a kid,

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:31.439
<v Speaker 1>so maybe that's Also, I love the gym, but I've never.

0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:33.840
<v Speaker 4>Red what about your dad? Not the guy that does music,

0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 4>but your dad. Let's say he didn't do music. You

0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:37.719
<v Speaker 4>probably don't have advice for somebody doing music and how

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:41.640
<v Speaker 4>to differentiate themselves from A to B? Is is there

0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:43.360
<v Speaker 4>not a separation of church and state.

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:49.280
<v Speaker 1>I have worked so hard in learning the difference between

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Ali Cooling and Ali and the way that I perceive

0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:59.640
<v Speaker 1>my father is that he hasn't had that luxury. I

0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:01.840
<v Speaker 1>don't know that my dad knows that there's a difference

0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:03.240
<v Speaker 1>between Garth Brooks and Dad.

0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:03.919
<v Speaker 3>That's fair.

0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:06.360
<v Speaker 4>I struggle at times with knowing there's the difference between me,

0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 4>Bobby Estell and Bobby Bones, and I think the the I.

0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Think I only know because I saw the two difference,

0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Because I didn't realize who

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Dad was until I was probably twelve or thirteen, because

0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:21.839
<v Speaker 1>that was the age that I saw the Central Park

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 1>footage and I thought, now, I get why they are

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:29.000
<v Speaker 1>grocery stores not that chill for us, you know, like

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:31.759
<v Speaker 1>I really didn't. I knew he was huge, I knew

0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:35.120
<v Speaker 1>he was famous. I didn't know the capacity that it

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 1>was global, you know what? I mean, like I really

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:42.319
<v Speaker 1>didn't understand that. So I saw two different things. And

0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:45.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean you being entering to fame the way that

0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:48.520
<v Speaker 1>you did, you didn't have anybody you know that you

0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:51.239
<v Speaker 1>got to watch be two different things. So my perspective

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 1>is just really weird.

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:54.879
<v Speaker 3>How do you write a song? You walk back into

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 3>the barn.

0:42:55.840 --> 0:43:01.319
<v Speaker 4>And you just sit down, and is it always there?

0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:06.319
<v Speaker 2>It's always there. I've gotten to the point now on

0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:07.480
<v Speaker 2>guitar where I'm starting to.

0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Get better at it tour, because I used to if

0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I didn't start the melding on the guitar, I was

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:12.880
<v Speaker 1>just screwed and was going to have to sing a

0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 1>song later for a guitar player in the sense of

0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm very good at guitar, but I can't always find

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 1>my key or my chords, like if I'm making something up.

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:21.880
<v Speaker 1>And now I've kind of gotten there, but now I

0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:28.359
<v Speaker 1>just I just sit down, and I just I said down,

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.640
<v Speaker 1>and I'm grateful I have a skill and a craft

0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:33.000
<v Speaker 1>that I've worked really hard at that I've met people

0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:35.279
<v Speaker 1>that don't have the same outlet. And ever since I

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:37.719
<v Speaker 1>realized that, like it's not always normal for people to

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:39.400
<v Speaker 1>sit down and be able to write a song. I

0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:42.520
<v Speaker 1>became really really grateful for that. And there is something

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 1>about like surrendering to your craft, like no matter what

0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:48.400
<v Speaker 1>it is, there's something about surrendering like to yourself and

0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:51.720
<v Speaker 1>like your ability to do something. That's what songwriting feels.

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:54.160
<v Speaker 3>Like what's your live show like? Because I've seen you play,

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 3>but it's always you've played our studio, you've played. I've

0:43:57.040 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 3>not seen you out in the big yeah, Like what

0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:00.040
<v Speaker 3>is it?

0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 1>My music is really big, it's really like sonically textured.

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm a big sensory person. I have a lot of

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:13.399
<v Speaker 1>sensory stuff and I love I just want my show

0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:14.760
<v Speaker 1>to feel like a five Gum.

0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Commercial, you know what I mean. I want there to

0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 2>be subs a five Gum commercial, you know, like five

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Gum it's like feature.

0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Sensors and it's like someone laying on like a bow

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 1>speaker that's the size of a football field and they're

0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 1>just like laying on it and like the gum. Yeah, yeah,

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 1>so five Gum. I want my show to feel like

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 1>a sensory experience like that. So we try and we

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 1>do the whole heavy subs thing. My drummers are always

0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 1>much more rock oriented than country oriented, and it's just

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:45.799
<v Speaker 1>big and it's fun. And I do an acoustic set

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:47.320
<v Speaker 1>in the middle, which is very similar. It's like what

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I've gotten to do with you in the studio, and

0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:51.680
<v Speaker 1>just to get to play my stuf acoustically for someone

0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:52.839
<v Speaker 1>right in the middle of my set.

0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 2>But for the rest of the show, I don't hold

0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 2>a guitar or anything.

0:44:56.080 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I just went around and I find little girls in

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:01.960
<v Speaker 1>a crowd. Did I put a little faced hats on them?

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 2>Later in the merch line?

0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Really, m I keep eyelining on me all the time,

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:06.839
<v Speaker 1>and I'll give them a little horse shoes if.

0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:07.200
<v Speaker 2>They want it.

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:10.520
<v Speaker 6>Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:21.600
<v Speaker 6>and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:24.400
<v Speaker 3>What do you do before show? Any rituals?

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:26.560
<v Speaker 2>We have a pre show shot and a pre show

0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:29.360
<v Speaker 2>prayer where we come together.

0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 1>As far as me personally, no, I we all still

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 1>still kind of try and do everything and wear all

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 1>the hats. So who knows how long sound check goes,

0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:41.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, and how much time you have ready to

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 1>get ready afterwards.

0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 2>So it's always kind of a scramble for me.

0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:46.399
<v Speaker 3>Do you ever stumble into a song at sound check?

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:47.840
<v Speaker 2>I have not.

0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:53.359
<v Speaker 3>It's completely different than you. But wolves if we're doing it.

0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:58.200
<v Speaker 4>If I'm doing a comedy show and i'm testing, you know,

0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:01.920
<v Speaker 4>we're checking guitars, I'll just say funny stuff overcords. And

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:03.920
<v Speaker 4>there have been a few times where we're like, oh,

0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:05.560
<v Speaker 4>this is actually a good idea. Let's just sit with

0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:07.279
<v Speaker 4>it and play it and kind of flesh it out.

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.400
<v Speaker 4>I think we did a song called It's so trivial

0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 4>compared to what you do. But we wrote a song

0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:17.400
<v Speaker 4>called your Mama's House right, and Matt Stell, the artist,

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:19.279
<v Speaker 4>and myself were up there. We were playing a show

0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:21.600
<v Speaker 4>in Atlanta, and we were just going back and forth

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:26.080
<v Speaker 4>but on stage together, and somebody made your mama joke

0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:27.120
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, oh man, we should do that

0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 4>with a song. And so he started playing something and

0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:30.720
<v Speaker 4>I think it was like, man.

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:33.279
<v Speaker 3>I really love your mama's house. You can always find

0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:34.720
<v Speaker 3>me there when you're not around.

0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 4>It got a good laugh, but we sort of just balanced.

0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 4>He's going back and forth, back and forth, and there's

0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:40.160
<v Speaker 4>not always time for that there.

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:44.799
<v Speaker 1>But oh, right with your band? No, okay, I don't

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:46.239
<v Speaker 1>write with my band. So I was wondering if maybe

0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:46.520
<v Speaker 1>you don't.

0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:48.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't have a band, Like I said, I'm not

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:51.839
<v Speaker 3>you, You're actually good. I fake being good.

0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 2>That's not fair.

0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:55.160
<v Speaker 3>I have a partner in Eddie.

0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:58.480
<v Speaker 4>We have a band. I have Brandon and Brandon who

0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 4>works with me as well. We'll send each other voice memos.

0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:05.040
<v Speaker 4>We'll never be in the same room and I'll just

0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:06.279
<v Speaker 4>be like, hey, what about this?

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:08.640
<v Speaker 3>That's what about this? And we'll go back and forth

0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:11.000
<v Speaker 3>and almost write, like here's the idea.

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:14.320
<v Speaker 4>Is this funny? What if you did this? And eighty

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:16.160
<v Speaker 4>five percent of the song gets written like that.

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:18.440
<v Speaker 1>I want to learn how to not be a performer

0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:22.160
<v Speaker 1>in the writing room. I'm not very good at that

0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:24.839
<v Speaker 1>also too, Like usually like I have my own room

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:26.600
<v Speaker 1>and the word document. I'm like, if you guys go

0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:29.280
<v Speaker 1>in there, I swear to God leave me alone. Okay,

0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 1>you can read out loud all these other things I'm

0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:32.200
<v Speaker 1>putting on the main page.

0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:34.160
<v Speaker 2>But my room's my room. Get out of here.

0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:36.120
<v Speaker 1>And like, if I have a chorus idea, I'm gonna

0:47:36.120 --> 0:47:37.560
<v Speaker 1>play you the entire chorus, you know what I mean.

0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:39.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna sit with it. I'm gonna write the whole thing,

0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:40.479
<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna ask you if.

0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:40.719
<v Speaker 3>You like it.

0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 1>And I wish I could get a little more not

0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:44.759
<v Speaker 1>performer y in like the writing room.

0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:47.160
<v Speaker 3>What about the vulnerability of the writing room?

0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:50.680
<v Speaker 2>I think it depends on who I'm writing with. I

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:52.000
<v Speaker 2>have some people that.

0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:55.879
<v Speaker 1>I'll call them up and I'll be like, Hey, I

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 1>am not mentally okay or healthy or well today. Can

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:02.160
<v Speaker 1>I come up and share with you what's going on

0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:04.520
<v Speaker 1>and you kind of scribe it out for me, you

0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:05.640
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, and see if we can turn

0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:07.839
<v Speaker 1>it into something. And I've gotten to a point where

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:10.759
<v Speaker 1>those co writers sometimes are like, Ali, yes, but if

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.839
<v Speaker 1>you get over here and you're really not okay, we're

0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:16.279
<v Speaker 1>not going to romanticize this today, Like we're not going

0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:19.120
<v Speaker 1>to take everything you're going through and turn it into

0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 1>something for you to sing later when like you still

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:23.920
<v Speaker 1>are in this and like that's very few people, but

0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:27.120
<v Speaker 1>I have two or three, And that is the coolest

0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 1>thing on the planet to not only have someone to

0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:31.319
<v Speaker 1>go to to talk about that stuff, but to have

0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 1>someone stop you from performing and go, hey, you're having

0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:36.879
<v Speaker 1>a really hard time right now, and the song you're

0:48:36.880 --> 0:48:39.400
<v Speaker 1>writing is not even like reflecting these characters in a

0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:42.040
<v Speaker 1>true way, Like you're just you're taking something that really

0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:45.040
<v Speaker 1>hard that's happening to you, and we're watching you turn

0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:48.040
<v Speaker 1>it into something that is pretty and packaged and going

0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:48.319
<v Speaker 1>to be.

0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:49.240
<v Speaker 2>Consumed by people.

0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:51.399
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like, this is what you're working really

0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:53.720
<v Speaker 1>hard to not do, and that's really cool.

0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:55.960
<v Speaker 2>And then I have other people where.

0:48:57.480 --> 0:48:59.200
<v Speaker 1>You just get in there and you write the song

0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:01.399
<v Speaker 1>and it's almost all for them, like as an artist

0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:03.120
<v Speaker 1>or for somebody else. And I get to put on

0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the songwriter hat that day and my job is to

0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:09.000
<v Speaker 1>sit there and and mediate someone's feelings and to help

0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:12.120
<v Speaker 1>them kind of put it into something which is always different.

0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 1>But the songwriting community in Nashville is so diverse and

0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:19.399
<v Speaker 1>it's so different, and so each write is different. It's

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:21.560
<v Speaker 1>on way two, which I love with the ADHD brain

0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:23.720
<v Speaker 1>of like not wanting to do the same thing ever again,

0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:27.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, so you can always do something different with

0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:28.800
<v Speaker 1>the co writers in Nashville.

0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:34.640
<v Speaker 3>The EP, there's five songs on it. Why just five songs?

0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:37.319
<v Speaker 1>These were the five that I didn't think anyone would

0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:39.239
<v Speaker 1>ever relate to. These are the five that I didn't

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:42.280
<v Speaker 1>think were commercial. These are the five that Ali cared about,

0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:44.719
<v Speaker 1>and she couldn't get past them, you know, I wasn't

0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:46.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna go and release another single that I thought was

0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:49.000
<v Speaker 1>super commercial when I had these five that I've sat on.

0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Sincerely rolling Stone I've sat on since twenty twenty one,

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:57.080
<v Speaker 1>and I love that song, and these are the five

0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 1>that I just wanted to put out as a very

0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:01.320
<v Speaker 1>sincere This is how like, this is what a reflection

0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:04.000
<v Speaker 1>of Ali's world is right now, these songs.

0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:05.840
<v Speaker 4>I have a question then, because the EPE is Sincerely

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:07.799
<v Speaker 4>rolling Stone, But isn't the song just called rolling Stone? Because

0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:08.680
<v Speaker 4>now I'm confused, So.

0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:13.040
<v Speaker 1>The song is called rolling Stone parentheses sincerely or sincerely

0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Prince of rolling Stone, however you want to do it absolutely,

0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:17.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, everyone asked about this. Our first album was

0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:20.240
<v Speaker 1>the same way. The first album is called Stones prince Ss.

0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:23.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't give a and people never know what the

0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:26.040
<v Speaker 1>song title is, so I'm eclectic.

0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:29.920
<v Speaker 4>Like the EP is Sincerely Camma Rollingly rolling Stone, but

0:50:30.040 --> 0:50:33.160
<v Speaker 4>track one is rolling Stone prince ye sincerely yes.

0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Because the song is the song is I want to

0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:39.839
<v Speaker 1>be your Rock, and I'm sorry that I'm not Sincerely

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:44.680
<v Speaker 1>You're rolling Stone. So the EP is Sincerely rolling Stone

0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:47.400
<v Speaker 1>because this is a sincere project from me, and the

0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:49.359
<v Speaker 1>song is just called rolling Stone, because that's what people

0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:50.759
<v Speaker 1>come up and request. They say, well, you play the

0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:52.840
<v Speaker 1>rolling Stone song, so it's called rolling Stone.

0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:54.919
<v Speaker 3>People were requesting it before we put out.

0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 2>I've been playing this live since twenty twenty one.

0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:01.680
<v Speaker 4>And if people were requesting it then, I don't know

0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:04.480
<v Speaker 4>why would you think that song would be the most

0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:05.480
<v Speaker 4>non commercial or.

0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:07.880
<v Speaker 3>No, probably lying to me, Bobby, here we go. Now

0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:11.120
<v Speaker 3>we're getting to the trauma again. We're going back, probably

0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:18.920
<v Speaker 3>lying to me. All five of these songs they're different.

0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 4>I mean even when listening because I tell you what,

0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:23.160
<v Speaker 4>this was easy to listen to because it's only five.

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:25.960
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes people will be like, here's seventy three songs.

0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:27.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't even listen to all of them.

0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, put this in your notes. Bobby will listen to

0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:29.879
<v Speaker 2>seventy three songs.

0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:33.319
<v Speaker 3>I know that. But Bobby will be like, I didn't

0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:35.480
<v Speaker 3>get a chance to hear them all. So but.

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:41.960
<v Speaker 4>These five songs, I mean, I don't know that they

0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:44.800
<v Speaker 4>Now that you say how that project is what it means,

0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:48.480
<v Speaker 4>it makes more sense then because they all five don't

0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:51.560
<v Speaker 4>fit perfectly together. Is that insulting in anyway? Because I

0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:54.920
<v Speaker 4>didn't feel like But now it makes sense. If that's

0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:55.640
<v Speaker 4>why you pick the five?

0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:58.120
<v Speaker 1>These are my five, you know what I mean? It's

0:51:58.160 --> 0:52:02.840
<v Speaker 1>not this was not a rolled out out Do we

0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 1>have this song on it? Do we have one of

0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:05.640
<v Speaker 1>these songs on it? Do we have one of these songs?

0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:07.040
<v Speaker 4>Cause that's what I expect most of the time now

0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:09.719
<v Speaker 4>whenever it's hey, we're releasing whatever the project is. We

0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:11.799
<v Speaker 4>need a mid we need an up, we need it down,

0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:13.720
<v Speaker 4>we need a set. You know, there were these roles

0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:15.279
<v Speaker 4>that the song has to play. I didn't feel that

0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:16.560
<v Speaker 4>this meant that criteria.

0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it doesn't have it at all.

0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:19.880
<v Speaker 1>These are the five that meant the world to me

0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:21.640
<v Speaker 1>that I wasn't sure if anyone else was going.

0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:22.120
<v Speaker 2>To care about.

0:52:22.200 --> 0:52:25.920
<v Speaker 1>And but my I have a really really amazing close following,

0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:27.799
<v Speaker 1>like of like the followers that I have, Like I'm

0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:29.680
<v Speaker 1>very close to my following. You have a really private

0:52:29.719 --> 0:52:32.480
<v Speaker 1>fan club that like gets together for like Thanksgiving and

0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:36.240
<v Speaker 1>like it's it's it's really special to me, and they

0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:38.880
<v Speaker 1>the cool kids have been asking for these.

0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Five songs for the last couple of years all the time.

0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:43.759
<v Speaker 1>So I thought I'm going to put together since your

0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:47.480
<v Speaker 1>project of Ali because the single world is always chasing

0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:50.480
<v Speaker 1>you know what, represents me as a commercial artist, like

0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:51.719
<v Speaker 1>it always has been, always will be.

0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:53.160
<v Speaker 2>It's how it's structured to do that.

0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:56.120
<v Speaker 1>And so if there was a single from this, it

0:52:56.160 --> 0:52:57.839
<v Speaker 1>was Grass and the Grave, and we released that as

0:52:57.840 --> 0:53:02.160
<v Speaker 1>a single before it came out. But yeah, they're not

0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.920
<v Speaker 1>they're not supposed to go together. And then also Household

0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:07.359
<v Speaker 1>Name was something that I was never gonna be too

0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:09.879
<v Speaker 1>confident about releasing as a single because I didn't want

0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:11.799
<v Speaker 1>all the attention to be on Household Name. I wanted

0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:14.080
<v Speaker 1>to be a part of a project, and a sincere

0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:17.000
<v Speaker 1>project did that. So Household Name made it on this one,

0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:18.440
<v Speaker 1>which was one that I wasn't sure if I was

0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:21.440
<v Speaker 1>ever going to share with anybody, And it's one of

0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:24.160
<v Speaker 1>my favorite songs on there only because it's sonically achieves

0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:25.040
<v Speaker 1>everything I've wanted to.

0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:26.200
<v Speaker 2>It's like the.

0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:29.439
<v Speaker 1>Thunder rolls of Amy Lee in Three Days Grace, which

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:35.080
<v Speaker 1>is like my favorite thing on the plane. Am Yes, Yeah,

0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:38.879
<v Speaker 1>I listened to forty seven minutes of thunder pre roll

0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:42.560
<v Speaker 1>to pick the probably second and a half of thunder

0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:43.560
<v Speaker 1>that's in Household Name.

0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:44.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm so proud of that.

0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:48.240
<v Speaker 1>I picked under a pre roll just searching thunder sounds

0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:51.160
<v Speaker 1>and just listening to everyone because I needed the perfect

0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:54.520
<v Speaker 1>thunder crash, like I needed the perfect thunder that would

0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:57.200
<v Speaker 1>have been in thunder Rolls but wasn't and would represent

0:53:57.200 --> 0:53:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Allie and I picked it out. I was so proud

0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:02.520
<v Speaker 1>of it. So I had a lot of fun creating

0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:05.400
<v Speaker 1>this project. But it's not for I don't feel like

0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:08.239
<v Speaker 1>it's for commercial listeners. I feel like it's for the

0:54:08.239 --> 0:54:13.000
<v Speaker 1>people that care about Ali and represents exactly what our

0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:14.920
<v Speaker 1>next chapter of music commercially is going to be.

0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:18.000
<v Speaker 4>Then do this for me as we end, because I

0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:20.799
<v Speaker 4>want to play on the National Accuntdown show Grass on

0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:23.520
<v Speaker 4>the Grave, So I was like a good SoundBite, So

0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:25.520
<v Speaker 4>just tell me what the song's about, so then I

0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:26.640
<v Speaker 4>don't have to edit anything together.

0:54:27.160 --> 0:54:29.600
<v Speaker 3>I can just play this clip. Of course, go ahead.

0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Grass and the Grave is just a song for you

0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:36.560
<v Speaker 1>to grieve all of your plants, whatever they are.

0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:38.760
<v Speaker 2>For me, it was a relationship. It was an entire future.

0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:42.160
<v Speaker 2>It was a marriage. For some people, it.

0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Was a vacation in twenty twenty that they budgeted for

0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:47.120
<v Speaker 1>three years that they never got to take. For some

0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:49.759
<v Speaker 1>people with fertility. For some people, it's all of these

0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:51.920
<v Speaker 1>different things. And Grass and the grave. It's just a

0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:54.799
<v Speaker 1>real cool sonic song that isn't supposed to be too heavy,

0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:57.080
<v Speaker 1>isn't supposed to be too hard. It just allows you

0:54:57.120 --> 0:54:59.880
<v Speaker 1>three minutes of absolute frustration of what something was supposed

0:54:59.880 --> 0:55:02.319
<v Speaker 1>to be. But you're still going to be okay because

0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:03.279
<v Speaker 1>there's grass in the grave.

0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:04.920
<v Speaker 3>You know that.

0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:06.879
<v Speaker 4>Except you had no choice but to nail it because

0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:09.719
<v Speaker 4>it's your story. You really couldn't have not nailed it.

0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:10.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:12.759
<v Speaker 2>Would you have been like, do it? Reframe it?

0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:14.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'd give us a reframe? Yeah? Can you?

0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Can you say it again? But better?

0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:20.000
<v Speaker 3>You're extremely magnetic as a person.

0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Are my magnets on the right side?

0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:25.680
<v Speaker 3>Doesn't matter it does.

0:55:25.800 --> 0:55:27.600
<v Speaker 2>One will push you away and one will drag in.

0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:30.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but what pushes someone away?

0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:32.799
<v Speaker 2>Have you seen that? My therapist did that with me

0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:33.440
<v Speaker 2>with magnets.

0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:37.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I just don't I temporarily would push someone away.

0:55:38.360 --> 0:55:41.280
<v Speaker 3>I think we probably all are magnets. All change.

0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:43.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I think I've been pushed away by certain

0:55:43.680 --> 0:55:46.480
<v Speaker 4>magnets that later I've realized, Oh, I shouldn't have been

0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:48.920
<v Speaker 4>pushed away at all. I should have actually, But that's

0:55:48.960 --> 0:55:51.480
<v Speaker 4>what probably pushed me away was feeling so uncomfortable that

0:55:51.520 --> 0:55:52.839
<v Speaker 4>I wanted to be drawn so.

0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Quick give on polarities crazy.

0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:57.200
<v Speaker 3>I've spent a lot of money in therapy.

0:55:57.840 --> 0:55:59.720
<v Speaker 2>I haven't portocols completely.

0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:02.520
<v Speaker 3>Free good for you and good for everybody.

0:56:02.160 --> 0:56:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Who feel like it'd be free for you also, but yeah.

0:56:05.800 --> 0:56:07.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. They think I'm an artist enough. And

0:56:08.040 --> 0:56:09.759
<v Speaker 3>also I like my therapist to be really close to

0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:10.200
<v Speaker 3>my house.

0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:13.320
<v Speaker 4>So I actually I go to a My wife and

0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:16.359
<v Speaker 4>I go to therapy every two weeks. We've been going

0:56:16.400 --> 0:56:18.160
<v Speaker 4>since before we got well, I guess right when we

0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:18.680
<v Speaker 4>got married.

0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:19.360
<v Speaker 2>That's hot.

0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:22.880
<v Speaker 4>It's awesome, except it's not like it's hard. Oh yeah, no,

0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:26.680
<v Speaker 4>for sure, it's hot, but it has I think for

0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:27.000
<v Speaker 4>me the.

0:56:26.960 --> 0:56:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Part it is hot, and you can quote me on that.

0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:32.919
<v Speaker 4>I don't know that I will, but I will say

0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:42.320
<v Speaker 4>that it has allowed me to live in an uncomfortable

0:56:42.680 --> 0:56:45.520
<v Speaker 4>moment with my wife. And I never really had a

0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:49.360
<v Speaker 4>relationship that was intimate where it I just thought everything

0:56:49.360 --> 0:56:50.920
<v Speaker 4>intimate had to be perfect.

0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:54.280
<v Speaker 1>No feeling uncomfortable and feeling safe at the same time.

0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:57.360
<v Speaker 4>That's crazy, and for me, that has been the most

0:56:57.360 --> 0:57:00.239
<v Speaker 4>growth I've had is that it's okay for to be

0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:02.919
<v Speaker 4>comfortable and uncomfortable and to live in it. Yeah, because

0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:04.720
<v Speaker 4>that's what happens with normal humans. I didn't have normal

0:57:04.760 --> 0:57:06.719
<v Speaker 4>human relationships, so I didn't know. I thought every time

0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:09.759
<v Speaker 4>we fought, she hates me, it's over.

0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:11.680
<v Speaker 1>No. The only time I could get you to talk

0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:13.560
<v Speaker 1>about anything personal last time was if it was about you.

0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:14.000
<v Speaker 2>And your dogs.

0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:17.080
<v Speaker 4>That's about it. And now it's a bit different. Yeah,

0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:20.160
<v Speaker 4>so we I've been able to grow in that a lot.

0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:20.760
<v Speaker 3>And then my.

0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:22.760
<v Speaker 4>Personal I go every other week to my own as well.

0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:25.680
<v Speaker 4>He's a psychiatrist and he can give medicine. Hell yeah,

0:57:25.720 --> 0:57:27.240
<v Speaker 4>and I took a bunch of OCD medicine. I was

0:57:27.280 --> 0:57:29.360
<v Speaker 4>on for a long time because I sometimes I get way,

0:57:29.400 --> 0:57:30.920
<v Speaker 4>way way obsessed with things.

0:57:31.320 --> 0:57:34.439
<v Speaker 3>I like, thirty pounds. I need to help it all. Yeah,

0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:35.400
<v Speaker 3>I put on thirty pounds.

0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:38.000
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm just like, I'd rather be focused and not

0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:40.520
<v Speaker 4>I have to buy new clothes. I was having to

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:42.360
<v Speaker 4>buy pants, and I was like, what's happening right now?

0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:43.760
<v Speaker 4>My wife was like, did you check your medicine?

0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Scary?

0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's scary. And the medicine is like you will

0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:47.760
<v Speaker 3>gain three pounds a month or whatever it was, and

0:57:47.760 --> 0:57:48.960
<v Speaker 3>I was like, how did I know this?

0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:51.040
<v Speaker 2>So he's something else for you to be OCD about.

0:57:51.040 --> 0:57:53.120
<v Speaker 4>That's great, exactly. Now I'm OCD about not being on

0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:56.080
<v Speaker 4>OCD medicine. So yeah, it's been a big part of

0:57:56.120 --> 0:57:58.320
<v Speaker 4>my life. I'm glad to hear that you're so open

0:57:58.360 --> 0:58:00.040
<v Speaker 4>about it as well, because I think people need to

0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:04.240
<v Speaker 4>hear people talking about the benefits of it and not

0:58:04.360 --> 0:58:05.280
<v Speaker 4>the stigma of it.

0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's incredible. Yeah, it's absolutely so.

0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:09.840
<v Speaker 4>I appreciate you being so open about it and talking

0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:12.720
<v Speaker 4>about it than you and you got the good magnets.

0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:15.560
<v Speaker 4>You're north, I'm south right now we're drawn. You're very magnetic.

0:58:16.160 --> 0:58:18.320
<v Speaker 4>You guys can follow Ali. We put all of our

0:58:18.360 --> 0:58:21.600
<v Speaker 4>information down Ali's information down below, and we talked about

0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:23.640
<v Speaker 4>it before she got here, So nothing has changed since

0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:26.600
<v Speaker 4>we spoke before Ali got here, at least I don't

0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:27.400
<v Speaker 4>think so, right, Mike.

0:58:27.720 --> 0:58:28.280
<v Speaker 3>I'll still clear.

0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:32.680
<v Speaker 4>Ali great to see as always, and congratulations on the record.

0:58:32.840 --> 0:58:36.360
<v Speaker 4>And now it all makes sense, but nothing ever makes

0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:39.200
<v Speaker 4>fully sense. And if it does start to make sense,

0:58:39.440 --> 0:58:40.880
<v Speaker 4>then you don't actually understand it.

0:58:41.440 --> 0:58:42.200
<v Speaker 3>You can quote me on that.

0:58:42.640 --> 0:58:43.320
<v Speaker 2>I probably will.

0:58:43.720 --> 0:58:45.000
<v Speaker 4>No way you can remember that because I don't even

0:58:45.000 --> 0:58:46.640
<v Speaker 4>rememb I just said, all right, that's it, Thank you

0:58:47.640 --> 0:58:50.120
<v Speaker 5>Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.