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Speaker 1: Welcome to PM mood, your weekly chance to unwind and

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Speaker 1: hear conversations with your favorite social influencers, authors, artists, activists,

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Speaker 1: thought leaders, celebrities, and more. This week, I'm so excited

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Speaker 1: to welcome to PM mood Nafisa Williams, who is amazing.

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Speaker 1: I have watched several of your interviews as of light

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Speaker 1: thank he stars in Black Lightning, black superhero, black queer superhero. Y'all.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is exciting. So Nafisa, tell me about

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Speaker 1: your character and how you came to understand her and

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Speaker 1: like the importance of this being literally the first black

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Speaker 1: lesbian superhero ever, Like that's a weighty thing to carry,

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Speaker 1: So talk to me about that. When I first read

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Speaker 1: the script and I learned of who she was, I

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Speaker 1: was like, I have to do this. I have to

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Speaker 1: do this. I have to sell this story. I have

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Speaker 1: to show little brown girls that they too can be

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Speaker 1: a superhero, that they too can go into the Halloween

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Speaker 1: store and pick up a costume that looks like them.

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Speaker 1: For young lesbians, young black lesbians in particular, for me

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Speaker 1: to understand that it's okay and it's normal, you know,

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Speaker 1: if that's what you choose. I've had young girls come

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Speaker 1: up to me and say they feel normal after seeing Thunder,

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Speaker 1: and they feel normal being a lesbian after seeing Thunder,

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Speaker 1: And to me, that is the greatest reward that I've

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Speaker 1: gotten from this. I loved her fearlessness. I loved how

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Speaker 1: unapologetically lesbians she is. Those are the things that really

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Speaker 1: just sold me, you know, just how smart and powerful

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Speaker 1: she is and how she never takes no foreign answer.

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Speaker 1: I believe that is the narrative that we need and

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Speaker 1: want our little brown girls to see. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just so crazy to me, Like I'm thinking, like

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Speaker 1: trying to go back in my mind. We you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't have character that really show the fullness still

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, the fullness of the black experience of black families, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: I think that the beautiful thing also about Black Lightning

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Speaker 1: is the black family that is portrayed there. I think

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Speaker 1: that the show is so different in that it's not

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Speaker 1: just kind of like Batmanny. You know, we're in Gotham

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Speaker 1: and everything is kind of fake and exaggerated, Like you're

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Speaker 1: tackling real life issues that we're talking about. You're talking

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Speaker 1: about Black lives matter, you're talking about police brutality, you're

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Speaker 1: talking about the father having to have the talk about

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Speaker 1: you know, the talk right about how you and your

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Speaker 1: sister on the show, how you deal with police, how

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Speaker 1: you have to you know, carry your demeanor. So tell

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Speaker 1: me about like the decisions there in terms of showing

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Speaker 1: that very realness that we're experiencing on a day to

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Speaker 1: day and having it reflect But with this kind of

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Speaker 1: superhero lens, I think that that's what resonates with everybody

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Speaker 1: is that it is a real show. We're not just

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Speaker 1: like fighting some supernatural creatures out of space somewhere. We're

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Speaker 1: literally tackling the issues, all of them that you just mentioned,

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Speaker 1: and they're very important to us. For us who are black,

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Speaker 1: it's very emotional for us so to be able to

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Speaker 1: serve as that outlet and to mirror what's going on.

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Speaker 1: And we don't want to just mirror it. We want

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Speaker 1: to hopefully spark change, and that's what it's about. I

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Speaker 1: love the stories that we tell. That was another reason

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Speaker 1: why I was like, I have to do this show

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Speaker 1: because I'm passionate about telling our stories. I'm passionate about

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Speaker 1: sparking change. I'm passionate about us seeing a black family

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Speaker 1: on TV. You know, what I mean. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: not until you see us fighting crime that you realize

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Speaker 1: as a superhero show. We are just a black family

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Speaker 1: navigating through life, just like all the other families who

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Speaker 1: tune in and watch us. And that's what has been

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Speaker 1: resonating with people. We've been literally pulling incidents, experiences from

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Speaker 1: the media and we're putting them into this show, and

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Speaker 1: that's what makes for I believe, a good show. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that black actors right in general, do you

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Speaker 1: feel a certain responsibility in kind of the roles that

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Speaker 1: you take to be very thoughtful about the representation, the

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Speaker 1: positive representation right or you know, is it like because

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Speaker 1: we still haven't reached a place where we don't have

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Speaker 1: to be perfect, right, Like we still you know, we

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Speaker 1: have some characters right like that are on television. You had,

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Speaker 1: you know, Kerry Washington with scandals showing a different type

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Speaker 1: a different type of black woman, right, Yeah, but far

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Speaker 1: and few between, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Like there are

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Speaker 1: Rainbow on you know, on Tracy, you know, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah, It's like it's like the token. It's

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Speaker 1: like you only can get one or two. And I

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Speaker 1: believe I was just mentioned in this earlier. I believe

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Speaker 1: that in order for us as artists, producers, writers and

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Speaker 1: see change, let's not wait for it to happen. Let's

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Speaker 1: not wait for the handout. Let's not wait for someone

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Speaker 1: to book us or to hire us. It is up

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Speaker 1: to us to create our own narratives. And I believe,

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Speaker 1: not believe, but this is why I love Ray, This

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Speaker 1: is why I love Alan a way, This is why

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Speaker 1: I love the Acials and Abra Duverney and you know,

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Speaker 1: the lists can keep going, but we got to do

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Speaker 1: more of that so that list is endless, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. And I don't think it's about complaining

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Speaker 1: given to us. We're stronger than that, we're more powerful,

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Speaker 1: and we're better than that. We can create our own content.

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Speaker 1: I think that it's important for us to create our

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Speaker 1: own content. I love, you know, the work that Lena

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Speaker 1: Waite has done over the past several years and Ray

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Speaker 1: and being able to go from you know, web series

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Speaker 1: these things, and I think that it's incredibly important. I

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Speaker 1: sat down with a group of showrunners, directors, producers, and

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Speaker 1: I was asking them specifically talking about black LGBTQ representation

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Speaker 1: on television. And I was asking some of them, what

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Speaker 1: are the obstacles that you face when you're creating these characters,

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Speaker 1: And they were telling me that they still get told, no,

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Speaker 1: can the character not be gay? Can we you know,

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Speaker 1: can the character not be black? Even though we've named

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Speaker 1: some of these really great artists that are doing the work,

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Speaker 1: these great content creators. Have you faced as you're moving

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Speaker 1: saying well, we didn't really see this character as being black?

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Speaker 1: Or well we didn't you know, like, what are some

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Speaker 1: people that I talked to still for that representation, I

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Speaker 1: a white counterpart. But I would just have to say, collectively,

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Speaker 1: But I think it's just about we want it to

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Speaker 1: be more diverse. Yeah, in general, like inclusion is everything,

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Speaker 1: representation is everything. I can never say representation matters enough

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Speaker 1: because it does. So it's just being black in Hollywood. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just you know what I mean. It's one of

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Speaker 1: as hell, right, like y'all are like doing the damn thing.

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Speaker 1: But then also I'm just like God, that seems like

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Speaker 1: a struggle. Yeah, you know, it can be. I try

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Speaker 1: to be optimistic about it but also a realist at

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Speaker 1: woke as to what's happening, and the best answer for that,

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Speaker 1: for me is and for us is to take control.

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Speaker 1: I was at my agency ic and we just had

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Speaker 1: a panel and it was for Black History Month. It

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Speaker 1: and admire about ICM is that they put that panel

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Speaker 1: they're holding this discussion and that's what it's about. It

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Speaker 1: is I love that. And my agents are white. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's just how the cookie crumble, right, But it's good

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Speaker 1: for them to want to hear the feedback. It's good

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Speaker 1: for them to want to see, how can we be

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Speaker 1: you guys? What could be different? And like Rihanna said,

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Speaker 1: like tell your team to pull up? Which you do

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Speaker 1: you care as much? Are you fighting for me the

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Speaker 1: way that I would fight for myself? Do you understand

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Speaker 1: by a black person? Are we aware of the challenges

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Speaker 1: all you know, what did I say? I said when

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Speaker 1: that it's not fair. We all can see that this

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Speaker 1: after my other show, Political Show, and she was the

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Speaker 1: I feel like the industry and you tell me, but

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Speaker 1: these sprinkles of folks of folks. Yeah, it's like and

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Speaker 1: I used to have a professor that would say she

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Speaker 1: And when she said that to her mother, her mother

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Speaker 1: I feel like they keep seeing these speckles of pepper

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Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, we're good, token, We're good token.

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Speaker 1: I think it's about the people at the Academy, and

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Speaker 1: it's about the people who are in position in power,

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Speaker 1: in control of the voting system. I think it's about

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Speaker 1: making sure that that's more diverse and hopefully we can

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Speaker 1: see some change there. It cannot be the same people

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Speaker 1: the voting, who are making the major decisions when it

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Speaker 1: comes to these awards ceremonies, into the nominations, We've got

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Speaker 1: to like open it up at some people who are

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Speaker 1: you know, a little younger, who are who the average

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Speaker 1: age of the Academy is sixty tens. What I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to say to you, you need to tell me that

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Speaker 1: is going to relate to a coming of age black

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Speaker 1: that they shouldn't be there because they earned their stripes,

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Speaker 1: you know whatever, But let's make it fair. Let's let's

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Speaker 1: put some people on the panel and on the judging

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Speaker 1: How do I get in the PM mood to change

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Speaker 1: you so much. You gotta me crying girl. Thanks again

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Speaker 1: to Nafisa Williams for joining me on PM Mood while

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Speaker 1: you're home practicing good hygiene, social distancing and more. You

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Speaker 1: can check out Nafisa out as Thunder in Season three

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Speaker 1: of Black Lightning, streaming on Netflix today. As always, if

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Speaker 1: live daily political talk show, Woke, a f daily at

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Speaker 1: DNR Studios. You can subscribe now at www dot DNR

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