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Speaker 1: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcast. That's so Gary,

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Speaker 1: Kenny Florian, God, because you're your hosts, John Annick and

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Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 2: It is the weekly highlight for Kenny Flori and The

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Speaker 2: Annik and Florian Podcast. Monday July sixteenth, twenty eighteen, Episode

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Speaker 2: one sixty three.

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Speaker 3: It is good to see you. It is always good

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Speaker 3: to see you.

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Speaker 2: We were having some audio issues figured out and we

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Speaker 2: were talking about the cameras right and how they're framing

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Speaker 2: up your shot.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how they ever try to frame me up.

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Speaker 2: I cannot sit still, I cannot stay in the frame,

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Speaker 2: So I would assume they just punt when it comes

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Speaker 2: to trying to frame me up for this show. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I missed those audio only days. Ken Flow, Yeah, just.

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Speaker 4: Half of your face. It's fine, It's fine. It's the

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Speaker 4: Flow Show.

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Speaker 2: Annie, come on, well anyway, it is the Flow Show,

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Speaker 2: just like the post fight show. You're sitting in that

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Speaker 2: lead analyst seat. Look great. By the way. I like

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Speaker 2: the wardrobe. I don't know who dressed you this weekend,

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Speaker 2: but I like how the pocket squared doesn't at all

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Speaker 2: match the neck tie because that's the way it's done.

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Speaker 3: You that's right. That's right.

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Speaker 4: A new suit, by the way, no big deal. Ooh

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Speaker 4: my name had my name stitched into the suit. That's

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Speaker 4: how you know it's for real.

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Speaker 2: I know you're keeping the hair a little bit shorter

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Speaker 2: these days, which you like. I mean, you could always

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Speaker 2: go shorter, but you know, respect people's differences, right. So

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Speaker 2: this has been a crazy UFC stretch, six live events

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Speaker 2: actually in a span of thirty days, July sixth to

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Speaker 2: August fourth, and this was obviously a tough week, tough

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Speaker 2: act to follow for Boise after UFC two twenty six

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Speaker 2: and Daniel Cormier's big win. And Ray Long is going

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Speaker 2: to join us here in a few minutes, but we're

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Speaker 2: gonna get into the Boise stuff here off the top.

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Speaker 2: And it seems like oftentimes, Kenny, we'd lead with the

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Speaker 2: main event or a championship fight if you have a

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Speaker 2: championship double header. But I feel like on a week

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Speaker 2: like this, we should lead with the most relevant win.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if they ask you that on

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Speaker 3: the postfight show.

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Speaker 2: To me, the biggest win of the weekend belonged to

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Speaker 2: Super Sage North Cut, and I'd like to start there,

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Speaker 2: you know, I thought this was a good test for

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Speaker 2: him at this one in time, and you know, a

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Speaker 2: lot of people thought he was going to be a problem,

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Speaker 2: Tyrone Woodley chief among them. And I know you've sort

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Speaker 2: of been on the bandwagon early. I think Sage Northcott

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Speaker 2: has some real potential eight or nine UFC fights at

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Speaker 2: twenty two years old, and uh none bigger than when

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Speaker 2: he got this weekend and the way he had to

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Speaker 2: get it, I think for you, I think.

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Speaker 4: I was on the bandwagon early, and then I was

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Speaker 4: off the bandwagon for a little while and a little

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Speaker 4: harsh towards Sage nor Yeah at times, just you know,

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Speaker 4: I said, listen, he should develop outside of the UFC

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Speaker 4: then come back. Why because you know, coming up in

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Speaker 4: the UFC is a very difficult thing to do.

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Speaker 3: I had to do it.

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Speaker 4: I had to trip up repeatedly, fighting high level competition

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Speaker 4: all the time, and it's a tough way to come up.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: I wish I had way more experience prior to getting

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Speaker 4: And for Sage, you could see the potential clearly, and

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Speaker 4: you know we saw him struggle as well, especially against

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Speaker 4: Guess what He answered that call extremely well on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there couldn't be a worse way to start

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Speaker 4: He gets hit with a huge shot, gets dropped, Zach

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Speaker 4: Gotto gets on top, got mount at one point, you know,

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Speaker 4: And he was able to get himself back to his

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Speaker 4: a huge fight for his development both technically psychologically as

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Speaker 3: And I think stage this is gonna be huge for

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Speaker 3: him confidence wise. Moving forward. You said on the postfight

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Speaker 3: shows like three fights in one right.

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Speaker 2: You had the early adversary adversity had to fight off

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Speaker 2: good tests within that fight for Sage north Cut, I mean,

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Speaker 2: am I crazy and saying it was the most relevant

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Speaker 2: divisional ramifications the way Junior Dosantos's win will. But I

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Speaker 2: almost twenty when Sage was born March first, nineteen ninety six,

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Speaker 2: and we talk about Stefan Struve and some of these

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Speaker 3: I mean, Saves looks solid to me.

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Speaker 2: Man, He's got like a big chin when he's a

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Speaker 2: little bit filled out, you know. And I say that

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Speaker 2: not talking about his body fat, but he looked good

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Speaker 2: at one hundred and seventy pounds. I'm not saying zach

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Speaker 2: Otto is any world beater who he's alternated wins and

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Speaker 2: But I'm intrigued by Sage north Cut moving forward and

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Speaker 3: I agree. I think they're doing good things with him

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Speaker 4: I think defensively, he's got some stuff he needs to

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Speaker 3: But again, he's twenty two years old at the end

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Speaker 4: Of course he's got some stuff to work on, you know,

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Speaker 4: excited about Sage again. Did some good stuff with his

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Speaker 4: I was expecting a little bit more out of their performance,

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Speaker 2: Right and Chad Mendez Alexander Volkanowski. There are arguments to

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Speaker 2: be made that those were big wins this weekend, of course.

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Speaker 2: So I'm proposing a new nickname though for Sage north Cut. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think we should call him the breath of fresh

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Speaker 2: Air on the front of his name, like super Sage

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Speaker 2: north Cut is nice, but I think, like Beast in

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Speaker 2: twenty five eight, you gotta evolve, and I think that's

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Speaker 2: what he is to this sport and a lot of respects. Right,

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Speaker 2: mister Florian, He's the breath of fresh air, Sage north Cut.

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Speaker 3: That's a super nickname, mister anniky.

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Speaker 2: Well, always a breath of fresh air. Let's get to

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Speaker 2: Ray Longo.

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Speaker 1: It's now time for the Ray Longo minutes.

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Speaker 7: And I'm gonna points a hole in this fucking such

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Speaker 7: that's what I want with.

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Speaker 1: The Ray Long minute.

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Speaker 3: During Ray long the.

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Speaker 1: John Nick and Kenny Florian podcast.

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Speaker 2: Can always tell a kind of mood Ray is in.

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Speaker 2: So he wasn't smiling right out of the shoot today.

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Speaker 2: Now you're smiling a little bit, but you're having an

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Speaker 2: okay Monday.

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Speaker 7: Ray Oh man, It's it's sweltering hot over in Long Island.

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Speaker 2: It is amazing everybody in the northeast and Kenny and

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Speaker 2: I have a combined sixty plus years living in the

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Speaker 2: great state of Massachusetts. Everybody in the Northeast during the

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Speaker 2: summer complains about the heat. I mean, why why does

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Speaker 2: and in the summer. Y'all pitch about that too.

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Speaker 7: Well, listen, John, it's the most moved out of state

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Speaker 7: in the country. So I think, not only right, they're

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Speaker 7: taking action. But my problem is that to do the podcast,

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Speaker 7: I have to lock the door in my office, which

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Speaker 7: is on a conditions we take it to another level.

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Speaker 3: Geez.

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Speaker 7: As I was sitting there, wait and I was like,

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Speaker 7: I don't know if I could take this much along Like.

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Speaker 4: Bacon, that had to be Wideman's decision. Get some ac

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Speaker 2: And again, all you have to do is walk into

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how many strangers? How many weird strangers? Have you come?

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Speaker 3: Have you come across everything?

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Speaker 5: And you know, Kenny, you notice because now you have

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it can bites them all to my gym,

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Speaker 4: to your gym. It's ridiculous. We got we got people,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that should be a reality show. I start taping

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Speaker 3: I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding you.

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Speaker 4: We had someone walk in into Muraki and she was

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Speaker 3: It was It's terrible.

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Speaker 4: It was a person that just came right in and

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Speaker 3: So uh, I blame Anic for this.

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Speaker 4: I blame Manic for this awkward situation during class.

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Speaker 5: I'd rather have a naked woman walking than some of

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you want this woman walking in

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we had a back last week, but she was

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right.

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Speaker 2: I think Kenny's insinuating you got poor people who don't

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Speaker 2: have a home coming in Stanic and Florian podcast listen.

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Speaker 4: Not a good situation. I blame Anic somehow she listens

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Speaker 4: to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Apparently I apologize for a lot of things much more

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Speaker 2: than my wife does, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: So Ray.

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Speaker 2: In terms of these f s one UFC Fight nights,

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Speaker 2: And how long these shows go six or seven hours?

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Speaker 2: We ask a lot of MMA fans forty Saturday nights

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Speaker 2: God help me. But for me, staying up for Dosantos

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Speaker 2: and even Off on the East Coast is a huge ask.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was certainly a forgettable night for the judges,

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Speaker 2: That's right, great right long ago with us here on

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Speaker 2: to take his five minutes there, whereas I think Cormier

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Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of a higher fight, IQ might

441
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Speaker 2: take those full five minutes if he was really compromised,

442
00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,960
Speaker 2: where Stepe would probably just want to get back in

443
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,240
Speaker 2: there and resume business. You know, it seems like Steve

444
00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,840
Speaker 2: a just can't wait to get to fight night and

445
00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,760
Speaker 2: actually get in there and fight. But certainly part of

446
00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,280
Speaker 2: the storyline in the narrative that we regretted, not at

447
00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,480
Speaker 2: least bringing up last week. You've been talking about these themes, right,

448
00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,840
Speaker 2: how UFC fight nights end up taking on a theme,

449
00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,919
Speaker 2: and this weekend, as long ago talked about the judges

450
00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,240
Speaker 2: scorecards were a theme here, Ken Flow and I hate

451
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,399
Speaker 2: to laugh, right because you're talking about people's livelihood. And

452
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,359
Speaker 2: as I tweeted over the weekend, you know, a fighter's

453
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,280
Speaker 2: job is hard enough. But Rick Glenn versus Dennis Bermute,

454
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Speaker 2: as a lot of people thought that that fight maybe

455
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 2: could have gone either way, but should have gone to

456
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Speaker 2: Dennis Bermute, as he certainly felt that way. Alexander Volkonowski

457
00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,920
Speaker 2: versus Darren Elkins, the right guy won the fight, obviously,

458
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,520
Speaker 2: but two judges had it twenty nine to twenty eight.

459
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Speaker 2: There by giving Darren Elkins a round which I know

460
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Speaker 2: you and I disagree with, and then sayied Normago Matov

461
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,359
Speaker 2: against Justin Scoggins. I don't like the word robbery, but

462
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,159
Speaker 2: I think this one gets closer to that description than

463
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Speaker 2: a lot of fights I've seen called that recently split

464
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 2: goes to Nirmago Mattaw, a fight that you and I

465
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Speaker 2: both thought Justin Scoggins won. You know, I didn't spend

466
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Speaker 2: my morning researching these judges. How long they've looked at

467
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,920
Speaker 2: mixed martial arts there in Boise, Idaho. I don't know

468
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 2: if they're local or not. But it was not good

469
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 2: this weekend, man, and you got to feel for Scoggins

470
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Speaker 2: and some other fighters.

471
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Speaker 3: It was not good at all.

472
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Speaker 4: And you know, my fear is that this starts to

473
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Speaker 4: become the norm, and we have to be very careful

474
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Speaker 4: with that. And we have to be even more careful

475
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Speaker 4: as we start to spread around this sport.

476
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Speaker 3: We need to make sure that we have quality judging.

477
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 4: And again, you're talking about things that are going to

478
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Speaker 4: define people's careers.

479
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Speaker 3: Right.

480
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Speaker 4: Dennis Bermudez was on a little bit of slide. He's

481
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 4: been struggling lately. He's trying to get back on track.

482
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Speaker 4: He's got a tough fight against Rick Glenn and I

483
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,919
Speaker 4: thought he won that third round. It really was going

484
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Speaker 4: to come down to that third round. He did not

485
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Speaker 4: get it. Justin Skogin's another guy who has been a

486
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Speaker 4: little inconsistent despite his phenomenal footwork, is high level striking.

487
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Speaker 3: You know, I thought he won that fight.

488
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Speaker 4: You could even argue that he may have won all

489
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Speaker 4: three rounds thirty twenty seven. I thought it was probably

490
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Speaker 4: a twenty nine eight for Scoggins. But that is just awful.

491
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Speaker 4: It is awful that you're affecting people's careers, you know,

492
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 4: you talk about the difference between what they're going to

493
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Speaker 4: take home or what their next fight is going to be.

494
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Speaker 4: It's awful and it's inexcusable. There's there were some really

495
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 4: bad judging calls. And then even in the fight against

496
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Speaker 4: Elkins for Volkanovski, I thought he won all three rounds there, right,

497
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Speaker 4: So not good man, not good A little scary.

498
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Speaker 2: Actually, I do think eventually we'll get there when it

499
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Speaker 2: comes to judges, and I think you're gonna have informed

500
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Speaker 2: people sitting in their basements or sitting somewhere where we

501
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 2: can sort of control away. I do think, as Joe

502
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 2: Rogan has said for years, you need more judges. But again,

503
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 2: you just have the masses all out there, some pretty

504
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 2: trained eyes at this point who all see one thing,

505
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 2: and then the three scorecards that matter at least two

506
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 2: of them see something different. And for Justin Scoggins, and

507
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 2: with respect to Saied Normago Mattov, who I know thinks

508
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 2: he won this fight and certainly had some moments, but

509
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 2: for now it reads L three.

510
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 3: He's lost five.

511
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 2: Of seven, zero to two since returning to the flyweight

512
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 2: division and definitely not getting probably a top ten guy

513
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 2: right And someone say, oh, from a matchmaking standpoint, maybe

514
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 2: they spin it forward in a good way for him,

515
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 2: and maybe they do. But half the money and a

516
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 2: three fight losing streak for Justin Scoggins. And I will

517
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Speaker 2: say too, there was one point in this fight the

518
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 2: referee Rulan Day And I don't call these guys out

519
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 2: really very often. If you look at my Twitter feed,

520
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 2: like I deleted a tweet this weekend calling these guys out.

521
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 2: If that means anything, it doesn't because I just acknowledged

522
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 2: that I did that, But sayed Normago Mannov gets a

523
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 2: seemingly dominant position on the ground Kenny and starts throwing punches,

524
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Speaker 2: and Rulan Day gets in there and stands the fighters up.

525
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 2: So if the judges could be heard from, maybe one

526
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: of them would say, you know why I gave him

527
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Speaker 2: that round because you know, he had a dominant position

528
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: on the round and the.

529
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Speaker 3: Referee took it away from him.

530
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Speaker 2: So I wanted to give him the benefit of the

531
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Speaker 2: doubt because maybe he would have controlled Scoggins there for

532
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Speaker 2: ninety seconds or two minutes and that would have affected

533
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 2: the round. But I'm sitting here watching these judges and

534
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 2: referees have a profound impact on the outcome and it's

535
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 2: really disappointing.

536
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and John, you know a lot of people, you

537
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 4: know that their most common thing on Twitter is well,

538
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 4: why don't you get former fighters or you know, former

539
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 4: coaches to go in there. Some are doing that, But

540
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 4: it's not like you're in there and make it. You know,

541
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Speaker 4: five g's, ten g's, you know, night.

542
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Speaker 3: You're not making very much.

543
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 4: It's a couple hundred bucks to be a judge, so

544
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 4: it is not easy, and it's not like you're getting

545
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 4: rewarded handsomely for doing that job that very difficult job.

546
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Speaker 3: So there's that.

547
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Speaker 4: The other thing though, is, you know, just to put

548
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Speaker 4: ourselves in the shoes of the judges. As you know, again,

549
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 4: we have the luxury when we're cage side of having

550
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Speaker 4: a monitor, right and everyone at home is watching the fights.

551
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Speaker 3: We're getting all of the best angles.

552
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 4: When you're in the octagon or when your octagon's side,

553
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 4: you're not seeing all those things. So one thing that

554
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 4: needs to be rectified, in my opinion, is having a monitor.

555
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 4: Having something there now you can call into question, well

556
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,479
Speaker 4: what about the biased angles? You know, you know, what

557
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 4: angle are you going to give them? You know, how

558
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 4: do you know what to give them? When the productions,

559
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 4: you know, kind of managing that. I don't know, maybe

560
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 4: you have three angles out there. I don't know what

561
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 4: it is. But it's very difficult to see all the

562
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 4: shots landing. When the fighters back it's to you. You

563
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 4: don't know what's landing. All you can kind of go

564
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 4: on is maybe the oohs and ahs of the fans

565
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 4: or you know, thinking that maybe he landed a shot.

566
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 4: If the fighter moves his head back or whatever, that

567
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily mean they landed the shot.

568
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 3: So it is a very difficult thing.

569
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 4: But again, just to have monitors cage side, I think

570
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 4: really would help a lot. But now again I know

571
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 4: there's other territory there where it gets questionable. Okay, well

572
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 4: what angles You're going to give them all that stuff?

573
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 4: But I don't know something needs to be done because

574
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Speaker 4: I just don't think they're seeing the whole picture here

575
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Speaker 4: with the judges and where they're sitting on the.

576
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Speaker 3: Octagon, and you have issues too.

577
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 2: It's commission to commission, right, Because I could sit here

578
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 2: and say, all right, right, if the UFC control that,

579
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: you spend four hundred thousand dollars a year on judges, right,

580
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: and you don't have to travel them necessarily, they just

581
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: have to have noise canceled. Five judges a show, forty shows.

582
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,719
Speaker 2: You give me each two thousand dollars, so you make

583
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 2: it worth their while. That's four hundred thousand dollars. But

584
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 2: I think at least you need to cancel noise, and

585
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: at least you need five judges, and universally, you've got

586
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: to get to a better place than you are right now.

587
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: And it's just so simplistic to say you have to

588
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: finish fights now. I do think for coaches, I think

589
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 2: it applies to coaches right that you need to be

590
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 2: of an understanding that you're not going to be bailed

591
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: out by judges or open scoring in the UFC. So

592
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: I do think it's incumbent upon coaches to force finishes

593
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: a little bit. But fighters have enough on their plate,

594
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 2: you know, trying to get something done in there.

595
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Speaker 3: It's just I don't know.

596
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: I didn't intend to spend this much time on it,

597
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: but what a fucking nightmare it was this weekend. A

598
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: lot of respects, so Junior Dosantos keeps himself a heavyweight

599
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 2: contender here and a guy who's in that top three

600
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: to five with a win over the debuting Blogoy Ivnov.

601
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 2: Fifty to forty five times three for JDS. I know

602
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: t Wood was maybe more critical than you were on

603
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 2: the post fight show, but it's not like you were

604
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 2: super kind either, and I think as would they put it,

605
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: you know, when you have opportunities in a fight like this,

606
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: given Junior Dosantos is standing as a former champion and

607
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: a top rank contender, you got to throw the heat

608
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: and try to try to put a guy away. And

609
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 2: I think too often, to your point on the postfight show,

610
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: it was you know, ones and twos and a one, two, three,

611
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: but just not much thereafter. And I'm not sure this

612
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 2: is gonna get Dosantos maybe where he thought it would

613
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: given the nature of this one.

614
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And listen, Juniors had to a great guy,

615
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 4: So it's tough to criticize someone like that and someone

616
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 4: who certainly has done so many great things in this sport.

617
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 4: But again, he's coming in, you know, with you know,

618
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 4: a couple of knockout losses here, so he's coming from

619
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 4: that place. He had to play it a little bit

620
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 4: more conservatively. He had to be a little bit safer.

621
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Speaker 4: But the way that you can go about it, you

622
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 4: can do it. You can go for the knockout in

623
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 4: a safer way. He wasn't cutting Angles, who was basically

624
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 4: staying right in front of of even Off, So yeah,

625
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 4: I think that's why he felt a little threatened. He

626
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 4: was just looking for one shots and kind of getting

627
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 4: in and getting out.

628
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just had to go about it in a

629
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 3: in a better way.

630
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 4: I would have liked to see him finish those combinations

631
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 4: with his hands with a high kick, because even Off

632
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 4: was right there his hands were dropping. I thought that

633
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 4: was a shot that really would have taken out even Off,

634
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 4: and even Off, you know, to his credit, he showed it.

635
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: He had a great chin.

636
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 4: But De Santos, you know, even at heavyweight, you can't

637
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 4: just look for one shots. You can't just look for

638
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 4: one shot and expect the guy to just kind of drop.

639
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 4: Even Off has a lot of experience. He's tough as hell.

640
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 4: If you notice those scars as a guy who has

641
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 4: been stabbed, was almost dead or actually was like you know,

642
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: uh yeah, he had to come back, come back to

643
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 4: life off of a stabbing went right right through his heart.

644
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 4: So this guy was tough obviously, But De Santo said,

645
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 4: you know, if you wanted to put him away, needed

646
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 4: to put together better combinations, cut those angles, so if

647
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 4: he did land those combinations, he'd be out of harm's

648
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 4: way instead of staying right in front of him, you know,

649
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 4: just trading shot for shot, because even Off would just

650
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 4: throw one shot back and then it would land on.

651
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 3: Do Santos had to respect even Off there.

652
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 4: So yeah, listen, I think he's still probably getting accustomed

653
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 4: to training over at American Top team. But hopefully he

654
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 4: looks back at this performance and says, you know what,

655
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Speaker 4: I got the win. That's number one that's the most

656
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Speaker 4: important thing. I did make some mistakes, though, let's fix these.

657
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Speaker 2: So in terms of what might be next for Junior Dosantos,

658
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: I think he recognized that a fight with Daniel Cormier

659
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 2: was going to be unrealistic for more reasons than one.

660
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: I know that's a fight that Junior would like and

661
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: hasn't had, but I think there are obvious obstacles there.

662
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: So he called for a trilogy fight with Steve A

663
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: Miacic coming off the recent loss to d C.

664
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it has merit the first two fights.

665
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: Obviously, while the first fight certainly was very competitive and

666
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: could have gone either way. I kind of would like

667
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: to maybe see a fresh matchup there, but I can

668
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: understand why Dosantos went in that direction.

669
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't know if that's the best matchup

670
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 4: form right now now against step A Miach. In my opinion,

671
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 4: I think it will be a repeat of what happened

672
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 4: in their second fight. Honestly, you know, unless Junior changes

673
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: something drastically. So while I think Junior can win that

674
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 4: fight against steep A, it would it would take a

675
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 4: lot of technical work. I think step A right now

676
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 4: is gonna be a little bit too much for him.

677
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't think that's the fight.

678
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 4: You know, maybe a fight against a Curtis Blades would

679
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 4: be interesting, you.

680
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: Know, just yeah, a fresh matchup right.

681
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: I just it's interesting that he would see the upside

682
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: in that step a fighter. Maybe he just wants to

683
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: get that one back. But I was a little bit

684
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: surprised that was the first name on the tip of

685
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Speaker 2: his tongue. I know at times in the past they've

686
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: even shared a manager, you know, So I was I

687
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: was surprised that that's the fight he called for.

688
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 4: He's probably come from the perspective of if he beats

689
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Speaker 4: someone like a Steve A. Miachich, then he gets that

690
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 4: next title shot, you know, possibly, So yeah.

691
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: So step A Miachich, speaking of which, had some interesting

692
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: things to say to ESPN dot COM's Bread Okamoto when

693
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: it comes to the fight and a rematch with Daniel Cormier,

694
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: and these are direct quotes from the former champion. I

695
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: thought they were gonna interview me after the fight, and

696
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: I was going to ask for a rematch. When Brock

697
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: came in, I set him out of here. I don't

698
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: need this circus. How can you give a guy a titles.

699
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: Shot who hasn't fought over two years, is suspended and

700
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: his last fight is a no contest because he was

701
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: taking pedes See goes on to say, I cleaned out

702
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: the division. I defended it more than anyone, and you're

703
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: gonna tell me I don't deserve a chance to get

704
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 2: it back, Get out of here, kiss my ass.

705
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 3: If you don't think I deserve that. I think Dana

706
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: White thinks he does deserve that.

707
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: That's the thing, and maybe some part of Daniel Cormier

708
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: thinks that step A deserves an immediate rematch. Certainly, as

709
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Speaker 2: we've talked about Joanna Young Jchek getting a rematch against

710
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: Rosanama Unis if any champion deserves it, it's steep it.

711
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: But Ken Flow and I are older than forty, so

712
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: we goddamn well right now that you don't get in

713
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: life what you deserve. And I think for step A,

714
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: direct your venom at Daniel Cormier for starters, right, because

715
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: there are martial artists Kenny who maybe wouldn't go down

716
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 2: the Lesner train, the money train, if you will. I mean,

717
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: Daniel Cormier was calling out Brock Lesner, whether he was

718
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: in the building or not and was going to pursue

719
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: that fight and strategically pursue fights that are going to

720
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: result in big paydays. And if the early numbers on

721
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: two twenty six or any indication the steep Bay rematch

722
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: is not one of those final two fights for Daniel Cormier.

723
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 4: There is so much to chew on here with what

724
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 4: you just said, but let's start with Steve A Miachuch.

725
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 4: You'd be crazy to say that he doesn't deserve a rematch.

726
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 4: You look at everything he's done in this sport and

727
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 4: what he recently accomplished in the heavyweight division and the

728
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 4: way the manner that he did it. He absolutely deserves

729
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 4: that rematch. And with DC, I don't know if he's

730
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 4: going back to two five, he's probably staying at heavyweight,

731
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 4: And who knows what's gonna happen with Brock.

732
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: He's now in the you saw a testing pool.

733
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 4: You know, hopefully everything goes well with him and he's

734
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: cleaned throughout this whole process of six months. And for DC,

735
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: there's so much on the line for him to fight

736
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 4: a guy like Brock Lesner right money wise, money wise,

737
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Speaker 4: And for Steep a Mitchet, you just knock out a

738
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 4: guy in the first round. Is that a guy in

739
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 4: your mind, in DC's mind, that you want to face again.

740
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 4: I mean, Steve a is a hell that's a hell

741
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 4: of a tough dude and as a very dangerous guy.

742
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 4: And it was going quite well for Steve Bay early

743
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 4: on in that fight. Daniel of course was able to

744
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 4: get the knockout. But still, if you get that knockout

745
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 4: in the first round, you're gonna give that guy rematch

746
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 4: when you have a huge money fight waiting for you

747
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 4: in brock Lesner.

748
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

749
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 4: And if you're thirty nine years old, I don't think so.

750
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 5: So.

751
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: You know the other thing that people.

752
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 4: Need to understand, right, And it was tough for me

753
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 4: to understand when I was fighting, right because you win,

754
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 4: you beat the guys that you're supposed to beat, and

755
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 4: you say I should have that next shot.

756
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: This is a sport. I deserve it.

757
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 4: But what you need to see on the other side

758
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 4: is it is a business. It is a business at

759
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 4: the other day, at the end of the day, and

760
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 4: people are paying to see you fight, right. Otherwise you

761
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 4: can go to a gym and you can fight whoever

762
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 4: the hell you want. If that's what it's about if

763
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 4: it's about who wants who you want, you know, who

764
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 4: you think is the best fighter, Go challenge someone in

765
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 4: the gym, Go fight those guys do it for free.

766
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, you can't tell

767
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 4: someone that you know you want them to pay for

768
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 4: your fight if they just don't want to see you fight,

769
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 4: if they're not exciting, or they don't vibe with you

770
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 4: or whatever. Let's look at the WWE, all right, these

771
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 4: are guys that are putting on fake fights and still

772
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 4: millions of people are tuning in to watch them every day.

773
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 4: Why because of the storyline, because of the the buzz

774
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 4: that they're creating around these matchups. And that's what a

775
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 4: fighter needs to understand. You need to generate that interest.

776
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 4: Look at brock Lesner when he comes into the end

777
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 4: of the octagon, all right, he dresses like a hit man.

778
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 4: He's already a big guy. He's wearing cowboy boots, so

779
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 4: he looks that much bigger. He goes out there, you know, punches.

780
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 4: The camera pushes Daniel Cormier across the across the cage.

781
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 4: Daniel Cormier's team is trying to fight him. Now, was

782
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 4: it the y way that they played off. Probably not.

783
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 4: I still want to see the fight because it's just fascinating.

784
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 4: You know, Daniel Cormier, you know, a lot of people

785
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 4: would think, hey, that's a fight that he should win

786
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 4: every single time.

787
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 3: However, that's a huge man in brock Lesler.

788
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 4: That's just a fascinating fight as far as martial arts,

789
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 4: as far as the hype that's going to be generating

790
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 4: around that fight. So fighters need to be doing a

791
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 4: better job of building these storylines before you even get

792
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 4: out there. And you know, Chad Mende has been around

793
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 4: this sport for a long time, one of the sweetest

794
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 4: guys and a badass fighter, and he goes, well, let's

795
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 4: see what the UFC wants call out a fight make

796
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 4: a storyline.

797
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 6: Man.

798
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we're gonna get right back to boys in

799
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: a second. But just to sort of no, no, I

800
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: love what you said, and just putting a bow on

801
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: the brock Lesner stuff. You know, Dana facilitates Brock being

802
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: in the building, but it's not like there's some vision

803
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: of Brock going in there and shoving the newly minted

804
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: UFC teddyweight champion. That all just developed organically. That's brock

805
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,959
Speaker 2: Lesler being Brocket. Yeah, obviously he denigrated Steepe a little

806
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: bit there, looking into the camera and calling him a

807
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: p and all that not ideal for a lot of

808
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: US mixed martial arts avids who want to see this

809
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: sport maybe in a different place, but it is what

810
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 2: it is. And brock Lesner has won this UFC Heavyweight

811
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: Championship and defended it. And even though Curtis Blades for

812
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 2: my money, has the best case on paper, if brock

813
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: and stay clean for six months, I have no problem

814
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: with him getting that opportunity. It's a dream fight for

815
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: Cormier and I think that's going to be the next fight.

816
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: And to your point about DC at light heavyweight, this

817
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: Showgun result is going to be very interesting and all

818
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: of a sudden, this main event this weekend between Showgun

819
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: Hua and Anthony lyonhart Smith has this extra angle and

820
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: layer in gravity to it because DC wants to defend

821
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: against Showgun Hua, who by the way, has won three

822
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: straight fights and would be the winner of four straight fights.

823
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: DC a fight and Alexander Gussifson, right, I mean, you're

824
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: not going to take the highest degree of difficulty fight

825
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: for you, arguably in either division at thirty nine years old,

826
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 2: and the weight cut that goes with it, Like, it's

827
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: pretty plain for a lot of people to see that's

828
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: not any inside information eye.

829
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 4: And not make it and not have it be a

830
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 4: huge pay per view, right, I mean that they're not

831
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 4: They're not gonna bring in that pay per view buys.

832
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 4: You know, DC's thirty nine years old, he's got one

833
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 4: or two fights left. He's trying to get as much

834
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 4: juice out of that fruit as possible, you know.

835
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: So, and if something happens with Brock and that fight

836
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: goes away, it's gonna be very interesting. If Anthony Smith

837
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: wins this weekend as a near three to one favorite,

838
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the cupboard may be bear for DC.

839
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: At light heavyweight.

840
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: And I don't say that because there aren't contenders, but

841
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: if Gustafson gets through Uzdemir again, I mean I do.

842
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna put a tattoo on the line today,

843
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: but I would be very, very very surprised if one

844
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: of Cormier's final two fights is a rematch with Alexander Gustisson.

845
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: All right, so let's get to Chad money Mendez, because

846
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: he's obviously the forgotten man hadn't competed since December of

847
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen due to suspension, but he comes back in

848
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: as big a way as you can, takes on a tricky,

849
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: long opponent and knocks him out in the first round.

850
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: I think this inject some very interesting blood into the

851
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: top of this featherweight division, and I think they will

852
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: match Mendes accordingly as if he's the top five guy

853
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 2: that he left as.

854
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 4: Listen, I agree, and you know, it was an interesting

855
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 4: fight Miles Jury. As you said, much taller, longer reach. Now,

856
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 4: Chad mende is probably used to doing that one hundred

857
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 4: and forty five pounds, but there's a lot of mind

858
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 4: games that can happen when you're away from the sport

859
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 4: for this long, for two years, you know, kind of

860
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 4: questioning yourself. Listen to the sport has changed two years,

861
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 4: A lot changes, a lot changes in the sport, and

862
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 4: fighters are getting better all the time. Miles Jury had

863
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 4: some momentum heading into this fight. He was feeling very

864
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 4: confident and Chad Mendes was able to take advantage of,

865
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 4: you know, the lack of footwork. You know, the posture

866
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 4: wasn't ideal for Miles Jury and caught himself off balance.

867
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 4: Chad mendes, He's gonna make you pay. And I said

868
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 4: it on the post fight show, but you're you're dealing

869
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 4: with a hunter. I mean, he literally is a hunter.

870
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 4: He's patient, he's gonna wait for his perfect opportunity and

871
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 4: he was. He was waiting for that spot, and as

872
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 4: soon as he landed that shot, man, it was all

873
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 4: over from ales jury. Chad Mendez, with that Killerington instinct,

874
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 4: was able to take him out and get a big

875
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 4: win here and he's relevant again one hundred and forty

876
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 4: five pounds and you know, although is no longer the champ,

877
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 4: so Chad Mendez, I'm sure is feeling pretty good about

878
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 4: his chances against guys like a Max Holloway or potentially

879
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 4: a Brian Ortega. Right, Yeah, interesting, interesting fight and a

880
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 4: great win. Awesome to see a great guy and Chad

881
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: Mendez get the win and be back.

882
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: And those ground strikes, man, I mean, he'll break your

883
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 2: arm if that's what you want, right, And I just

884
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: think he you know, people work as hard, but they

885
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: don't work much harder than Chad Mendez. And yeah, just

886
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: happy for a good guy to be back in the fold.

887
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 2: Alexander Volkonovsky, another big winner at featherweight over Darren Elkins.

888
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: A lot of layers to this fight as well, but

889
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: in the context of Chad Mendez moving forward, Volkanovsky, according

890
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: to to me and a lot of other people at

891
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: eighteen and one, is certainly worthy of the Mendez fight.

892
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: He had the foresight to ask for it, and then

893
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: Chad won his fight later in the night. But I

894
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: don't think that'll be the next fight for Chad Mendez, Kenny.

895
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: I just feel like the bigger things maybe will await Chad,

896
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: and again, given where Max Holloway is and the unknown

897
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: nature of the division he'll compete in next you know,

898
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: you could see Chad Mendez get fast tracked pretty quickly

899
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 2: here at one hundred and forty five pounds, I would think.

900
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 4: I agree, again, he's been away from the sport for

901
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 4: a little bit, but you look at what he's accomplished

902
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 4: in the sport. He has not lost to many people

903
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 4: out there, and the guys he did lose to, Frank

904
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 4: Edgar Josie Aldough, you're talking about elite, elite, Hall of famers,

905
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think he has injected himself into the

906
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 4: conversation again at one forty five, and you look at

907
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 4: the other guys right now that are the top five

908
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 4: Cup Swanson, Jeremy Stevens, Frank Edgar, Josialdo, Brian Ortega. I

909
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 4: think he's right there with him skill wise and obviously

910
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 4: has the experience to get it done. So you know,

911
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: if he fights a top five guy, I don't think

912
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 4: it's unwarranted. I think he deserves that.

913
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: But you're right though, if you do want to be

914
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: a champion here in short order, right, call for the

915
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: rematch with Frankie Edgar, Right, do something to sort of

916
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: match make for yourself.

917
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 3: But we'll see what they do with Chad Mendez.

918
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: I just don't think it's going to be Volkanovsky, who

919
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: looked really good against Darren Elkins, and a lot of

920
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: people knew Volkanovsky was going to be a problem. He

921
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: was one of the bigger, if not the biggest betting

922
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: favorite on the weekend against a guy and Darren Elkins

923
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: who had won six in a row coming in. I

924
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: guess my biggest takeaway from the fight is Darren Elkins

925
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: just absorbing pounds of damage yet again and just becomes

926
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: a hard visual for a lot of people. And I

927
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: just don't know what to say about that. You know,

928
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: sometimes he's one fights in spite of himself, and I

929
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: don't know, as the competition gets stiff, to see him

930
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: absorb damage like this over fifteen more minutes is a

931
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: little unsettling, I think for me and a lot of

932
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: other people.

933
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and how's this Volkanovsky did it with an injured rip.

934
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was broken or whatever it was,

935
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 4: and a rib injuries or off. A had to deal

936
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: with them myself, and it limits your mobility, your movement,

937
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 4: every time you breathe, every time you move, you know,

938
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 4: twist your Torso.

939
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: It's an awful feeling. It's not fun dealing with those.

940
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 4: So the fact that he was able to do it

941
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 4: shows how tough he is, so a risk there every

942
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 4: time he had to a fight injured with something like that.

943
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 4: So kudos to Volkanovsky, who, yeah, absolutely looked great. And

944
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 4: he's kind of known as a wrestler, right, he's kind

945
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 4: of known as a guy who takes you down, uses

946
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 4: his ground and pound a positioning to walk through you,

947
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 4: beat you up, or submit you. But his striking was

948
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 4: on point as well. Now, he's not the best striker

949
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 4: in the world. But for Darren Elkins, while he showed

950
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 4: some nice kicks to start off that match, he kind

951
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 4: of got away from that and started getting into the

952
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 4: pocket with guys with the Volkanovsky and was eating huge shots. Now,

953
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 4: the right hand, the cross isn't something that's supposed to

954
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 4: land all the time. This is like a power shot.

955
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 4: It's the one that's furthest away from the head right.

956
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 4: It's not an easy shot to land against another professional fighter,

957
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 4: or at least it shouldn't be. Darren Elkins should not

958
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 4: be getting hit with a right hand repeatedly against Volkanowski.

959
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: You just can't do.

960
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 4: You can't succeed at a high level if you're getting

961
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 4: hit with a cross every time they throw it. Now,

962
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 4: lucky for him, he has a ridiculous chin. But you know,

963
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 4: I don't want to see that. I don't want to

964
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 4: see Elkins get hurt again in the fight. Yes, it's

965
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 4: entertaining and he you know, we're all kind of thinking,

966
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 4: is Elkins gonna do this again?

967
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:31,959
Speaker 3: Is he gonna come back?

968
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 4: You know his face he had like the raccoon raccoon

969
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 4: eyes with with blood all over. You know, his other

970
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 4: kind of dramatic fight in that regard, but I don't

971
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 4: need to see a guy repeatedly take damage like that. Man,

972
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 4: excuse the pun, but I don't know. I don't want

973
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 4: to see it. So Elkins, you know, defensively didn't come

974
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 4: in the way he should have. Uh and if Volkanowski's

975
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 4: not really known for his striking, now he did show improvements,

976
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 4: no doubt about it. But uh, you know, there's no

977
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 4: way he can really move up the ladder here. And

978
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 4: that's my concern for Darren Elkins. And this guy has

979
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 4: a warrior spirit that is far superior to ninety percent

980
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 4: of the fighters out there in the world, so he

981
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 4: deserves kudos for that, but yeah, he needs to get better.

982
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: And I'd hate to see a guy like that, you know, suffer,

983
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 4: you know, repercussions, you know, heading off of these these

984
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 4: very tough fights.

985
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not in the business of retiring fighters,

986
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: and certainly I wouldn't say that to Darren Elkins having

987
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: won six of his last seven, but seeing him go

988
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 2: in there with respect to his skill set, but out

989
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: trying to out tough guys, most guys he's going to

990
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: be able to outlast and eventually put away and get

991
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: all the bonuses and awards and recognition that comes with

992
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: that style. But this was a hard visual, you know

993
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: when you sort of think about Darren Elkins ten and

994
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: fifteen years down the line, just absorbing all of this damage.

995
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: You know, shades of boxing, right, like, hey, if you

996
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 2: can survive the ten count, get back to your feet,

997
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: come up and get an concussion.

998
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: You know, it's just scary. Yeah, all right, a.

999
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: Couple other things on the UFC Boys Show, and then

1000
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: we'll get to the Hamburg predictions.

1001
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: I mean, Nico fucking Price, bro.

1002
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: I know we've talked about it with Ray Longo, but

1003
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: just can we hit on that again for the amateurs

1004
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: like me, I mean, he's got that foot like dovetailed

1005
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: trapping Randy Brown's head in there. I mean, that is

1006
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: some seriously violent shit can flow. I mean my twin

1007
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: brother like that. This is what he watches MMA for

1008
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: the most violent possible type finishes. And for me, I

1009
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: know there was some UFC history in terms of the

1010
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: hammer fists from your back and everything else.

1011
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 3: Nico fucking Price, Baby, how about the dude? First of all,

1012
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: is pretty diesel man.

1013
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 4: You could see he's a powerful guy and he's a

1014
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 4: little bit of a crazy guy. Like he's like, I

1015
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 4: don't care if I win or lose. I'm going out

1016
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 4: to entertain. I want to hurt people. That's what I'm

1017
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 4: in this sport is to knock people out. Those are

1018
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 4: the most dangerous guys when they just give no f's

1019
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 4: and you know what I'm talking about. So Nico Price

1020
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 4: is that dude. He he really doesn't here. He just

1021
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 4: wants to fight and beat people up.

1022
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 3: It's it's nuts.

1023
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, he's had some violent finishes in the

1024
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 4: in the past as well. That that overhand right that

1025
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 4: he landed on Alan Jobed, that's landed so clean. And

1026
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 4: Joe Beed is tough man. He's got some serious skills.

1027
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 4: So Nico Price is someone to watch who's pretty exciting

1028
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 4: and he goes for stuff that That's what I like.

1029
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 4: He's an aggressive fighter who's looking to finish you no

1030
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 4: matter what. So cool to see him get the win

1031
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 4: against a tough opponent and Randy Brown. Randy Brown was

1032
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 4: not an easy out for him. And yeah, man, Nico Price,

1033
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 4: I'm going to watch in that division.

1034
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: I think I think he is and I think he's

1035
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 2: the type of guy who could step into a short

1036
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: notice situation and really capitalize. I'm not comparing him stylistically

1037
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: to Landovanada, but Vanada stepping in against Tony Ferguson nearly

1038
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: changed his career forever, and I think in a lot

1039
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: of respects Landovanada did change his career for the better

1040
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: by that performance and has been put on a lot

1041
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: of big cards because of it. But Nico Price is

1042
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: a beast and when he is on, he's got a

1043
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: lot of different ways to put you away. And Randy

1044
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: Brown certainly can speak to that. After this weekend, all right,

1045
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: A couple other names just very quickly cat Zingano against

1046
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 2: Marian Renault the fight of the night, how Nie Barcellosh

1047
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: over Kurt Holabah. I mean, that's as spectacular a UFC

1048
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,479
Speaker 2: debut as I've seen in twenty eighteen, unless I'm missing something.

1049
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: Israel lot of Sonya, I believe debuted earlier this year.

1050
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: But ken Flow Zingano a big win for her. She

1051
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: exhaled as if this was her first win since twenty fourteen.

1052
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that you know Amanda Nunez lost any

1053
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: sleep on Saturday night, necessarily, but for Zingano, a big

1054
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: win for her. Nonetheless huge win for her and I

1055
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: know she puts so much into into this fight, yet

1056
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: she was able to focus on just being a professional fighter.

1057
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: You know.

1058
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 4: Obviously her being a mom. You know that that alone

1059
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 4: is you know, as you know, twenty four hour a day.

1060
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 3: Terrible job. It's very tough.

1061
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 4: So but she was able to focus a lot in

1062
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 4: this training camp and do things for her, not just

1063
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 4: do kind of the group training over at Alliance MMA.

1064
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 4: She was able to focus on what she needed for

1065
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 4: this camp. And you know, again, anytime you get a

1066
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 4: win in the UFC, it is huge. I was happy

1067
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 4: to see her get a win. Obviously she was struggling

1068
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 4: in that division a little bit. But yeah, as you said,

1069
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 4: it's one of those things where I was expecting more

1070
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 4: from Cats and Gano. I wanted to see a Cats

1071
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 4: and Gano that was gonna show a lot more, you know,

1072
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 4: just better decision making, show a little bit more weapons

1073
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 4: out there. It was to me, the same Cats Gano,

1074
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 4: and again in this sport, it concerns me because again,

1075
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 4: as I say it so many times, people are gonna

1076
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 4: throw up from me saying this so much.

1077
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: But if you're not getting better in this sport, you're

1078
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: getting worse.

1079
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 4: And it was tough and Marie and Renault, she was

1080
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 4: just giving up easy takedowns. I mean, she really was

1081
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 4: almost content to just go to her guard, waiting and

1082
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 4: expecting Cats and Gana just make a mistake on the ground.

1083
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 4: That's not the way it works at an elite level.

1084
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 4: You need to create those opportunities for yourself. You need

1085
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 4: to eight these traps. You need to create dilemmas on

1086
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 4: the ground or on the feet. And Mary Renauld is

1087
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 4: just kind of waiting for for Cat to slip up.

1088
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: Not gonna happen.

1089
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 4: I mean, it can't happen, but probably not going to happen.

1090
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 4: You need to create these opportunities. And she just was

1091
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 4: not was not doing enough to force Catz and Gano

1092
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 4: into a mistake. And uh, you know, cat was content

1093
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 4: to score points with those takedowns, land some good ground

1094
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 4: and pound, uh and win round after round.

1095
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: But it was definitely and that was another one. Didn't

1096
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: they score one of those a ten eight? I think

1097
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 3: they six? Yeah, thirty twenty twenty exactly. I mean, were

1098
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 3: any of those rounds even close to a tenn You

1099
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 3: gotta take a piss man, can.

1100
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 4: We can we can we let the it's great? Can

1101
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 4: we let the judges know that being in guard isn't

1102
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 4: being in mount. Because you're on top doesn't mean you're

1103
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 4: in a crazy superior position. Did they not see the

1104
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: Nego Price Randy Brown?

1105
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, are they're not listening to Ken

1106
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: Flow rant on the anikin flooring? So I'm very excited

1107
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 2: they can't. You can't take a piss in the middle

1108
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 2: of a round. We would tell him, these judges stay

1109
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: seated five. No, you can't go in between rounds either.

1110
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: That's only a minute. You can't make it back. Oh well,

1111
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 2: that's why I scored it for uh for I don't.

1112
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 3: Know what's tell you now?

1113
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 2: All right, good stuff on Boise, And I just want

1114
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,959
Speaker 2: to say, I know the NBA has has maybe never

1115
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 2: been hotter than it is right now.

1116
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: But how about mixed martial arts.

1117
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: How about the fact that we come off of UFC

1118
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: two twenty six and think about all that Boise gave us.

1119
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,720
Speaker 2: I mean there was a lot maybe this show didn't

1120
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: give us, But think about all the shit there is

1121
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: to talk about. Just yea, your your average FS one

1122
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 2: UFC fight night, Bois is in the books, and Octagon

1123
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: headed to Germany this Sunday, night to that end.

1124
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 3: Let's get to the main event challenge. It's the main

1125
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: event challenge and the time is most definitely finished. Fine,

1126
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: how do everything both We'll do win.

1127
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: The main Event Challenge. John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcast.

1128
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do everything possible to win, and I am

1129
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: going to in two thousand and eight and nine be

1130
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 2: using my mic time to great effect.

1131
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 3: The great Kenny Florian circa. What was that?

1132
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:15,479
Speaker 2: Oh eight oh, a long time ago? All right, Mickey Mouse, Yeah,

1133
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 2: it is amazing.

1134
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: You know.

1135
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: My wife actually we had the post fight show on

1136
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: this morning as I was prepping for the podcast. Not

1137
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: her choice, by the way, but she said Kenny has

1138
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: a great voice. She said, ken Fell has a great voice.

1139
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: How about that out of Christine Annix?

1140
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 3: She like voice? So all right, Team Annik.

1141
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: Let it eighty five seventy three going into Boise Ken

1142
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: Flow wins his second straight week four three. It is

1143
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: eighty eight seventy seven, heading into the UFC Homburg show

1144
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: this Sunday. It is a Sunday and not a Saturday

1145
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: show if I'm not mistaken, And with us to make

1146
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: picts today. Ricardo Montero Hernandez, Ricardo Did I get that right?

1147
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 3: My man? How are you?

1148
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, I'm very impressed. Hi. How you guys doing.

1149
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me well.

1150
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: We appreciate you listening to the show and for coming

1151
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 2: on with us today. Are you Are you in New Jersey?

1152
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 2: I see that two oh one on your phone.

1153
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 6: I'm actually in New York, but I grew up in

1154
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 6: New Jersey. I'm of Colombian descent. I moved to New

1155
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 6: Jersey and I'm working here in New York.

1156
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 3: So were you watching that World Cup like the rest

1157
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 3: of us, I'd imagine.

1158
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm sorry that we eliminated Poland man.

1159
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 3: A, yeah, that's quite all right.

1160
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 6: I was watching it and it was It was a

1161
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 6: good time.

1162
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 3: All right.

1163
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: So this Sunday, July twenty second, you can see it

1164
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: on FS one. First fight up for a pick today,

1165
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: Heavyweight Division Marching Tiboa minus two sixty favorite taking on

1166
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: the skyscraper Stephan Strew, who comes back at plus one eighty.

1167
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: Struve has lost two straight to Alexander Volkov more recently

1168
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: andre Orlowski. Tbora also here, hoping to avoid a third

1169
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: consecutive lost. Ricardo, who do you like? Marching Tabora or

1170
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: Stephan Strue.

1171
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 6: I think I think Struve is gonna take this one.

1172
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 6: You know, he hasn't he hasn't looked amazing in his

1173
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 6: last two. And I mean both of them have lost

1174
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 6: the last two. But I mean, in my opinion, to

1175
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 6: Bora was winning that it was fight before he got

1176
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:05,959
Speaker 6: caught with that Houston shovel. But but I gotta think

1177
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 6: Struve has never lost more than two in a row.

1178
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 6: And I do think that Tibora either goes for a

1179
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 6: takedown to secure around and Stuve has some great submissions,

1180
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 6: so I think he's gonna use those long limbs and

1181
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 6: Sue is gonna take this one by choke can.

1182
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: Flow early Monday morning in Los Angeles. But we need

1183
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 2: a pick on Marchie Tibora and Stephan Struve.

1184
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know I'm gonna go with Struve as well. Listen,

1185
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 4: I think his height's gonna give him some problems on

1186
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 4: the feet. It's gonna be hard for a guy in

1187
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 4: Tabora who's usually the bigger guy to get in land shots.

1188
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: And I also think on the ground.

1189
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 4: While I do think that's probably his safest route to victory,

1190
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 4: I think that tiber is not really so much of

1191
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 4: a submission threat. I think Struve probably has better submissions

1192
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 4: than Tybora. Tybora probably positionally might be a little bit better,

1193
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 4: but yeah, I agree, I'm going with.

1194
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 3: Struve here, all right?

1195
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: Two picks on Stephan Shrew plus one eighty or so.

1196
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: Here on a Monday Comain event, Glover to Shaa was

1197
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: to face a little Latifi Latifi out due to injury. Instead,

1198
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: it'll be the guy we referenced earlier. I think Beaston

1199
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: twenty five eight, Corey overtime, Anderson to share a minus

1200
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: two to oh five Anderson plus one sixty Ricardo.

1201
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 3: Who do you like here? Glover to Share or Corey

1202
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 3: Anderson here?

1203
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 6: I think Glover's gonna take this one. You know, he

1204
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 6: didn't look amazing against Cirkanov. He got hit a lot,

1205
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 6: but he's proven that he has an amazing chin. I mean,

1206
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 6: besides Alexander Gustafson and Anthony Johnson, which who can blame him?

1207
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 6: He took a lot from Erkanoff and he was able

1208
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 6: to get him on the ground and tek and get

1209
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 6: a TKO win. And Corey is a wrestler, you know

1210
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 6: that's what he does. He's gonna try to take him down,

1211
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 6: but I think Glover with his high level jiu jitsu,

1212
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 6: he might be able to, you know, turn him around

1213
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 6: and then he's got bombs. So I think Glover by

1214
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 6: TKO with a ground and pound and can I just

1215
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 6: say yes, I'm so glad. Beasting twenty five eight changed

1216
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 6: his nickname because Jesus Christ.

1217
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 3: It was time. It was toime, it was toime.

1218
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 2: But he recognized it was time, and thankfully he's now

1219
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 2: over time. So so Ricardo mentioned there Ken Flow to

1220
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 2: share A's knockout of Misha Sarakunab very stunning, big knockout

1221
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: for him. It was in December back in Winnipeg. He

1222
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: was right in front of Daniel Cormier who was commentating

1223
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: that night, and Glover one of these few guys at

1224
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 2: light heavyweight, one of the few elite guys who never

1225
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: got that shot against Daniel Cormier, trying to inch closer

1226
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: to the top once again. Here does he get it

1227
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: done against the relatively late replacement Cory Anderson.

1228
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 3: Well Kenny twenty six nine.

1229
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 4: Florian Oh is a little bit kind of confused with

1230
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 4: this fight a little bit. Listen, I think Glover to

1231
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 4: Shia hits extremely hard. Still he's He's not the fastest guy,

1232
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 4: especially at this point in his career though, That's what

1233
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 4: concerns me, and Anderson doesn't have the best chin. So yeah,

1234
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 4: I think to Shera could definitely win this fight. However,

1235
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 4: I think I think Corey is gonna be able to

1236
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 4: get it done. To Share is good on the ground,

1237
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 4: but not off of his back. He has shown some

1238
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 4: serious vulnerabilities there when he's in guard, when he's on top.

1239
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 4: To Share is an absolute beast, and to Share does

1240
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 4: have some decent wrestling defense. But I think Corey's gonna

1241
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 4: be able to land shots from the outside, get in,

1242
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 4: get out without getting hit, and I think he's gonna

1243
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 4: be able to get a decision win here against to Share.

1244
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 3: All Right.

1245
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: Main event Anthony Lyon Hart Smith's stepping up here on

1246
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: short notice face for Shot Evans not all that long ago.

1247
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: He faces Mauricio's showgun Hua Smith replacing Volcanoes Demir. He

1248
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: got pulled from this fight to face Alexander Gustafson. That'll

1249
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 2: be in Los Angeles August fourth. So Anthony Smith here

1250
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: minus two to eighty the favorite showgun who coming back

1251
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: is the plus two twenty underdog. This is the main event,

1252
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 2: we will need the round and the method of victory. Ricardo,

1253
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: who do you like in the main event?

1254
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 6: I honestly cannot believe the Showgun is the dog in

1255
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 6: this fight. I mean, I think people are writing high

1256
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 6: on Smith's knockout of Rashad Evans, but you know, this

1257
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 6: was a sort of shot Evans that didn't really express

1258
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 6: too much, you know, want to keep going in the sport.

1259
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 6: So I think Shogun has way too many tools for

1260
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 6: for Smith. And this is Smith's second appearance in light heavyweight.

1261
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 6: I mean, Shogun is a legend. He's been in there

1262
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 6: with the best, He's got a lot of experience, and

1263
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 6: he's in a three fight winning streak, and so I

1264
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 6: think I think I'm taking Showgun by unanimous decision on

1265
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 6: this one.

1266
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 2: All right, So Showgun Hua can flow. One appearance in

1267
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen that was a win. One appearance in twenty sixteen, win.

1268
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: One appearance in twenty seventeen also a win. That one

1269
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: was a finish. So his last three victims Lil No,

1270
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 2: Cory Anderson, John Belonte, all those fights in Brazil, last

1271
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 2: five fights overall for Showgun have taken place in Brazil.

1272
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 2: Does Showgun Hua can Flow make it four straight wins

1273
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 2: this weekend?

1274
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 3: And if so, how does he get it done?

1275
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 4: Man, I've been a huge fan of Shogun Hua for

1276
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 4: a long time. You know, certainly this isn't the same

1277
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 4: Showgun Hua that was fighting over Pride or early on

1278
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 4: in his career in the UFC. Anthony Smith, though, is

1279
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,720
Speaker 4: fighting with a fire that is unlike a lot of fighters.

1280
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 4: At two hundred and five pounds right now, I think

1281
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 4: he's very motivated still coming up from one hundred and

1282
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 4: eighty five pounds, this guy is pretty big, pretty damn

1283
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 4: big huge. Hua does not have the same chin that

1284
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 4: he had before. I like the fact that he's had

1285
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 4: kind of a long layoff here in between fights. I

1286
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 4: think that will serve him well. But I see Anthony

1287
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 4: Smith winning this fight. You know, Mauricio, who has a

1288
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 4: lot of skills, he does have probably in some ways

1289
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 4: more ways to win than than Anthony Smith, but you know,

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00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 4: not as fast as he used to be, and defensively

1291
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 4: just needs to be better and I just haven't seen

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00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 4: those improvements from Shogun Hua. He does get hit, I

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00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 4: think Anthony Smith lands a big shot somewhere around the

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00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 4: second round and gets the win by TKL.

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Speaker 2: Anthony Smith round two tkoh, and I'm glad you led

1296
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: with the fire can flow because that to me is

1297
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: the rub right now when it comes to Anthony Smith,

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00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 2: you can talk about the experience. This is a guy

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00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: who at one point was seventeen and eleven in MMA.

1300
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: He's now twenty nine and thirteen. He's won four of five.

1301
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: Not cutting the hell's weight anymore. Anthony Smith, I think

1302
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: the rightful favorite this weekend. Ricardo, I think maybe a

1303
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: little bit wider than I expected as well, but I'm

1304
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: excited for this main event. Not the deepest card you'll

1305
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: ever see on paper, but I'm Jones and to see

1306
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: this main event on Sunday. Ricardo Montero, Hernandez, appreciate the time, man,

1307
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: Thanks for supporting the show.

1308
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 3: Were you a big Kenny Florian fan?

1309
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 5: I was.

1310
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 6: I was actually watching his fights on fight Pass lately

1311
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 6: because listening to the podcast and watching it on YouTube,

1312
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 6: like just watching him talk. It's so much different than

1313
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 6: watching him punch people in the face. It's a weird experience.

1314
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 6: But yeah, I'm a huge Florin fan. Thank you guys

1315
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 6: for having me.

1316
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 3: You're the bad buddy. Hopefully you beat him this weekend.

1317
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 2: Enjoy the fights, all right, take care, And he brings

1318
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 2: up a great point, because I don't know that there's

1319
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 2: anybody I know that is that different, Like you were

1320
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: such an asshole as a fighter, and yet in real

1321
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: life you're such a nice guy, you know, And you

1322
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 2: can say, oh, Brian, like Brian Stan isn't as nice

1323
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: a guy in real life, you know what I mean?

1324
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: And he wasn't as much of an asshole as a fighter.

1325
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: You know you were. I mean, if you think about it,

1326
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 2: like I think, you know, whether it was an extra

1327
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: elbow to Joe Loson or or I just think the

1328
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: general way. Well, no, it's like you weren't looking to

1329
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 2: be You're not looking for friends, you know. I mean,

1330
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: this is these are truths. Kenny and Ricardo just brought

1331
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: it to my attention. This was not on the on

1332
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 2: the agenda today.

1333
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Speaker 3: I will listen.

1334
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 4: I learned early on you can't be a nice guy,

1335
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 4: and the sport is you're gonna get your ass kicks. So,

1336
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 4: you know, having been the nice guy and gotten my

1337
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 4: ass kicked a few times, I realize I kind of

1338
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 4: have to be a jerk inside the octagu.

1339
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: You didn't hold chokes longer than necessary, but an extra

1340
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: strike here there. I mean, those elbows move so quickly

1341
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 2: you just can't control them.

1342
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 3: I understand. All right, we got to get out of here.

1343
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 3: I am. I'm off my rocker today. Can you tell

1344
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 3: him underslept a little bit with the three kids? Three kids?

1345
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 3: Come on? Oh my god, sprints all the time.

1346
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I lost to my brother in basketball yesterday,

1347
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: and I did have to do a suicide.

1348
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 3: Hey do you remember you remember when you kicked my

1349
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 3: ass in basketball?

1350
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 4: I started off hot and then you just I think

1351
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 4: you rained like ten shots in a row and just

1352
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 4: destroyed me.

1353
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 3: We gotta run that back. Yeah, maybe in Connecticut, we

1354
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 3: got to run that back.

1355
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: We still got to play tennis, which I know I'm

1356
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 2: the underdog on the tennis court, that's for sure. All right,

1357
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: we got to get out of here. Ken Flow's got

1358
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu class to teach or something like that. I

1359
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 2: gotta grab a diet coke. Thank you to our producers,

1360
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 2: John Neill, Jeff Williams, Alyssa Green.

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01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 3: We're back next Monday.

1362
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 2: We will get you ready for the big show on

1363
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 2: Fox Calgary, July twenty eighth. Also, the following week, Monday

1364
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Speaker 2: July thirtieth, two weeks from today, we are both gonna

1365
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 2: be live in studio in Los Angeles for the UFC

1366
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 2: two twenty seven fight week. I will be paying off

1367
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 2: the vegemite bet at that time, so we have to

1368
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 2: figure out a way to get some vegemite. I don't

1369
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: envision that being a problem. I am not looking forward

1370
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 2: to that better than the Power Hour that you're looking

1371
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: at in six months if you don't start picking some winters.

1372
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 4: I'm telling you I have to be very careful with

1373
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 4: this challenge because I know I am way far behind

1374
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 4: and you will make me pay if I'm heavy on

1375
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 4: the vegamite.

1376
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 3: So I got it, But I know you.

1377
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 2: I know you did not agree to the Power Hour

1378
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: yet it's still being negotiated, all right. For Kenny Flora

1379
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 2: and I'm John Anak. Thank you for listening, for subscribing,

1380
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 2: for watching us here as well. Hope I don't look

1381
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: too fat on a Monday until next week.

1382
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: He later the John Nick and Kenny Florian podcast.

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01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:29,040
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