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Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm

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Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky.

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 1: When Norman Baker arrived in Eureka Springs, Arkansas in nineteen

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Speaker 1: to cancer. His methods, he claimed, combined with the power

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Speaker 1: of the healing springs in the area, would be potent

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Speaker 1: medicine against the disease. Ailing patients flocked to the town

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Speaker 1: deep in the Ozark Mountains seeking treatment at the Baker

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Speaker 1: Cancer Curing Hospital. Many were removed under the cover of night,

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Speaker 1: having succumbed to their illnesses, with Baker trying to hide

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Speaker 1: their deaths and obscure the fact that his treatments were

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Speaker 1: no more than smoke and mirrors. After Baker was run

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Speaker 1: out of town as a fraud in a huckster, the building,

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Speaker 1: which had been previously known as the Crescent Hotel and Spa,

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Speaker 1: fell into disrepair, sitting abandoned for years. Eventually it was

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Speaker 1: purchased by a hotel group and revived to its former

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Speaker 1: glory as a Victorian era escaped for the well to

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Speaker 1: Do in nineteen ninety seven, during renovations of the property,

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Speaker 1: workers found a bizarre discovery in the woods behind the hotel.

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Speaker 1: They unearthed a glass jar with a mystery object inside.

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Speaker 1: Local authorities determined that it was a cancerous tumor preserved

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Speaker 1: in alcohol, one of the very specimens that Norman Baker

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Speaker 1: had used as evidence of the efficacy of his miracle cure. Eventually,

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Speaker 1: more than four hundred jars and bottles were brought to light.

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Speaker 1: What workers had discovered was the dump site for what

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Speaker 1: Baker presented as evidence of his success, but was really

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Speaker 1: just one more way he was hiding the truth about

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Speaker 1: his deceptive practices, robbing desperate people of their money, their hope,

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Speaker 1: and eventually their lives. Is it any wonder the Crescent

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Speaker 1: Hotel is one of the most haunted places in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Amy Bruney, and this is haunted road. Long before

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Speaker 1: European settlers colonized the area, the Native American Osage tribe

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Speaker 1: talked of a great healing spring in what is now

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Speaker 1: northern Arkansas. When Europeans arrived, the indigenous peoples are believed

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Speaker 1: to have shared their knowledge of the spring, having frequented

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Speaker 1: the water for its healing properties. In eighteen fifty six,

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Speaker 1: doctor Alva Jackson, a man later referred to as a

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Speaker 1: backwoods pseudo healer, came upon the waters in an unincorporated

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Speaker 1: part of what had lately become Carroll County, Arkansas. He

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Speaker 1: only local until eighteen seventy nine. Then Jackson brought to

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Speaker 1: the spring a prominent local man, Judge LEVI Saunders, who

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Speaker 1: presided over the Carroll County courts. Judge Saunders had a

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Speaker 1: disease of the legs and bathed them in the waters

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Speaker 1: during a hunting trip. When the man was healed of

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Speaker 1: his affliction, words spread quickly. People came to the area

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Speaker 1: in droves, hoping to be cured. Soon, Sonders set up

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Speaker 1: camp in the area, followed by a handful of other families.

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Speaker 1: According to the Encyclopedia of Arkansas, it was the judge's son,

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Speaker 1: Buck Saunders, who suggested the name Eureka Springs, after the

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Speaker 1: phrase Ponce de Leon is said to have exclaimed when

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Speaker 1: he allegedly found the Fountain of Youth, which if you've

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Speaker 1: been listening for a while you know is in Saint Augustine, Florida.

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Speaker 1: Saunders built the first house in Eureka's springs, and the

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Speaker 1: town was formerly founded on July fourth, eighteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 1: Shortly after came a general store and a hotel, and

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Speaker 1: droves of people building flimsy wooden shacks near the town's

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Speaker 1: sixty two different springs. The cheap wooden structures were especially

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Speaker 1: between eight eighteen eighty three and eighteen ninety three. Still,

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Speaker 1: the area developed quickly, boosted by the Eureka Improvement Company

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Speaker 1: founded by former Arkansas Governor Powell Clayton. During this time,

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Speaker 1: the Industrial Revolution was growing cities, but also turning them

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Speaker 1: dirtier and grittier than they had been before, bringing sickness

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Speaker 1: and disease. Along with development, Victorian era people with expendable

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Speaker 1: Popular was hydrotherapy, a water cure that purported to improve

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Speaker 1: healing waters. Today it's considered an alternative therapy. Then it

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Speaker 1: hydrotherapy practitioners openly speaking against conventional medical practices. Eureka Springs

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Speaker 1: appealed to affluent track as a natural reprieve from city life,

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Speaker 1: but also as a method of connecting to nature to

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Speaker 1: citizens at the epicenter of development, returning to the natural

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Speaker 1: in times of sickness suddenly made sense. An eighteen eighty

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Speaker 1: one Eureka Springs promotional pamphlet declared, certain diseases known as

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Speaker 1: general health was so marked that invalids jumped at the

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Speaker 1: knew that money and renown would only come from attracting

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Speaker 1: called the Crescent Hotel and Spa, which opened in eighteen

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Speaker 1: The Crescent enjoyed a prosperous beginning as a year round hotel,

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Speaker 1: nineteen oh eight. For the other three seasons, the hotel

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Speaker 1: became the Crescent College and Conservatory for Young Women, an

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Speaker 1: academy for affluent girls. Tuition was high, and during the

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Speaker 1: Great Depression the college shuttered. The hotel limped along as

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Speaker 1: another decade. Another issue arose around the time of the depression.

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Speaker 1: Cases of typhoid were linked to three of Eureka Spring's waters.

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Speaker 1: Not only did this bode poorly for resort goers, it

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Speaker 1: also put a shadow on the town built on healing.

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Speaker 1: As historian doctor Timothy Covalchik notes, talk of death in

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Speaker 1: the healing town was almost non existent. Perhaps because the

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Speaker 1: town's economy was so closely tied to its reputation, people

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Speaker 1: Certainly at the Crescent, the future held more of that darkness.

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Speaker 1: There were also two tragic deaths at the Crescent in

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Speaker 1: its early years. During its construction, Michael, an Irish Stonemason

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Speaker 1: two eighteen would later be. During the college years, a

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Speaker 1: It only makes sense that when Norman Baker came swooping

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Speaker 1: a dark past? As you might guess, things got ugly fast.

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Speaker 1: A vaudeville performer turned inventor, Baker made his fortune by

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Speaker 1: owning the second largest radio station in North America, a

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Speaker 1: At his Baker Institute, which he opened in Iowa. He

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Speaker 1: According to the book Border Radio by Jean Fowler and

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Speaker 1: that contaminated town drinking fountains with blood. The hospital began

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Speaker 1: were similarly discharged from the Palace of Healing. Baker claimed

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Speaker 1: renamed the Baker Cancer Curing Hospital. He painted much of

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Speaker 1: Baker also installed one of his inventions, a caliophone, which

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Speaker 1: Baker advertised secret remedies based on the work of two

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Speaker 1: after patients died in droves, he would inject those remedies,

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Speaker 1: But not everyone in town loved Norman Baker. A well

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Speaker 1: Archaeological Survey matched them up to specimens Baker had used

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Speaker 3: I have been there just about four years now and

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Speaker 1: Now you say you work in the day's spa. It's

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it wasn't that long ago that I was coming

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Speaker 1: Well, I think there's something to be said for the

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Speaker 1: Well absolutely, like we don't. I try to kind of

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Speaker 2: Of justify it. Right, so you know, you had it,

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Speaker 1: Now, do you have any idea who she might be?

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Speaker 3: with us. But it's almost hard to pitpoint. I find

433
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: when I'm investigating a lot of times I can't rely

434
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: that there's only one person trying to come through that

435
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 3: we get several coming through. So it's hard to pinpoint

436
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 3: names and things like that. But yeah, but she looks

437
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: like she's kind of from the Victorian times, from the pictures.

438
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 3: She wears a little dress and has her hair kind

439
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 3: of curled in that, you know, same kind of way,

440
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 3: or maybe shortly after in the twenties, But she is

441
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 3: not of this time, that's for sure.

442
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: No, And yeah, no, that doesn't sound yo, So do

443
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: you What would you think is maybe kind of the

444
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: more common types of activity that people encounter at the hotel.

445
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: More commonly, you know, in their rooms, they will get

446
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 3: woken or poked. We have one particular spirit named Michael

447
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 3: who's particularly roguish, and women will say that he strokes

448
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 3: their hair or will tickle them, or or open the

449
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: bathroom door on them while they're in there. You know,

450
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 3: things like that become kind of calmon occurrences.

451
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: And also another one.

452
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: Of our really most felt experience or I should say

453
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 3: smelled experiences is doctor Ellis was a doctor there. He

454
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: was the hotel physician, and they smell his cherry tobacco

455
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: down the hallways in the lobby. And usually when I

456
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 3: tell the story, like half of my tour was like,

457
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I smelled it earlier. Oh my gosh,

458
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 3: I smelled it, you know, two days ago. And it

459
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 3: doesn't happen all the time. We can't smoke in the hotel.

460
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 3: Cherry tobacco is not something that is very popular right now,

461
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: so it becomes something that you go, huh, okay.

462
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: But that's one that I hear quite often.

463
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: Now. I understand, like the hotel history is kind of dark,

464
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: you know, it's definitely different. Uh, But from what I've heard,

465
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily have a heavy feeling to it.

466
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: Is that? Yeah?

467
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: And why do you think that is?

468
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 3: I actually think, you know, the dark part of our

469
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 3: history was so short, you know, Norman Baker being there

470
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: and running it as a cancer hospital was only about

471
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 3: two years of our existence. But most of the time

472
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 3: it was a place of celebration. It was a place

473
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: that the wealthy folks went to vacation and they didn't

474
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: have as many promblems as some of the less fortunates.

475
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 3: And also I think that our spirits are friendly as

476
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: far as you know. They're not negative entities. They had

477
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 3: an unfortunate passing, and they're just trying to connect with somebody,

478
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 3: And so if they were to try to scare us off,

479
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 3: I don't know that everybody would want to connect, but

480
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 3: I do think it's mostly and I'm not saying there

481
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: aren't a couple of negative energies in the hotel, but

482
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: for the most part, people's spirit experiences become almost comical

483
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: or like trickery, you know, and not necessarily that scary

484
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: kind of spirit experience. For instance, I had a guest

485
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 3: that had told me they brewed coffee in the morning,

486
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: and the coffee pot you can't see through, so she

487
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 3: figured it brewed. She went to pour it and there

488
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: was nothing in there. And then a couple hours later,

489
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 3: underneath the coffee pot there's a drawer that it was

490
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: sitting on, and the.

491
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: Coffee ended up in the drawer. Not scary, just.

492
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 3: Letting them know in that way that is unmistakable that

493
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 3: something crazy happened here and.

494
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: It was not human done, you know, right exactly.

495
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: And that's so I feel like I investigate many hotels

496
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: that kind of have that same vibe. And I know

497
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: a lot of us have speculated that perhaps spirits have

498
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: had great, you know, memories there and they're coming back

499
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,239
Speaker 1: for some reason, like something profound happened to them, or

500
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: they vacation there. And so you do have these kind

501
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: of spirits that make themselves known, but they're not necessarily

502
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: doing anything harmful. Ohka, now, USA, say you had a

503
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: couple that might make themselves done and more of it.

504
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to say negative, but maybe anymore mischievous way.

505
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: What kind of interactions do those ones pose?

506
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: Mostly it's a sadness above anything else. When I say negative,

507
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: I don't even mean like mean or hateful. Uh. It

508
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 3: really is this sadness that comes over people when they're

509
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: in our morgue area where they used to keep the bodies,

510
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 3: or in the area where he used to keep in

511
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: the We call it the pain Asylum. But this place

512
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: that he used to keep people, well, they were very

513
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: sick because it wasn't good for his business to see

514
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: people dying of cancer. And you feel a real heaviness.

515
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 3: Sometimes people feel the pain in their stomach. We had

516
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: a medium ount not that long ago, and I can't

517
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: be in there myself. I get the same pain, and

518
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 3: I'm not very sensitive myself, but can a firm that

519
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: that was something that she was feeling and thought it

520
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: was spirit connected. I've had people burst into tears as

521
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: we get into the Morgue area that are like, I'm

522
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: not a crier, and as they're like, you know, pouring

523
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: tears on their eyes. I just had somebody do it

524
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 3: the other night. So those are the things that I

525
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: find to be more negative. No, nothing's super harmful. It

526
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: just doesn't make you feel real good, you know, right.

527
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of the classic almost unfinished business.

528
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: You know, this is kind of a very strange set

529
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: of circumstances where you have people who are terminally ill

530
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: and it's kind of being hidden in a way. Yeah,

531
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: and like what does what imprint does that leave?

532
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 3: Well?

533
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: Even oh sorry, go ahead, no, go ahead, you know

534
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: that I do so.

535
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: And not only that, but like Norman Baker when he

536
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: was telling them that they're you know, they needed to

537
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: go back to the asylum because the asylum or sanitary,

538
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: and you want to go get healthy to be sick.

539
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: Part of his treatment was mental therapeutics, and he was

540
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 3: very much putting it on them like you're not doing

541
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 3: this properly or you would be healed. So they also

542
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: felt I think a level of guilt or like I

543
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: can feel that sometimes in the hotel, like I didn't

544
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: do enough for myself, when actually it was not something

545
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 3: that they could have done for themselves. They were kind

546
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: of being swindled into thinking this would work.

547
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I can't even imagine like a their mindset,

548
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: but be like what that leaves behind rights? Yeah, so

549
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: many spirits we encounter. It is, you know, they there's

550
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: something that is keeping them there. There's something that they

551
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: either feel guilty about, or there's something that they a

552
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: message they want to get across. And I can't imagine

553
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: being in that place where you're basically being told you're

554
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: dying because you're not.

555
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 3: Doing good enough exactly, And then how do you handle that?

556
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: And when they finally pass, of course they feel like

557
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: they could have probably done more, or they should have

558
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: done something different, or you know, their families weren't ready

559
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: for them to go and they just can't cross over.

560
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: I mean, all those kinds of things come into play.

561
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 3: But again it's it's kind of specific areas in the

562
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: hotel and that most of it like you said, is

563
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: pretty lighthearted connecting. I'd also tell you that they miss people.

564
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: In the wintertime, when we do get a little bit slow,

565
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: they're not as active, you know, because there's not people

566
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: around to interact with. And we do something in the

567
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: wintertime called Eurekas brings paranormal weekends and we open all

568
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: our haunted rooms. We hunt them for a couple of

569
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: days and it's like a convention. But you can feel

570
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: the buzz in the hotel when they It's like they

571
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: know it's coming, and you can find the energy rise

572
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: up and things start to happen around us, and then

573
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 3: we're like, oh my god, they know the people are

574
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: coming to see them.

575
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: It's a really.

576
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: Crazy feeling to know that some of them are looking

577
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: not all of them, but some of them are looking

578
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: forward to that connection with people again that they haven't

579
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 3: had in a.

580
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: Month or so. You know.

581
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: Well, I think we really experienced that during kind of

582
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: the height of the pandemic when some of these places

583
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: were closed.

584
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure you were to.

585
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: And I felt like some of these entities were kind

586
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: of like what is going on? Where are my people exactly?

587
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: And when we would come back and investigate places, they

588
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: were so eager to interact, Like, you know, I don't

589
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: think we realize how much they kind of either look

590
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: forward to or just even rely on us to keep

591
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: them kind of engaged. Absolutely, Now, how many people visit

592
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: the hotel and just have no idea of its reputation?

593
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: Like I feel like it's like everyone should know that

594
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: it's haunted. But do you ever if people just come in

595
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: and are just completely surprised by this fact.

596
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 3: Yes, And I'm always surprised that they're surprised because it's

597
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: all over the place. It's really hard to avoid.

598
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: If you have not googled us one time, you know,

599
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: you must have not known.

600
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: But we still do get people that don't know that

601
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: place is haunted, and some of them are comfortable with it,

602
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: some of them are not. I always just try to,

603
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: you know, let them know. In my experience that most

604
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 3: spirits are people, and most people are not bad people.

605
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: Maybe they're not as friendly or maybe they're more friendly,

606
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: but they are just people in that it's nothing to

607
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: be afraid of, you know.

608
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: But it does happen sometimes.

609
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think humanizing them is very important, you know,

610
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: it's I think a lot of the things that spirits

611
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: do Uh, if you actually like saw a living person

612
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: doing it, most of the time, it would not be

613
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: that crazy, right, although sometimes right right, right, But most

614
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: of the.

615
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: Time they're just doing these daily you know things, or

616
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: again just trying to connect, not trying to scare you

617
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: away or get.

618
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: You out of their space.

619
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: You know. Right now, are there apparitions seen at the hotel?

620
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: There is, I know, the little girl, but is there

621
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: anyone else that people might stumble upon?

622
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: Becky is one of our most seen I think spirits.

623
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: He's a little boy that was there during the college

624
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 3: days and he seems to be very I mean, he

625
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: seems to connect with the children, and we get a

626
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: lot of families in so that's one that they because

627
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 3: these kids, gosh, they're so much more open than we are.

628
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: They don't doubt themselves. I definitely saw a little boy

629
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: right there, and he wasn't one of us, you know,

630
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: So I think he's one of our most seen spirit

631
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 3: by eyeball. Everything else can kind of be felt. Pictures

632
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: are taken in reflections, but he seems to be pretty

633
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: well interacting with people on the regular.

634
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: So mm hmm.

635
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: And then now, what about like shadow figures, shadow figures,

636
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: we do have one.

637
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: I would say actually in the morgue area, which is

638
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 3: connected to the laundry room and all that stuff. But

639
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: he whatever that I say, it's a heat. I don't

640
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: know for sure, but whatever the shadow figure is will

641
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 3: peek around the corner. Now, when we take a tour

642
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: down there, it's a private tour, you know, only ticketed

643
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: people can be down there, and it's gotten every guide

644
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 3: at least one time where it looks like some of

645
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: the peaks around the corner or shadow does and we

646
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: go to kick somebody out of the area.

647
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: And there's nobody there.

648
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: And I don't think that that's actually related to Norman

649
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: Baker at all. I think that was a little bit

650
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: later on. But that shadow figure, the person is very

651
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: tall and leans around corners all over that place.

652
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, now when you started, did you start in

653
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: the spa first or.

654
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: Were you a child?

655
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 3: I actually started in the day Spa, and I was

656
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: there first for about a year before I started doing

657
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 3: the tours. But you know, the activity was always there,

658
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,959
Speaker 3: you knew it was there. And then when I started

659
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: doing the tours, you know, I really got involved in

660
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 3: the paranormal investigating side. And you you're I'm always surprised

661
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: at what kind of activity we can get.

662
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so was there a point where you kind of went, oh,

663
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: there's something to this, Like you started in a spot,

664
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: did you have an experience or an epiphany like, oh,

665
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: this place is definitely haunted that made you kind of

666
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: want to be more interested in maybe get involved in

667
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: the paranormal side.

668
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 3: It was kind of interested in it from the beginning,

669
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 3: I would say, interested in that kind of stuff. But

670
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: I would say the most poignant moment for me was

671
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: and also seeing how commonplace it was. We were cleaning

672
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 3: up the day spa, and of course that's what we

673
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: do when we're not busy as we clean and there

674
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: was a glass cleaner on the counter and it moved

675
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: over all by itself and one of the girls jump back,

676
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 3: put her hands up and said, today, boy, I'll see that.

677
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: And one girl said yes and three of us said no,

678
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: and then we just went back to cleaning. And I

679
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: was like, really, okay, well that's how common this stuff

680
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 3: is and again.

681
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: Not harmful, just moved it over. We all went okay,

682
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: we saw that, and then we moved on with our lives.

683
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, it's funny, like you're just like, this

684
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: is what happens here here, and everybody.

685
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 3: Were like, Okay, that's just the way it is around here.

686
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: But again, nobody seems afraid. I have very sensitive friends

687
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: that work with me in the day spa and they

688
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: still continue to work there, which says something about, you know,

689
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: our spirit activity not being threatening. But that was one

690
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: of those moments where I was like, boy, this is

691
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 3: a little bit more common than I thought. But you

692
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: can feel the energy as soon as you walk it.

693
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: I would say, as soon as you drive onto the property,

694
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 3: you just know you're someplace really special that has something

695
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: above and beyond your hotel experience.

696
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Speaker 1: Now, what do you think lends to that? Do you

697
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: think it's just because it's the hotel itself? Do you

698
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: think it's something environmental? Like, why do you think this

699
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: has become such a haunted.

700
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: Well, I definitely think the limestone has a lot to

701
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: do with it. You know, we do find I'm to

702
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: understand that the water running over limestone makes electromagnetic forces

703
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: that they're measurable. It's creating energy, and so we do

704
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: see that in the you know, the limestone walls. When

705
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 3: it rains down those walls, there is an energy that

706
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 3: can be picked up and the spirits are way more active.

707
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: We have these limestone.

708
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: Quarries in town where everything was locally limestone deposits where

709
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: things were locally quarried from, and they're still free flowing

710
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: springs going through those. And also remembering that there's places

711
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 3: all over the world with high concentrations of limestone that

712
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: talk about the same things that we do, you know,

713
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: religious places, sacred places, healing waters. Is not that weird

714
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 3: that this combination of different kinds of stone and these

715
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: waters going through kind of help out the spirit activity.

716
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: I would think right makes sense.

717
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: Now, So if someone's going to visit the hotel and

718
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: they would like to have an interaction on a paranormal level,

719
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: like do you have any recommendations for them? Where should

720
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: they go, what should they do, how should they apply?

721
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: I really think the best way to do it is

722
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: to keep an open mind. I always like to tell

723
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 3: people to introduce yourself, let them know that you're open

724
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 3: to activity, that you're not afraid to connect with them.

725
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 3: And of course we have specific counted rooms that are

726
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: more active than others, and all that means it's not

727
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: that the other rooms are not active as well, but

728
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: that it's more consistently active.

729
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: And I was just going to ask that any rooms

730
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: that people should go or we.

731
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: Have we have five five rooms. I'm gonna get this wrong, but.

732
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: There there is for nineteen we have two, eighteen, two, twelve,

733
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: one oh one, and then the North Penthouse, which is

734
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: the five is five oh two, but that's Norman Baker's

735
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: suite as well. So we have quite a few rooms

736
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 3: that are are more active than others. I would say,

737
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: more consistently active.

738
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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, if someone is there and they're experiencing paranormal

739
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: activity and they don't necessarily want to, what is your advice.

740
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: My advice to them would be keep calm and relax,

741
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: you know, don't overthink it because a lot of times

742
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: it's not spirit activity. You know, it is just somebody.

743
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: Because we are haunted. Unfortunately, people like to add to

744
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: the experience. They'll come by and knock on your door,

745
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: or they will make woo sounds outside and uh because

746
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: it is a beautiful place to be. But also in

747
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 3: that same way, just letting the spirits know I am

748
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: not cool with this. So if we can just keep

749
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: it to a minimum. I always say that talking out

750
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 3: loud to spirits is the best way to get through,

751
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 3: you know, because they are listening, you know. And whether

752
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 3: that will make them not mess with you or make

753
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: them mess with you more, I'm not sure. But I

754
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: do find the non believers get that activity just to

755
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 3: like so they could prove.

756
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: That they're there.

757
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: So maybe just being friendly and open and also letting

758
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 3: them know that I really want to have a good

759
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 3: night's sleep tonight.

760
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: If we could just keep it to them be great. Exactly.

761
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: That's the same advice I give people. And I'm always like,

762
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: if you're that worried about it, you better bring sleeping spear,

763
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: blood fear blogs and and good night.

764
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: Trying to take a little melantonin to up your so

765
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: but really, again, it's not supposed to be scary and uh.

766
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: And again for those people that have come to the

767
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 3: hotel and been either scared or non believers, you know,

768
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: they still left with a great experience and and wanted

769
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: to still come back.

770
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, that's great. So if people do want

771
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: to visit, obviously they can book a room or whatever.

772
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: But if they want to do a ghost tour, if

773
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: they want to do investigating, what do they do?

774
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: We actually have reserve Eureka dot com, which is a website.

775
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: You go on there and you can buy tickets for

776
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 3: the ghost tour. They run twenty nine fifty per person,

777
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 3: and we will sometimes do up to twelve to thirteen

778
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: ghost tours a night on a weekend night during the

779
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: busy time, so we have plenty of opportunity. We take

780
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 3: about twenty people on each tour, and we tour the

781
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 3: entire hotel, and the only way you can get down

782
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: into the morgue is to take the tour, So that's great.

783
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: Well, I really appreciate you taking the time.

784
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: Thank you telling me I appreciate you.

785
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: I am super curious about the hotel. I've come this

786
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: close so many times to getting there, so I'm going

787
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: to make it happen.

788
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 3: And I come to see you s And I also

789
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: want to say that I'm a big fan of yours

790
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 3: that I appreciate the reality that you bring to ghost investigating.

791
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 3: So I appreciate you guys and your show as well.

792
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you, we appreciate that. Yes, So, Sarah,

793
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: thanks for joining me. I and hope you will meet

794
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: in person very soon.

795
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: Good. Thank you so much.

796
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Speaker 3: Amy.

797
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: The Crescent Hotel has clearly had so much more history

798
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: and happiness in its past than despair. But the despair

799
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: that does exist in its past is intense, more intense

800
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: than most beautiful hotels you'd visit. I really can't think

801
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: of many places that would have that much cause for

802
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: a haunting. Imagine the mindset of someone desperately ill and dying,

803
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: walking through the doors and feeling hope, saying goodbye to

804
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: family members, hoping to return to them, cured, only to

805
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: be carted away in the middle of the night after

806
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: not making it at all, perhaps pieces of them cut

807
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: out and left to rot behind the building. Remember that

808
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: mindset when you visit the Crescent and reach out to

809
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Speaker 1: those spirits there accordingly. I'm Amy Bruney and this was

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Speaker 1: Haunted Road. Haunted Road is hosted and written by me

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Speaker 1: Amy Bruney, with additional research by Taylor Haggerdorn and Cassandra

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