WEBVTT - We Are Watching You

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<v Speaker 1>I had a friend come visit me, who I will

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<v Speaker 1>just say worked for one of the alphabet agencies. And

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<v Speaker 1>he came to our house and when my wife was

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<v Speaker 1>out of the room, he took me aside and he said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, do you know that your phone is tapped?

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought, what do you mean? He said, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>there's five or six different wiretaps on this I can tell.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about that somebody's telling you your phone is tapped.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't even shot anything. We're not on the air.

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<v Speaker 2>It's curious about the selection of those four words we

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<v Speaker 2>are watching you. It's not like I'm watching you. It's we,

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<v Speaker 2>which raises a lot of questions. Who is this we?

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<v Speaker 2>Who would that be? I'm Brice Sable. Have you ever

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<v Speaker 2>wondered if there's a secret connection between Hollywood and UFOs?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Brent Friedman. You are listening to Sound, Light

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<v Speaker 1>and Frequency.

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<v Speaker 2>While preparing for this podcast. I've been going through all

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<v Speaker 2>my old files and I've found something.

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<v Speaker 1>And what we have learned is that paranoia strikes deep

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<v Speaker 1>for a very good reason.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing about doing this podcast Sound Light and Frequency

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<v Speaker 2>is that we've relied a lot on using our old

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<v Speaker 2>files and so forth to try to tell the story

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<v Speaker 2>of what happened during Dark Skies from ninety five to

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<v Speaker 2>ninety seven. Anybody who's worked a long time in Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>certainly knows that you collect stuff. You collect scripts, you collect, transcripts,

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<v Speaker 2>show cuts, edits, everything, fan mail, photos, you name it,

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<v Speaker 2>You've got it. I've got boxes and boxes of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going through it, and have been going through

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<v Speaker 2>it since we started. I cannot compete with you, Bryce.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably have exponentially more stuff than I have in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of what you've collected. I started practicing letting go

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<v Speaker 1>about five years ago, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Has been very liberating.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, like I said, I probably have much less than

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<v Speaker 1>you with regards to even Dark Sky's memorabilia.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish you hadn't let go of so many things,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's gold in them there file boxes, Brent, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you something. One of them was, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you let go of it. I cannot imagine

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<v Speaker 2>you would have let go of your magic badge. Now

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<v Speaker 2>you said you did, did you like go of?

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<v Speaker 1>That was not a letting go, That was just a losing.

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<v Speaker 1>That was just a plain old incompetence I had that

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time. It used to be like hung

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<v Speaker 1>up on something in my office as just a reminder

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<v Speaker 1>of how fun those days were. And then it went missing,

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<v Speaker 1>like a number of things in my life, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>never found it. I should probably pay my daughter five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars to go look for it, but honestly, I

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<v Speaker 1>cannot find it anywhere. And it's very upsetting because that

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<v Speaker 1>was the one memento from that party that I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to wear proudly.

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<v Speaker 2>And by magic badge, we mean m ajic is in Majestic,

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<v Speaker 2>MJ Magic twelve, that kind of thing, not magic, m

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<v Speaker 2>a g ic. We gave a badge, as we've said before,

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<v Speaker 2>to everybody at our Dark Sky's premiere party back in

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<v Speaker 2>ninety six, and the only guy that didn't have one

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<v Speaker 2>was JC except I also found out that I had

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<v Speaker 2>misplaced mine. It was driving me nuts, so I started

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<v Speaker 2>going through more boxes and Brent, I have an announcement

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<v Speaker 2>to make Oh no, now I feel I have my

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<v Speaker 2>magic badge. Yep now, and those of you, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>describe it For those of people who are listening to

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<v Speaker 2>us instead of watching this, I think let's start with

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<v Speaker 2>the headline, which is mullet and yeah, that is the

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<v Speaker 2>headline I had an Unfortunately, my kids have never stopped

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<v Speaker 2>teasing me about that, but go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, you look like an operative. You look like

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<v Speaker 1>you could have worked for Majestic in the day in

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<v Speaker 1>that photo.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but it's super cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually looks like it could have been authentic, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is the highest compliment.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish we could remember who exactly designed it, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's cool. Somebody in the art department, I'm sure, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and they did a great little job. And here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>On the back side. It's literally got a thumb print,

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<v Speaker 2>which would have been the way up to id yourself

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<v Speaker 2>back in the sixties when we were saying our series

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<v Speaker 2>took place. Although that is not my thumb print, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just a generic I'm sure it's on everybody's magic badge,

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<v Speaker 2>including yours. Anyway, these things were cool. I'm glad to

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<v Speaker 2>have it back. I actually have a digital copy of yours.

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<v Speaker 2>So our show today will actually have you and me

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<v Speaker 2>side by side brought together again. Butch and Sundi ence

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<v Speaker 2>at the Magic Corral, so that would be good. The

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<v Speaker 2>thing is, we have found something else. It's some physical evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will or at least suggestive of evidence while

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<v Speaker 2>getting ready to do this podcast, and we want to

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<v Speaker 2>bring it to everyone's attention. The thing is, we want

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<v Speaker 2>to do a short amount of setting the timeframe for everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>because when we show you what we have found, it's

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<v Speaker 2>important to know when it came out and what it

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<v Speaker 2>was surrounded by, just to get that party started. Everyone

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<v Speaker 2>by now Brent knows about the Dark Sky's Party, but

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<v Speaker 2>that was September of nineteen ninety six, Okay, but we

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<v Speaker 2>need to roll back to ninety four is when you

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<v Speaker 2>and I met and started talking about Dark Skies. But

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<v Speaker 2>the first real year that we need to say belonged

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<v Speaker 2>to that show is nineteen ninety five, and it started

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<v Speaker 2>in January, on literally January, tewod with the Loan Guard Letter,

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<v Speaker 2>which we talked about in a previous episode, and things

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<v Speaker 2>picked up in intensity. I'm sure you remember all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>But after the Loan Guard Letter, we started doing those

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<v Speaker 2>notebooks for real, and the Loan Guard Letter was in it,

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<v Speaker 2>so was all that other stuff. We started building notebooks,

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<v Speaker 2>and as you said, we went to Kinko's all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>That was fun. The script we had included in that

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<v Speaker 2>notebook an outline of a two hour pilot, but we

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<v Speaker 2>had not written it. We were in March talking about

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<v Speaker 2>picking up Dark Skies to various production companies, and the

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<v Speaker 2>one we settled on was Columbia TV in March, and

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<v Speaker 2>we instantly had them order a script from us. So

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<v Speaker 2>we were working in March in May on the Dark

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<v Speaker 2>Sky's two hour pilot. I bet you remember those days.

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<v Speaker 1>I do, And I want to give a nod to

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<v Speaker 1>our patron saint at Sony, Jeff Sagansky, who I remember

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<v Speaker 1>he apparently bought the show as he stepped off the

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<v Speaker 1>concorde in Paris, he having just read the entire briefing

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<v Speaker 1>book on the flight across the Atlantic. If it weren't

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<v Speaker 1>for him, we wouldn't be telling these stories. And so

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<v Speaker 1>again a nod to Jeff Sagansky, who's been what was

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<v Speaker 1>central to getting this thing off the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>I love hearing that story, and I actually found some

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<v Speaker 2>notes recently about that time, and it talks about how

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff was very impressed by the notebook. I think he

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<v Speaker 2>loved a lot about it, but the notebook he just thought,

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<v Speaker 2>I think because Jeff is a pretty good marketer, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think he saw the same potential in it that

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<v Speaker 2>we saw, so anyway may happens. The script gets written,

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<v Speaker 2>that's where things get interesting. The script actually got turned

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<v Speaker 2>into Columbia TV on my birthday, which is May seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why I remember it so well, which allowed

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<v Speaker 2>me to turn it in and go away for the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a lovely thing to do, to have nothing

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<v Speaker 2>on your plate for an entire week, and that was great.

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<v Speaker 2>Then things got interesting because we started doing notes on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff ordered more notebooks because we were going to get

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<v Speaker 2>ready to go pitch this. So at first we'd only

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<v Speaker 2>made a certain small smattering of notebooks, these classified briefing notebooks,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we got serious. We were doing notebooks by

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<v Speaker 2>the dozen, and we were oh man, those were the days. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it was a full production that we went into

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of producing those notebooks, and I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we made ten or twelve of them, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even twenty. But it was a huge undertaking, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fun to produce all of those. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think the main thing that I take away is that

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<v Speaker 1>we were so steeped in dark skies at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything was dark skies, like twenty four to seven except

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<v Speaker 1>for that one weekend you took off. Because we were

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<v Speaker 1>getting the show off the ground. This was a dream

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<v Speaker 1>come true. And as we talked about before with the

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<v Speaker 1>Low and Guard letter, we were selling this show. And

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<v Speaker 1>you said Jeff Sigansky was a showman. We had some

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<v Speaker 1>showmanship in terms of all of the marketing, the collateral

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<v Speaker 1>marketing that we put together to get the show off

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<v Speaker 1>the ground, which is interesting in terms of where it

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<v Speaker 1>all leads with your story you're about to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite memory of putting all those notebooks together for

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<v Speaker 2>Columbia TV was that they were paying for them for

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<v Speaker 2>a change. The first one we had to go shell

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<v Speaker 2>out of our own pocket, and everyone had a certain

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<v Speaker 2>cost to it. I don't remember what the unit cost was,

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<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't small, and so it was nice that

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<v Speaker 2>they did it. Anyway, those notebooks got made in June,

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<v Speaker 2>because the first week of July of ninety five is

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<v Speaker 2>when we went out and pitched this to three different

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<v Speaker 2>networks in the same day, got offers from CBS and

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<v Speaker 2>NBC and decided to go with NBC. So sometime in July,

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<v Speaker 2>NBC is getting involved in our life. And here's where

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<v Speaker 2>the rubber meets the road on this story, NBC picks

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<v Speaker 2>it up and says, listen, we need to see this pilot.

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<v Speaker 2>We're putting your pilot into production. So suddenly you and

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<v Speaker 2>I are in pre production for this two hour pilot

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<v Speaker 2>that although it wasn't written on spec, it wasn't written

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<v Speaker 2>for the network. It was written for Sagansky and his

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<v Speaker 2>executive team at Columbia TV. And I'm sure there were

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<v Speaker 2>some bruised feelings at some network level by people that said,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, we don't even get to develop this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You just bought it. But that's what happened. So this

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<v Speaker 2>thing goes into pre production at the same time that

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<v Speaker 2>it's going into pre production, though NBC had ordered six

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<v Speaker 2>backup scripts, and to explain what that means is just

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<v Speaker 2>NBC wanted to make sure that if they shot this pilot,

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<v Speaker 2>we had a plan for where we were going. But

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<v Speaker 2>more than that, they didn't want to look at just

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<v Speaker 2>some little document you and I put together that said

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<v Speaker 2>this is our plan for the series. They wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>read scripts. So we had two things going on at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time in July, which was prepare for pre

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<v Speaker 2>production which would start soon, and also get these scripts

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<v Speaker 2>done and the reason we were preparing for pre production is,

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<v Speaker 2>as it turns out, we started shooting the Dark Skies

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<v Speaker 2>to hour pilot on November eighth of nineteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 2>so that was looming as a deadline. Okay, what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>about to show you, folks, is something that it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like Brent and I forgot about it, but we saw

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<v Speaker 2>this when it happened, had definite feelings about it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then got involved in producing Dark Skies and to complete

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<v Speaker 2>that metaphor. What then ended up happening is that it

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<v Speaker 2>got put in one of my boxes and filed away

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<v Speaker 2>with everything else, and then life went on right. I

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<v Speaker 2>had three kids, and I had other shows that I

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<v Speaker 2>was working on afterwards, as did you, and Memory being

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<v Speaker 2>what it was, these things fell out of my mind

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<v Speaker 2>and then they fell back in recently, quite recently, while

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<v Speaker 2>working on Sound lad and Frequency. Here's what happened. It's

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<v Speaker 2>August and we're in the middle of all of this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll go to my mailbox one day and people

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<v Speaker 2>actually got mail back then. I don't know how many

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<v Speaker 2>people are actually getting mail. If you get mail anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>I get junk mail, I get junk mail, I get bills,

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<v Speaker 2>but back then sometimes you could get something that was

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<v Speaker 2>worth reading. Sometimes somebody would send you a letter or something,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's still worth going to the mailbox. I went

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<v Speaker 2>to the mailbox that day and I got a postcard.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the postcard, all right. As you look at

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<v Speaker 2>this thing, you see it's got a book cover on it.

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<v Speaker 2>The book is actually called The Flying Eyes. It was

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<v Speaker 2>published in nineteen six two by the author J. Hunter Holly,

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<v Speaker 2>and it basically is a I don't know, it's flying eyes. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's flying eyes. It's strange. It caught my attention.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's an alien invasion with flying eyes essentially, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Which as I understand it, I have not read it.

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<v Speaker 2>But these levitating eyes could hypnotize people on moss and

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<v Speaker 2>they were bizarrely resilient. You could shoot them, as I

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<v Speaker 2>understand it, and they would reconstitute themselves. But basically it's

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<v Speaker 2>the surveillance thing. These eyes basically are looking down on

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<v Speaker 2>people from the sky. Now, if that sounds familiar to

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<v Speaker 2>the UFO issue, congratulations, we'll send you a prize. What happened, though,

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<v Speaker 2>is I read the back of it and I was

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<v Speaker 2>shocked because there were four words and they are not

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<v Speaker 2>written across like a normal sentence. They are stacked. They

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<v Speaker 2>are stacked one word another word, and they're all typed

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<v Speaker 2>in curier front. They're all capitalized, and it's obvious clear

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<v Speaker 2>that a very full ribbon has been used. And they

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<v Speaker 2>shocked me, they freaked me out. And this is what

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<v Speaker 2>they said, we are watching you bring back some memories.

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<v Speaker 2>It does not good memories either. Although I will say

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<v Speaker 2>that there was the initial this is just a joke, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think you assumed I did it. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I actually thought you had done it to yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a double backslip of reality even I can't pull

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<v Speaker 2>right off.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I think once we got past the did

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<v Speaker 1>you do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you do it? Did you do it?

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<v Speaker 1>And it was clear that neither one of us did

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<v Speaker 1>it to each other, then the creepiness started settling in. Because,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, let's not forget you gave a great set

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<v Speaker 1>the table of context of what was going on at

0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.079
<v Speaker 1>the time. But even go back a little bit further.

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<v Speaker 1>We were doing a show in which I had taken

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<v Speaker 1>information given to me by John Harrington, the man in

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<v Speaker 1>the Reagan administration who disclosed to me, and we had

0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.840
<v Speaker 1>woven some of those ideas into our show, and so

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<v Speaker 1>for someone to be watching us sent a shiver down

0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.840
<v Speaker 1>my spine. And this was even before JC.

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<v Speaker 2>My spine didn't get completely shivered until we talked. I

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<v Speaker 2>got this, and I thought this is quite odd. And

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was odd enough that my wife reminds

0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.720
<v Speaker 2>me she didn't learn about these things till much later. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I must have been somewhat freaked out a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>by the postcard that I didn't show it to her.

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<v Speaker 2>I did take it to the office right away. And

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<v Speaker 2>this postcard, by the way, is August nineteenth, nineteen ninety five.

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<v Speaker 2>I took it to the office and showed it to you,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're correct. My first take that I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>rule out was that somehow, because of our notebooks and

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<v Speaker 2>the whole idea of surveillance and us being in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of it, that you had just found this postcard

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<v Speaker 2>and thought this will be a fun thing. I'll pull

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<v Speaker 2>one over on Bryce. So I showed it to you,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was very clear that you had not done that.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only did you say you hadn't done it, but

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<v Speaker 2>you were clearly surprised enough by it that you were thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not good. This is very strange, and I

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<v Speaker 2>want to just remind the audience. This is August of

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five, which is thirteen entire months before that Dark

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<v Speaker 2>Sky's premiere party, when the actual show would air on

0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:24.080
<v Speaker 2>NBC and JC would come to my house and offer

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<v Speaker 2>a cooperation deal with the Office of Naval Intelligence. So

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<v Speaker 2>this was something that was troubling. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>very troubling because first of all, somebody had gone to

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<v Speaker 2>the trouble to find a postcard that is literally eyes

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<v Speaker 2>in the sky watching you, and then they'd boiled it

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<v Speaker 2>down to the basic surveillance motif we are watching you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's troubling, yeah, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Once we got past the obvious, it raised the question

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<v Speaker 1>of who could have sent this, and that's a whole

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<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole we can go down, and we will, but

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<v Speaker 1>I want to just rewind because I was already on edge,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, by doing Dark Skuys in the first place,

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<v Speaker 1>so when this happened, it took all of my paranoia

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<v Speaker 1>up a notch and adding more fuel to that flame.

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<v Speaker 1>Right around this same time, I remember that I had

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<v Speaker 1>a friend come visit me, who I will just say

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<v Speaker 1>worked for one of the Alphabet agencies. And he came

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<v Speaker 1>to our house, and when my wife was out of

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<v Speaker 1>the room, he took me aside and he said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, do you know that your phone is tapped?

0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.080
<v Speaker 1>And I thought, what do you mean? He said, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>there's five or six different wiretaps on this. I can

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<v Speaker 1>tell this is what I do. And I thought, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand. Why would my phone be tapped. He goes,

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<v Speaker 1>when you put a show like Dark Sky's on the air,

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<v Speaker 1>there's probably people want to know what you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, can you get rid of it?

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<v Speaker 1>And he goes, that's is way above my pay grade.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had this whole other layer now where you're

0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.000
<v Speaker 1>getting postcards talking to both of us that were being

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<v Speaker 1>surveilled or watched with a flying Eyes message on there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not too subtle. And meanwhile I'm finding out that

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<v Speaker 1>my phone is tapped at home. And I think the

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<v Speaker 1>title we used, or we were going to use for

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<v Speaker 1>one of our scripts was Paranoia Strikes Deep, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was from the exit music for our pilot, the Buffalo

0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Springfield song for what It's Worth. That was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the lines. And I got to tell you at this

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<v Speaker 1>time paranoia had struck deep in me, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>really worried. And like you said, we hadn't even shot

0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.040
<v Speaker 1>the pilot yet, and I was already on edge.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about that, somebody's telling you your phone is tapped.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't even shot anything. We're not on the air.

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<v Speaker 2>It's curious about the selection of those four words. We

0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.439
<v Speaker 2>are watching you. It's not like I'm watching you, it's we,

0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.800
<v Speaker 2>which raises a lot of questions. Who is this we?

0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.879
<v Speaker 2>Who would that be? Just a couple of things to

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<v Speaker 2>unpack from what you just said the phone tap kind

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<v Speaker 2>of idea. No one ever told me my phone was

0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:51.040
<v Speaker 2>tapped that I remember you telling me that story, and

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<v Speaker 2>all I remember was this. I had for a couple

0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.960
<v Speaker 2>of months of feeling, Well, here's the thing. When I

0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.880
<v Speaker 2>was a kid growing up in the six people had

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<v Speaker 2>party lines, which meant that you shared a line with

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else. I've heard like you'd be having a call

0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.600
<v Speaker 2>with somebody and you'd hear this technical click kind of thing,

0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.320
<v Speaker 2>and you'd know that somebody on the other party line

0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.760
<v Speaker 2>was listening to your phone call. And so people would

0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:20.280
<v Speaker 2>have conversations like, hey, I'm on the phone here, and

0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.919
<v Speaker 2>the party line person would say, yeah, but I got

0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:24.679
<v Speaker 2>to make a phone call. It's important. I have to

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<v Speaker 2>call my doctor, and you'd say, I'm wrapping up, give

0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.200
<v Speaker 2>me a five minutes. You'd have conversations with people you

0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.800
<v Speaker 2>did not know. Right, it's so strange to say to

0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.960
<v Speaker 2>that to anybody today, But party lines were a thing anyway.

0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.760
<v Speaker 2>You did hear clicks and things because of that, and

0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.240
<v Speaker 2>then for many years I never heard anything like that.

0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.640
<v Speaker 2>But when we started doing dark skies, I did hear

0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:50.280
<v Speaker 2>these sort of technical things, and I haven't thought too

0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.960
<v Speaker 2>much of it. I thought we got a shitty phone line,

0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.320
<v Speaker 2>to be honest, it was my first thing. I thought,

0:18:55.760 --> 0:19:00.600
<v Speaker 2>because that happened, you'd have marginal phone service. That would happen.

0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:02.800
<v Speaker 2>But when you told me that, I thought, that's interesting

0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.680
<v Speaker 2>because I've heard two or three different sounds. They weren't

0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:06.879
<v Speaker 2>always the same sound.

0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.840
<v Speaker 1>No, it sounded like, ironically like some of the clicking

0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.040
<v Speaker 1>sounds that you hear in the Disclosure Day trailer. It

0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.879
<v Speaker 1>was like little popping and clicking, and I guess that

0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.560
<v Speaker 1>was people tapping in and out of the line.

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<v Speaker 2>What I want to say further to everyone is to

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<v Speaker 2>stay with us. Because there was a second postcard and

0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:28.480
<v Speaker 2>it came four days later. But I don't want to

0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:32.159
<v Speaker 2>talk about that postcard just yet because in preparing for

0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.520
<v Speaker 2>this show, we've done a little background research and one

0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.800
<v Speaker 2>of the things that we realized and I'm holding up

0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.000
<v Speaker 2>a book right now for those of you listening. It's

0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.320
<v Speaker 2>from Stanton Friedman as the author, and it's called Top

0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Secret Magic again m Ajiic. And this book came out

0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:53.480
<v Speaker 2>in I believe ninety seven, and actually I optioned it.

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<v Speaker 2>This was after Dark Shyes, I optioned it because I

0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.400
<v Speaker 2>thought maybe I can turn this into a movie or something.

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<v Speaker 2>In reading through it, though, Stanton tells a story in

0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:05.880
<v Speaker 2>this book. And again this came out after our postcards. Well,

0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:07.000
<v Speaker 2>even though it has been.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to interrupt for a second, because, first

0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.040
<v Speaker 1>of all, you were friends with Stanton Friedman. But for

0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.879
<v Speaker 1>those who don't know who Stanton Friedman is, he was

0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.040
<v Speaker 1>someone pretty important in neufology.

0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.399
<v Speaker 2>Stanton Friedman was the wizard of euthology. He was a

0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:24.320
<v Speaker 2>nuclear physicist who basically quit his job in the I

0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.439
<v Speaker 2>think the late fifties and then became the voice of

0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:34.040
<v Speaker 2>UFO research in the sixties. Fascinating guy really walked the walk.

0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:38.120
<v Speaker 2>The guy was a tremendous researcher and gave his life

0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.600
<v Speaker 2>and abilities to it. But one of the things that

0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I realized in there, and by the way, if any

0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.240
<v Speaker 2>of you owned this book, it's on page eighty nine

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<v Speaker 2>in both the hardcover and the soft cover, which I

0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:51.440
<v Speaker 2>don't know how that happened, but that's the truth. Stanton

0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:55.480
<v Speaker 2>had been working with two other UFO researchers in the

0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.960
<v Speaker 2>late eighties, and they were Heimi Shandera and Bill Moore,

0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:04.119
<v Speaker 2>and Sandra had received a role of undeveloped film in

0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.959
<v Speaker 2>the mail and they had developed the film, and the

0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:11.560
<v Speaker 2>film was a document. And that document been formed not

0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:15.359
<v Speaker 2>only ufology for a while and became incredibly controversial, but

0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:17.640
<v Speaker 2>it was something you and I embraced for dark skies,

0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:21.800
<v Speaker 2>and it was basically what we now have come to

0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:25.160
<v Speaker 2>know the Eisenhower Briefing document, and that is a document

0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:29.880
<v Speaker 2>that was supposedly created on November eighteenth, nineteen fifty two,

0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:33.399
<v Speaker 2>for Dwight Eisenhower, who had just been elected president, who

0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.560
<v Speaker 2>was getting briefed before he would take office the next

0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.919
<v Speaker 2>early the next year, and it basically said braswell was

0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:43.919
<v Speaker 2>real that we had bodies there rather crashes. It's a

0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:47.480
<v Speaker 2>profound document, and one of the things in it is

0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:51.000
<v Speaker 2>that it also said that there was a memo called

0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:54.359
<v Speaker 2>the Cutler Twining Memo that said MJ twelve is real

0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:57.280
<v Speaker 2>because it basically is a memo from Ike's chief of

0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:00.639
<v Speaker 2>staff asking for a meeting for some thing called m

0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:04.960
<v Speaker 2>J twelve. After they developed this film and saw the

0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Majestic twelve documents, it's pretty fascinating, Brent, and it's laid

0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:13.119
<v Speaker 2>out in Stan's book. They claimed they had received some

0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:17.359
<v Speaker 2>postcards in the mail and that these postcards had some

0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:20.960
<v Speaker 2>specific information on them. One of the things that they

0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:26.440
<v Speaker 2>did is they talked about Suitland, they talked about Reese's Pieces,

0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:29.920
<v Speaker 2>and they talked about Box one eighty nine, and they

0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:34.600
<v Speaker 2>were mailed from Believe, Ethiopia. That's where they said they

0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:38.560
<v Speaker 2>were from. Here's the thing. Reese's Pieces refers to a

0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:42.000
<v Speaker 2>guy named Ed Reese who ran the National Archives, and

0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Suitland refers to Suitland, Maryland, which is where the archives

0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:51.240
<v Speaker 2>were located. And when Shandera and Moore went to those

0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:55.800
<v Speaker 2>archives and spent days going through stuff, they literally ended

0:22:55.880 --> 0:23:00.239
<v Speaker 2>up in Box one eighty nine where they found that

0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Cutler Twining memo from nineteen fifty four from Ike and

0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.800
<v Speaker 2>it was just in the middle of the files. So

0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:12.840
<v Speaker 2>I guess what I'm saying is there is precedent for

0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:17.199
<v Speaker 2>what you and I went through that somebody was using postcards.

0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Now it might have been disinformation, it might have been

0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:25.640
<v Speaker 2>just somebody trying to have fun with UFO researchers. That's possible,

0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:27.359
<v Speaker 2>and we can get into more of that later, but

0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:29.320
<v Speaker 2>it was pretty real to them at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I have two thoughts on this. The first is I'm jealous.

0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:41.240
<v Speaker 1>They get a postcard that sounds or postcards. It sounds

0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:44.040
<v Speaker 1>like it's an alternate reality game or an escape room.

0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:46.160
<v Speaker 1>They get to go on a treasure hunt and find

0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:48.440
<v Speaker 1>something cool. We just get a threat. If I could

0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:50.800
<v Speaker 1>do it all over again, I'd prefer the fun game

0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 1>that we can go on our treasure hunt. Secondarily, if

0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm not mistaken, William Moore had quite an interesting presence

0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:02.280
<v Speaker 1>in ufology, and so I'm curious on your.

0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Opinion of that.

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you can give us a little background on him,

0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:09.400
<v Speaker 1>but also does that undercut or undermine the credibility of

0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:11.440
<v Speaker 1>this twining memo?

0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Ah fascinating. First of all, Twining is invoked twice in ufology,

0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:20.639
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen forty seven, Nathan Twining, who was Lieutenant General

0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Nathan Twining of the Army Air Forces, had written a

0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:25.720
<v Speaker 2>memo that he was told to write. This is a

0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:29.160
<v Speaker 2>real memo. It was released under Freedom of Information Act.

0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:32.200
<v Speaker 2>It's the real thing. The government admits it's real. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a memo from Nathan Twining where he stated that the

0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:39.800
<v Speaker 2>objects seen by military personnel were not whether astronomical or

0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 2>other phenomenon, but rather objects that warranted further investigation. And

0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.440
<v Speaker 2>this is the memo people might have heard about. In

0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:50.760
<v Speaker 2>that memo, it says, quote, the phenomenon reported is something

0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:55.639
<v Speaker 2>real and not visionary or fictitious. That's about as clean

0:24:55.680 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 2>a statement the US government has ever made, ever, ever amazing.

0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:04.600
<v Speaker 2>And again, that is the Twining memo. Now, the Cutler

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Twining memo is the one that showed up in the

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 2>Majestic twelve documents, and that was the one that was

0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:15.560
<v Speaker 2>used to say MJ twelve is real because here's a

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:18.280
<v Speaker 2>memo from Ike and all that. But of course, if

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:20.800
<v Speaker 2>you don't believe the Majestic twelve documents are real, then

0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.560
<v Speaker 2>you might not believe that document is real. And I

0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:27.400
<v Speaker 2>know this sounds arcane, but the date of the Twining

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Memo where he said the phenomenon is real is September

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:34.639
<v Speaker 2>twenty three, nineteen forty seven. But what's pretty interesting is

0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:38.439
<v Speaker 2>that the Eisenhower briefing document, the memo it has the

0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Truman Forestall Memo inside. That briefing document is dated September

0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 2>twenty fourth, nineteen forty seven, the day after the so

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:51.480
<v Speaker 2>called Twining Memo, and in that one it says, quote,

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:54.760
<v Speaker 2>as per our recent conversation on the matter, you are

0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 2>hereby authorized, and by the way, this is from Harry Truman.

0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 2>You are hereby authorized. Proceed with all due speed and

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:06.560
<v Speaker 2>caution upon your undertaking hereafter this matter shall be referred

0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:11.240
<v Speaker 2>to only as Operation Majestic twelve. So let me put

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 2>it this way. If that memo is fake, as many

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 2>people try to allege, then at least whoever wrote it

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:20.960
<v Speaker 2>and put it inside the Eyesenow rebriefing Memo knew about

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 2>the Twining Memo and managed to put these dates together.

0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 2>So the whole thing is this arcane but fascinating thing,

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 2>and somehow we're in the middle of that thing. That

0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:31.720
<v Speaker 2>freaks me out too.

0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm fascinated by this concept that this was a

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:39.400
<v Speaker 1>form of communication between the people in the shadows and

0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:42.159
<v Speaker 1>people like you and I out trying to make a

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:45.119
<v Speaker 1>TV show or investigate something. You're getting postcards in the

0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 1>mail from somewhere out in the world, in this case Ethiopia.

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Even looking back on ours, we got ours from Santa Clarita,

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:55.719
<v Speaker 1>which was way outside of La but it was very

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 1>close to the area we ended up shooting later, our

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 1>crop circle sequence. We didn't know anyone that lived out

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 1>in Santa Clarita, and I'm sure these two gentlemen didn't

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 1>know anyone in Ethiopia. You get something in the mail

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:10.880
<v Speaker 1>from an unknown source, and in their case it led

0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 1>to supposedly a document that became foundational in ufology. And

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:19.119
<v Speaker 1>for us, again it was a threat. It was, or

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 1>at least a vague threat. And I have to believe

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:25.679
<v Speaker 1>that in both cases these were done intentionally. The question

0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:28.880
<v Speaker 1>as comes up a lot, was it done to help

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:30.920
<v Speaker 1>us to lead us down a path, to send us

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:33.960
<v Speaker 1>a signal, or was it done to disinform us to

0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 1>throw us off the scent. That's the most frustrating thing

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 1>is that we can't discern the intention here.

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:41.400
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk more about that, but let's take

0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 2>a little sidebar, because one of the things you mentioned,

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Brent was that Paranoia Strikes Deep, which is a line

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:50.639
<v Speaker 2>from the song for what It's Worth, written by Buffalo's

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Springfield and performed by Buffalo Springfield, and that's the one

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 2>where it says there's a man with a gun over

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:59.680
<v Speaker 2>there telling me, I gotta beware. Paranoia strikes deep into

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:02.119
<v Speaker 2>your heart. It will creep. And we love that song.

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:05.200
<v Speaker 2>We did, in fact use it in our Dark Sky's pilot,

0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:08.359
<v Speaker 2>and in fact, one of those backup scripts that you

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:11.720
<v Speaker 2>and I were writing was called Paranoia Strikes Deep, and

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:14.400
<v Speaker 2>we did in fact write that script and it never

0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 2>got shot. It's the lost episode of Dark Skies, along

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:19.960
<v Speaker 2>with some of those others that other writers have done

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:23.639
<v Speaker 2>as well. But Paranoia Strikes Deep reminds me of a

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 2>movie that I have seen recently and you just saw recently.

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 2>I think we should take a little detour.

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, let's do that, because I think this movie

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 1>is a great example of how you can tell a

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 1>really compelling UAP alien story without a big budget and

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>big special effects. And it captured that sense of kind

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>of escalating paranoia incredibly well, which makes it very relevant

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:49.480
<v Speaker 1>to discussion we're having listen.

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 2>The movie we're talking about, of course, is The vast

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:55.840
<v Speaker 2>of Night. Okay, it was released in twenty nineteen. I

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 2>think it came out and was winning awards. Yeah, it

0:28:58.680 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 2>was produced in twenty nineteen.

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:02.239
<v Speaker 1>I think it was in a few film festivals. But

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 1>then it premiered on Amazon in twenty twenty, and.

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I remember seeing it. That was during the lockdown, the

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 2>COVID lockdown, and at the time, my daughter and her

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 2>best friend were living at my house, and so we

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 2>all watched it together, and my daughter's friend said, that's

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 2>the best film I've ever seen. But I'll tell you

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 2>what's interesting about it. We always try to do the

0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 2>log line. The log line for Vastia Night is I'm

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 2>just to complete what it is. It's a micro budget

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 2>it's a kind of an inventive UFO mystery, and it

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 2>takes place in one night in nineteen fifties New Mexico

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 2>in a small town, and it's really two main characters,

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 2>a switchboard operator and a radio DJ, who are chasing

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 2>down a mysterious audio frequency that's happening when strange lights

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 2>are in town and if anybody has missed that that

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 2>would be sound an audio recording that has shown up

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:02.000
<v Speaker 2>and light str range, dancing lights on the edge of town,

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 2>and frequency because it's coming out over a radio transmission.

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Maybe that's why I liked it so much.

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I knew we were going to do this podcast

0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 2>a good six years ago, Brent, and now I'm finally

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:17.720
<v Speaker 2>catching up to that. Maybe we're influence.

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>We have so far focused on some of the big

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>formative movies in science fiction with regards to UAP and aliens.

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:28.400
<v Speaker 1>We've done a lot of big movies, but I think

0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 1>this is one of the things we also wanted to do.

0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Was there's going to be certain movies that are out

0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>there like this one, which I highly recommend, that just

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 1>evaded everyone's radar. I had never heard of it before

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 1>until Bryce brought it up for me. And this is

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 1>the kind of thing that we'd also like the show

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 1>to do, is encourage you to go back and watch this.

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 1>We've talked about some movies on the show that I

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:51.320
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't encourage that this one I would. The thing I

0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 1>found fascinating when I dug into it a little bit

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>is that it's loosely based on two actual events from history.

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>One of them was the Kesburg Ufo incident, which happened

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 1>in Pennsylvania in nineteen sixty five. What happened was a

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 1>bunch of citizens and even some pilots at the time

0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 1>reported this huge fireball going across the sky and the

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>people saw it. It hit somewhere in the vicinity and

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 1>it apparently it was dropping like a bunch of hot

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 1>metal debris as it went across the sky. And then

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 1>where it hit, that whole area was immediately sealed off

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 1>by army and state police. Now, ultimately the official explanation

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 1>was it was a meteor. That was what everyone the

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 1>news tried to push out there. But then NASA came

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 1>forward later and claimed that it was a Soviet satellite. However, interestingly,

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty seven, a few years later, NASA claimed, oh,

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 1>all the evidence for that Soviet satellite that's been lost.

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>As the kids like to say, vary sus. That incident,

0:31:56.760 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 1>interestingly has been nicknamed Pennsylvania's ros Well.

0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 2>And that one is unsolved to this day. Correct and

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:09.520
<v Speaker 2>based on witnesses, it probably was solved. Listen. First of all,

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I like this movie. It may not be for everybody.

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting that critics love this movie, but people that

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 2>watch it are a little more at sea about it.

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Some of them think it's too slow or whatever. And

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 2>the reason they think it's too slow is that the

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 2>director Andrew Patterson, who did a really nice job with it.

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 2>But the director has chosen to go with these extremely

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 2>long scenes, and there's many of them. I think there's

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.560
<v Speaker 2>like half the number of cuts in this film that

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 2>would be in a normal film, as I understand it.

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 2>But what I love about it is that there are

0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 2>two scenes where someone just basically talks and it's creepy

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 2>and interesting and I just recommend it. And here's the thing.

0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 2>The guy's running a radio broadcast and everyone's at the

0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 2>basketball game that night, so he's all alone. He's taken

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 2>calls and people are reporting these dancing lights and things

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:06.960
<v Speaker 2>in the sky, and he's asking for information, and a

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 2>guy named Billy calls in, and Billy says he has

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 2>served in the military. He was taken to a secret

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 2>desert site where personnel built a large underground structure to

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:21.120
<v Speaker 2>house a mysterious object, and they were told if they

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 2>talked about it, it would endanger America. Now, this is

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 2>a long scene and it's so great, but the idea

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 2>of the mystery building that sounds like the one that's

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 2>rumored that Coultart first started talking about a couple of

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 2>years ago, which I don't think I'm violating anybody's suspicions

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.440
<v Speaker 2>to say that. People talk about it being in South Korea.

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Nobody has confirmed that or anything. That's just what people

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 2>say on the internet. In any case, what I really

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 2>found fascinating about this guy and this story is that

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 2>he says a couple of things. He says it was

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 2>bigger than an airplane, but no one was allowed to

0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.400
<v Speaker 2>see it, which again fits in with the large thing

0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:00.960
<v Speaker 2>that Coultart was talking about. He said they had to

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 2>dig a hole to put this enormous thing in it,

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 2>and it was covered with a tarp, and it's just

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.400
<v Speaker 2>so creepy the way he talks about it. And he

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:11.239
<v Speaker 2>said that he was picked to do it because he

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 2>was black and people that were on the crew were

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:17.920
<v Speaker 2>largely black and Mexican, to make sure that their testimony

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:21.800
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be taken as seriously, which frankly sounds realistic and

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 2>for that era, yeah, for sure. And then there's this

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.319
<v Speaker 2>second interview where they that's when they're on the air

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 2>the first one. The second one, they go to somebody's house.

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 2>A woman has called in and said, I know all

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 2>about this. Come over. And they come over to this

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 2>woman's house. Her name is Mabel, and she says basically,

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 2>they've come here before, and she calls them the people

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:44.439
<v Speaker 2>in the sky and she says, they took my son,

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 2>and no one has ever believed me. So the whole

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:49.799
<v Speaker 2>thing is about mystery, but it doesn't really draw a

0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:53.000
<v Speaker 2>road map. And I guess the reason I'm comparing it

0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 2>to this postcard thing is it was something that you

0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 2>could relate to. They had a sort of a sound

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 2>we had postcard and instead of answering questions, it raises questions. Yeah,

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:07.239
<v Speaker 2>at least that's how it hit me.

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I had all the same feels. What I loved

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 1>about it was this idea that it took a little

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 1>bit of contact, which was this idea of the whole

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:19.360
<v Speaker 1>inciting incident being this mysterious sound that they're hearing, that

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.280
<v Speaker 1>people are hearing. And then it combined it with Close

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Encounters of the third kind, so two of my favorite

0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:26.840
<v Speaker 1>movies in the space, and the way it brought in

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 1>the Close Encounters thing was this sound was something that people.

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 1>It manipulated them, they became obsessed about it. And part

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 1>of what the theory was is that you were trying

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:40.240
<v Speaker 1>to follow the source of this sound and it led

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:44.120
<v Speaker 1>people away from the town out into isolation where they

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 1>could be abducted. So that's a really fascinating idea. And

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 1>again it connects back for me and how Richard Dreyfuss

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 1>and the other characters and Close Encounters got this image

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 1>in their head of the Devil's Tower and they became

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.879
<v Speaker 1>obsessed with it, and they followed the trail of that

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 1>all the way to this encounter with a close Encounter

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:05.840
<v Speaker 1>of the third trind So combining those two elements in

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 1>a really original way with a micro budget. By the way,

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:12.239
<v Speaker 1>yes it's a micro budget, but it looks good. It's stylish.

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 1>It does not look like a cheap film. It's just

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:16.880
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of long takes to sign.

0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Up money, monk takes, and people that like things to

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 2>be very well lit will probably be disappointed because a

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:23.919
<v Speaker 2>lot of it is not that well lit. But that's

0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 2>part of its charm and mystery and all that. Anyway,

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:29.239
<v Speaker 2>it's a good film. But the reason I bring it

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:32.879
<v Speaker 2>up is if you see the vast of night. Then

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:35.880
<v Speaker 2>you will understand what we mean when we say paranoia

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 2>strikes deep, because it gets inside you and you go,

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm disturbed by this. That is exactly what you and

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 2>I both felt when we saw the postcards. Or at

0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:47.719
<v Speaker 2>least I'm speaking for myself at this point, but I'm

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 2>thinking you must have felt something similar to that.

0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:53.759
<v Speaker 1>I felt the exact same things, and I think it's

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 1>time to now visit the second postcard.

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:04.880
<v Speaker 2>It's funny, I just wrote a note to myself that

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 2>says second postcard. So here we go. All right, we

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 2>told you about postcard number one, the Flying Eyes, where

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:15.440
<v Speaker 2>again it says we are watching you, all right. That

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:18.719
<v Speaker 2>happened on August nineteenth, nineteen ninety five, and you and

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 2>I pretty well thought, okay, somebody has sent us a

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 2>message that's disconcerting. The show must go on. At least

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:28.319
<v Speaker 2>I think that is what we were doing, because we

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 2>didn't have time to sit around and think to ourselves.

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Should we look into this. Let's hire a private eye.

0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Let's do you know there's no internet to search on it.

0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:39.200
<v Speaker 2>We couldn't even get the books at that time, right,

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you would have got the books, but it didn't

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:43.239
<v Speaker 2>really look like they were sending a message with the

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 2>book cover. It just felt like somebody found a target

0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 2>of opportunity, bought this postcard, typed in this message. Who

0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:53.600
<v Speaker 2>they were, we don't know. Okay. That was where we

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:57.040
<v Speaker 2>were until four days later, on August twenty third, nineteen

0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:02.360
<v Speaker 2>ninety five, when we received this postcard, which is Operation Interstellar,

0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:08.080
<v Speaker 2>and it is let's see, it's written by George O. Smith. Listen,

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:11.479
<v Speaker 2>I don't know exactly the whole thing about what it's about.

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:14.359
<v Speaker 2>I haven't read it, but it's something about a main

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:19.960
<v Speaker 2>character who believes that real time communication across interstellar distances

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:24.400
<v Speaker 2>is impossible. No, that's the theory that people are saying.

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 2>But the main character is a guy named Paul Grayson

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:31.840
<v Speaker 2>who believes in that technology that can have instant communications

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:36.320
<v Speaker 2>across space time. So it is an interesting little secret,

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 2>if true. People talk about that right now. But that's

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.840
<v Speaker 2>not what got weird about this one for us, because

0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 2>at that point it was just a book cover, all right.

0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:48.960
<v Speaker 2>The back of it is in the same typeface, so

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 2>it looks like a courier. It's in all caps, and honestly,

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I could send it out to be looked at, but

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty clear to me it's either a matching typewriter

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:02.120
<v Speaker 2>or the same typewriter, and not with a very dark

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 2>ribbon like the first one. It's a little lighter ribbon,

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 2>which I guess if you were typing a lot four

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 2>days later might sit. So this is August twenty third,

0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 2>and here it comes. This one again is stacked, but

0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 2>it's more than four words. So it's got phrases that

0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:20.200
<v Speaker 2>are stacked. But it says we admire you and are

0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 2>very impressed by your work. We even take pride in

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:27.960
<v Speaker 2>your accomplishments. There it goes. You can see that there.

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:32.240
<v Speaker 2>Now one of these is a threat, but the other

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:36.080
<v Speaker 2>seems to be something entirely different. It's the push pull.

0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 2>It's the good cop bad copy. Yeah. I don't have

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:42.759
<v Speaker 2>any good theories on that, other than maybe somebody sent

0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:45.120
<v Speaker 2>we are watching you, and somebody in charge of that

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:48.600
<v Speaker 2>person said, that's a ridiculous. Don't freak these guys out,

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 2>tell them that we like them, or something that could

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 2>have happened. But that second one, four days later, I

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:58.760
<v Speaker 2>should point out before we get into any analysis of it,

0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:00.880
<v Speaker 2>is that we never got another one. The best of

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:02.879
<v Speaker 2>my knowledge, I've never seen another one. I never got

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:05.400
<v Speaker 2>another one. You never got another one. But again I

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:11.520
<v Speaker 2>point out August twenty third, Brent, is exactly one month

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:15.320
<v Speaker 2>and one year until JC shows up at our house.

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:18.760
<v Speaker 2>And I was just wondering, did you ever think in retrospect?

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, at the time we only had our one reaction, right,

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:25.440
<v Speaker 2>but now we have a reaction from thirty years later?

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Are you thinking, JC? Yeah?

0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 1>So, before I give you my present day theory, my

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:33.800
<v Speaker 1>thought at the time was that it was a friend.

0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:36.279
<v Speaker 1>That it wasn't you and I didn't do it, then

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 1>it had to be someone in our inner circle who

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 1>was doing it as a prank. As you said, maybe

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:44.800
<v Speaker 1>their conscience was what changed them. Maybe they were close

0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:47.640
<v Speaker 1>enough to us at the time that they saw that

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>we were freaked out by the first postcard, that we

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:52.799
<v Speaker 1>are watching you, and so they pulled back and they said,

0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:55.920
<v Speaker 1>oh no, we're we admire you, We're proud of your accomplishments.

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 1>So that was part of my thinking at the time.

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 1>But again, as you said, we didn't have JC as

0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:05.239
<v Speaker 1>a suspect at that moment, so I think we just

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:08.319
<v Speaker 1>wrote it off as somebody in our inner circle was

0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:13.759
<v Speaker 1>messing with us. Post JC coming into your backyard and

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:17.240
<v Speaker 1>making us a deal. Any paranoia that we had about

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>the postcards was now living and breathing. It wasn't just

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:23.840
<v Speaker 1>a postcard. It was a person, and it's in my

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 1>mind it's hard to believe that wasn't JC sending those postcards,

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:31.960
<v Speaker 1>or at least the office that JC said he worked for,

0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:34.759
<v Speaker 1>the Office of Naval Intelligence, because, as we talked about,

0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:38.279
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't I'm watching you, I admire, it's we are

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.440
<v Speaker 1>watching you, we admire. So you start to look at

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 1>all of the circumstantial evidence. The message that JC came

0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:48.719
<v Speaker 1>to us with is we've been watching you. We've read

0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 1>everything that you have written, and we like what you've done.

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:55.479
<v Speaker 1>You got a lot, right, So it felt like those

0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 1>postcards were announcing his arrival before he even came. However,

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:04.080
<v Speaker 1>he said nothing about that when he talked to us.

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:07.759
<v Speaker 1>There was no hey, did you get my postcards? Or

0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:10.399
<v Speaker 1>there was no kind of wink wink reference to we've

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 1>been watching you. So if he did go to that trouble,

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.440
<v Speaker 1>why didn't he take credit for it? I can't answer

0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:19.799
<v Speaker 1>that question, But to this moment, I still contend my

0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:21.480
<v Speaker 1>number one suspect is JC.

0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:24.160
<v Speaker 2>It's a good theory. That's what we're left with. This

0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 2>theory is here, But I have a couple of things

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 2>that we have done to track things down and cast

0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:30.920
<v Speaker 2>a wider net about what these things might have meant.

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:34.360
<v Speaker 2>It's very clear in looking at these two postcards with

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 2>our thirty years experience now to look back at them

0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 2>in a different way. And one of the things you

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 2>could say is the postcards fit the style of that

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:50.319
<v Speaker 2>MJ twelve mystery postcard thing that happened to Shandera and More. Okay, yep,

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:53.239
<v Speaker 2>but I fought Shandera and More. I have never seen

0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 2>the postcards they claimed were sent to them. So at

0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:59.360
<v Speaker 2>least we're showing these postcards and we're putting them on

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 2>our website which is sound like frequency dot com, and

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 2>we're putting him in this video and we're talking about

0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:08.560
<v Speaker 2>him openly. I wish they had because then we would

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:11.400
<v Speaker 2>have the ability to say, wow, that's pretty similar to

0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:14.400
<v Speaker 2>our postcard. As it is, we just have their word

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:18.240
<v Speaker 2>for it. Our postcards do fit that mystery postcard tradition.

0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:21.880
<v Speaker 2>But what they don't do that the more Chandera postcard

0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:25.400
<v Speaker 2>or postcards they said there were multiples, they don't behave

0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:28.879
<v Speaker 2>like the breadcrumb trail. They're not saying, they're not giving

0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:31.359
<v Speaker 2>us little clues. As you pointed out that you go,

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:34.799
<v Speaker 2>oh great, now let's go investigate this. In fact, one

0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 2>of them is just saying we're watching you, and the

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:40.680
<v Speaker 2>other is saying, basically, we think you're doing a good job.

0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 2>But it's like it raises the question, who are you

0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:45.840
<v Speaker 2>to tell us we're doing it? I don't even know

0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:48.719
<v Speaker 2>who you guys are. So there's that. The other thing

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:52.200
<v Speaker 2>that we've looked into is that postmark. The postmark is

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Santa Clarita. And just so people understand, even back in

0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety five, Santa Clarita was already a major high

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:03.279
<v Speaker 2>volume filming zone in the LA area. It's where they

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:06.960
<v Speaker 2>had movie ranches and infrastructure, and there were a lot

0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:10.000
<v Speaker 2>of people there. And I did a little bit of investigating,

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 2>and it seems at that time of things that might

0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 2>have been shooting there, Mighty morphin Power Rangers was one

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 2>of them. Star Trek Productions was I think doing some

0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:23.440
<v Speaker 2>voyager filming out there. I don't know what that proves

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:27.080
<v Speaker 2>or doesn't prove, because if I was somebody trying to

0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 2>put out disinformation, I might very well mail it to

0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 2>our contact who was observing the Hollywood community in Santa

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Clarita and have them mail it. I don't really know.

0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:40.919
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, Santa Clarita. The reason we suspected one

0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 2>of our people might have done it is because it

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 2>was a filming community. And if I'm not mistaken, during

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:49.399
<v Speaker 2>the production of The Dark Sky's Pilot, you were out

0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:52.400
<v Speaker 2>in that area. I didn't go to the Crop Circle shoot,

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:55.360
<v Speaker 2>but you did. And wasn't that near there.

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:59.400
<v Speaker 1>That's right near Santa Clarita. Yes, But for Santa Clarita

0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:03.600
<v Speaker 1>to mean something when someone sent a postcard in ninety five,

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:08.839
<v Speaker 1>we weren't shooting that crop Circle sequence, I believe, until ninety.

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:11.400
<v Speaker 2>Six, So how could they have known. I think we

0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:13.440
<v Speaker 2>did shoot that in ninety five because it was in

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:14.520
<v Speaker 2>our pilot.

0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:16.799
<v Speaker 1>But we hadn't gotten the postcard yet, had we.

0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:22.160
<v Speaker 2>No. We had postcard comes out in August, and we

0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 2>shot Dark Skies starting November eighth in Washington, DC for

0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:30.200
<v Speaker 2>four days. Then we came back in November of ninety

0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:34.000
<v Speaker 2>five and shot through December or something like eighteenth, right

0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:36.879
<v Speaker 2>before Christmas, the week before Christmas, So you were out

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:40.360
<v Speaker 2>there in the immediate backwash of that postcard.

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so yeah, yeah, It's just all these little coincidences

0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:48.440
<v Speaker 1>start to add up and raise the question was this

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:52.360
<v Speaker 1>just a random joke or a prank, or was someone

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 1>sending us a message or several messages.

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk theories. It's easy for us to say it

0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:00.280
<v Speaker 2>could have been JC, all right, but there are other theories,

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:02.000
<v Speaker 2>and we should at least put them on the board.

0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:05.720
<v Speaker 2>Any rational look at these two postcards, you'd have to say, Okay,

0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 2>it could have been a prank. The fact that it

0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:11.480
<v Speaker 2>wasn't you, and it wasn't somebody on our production doesn't

0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 2>mean somebody else didn't pranks. Because, as we've said, we

0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 2>made a bunch of these notebooks. They were out on

0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:18.799
<v Speaker 2>the town in the same way that when JC came

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 2>to the Dark Sky's party, the actual show itself had

0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:24.680
<v Speaker 2>been put on tape and was passing around the town.

0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:27.000
<v Speaker 2>People could have seen it that way. So somebody could

0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 2>have seen our notebook and said, I'm going to prank

0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:33.320
<v Speaker 2>these guys. It could have been somebody from the UFO

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:37.239
<v Speaker 2>subculture basically, and it was like cosplay or something. Right,

0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to pretend that I'm this deep intelligence insider.

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:45.719
<v Speaker 2>It could have just been somebody who was adjacent to

0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:48.520
<v Speaker 2>the business, But then the other theories would have to

0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:51.200
<v Speaker 2>be it could have been what it looked like, somebody

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:54.879
<v Speaker 2>from the intelligence community. Look, this one is the least likely,

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:58.080
<v Speaker 2>but it could have been the phenomenon people keep reporting

0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 2>is a jokester sometimes, so maybe that was a joke

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:04.320
<v Speaker 2>that the phenomenon thought they'd play on us. Yeah.

0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:07.480
<v Speaker 1>I think anytime we're getting into fans or cosplay or

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:09.520
<v Speaker 1>anything like that, we have to remember that the show

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:13.600
<v Speaker 1>hadn't come out yet, and that the script wasn't available publicly.

0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:17.279
<v Speaker 1>So it's hard to imagine that somebody just out in

0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the general public knew enough about what we were doing

0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:22.680
<v Speaker 1>that they could have pranked us.

0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 2>I will say too, that the saving.

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Grace in all of this for me was that they

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 1>came to your house and not mine, So I had

0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:29.560
<v Speaker 1>the wire taps.

0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:32.680
<v Speaker 2>That was my burden. Yew come you have strange postcards

0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:35.600
<v Speaker 2>coming to your place. I'm getting postcards. I got guys

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:38.600
<v Speaker 2>crashing my party. Listen, Here's how I would put it.

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:42.080
<v Speaker 2>I had my thoughts about this when it happened, and

0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:44.480
<v Speaker 2>you and I shared those, and we didn't share them

0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:47.640
<v Speaker 2>widely with other people because I think we didn't quite

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:49.319
<v Speaker 2>know what to make of it, and we didn't have

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:51.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of time. People just need to understand if

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:54.800
<v Speaker 2>you've got six scripts to write at the same time

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:58.160
<v Speaker 2>that you're supposed to be producing a two hour film,

0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:01.160
<v Speaker 2>you don't have a lot of time to mole things.

0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:03.920
<v Speaker 2>You just have to accept them and move on. But

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:08.640
<v Speaker 2>here are my observations with thirty years. First, we created

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 2>a fictional letter from our hero John Lownguard, and then

0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:15.840
<v Speaker 2>the mailbox acted like it had read it. That's the

0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:19.800
<v Speaker 2>part that's so strange to me. And the first card

0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:23.960
<v Speaker 2>really didn't leave room for interpretation. It wasn't Hello, it

0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:26.440
<v Speaker 2>was we see you, So it wasn't you didn't have

0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:29.520
<v Speaker 2>to moul what exactly it was getting at We see you.

0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Don't think we're not aware of what you're up to.

0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:34.480
<v Speaker 2>And the prank thing, Brent, I got to tell you,

0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:37.880
<v Speaker 2>if that was a prank, then somebody showing up with

0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:40.319
<v Speaker 2>an airhorn at your house at three am in the

0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:43.719
<v Speaker 2>morning is just a prankster, because that's how it felt

0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 2>to me. It just felt like, I'm not happy that

0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:49.400
<v Speaker 2>whoever did this did it. And then I guess my

0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:52.840
<v Speaker 2>ultimate conclusion is we were making a show about a

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<v Speaker 2>shadow government, and then somebody out there mailed us a shadow.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Well said, look, I think another thing to consider

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<v Speaker 1>here is we're talking about this some thirty years later,

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<v Speaker 1>and if it was a prank of any kind, no

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<v Speaker 1>one ever came forward, no one ever got the satisfaction

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<v Speaker 1>of saying, Hey, I got you, guys, I tricked you.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think, as we come to the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the episode, I want to use this moment, this

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<v Speaker 1>platform to say to anyone out there, whether you were

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<v Speaker 1>a friend, whether you were part of the inner circle

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<v Speaker 1>and executive at the network or the studio, or part of.

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<v Speaker 2>The crew, maybe you were just a fan.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you were, like Bryce said, a couseplayer, somebody that

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<v Speaker 1>knew a little bit about what was going on in

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<v Speaker 1>inside Hollywood and you wanted to punk us. Please come

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<v Speaker 1>forward and claim this prank. Tell us that you sent

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<v Speaker 1>the postcards, and if you can prove it, because we

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<v Speaker 1>would love to close this case. This was just this

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<v Speaker 1>is yet another enigma that's hanging over us, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is one in which, as Bryce said, we didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>remember that there was any significance to this until we

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<v Speaker 1>decided to do the podcast and now so I'm starting

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<v Speaker 1>to wonder what else are we going to find that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to dredge up all of these other memories and

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<v Speaker 1>create another wave of paranoia connections happen.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just close with this thought. One card is a threat,

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<v Speaker 2>two cards is a relationship, Right if they came from

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<v Speaker 2>the same person. Somebody was saying we see you and

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<v Speaker 2>you don't see us, and they're also saying we approve

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<v Speaker 2>of what you're doing. Which what were we doing. We

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<v Speaker 2>were telling a story about the UFO cover up and

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<v Speaker 2>that we're proud of you for doing that. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>ask for anybody's pride, so I don't know about that. Listen.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to keep chatting some more, but I got

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<v Speaker 2>to go out and check my mail, and you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe good luck with that. Maybe we should just hold

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<v Speaker 2>off on that sound. Light and Frequency is an iHeart

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<v Speaker 2>podcast produced by Stellar Productions. It's executive produced by Nick

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson and for Stellar Jackie's Abel. Our show's music was

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<v Speaker 2>written by Anna Stumf and Hamilton Lighthauser and your hosts

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<v Speaker 2>and executive producers are Bryce Sable, That's me and Brent Friedman.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch the Skies

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<v Speaker 1>MHM,