WEBVTT - Alien w/ Amy Pietz 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:08.799 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:10.240 These are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:28.240 Done done, Yay. 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.520 Hello, Welcome to That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast. 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:35.559 I'm Lisa and I'm Kara, and you guys hopefully know 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:37.720 what we do. We talk about an episode of Law 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.040 and Order SVU, we talk about the true crime it 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.160 was based on, and then we interview a cool Cat 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.479 from the episode I'm into jazz now, I say cool. 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.080 Cat, my cool cat. 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.240 Yeah, you know my friend from my friend from high 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:55.960 school who's like very cool. He started a sparkling wine 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.080 spritzer called cool Cat. This is not a paid advertisement. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:01.440 Oh he sent me some and it's delicious. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.679 I do remember that, but I like that as a 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.160 term for our guests too. Yeah, having at school. 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.480 But speaking of cool, I really want to know what 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:13.960 Europe to. I know that you're at your You're in 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.000 Chicago because you went to your niece's graduation. I just 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.240 saw on your Instagram that she made a speech. 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:22.040 I had no idea, so she was trying to surprise us. 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.080 And then of course, one of her brothers filled the 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:25.600 beans like like a day. 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:26.600 Before, you know. 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:31.240 But yeah, so a few people gave speeches. It's not classic. 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:34.559 You know, it's a small Jewish school, so there's only 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:38.199 forty kids graduating, maybe forty really Yeah. 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:39.080 So Avoctor Troit. 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.480 There was like a couple welcome speeches, one in English, 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.680 one in Hebrew, some other guy I don't know, and 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.080 then she did the She was the last one to speak, 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:50.800 so they all got diplomas and then she was the 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:56.520 closing speech. Whoa the closer, the closer, and she truly 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:57.080 killed it. 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:58.800 Ben She was like, I was tearing up. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:03.000 I was like I was teering, like it was such 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:05.559 a good speech and it wasn't basic. 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:07.320 I mean, I don't want to judge the other kids. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:10.960 I some of her classmates do listen to the podcast, 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.960 so I think I have to watch it when I say, 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:18.240 but listen, her speech was incredible. Everyone else was generic. 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.560 Like one girl was like, you know, I was at 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:24.320 it was Israel and it was Golden Hour and I 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.560 didn't have my phone and that's when I realized I 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:27.520 have to be present. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.519 And it's like, okay, bitch, that's like. 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.760 Not that's what you decided to go with, Like it 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:36.600 was like so basic, like we're such a community. 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.200 And then my niece just like nailed it. 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.680 She was like, don't be conformist, so you can all 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.520 reach your full potential and all about individual. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:47.679 But then she did mention the Holocaust. 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:51.560 And I started laughing because I don't know if we 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:56.239 have to talk about the Holocaust, but it was really funny. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:57.600 And then when I told her I laughed. She was like, 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:59.720 what what do you mean. I was like, it's just 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.480 fun that you said. You mentioned the Holocaust to me, 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.680 But it made sense because you know, she just mentioned 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:10.040 that were under attack. My mom just read an article 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:14.000 in the AARP about anti Semitism. Because she didn't believe me. 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:15.840 I was telling her Florida's whack and she was like, 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:17.919 I don't know. And then AARP came and she. 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.760 Was like, wait, okay, I'll take it from AARP. I'll 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:21.520 take it from them. 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.440 She's like, do people hate the juice? 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:26.840 But it was like lovely. I mean, the rest of 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:27.600 it was so boring. 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.560 It was really hard to stay alive, like I you know, 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.640 I don't know how because my other niece, she graduated 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:36.960 from a big public school my sister and niece went 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.760 to her graduation, a thousand graduating care Yeah. 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:41.120 I was gonna say, at least you only had to 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:43.720 hear forty names. I mean, I went to what I 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.000 consider a pretty small and it was two hundred of 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:46.920 us per class. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:47.480 Yeah. 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.960 Oh the kid the two kids from the class that 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.040 were reading the people's names, they deserve a movie, like 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.040 they should have a ghost World style movie. They were 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:57.760 so funny to me, I mean, and then I had 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:59.520 to really pee, you know, I pe a lot. And 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.720 so there was a cameraman and he walked away for 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:03.120 a second. So I was like, oh, this is my 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.120 shot to like walk quickly, and I accidentally blocked the 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:10.880 grandmother taping her granddaughter's speech. 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.400 Well, she was like, you know, a little video of 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.839 internet sensation Lisa Traeger now to show everybody. 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:18.560 He was like, I got to be. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.640 And then my sister said she slapped my ass on 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:24.200 the way back into the aisle, but I didn't feel it. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.159 So I don't know, but as your your sister slapped 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:28.960 your ass or the old lady did the old lady 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:29.880 did oo. 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:32.279 But I didn't feel it. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.680 But then we went to a brewery in Skokie, called sketchbook, 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:40.599 and we sat outside and ordered Vietnamese food like takeaway. 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.720 And had a nice little special day. It was cute. 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.359 She I'm proud of her nice and guess what, shout 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.040 out to her father. So she got some money from 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.520 her university, but Elan wanted more and wrote like a 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.760 really nice email and they gave her more money. 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:58.800 My college. 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.760 Yes, He's like, listen, she wants to go there. We 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:04.760 have other kids going to college this and that, and 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.400 they're like, here's wow. 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:09.599 And I was, but this is him. 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.080 This is totally him because my dad goes can't everyone 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.279 do that? And it's like, yeah, but not everyone is him? 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.680 Yeah you ask, Yeah, you got to ask because when 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:19.360 we were what you want, because when we were young, 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.000 the way we got Oprah tickets was he wrote a 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.720 letter saying we loved Susan Sarandon and Richard Geartt and 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:26.680 that's how we got the tickets. I guess he's always 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:28.920 writing these letters. I had no idea he's a letter. 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:30.880 He's a campaign letter letter man. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:32.760 I love that. Yeah, I don't know. It was cute. 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.760 And then today she was supposed to join my parents 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:36.480 and I for lunch, but she stayed out till three 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:36.960 in the morning. 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:38.839 Oh excuse me, party girl. 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:42.240 Maybe she is ready for Trinity after all, but she's 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.839 a sober Sally. I know, that's what That's the only 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.560 reason I'm saying. Because Trinity was such a drunk fest 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.559 for me that I'm like, maybe Tali is not gonna 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:50.560 like the drinking part of it. 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:52.680 But she's out till three. She can hang. 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.400 Maybe she'll figure it out. Does she ever do a 0:05:55.440 --> 0:06:00.400 gummy or anything. No, she's very liking into it. It's 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.240 just sweet. It was wholesome. I keep using that word wholesome. 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.960 And in New York I went to Coney Island whole 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:11.520 sum Memorial Day weekend, families enjoying themselves. It was like, 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.440 it's what I want to be in America for everyone 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:19.799 of different like everyone looks different, all different families having 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.600 a good time at the beach and the like on 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.320 Coney Island. And I've just had like a really wholesome 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.839 week I guess, Oh, nice. 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:30.160 I'm so happy to hear it. You'll be happy. Oh. 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.000 I saw a woman with a bearded dragon and a leash, 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:34.560 and you know I love that. Well, on my way 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.200 to the bathroom, so I get back to the boardwalk 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.440 bar where me and our friends were at, you know, 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:41.359 on Coney and I go up to them and I go, 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.839 oh my god, I saw a bearded dragon and next 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:45.320 to me was a little child getting water. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.880 And he turned to me, he goes, that's my bearded dragon. 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.440 So cute, and so he like made his mom come 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:53.839 over and then we all got to pet the beard 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:54.360 a dragon. 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.680 He was like, so cute. Oh that's so sweet. Youah, 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.000 just wholesome. Waiting in line for Rye. 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.119 I mean I was blacked out drunk by that point, 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:03.720 but uh it's fun. 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.280 Well I'll tell you who I need your brother in 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.880 law to write a campaign letter to because I'm an 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.360 a sorry let me guess non story fucking six Flags 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:17.520 Great Adventure, six Flags Magic Mountain. If you've been following 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.560 my thaga of how my phone fell out of my 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:22.960 pocket on a roller coaster, my fault, I forgot to 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:24.760 zip the pocket, but still I didn't think it would 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.000 be vortext out by the X two roller coaster. I 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:31.280 called multiple times, it was never found. They finally I 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.600 tweeted they got back to me with this VIP. So 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.160 a person has been writing me back. The same person 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.120 am saying, okay, what's your Imei number. I'm like, okay, 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.679 maybe they're getting somewhere. After I send all this stuff, 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.680 he goes, unfortunately, we've been unable to locate it. 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:45.720 Blah blah blah. 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.880 Four days later, this past weekend Saturday, I wake up 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.720 my phone has cause I got a notification from find 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.080 my iPhone my phone has been turned on. It is 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:59.520 in Hong Kong, and I immediately Google my phone is 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.040 in Hong Kong. The first thing I get is this 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:06.040 guy in Reddit being like, my phone was stolen last 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.720 month in London, and now I'm seeing it's a X 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.400 address in Hong Kong. My phone was at the same address, 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.440 so this is clearly like some kind of warehouse of 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:19.160 reselling iPhones that's in Hong Kong. It has since moved 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.240 to another address. I can still see where it is. 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:25.000 I've erased it. But they're gonna just like jail break 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.440 it and like sell it to the Philippines, according to 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:28.800 everybody on Reddit who knows. 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.120 But I'm just so annoyed because did a six fly. 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:32.679 You do this? 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.320 Did six flags? Is this like a like an f 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:36.640 like a I don't. 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.240 Think it was like a conspiracy it definitely happens, because 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.120 a lot of people were writing about it online and 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.160 saying that this has happened, but. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:44.640 Is it always in six Flags? 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.280 Well, a lot of people were saying Magic Mountain specifically, 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.400 and a bunch of people were saying other six Flags 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.520 and stuff too. It was kind of hard to find 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.080 because you have to look up like lost phone, six 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.199 Flags scam or whatever, because otherwise you just get like 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.560 a bunch of people saying, I lost my PHONEX, but 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.080 I think it's employees. I was like, I think you 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.200 guys need to pay your teens more like I think 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.280 that the teen's like, I know, my phone was on 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:09.440 for thirty six hours, so it did not break in 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:11.719 the fall. So whenever they found it, they were like, oh, 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.320 this is a twelve and it's on. Let's wait until 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.320 the battery dies and I'll ship it to China and 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.200 get some money. I'm fucking pissed. I want them to 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.520 pay for it. They won't, but I've been I wrote 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:22.720 it on my stories and a bunch. 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.400 Of people are like, go to small claims court against 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:27.400 six Flags, and I'm like, I don't know if I 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:28.120 can afford all that. 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.800 I just wonder if it's like you think it's the teens, 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:32.280 not a huge conspiracy. 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.880 I don't think it's a huge conspiracy because a bunch 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.320 of people in the reddit were like, I have gotten 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:38.959 my phone back from six Flags before. 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:41.280 Maybe shittier phones. I don't know. 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:42.800 I'm not gonna say I had the nicest phone on 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:44.960 the planet, but it was a twelve. I had just 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.520 gotten it a few months earlier, so that sucks. 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.800 But also, finally you'll get a new one, Jesus, this 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.439 one you've been using is finally. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.880 It's a piece of shit. It's my friend's old phone, 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.040 and it's like it holds a charge for about five minutes. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.160 But I also had a wholesome birthday party for Oscar. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.440 He got his little Mawana cake, he got his little 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.400 Mauana balloons. He was over the moon. He was so happy. 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.760 He got his bounce house. At one point at the 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:11.559 end of the party, he was just going around eating 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.200 pizza and cake wherever he found it, like whoever's piece 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.520 was just on the ground. He was just hoovering up 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.760 everything and I think he was having a blast. But yeah, 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.320 it was a fun time. And did I do anything else? 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:27.480 Not really, Since I've seen you any other highlights of 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:31.720 the party. No, it was like just a bunch of 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.120 funny kids running around and like it was a very 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.080 low key. I liked it because it was like half 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.480 the size of rosies. Like it wasn't as many people 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.720 at all, and it was just like nice, I ordered 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.520 too much pizza, but you know, Jared's making his way 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.520 through a bag of cold pizza right now, and uh 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:48.319 that's all. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:53.040 But yeah, not real highlights, folks wrote I. 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:58.400 Did like so's the Summerhouse Reunion aired and one of 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.400 the people on it said, well, I'd rather be nuts 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.920 than boring to one of the other people. 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:05.280 Lindsay said this to Page. 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.600 So I storied it and guess who responded, Lindsey age 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.199 So Lindsay would Page. I didn't tag her, ID tag Lindsay. 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.199 She just wrote lol. So that was a huge moment 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:16.480 for me. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.120 I love that. I'm team Lindsay. 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.760 Well, it's so funny because one of the main accounts 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.800 I should shout her out, honestly, CC right, I mean, 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:26.400 she's given us so much. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.040 All right, I'm gonna look her up. I like that. 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:29.760 I don't even have to scroll. It's the first thing 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:33.719 that pops up on my life, so c C I 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:39.840 so CC dot loves Dot You is my favorite Bravo 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:41.600 account that I've been following. 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.600 What flag is? This? Is she in France or Russia? Like, 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.040 what flag is? I don't know what flag it is. 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:51.000 I know she's from another country because I've heard her 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:52.400 talk and she has an accent. 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:57.160 Yeah, so CC is amazing, But she's just mostly been 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:00.880 posting vander Palm and it unites people and now you know, 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.840 the Summerhouse and Jersey reunions and she's like, oh no, 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:05.679 she's like vander Pump. 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:06.560 We're all united. 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:10.440 But I've just like I can't handle the the discourse 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:15.600 of the Jersey Summerhouse because everyone it's just so volatile 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.840 and so clearly two teams, you know, yes, because anyone 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:23.200 that seems Sandoval is like damaged, you know, unfortunately they had. 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.199 A horrible life. It's very clear we're all. 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.920 She talked about that because Lisa has of course gotten 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:29.959 me to follow this woman Ceci, so I do follow 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.520 her now as well. And she's like, it's interesting because 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.760 the scandival, it's like we're all basically on the same team. 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.800 There's a couple unhinged wackos, but then with Summerhouse, which 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:39.679 I don't even watch, but I know what's going on 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.240 through pure osmosis and through Bravo mem accounts, is fully 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.680 like it's divided. I feel like some people hate Lindsay 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.240 and Carl, some people love them, some people like Page. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.199 Well, the Bravo universe has no like Nuance ever. 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.840 But it's just like just because one person is work 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.600 doesn't mean the other person is innocent of everything. Cause 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.199 I got into it in the The Girls, like did 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.480 you not watch Season one? Like no, No, one's saying 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:05.640 she's not nuts, but she's right this season. She is correct. 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.880 Whether you like her or not, what is happening is wrong. 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.920 So I just think sometimes with Bravo, they're not like 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.840 Bravo fans are just the stands. 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.040 It's like the beehive of it all. 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:19.760 Yeah, people are coming for Page because she said the 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.240 whole thing about how they got their wedding thing in 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.679 People magazine and that it must have been premeditated. And 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:26.800 then the People Magazine article writer was like, I actually 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.320 just wrote really fast when I saw that they got engaged. 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:33.520 Like it's just like I love that, like for People 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:35.760 Magazine to be like, no, you're wrong, because Page kept 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.880 also saying like I know how People magazine works, and 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:40.880 I love that. The writer got to be like, if 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:44.600 you'd like us to explain, Yeah. 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:45.360 He's like, I guess Page doesn't really know how People 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:52.400 magazine works. Yeah, my old friend, Page, my old almost cousin, paget. 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.200 I forgot someone dated Page, my cousin. 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.680 I've met her a couple of times, but a way 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:01.000 pre her being on a reality show, for sure. It's 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.640 just you know, we're all we all watch reality television 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:08.000 for entertainment, and Paige and a few of other girls 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.320 on the season are very boring. They don't do anything, 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:16.840 they don't fight, and then they come alive at the reunion. 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.520 It's like where was this energy? Where was it? 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.760 I don't watch, but like what I see a lot 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:24.920 is like Page in bed with like a bunch of 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.280 other girls, like and they're always just like lying in 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.440 bed chatting, and the fact. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.240 Of the matter is like, let's say Lindsay's a bad 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:36.800 person or drunk or whatever. Kyle also Trinity University grad, 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:41.360 Trinity College. He's the worst of them all and no 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.280 one cares. It's like, I don't know whatever, I'm not 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.000 getting into this. This is not Bravo. Let's get it. Yeah, 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.120 we're starting the pod. We're starting wait, wait. 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.760 Really quickly before we keep get going on the pod. Guys, 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:52.600 it's uh. 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.440 This episode's coming out six thirteen. That means that in 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.720 two days you can see us in Tempe, Arizona. Baby, 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.440 you still have time to get tick. We love going there. 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.360 We had a great time last time. If you came 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.040 last time, don't be scared to come again. We're doing 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.120 a different episode. We're gonna have different games. It's gonna 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.360 be a different show, and I think we have different 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.800 merch than when we came last time as well. 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Okay, 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.040 we're starting, all right, guys, we're starting. Don't go anywhere, 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:54.440 all right. 0:16:54.960 --> 0:17:00.600 We are tackling Alien today, Season seven, episode even. 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.240 This is an episode from two thousand and five. 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.880 We open on what looks like a gold Ford tourist 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.399 hauling ass on the streets of New York City, cutting 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.520 people off, almost hitting people, turning into an emergency room 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.680 drop off, pushing a body out of the passenger. 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:16.560 Seat, and then taking off. 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.679 And the victim who's lying on the ground is an 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.080 unconscious young boy with a lot of blood on his 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.840 white button down. Doctors come running, so now in the 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:29.640 hospital later, Munch is briefing Benson and Stabler. The kid's 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:31.960 name is Sean Hamill and he's a fifth grader at 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:35.000 Saint Victor's, so damn he'd be like eleven years old, 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:36.440 which is that's wild. 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:37.720 He's got a. 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.879 Single stab wound to the back. The er noticed bruising 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.800 on his chest and buttocks, so they called SVU. The 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:45.879 doctor comes up to tell them that Sean is out 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:47.600 of surgery and it is surf for dude. 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:49.240 Doctor who we've talked about before. 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.800 He's doctor Kyle Beresford, played by Stephen Gregory, who unfortunately 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.080 has left the business as of his last episode of SVU, 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.919 which was in twenty eleven. I didn't realize this guy 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.600 was in eighteen episodes, like he's been in five or 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:04.080 six episodes that we've covered. 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:06.680 But he is the surfer guy that we talk about 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:07.640 that it doesn't make sense. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.560 He works in a New York City hospital and they're 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.959 in the hospital room now with Sean and his parents. 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.399 Sean has a big bandage on his head. It's a 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:15.040 nod and all the. 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.359 Way around kind though, it's just a large rectangular bandage. 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.040 So he doesn't get to be in the special club 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:25.160 with Amber Stevens West and Abigail Breslin. So the hospital 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:27.840 has obviously not paid their electrical bill because the room 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.600 is pitch. It's dark, like there's not a light to 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.320 be seen. I think of hospital rooms as bright fluorescent lights. 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.879 This child is lying in the shadows. He remembers putting 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.880 books in his locker and then playing stickball like it's 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.800 nineteen fifty and then the mom says a bully's been 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:43.479 picking on him. 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:44.000 Last week. 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.639 He came home covered in bruises, and Sean says, no, 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:48.440 I was climbing a tree and I fell, and the 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:50.639 mom goes, no way, it's a bully, and he's scared 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.520 to say who. And the kid is like, can I 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:54.320 talk later, Let's just let me out of here. I 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:56.359 just want to go home, and that's when he realizes 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.600 he can't move his legs. He starts crying his parents, 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:03.200 why can I move my legs? The parents look devastated, 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.720 and we're at the credits off of a paralyzed fifth 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.840 grader top of Act one. The detectives are at Saint 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.720 Victor's and a priest is telling them that the principle 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:16.160 has a zero tolerance policy for fighting and it's one fight. 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:16.840 And you're expelled. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.920 Seems very harsh, and the principal heard the tree climbing story, 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:22.760 so she's like, I don't even know anything about Sean 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:23.399 getting bullied. 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.360 He's a dumb ass for climbing a tree. 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.760 And then Stabler drops the bomb that Sean was stabbed 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:30.879 and is now paralyzed and they need to talk to 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:34.840 anyone who had contact with Sean that day, starting with you, father, Justin, 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:38.120 and he goes, I didn't see Sean and Live is like, well, 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.640 that's weird because he was dumped at the er out 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.920 of your car. Done done, and he's like, that's impossible. 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:46.760 My car was in the parking lot all day and 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:49.359 father and the Principle's like, no, Father, Justin was in 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.760 the library correcting papers all afternoon. But he admits, I 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.840 leave my keys on the visor so parishioners can borrow it. 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:00.919 Very generous, very priestly. We cut to the cutest SVU 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.639 interview ever. Finn is like bent down talking to this 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.280 cute little girl who's like one time a big boy 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:08.680 push Sean down and it's like it's just really cute. 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:10.960 She's like I don't remember his name, but he's bad. 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:14.920 I saw him smoking, so cute. So now Stabler's talking 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:16.760 to a teen who's like, if I spill tea, t 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:19.240 is gonna get spilt on me, Like I'm not doing this. 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:22.399 And then now Benson is talking to this dorky kid 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.720 and he goes, just because I'm a recess monitor doesn't 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:26.800 mean I'm a nark, and it's like that actually does 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.480 it actually is exactly what you are as a recess monitor. 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:30.160 You are an ARC. 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.080 And Benson explains Sean is too scared to reveal who 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:35.800 his bully is, and I can see that you're scared too, 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.240 and he's like, I'm not a wuss, and then he's like, Okay, 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:38.879 never mind. 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:39.560 I'll tell you everything. 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:41.920 There's a fat kid who pushes everyone around and he 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:43.600 beat the crap out of Sean last week. 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:46.760 His name is Charlie Monahan. Thanks Nark. 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:49.760 So now we're talking to Charlie and his dad, and 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:52.880 his dad is very familiar. His name is Adam Lefev. 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.040 He's been in four episodes of SVU. This is his 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.840 fourth one. This guy has like one hundred credits on IMDb. 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.399 He's just in like one episode of every show you've 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.880 ever seen, kind of and Charlie says Sean was making 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.680 fun of me. Sean basically said, your girlfriend won't have 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.280 sex with you because she's afraid you'll squash her. And 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.760 he says he hasn't seen Sean since last week, and 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.000 he goes, Emma can tell you I walked her home 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.320 after a school yesterday and we stopped for ice cream. 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.000 Emma is his half sister. It's his they have the 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:24.560 same mom. 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:26.880 But the dad is like, oh, it's my ex wife's daughter, 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.400 So she's been staying with her grandparents since her mom 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:31.840 got sick. So now we're at the grandparents' house and 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:35.719 they are two very extremely white up at east stuffy 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.160 looking grandparents, and we find out that Emma's been staying 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:41.280 there a couple of days since her mom, Kate had 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:43.199 to go back to the hospital because she has lupus. 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.320 Emma's very cute. She's played by a girl named Raquel Castro, 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.640 who also played Ben Affleck's daughter in Jersey Girl, which 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:51.240 I've never seen. 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:53.560 Have you seen that? I think I saw Jeelie, but 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:55.960 not Jersey Yeah, but I feel like I saw both. 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:58.360 I confuse those Jersey Girl. 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:00.200 I can like see the cover of it, and I 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:02.200 can see like a scene from it, but I don't 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:05.359 think I've ever seen it. This girl also was a 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:08.000 contestant on the Voice She was I believe chosen by 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:10.600 Christina Aguilera or something, but she didn't make it very far. 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:13.399 But she's very cute and she has a big Instagram following. 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:16.840 I hope her music goes well. She's also wearing a 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:19.240 very bad wig for most of this episode, which cannot 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:22.840 be ignored. She backs up Charlie's story story kind of 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:25.800 like Verbatim to Olivia the ice cream, the walk home, 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:29.600 et cetera. And Stabler is immediately suspicious, like, why did 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.160 you only tell us about after school? And the grandma'swhoops 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:33.520 in and is like, the high school in the elementary 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:35.160 school are separate, so that's the only time she would 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:36.160 have seen her brother. 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:36.600 Charlie. 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:38.679 Then Live cuts to the chase and is like, did 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:40.320 your brother ask you to lie? And she goes, no, 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:43.119 lying is a sin. It's a vanilla sin, not the 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:45.040 mortal kind. But all sins are bad and you have 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:45.639 to never. 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:46.399 Do them no matter what. 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:50.840 Back at the sixteenth Precinct, they're filling in Kragan. They 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:53.280 think little cutie Emma is lying her little wig off 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:56.520 and they think that Charlie stabbed this kid, dumped him 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.639 and had his sister Alibi in. Munch pops in with 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:02.440 the rimes scene report. The lab got prints off of 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:05.760 father Justin's car. They were all over the car, everywhere 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.760 except the driver's side. So, however, this kid is they're 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:11.320 pretty smart to be wiping prints off of a vehicle, 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:15.320 is what Stabler says, and then Munch says they found 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:18.160 something wedged under the passenger side it's a little piece 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:21.520 of string or rope. Csu says, it's painter's canvas, which 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:24.800 is what kids use at Saint Victor's for art. So 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:27.600 in the art room they've got giant, big ass rolls 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:30.840 of this canvas. So Munch and Finn think the purp 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:32.879 wrapped shown up in the canvas to keep his blood 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:34.760 out of the car. Then took him to the parking lot, 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.399 which is only twenty yards from the art room. They 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:39.480 think he dumped the canvas after returning the car, so 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:43.200 they're gonna have to check the trash. Then Munch goes, hmm, interesting, 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:45.680 do kids have access to these? And he's just like 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.440 holding up scissors. It's like, yes, kids use scissors in 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.640 art class, but like wild a mind just went immediately 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:55.440 to scissors. And he says, crime scene needs to go 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:58.400 through this room too, And then out of nowhere, CSU 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:03.280 technician Millie visit Gorondo aka friend of the Pod Paula Garcis. 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:06.240 She appears out of nowhere like truly appears out of 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:08.040 thin air and goes, I'll bring in a team. But 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.800 then she goes, but first I got something. I checked 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:13.560 out this security footage at Marty's deli across from the school. 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.480 Finn goes, what were you doing at Marty's? She goes, 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:19.560 they got pixie sticks. I don't know why this exchange 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:21.800 is happening. She could just be at a deli. There's 0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:23.840 a lot of reasons to go to a deli. She 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:27.359 found video of Charlie without Emma, buying a candy bar 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.080 at the deli at four to two, but he said 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:31.639 he walked dowmm A home at three o'clock. 0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:33.280 So what's going on now? 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.959 Benson and Stabler have Charlie and his dad in interrogation, 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:39.359 threatening him with jail and if he gets tried as 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:42.440 an adult, he'll get twenty years. Security Footage has you 0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:44.960 at the deli across from the school twenty minutes before 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:48.600 Sean was dumped, and Charlie sticking to his story. Benson's like, okay, well, 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.000 a Dreury is never gonna believe you, and then knock knock. 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:54.680 Finn's got something. He did find another pair of scissors 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:57.360 in the school dumpster with traces of blood in the blades. 0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:01.440 There are two prints on the scissors, but none of 0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:04.240 them are Charlie's. They can tell because they're small. They're 0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:06.560 the size of a seven or eight year old, and 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:08.640 an eight year old doesn't know how to wipe prince 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:11.200 or drive a car, so it looks like maybe Emma 0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:14.600 stabbed Charlie cleaned up, and he's lying to protect her, 0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:16.359 not the other way around. 0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:19.000 Done. Done. Top of AC two. 0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:21.800 We're back at the school and the principal is filling 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:23.879 in Benson and Stabler that Emma's not at school that 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:25.600 day because she's at the hospital with her mom, and 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:27.960 she's like, just as well, and they're like, why is 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.080 it just as well that she's missing school? And they're like, 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:33.480 her situation's complicated. When her mother first enrolled her at 0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:35.960 Saint Victor, she told them she was a single parent, 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:38.720 and she hid the fact that Emma actually has another 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:40.320 mom and that Kate is gay. 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:42.760 The mom is gay, and live is like, what's the 0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:43.160 big deal? 0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:46.080 Gay couples raise kids all the time, And the Principal's like, sure, 0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:48.239 but they don't lie about being gay and enroll their 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:51.360 kids in a conservative Catholic school. And they didn't find 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:54.560 out until Kate got sick and then the mom's partner 0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:57.240 started coming to school functions and the other parents freaked 0:25:57.240 --> 0:25:58.880 out and they didn't want their kids in the same 0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:00.440 class with the kid of a lesbian. 0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:03.160 Oh my god, Like, what fucking year is it? That's 0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:03.640 so wild. 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:06.200 So it is Catholic school though, So I don't know 0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:09.440 why any of this is shocking. Oh, let's see, it's 0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:11.080 like happening in public schools. 0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:11.280 Now. 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:15.040 Yeah, a teacher right now is in trouble because she 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.520 showed a Disney movie with a gay character in it 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:20.400 and the teachers are flipping out. So yeah, I think 0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:23.160 we've gone actually more backwards from this episode. 0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:25.400 Yeah, so fucking crazy. 0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:28.840 Well, so they basically at this school, they wanted to 0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:31.400 expel Emma after they found out, but the parent, because 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.520 the parents were pulling the kids out of the school, 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:36.320 donors were withdrawing support and live was like, how about 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:39.119 ignoring them? And principal is like, yeah, but how do 0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:42.760 you teach Catechism with Emma in the classroom? Like homosexuality 0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:44.920 is the sin kids, But that's okay, Emma, your moms 0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:48.120 are good people otherwise, So that's a quote from the principal. 0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:51.040 The only reason they didn't expel Emma was because her 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:53.440 parents sued the school, So she came back to Saint 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:56.520 Victor's with a target on her back, and the Principal's like, yeah, 0:26:56.560 --> 0:27:00.320 so the less she's here the better. At the hot hospital, 0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:03.520 Benson and Stabler see Emma sitting at her mom's bedside. 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:07.480 They're stopped by Zoe, Emma's other mom played by Amy Pets, 0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:11.560 who I recognize from Caroline in the City, and she's like, 0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:14.280 Emma had nothing to do with what happened to Sean Hammill. 0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:16.720 I don't know if I've ever met an adult Zoey. 0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:21.240 Isn't that funny? My niece is named Zoe's. Well, we 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:23.080 had Zoe Lister Jones on our podcast. 0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:27.119 Oh that's an adult Zoe. One adult Zoe. I just 0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:29.840 heard her on another podcast today and she was so funny. 0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:32.359 She's into housewives and vander Pump and everything, and she 0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:34.040 was being really, really funny about it. 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:38.320 No, I say this all the time. I mean, Bravo 0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:41.800 connects people from coast to coast. It really is a 0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.680 buying a walk all walks of life, but mostly women 0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:45.320 and gay men. 0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:47.639 So she goes Emma had nothing to do with what 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:50.240 happened to Sean Hammill, and Benson is like, the kids 0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:51.960 are covering for each other, Babe, we need to talk 0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:52.399 to Emma. 0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:54.720 And they're like, She's like, well, her mom is dying. 0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:56.720 Can this wait? And they're like it'll be quick. 0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:57.399 Now. 0:27:57.440 --> 0:27:59.919 Emma's talking to the detectives saying she didn't do anything. 0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:01.960 They're like, even if it's an accident, we got to 0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:03.720 know the truth. Did Sean say something mean to you? 0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:06.200 She goes he said I was a freak and I 0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:08.000 was going to go to hell because I have two moms. 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:10.280 And Zoe is like, what did we talk about? Six 0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:13.640 and sticks and stones? And it's like, I think six 0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:15.920 and stones is kind of outdated now right, we've figured 0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:18.440 out that like language hurts people very deeply and that 0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:19.399 we have to deal with that. 0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.600 Yeah, it's like a boomer saying, which is like ignoring 0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:24.440 how you feel and keep it moving. Yeah, yeah you 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:28.879 actually matter, but adnoring. Yeah, it's ignoring feelings. It's not 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:30.359 that words can't hurt me. 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:31.239 They do her. 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.920 We're pretending they don't to keep it moving. Yeah, they're 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:36.960 not the same as like a bruise from bumping into 0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:38.920 a wall. But when someone calls you a full freak 0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:40.360 and that you're going to go to hell, that shouldn't 0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:43.560 hurt you know. We know that Charlie drove Sean to 0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:45.400 the hospital. If you don't tell us what happened, he's 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:46.640 going to get in a ton of trouble. And so 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:50.080 then Stabler asks, like the mom Zoe, like, if kids 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:52.000 are so mean, why did you send her there? And 0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:54.040 Zoe goes, our faith is important to us. We want 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:56.680 her to have a Catholic education. I bump on that 0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.160 a little bit. I don't understand why you would want 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:02.120 to have someone educated in a church that tells them 0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:03.719 that you're sinning. 0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:07.000 But yeah, and if you want it for whatever cultural reasons, 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:08.080 there's Sunday's school. 0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:10.880 Yeah, church, there's tutors. 0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:14.480 Like to put her in an environment where it's hell, 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:16.360 makes no fucking sense. 0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.880 Yeah, And it also I guess it's because for a 0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:21.960 while it was it was all fine because she was 0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:23.880 a secret and it's only become hell in the last 0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:24.400 six months. 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.320 But still like not great. 0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:31.520 And yeah, I know the Catholic schools aren' less expensive 0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:34.160 than private schools, but so that could be a reason. 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:37.080 But Stabler goes, it's not much of an education when 0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:39.520 the kids are bothering her, And Zoe goes, she can 0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:39.960 handle it. 0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:40.800 She goes to therapy. 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.000 She can talk to me, if she has problems, and 0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:46.200 then they ask Zoe, well, where were you then, like 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.600 the night that the afternoon that this kid got stabbed, 0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:50.200 and she was like, I was at the hospital with Kate. 0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:51.040 You think I did it? 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.880 So now at the precinct, Craigan's like, why can't you 0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:55.920 get the truth out of this traumatized eight year old? 0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:58.760 He's very upset, and they're like, Daddy Craig and her 0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:00.720 mom is dying in the next room. It's not easy 0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.360 to break an eighty year old who's going through all 0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:05.160 this stuff. And they're like, and she's been through a 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:07.160 ton in the last six months since her moms took 0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:10.080 her school to court. The family's been harassed, they've changed 0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:13.120 their number twice, they've had broken windows, graffiti on their doors. 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:16.200 Zoe has filed six reports. No one has been charged. 0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:19.360 And then Munch goes, since when did New York become 0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:21.520 a red state? And Olivia is like, it's not just here, 0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:24.680 and she references a case in California. There was, in 0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:26.760 fact a case just like this in January of two 0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:28.600 thousand and five, so the same year that this episode 0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:30.960 came out, where a young gay couple enrolled their kindergarten 0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:33.800 twins in Catholic school in clost To Mesa, which is 0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:37.479 in the OC Orange County, California, and the parents all 0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:40.360 at the school all went nuts, but the school rejected 0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:44.080 their demands and said, because if you reject children based 0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.640 on parents, will we also have to ban students with 0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:50.240 divorced parents, or parents who used birth control, or parents 0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.920 who mixed fabrics or whatever other crazy shit there is 0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:56.000 in the Bible. I mean, there's all kinds of archaic 0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.320 stuff in the Bible. And then also a lesbian couple 0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:01.760 in Oregon in the year before in July of two 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:04.440 thousand and four suit a Catholic school claiming that their 0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:08.040 daughter was rejected from the school because of quote their lifestyle, 0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.760 which I mean, no one even says that anymore. The 0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:14.600 school argued the child wasn't quote behaviorally suitable for the school, 0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:16.840 which is bullshit. I can't actually find out what happened 0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:18.680 with this lawsuit, so if anyone knows, there was no 0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:21.120 current updated information anyway. 0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:22.240 Back to this case. 0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:25.720 I just can't get sending your kid to a place 0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:30.680 where they are not wanted. Yeah, yeah, the school doesn't 0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:31.160 want your kid. 0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:34.640 What are you? Who can right? Why are you forcing 0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:35.360 it right? 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:38.640 I wouldn't send my kid who can't sing or act 0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:40.400 or has no interest in the arts into a performing 0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:41.960 arts high school, you know what I mean. It's like, 0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:46.240 it just seems like that's even like a like a 0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:49.080 lazier example, because it's not like the school is teaching 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.320 them that because you can't sing or dance, you're less 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:53.600 of a person or you deserve to go to hell. 0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:57.080 But Stabler argues that Emma would have been better off 0:31:57.200 --> 0:31:59.280 pretending she just had one mom and going on with 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.840 a lie. And Benson's like, so Zoe has to stay 0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:03.600 in the closet to make homophobes happy. 0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:05.720 And then he goes, you don't send your kid to. 0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:09.040 Military school if you're a pacifist, not without expecting some friction. 0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.640 I'm team Stabler. I guess I get his point here. 0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:16.240 Yeah, Like he's he's Catholic. He's like, yeah, I get it. 0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:18.160 But he also, you know later, he's got some good 0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:20.920 Catholic facts. So Olivia goes, so you agree with the school, 0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.160 and Stablers like, it's complicated. Being Catholic means believing certain things, 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:26.720 and Zoe knows that. And then somebody goes, but she 0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:28.680 wanted to make a point and win one for the cause, 0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:30.760 and Munch goes, somebody's got to fight the fight, and 0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:32.680 Finn goes, but it shouldn't be an eight year old, 0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:35.120 and I agree with that. He points out Emma is 0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:37.120 so messed up she goes to therapy twice a week. 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:40.560 And Craigan points out that Zoe's luds show multiple calls 0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:43.920 to one number, Father Justin, So is it possible she 0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:44.760 borrowed his car? 0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:46.280 Let's go find out. 0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:48.400 So now they're talking to Father Justin and he's like, 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:50.600 Zoe's never called me ever once and he goes, I 0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.800 gave the number to Emma when she first started having problems. 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.960 He says she mentioned Sean Hammill all the time. He 0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:00.400 picked on her every chance he got. The priest talked 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:04.000 to Sean, leaded with him, begged him to stop teasing her. 0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:07.040 Nothing worked. He even called his parents and got censured 0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:09.959 for it. I don't understand why. He says he likes 0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:11.880 being a priest, but he's very close to having his 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:14.840 faculties removed by the church, which I guess is getting 0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:16.880 like priest fired. And he said he didn't want the 0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:19.920 school to get bad pressed. So he says, like He 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:21.720 kind of wishes there was more he could have done, 0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:25.480 but he was hoping that Charlie's beating would get Sean 0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:27.960 to back off of Emma, and it did for one week, 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:30.080 but he was just planning the next horrible thing he 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:32.600 was going to do to Emma. Father Justin pulls out 0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.840 an envelope and inside he says, after you guys talk 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:37.200 to me. I went to the art room and this 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:40.480 is what I found, and he pulls out Emma's freaking ponytail. 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.320 It's like a long, like seven inches of hair with 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.719 a butterfly clip still attached to it, which Sean probably 0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.560 cut off to torture this little girl. Back at the 0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:53.240 extremely dim hospital room, detectives are talking to Sean again 0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:55.840 and they're like, do you remember seeing Emma that afternoon? 0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:57.720 And he goes, yeah, I think she was there, but 0:33:57.800 --> 0:33:59.959 I didn't really talk to her. Sabler goes, did your 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:02.080 or pick on her? And he goes, I only bother 0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:04.800 her because she's so weird. Her mom's a lesbian. 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:07.760 It's wrong. Homosexuality is the sin. 0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:10.560 He like, can't even say it right, and then Stablers like, 0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:12.520 I don't remember seeing that in the Bible, but. 0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:14.080 That's what's crazy about these people. 0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:17.320 It's like they're like, oh, groomy, oh, we got to 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:20.560 protect her kids from sexuality and gay shit, and yet 0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:23.319 why does a little kid even know to hate a homosexual? 0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:24.000 You know what I mean. 0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:27.600 It's like, you can't teach kids the existence of gay people, 0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:29.520 but you can teach them to hate gay people. That 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:35.280 makes no sense, right, yeah, fucking crazy, Like gay people exist, 0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:38.680 and you could there's two options, be chill or not chill, 0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:42.959 and you're people be choosing not chill all the time, 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:44.200 all the time. 0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:45.960 I this just occurs to me. 0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:49.239 It's like you're letting you think hating gay people is 0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.840 more appropriate for a child than just knowing gay people exist. 0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:54.040 Yeah. 0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:58.600 Yeah, and that's what this kid thinks. 0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:00.760 And that's why he thinks this girl is weird because 0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:03.440 she's just related to two lesbians and that must make 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:05.399 her a lesbian. It's like, my mom's a doctor. I'm 0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:07.359 not you know what I mean, Like, you don't, you're 0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:10.280 not everything that your parents are anyway. But she's getting, 0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:14.440 you know, relentlessly tortured by this kid Stabler. But I 0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:17.600 love when Stabler is like, actually I know the Bible 0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:19.520 very well, and he's like I don't remember seeing that 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:22.319 in the Bible, and he goes, Corinthian says gay people 0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:24.279 are going to hell, and Old Testament is worse. It 0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:26.400 says gay people should be put to death. And then 0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:28.360 Stabler goes, okay, so that makes it okay for you 0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:30.279 to cut off all Emma's hair, and he pulls out 0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:33.520 the ponytail and he starts like whining, it didn't hurt her, 0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:36.359 it was just a joke. And Stabler's like, you went 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:38.320 after a little girl with a pair of scissors. And 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.279 he's like, all I did was cut her hair. She 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:42.279 stabbed me in the back, and now I can't walk. 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:43.239 It's not fair. 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.160 It's like, I guess if you had done nothing, you'd 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:49.160 still be running around playing stickball, you little shit. But 0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:52.400 now Benson and Stabler go talk to Sean's parents outside 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:52.799 and there. 0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:56.800 It does suck at such a permanent like punishment or 0:35:56.920 --> 0:36:02.279 like consequence more so, But that's the risk you take, bitch, Like, yeah, 0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:04.759 if she had stabbed him somewhere else in the back, 0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:07.040 he might still be fine, you know what I mean? 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:09.640 Like, right, I don't think she meant to paralyze him. 0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:12.480 She just went for the back, you know, Yeah, and 0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:14.640 I don't feel bad for this kid, and then we 0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:16.520 see the parents suck. It's not like this kid would 0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:18.640 have been like a great person walking like whatever. 0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:24.040 Well, he's probably gonna become a fucking left right wing podcaster. 0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:27.240 But Benson and Stabler go to talk to Shawn's parents 0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:29.560 outside the hospital room and they're like, did he remember anything? 0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:31.840 And Stabler's like, yeah, that he bullied a girl in school, 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:34.800 and the moms goes, Emma should have never been accepted 0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:37.239 at Saint Victor's and the dad says, we pay a 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:39.759 lot of money to give Sean a private education, we 0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:44.240 should have some say in what he's exposed to exposed to, Like, how. 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:45.760 Is it exposing you to anything? 0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:48.239 To just be in a classroom which you're you shouldn't be, 0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:50.320 by the way, she's clearly in like second grade and 0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:53.200 you're in fifth. So for you to pass the daughter 0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:55.440 of two lesbians in the hallway, how is that affecting 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:58.040 your life in any way? So Stabler goes, so you 0:36:58.120 --> 0:36:59.359 told your son it was cool to pick on an 0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:01.880 eight year old girl, And they're like, we told him he. 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:04.440 Should feel sorry for Emma's moms and pray for them. 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:07.200 Well, he didn't get that message, and the dad goes, 0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:11.759 so did Emma stab Sean and Stabler confirms, and then 0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:14.279 he goes, then I don't care if he called her 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:18.520 an F word, slur, D word, slur, hoor, bitch from hell, 0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:22.279 arrest her. I didn't want to say those words, but 0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:25.480 you guys know what I'm saying. And it's wild that 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:27.920 this is set on television, but it is two thousand 0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:30.680 and five. So these guys are like, get that eight 0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.000 year old girl behind fucking bars. They want nothing but 0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:37.160 revenge from this child of lesbians. So now Benson is 0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:39.960 at Emma's house talking to her, like, we know what happened. 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:43.520 Sean told us. Zoe's still saying that Emma's innocent and 0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:45.680 that the reason Emma's hair was short was because of gum, 0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:48.600 and they're like, Emma, spillt And she admits that she's 0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:51.239 been lying to Mommy Zoe and she didn't mean to 0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:53.560 hurt Sean. And she says, Sean, she has like a 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.040 really kind of cute, little New York accent. She really 0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:58.400 didn't mean to hurt Seuan. He just kept yelling slurs 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:03.080 at her and calling her the D words slang for lesbians. 0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:05.200 Were like, I mean, lesbians use the word, but I 0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:06.759 don't think they want anyone else to call them that. 0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:09.080 And she says I told him I'm not a lesbian, 0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:10.960 but he said prove it, and he tried to kiss her, 0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:13.920 so she pushed him away. He grabbed her, cut her 0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:16.920 hair and said you're a D word slur and now 0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:19.480 you look like one, and she goes, I was so mad, 0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:21.600 I was so ugly, so I grabbed the scissors and 0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:22.799 I heard him in the back with them. 0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:24.120 He fell down and hit his head. 0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:26.880 Then she explains how Charlie brought Sean to the hospital 0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:28.279 and father Justin's car. 0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:30.000 She says, sorry, she. 0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:32.600 Didn't mean to tell all those lies, and Benson says, 0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:36.520 we still have to arrest her, and Zoe's like, it's late. 0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:38.760 Can this wait till she sees Kate in the hospital 0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:42.480 in the morning. So Benson, in a moment of compassion, says, 0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:44.920 get an attorney and bring her in by nine am. 0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:48.279 So now they're at the precinct that evening and they're like. 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:51.200 Olivia's like, this kid must have really scared Emma. She's 0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:53.160 a good kid. She's never had a day of trouble 0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:56.279 up until now, and our girl, Casey Novac is there going. 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:56.680 Yeah. 0:38:56.719 --> 0:38:58.520 The guy that's going to try her in family court 0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:02.920 is named Garrett Gillespie, and he is supposed to be 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:06.960 a hard ass. So suddenly Zoe shows up with defense 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:10.880 attorney Roger Kressler aka the late Great Ned Eisenberg, with 0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:13.200 a motion to suppress the confession, which is, you know, 0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:16.080 he's a shark, so he's the guy to get if 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:19.080 you really need to get someone off. The confession they 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:21.600 want suppressed on the grounds that they interrogated Emma without 0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:24.320 her parent present, because even though they've been together for 0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:27.520 ten years, the law does not recognize. Zoe asked Kate's 0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:30.640 wife or as Emma's mom, because she never adopted her again, 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:34.400 much like in Chasing THEO why not you've been together 0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:38.799 for ten years? You had this girl together because she's 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:39.760 eight or seven? 0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:41.480 So why have you not? 0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:43.200 Why were you not adopting her from the get I 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:48.040 don't understand. She's still paperwork is hard. Paperwork is hard, 0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.480 but it just seems like yours, Aaron's. 0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:55.120 It's you know, appointments, it's tough, getting passports. I know, 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:55.640 it's a lot. 0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.640 She's still her legal guardian though, while her mom's in 0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:02.080 the hoste, but old Sabler argues and Kressler's too good. 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:04.000 He's like, she's a de facto guardian, but the state 0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:05.680 doesn't give her the right to make decisions for Emma. 0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:09.000 She's basically a babysitter. Benson looks like she got punched 0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:11.160 in the gut. She's like, bitch, you raise this child. 0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:13.719 You're gonna let them call you a babysitter. Zoe's like, 0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:15.920 I should have legal rights over Emma, but I don't, 0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:17.840 so why should I claim them now when it can 0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:20.319 only hurt her? So the confession is out. You want 0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:22.920 to talk to em again, you talk to me, says Kressler. 0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:26.880 So now top of AAC three, Novak meets Garrett Gillespie. 0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:30.160 He's kind of cute, and he says, Sean's parents called 0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:31.920 and want to know why this eight year old hasn't 0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:32.839 been locked up yet. 0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:35.680 And she tells him about how. 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:40.120 Like these parents are just horny for a little girl 0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:43.440 behind bars in a wig, and she tells him about 0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:45.920 how Kresler got the confession tossed, and he goes, I 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:47.920 don't need a confession to convict her, and Casey's like, 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:49.400 you really want to send an eight year old to 0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:52.799 jail for ten years. And she He's like, she jammed 0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:55.279 the scissors so far into Sean's back, she severed his 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:58.960 spinal cord. Sean tormented her and drove her to the edge. 0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:01.600 Casey argues, belungs in counseling, not Juvie. 0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:04.200 Gillespie goes back, it's not like the kid was like 0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:06.719 I'm gonna fucking paralyze. 0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:09.560 Him, you know, yeah, like fu me alone. You just 0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:10.919 cut my fucking hair off. 0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:14.920 Well, because Harriet the spy had a ponytail cutting moment 0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:18.000 and she got revenge in different ways. 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:23.359 Yeah yeah, And Gillespie's like, that's your opinion, but it's 0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:27.280 my case, tell Sbu to arrest Emma. So now Benson 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:29.600 and Stablers show up at the hospital to get Emma. 0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:32.719 Her grandmother's there saying Emma's off getting juice in the 0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:35.320 hospital room. Zoe and Charlie are at Kate's bedside and 0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:37.279 she looks like she's at death store, Like this woman 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:39.440 does not look good. They explain that they're there to 0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.360 arrest Emma. They all beg them not to. Stablers like 0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:44.759 we have to, Zoe, you promise to bring her in 0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:47.320 and then Kate's mother starts in on Zoe like what 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:48.000 did you do? 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:51.880 She's my granddaughter? What's happening? And Kate's like, can you 0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:54.359 back off? Mom? I'm like dying and you're being very 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:55.120 shrill right now. 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.160 Emma shows up and is like, Olivia says, I have 0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:00.000 to go with her, and Live goes, someone should go 0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:02.520 with us, So Grandma Dearest volunteers to go, and then 0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:05.319 Zoe's goes, no, I'll go, and Keith goes, both of. 0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:05.840 You should go? 0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:10.319 So Lan this actress that plays the grandma, she has 0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:12.000 a face for evil, you know what I mean? 0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:15.800 Yes, she has wicked stepmother energy for sure, and the 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:17.320 yeah she is type cast. 0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:21.920 Yes. So now later Casey approaches Live and is like, 0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:22.400 how did it go? 0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:24.920 Do you know her big her big thing where she 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.360 had one hundred and twenty eight episodes on a show. 0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:30.000 This woman? Yeah, oh no, I didn't look her up. 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:34.759 Tell me Dawson's Creek. Oh who did she play? 0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:40.040 Says Graham's Evelyn Graham's Ryan. So someone's grandma probably. 0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:45.840 Isn't that Michelle Williams grandmother Graham's. It's interesting because somebody 0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:49.959 when rams like grandma, Yeah, yeah, I thought I didn't 0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:52.799 watch the show, but I always remember Michelle Williams having 0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:55.200 like a Graham's, you know, like she didn't have parents. 0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:57.000 I don't think, Yeah, John. 0:42:56.840 --> 0:43:00.400 Lindley is Michelle Williams Jen Lynley and Dawson's. 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:01.200 I think she is Jen. 0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:03.399 I think all the people that listen to Dawson's Creek 0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:05.839 are probably right now screaming at. 0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:07.360 Their I used to watch it. 0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:09.520 This was so long ago, Like I haven't because I 0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:12.640 had a bucket hat, a Dawson's Creek bucket hat, I 0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:17.279 had a Dawson's Creek calendar. Wow, I was into it. 0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:20.200 I watched it, probably only for a few seasons. I mean, 0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:21.719 I was in sixth grade. It's hard to make a 0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:25.200 full on commitment for six seasons. I'm like a you know, 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:27.960 a Jeh hide to high school. Things change. But I 0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:30.719 was very into Dawson's Creek when it came out. But 0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:31.720 I haven't done a rewatch. 0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:35.440 Well, this woman's name is Marybeth Peel, and she's an 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:38.600 American actress and an opera singer. She started as an 0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:42.960 opera singer, a soprano, and you know, she's got a 0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:44.680 fuck ton of opera stuff in here. 0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:47.279 But then yeah, Dawson's Creek. But I was striking the 0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:50.720 other day. She's in Jersey Girl too. Oh but nineteen 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:56.560 ninety two, jetting the Girl that would be Wild. 0:43:57.120 --> 0:44:00.560 I was striking and Michael McKean was at my stanking thing. 0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:04.640 He's from Better Call Saul and his wife is a 0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:07.719 net O'Toole, and everybody was saying that she also was 0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:10.680 on that show as a grandma. So I wonder if 0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:14.920 that's real. Anyway back to reality? Oop, there goes gravity. 0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:15.240 Okay. 0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:19.080 So later Casey approaches Olivia in the Precincton's like, how'd 0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:21.080 it go? And she goes, great, I love putting eight 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:24.000 year olds in lock up overnight. So Casey goes she 0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:26.040 can stay home till the trial. After the family court 0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:29.319 judge lets her out, and we hear home with her grandparents, 0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:31.840 I hope, And we hear some man who looks like 0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:34.560 a full men's rights activist say from behind them, and 0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:37.560 he is James Decker, and he's a lawyer who represents 0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:41.080 the grandparents, and the grandma wants to see Emma, but 0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:41.920 that's not possible. 0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:43.840 She's detained until tomorrow, and she. 0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:47.319 Goes, you're putting my granddaughter in jail and Casey's like, ma'am, 0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:50.359 she did stab a child and paralyze him. And then 0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:52.080 the lawyer pipes in that none of this would have 0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:55.120 happened if Zoe hadn't forced her lifestyle on Emma and 0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:59.600 Kate Kate the mom lifestyle. Benson gets worked up. Your 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:02.960 daughter didn't choose her sexual orientation. She was like, my 0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:05.040 daughter was happy being a wife and a mother until 0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:07.960 Zoe came along. It's like, okay, lady, did you ever 0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:11.840 talk to her about her marriage because sounds like she 0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:15.399 went running. So it's Zoe's fault that your daughter is gay. 0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:18.480 And the lawyer says, well, it's not Emma's and someone 0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:20.920 has to look out for her. And Casey says, the 0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:23.960 court has appointed Emma a lawyer, and he goes, well, 0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:26.879 we'll see about that. So now we're in family court 0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:30.160 where this Gillespie dude is asking Emma be remanded to 0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:32.759 a juvenile facility because she's a violent child. She truly 0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:36.360 has no background of violence, and Crestler is like, your honor, 0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:38.920 this child has zero history of violence and she poses 0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:39.960 no danger to anyone. 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:41.800 She should be released to her parents. 0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:43.920 The judge agrees, but says she has to wear an 0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:47.279 ankle monitor and stay at her mother's house, and Gillespie says, well, 0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:49.200 that's a problem because her mother's in the hospital. She 0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:53.239 has no father or legal guardian. Zoe stands up and 0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:56.360 addresses the judge, explaining that she has as much her 0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:58.839 parent as her mother is, and the judge goes, why 0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:01.960 haven't you adopted her? And she goes, I don't need 0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:04.399 a piece of paper to define my relationship with my daughter, 0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:06.239 and he goes, well, in this court, you do so, 0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:10.040 burn so then James Decker pipes up with a solution. 0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:12.919 The grandparents are happy to take Emma until this matter 0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.800 is resolved. Zoe argues that Emma belongs at home, and 0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:18.200 Kresler argues that there is precedence for a non family 0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:21.239 member to take the child, but Decker's like, only in California, 0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:24.080 and not when blood family members are willing and able, 0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:26.560 And Emma's like, I want to go home with mommy Zoe, 0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:29.120 and the judge says, sorry, Emma can't do it, and 0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:31.360 he scold Zoe for first saying that she had no 0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:33.880 parental rights and then asking for them. You can't have 0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:37.719 it both ways, so he releases Emma to her grandparents. 0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:40.000 She is so sad, but Zoe tells her it's just 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:40.799 for a couple of days. 0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:41.680 Now. 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:44.160 Father Justin shows up to court to talk to Benson 0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:46.400 and ask about Emma's trial, and Benson's like, it is 0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:50.520 not going great, Father Jay, And worst case is if 0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:52.600 the judge thinks she's a danger, she'll go to Juvie 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:55.160 till she's eighteen. And he's like, I got to help, 0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:58.399 like you, I'll testify that Sean tormented her. But Live 0:46:58.520 --> 0:47:01.400 is like, that's hearsay. You weren't you only heard her 0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:04.360 say that he tormented her. We need proof, and like, 0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:06.759 what about the damn ponytail? Is that not enough proof 0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:09.680 about torment? But I guess they need, you know, notes 0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:14.239 emails like whatever witnesses to the torment. He asked, have 0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:17.080 you checked the im logs at the school, and Benson goes, 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:19.839 computers don't save those, which is not true. I've looked 0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:23.360 at many of my old im conversations in retrospect, but 0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:25.160 he says the ones that Saint Victor's do. 0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:28.400 The principal installed software to monitor kids combos. 0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:30.360 Maybe my mom did too, But I remember reading my 0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:33.920 backlogs back in family Court and Sean is up on 0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:37.400 the stand recalling something your mom would do. No, my 0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:41.640 mom's and moron with technology. No, and she's too busy 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:43.000 to spy. She could never spy. 0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:44.160 No. 0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:46.239 I could see my dad getting a little bit into that, 0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:49.600 but not my mom. Nope. And your parent's probably not right. 0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:50.600 Are they spies? 0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:54.040 I don't think there are spies, but they definitely found 0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:57.239 my pipe immediately the first day I smoked. 0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:59.960 Weed cleaning probably right, yeah. 0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:02.400 And then I so then they're like and but I 0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:04.600 didn't want them to get the satisfaction of knowing they 0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:06.560 caught me on the first time. So I was like, 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:13.480 I've been smoking for months, Jesse, you know I'm good 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:16.840 at this. Yeah, that's so cute. 0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:19.640 How old were you? High school? High school? They like 0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:19.960 caught me. 0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:22.440 There was just like a big day where because then 0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:24.640 my dad showed up to play practice to make sure 0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:26.560 I was there, and I was like what And he 0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:27.960 was shocked that I was there. 0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:32.040 But I was, You're like, I'm not a commercial for 0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:33.920 weed smoking. I actually go to the thing. I go 0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:38.640 to swim, I go to a theater. So back in 0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:41.600 Family Court, Shawn's up on the stand recalling the moment 0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:44.520 he found out he was paralyzed. And then Benson shows 0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:46.680 up to court and hands Gillespie a bunch of print 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:49.680 doubts of how horrible I ams that Sean has sent 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:52.879 to Emma, basically rape threats like and she goes, that's 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:55.160 not the worst of them, and he's like, you know, 0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:56.759 I got to share these with the defense, And the 0:48:56.840 --> 0:48:59.000 moment I do, Shawn's cred goes out the window and 0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:02.080 so does yours, and he looks busted and he's like, uh, 0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:04.239 you're on her. I need a thirty minute recess. So 0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:07.239 back at the sixteenth Precinct, Benson's telling us how it 0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:09.360 all got wrapped up, telling Craigan that it took g 0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:11.800 Leslie about ten minutes to agree on a deal, counseling, 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:15.319 anger management, monthly court evaluations, and Emma is back home 0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:18.320 with Zoe. So horay, Emma does not have to have 0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:22.200 her life ruined over paralyzing this child. In walks Blake, 0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:24.640 the lawyer, telling them they need to remove Emma from 0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:27.719 Zoe's custody immediately, and Craigan's like, we can't help you, 0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:30.120 pal unless there's been a crime. Then he drops a 0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:33.359 bomb that Zoe has been sexually abusing Emma ever since 0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:34.160 Kate got sick. 0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:36.960 And they're like, we need to hear this from Emma. 0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:38.879 We haven't heard any of these allegations before. 0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:40.799 We've been spending a lot of time with this child, 0:49:40.840 --> 0:49:43.200 and that's a pretty big coincidence that this is all 0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:46.080 coming out right after Zoe gets custody. So then he 0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:48.880 whips out a photo and says, Emma showed them to 0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:52.120 her grandparents, these photos, and why does a grown woman 0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:54.359 have pictures of herself in bed with a naked eight 0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:57.000 year old? And he says, search the apartment and you'll 0:49:57.000 --> 0:50:00.400 find dozens more like this. So now they're at the apartment. 0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:03.480 Millie Viskroondo is there too. She's just coming down from 0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:06.719 her pixie stick high and she's not finding anything unusual 0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:07.400 on the computer. 0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:09.359 She's like, this is just email and shit. 0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:13.040 The detectives are finding tuition bills, hospital bills, but also 0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:16.040 like pictures of them having family fun, Coney Island Statue 0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:19.279 of Liberty, the met And then Benson finds pictures of 0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:21.719 nude sunbathing and another one of Emma in the tub 0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:24.759 with Zoe, which I don't find weird. 0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:26.399 A lot of people take baths with their kids. 0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:31.040 But then Zoe and Emma come home and Zoe asks 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:33.399 what's going on, and Emma runs right to the couch, 0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:35.799 ball and crying, and they tell Zoe that they need 0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:38.399 to ask her some questions about a complaint, but she says, 0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:40.560 this is a really bad time, and then Benson goes 0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:43.080 to talk to Emma and we find out that sadly 0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:44.400 Kate has died. 0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:45.040 Fuck. 0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:49.400 Very bad timing on the cops part. So top of 0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:53.040 back four at the precinct, Stabler has Zoe in interrogation. 0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:55.960 Emma's gone home with the grandparents and he shows for 0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:58.319 these pictures and she goes, what do you think these. 0:50:58.239 --> 0:50:59.000 Are like porn? 0:50:59.600 --> 0:51:01.279 And he go you got an eight year old lying 0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:04.440 naked in a bed, And Zoe goes, Emma has always 0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:06.560 been shy, so Kate and I wanted her to have 0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:08.800 a positive body image, so we took some pictures of 0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:11.279 her to show her how beautiful she is. Stabler's like, 0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:13.240 self esteem is one thing, but you got her vamping 0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:15.840 for the camera like a playboy model. And it's like, 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:19.279 what did these picture? What are these pictures? If you 0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:21.239 think they're sexy, you're the one with the problem, is 0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:23.920 what Zoe says. She looks like an angel, and she's like, 0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:25.960 what about you and Emma lying naked in bed, and 0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:29.400 Zoe's like, Emma's therapist recommended massage to relieve her stress. 0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:31.640 Kate took these photos on the last day of my 0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:34.920 massage classes. You think I'm because I'm gay, I'm molesting 0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:37.200 my daughter. And Stabler's like, this is not about who 0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:39.040 you are. This is about what Emma said you did 0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:41.200 to her. And she's like, Emma would never say that, 0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:44.080 and Sabler makes a face like hmm, she did though, 0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:48.000 and Zoe looks stunned. So now we're talking to Emma 0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:50.319 about how mommy Zoe made her take her clothes off 0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:52.359 and get in bed and then she touched me. Where 0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:55.040 did she touch you? Emma looks to her grandmother, who's like, 0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:58.000 go ahead tell them. She hesitates. Hwang is there too. 0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:01.680 He and Benson share a look. Olivia's asks the grandmother 0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:03.680 to step out, like so that there can't be any 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:07.480 coaching or anything. Benson asks again, where did she touch you? 0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:10.359 And she goes everywhere down there. She says she didn't 0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:12.160 want it, but Zoe said it would make her feel good. 0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:15.200 How did it make you feel? And she said it 0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:17.080 made me feel bad, like when you tell a lie 0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:19.640 or you eat a burger on Good Friday. And Huang 0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:22.040 jumps in like, oh, you felt guilty, like you were 0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:24.640 doing something you shouldn't be doing. And she goes, I 0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:27.600 knew it was a sin. And he goes, why and 0:52:27.680 --> 0:52:30.120 she goes, because girls aren't supposed to naked touch other girls. 0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:32.600 And he said, do you think it's wrong? Your mommy 0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:36.120 sleep in the same bed, And she says, God says 0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:38.080 it's against nature. Women are supposed to be with men 0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:40.320 or they go to hell, and then they go is 0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:42.200 that what you learned in school? She goes, my grandmom 0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:44.080 told me. She said, mommy, Zoe is going to go 0:52:44.120 --> 0:52:47.080 to hell for what she did. So this is all 0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:49.600 kinds of fday. I mean, we're not supposed to blame 0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:51.839 the victim, but I blame the parents. You sent her 0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:55.640 to get a Catholic education. What did you think that entailed? Yeah, 0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:58.520 I don't joy happiness. What are you talking about? 0:52:59.280 --> 0:52:59.480 Yes? 0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:02.120 And Catholicism is your a sin? 0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:05.279 Everyone's a sin, The baby's a sin, everyone's a sin. 0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:06.040 Yeah. 0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:10.200 But also I think that the grandparents are exacerbating what 0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:14.040 she's like hearing and learning at school Foreshore. So yes, 0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:16.360 the parents are a bit to blame here, but we 0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:19.759 can't speak ill of the dead. Kate is dead, but 0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:23.200 Zoe is still alive. So cut to the debrief, Huang 0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:26.600 says he doubts Zoe molested Emma. Stabler's like, but she 0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:29.080 just said that she did. And He's like, Emma's description 0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:33.000 of the abuse is intellectual, not emotional. Kids say abuse hurts. 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:35.359 Emma called it a sin, and they're like, what about 0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:38.200 the picks? Stabler wants to know, and Howang's like, I 0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:40.440 would have also prescribed massage for Emma if she were 0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:42.760 my patient. So like he's like, the picks seem fine, 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:45.520 and then he goes, well, how do you explain these 0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:50.320 allegations that she's making? And Huang says, parental alienation syndrome, 0:53:50.800 --> 0:53:53.360 and that is partially the title, So do take a 0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:57.120 drink or eat a jellybean. According to Social Work Today, 0:53:57.239 --> 0:53:59.759 which is something I looked up, parental alienation is a 0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:03.200 set of strategies a set of strategies that a parent 0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:06.000 uses to foster a child's rejection of the other parent. 0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:09.680 Parental alienation syndrome develops in children who come to hate, fear, 0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:12.319 and reject the targeted parent as someone unworthy of having 0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:14.759 a relationship with them. And I feel like we hear 0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:17.920 about this all the time, we see this on like 0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:20.600 in real life. But Stabler's like, I thought that was 0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:22.880 just when couples split up and the mom brainwashes the 0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:25.800 kids into thinking the dad's a bastard. And it's like, okay, Stabler, 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:29.080 like a man's never done this Parendal alienation, Give me 0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:31.000 a break. You've been working in SVU at this point 0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:34.600 for at least seven or eight years. Huang says, the 0:54:34.680 --> 0:54:37.160 same thing is happening here, only the grandmother is turning 0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:39.360 the child against Zoe. It's like, just doesn't have to 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:43.080 be between a heterosexual couple. Why would Emma go along 0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:46.000 with it? And Huang says her grandmother is manipulating her 0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:49.520 into believing it. Benson is talking to Casey, who says, 0:54:49.640 --> 0:54:52.359 at the very least, it's custodial interference. At the most, 0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:54.960 it's reckless endangerment. But Benson says, they'll only get a 0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:57.560 slap on the wrist. Casey goes, unless we can prove 0:54:57.800 --> 0:55:00.640 unlawful imprisonment. They kept a little all away from her 0:55:00.680 --> 0:55:03.360 lawful home by making her lie about abuse, which they 0:55:03.440 --> 0:55:05.320 only did because Zoe is gay, which makes it a 0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:08.280 hate crime, a de felony. They could get seven years boom. 0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:10.280 I love when Novak works for a little law magic 0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:14.240 like that. So Novak goes arrest them, Benson is Stabler 0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:17.279 go arrest the oldies for unlawful imprisonment. They're like, you 0:55:17.400 --> 0:55:19.279 filled the Emma's head with lies to keep her away 0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:21.320 from her mother, and Grandma's. 0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:23.680 Like Zoe's ruining her life. It's our moral duty to 0:55:23.760 --> 0:55:24.520 protect Emma. 0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:27.480 And then Stabler goes, how about thou shalt not bear 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:30.480 false witness my guys, and I love it when he 0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:33.680 has Catholic comebacks. It really helps me because I feel 0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:36.920 like he understands the nuances of Catholicism where there are 0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:40.560 some In court, the parents are on trial and Zoe 0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:43.920 is on the stand. Zoe is testifying that Emma's grandparents 0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:46.680 tricked Emma into saying she'd been molested, but Zoe knows 0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:49.920 it's not Emma's fault. She Emma now understands that Zoe 0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:51.120 did not hurt her in any way. 0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:54.040 She goes, she's just sad all the time. Now, it's 0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:56.520 really sad when she says that, yeah, because it's also 0:55:56.640 --> 0:55:59.359 like her mom just died. Her mom just died. 0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:01.640 She just had this traumatic thing happened where she hurt 0:56:01.719 --> 0:56:04.320 this kid, She had her fucking ponytail cut off and 0:56:04.440 --> 0:56:07.239 was tormented for months. It's like this is all like 0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:10.520 probably the worst period of her little life. And so 0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:14.759 she says it's not just because her biological mother just died. 0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:16.759 She woke up the other day crying and that she 0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:19.480 dreamed that her mom died and the police took Zoe 0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:21.359 to jail and that she cried out and no one 0:56:21.440 --> 0:56:22.000 could hear her. 0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:25.000 So that sort of like is what's happening. 0:56:25.160 --> 0:56:28.200 So here come the grandparents lawyer and his punchable face 0:56:28.320 --> 0:56:30.919 going how long has Emma been in therapy to Zoe, 0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:34.680 and Zoe goes, six months since this kid's at school 0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:37.800 started teasing her for having two moms, And I was like, also, 0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:39.719 her mom dying is a great reason for her to 0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:41.960 be in therapy, Like her mom being sick is a 0:56:42.000 --> 0:56:44.239 great reason for her to be in therapy. So in 0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:47.080 three years at Saint Victor's, the teasing only started recently 0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:49.840 because you insisted on making your presence known at school. 0:56:50.040 --> 0:56:53.120 This little asshole says, Zoe goes, Emma needed a parent 0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:56.040 for school functions, and he goes, and you needed to 0:56:56.080 --> 0:56:57.800 make a point that you were gay, and the school 0:56:57.880 --> 0:57:00.520 better not discriminate against you. When they got angry at 0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:02.520 your lie, you took them to court. She goes, it 0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:04.399 was important to take a stand, and he goes, more 0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:07.960 important than Emma's happiness. Why not enroll her in another school? 0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:09.680 She says, I didn't want her to be ashamed that 0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:11.920 her moms are lesbians. So you had an eight year 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:14.520 old fight your battles. She said, no, never. If you 0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:16.120 love her so much, why did you make her stay 0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:19.040 at Saint Victor's even though she hated it? So Zoe 0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:20.880 like kind of breaks down and goes, if I had 0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:22.880 to do it all over again, I would do it differently. 0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:25.400 And the lawyer says, but you didn't know, and now 0:57:25.520 --> 0:57:28.080 Sean hammil will never walk again, and Casey objects because 0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:30.080 I don't think that's relevant in this case. And the 0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:33.760 judge is Georgie from Sisters Patricia Callimber. She doesn't even 0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.840 get to rule because Zoe immediately interrupts and says, if 0:57:36.880 --> 0:57:38.720 I could change it, I would. I made a mistake 0:57:38.760 --> 0:57:40.720 and I'm sorry, She's like kind of falling on her 0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:43.560 sword immediately about this. And now the grandma is on 0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:47.480 the stand saying how Emma was happy until eight months ago. 0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:51.120 When she was she became scared and lonely, and Zoe 0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:53.680 was either at work or at the hospital all the time. 0:57:53.960 --> 0:57:56.160 They asked if Emma could stay with them after school, 0:57:56.240 --> 0:57:57.240 but Zoe didn't like that. 0:57:57.520 --> 0:57:58.160 I wonder why. 0:57:58.640 --> 0:58:01.440 And that's when she made Kate write her will. Kate 0:58:01.560 --> 0:58:04.280 was getting sicker and sicker and barely recognized her own parents, 0:58:04.320 --> 0:58:06.760 but Zoe wanted full custody. So the Grandma's trying to 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:09.520 make it seem like Zoe wit, like, played a long game, 0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:12.320 dated a woman for ten fucking years, had a kid 0:58:12.400 --> 0:58:14.560 with her, and then waited until she got six so 0:58:14.640 --> 0:58:16.080 she could have her write her into the will and 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:18.160 get the kid, Like, what are you even talking about? 0:58:18.760 --> 0:58:22.160 The grandmother denies asking Emma to make false allegations against Zoe. 0:58:22.360 --> 0:58:24.800 She says she simply asked an unhappy girl why she 0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:27.600 was unhappy. Now, Casey gets her turn in the ring 0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:30.040 and she shows Grandma the will and goes, look, it's 0:58:30.080 --> 0:58:33.000 been co signed by her ex, Ray Monahan, Charlie's dad, 0:58:33.400 --> 0:58:35.320 he thought she was loocid enough to sign the will, 0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:38.040 And the grandmother is like, Kate wasn't thinking clearly, She 0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:40.680 just didn't want to hurt Zoe. She wasn't thinking about 0:58:40.680 --> 0:58:43.960 the best home for Zoe, and like, wouldn't you be 0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:46.160 thinking of nothing else on your deathbed? Like if you 0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:48.240 were dying, You're like, what's going to happen to my kids? 0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:50.200 You'd be obviously thinking of what's the best home for 0:58:50.280 --> 0:58:52.760 my child? And Casey's like, oh, the best home, so 0:58:52.880 --> 0:58:55.840 like the best heterosexual home. And then she goes, do 0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:57.720 you think gay people should be allowed to raise children? 0:58:57.840 --> 0:59:00.840 And the grandma says, ideally, know, I think children should 0:59:00.840 --> 0:59:04.120 be raised by their father and their mother. So Casey goes, 0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:06.480 you made these allegations up against Zoe because your faith 0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:08.840 rejects the idea of a gay woman raising your granddaughter. 0:59:09.120 --> 0:59:11.520 And the grandmother goes, it's not just faith. I've read 0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:14.360 about what happens. What will happen to Emma if Zoe 0:59:14.520 --> 0:59:18.600 raises her, she'll grow up sexually confused, promiscuous, and experimenting 0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:22.080 with homosexual relationships. And Novak's like, where are you getting 0:59:22.160 --> 0:59:24.960 all of this? And the Grandma's like, studies, and she 0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:27.000 goes like, there's a study I read that said kids 0:59:27.080 --> 0:59:29.600 raised by gay couples are forty eight times more likely 0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:32.440 to be molested by their parents, which is such an 0:59:32.480 --> 0:59:35.919 insanely fake statistic, Like forty eight times is so over 0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:38.760 the top crazy, and she goes, where did you get 0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:43.120 these studies? I love Casey when she's like, tell me more, 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:46.280 where did these fucking studies come from? And the grandma goes, 0:59:46.360 --> 0:59:48.360 my attorney showed them to me, And then the camera 0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:51.440 cuts right to the lawyer's face, Decker, and he looks busted, 0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:54.160 like he looks a little sick, and then they go 0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:56.320 She goes, when did he show them to you? And 0:59:56.440 --> 1:00:00.760 he objects, but Judge Georgie overrules and she says, during 1:00:00.800 --> 1:00:03.760 Emma's trial and family court, oh, so just before you 1:00:03.840 --> 1:00:06.880 accused Zoe of abuse. Yes, what I read made me 1:00:06.920 --> 1:00:09.120 start looking for clues, and when we found the photos, 1:00:09.160 --> 1:00:10.960 we knew we had to ask Emma what was going on. 1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:13.760 And Casey goes, oh, and did your lawyer tell you 1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:16.160 what to ask? And he objects that this is a 1:00:16.240 --> 1:00:19.240 violation of attorney client privilege and Casey goes up, privilege 1:00:19.280 --> 1:00:22.600 protects the client, not the attorney, your honor, Judge Georgie 1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:27.720 allows it. Decker said, to be forceful. Sometimes molested children 1:00:27.760 --> 1:00:30.160 need to be led to the truth. The grandma says so. 1:00:30.320 --> 1:00:33.960 Then Casey says, your honor, Decker coached his clients into 1:00:34.040 --> 1:00:36.400 manipulating an abuse allegation out of a child. And he goes, 1:00:36.440 --> 1:00:39.360 I only offer advice, and Casey goes, they never would 1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:41.480 have accused Zoe of molestation had it not been for 1:00:41.600 --> 1:00:44.800 mister Decker. The judges like approach the bench. Decker goes, 1:00:44.920 --> 1:00:48.120 she has no basis, and Casey goes, watch this, bitch. 1:00:48.240 --> 1:00:50.840 You have a history of representing straight clients fighting custody 1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:53.560 battles with their gay exes. You fed your clients anti 1:00:53.640 --> 1:00:56.120 gay material before custody was even an issue, because you 1:00:56.160 --> 1:00:58.240 were gearing up for a fight. You conspired to keep 1:00:58.320 --> 1:01:00.600 Zoe from Emma, which means you have committed a hate crime. 1:01:00.920 --> 1:01:03.160 He says, that's ridiculous and you can't prove any of it. 1:01:03.800 --> 1:01:05.840 Judge Georgie goes, well, at the very least, this is 1:01:05.920 --> 1:01:08.680 a serious breach of ethical conduct. I have to remove 1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:12.000 you as counsel and declare a mistrial. Now we cut 1:01:12.080 --> 1:01:15.400 to Novak offering the grandparents a plea arrangement in exchange 1:01:15.400 --> 1:01:17.919 for their testimony against Decker, And they're like, why would 1:01:17.920 --> 1:01:21.080 we testify against him? And she goes, he manipulated you, 1:01:21.200 --> 1:01:23.800 guys with faulty research. Gay parents are not forty eight 1:01:23.840 --> 1:01:26.640 times more likely to molest to molest their children. The 1:01:26.800 --> 1:01:29.640 article I read says differently, which is literally the problem 1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:32.280 with America. Like the article I read says differently is 1:01:32.360 --> 1:01:34.440 the problem with the United States of America right now, 1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:38.280 because you can find any crazy shit anywhere that supports 1:01:38.320 --> 1:01:41.600 what you believe. The article you read has been debunked, honey. 1:01:41.680 --> 1:01:43.720 The guy who wrote it has been expelled from the 1:01:43.920 --> 1:01:48.320 entire profession for misrepresenting stats. The American Academy of Pediatrics, 1:01:48.360 --> 1:01:51.400 the National Associates of Social Workers always all say that 1:01:51.560 --> 1:01:53.600 kids raised in gay homes are just as happy as 1:01:53.680 --> 1:01:56.200 kids raising straight homes. He lied to you to further 1:01:56.280 --> 1:01:58.960 his agenda and you and to make an example of 1:01:59.000 --> 1:02:02.840 the damage homosexual is doing to society. And they're like, oh, no, 1:02:03.080 --> 1:02:06.640 we just wanted to protect Emma enters Zoe, who wants 1:02:06.680 --> 1:02:08.840 to come in and speak to the grandparents. They start 1:02:08.880 --> 1:02:12.040 apologizing profusely. They're like, we just want we're trying to 1:02:12.080 --> 1:02:14.440 do what was best for Emma. Casey stands up for 1:02:14.520 --> 1:02:16.480 them a little bit and is like, listen, James Decker 1:02:16.680 --> 1:02:18.600 was taking advantage of them, and I know it could 1:02:18.640 --> 1:02:20.840 be hard to forgive them. And Zoe's like, it's not 1:02:20.960 --> 1:02:23.760 going to happen. And the grandmother's like, please Zoe, and 1:02:23.880 --> 1:02:26.120 she goes, you turn my baby against me. You convinced 1:02:26.120 --> 1:02:28.600 her I'm a child molester. How could I ever trust 1:02:28.680 --> 1:02:32.120 you again? Zoe walks out, grabs Emma, and they leave, 1:02:32.280 --> 1:02:34.800 and then as they're walking out, Emma briefly looks back 1:02:34.840 --> 1:02:35.680 and shares a look. 1:02:35.560 --> 1:02:39.360 With Olivia and that baby is dick Wolf. 1:02:40.880 --> 1:02:41.080 Yeah. 1:02:41.880 --> 1:02:44.160 I kind of forgot this episode until we rewatched it. 1:02:45.480 --> 1:02:45.680 Well. 1:02:45.760 --> 1:02:48.400 I also thought that being a parent makes you less selfish, 1:02:48.480 --> 1:02:51.200 and it seems like everyone's very selfish in this episode. 1:02:51.920 --> 1:02:55.240 No one is thinking of baby Emma. Nobody, oh yes, 1:02:55.880 --> 1:02:59.000 except wildly the priest. This is the one episode where 1:02:59.040 --> 1:03:00.800 a priest is a good past He was doing good. 1:03:02.640 --> 1:03:04.360 We stand Father Justin. 1:03:04.640 --> 1:03:07.360 We love Father Justin. He's checking im. 1:03:07.200 --> 1:03:10.080 Logs, he's counseling children, he lets you use his car 1:03:10.160 --> 1:03:11.280 whenever you fucking want. 1:03:11.880 --> 1:03:12.959 I love Father Justin. 1:03:13.640 --> 1:03:16.720 Yeah, what a nice twist of an episode. Father Justin 1:03:16.960 --> 1:03:21.720 is correct. It's almost kind one of all. Well, good 1:03:21.800 --> 1:03:26.320 luck to Emma and listen to these ads. Yeah she 1:03:26.520 --> 1:03:29.680 you know, she turned gothic in high school though totally. 1:03:30.080 --> 1:03:32.640 She had a lot going on. And she's wearing blacklist 1:03:32.760 --> 1:03:33.080 stick and. 1:03:33.120 --> 1:03:36.280 A dog collar, probably borrowing one of mommy Zoe's like 1:03:36.400 --> 1:03:39.040 cool belts, like studded belts, like she had kind of 1:03:39.200 --> 1:03:40.560 rock star wardrobe going on. 1:03:41.160 --> 1:03:42.360 All right, I can't wait for. 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:44.080 Well. 1:03:44.120 --> 1:03:46.960 Also thinking of poor Charlie. He's just crying at home alone. 1:03:47.120 --> 1:03:50.200 No one's paying attention. His mom's dead, everyone's in court. 1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:55.800 He's got the body like his dad's like you okay, kid, 1:03:56.000 --> 1:03:59.760 I gotta go to work, all right, all. 1:03:59.680 --> 1:04:16.040 Right, well i'll be back. We'll be back, Okay. 1:04:17.520 --> 1:04:21.320 So this I'm gonna go over a case and then 1:04:21.360 --> 1:04:24.560 a concept. So we have a couple things going on 1:04:25.160 --> 1:04:26.080 with this episode. 1:04:26.280 --> 1:04:26.760 Alien. 1:04:27.320 --> 1:04:29.480 I didn't realize it was for Alienation, and the whole 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:31.280 time I was like, why is it called alien? 1:04:31.720 --> 1:04:32.760 But now I get it. 1:04:33.080 --> 1:04:33.280 I know. 1:04:33.520 --> 1:04:34.960 At first when I heard of this, when we were 1:04:35.000 --> 1:04:36.280 gonna do this episode, I was like, oh, is this 1:04:36.400 --> 1:04:39.840 one of the ones where like people are like immigrants 1:04:39.960 --> 1:04:42.439 or something, and because you know, like illegal aliens or whatever, 1:04:42.520 --> 1:04:44.040 is like I feel like what they used to call people. 1:04:44.320 --> 1:04:45.400 And I was like, oh, I bet this is like 1:04:45.440 --> 1:04:48.800 an old immigration one. My old green card says alien 1:04:48.840 --> 1:04:51.120 on time. Yeah, yeah, it was an official term. I 1:04:51.160 --> 1:04:53.000 thought it was an immigration one, is what I'm saying. 1:04:53.040 --> 1:04:54.600 I don't think they say it anymore, though, do they, 1:04:54.640 --> 1:04:56.120 because it just sounds so like rude. 1:04:57.000 --> 1:05:00.440 Well I was three, So mine's alien. Let's see what 1:05:00.480 --> 1:05:01.320 the green card says. 1:05:01.440 --> 1:05:01.560 Now. 1:05:01.920 --> 1:05:04.040 Yeah, I'm just wondering if they got rid of that, Like, 1:05:04.920 --> 1:05:09.200 I don't think there is. I don't think they did. Oh, 1:05:09.280 --> 1:05:09.560 you're right. 1:05:09.600 --> 1:05:15.200 It says the United States of America Permanent resident. Okay, okay, 1:05:15.360 --> 1:05:17.520 so yeah, no green cards. I think that term has 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:20.080 been phased out, is all I'm saying. So I have 1:05:20.200 --> 1:05:24.680 a vintage green card. Yes, baby, cool, let's frame it. 1:05:25.400 --> 1:05:29.200 I do look so sad and cute. Okay, I'm glad 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:31.920 they're not calling alien like you come here and then 1:05:31.960 --> 1:05:32.720 it says alien. 1:05:33.200 --> 1:05:37.280 Yeah, we're back to reality. This is the case of. 1:05:37.400 --> 1:05:42.000 Sharon Bottom's matts, and so Sharon was a central figure 1:05:42.080 --> 1:05:44.440 in a super long court battle in the nineties, and 1:05:44.560 --> 1:05:46.880 she ended up losing custody of her son to her 1:05:47.000 --> 1:05:50.040 mother after Virginia courts ruled that she was an unfit 1:05:50.200 --> 1:05:53.120 parent because she was in a same sex relationship. 1:05:53.800 --> 1:05:54.560 So fucked up. 1:05:54.720 --> 1:05:56.720 This whole case is really fucked up, and it did 1:05:56.840 --> 1:05:59.479 change a lot of legislation. I think post this case 1:05:59.520 --> 1:06:01.640 there were a lot of protections made and then like 1:06:02.120 --> 1:06:05.919 obviously gay marriage became legal. But this was a big 1:06:06.280 --> 1:06:07.560 Bottoms versus Bottoms. 1:06:08.360 --> 1:06:12.560 Wow. So this did influence a lot of things and 1:06:12.720 --> 1:06:13.520 was a big case. 1:06:13.720 --> 1:06:17.240 So in nineteen ninety one, Sharon Bottoms gave birth to 1:06:17.320 --> 1:06:20.240 her son, Tyler Destau. I don't know how to say 1:06:20.280 --> 1:06:22.840 his last name, but his name is Tyler. And she 1:06:22.960 --> 1:06:25.640 was already divorced from the boy's father and he was 1:06:25.680 --> 1:06:26.760 not involved in raising the. 1:06:26.840 --> 1:06:27.640 Child at all. 1:06:27.960 --> 1:06:31.120 About a year later, Sharon formed a household with April 1:06:31.200 --> 1:06:34.840 Wade and Tyler, and this was right outside Richmond, Virginia. 1:06:35.240 --> 1:06:39.280 So she met April, they fell in love, they're together and. 1:06:39.320 --> 1:06:44.760 They're raising Tyler, and her mom, Kay Bottoms, was like, no, no, no, no, 1:06:45.160 --> 1:06:48.160 you fucking lesbians, I'm gaining custody of Tyler. 1:06:48.760 --> 1:06:52.160 She's a homophobic bitch. There's no real way around it. 1:06:52.560 --> 1:06:54.440 In quotes, the boy is a bundle of joy and 1:06:54.480 --> 1:06:57.760 shouldn't be raised by lesbians and calling another woman dada. 1:06:58.160 --> 1:07:00.280 I don't care how my daughter lives her life, but 1:07:00.400 --> 1:07:03.360 Tyler isn't going to be mentally and physically harmed because 1:07:03.400 --> 1:07:07.320 of their relationship. It's unfit. So that's a quote from 1:07:07.520 --> 1:07:11.920 Grandma Bottoms. The court case lasted for three years and 1:07:12.040 --> 1:07:15.320 the Virginia branch of the American Civil Liberties Union handled 1:07:15.400 --> 1:07:18.680 most of Sharon's legal defense. Like I said, it became 1:07:18.840 --> 1:07:22.240 like a big star and a lot of stuff, and 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:24.440 it scared the shit out of gay people all across 1:07:24.520 --> 1:07:24.840 the nation. 1:07:25.880 --> 1:07:27.800 So her lawyer was Donald K. 1:07:27.960 --> 1:07:30.680 Butler, and he said the intense news media interests took 1:07:30.680 --> 1:07:33.240 everyone by surprise, and that like he was just being 1:07:33.320 --> 1:07:36.600 reached out to for so many interviews about the case, 1:07:36.720 --> 1:07:40.640 and like you know, there was a frenzy. Her former husband, Dennis, 1:07:41.480 --> 1:07:44.520 testified in support of Sharon and believed that she should 1:07:44.520 --> 1:07:47.520 have custody. So the dad was like, let Sharon raise 1:07:47.560 --> 1:07:50.120 our childs And it was just like a fucked up case, 1:07:50.280 --> 1:07:52.400 like in the courtroom, because a lot of intimate and 1:07:52.480 --> 1:07:55.960 personal details had to come out. So Sharon had to admit, like, yes, 1:07:56.040 --> 1:07:59.080 I've kissed Wade in front of Tyler again, who cares? 1:07:59.680 --> 1:08:02.440 They so forced her to admit that in private she 1:08:02.600 --> 1:08:06.760 engaged in oral sex, which in Virginia counted as sodomy 1:08:07.280 --> 1:08:12.920 and was considered a felony and not decriminalized until twenty fourteen. 1:08:13.240 --> 1:08:17.000 Oh my god, So that's what they used to like 1:08:17.120 --> 1:08:18.040 take her son away? 1:08:18.920 --> 1:08:19.880 Oh my god. 1:08:20.840 --> 1:08:21.080 Yeah. 1:08:22.200 --> 1:08:26.240 The judge Boufford and Parsons found that bottom mats and 1:08:26.320 --> 1:08:30.120 quotes conduct if illegal and immoral and renders her an 1:08:30.200 --> 1:08:35.960 unfit parent. So because she had oral sex with her 1:08:36.080 --> 1:08:40.160 partner in private, they said she's immoral and an unfit parent. 1:08:40.840 --> 1:08:43.680 But our heterosexual couples allowed to be going down on 1:08:43.760 --> 1:08:45.920 each other in the great state of Virginia at this time. 1:08:48.520 --> 1:08:50.840 I mean, if you wanted to take someone to courtny thing, 1:08:50.880 --> 1:08:53.280 you could, but I don't. I don't know how I 1:08:53.360 --> 1:08:56.040 didn't look for like other examples. Wow, well, of course, 1:08:56.040 --> 1:08:57.360 because it probably would never happen. 1:08:57.520 --> 1:08:57.720 Yeah. 1:08:58.280 --> 1:09:02.000 No, And so because of that, Sharon was only allowed 1:09:02.000 --> 1:09:04.040 to see her two year old son from Monday morning 1:09:04.120 --> 1:09:07.040 to Tuesday night, but she couldn't take him to the 1:09:07.120 --> 1:09:10.280 home she shared with Wade because Wade had no visitation 1:09:10.479 --> 1:09:14.879 rights and in the deal or whatever in the sentence, 1:09:15.920 --> 1:09:18.920 Wade was not allowed to see this child at all. 1:09:19.160 --> 1:09:20.960 And it sucked because she had a bond with the kid, 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:23.960 and she has to meet her son because of all this, 1:09:24.280 --> 1:09:26.120 and like she couldn't bring her home and she couldn't 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:28.559 really afford hotel rooms all the time, so she had 1:09:28.600 --> 1:09:31.519 to meet her son at friend's houses or parks. And 1:09:32.439 --> 1:09:34.200 I love that the court and her mother thought a 1:09:34.240 --> 1:09:36.760 two year old was better without a loving parent, for 1:09:37.120 --> 1:09:39.400 you know, than a kid, Like a two year old 1:09:39.400 --> 1:09:42.400 doesn't understand, Like a two year old's not like why 1:09:42.479 --> 1:09:43.040 are they gay? 1:09:43.200 --> 1:09:44.200 Like they don't know what gay is. 1:09:45.200 --> 1:09:47.639 Like two year olds would rather be with their mother, 1:09:48.040 --> 1:09:51.080 Like yes, you're not thinking about the like about the 1:09:51.280 --> 1:09:57.280 child at fucking all this it's always about reunification. It's 1:09:57.320 --> 1:09:59.640 always about being with like your parent if there's no 1:09:59.720 --> 1:10:03.200 a happening. So it's like so fucked up that Virginia, 1:10:03.360 --> 1:10:06.320 the courts, this grandmother all thought a two year old 1:10:08.200 --> 1:10:11.320 would be in more danger with two just women. Like 1:10:11.479 --> 1:10:14.559 it really is so fucked up. I didn't know about 1:10:14.560 --> 1:10:15.000 this case. 1:10:15.080 --> 1:10:16.120 It was like so fucked up. 1:10:16.680 --> 1:10:19.400 So both Sharon and her mom did interviews with magazines 1:10:19.439 --> 1:10:23.120 and TV shows, but her so her mom lived in 1:10:23.160 --> 1:10:26.080 a mobile home in Spotsylvania County. 1:10:28.720 --> 1:10:33.960 I just Spotsylvania. What do Dalmatians come from? 1:10:34.040 --> 1:10:34.200 There? 1:10:34.439 --> 1:10:34.479 Like? 1:10:34.720 --> 1:10:37.479 I just I wrote that in all caps. I was 1:10:37.560 --> 1:10:41.000 just really taken by the county's name. So the mom. 1:10:41.160 --> 1:10:42.920 One of the press things she did, she went on 1:10:43.000 --> 1:10:47.240 Sally Jesse Rafael's show and said her daughter was in quotes, 1:10:47.960 --> 1:10:50.840 doing drugs, She partied, she wanted to have a good time. 1:10:51.200 --> 1:10:53.519 I've threatened her many times. I was going to take him. 1:10:53.840 --> 1:10:56.400 But in my head, I'm like, well, if she was straight, 1:10:56.600 --> 1:10:59.680 would that have been an issue her partying? Like you 1:10:59.720 --> 1:11:02.960 didn't go to court and say my daughter is partying 1:11:03.040 --> 1:11:07.120 too much? You said she's a lesbian. Yeah, so like, 1:11:07.320 --> 1:11:10.439 stop pretending that these are the things that made you 1:11:10.640 --> 1:11:12.920 upset when you went to court for something different. And 1:11:12.960 --> 1:11:14.920 I know for a fact if this woman was straight, 1:11:14.960 --> 1:11:17.160 you wouldn't have cared. If she was still a dentist partying, 1:11:17.760 --> 1:11:22.080 they would not have gone to court. Right right, fuck you, Sharon, 1:11:22.280 --> 1:11:24.680 She's still alive. We should go find her. So then 1:11:24.760 --> 1:11:29.800 Sharon was like my mom's living boyfriend repeatedly sexually assaulted me. 1:11:30.520 --> 1:11:32.040 And the mom was like, that's a lie. 1:11:32.640 --> 1:11:34.680 But Sharon said that she had been bolested by her 1:11:34.760 --> 1:11:36.479 mother's boyfriend since she was twelve years old. 1:11:36.479 --> 1:11:39.280 Oh my god, and no one cared. 1:11:40.560 --> 1:11:43.000 They would rather send her to a grandmother with a 1:11:43.080 --> 1:11:47.040 man who could have been sexually abusing Sharon for decades 1:11:47.280 --> 1:11:48.439 over a loving home. 1:11:48.960 --> 1:11:51.240 And could sexually abuse Tyler. Yeah. 1:11:52.360 --> 1:11:55.760 Then, in nineteen ninety four, a Virginia Court of Appeals 1:11:55.840 --> 1:11:59.400 panel ruled unanimously that Miss Matt's aka Sharon, should have 1:11:59.400 --> 1:12:02.680 primary cust of her son. The state Supreme Court said 1:12:02.720 --> 1:12:07.000 that homosexuality alone could not be grounds for denying custody. Duh, 1:12:08.160 --> 1:12:11.439 but you know, no excitement here. Her legal victory was 1:12:11.640 --> 1:12:14.320 very short lived. The lawyer for the mother filed an 1:12:14.320 --> 1:12:18.439 appeal immediately, and also during this time, the custody arrangement 1:12:18.560 --> 1:12:20.840 never changed, so she still was only able to see 1:12:20.880 --> 1:12:24.840 her like sn Mondays and Tuesdays. So the later court hearing, 1:12:24.960 --> 1:12:26.600 they like kept going to court, Like I said, this 1:12:26.720 --> 1:12:29.880 lasted forever, so ohed the whatever this. 1:12:30.040 --> 1:12:30.800 Judge William G. 1:12:31.040 --> 1:12:34.240 Boyce was not happy that Sharon and Wade cooperated with 1:12:34.400 --> 1:12:37.880 producers of a TV movie. There was a TV movie 1:12:37.920 --> 1:12:40.839 made about two mother It was called Two Mothers for Zachary. 1:12:41.840 --> 1:12:44.960 It aired in nineteen ninety six, but Sharon was not 1:12:45.120 --> 1:12:49.479 paid for the film, so who cares. But also the 1:12:49.560 --> 1:12:53.120 grandmother was on Sally's Just Raphael, So right, how are 1:12:53.200 --> 1:12:56.519 you punishing one person for doing Hollywood stuff and not another. 1:12:56.720 --> 1:13:00.519 I mean, it's all homophobia, Like that's what's all of 1:13:00.600 --> 1:13:03.280 these semantic games. Whatever they're trying to convince themselves of, 1:13:03.479 --> 1:13:06.920 is like such all bullshit. But this movie starred Valerie 1:13:06.960 --> 1:13:10.560 Burtnelli and Vanessa Redgrave in September nineteen ninety six, and 1:13:11.160 --> 1:13:13.000 so the movie became part of a case if anyone 1:13:13.040 --> 1:13:13.640 wants to watch it. 1:13:14.400 --> 1:13:16.880 So in nineteen ninety five, the case of Bottom's v. 1:13:17.040 --> 1:13:19.519 Bottoms reached the Virginia Supreme Court, and in a four 1:13:19.600 --> 1:13:23.200 to three decision, the court determined that the moral climate 1:13:23.439 --> 1:13:26.240 in miss Matt's home made her under made her an 1:13:26.320 --> 1:13:27.440 unfit custodian. 1:13:27.560 --> 1:13:29.920 At this time, I'm like about to throw my computer 1:13:30.000 --> 1:13:30.720 across the room. 1:13:31.200 --> 1:13:35.920 Yeah, yeah, So the grandma got permanent custody of Tyler, 1:13:37.479 --> 1:13:41.759 and like bullshit, that never happens, Like Virginia like fuck everyone. 1:13:42.479 --> 1:13:45.879 A justice named A Christian Compton said that the condition 1:13:46.080 --> 1:13:50.000 stemming from active lesbianism practiced in the home may impose 1:13:50.040 --> 1:13:53.400 a burden upon a child because of the social condemnation 1:13:53.640 --> 1:13:57.000 attached to such an arrangement. In quotes by the Washington Post, 1:13:57.640 --> 1:14:01.920 but the social condemnation is coming from you. Yeah, if 1:14:01.960 --> 1:14:06.360 you guys weren't socially condemning, she would be chill. The 1:14:06.680 --> 1:14:10.680 tyler wouldn't know anything. It's like punishing a mother for 1:14:10.800 --> 1:14:15.240 how other is in the town bully without it's the bullies. 1:14:15.280 --> 1:14:16.440 Because that's how I always. 1:14:16.120 --> 1:14:18.720 Feel when people talk about gay children of like, oh, 1:14:18.800 --> 1:14:21.840 it's higher rates of you know, death by suicide and 1:14:21.880 --> 1:14:23.640 all this stuff. And it's like, yeah, but if you 1:14:23.680 --> 1:14:25.679 were nicer to them, they wouldn't be so upset. Yeah, 1:14:25.920 --> 1:14:28.400 they wouldn't have to run away from home and do 1:14:28.560 --> 1:14:30.320 whatever they need to do to survive, right, And then 1:14:30.360 --> 1:14:32.800 of course they're sad their parents kick them out right. 1:14:33.320 --> 1:14:36.400 I to me, it's like, how is no one seeing 1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:42.920 this that's living there. The social condemnation comes from the 1:14:42.960 --> 1:14:46.200 people punishing time. The social condemnation is coming from inside 1:14:46.240 --> 1:14:50.360 the house, Like yeah, fucking crazy we're gonna take you 1:14:50.400 --> 1:14:53.080 out of the home because you're gay and we hate you. 1:14:53.720 --> 1:14:56.880 Yeah, and we would not want your kid to find 1:14:56.920 --> 1:14:58.799 out and have to deal with your gayness. 1:14:59.080 --> 1:15:00.720 Yeah, oh my god. 1:15:00.840 --> 1:15:04.040 So finally, in nineteen ninety six, she abandoned her legal 1:15:04.120 --> 1:15:06.080 fight and never gave an interview again. 1:15:05.920 --> 1:15:06.960 For the rest of her life. 1:15:07.760 --> 1:15:11.879 Sadly, Matt's died January twenty first, twenty nineteen and Richland's, 1:15:11.880 --> 1:15:16.240 North Carolina, at forty years old, due to cancer. Little 1:15:16.360 --> 1:15:18.559 is known about her early years or what happened after 1:15:18.680 --> 1:15:22.040 nineteen ninety six. According to Facebook, she married Bill Matts 1:15:22.120 --> 1:15:24.000 in twenty twelve and was the co owner of a 1:15:24.080 --> 1:15:28.240 kennel in North Carolina. Her son, I think is now 1:15:28.320 --> 1:15:30.720 twenty seven. I think this is up today. But he's 1:15:30.760 --> 1:15:33.960 in his twenties, late twenties, and he's served in the military, 1:15:34.400 --> 1:15:36.519 And I am thinking, like how different his life would 1:15:36.520 --> 1:15:38.280 have been if he was just with his mom versus 1:15:38.400 --> 1:15:40.200 like obviously a hateful grandmother. 1:15:40.800 --> 1:15:44.120 So it's like, I just don't understand why. 1:15:44.400 --> 1:15:47.080 Hate, Like why teaching your kid to hate gay people 1:15:48.280 --> 1:15:52.680 is better than just being gay? Yeah, But Okay, So 1:15:52.760 --> 1:15:55.640 he served in the military, he lives in Virginia, and 1:15:55.760 --> 1:15:57.600 he did do a post tribute to his mother on 1:15:57.720 --> 1:16:00.360 Facebook and said she was my very first best friend. 1:16:01.720 --> 1:16:03.840 One of her last public quotes was to the New 1:16:03.920 --> 1:16:07.479 York Times in nineteen ninety five, and it was quoted 1:16:07.560 --> 1:16:10.400 in the post in the Washington Post, she wrote, I 1:16:10.560 --> 1:16:11.519 deserve my baby. 1:16:11.720 --> 1:16:13.639 I gave birth to him. I want him. 1:16:14.880 --> 1:16:16.880 Like, isn't that all we really want parents to do, 1:16:17.960 --> 1:16:20.840 like want and love and want their kid. So the 1:16:20.920 --> 1:16:24.040 grandmother is a nasty woman, and I think we should 1:16:24.080 --> 1:16:27.360 do a special episode where we go to Virginia and 1:16:27.479 --> 1:16:29.200 find this dumb bitch and I. 1:16:29.280 --> 1:16:32.240 Hope and hit her miler home over. I hope Tyler 1:16:32.320 --> 1:16:36.080 doesn't talk to his fucking grandmother. What an asshole. I 1:16:36.160 --> 1:16:38.360 can't believe this is such a sad story. I really 1:16:38.400 --> 1:16:40.200 thought there was going to be like because like at 1:16:40.240 --> 1:16:41.519 one point they ruled in her favor. 1:16:41.560 --> 1:16:43.320 I was like, it'll go back to her, you know, 1:16:43.640 --> 1:16:47.080 Like no, she fucking lost the rights to her child 1:16:47.320 --> 1:16:50.200 because of true homophobia. 1:16:49.720 --> 1:16:54.799 Like nothing else. So gross. So now this is pretty interesting. 1:16:55.160 --> 1:17:00.280 So in the episode, they mentioned parental alienation syndrome known 1:17:00.320 --> 1:17:03.439 as PAS. And what is so funny about this is 1:17:04.200 --> 1:17:06.880 I started doing research, and I'm writing this stuff and. 1:17:06.920 --> 1:17:10.000 I'm reading it, and I'm like, hmm, seems a little off. 1:17:10.840 --> 1:17:14.480 And then I noticed that most of the information describing 1:17:14.680 --> 1:17:20.519 PAS is lawyer's websites, and all the lawyers are white 1:17:20.600 --> 1:17:23.920 man faces, and so all of a sudden, something ring 1:17:24.040 --> 1:17:26.280 and ring the alarms to me, and I was like, 1:17:27.120 --> 1:17:29.439 let me just see if PAS is credible. 1:17:30.240 --> 1:17:31.479 It is rejected by. 1:17:31.479 --> 1:17:34.080 The American psychiahiatary psychology. 1:17:34.200 --> 1:17:34.680 It is not. 1:17:36.280 --> 1:17:39.240 A respected thing at all. 1:17:39.520 --> 1:17:44.200 It is used by mostly abusive men trying to diminish 1:17:45.040 --> 1:17:49.000 mothers who want to stay with their child. And so 1:17:50.280 --> 1:17:53.880 it's really a controversial thing that has been discredited and 1:17:54.040 --> 1:17:58.560 not like respected. But because we live in a patriarchy, 1:17:59.160 --> 1:18:02.480 it's it's it's kind of like Jenny McCarthy with the vaccinations, 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:07.080 where this dumb bitch quotes an uncredited person and then 1:18:07.479 --> 1:18:09.280 everyone is like anti vacs. 1:18:09.680 --> 1:18:11.600 And that's what happened with the guy who created this. 1:18:11.800 --> 1:18:12.880 His name is Gardner or something. 1:18:12.880 --> 1:18:15.360 I'll obviously get into all of this, Richard Gardner, and 1:18:16.360 --> 1:18:19.840 he came up with this in the eighties and then 1:18:19.920 --> 1:18:20.920 it was debunked. 1:18:21.479 --> 1:18:26.000 But lawyers use it all the time in courts and 1:18:26.120 --> 1:18:27.320 it's really fucked up. 1:18:27.680 --> 1:18:31.719 So it also taught me how like if I didn't, 1:18:32.479 --> 1:18:34.799 if I, if I wasn't someone that does so much research, 1:18:35.520 --> 1:18:37.840 I could have just probably like wrote PAS and lived 1:18:37.920 --> 1:18:39.560 my life and just told everyone about it. 1:18:39.720 --> 1:18:43.840 Thank God, is the respect of. 1:18:43.840 --> 1:18:47.360 Mighty senses were like tingling, well yeah, because then it 1:18:47.439 --> 1:18:49.600 was something of like, well I think I I do 1:18:49.760 --> 1:18:51.720 believe you should believe a kid if they say they're 1:18:51.720 --> 1:18:53.439 being a beaute, Like I wonder what's going and then 1:18:53.600 --> 1:18:56.760 all I'm telling you I went it was like four 1:18:56.920 --> 1:18:58.200 law offices. 1:18:57.840 --> 1:18:58.280 All men. 1:18:58.920 --> 1:19:02.000 But what about like I mean, definitely parents do use 1:19:02.040 --> 1:19:05.000 their children as pawns and will try to corrupt their children. 1:19:05.080 --> 1:19:06.439 So are do you are you going to get into that? 1:19:06.640 --> 1:19:09.639 Like that is something even if it's a PAS. Yeah, 1:19:09.760 --> 1:19:10.559 so fal sack. 1:19:10.800 --> 1:19:13.680 So one of the stats is like his whole thing 1:19:13.840 --> 1:19:16.960 was ninety eight percent of women lie about being abused. 1:19:17.360 --> 1:19:21.040 That was his sticking and then the Department of Justice 1:19:21.280 --> 1:19:26.600 said the real rate is actually two percent. So you know, 1:19:27.400 --> 1:19:30.760 do parents like the grandma that's the me in the 1:19:30.840 --> 1:19:33.600 episode there was PAS like the grandma tried, you know, 1:19:33.760 --> 1:19:38.800 try to try Emma against Zoe, and am I saying 1:19:38.880 --> 1:19:42.880 there's never cases where parents are like your dad sucks, 1:19:42.920 --> 1:19:46.160 he's a piece of shit, like all of that, of 1:19:46.280 --> 1:19:49.200 course not, but I'll get into the numbers of like 1:19:50.400 --> 1:19:53.679 how many children die after being forced into an abusive 1:19:53.800 --> 1:19:59.200 person's home because of PAS defense. Okay, so PAS, we're 1:19:59.240 --> 1:20:04.040 gonna pretend it's I mean, I don't think it's completely 1:20:04.280 --> 1:20:07.280 void of reality that if that parents hate each other 1:20:07.600 --> 1:20:09.639 and are in a custody war would say means shit 1:20:09.720 --> 1:20:10.240 about each other. 1:20:10.400 --> 1:20:15.240 So they're kids, Like, I don't think that's it doesn't happen, right, And. 1:20:15.320 --> 1:20:18.280 Also in like a world where Munchausen exists, like there 1:20:18.320 --> 1:20:20.040 are also parents that are like I want you to 1:20:20.120 --> 1:20:22.080 love me and not your other parent, you know. 1:20:22.360 --> 1:20:26.800 Like So PAS is a strategy where one's parents intentionally 1:20:26.880 --> 1:20:32.160 display unjustified negativity towards another parent to the child. It 1:20:32.320 --> 1:20:34.840 is a term coined by a forensic psychiatrist who is 1:20:34.920 --> 1:20:38.400 dead but his name is Richard Gardner, and he said 1:20:38.400 --> 1:20:41.200 it was a phenomenon he witnessed where children were being 1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:44.840 turned against one parent, and it usually came up during 1:20:44.920 --> 1:20:47.840 divorce or bitter custody battles, Like duh, when else would 1:20:47.840 --> 1:20:50.200 it come up? So it is not accepted as a 1:20:50.280 --> 1:20:53.640 scientifically valid at all, and it is not a diagnosable 1:20:53.720 --> 1:20:54.519 mental condition. 1:20:55.120 --> 1:20:55.360 Got it. 1:20:55.600 --> 1:20:59.040 Most of his work was self published and non peer reviewed, 1:20:59.520 --> 1:21:03.960 and his evidence was all anecdotal. There was no scientific 1:21:04.080 --> 1:21:07.320 evidence for this, and his positions have caused a lot 1:21:07.320 --> 1:21:10.639 of controversy among those who are involved in the detection 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:14.559 and treatment of child's abuse. So a site called Stop 1:21:14.640 --> 1:21:18.360 Abuse Campaign dot org says that PAS is not based 1:21:18.400 --> 1:21:22.000 on any research, but rather the personal beliefs and experience 1:21:22.160 --> 1:21:26.160 and bias of doctor Gardner, a guy who assumed that 1:21:26.280 --> 1:21:29.559 virtually all reports of domestic violence or child abuse must 1:21:29.640 --> 1:21:32.720 be false. They claim that in the nineteen eighties he 1:21:32.720 --> 1:21:35.120 would help wealthy abusers gain custody. 1:21:35.920 --> 1:21:37.960 And so they have a YouTube video. 1:21:38.040 --> 1:21:40.000 It's posted in the sources and so here I may 1:21:40.040 --> 1:21:43.000 main takeaways from the Stop Abuse Campaign's YouTube. 1:21:42.760 --> 1:21:43.759 Video about PAS. 1:21:44.640 --> 1:21:46.920 And so this video is made in twenty twenty one, 1:21:47.040 --> 1:21:49.400 and they say from twenty ten to twenty twenty one, 1:21:49.479 --> 1:21:51.640 seven hundred and seventy three children have died as a 1:21:51.720 --> 1:21:54.880 result of joint custody and soul custody to a parent 1:21:55.960 --> 1:21:59.320 that is abusive. They say about fifty eight thousand kids 1:21:59.360 --> 1:22:01.679 are sent back to to abusive homes by the courts. 1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:05.439 And like I sow, yeah, it's a debunked theory to 1:22:05.520 --> 1:22:08.479 say most accusations are false, but there's no basins in 1:22:08.600 --> 1:22:12.840 science or research. But it has become a routinely accepted 1:22:12.920 --> 1:22:17.080 theory in family law courts. Like I said, that was 1:22:17.120 --> 1:22:20.080 the only place I found descriptions of PAS. 1:22:20.439 --> 1:22:22.200 Were male lawyers. 1:22:22.680 --> 1:22:27.000 Yeah, and it's become a profitable industry on building a 1:22:27.080 --> 1:22:30.080 cur Like so people have built full careers on this 1:22:30.280 --> 1:22:33.799 theory and now it's become a huge obstacle for families 1:22:33.880 --> 1:22:37.200 trying to live an abuse free life. And PAS is 1:22:37.479 --> 1:22:41.360 very gender bias. You know, mothers are carrying the brunt 1:22:41.760 --> 1:22:44.840 of this dude's theory because they're turning their children against 1:22:44.840 --> 1:22:45.439 their husbands. 1:22:46.000 --> 1:22:46.320 Correct. 1:22:47.320 --> 1:22:49.680 So basically a kid is like, my dad hits me, 1:22:49.800 --> 1:22:51.760 my dad hits my mom. My dad is bad, And 1:22:51.840 --> 1:22:54.479 they go, oh, you're a victim of PAS. Your mother 1:22:54.560 --> 1:22:57.240 has turned you against And in this situation, it's like 1:22:57.920 --> 1:23:00.439 in this situation of the episode, I feel like it 1:23:00.640 --> 1:23:03.559 worked because there was no evidence and she had never 1:23:03.640 --> 1:23:06.000 brought this up before, so it worked like as a 1:23:06.800 --> 1:23:09.760 legit thing. When Huang said it You're like, Okay, that 1:23:09.920 --> 1:23:12.040 makes sense because the evidence is all there, but like 1:23:12.600 --> 1:23:14.760 because it wasn't something the kid had been saying from 1:23:14.840 --> 1:23:16.920 the get and there wasn't evidence, you know what I mean. 1:23:17.640 --> 1:23:20.960 Yeah, So, and the grandma is guilty in this episode. 1:23:21.000 --> 1:23:22.800 And that's my ass to view. Is such a good show. 1:23:23.600 --> 1:23:26.880 So more about this Gardener guy. It's it's just like 1:23:27.040 --> 1:23:30.360 one loud man with a wrong idea and boom. Abuse 1:23:30.439 --> 1:23:33.520 cases for decades are affected. Like I said, he testified 1:23:33.560 --> 1:23:36.960 in over four hundred child custody cases and fought for 1:23:37.120 --> 1:23:38.840 kids to be taken out of the home of the 1:23:38.920 --> 1:23:42.799 alienating pas parent and give custody to the parents accused 1:23:42.800 --> 1:23:46.200 of abuse. He worked with Woody Allen on that case 1:23:46.960 --> 1:23:49.840 other big cases. I don't know if I wanted to talk. Yeah, 1:23:50.040 --> 1:23:51.960 I didn't add it. I didn't add it in the search. 1:23:52.120 --> 1:23:55.320 But you can find all this out. He advertised himself 1:23:55.520 --> 1:23:59.679 as advocating for the defense in child abuse cases. 1:24:00.120 --> 1:24:02.200 So take what that which you will. 1:24:03.400 --> 1:24:05.680 But nonetheless, like I said, he was a professor of 1:24:05.760 --> 1:24:08.920 child psychiatry in the College of Physicians and Surgeons at 1:24:08.920 --> 1:24:13.640 Columbia University from nineteen sixty three until his death. You know, 1:24:13.800 --> 1:24:15.720 that my brother went there and they call it p 1:24:15.880 --> 1:24:18.519 ands and it just sounds like kenis like they just 1:24:18.600 --> 1:24:19.840 say pns all the time. 1:24:20.160 --> 1:24:22.880 We got to ask Colin if he knows about this guy. Yeah, 1:24:22.920 --> 1:24:23.240 I will. 1:24:24.240 --> 1:24:26.320 He has a quote where he wrote, there is good 1:24:26.360 --> 1:24:28.960 reason to believe that most, if not all, children have 1:24:29.080 --> 1:24:31.760 the capacity to reach orgasm at the time that they 1:24:31.800 --> 1:24:32.240 are born. 1:24:32.760 --> 1:24:35.040 What which is not true? 1:24:36.560 --> 1:24:40.760 And why is the what's your good reason to believe that? 1:24:41.320 --> 1:24:43.160 Oh he's a man a pedophile. 1:24:43.479 --> 1:24:48.600 Yeah, he believes that pedophilia is like homosexuality or bestiality 1:24:48.760 --> 1:24:51.800 or whatever, which those two aren't similar. But he thinks 1:24:51.880 --> 1:24:56.360 being a pedophile is just an orientation. And then once 1:24:56.439 --> 1:24:58.559 he was accused of being a pedophile, he did an 1:24:58.600 --> 1:25:02.080 interview where he's like, no, you could you know being 1:25:02.160 --> 1:25:05.560 a murderer is also a thing in your brain. I 1:25:05.640 --> 1:25:10.320 can that you can or no, He's like, I can 1:25:10.400 --> 1:25:13.280 think those things are ingrained in you while not supporting them. 1:25:13.479 --> 1:25:17.880 But he believes that teens come on to people and 1:25:18.000 --> 1:25:21.559 what if the child seduces a man? So he had 1:25:21.600 --> 1:25:23.640 a lot like I just wrote one, but he has 1:25:23.760 --> 1:25:28.720 like tons of in quotes from on the stand interviews 1:25:29.120 --> 1:25:34.360 in his books, writings about how kids flirt, they come 1:25:34.439 --> 1:25:37.479 on to you, what if you were seduced, and that 1:25:37.560 --> 1:25:40.559 it's a normal sexuality and it doesn't have that much damage. 1:25:40.560 --> 1:25:42.960 And I guess he thinks that children can orgasm and 1:25:43.080 --> 1:25:43.719 he loves. 1:25:43.520 --> 1:25:46.960 What he Allen says, Christ Yeah, I bet he's been 1:25:47.000 --> 1:25:51.639 to Epstein Island. He did die by suicide, which kind 1:25:51.680 --> 1:25:55.800 of cool, I guess, by stabbing himself at his home 1:25:56.000 --> 1:25:59.320 on May twenty fifth, two thousand and three, at age 1:25:59.360 --> 1:26:03.400 seventy two. His son said that he had been distraught 1:26:03.560 --> 1:26:08.880 over the advancing symptoms of reflex sympathetic dystrophy, which was a. 1:26:08.920 --> 1:26:11.400 Painful neurological syndrome that he got. 1:26:11.760 --> 1:26:14.559 And so, but like, aren't there pet pills you could 1:26:14.600 --> 1:26:18.600 take or something that doesn't like involve bleeding out for 1:26:18.800 --> 1:26:19.960 like your family to find you. 1:26:20.200 --> 1:26:23.160 Jesus, Sorry, that's really a lot. We are shocked by 1:26:23.240 --> 1:26:26.439 cases often, we're always shocked, actually on this show. 1:26:26.640 --> 1:26:30.080 But I am this is really shocking. I'm really glad 1:26:30.080 --> 1:26:34.000 that you followed your intuition, which is very you. You 1:26:34.400 --> 1:26:37.160 you never don't follow your intuition. But like, I'm just shocked, 1:26:37.160 --> 1:26:40.120 all right, I'm just shocked. Everybody just try to pick 1:26:40.160 --> 1:26:42.280 your jaw up off the floor and hang on for 1:26:42.439 --> 1:26:45.000 our interview, because we've got a great interview coming up 1:26:45.120 --> 1:26:45.479 right now. 1:26:52.920 --> 1:26:53.240 Okay. 1:26:53.400 --> 1:26:57.280 Our guest today is an actor who is frequently typecast 1:26:57.360 --> 1:27:00.719 as an evil bitch, but is in reality very fun 1:27:00.920 --> 1:27:03.679 and lovely person. You might know her from her sitcom 1:27:03.720 --> 1:27:06.439 work as a regular on Caroline in the City, The Office, 1:27:06.520 --> 1:27:09.240 and Modern Family. You can currently see her on the 1:27:09.280 --> 1:27:12.479 new supernatural drama wolf Pack, but you know her today 1:27:12.600 --> 1:27:16.519 as rock and roll lesbian mom Zoe Dunlop. Please enjoy 1:27:16.600 --> 1:27:19.280 our convo with the delightful Amy Pete's. 1:27:19.439 --> 1:27:23.160 We're so Happier here, an iconic episode of sv You. 1:27:24.000 --> 1:27:27.360 It feels that way. It's a real boosy it. 1:27:27.560 --> 1:27:30.040 Well it is, I mean one of our favorite things 1:27:30.080 --> 1:27:33.519 about this show, and very few people are able to achieve. 1:27:33.600 --> 1:27:37.360 This is one singular tier. Drop it. 1:27:39.240 --> 1:27:41.920 And you you did that, nailed it? 1:27:43.200 --> 1:27:47.200 Do you plan for one singular tier or it just happens? Like, 1:27:47.280 --> 1:27:47.720 how does that? 1:27:48.560 --> 1:27:51.120 You kind of stuck on this singular tier thing? I've 1:27:51.160 --> 1:27:52.759 heard you ask this of other people. 1:27:53.880 --> 1:27:56.400 How does she's obsessed? 1:27:58.560 --> 1:28:01.120 No? No, no, it's a possible to put. 1:28:01.240 --> 1:28:04.479 That's like saying I'm going to have an orgasm, but 1:28:04.560 --> 1:28:06.519 it's only gonna last a certain amount of time and 1:28:06.600 --> 1:28:07.960 I'm not gonna you. 1:28:08.080 --> 1:28:10.120 Know what, But do you feel good that good when 1:28:10.160 --> 1:28:10.600 you nail it? 1:28:10.920 --> 1:28:14.040 Do when they like, yeah, it does feel as good 1:28:14.040 --> 1:28:15.360 as an orgasm when you nail that. 1:28:19.360 --> 1:28:22.000 Yeah, I got in it. Yeah, you're kind of like, ooh. 1:28:21.960 --> 1:28:27.320 I'm really premenstrual and I'm very emotional and if I 1:28:27.400 --> 1:28:30.960 can just imagine having one cocktail, I'll be open enough 1:28:31.040 --> 1:28:31.439 to cry. 1:28:31.720 --> 1:28:31.920 Yeah. 1:28:34.680 --> 1:28:35.840 Love that, love it. 1:28:36.040 --> 1:28:36.920 What is like? 1:28:37.240 --> 1:28:39.920 So, how was the what was the process of getting 1:28:40.000 --> 1:28:40.360 this part? 1:28:40.640 --> 1:28:42.360 Like they just sentenced you and they were like, hey, 1:28:42.880 --> 1:28:45.439 we think you'd make a great lesbian mom or like what. 1:28:45.880 --> 1:28:49.560 I cannot remember if I auditioned or if I was 1:28:49.680 --> 1:28:51.600 offered this because I was kind of like hot for 1:28:51.720 --> 1:28:54.920 like ten seconds in my career. I wish it would 1:28:54.920 --> 1:28:57.439 have lasted at least sixty but it was really only 1:28:57.520 --> 1:28:59.759 time seconds, so I don't remember. 1:29:00.080 --> 1:29:02.680 I don't remember auditioning for this, so it may have 1:29:02.800 --> 1:29:03.400 been an offer. 1:29:03.760 --> 1:29:07.840 And I was thrilled to go to New Jersey and 1:29:08.439 --> 1:29:11.720 work there with Chris Maloney and Marushka Hargate, and I 1:29:11.760 --> 1:29:13.599 thought it was going to be pretty great. 1:29:13.479 --> 1:29:15.800 And it was. It was, It was really great. 1:29:16.080 --> 1:29:22.600 Maloney and Marishka were very intense, very quiet, very professional, 1:29:22.720 --> 1:29:25.160 and I just felt like goofing off all the time, 1:29:25.560 --> 1:29:28.719 and I had to, like, I had to be really 1:29:28.920 --> 1:29:29.960 serious all the time. 1:29:30.080 --> 1:29:32.719 I had to squelch my natural instinct to goo around. 1:29:32.760 --> 1:29:33.360 Interesting. 1:29:33.720 --> 1:29:36.040 Interesting was we hear that about Maloney, but we hear 1:29:36.120 --> 1:29:38.400 Marishka can kind of loosen up and be funny sometimes. 1:29:38.479 --> 1:29:41.320 But she was warm. She was definitely warm to me 1:29:41.600 --> 1:29:43.960 and lovely, you know. 1:29:44.200 --> 1:29:46.599 But if I had to do a procedural, I would 1:29:46.640 --> 1:29:48.200 have to change my entire personality. 1:29:48.240 --> 1:29:50.479 There's the way I could survive that for as many 1:29:50.560 --> 1:29:51.800 years as they did. Well. 1:29:51.880 --> 1:29:54.920 This was also like this season was like I would say, 1:29:55.000 --> 1:29:57.360 almost like the height of the whole series, Like seven 1:29:57.640 --> 1:29:59.599 is like it's I think it's the season, Marushka one 1:30:00.160 --> 1:30:02.519 me like it's really like they were turning it on 1:30:02.840 --> 1:30:05.560 at this point, like really banging out. Some of the 1:30:05.600 --> 1:30:08.320 most classic apps are in this season. So you should 1:30:08.320 --> 1:30:10.040 be proud to be part of such an iconic season. 1:30:10.720 --> 1:30:15.640 Thank you. I'm so proud. In this episode, I watched it. 1:30:15.920 --> 1:30:19.240 Again because I hadn't seen it in it forever and. 1:30:19.560 --> 1:30:21.559 I laughed a lot. 1:30:23.200 --> 1:30:24.600 The lines, Oh my. 1:30:24.680 --> 1:30:27.320 God, the writing was hilarious in this episode. 1:30:28.120 --> 1:30:29.640 Yes, what were your highlights? 1:30:30.120 --> 1:30:32.559 It's really in the beginning. The first act I think 1:30:32.720 --> 1:30:36.120 has the funniest shit in it. Not only were there 1:30:36.240 --> 1:30:38.360 lines like what were you doing down. 1:30:38.240 --> 1:30:38.759 At the store? 1:30:39.000 --> 1:30:43.920 They got pixie sticks to like two cops one of 1:30:43.960 --> 1:30:46.439 them it has a thing for pixie sticks just because 1:30:46.439 --> 1:30:47.080 she's cute. 1:30:48.240 --> 1:30:52.360 And the friend of the pod, Oh yeah, she's been 1:30:52.439 --> 1:30:53.080 on the podcast. 1:30:54.240 --> 1:30:55.639 That was the hilarious line. 1:30:55.720 --> 1:30:59.080 There were many hilarious sense when when Belzer help holds 1:30:59.120 --> 1:31:02.559 up scissors, is like our kids able to touch these? 1:31:03.080 --> 1:31:05.439 Like like kids aren't allowed to touch it's like an 1:31:05.720 --> 1:31:06.599 AR fifty seven. 1:31:06.680 --> 1:31:09.879 No, it's a scissors. Yes, kids are gonna touch scissors. 1:31:10.479 --> 1:31:13.280 All their investigative stuff and act when it was hilarious 1:31:13.360 --> 1:31:15.519 and the camera angles were even really good. 1:31:16.640 --> 1:31:17.720 I just I loved it. 1:31:18.400 --> 1:31:20.680 Well, I do another thing that's I don't know if 1:31:20.680 --> 1:31:23.800 it's funny or not. The kid was wearing a wig, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:31:23.840 --> 1:31:24.280 yeah okay. 1:31:24.880 --> 1:31:27.720 And have you have you googled her? Because I was 1:31:27.800 --> 1:31:30.719 really curious about this girl and she's like a singer, 1:31:31.280 --> 1:31:33.679 like a like a hot sya Toatzy singer. 1:31:33.760 --> 1:31:37.759 Now, oh, I did google her, but her IMDb looks 1:31:37.880 --> 1:31:40.080 like it was done, so I didn't look further. 1:31:40.240 --> 1:31:41.000 But I guess she's. 1:31:40.880 --> 1:31:44.599 Singing yeah yeah, and her ig she's got a bunch 1:31:44.640 --> 1:31:46.599 of followers and she's the singing. 1:31:47.240 --> 1:31:47.960 She's so cute. 1:31:48.000 --> 1:31:48.840 She's all grown up. 1:31:49.240 --> 1:31:49.640 I know. 1:31:50.640 --> 1:31:52.880 I love that girl's face, and she was really sweet 1:31:52.880 --> 1:31:54.960 and her accent was so thick. 1:31:55.360 --> 1:31:58.200 She's like, mommy, what do we do when women knew you? 1:31:58.360 --> 1:31:58.599 Look? 1:31:59.080 --> 1:32:02.400 Did you do you have any stories or bonding moments with. 1:32:02.520 --> 1:32:08.840 The child's with I mean, this was twenty three years ago. Well, 1:32:08.880 --> 1:32:12.040 I also have another wild question that's considering how long ago. 1:32:12.160 --> 1:32:13.920 I feel like it might be crazy to ask, but. 1:32:14.680 --> 1:32:17.439 Let's ask those crazy questions because my long term memory 1:32:17.520 --> 1:32:18.360 is completely shot. 1:32:19.560 --> 1:32:23.080 Maloney's like showing you the pedophile photos. Oh my god, 1:32:23.160 --> 1:32:24.840 look do you remember, like what was it? 1:32:25.040 --> 1:32:25.080 Just? 1:32:25.560 --> 1:32:26.200 Was it anything? 1:32:27.120 --> 1:32:30.960 Okay? Well, what do you mean was it anything anything? Like? 1:32:31.360 --> 1:32:32.840 Was he show the piece of paper? 1:32:32.920 --> 1:32:33.360 What was it? 1:32:34.120 --> 1:32:34.320 Yeah? 1:32:34.479 --> 1:32:38.280 No, there there were pictures of like a little girl 1:32:38.400 --> 1:32:41.040 on her side. She wasn't naked or anything, but like 1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:43.000 they were the real pictures. 1:32:43.040 --> 1:32:44.960 But what cracked me up the most about that was 1:32:46.120 --> 1:32:47.160 I used. 1:32:47.000 --> 1:32:51.000 That theme for my real and one of the things 1:32:51.160 --> 1:32:53.519 I couldn't get past and I almost didn't use it, 1:32:54.000 --> 1:32:57.519 was because when I'm crying and he's showing me the pictures, 1:32:57.840 --> 1:32:58.479 I say. 1:32:58.360 --> 1:33:03.519 Something like, what do you think this is porn? But 1:33:03.640 --> 1:33:06.200 because my nose was stuffy, it sounded like I said, 1:33:06.240 --> 1:33:07.599 what do you think this is corn? 1:33:09.120 --> 1:33:11.040 But you you obviously didn't pick up on that, so 1:33:11.160 --> 1:33:12.559 maybe I porn. 1:33:12.800 --> 1:33:15.519 I didn't hear corn. I thought you said porn, but okay, 1:33:15.800 --> 1:33:16.280 that's good. 1:33:17.240 --> 1:33:18.280 Didn't do adr, so it. 1:33:18.320 --> 1:33:21.360 Must have just been me, I guess the first What 1:33:21.479 --> 1:33:23.519 else was funny to me that the grandma at the 1:33:23.600 --> 1:33:25.599 end thought that you guys were going to be friends again. 1:33:26.320 --> 1:33:29.559 Yeah, like you falsely accused me of molesting my daughter. 1:33:30.200 --> 1:33:33.559 You were not going to be tight lady. You brainwashed her? Doesn't. 1:33:35.520 --> 1:33:40.400 Yeah, not only was that weird, but the little boy 1:33:40.520 --> 1:33:46.640 that torments her like basically attempted rape and some kind 1:33:46.680 --> 1:33:49.560 of sexual assault because he kissed her. You know, he's like, 1:33:49.720 --> 1:33:53.679 I'll turn you. You're not gay, I'll turn you straight. 1:33:53.800 --> 1:33:56.760 And nobody deals with that, do they? 1:33:57.200 --> 1:33:57.240 No? 1:33:57.520 --> 1:33:59.960 No, No, everyone's just this poor boy. 1:34:00.000 --> 1:34:02.599 I will never walk this poor homophobic boy will never 1:34:02.720 --> 1:34:03.679 walk again owner. 1:34:03.800 --> 1:34:07.519 Yeah, well, I was going to say Stephen Bogartist who 1:34:07.640 --> 1:34:12.400 plays the attorney of the grand parents. He and I 1:34:12.720 --> 1:34:15.760 later did a musical together. He is a lovely individual, 1:34:16.640 --> 1:34:19.479 and I was just trying to think of other people 1:34:19.560 --> 1:34:21.559 I knew in the episode by. 1:34:21.479 --> 1:34:22.519 What musical were you in? 1:34:23.840 --> 1:34:30.120 We did a musical called Falsettos, which he did on 1:34:30.760 --> 1:34:35.479 Broadway and then the LA reprise version of it. I 1:34:35.920 --> 1:34:39.240 played another lesbian, so that I was kind of typecast 1:34:39.280 --> 1:34:42.280 as a lesbian. In the nineties, it was either slut 1:34:42.400 --> 1:34:45.679 or lesbian, and the two were very very close together. 1:34:45.800 --> 1:34:49.360 According to society and casting at that time, they just thought, well, 1:34:49.439 --> 1:34:53.760 lesbians must be slutty. Yes, we can cast Amy as 1:34:53.840 --> 1:34:59.600 both a heterosexual quote unquote slut and a lesbian, and 1:34:59.760 --> 1:35:06.680 that so VERSI. Yeah, wide ranging arts played there, But 1:35:06.800 --> 1:35:10.960 now I just play really nasty, narcissistic bitches. 1:35:11.560 --> 1:35:13.040 Oh yeah, yeah? 1:35:13.160 --> 1:35:13.639 Is that fun? 1:35:14.439 --> 1:35:14.559 Uh? 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:18.320 You know, no, got to say no, it's it's I've 1:35:18.320 --> 1:35:23.360 played so many of them now that and people treat 1:35:23.400 --> 1:35:25.840 you differently on set, you know, that whole thing of 1:35:26.000 --> 1:35:28.439 like they kind of assume you are the character. 1:35:29.160 --> 1:35:30.880 Even the crew and other actors. 1:35:30.680 --> 1:35:33.320 Just assume you're going to be a narcissistic bitch if 1:35:33.360 --> 1:35:36.880 you're playing one. It's it's weird as you age and 1:35:37.439 --> 1:35:40.599 you know, you look sort of like an entitled Karen, 1:35:40.680 --> 1:35:44.560 and then they just think you are right interesting. 1:35:45.640 --> 1:35:47.280 I can't believe that happens. 1:35:48.120 --> 1:35:51.080 Oh yeah, I mean it happens to me at airports 1:35:51.160 --> 1:35:53.920 with like airport security. People just assume I'm going to 1:35:54.040 --> 1:35:57.679 cause some kind of major castle and call the manager 1:35:58.080 --> 1:36:01.519 and make a scene just because of how I look. 1:36:01.760 --> 1:36:04.960 Yeah. Wow, I mean we're all profiled, aren't we. 1:36:05.400 --> 1:36:08.320 People don't think I belong in pre checks sometimes and 1:36:08.400 --> 1:36:12.639 I have to be like I am I'm oh really yeah, 1:36:12.760 --> 1:36:16.680 or like I am diamond actually, so I'm I'm going here. 1:36:17.720 --> 1:36:20.920 They don't believe that you have racked up that many miles, 1:36:20.920 --> 1:36:22.799 I mean that much of an expert traveler. 1:36:22.920 --> 1:36:23.479 Huh Yeah. 1:36:23.640 --> 1:36:26.040 Like recently the guy was like, you're going in this line. 1:36:26.080 --> 1:36:31.320 I go, I'm actually not, sir, But but I do 1:36:31.800 --> 1:36:34.479 dress extra insane at the airport. I wear my iced 1:36:34.479 --> 1:36:38.200 tea sweatshirt at the airport, So I think that might 1:36:38.320 --> 1:36:40.720 give off a vibe that I'm not aware of that 1:36:40.880 --> 1:36:42.080 might be a little you're. 1:36:41.960 --> 1:36:45.320 Not a serious person. Only people get pre checked. 1:36:45.320 --> 1:36:48.160 I'm serious. Yes, I think that is the vibe it gives. 1:36:51.360 --> 1:36:53.880 I would give anything for that ice two sweatshirt. I 1:36:54.080 --> 1:36:54.360 love that. 1:36:54.800 --> 1:36:57.400 But I'm more shocked that the crew, since you would 1:36:57.439 --> 1:37:01.320 think they know that it's acting, that they would separate 1:37:01.400 --> 1:37:03.120 you from your narcissist character. 1:37:04.000 --> 1:37:05.560 I have to overcompensate. 1:37:05.640 --> 1:37:08.000 I have to be like extra warm and like bake 1:37:08.080 --> 1:37:10.439 them a bunkcake, you know, and like bring it to 1:37:10.600 --> 1:37:13.000 set and do foot massages or. 1:37:13.040 --> 1:37:14.760 Something, which I used to do premi too. 1:37:14.960 --> 1:37:18.280 No I'm kidding, I never did, But like I really 1:37:18.360 --> 1:37:21.640 have to like smile a lot, be all midwestern so 1:37:21.760 --> 1:37:25.639 that people know I'm not really that that nasty bitch 1:37:25.720 --> 1:37:26.479 they think I am. 1:37:27.000 --> 1:37:31.120 You were on like everyone kind of now fantasizes and 1:37:31.240 --> 1:37:33.760 reminisces that that was like the best time on television 1:37:33.920 --> 1:37:37.200 and that everyone was just like rich, popular and living 1:37:37.240 --> 1:37:39.400 the life completely. 1:37:39.920 --> 1:37:43.240 I mean that it was the easiest job ever because 1:37:43.240 --> 1:37:45.880 you work about thirty six to forty hours a week. 1:37:46.680 --> 1:37:48.559 You know, you roll in at ten. 1:37:48.439 --> 1:37:53.600 Am, You get fed lunch and breakfast and all the 1:37:53.640 --> 1:37:54.360 snacks you want. 1:37:54.520 --> 1:37:56.760 There was a gym under the stage, so if I 1:37:56.880 --> 1:37:58.839 was in myhors thing. I'd go down and like stretch 1:37:58.920 --> 1:38:01.600 and lift a few ways. Then I'd go to my 1:38:01.720 --> 1:38:02.880 dressing them and do. 1:38:02.960 --> 1:38:05.559 My nails, and then I go back to the stage 1:38:05.720 --> 1:38:07.519 and just like goof and be funny. 1:38:07.800 --> 1:38:11.479 And yeah, it was the best. It was the best. 1:38:11.800 --> 1:38:15.479 Like there wasn't I. 1:38:15.479 --> 1:38:19.000 Don't know, six thousand channels and so people really were 1:38:19.120 --> 1:38:23.479 watching your show, you know, like tens of millions of people, 1:38:23.800 --> 1:38:27.960 and they paid great, which they don't do anymore, and 1:38:28.560 --> 1:38:29.960 it was a great easy life. 1:38:30.240 --> 1:38:33.040 Yeah I could go back, I would well. 1:38:32.880 --> 1:38:35.880 And I mean and like to get even more base. 1:38:36.479 --> 1:38:39.040 Just networks bought sitcoms. I mean, it's not a Yeah, 1:38:39.120 --> 1:38:42.080 they're not even really like sitcoms like that anymore. 1:38:42.880 --> 1:38:44.760 I know, I don't think they go because I think 1:38:44.800 --> 1:38:45.799 they started sucking. 1:38:46.479 --> 1:38:48.960 I think they started making them really poorly, and they 1:38:49.120 --> 1:38:53.240 thought that a sitcom was just joke after joke with 1:38:53.600 --> 1:38:58.360 really mediocre actors. And it's supposed to be based in 1:38:58.479 --> 1:39:01.200 the theater. I supposed to have like it's supposed to 1:39:01.240 --> 1:39:04.800 be the trickiest twenty two minutes, the most clever twenty 1:39:04.840 --> 1:39:07.080 two minutes. It's supposed to it's supposed to be a 1:39:07.120 --> 1:39:10.320 really challenging art form, and they took it for granted. 1:39:10.360 --> 1:39:14.360 I think because they they didn't, they didn't know that shit. 1:39:15.000 --> 1:39:15.719 That's interesting. 1:39:15.800 --> 1:39:17.760 I never thought about it that way because, yeah, Live 1:39:17.840 --> 1:39:20.720 Audience like kind of the way it's set up, it 1:39:20.760 --> 1:39:23.719 doesn't make sense a lot of those sitcoms were well. 1:39:23.640 --> 1:39:27.400 Don't you think the older ones are phenomenal? You know? 1:39:27.720 --> 1:39:30.439 Yeah, I mean Seinfeldt like so many all these shows 1:39:30.520 --> 1:39:35.320 like still hold up. Yeah, Leah Thompson has been in SVU. 1:39:36.120 --> 1:39:36.519 She has. 1:39:36.640 --> 1:39:39.400 I'm sure we all have, haven't we all been in SVU. 1:39:39.840 --> 1:39:41.000 Well, we've talked to. 1:39:42.560 --> 1:39:45.759 You've worked with Stephen Weber a lot. He's an SVO 1:39:45.840 --> 1:39:47.400 Alive friend of the pod. 1:39:49.240 --> 1:39:53.280 He's a hilarious, charming, wonderful, very charming. 1:39:53.439 --> 1:39:55.680 Oh, we had the best sign with I felt for him. 1:39:55.800 --> 1:39:58.519 Yeah, we were, I know, he's a charmer. Had a 1:39:58.560 --> 1:39:59.800 crush on Stephen Webber for. 1:40:00.000 --> 1:40:02.000 We were in Chicago and we sent him an email. 1:40:02.040 --> 1:40:04.000 We were like, come meet us out after our show. 1:40:06.080 --> 1:40:08.639 I hope he did. He probably didn't because he knew. 1:40:08.720 --> 1:40:10.360 Said he had an ear. He had a super early 1:40:10.439 --> 1:40:13.600 call time. Like okay, you can't like look bad on 1:40:13.760 --> 1:40:15.040 Chicago med or whatever. 1:40:15.120 --> 1:40:17.360 It is you know, Oh, come on, how old is he? 1:40:17.520 --> 1:40:20.280 He can look bad for a day. It's not going 1:40:20.320 --> 1:40:22.679 to make that much of a difference. It's the same 1:40:22.720 --> 1:40:24.760 with me now, I don't care. I'm like, yeah, puppy eyes, 1:40:24.920 --> 1:40:29.599 that's just a part of it, the whole puppy saggy thing. 1:40:29.920 --> 1:40:31.120 What difference is it going to make? 1:40:33.120 --> 1:40:36.880 Love it? You're fun, You're fun. 1:40:37.720 --> 1:40:40.160 I can't believe you guys are doing this podcast. 1:40:40.280 --> 1:40:46.200 It's really crazy, isn't it It is? It's crazy exists and. 1:40:46.280 --> 1:40:49.560 To explain the whole damn plot, can I ask you 1:40:50.160 --> 1:40:52.240 is this already written or do you guys have to like. 1:40:52.320 --> 1:40:54.200 Look, we write it in our own voices. 1:40:54.320 --> 1:40:58.320 Oh yeah, well yeah after this, I'm not for this, 1:40:58.600 --> 1:40:59.960 but I'm researching the crime. 1:41:00.000 --> 1:41:01.559 I'm for a different episode, and I. 1:41:01.680 --> 1:41:03.960 Have to go watch an episode and like type out 1:41:04.000 --> 1:41:07.080 exactly what happens or whatever. So yeah, we I mean 1:41:07.320 --> 1:41:10.840 there are some episodes there exists, synopsis is online, but 1:41:10.920 --> 1:41:12.920 I can't imagine if like we just got on and 1:41:13.080 --> 1:41:13.679 just read those. 1:41:13.840 --> 1:41:17.639 You know, we research and we researched the crime. Tomorrow's 1:41:17.640 --> 1:41:19.360 crime is good. But we were at a comedy festival 1:41:19.400 --> 1:41:22.320 all weekend and so we did not do our work 1:41:22.360 --> 1:41:22.880 ahead of time. 1:41:23.400 --> 1:41:27.000 Okay, gotcha, I understand your business social We were networking 1:41:27.080 --> 1:41:31.599 pretty hard into the early morning hours every night's work. 1:41:33.880 --> 1:41:35.120 I did twice. 1:41:38.760 --> 1:41:39.240 That's aw. 1:41:39.840 --> 1:41:42.320 You're in another one of our favorite shows. You were 1:41:42.360 --> 1:41:44.240 in the series finale, Dexter. 1:41:45.960 --> 1:41:49.840 Yes, yes you could. You could feel the tension between 1:41:49.880 --> 1:41:52.080 the two leads. I think they had just divorced. 1:41:52.520 --> 1:41:57.280 Yes, riding in the van, that was a little tense. 1:41:57.680 --> 1:42:00.599 Give us the tea, Give us that dex tea. 1:42:02.000 --> 1:42:03.120 Well, I don't know. 1:42:03.360 --> 1:42:06.240 I mean I just tried to keep my mouth shut. 1:42:06.400 --> 1:42:08.280 That's one where you keep your head down when you 1:42:08.360 --> 1:42:10.759 know that they're in the tabloids for having just divorce, 1:42:10.840 --> 1:42:12.720 and you just don't I just didn't want to talk 1:42:12.800 --> 1:42:15.800 to anybody because I thought, knowing me, I'm going to 1:42:15.800 --> 1:42:18.080 be like, so, how's it like me, what's it like work? Yeah, 1:42:19.400 --> 1:42:22.120 And that would have really sucked for both me and them. 1:42:22.360 --> 1:42:26.040 So I had the sensibility to keep my mouth shut. 1:42:27.200 --> 1:42:27.439 Yeah. 1:42:27.560 --> 1:42:29.000 I mean, you know, I did a lot of little 1:42:29.240 --> 1:42:34.080 guess pop star things here or there. It's much more 1:42:34.120 --> 1:42:37.479 fun to do the regular jobs where you can include 1:42:37.479 --> 1:42:40.559 people as your family and you get to stick with them. 1:42:40.600 --> 1:42:42.200 For a long time, and they get to see you 1:42:42.240 --> 1:42:45.000 at your best and your worst and you can goof around. 1:42:45.320 --> 1:42:47.960 That's way more fun than just popping in for a 1:42:48.040 --> 1:42:49.360 day and try to keep your mouth shut. 1:42:50.120 --> 1:42:53.360 Yeah, trying to keep your mouth shut. And it was 1:42:53.439 --> 1:42:55.120 a wild one because it was like the end of 1:42:55.240 --> 1:42:57.680 the it was the last episod. 1:42:57.400 --> 1:42:59.200 The whole finale of the series. 1:42:59.360 --> 1:43:00.320 Yeah, are you there? 1:43:00.400 --> 1:43:03.360 When everyone was like crying during their wraps and stuff. 1:43:04.720 --> 1:43:10.080 Again, I think it was more of a tension, and 1:43:10.160 --> 1:43:12.680 I'm sure they were all distracted and like onto their 1:43:12.720 --> 1:43:15.520 other projects and mixed had mixed emotions. 1:43:15.760 --> 1:43:16.000 It is. 1:43:18.400 --> 1:43:20.840 You know, people get it can be a grind the 1:43:20.960 --> 1:43:23.160 one hour drama. Being a regular and a one hour 1:43:23.240 --> 1:43:26.200 drama can be a real grind for them, especially when 1:43:26.400 --> 1:43:28.000 you don't get to laugh as much as I get 1:43:28.040 --> 1:43:31.160 to laugh when I'm a series regular on other genres 1:43:31.200 --> 1:43:35.639 of shows. And so, you know, you see a lot 1:43:35.680 --> 1:43:39.040 of tired actors, you know, at five am in the 1:43:39.080 --> 1:43:42.439 makeup trailer, and then they're tired in the middle of 1:43:42.520 --> 1:43:46.360 the day and everybody has like six coffees to stay awake. 1:43:46.200 --> 1:43:47.680 And then at the end of the day they just 1:43:47.720 --> 1:43:51.680 cannot wait to get out of there. So, yeah, it's 1:43:51.720 --> 1:43:53.160 way more fun to be on a sitcom. 1:43:54.600 --> 1:43:58.400 You prefer sitcoms? Okay? Cool? Interesting? Do you like the 1:43:58.520 --> 1:44:02.080 audience of it or are just in terms of comedy 1:44:02.120 --> 1:44:03.160 you like the live audience. 1:44:03.560 --> 1:44:03.760 Yeah. 1:44:03.880 --> 1:44:06.639 I do a lot of theater as well. But if 1:44:06.720 --> 1:44:08.960 I don't have a live audience and I'm on a 1:44:09.040 --> 1:44:14.080 single camera comedy which really means five cameras instead of 1:44:14.240 --> 1:44:17.679 the four in a sitcomb, then the crew is my audience. 1:44:17.760 --> 1:44:19.400 And so if I can get the crew to crack up, 1:44:19.520 --> 1:44:22.680 then then I feel just fine. I feel like all 1:44:22.840 --> 1:44:23.639 is right with the world. 1:44:24.720 --> 1:44:28.320 And yeah I can I can breathe, And that's what 1:44:28.439 --> 1:44:28.760 you want. 1:44:28.880 --> 1:44:30.960 You want, you know, you want to see the camera 1:44:31.040 --> 1:44:34.519 shake a little bit or people covering their mouths, stuff 1:44:34.600 --> 1:44:34.760 like that. 1:44:35.479 --> 1:44:35.920 It's fun. 1:44:37.040 --> 1:44:38.960 Are you so? Are you based in La? 1:44:39.720 --> 1:44:40.519 Yeah? So? 1:44:40.840 --> 1:44:42.640 Are you do do theater here then? Or do you 1:44:42.760 --> 1:44:44.560 like go out on the road and do like like 1:44:44.880 --> 1:44:45.599 other cities? 1:44:46.080 --> 1:44:49.400 I do both. Did you know what I just read? 1:44:49.960 --> 1:44:54.840 Los Angeles has does more productions of theater than New York? 1:44:55.400 --> 1:44:55.719 Really? 1:44:56.560 --> 1:44:56.800 Yes? 1:44:58.280 --> 1:45:00.519 Is that crazy? Doesn't mean they're all good? 1:45:00.600 --> 1:45:04.639 But help, I've seen crap in New York too. 1:45:05.400 --> 1:45:06.000 Yeah, so I do. 1:45:06.320 --> 1:45:08.400 I do theater and I do a play every couple 1:45:08.439 --> 1:45:10.840 of years. The last one I did in La was 1:45:10.880 --> 1:45:11.559 at the Market Taper. 1:45:11.600 --> 1:45:12.200 It was Sweat. 1:45:13.200 --> 1:45:16.080 Then I just did a new play workshop up in Ashland, 1:45:16.200 --> 1:45:18.360 Oregon for a new Lisa Lumer play. 1:45:19.080 --> 1:45:22.240 I did a I did Designing Women for the stage. 1:45:23.439 --> 1:45:24.160 Which one were you? 1:45:24.520 --> 1:45:28.240 I was crazy? I was the Delta Burke role, like 1:45:28.360 --> 1:45:31.280 you believe that. I know, I'm definitely more anti pots, 1:45:31.360 --> 1:45:32.760 but yeah. 1:45:33.040 --> 1:45:35.599 So I played the Susanne sugar Baker role in an 1:45:36.000 --> 1:45:41.320 updated new play written by the same writer as the 1:45:41.400 --> 1:45:45.760 TV series and incredible woman, Linda Bledworth Thompson, and she 1:45:45.960 --> 1:45:50.160 said it when Biden got elected, so and COVID hit 1:45:50.760 --> 1:45:52.800 and it's all the same women, but they're dealing with 1:45:53.600 --> 1:45:57.920 the politics of living in Atlanta and having Trumpers and 1:45:58.800 --> 1:46:02.400 Progressives all together, and it was it was really funny. 1:46:03.640 --> 1:46:03.880 Wow. 1:46:04.320 --> 1:46:09.240 They're still doing it in other cities. So they would 1:46:09.280 --> 1:46:11.639 love to take it to Broadway. We'll see, we'll see 1:46:11.680 --> 1:46:13.800 what happens. I don't think I'll be a part of it. 1:46:15.520 --> 1:46:18.880 I think that's what they would intend. It was too long, 1:46:19.040 --> 1:46:20.200 three three hours long. 1:46:21.520 --> 1:46:22.880 That's a lot of designing women. 1:46:23.439 --> 1:46:25.920 That's a lot when we're all used to, we're all 1:46:26.000 --> 1:46:28.320 used to really just an episode at a time. 1:46:29.080 --> 1:46:30.519 What are you, what have you? 1:46:30.600 --> 1:46:32.439 What do you have going on right now? I mean 1:46:32.520 --> 1:46:35.320 your IMDb has stuff on it, but we never know 1:46:35.360 --> 1:46:36.439 if those are correct. 1:46:37.400 --> 1:46:41.439 I yeah, I recur on a show called wolf Pack, 1:46:41.640 --> 1:46:46.040 where I play a narcissistic evil bitch and I'm the 1:46:46.479 --> 1:46:49.960 sort of the Mary Tyler Warren ordinary people mom to 1:46:50.320 --> 1:46:51.639 one of the wolves. 1:46:53.080 --> 1:46:56.160 Poor kid. He yeah, I really did a number on 1:46:56.360 --> 1:46:56.880 him in. 1:46:56.960 --> 1:46:59.720 His childhood and it's so bad that he needs a 1:46:59.720 --> 1:47:01.600 super power to survive me. 1:47:02.439 --> 1:47:06.760 And yeah, and I bet he'll kill me. 1:47:07.920 --> 1:47:11.160 I've been told, but I would think I would think 1:47:11.200 --> 1:47:12.719 I'm not going to be alive. 1:47:13.240 --> 1:47:14.720 I'm really evil on the show. 1:47:15.040 --> 1:47:15.559 Oh wow. 1:47:16.280 --> 1:47:19.960 Yeah. And then, as I mentioned, I am developing my 1:47:20.080 --> 1:47:22.840 own show, a big ensemble. 1:47:23.840 --> 1:47:24.560 How do I say it? 1:47:24.960 --> 1:47:29.800 It's about white Christian nationals trying to destroy our democracy. 1:47:30.640 --> 1:47:31.880 So I got that going on. 1:47:32.280 --> 1:47:32.760 Those are not. 1:47:35.479 --> 1:47:36.240 Melo drama. 1:47:36.479 --> 1:47:41.280 There'll be some there'll be some true life comedy happening there, 1:47:41.600 --> 1:47:42.719 and true life crime. 1:47:43.040 --> 1:47:45.360 And true life desperation. 1:47:45.960 --> 1:47:50.360 Wow wow wow exciting. Well, we'll keep an eye out 1:47:50.439 --> 1:47:51.720 for that. Would you be in it? 1:47:53.120 --> 1:47:55.160 If Marissa Tomay does not get the role. 1:47:55.280 --> 1:48:01.320 I will play it. It's amazing. 1:48:01.760 --> 1:48:04.240 I want to know your perspective. You seem honest and 1:48:04.320 --> 1:48:06.800 in it. What are your like when you show up 1:48:07.360 --> 1:48:10.000 on set? What are your big like red flag pet 1:48:10.040 --> 1:48:11.920 peeves where you're like, oh, this is going to be 1:48:12.120 --> 1:48:12.519 a day. 1:48:14.479 --> 1:48:19.400 They have been the aforementioned silence in the van from 1:48:20.320 --> 1:48:22.120 the place where you. 1:48:22.640 --> 1:48:24.479 I mean, I don't want to use too many sex stories. 1:48:24.479 --> 1:48:26.080 But after you get your hair and makeup on and 1:48:26.160 --> 1:48:28.800 you're getting you're going to set. If there's a bit 1:48:28.840 --> 1:48:30.760 of distance to travel, they put you in a van 1:48:31.280 --> 1:48:32.559 and you all travel together. 1:48:32.800 --> 1:48:36.200 And if it's silent in the van, is going to 1:48:36.240 --> 1:48:37.280 be a longe day? 1:48:37.840 --> 1:48:38.040 Oh? 1:48:38.840 --> 1:48:39.680 Interesting? 1:48:40.880 --> 1:48:46.760 Yeah? And then also what's very telling? And then I 1:48:46.880 --> 1:48:47.559 know how to prepare. 1:48:47.920 --> 1:48:54.960 I just stay away from the leads because shit travels downhill, right, 1:48:55.840 --> 1:48:59.360 So somebody up at the top is making everybody unhappy. 1:48:59.800 --> 1:49:03.479 It's either one of the leads or one or one 1:49:03.520 --> 1:49:07.320 of the producers, or somebody out there is an asshole, 1:49:07.479 --> 1:49:09.360 and so you just have to keep your head down, 1:49:10.000 --> 1:49:12.160 keep your mouth shut, show up and do your job 1:49:12.439 --> 1:49:13.120 and go home. 1:49:13.680 --> 1:49:17.559 Okay, stay away from the leads and chat out then. 1:49:18.040 --> 1:49:22.440 If they don't, if they don't say hello, yeah, that's 1:49:22.479 --> 1:49:25.040 a good that's a good sign that you probably just 1:49:26.120 --> 1:49:27.760 not attempt to ever say hello again. 1:49:28.120 --> 1:49:30.200 You should write a book, right do people tell you that? 1:49:30.240 --> 1:49:30.519 A lot? 1:49:30.880 --> 1:49:31.920 They do not about that. 1:49:32.120 --> 1:49:34.000 They tell me to write books about all the other 1:49:34.520 --> 1:49:37.519 horrid affairs and experiences I've had. 1:49:37.640 --> 1:49:40.960 But yeah, I probably would get sued. 1:49:41.760 --> 1:49:44.839 You're right, I I you know, I'm a little honest 1:49:44.920 --> 1:49:49.280 about that stuff, and that's known as libel or defamation. 1:49:49.760 --> 1:49:52.479 I'm sure there'd be some legal reason I would be 1:49:52.560 --> 1:49:54.760 in trouble. So it's a good thing I don't write 1:49:55.000 --> 1:49:55.800 that stuff down. 1:49:56.720 --> 1:49:59.640 No, I can't wait. I hope yours show fucking crushes. 1:50:01.360 --> 1:50:03.880 Would you rather have marisitomey or would you rather be 1:50:04.000 --> 1:50:04.200 in it? 1:50:05.479 --> 1:50:09.040 I would rather be in it for sure, for sure. 1:50:10.040 --> 1:50:17.000 Yeah, I'm I'm It's very autobiographical and it's one of 1:50:17.080 --> 1:50:20.640 the most fun roles on it in this series that 1:50:20.880 --> 1:50:24.839 I am writing. And it's kind of the comedic relief 1:50:25.560 --> 1:50:29.200 but very tragic. So it's a good one. 1:50:29.360 --> 1:50:31.600 It's a good one. I would love to play it. 1:50:32.080 --> 1:50:37.240 Yes, yeah, you two could definitely play like sisters for sure. 1:50:37.760 --> 1:50:41.320 Have you been going up against her like your entire career, No, 1:50:41.600 --> 1:50:42.080 because she. 1:50:42.280 --> 1:50:45.400 Got super famous and then I just stayed in TV 1:50:45.520 --> 1:50:46.559 and then got less famous. 1:50:46.880 --> 1:50:49.840 But I remember, I remember waiting tables. 1:50:49.520 --> 1:50:53.080 In Chicago and I hadn't even gotten on my first 1:50:53.240 --> 1:50:55.800 series yet. I was working at the Goose Island micro 1:50:55.920 --> 1:50:59.720 Brewery and I had the most vivid dream of Marisitome. 1:51:00.080 --> 1:51:02.000 My cousin Vinnie had just come out, and everybody was like, 1:51:02.080 --> 1:51:03.840 you look like cars to me. You look like Mercy 1:51:03.880 --> 1:51:05.599 to me, You act like mar to You're like Mercy 1:51:05.640 --> 1:51:05.800 to me. 1:51:06.320 --> 1:51:10.120 So I had a dream that the dream opens with 1:51:10.400 --> 1:51:14.519 me the pov of my hand knocking on a trailer door, 1:51:15.600 --> 1:51:18.639 you know, a trailer where actors go and hang out, 1:51:19.439 --> 1:51:21.960 And I'm knocking on the trailer door, and Mercy to 1:51:22.040 --> 1:51:24.720 my opens and I'm and I look down and I've 1:51:24.800 --> 1:51:28.559 got like a headset on my head and a walkie 1:51:28.640 --> 1:51:31.240 talkie and I'm the PA on a movie that she's 1:51:31.240 --> 1:51:34.160 shooting and she's the star of. And I remember thinking 1:51:35.000 --> 1:51:37.759 she's going to surpass me, and I will be upset 1:51:37.760 --> 1:51:39.439 about this for the rest of my life. 1:51:40.680 --> 1:51:41.559 And that's what happened. 1:51:43.720 --> 1:51:47.960 You're a psychic, a psychic, but I haven't been a 1:51:48.040 --> 1:51:50.080 PA yet, so a production. 1:51:50.360 --> 1:51:52.639 Yet, that's not I don't think that's in the cards 1:51:52.680 --> 1:51:57.880 for you. Oh, thank you so much, Amy. This was awesome. 1:51:58.120 --> 1:51:59.360 Thank you, thank you girls. 1:52:03.560 --> 1:52:04.280 I loved her. 1:52:04.600 --> 1:52:06.800 I want to hang out with her. I want to 1:52:06.840 --> 1:52:09.680 do everything. I want to talk shit and gossip and 1:52:09.760 --> 1:52:12.400 make fun of things and maybe I don't know, have 1:52:12.479 --> 1:52:13.719 a mohido in the backyard. 1:52:14.200 --> 1:52:14.720 She's fun. 1:52:14.760 --> 1:52:17.120 I want to see her get cast as like Marissa 1:52:17.160 --> 1:52:21.040 Tomay's like fucked up sister or something like Marissa Tomey 1:52:21.120 --> 1:52:23.000 is the good girl and then she's like the one 1:52:23.040 --> 1:52:24.759 that can't get her act together or something. 1:52:24.840 --> 1:52:27.680 I want to see that. Maybe I'm gonna write that 1:52:27.800 --> 1:52:28.360 show for them. 1:52:28.880 --> 1:52:31.400 I mean, as much as we love Amy, this episode 1:52:31.520 --> 1:52:32.640 is so infuriating. 1:52:33.360 --> 1:52:36.520 I know there's a lot of like why's in this episode, 1:52:36.720 --> 1:52:40.639 Like why are you sending your child to Catholic school 1:52:41.200 --> 1:52:44.040 when they actively hate. 1:52:43.800 --> 1:52:45.160 What you what you stand for. 1:52:45.800 --> 1:52:49.600 But you know, I already talk about the Hillsong documentary 1:52:49.680 --> 1:52:50.400 on this podcast. 1:52:50.920 --> 1:52:54.479 Yeah, okay, I forget when, but we did. Okay, great. 1:52:54.560 --> 1:52:56.599 It's just when people are like, oh, I can't believe 1:52:56.680 --> 1:53:01.720 this church is patriarchal, it's like, yeah, yeah, what do 1:53:01.760 --> 1:53:03.840 you think was gonna happen? I just don't get pushing 1:53:03.880 --> 1:53:05.840 your kids, But I meant the infuriating more of the 1:53:05.880 --> 1:53:10.759 true crime in the naties in the nineties, a grandma 1:53:10.960 --> 1:53:15.160 just snatching her daughter's kid. What because she's like, it 1:53:15.360 --> 1:53:18.240 is it's bonkers that that happened, and it is. 1:53:19.479 --> 1:53:20.320 I don't know everything. 1:53:20.400 --> 1:53:23.240 It's really high baking, Like I really I really hated 1:53:23.280 --> 1:53:23.960 hearing about that. 1:53:24.160 --> 1:53:27.200 But I mean, atting Target, what are we doing? 1:53:28.280 --> 1:53:28.600 You know what? 1:53:29.000 --> 1:53:33.920 It's tough because I read this whole Twitter thread from 1:53:34.200 --> 1:53:38.680 a trans worker at Target who was like, yeah, move 1:53:38.760 --> 1:53:40.759 the display to the back. I don't want to get shot. 1:53:41.240 --> 1:53:43.560 I don't think it's I need to get shot for 1:53:43.680 --> 1:53:47.719 this performative ally ship like who Like Target's been forever 1:53:48.040 --> 1:53:52.439 supporting gay LGBTQ community. They have done it forever, like 1:53:52.680 --> 1:53:54.800 just because the stuff's not right in the front. I 1:53:54.880 --> 1:53:56.439 don't want to get shot. I don't think my life 1:53:56.520 --> 1:54:00.439 is worth getting hurt by these people, which I understand 1:54:00.479 --> 1:54:04.719 their point of view, but I also feel like, let's 1:54:04.720 --> 1:54:06.800 get security and get people out of there. The minute 1:54:06.800 --> 1:54:08.599 you touch a display, you're fucking out of there. 1:54:08.880 --> 1:54:09.400 But you never know. 1:54:09.439 --> 1:54:11.320 I mean it's like they're too fast, these people with guns. 1:54:11.360 --> 1:54:13.760 I also, I also don't live in an open carry state. 1:54:13.880 --> 1:54:16.320 I don't live in a state where you know, I 1:54:16.439 --> 1:54:19.599 feel like guns are just everybody fucking has a million 1:54:19.680 --> 1:54:24.480 of them. So I'm not I'm speaking from a privileged 1:54:24.520 --> 1:54:26.639 place where I go to my Target and I feel 1:54:26.640 --> 1:54:27.200 pretty safe. 1:54:28.439 --> 1:54:32.400 Yeah, I just the hateful people really have swayed. Dude, 1:54:32.800 --> 1:54:37.000 Like I heard the stocks. It's just it is because 1:54:37.040 --> 1:54:39.120 it's been pride shit at Target for years. 1:54:40.600 --> 1:54:44.320 Yeah. Well alcohol rinds go gay every June for years. 1:54:44.600 --> 1:54:47.560 I know, but it, like everything, it's complete miscommunication. With 1:54:47.680 --> 1:54:50.680 Dylan mulvaney, they sent her one bud light can and 1:54:50.800 --> 1:54:53.400 they thought this transperson is gonna be on all my 1:54:53.440 --> 1:54:55.440 bud light cans, and that's when they went crazy. 1:54:55.640 --> 1:54:57.400 It's not true. I don't know why you care, but 1:54:57.480 --> 1:54:58.280 it's also not true. 1:54:58.680 --> 1:55:01.200 They also for the Target thing, they thought that there 1:55:01.320 --> 1:55:05.440 was tucking tucking bathing suits being sold to children. 1:55:05.520 --> 1:55:05.800 They're not. 1:55:05.880 --> 1:55:08.480 They're in adult sizes, they're not four children like, So 1:55:09.320 --> 1:55:12.840 everything's misinformation. They all just get misinformation, and they're all 1:55:12.920 --> 1:55:15.040 like dumb and can't think critically, the. 1:55:15.080 --> 1:55:19.520 Bigots, So it's tough. It's really tough. 1:55:19.560 --> 1:55:22.080 But I understand Target wanting to keep their employees safe. 1:55:22.120 --> 1:55:24.320 But I also understand the idea of not cow tewing, 1:55:24.920 --> 1:55:29.160 like don't negotiate with terrorists. But actually, our former guests 1:55:29.240 --> 1:55:33.320 of this podcast, Rachelle Lefev, was going through it because 1:55:33.680 --> 1:55:35.880 she put up on her Instagram because she has a 1:55:35.920 --> 1:55:38.800 non binary child, and then all these people were coming 1:55:38.880 --> 1:55:41.000 at her in the comments about her non binary. 1:55:40.720 --> 1:55:42.480 Child and it was fucked up. 1:55:42.600 --> 1:55:42.760 Man. 1:55:42.840 --> 1:55:45.840 There's just a lot of gross hate out there, and 1:55:47.160 --> 1:55:48.760 it is and for us too. 1:55:48.840 --> 1:55:51.360 It's like all we do is research how the straits 1:55:51.400 --> 1:55:55.080 are out there killing and molesting, Like, yeah, all of 1:55:55.160 --> 1:55:58.880 our evidence points to it's your dad, it's your uncle, 1:55:58.960 --> 1:56:02.280 and it's your pastor so like you barely. 1:56:02.160 --> 1:56:06.120 Ever had a crime where it was an LGBTQ person, 1:56:06.880 --> 1:56:09.480 Like barely well maybe I know. 1:56:10.600 --> 1:56:12.920 I think Eileen Warnos was into women, but you know, 1:56:13.760 --> 1:56:14.600 she did what she had to do. 1:56:15.480 --> 1:56:18.920 She was covered also abused by straight men, yes, and 1:56:19.000 --> 1:56:20.480 a whole town of straight people. 1:56:20.720 --> 1:56:23.760 It's just like, I don't know, it's so hard. 1:56:24.000 --> 1:56:25.680 I can't believe they ripped this child out of this 1:56:25.800 --> 1:56:30.480 mother loving mother's hands. When people you should be so 1:56:30.600 --> 1:56:33.080 lucky to have great parents, you know, loving parents. It's 1:56:33.200 --> 1:56:37.080 all just so fucked up. I like, you know, one, 1:56:37.680 --> 1:56:40.840 it's hard not to spiral. I'm back in the spiraling. 1:56:40.400 --> 1:56:48.880 Phase of life. Yeah, it feels very spirally. It's not good. Yeah, 1:56:49.080 --> 1:56:50.840 it's really it's tough. 1:56:51.000 --> 1:56:54.000 And like, I mean, yeah, like I was starting to 1:56:54.040 --> 1:56:58.040 spiral yesterday reading about how Trump, if he gets elected 1:56:58.080 --> 1:57:00.520 says he wants to get rid of birth like basically 1:57:00.640 --> 1:57:02.440 like the amendment that says if you're born in the US, 1:57:02.520 --> 1:57:04.880 you're a citizen, so that people stop, you know, so 1:57:05.000 --> 1:57:08.080 that immigrants stop coming and having babies here. And I 1:57:08.240 --> 1:57:10.440 was just like, no, and like I was reading all 1:57:10.480 --> 1:57:12.480 these Twitter comments. I mean, Twitter is so horrible. Now 1:57:12.480 --> 1:57:13.960 I gotta get off. I got I really got to 1:57:14.000 --> 1:57:14.240 get off. 1:57:14.280 --> 1:57:19.840 It's fucked up. But this episode we learned a lot. 1:57:20.600 --> 1:57:22.560 I mean we learned that. 1:57:23.160 --> 1:57:27.760 I Mean. The thing is, we bash religion a lot. 1:57:27.920 --> 1:57:30.000 And I know some of you do like church, but 1:57:31.200 --> 1:57:34.600 I'm still I think it's dumb. And that's you know, 1:57:34.840 --> 1:57:35.440 that's you're right. 1:57:35.600 --> 1:57:38.720 Other people can't and other people have said, like, you know, 1:57:38.760 --> 1:57:39.960 there are good parts of church. 1:57:40.040 --> 1:57:41.600 I'm sure there are. I'm sure there are. 1:57:42.000 --> 1:57:46.440 In this specific case of these fictional people. I think 1:57:46.520 --> 1:57:47.280 it's strange. 1:57:47.560 --> 1:57:47.800 I do. 1:57:47.960 --> 1:57:51.040 I also do the grandma. Guess who loves Jesus? The grandma? 1:57:51.200 --> 1:57:51.320 Yea. 1:57:51.360 --> 1:57:53.640 The worst one of all is lying, not a sin. 1:57:53.840 --> 1:57:56.960 I'm sorry. I thought lying was one of the mortal sins. 1:57:57.160 --> 1:57:58.200 I don't understand it. 1:57:58.560 --> 1:58:01.160 Yeah, bearing, false witness, et cetera. I don't know what 1:58:01.240 --> 1:58:02.240 the different sins are. 1:58:02.240 --> 1:58:07.280 But I know, you know, the Seven Deadly Sins. Yeah, 1:58:07.360 --> 1:58:08.680 only because of the movie seven. 1:58:09.240 --> 1:58:10.920 Oh you're right, no, but that's different than the ten 1:58:11.000 --> 1:58:15.840 command yeah, which yeah, I meant, yeah, well, seven Deadly Sins. 1:58:15.880 --> 1:58:18.240 I literally just go through the movie seven and I'm like, Okay, 1:58:18.360 --> 1:58:20.280 there's slow, there's lust. 1:58:20.440 --> 1:58:24.480 Or there's the America's Next Top Model episode photo shoot too. 1:58:24.720 --> 1:58:27.240 Oh they did that well, it was actually really really 1:58:27.280 --> 1:58:29.400 fucked up, and I bet production did this on purpose. 1:58:29.560 --> 1:58:31.720 But it was the Seven Deadly Sins. 1:58:31.800 --> 1:58:34.840 But they were posing in caskets that were lowered into 1:58:34.920 --> 1:58:37.680 the ground, so they were literally in like a graveyard 1:58:37.920 --> 1:58:41.000 deep six feet under in a casket, doing seven Deadly 1:58:41.080 --> 1:58:44.320 Sins photo shoot. But one of the girl's friends took 1:58:44.360 --> 1:58:46.200 their own life the day before, and she like found 1:58:46.240 --> 1:58:49.400 out crying hysterically her friend died or overdose or something, 1:58:49.640 --> 1:58:52.040 and then they made her film at the graveyard. 1:58:52.800 --> 1:58:55.560 Like sometimes that show is like fear factor. 1:58:56.120 --> 1:58:56.320 Yeah. 1:58:56.400 --> 1:58:58.560 I really feel like sometimes they're like, how can we 1:58:58.640 --> 1:59:01.520 get these models to absol have a nervous breakdown like 1:59:01.960 --> 1:59:04.760 doing something with heights or something gross or whatever that 1:59:04.840 --> 1:59:09.200 they don't cutting their hair. I mean, but yeah, in 1:59:09.360 --> 1:59:12.040 this specific case with these fictional people, I don't see 1:59:12.200 --> 1:59:15.760 why you would want to if you have a family 1:59:16.120 --> 1:59:19.000 dynamic that is outside of the church's teachings, why you 1:59:19.040 --> 1:59:20.920 would feel that that is super important to teach your 1:59:20.960 --> 1:59:24.360 kids when there are and this episode's older, but now 1:59:24.400 --> 1:59:28.120 today there are like multi faith or like there's LGBTQ 1:59:28.280 --> 1:59:30.720 friendly churches that like welcome that and like you know, 1:59:30.800 --> 1:59:34.160 probably have schools attached that would not would teach you 1:59:34.320 --> 1:59:39.040 faith based practices of loving your neighbor and this and that, 1:59:39.280 --> 1:59:41.080 but not tell you that it's a sin that your 1:59:41.120 --> 1:59:42.200 moms are together. 1:59:42.160 --> 1:59:44.680 You know, and also the parents of the boy you 1:59:44.800 --> 1:59:47.440 raise a shitty kid. I'm sorry he can't walk again, 1:59:47.560 --> 1:59:50.760 but like he sucked and he's done, and it's really 1:59:50.880 --> 1:59:51.520 got it in there. 1:59:52.360 --> 1:59:54.840 I really got that andet those scissors in there to 1:59:54.880 --> 1:59:56.160 go to sever the spinal cord. 1:59:56.200 --> 1:59:57.440 It's like your seven. 1:59:57.880 --> 2:00:00.200 And we do love the pastor that let everyone use 2:00:00.280 --> 2:00:02.640 his car. Never mind, we do love him. 2:00:03.160 --> 2:00:05.560 We love him. See, there's a good part to every religion. 2:00:05.680 --> 2:00:08.760 There's a good part for every grandma that's brainwashing their 2:00:08.840 --> 2:00:11.080 daughter and their granddaughter to thinking that her mom is 2:00:11.120 --> 2:00:14.720 a child molester. There's a pastor who lets everybody drive 2:00:14.800 --> 2:00:15.080 his car. 2:00:15.800 --> 2:00:16.240 We love that. 2:00:17.200 --> 2:00:19.600 And I think we learned in this episode in terms 2:00:19.680 --> 2:00:21.839 of parental alienation syndrome. 2:00:21.880 --> 2:00:24.440 Make sure you check your sources. Double take. 2:00:25.320 --> 2:00:28.480 Yes, well, this actually leads me perfectly into our what 2:00:28.560 --> 2:00:29.400 would Sister peg do? 2:00:29.680 --> 2:00:32.560 I wasn't even planned, which you. 2:00:32.600 --> 2:00:34.640 Guys know is our weekly segment where we direct you 2:00:34.720 --> 2:00:38.840 towards like an article, an organization, a doc, a blog post, 2:00:38.920 --> 2:00:40.480 something to help you give to give you more info. 2:00:40.520 --> 2:00:41.480 And what we talked about today. 2:00:41.800 --> 2:00:45.320 And after we recorded this episode, like a day ago, 2:00:45.600 --> 2:00:48.560 I was scrolling and I follow Pro Publica, who does 2:00:48.680 --> 2:00:52.480 great work that I believe is like community funded. They 2:00:52.600 --> 2:00:57.200 do really great in depth like articles about injustices happening 2:00:57.240 --> 2:00:59.960 all over the world. So they released an article called 2:01:00.160 --> 2:01:02.560 a court ordered siblings to a reunification camp with their 2:01:02.640 --> 2:01:06.600 estranged father. The children say it was abusive, a long title, 2:01:06.720 --> 2:01:08.440 but we're going to link to it in our stories. 2:01:08.600 --> 2:01:13.320 And basically it investigates a reunification camp called Turning Points 2:01:13.360 --> 2:01:16.600 for Families, which I believe is in Texas, and its 2:01:16.640 --> 2:01:20.760 alleged purpose is to repair the relationships between alienated parents, 2:01:21.600 --> 2:01:24.360 like children who have been alienated from their parents, and 2:01:24.520 --> 2:01:27.760 the camp specializes damage caused by parential alienation. 2:01:27.920 --> 2:01:30.480 They say, so as we know, it's a. 2:01:30.560 --> 2:01:33.720 Dubious psychological theory at best, not accepted in courts. And 2:01:33.840 --> 2:01:36.400 this even though it is like it's not, but it is. 2:01:37.400 --> 2:01:41.160 And this camp's methods are very controversial and mysterious. And 2:01:41.280 --> 2:01:43.680 this is why it's so disturbing that they're requiring a 2:01:43.720 --> 2:01:47.000 strange parents and their children to attend. In this specific article, 2:01:47.240 --> 2:01:49.400 they required the kids to attend after a couple of days. 2:01:49.400 --> 2:01:50.200 They did not want to do it. 2:01:50.320 --> 2:01:52.640 They really hated it. They got brought to the hospital 2:01:53.160 --> 2:01:56.360 during this short time. The mother was not permitted to 2:01:56.400 --> 2:01:59.640 see them during this time, and it just it feels 2:02:00.160 --> 2:02:02.120 really crazy. And I really want you guys to read 2:02:02.120 --> 2:02:05.839 this article because it elaborates a lot on what Lisa discovered, 2:02:05.880 --> 2:02:08.640 which was, oh, people are using this defense, but it's 2:02:08.760 --> 2:02:13.880 not medically accepted or accepted by any psychological institutions. 2:02:14.360 --> 2:02:18.760 So if you'd like to know, Mark, yeah, I am horrified. 2:02:19.360 --> 2:02:21.800 Yeah, and it's you can go on over to Pro 2:02:21.920 --> 2:02:24.440 Publica or as always, the link is in our show 2:02:24.480 --> 2:02:26.760 notes and in our instagram in the what would Sister 2:02:26.840 --> 2:02:29.720 peg Do highlight that we put up that's always there 2:02:29.760 --> 2:02:34.480 on our Instagram, but really really wild, and I'm really 2:02:35.640 --> 2:02:40.560 glad that Lisa kind of stumbled upon this being not good. 2:02:40.800 --> 2:02:42.760 Well, and this reminds me I haven't watched the Randall 2:02:42.840 --> 2:02:45.760 Emmett Hulu thing yet, but I'm just going off of 2:02:45.920 --> 2:02:48.920 like Laala at the vander Pumprey reunion, but it's this 2:02:49.040 --> 2:02:51.520 thing of like and I've heard bits and pieces at 2:02:51.560 --> 2:02:54.480 the dock where he wasn't at the birth, He like 2:02:54.560 --> 2:02:56.040 left her there and was like whatever, it's not like 2:02:56.080 --> 2:02:59.040 the kid cares till five, like so, and what she 2:02:59.120 --> 2:03:01.160 said where she was like, I could never get him 2:03:01.200 --> 2:03:02.880 to stay home, and then when she hit the fan, 2:03:02.960 --> 2:03:05.080 I couldn't get him to leave. And now he's fighting for, 2:03:06.160 --> 2:03:08.120 you know, custody of a kid he didn't even want 2:03:08.160 --> 2:03:12.720 to be around, and it's all like it's all just 2:03:13.920 --> 2:03:16.400 a game and control and it's not about the kids 2:03:16.440 --> 2:03:16.800 at all. 2:03:17.160 --> 2:03:19.920 The custody is about controlling her and making her feel 2:03:20.960 --> 2:03:21.640 like he owns her. 2:03:21.800 --> 2:03:25.080 Like honestly, is that is it? Like Randall does not 2:03:25.160 --> 2:03:26.760 give a shit about being with that kid? 2:03:27.240 --> 2:03:30.440 No, And we just I don't understand why we're supporting it, 2:03:30.760 --> 2:03:33.920 Like as a culture, it's just like, well, what about 2:03:33.960 --> 2:03:34.440 the dads? 2:03:34.480 --> 2:03:38.240 Fuck those dads. I don't know. Well, that's fucking that's patriarch. 2:03:38.280 --> 2:03:40.280 I mean, like just the fact that this is mostly 2:03:40.440 --> 2:03:43.080 used as a defense against dads. Are you saying that 2:03:43.680 --> 2:03:46.040 dads are never talking shit about the moms. Dads are 2:03:46.120 --> 2:03:48.480 never trying to tell their kids that their mom is crazy? 2:03:48.680 --> 2:03:54.440 Like, come on, it's just really dark and twisted, and 2:03:54.520 --> 2:03:57.560 it's like, you guys want moms to raise the kids, 2:03:57.600 --> 2:03:58.720 and then as soon as. 2:03:58.960 --> 2:04:00.160 This then it's not. 2:04:00.880 --> 2:04:03.880 It's like then if they stay behind Yeah, yeah, fuck, 2:04:04.720 --> 2:04:07.160 I'm gonna read this camp thing yeah and get mad. 2:04:07.480 --> 2:04:10.080 You know I'm not mad enough day to day? Okay, 2:04:10.760 --> 2:04:13.680 next week, please join us. We'll be doing that episode Privilege, 2:04:14.600 --> 2:04:19.560 season four, episode seventeen Hulu Peacock, which is my new 2:04:19.680 --> 2:04:20.080 lord and. 2:04:20.120 --> 2:04:21.080 Saviors, Peacock. 2:04:21.280 --> 2:04:23.880 I'm I pray to the altar of Peacock to give 2:04:23.960 --> 2:04:26.760 us uncensored reunions. I want to hear Andy Cohen say 2:04:26.800 --> 2:04:30.160 fuck all day long, like, oh yeah, we thought Peacock 2:04:30.280 --> 2:04:32.920 was gonna be Ciso, and then Peacock is now better 2:04:33.000 --> 2:04:33.560 than anything. 2:04:33.960 --> 2:04:34.760 Peacock is good. 2:04:34.840 --> 2:04:37.880 Wait, somebody talked about how HBO Max they dropped HBO and. 2:04:37.880 --> 2:04:38.680 Now they're just Max. 2:04:38.760 --> 2:04:44.400 And then somebody tweeted your move, Peacock. I thought that 2:04:44.520 --> 2:04:46.400 was so funny. Sorry, I can't credit the tweet. 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