1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything, so don't don't, Okay, welcome back to 3 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: Worst Year Ever. My name is Costons, not Cody Johnston, 4 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: and this year is not very good so far. I'm sorry. 5 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: What was your name? Robert Evans, Rob Robert Evans, Rob Roberts, 6 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: Rob Roberts, Robert. I know we named our podcast Worst 7 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: Year Ever, but I for one him shocked that it's 8 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: a terrible year. Like how presient that was, Like how 9 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: quickly it was that, like day one and then day 10 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: two and then day three and just every single day. 11 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, yeah, this is bad still January, and 12 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: we should have put money on this year being terrible. Yeah, 13 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: we really should. I don't know. You know, we're recording 14 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: this h the week that I went to the Virginia 15 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: Richmond gun thing of a jig malicious, that's what we're 16 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: calling them. They got me sick, they got me horribly sick. 17 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: So I have I had. It's the it's the I'm 18 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: convinced it's the dreaded CORONAVIRUSS. Not so peaceful of the protest, now, 19 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: is it? Yeah? The warfare there, I am a terrorism. Yeah, 20 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: you're you're in the rock. Thank you. Yeah. So hopefully 21 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: most of you guys have had a chance to check 22 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: out Robert's very well done episode that he put together 23 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: after going to the Welcome protest earlier this week. Thank you. 24 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: We all wanted to go, only one of us got permission. 25 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: Robert is the logical choice, and so here we are 26 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: too debrief about your experiences there and talk about what 27 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: we feel in our hearts in the mind phone. Yes, yes, 28 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: I mean I want to start by saying I have 29 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: never had so many people point guns at me without 30 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: meaning to, like a shocking a shocking lack of guns 31 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: basic gun safety. Um, it was pretty astonishing. Yeah. Yeah, 32 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: I would say about six of people were very safe. 33 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: But people, no, that's not enough. Like I weird, like weirdly, 34 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: I kind of thought that there would like the like 35 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: there would be more people who were adhering to that 36 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: general gun safety because that's the whole idea, is that like, no, 37 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: we're safe, secure gun I mean, you know, on the 38 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: surface of that with what they want to present. Um, 39 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: so you think that the policing each other, I'm like no, no, 40 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: come on, like watch your watch, your finger something, that's 41 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: the thing you know, it's it's um. I attend a 42 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: lot of protests and have for years, and one thing 43 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: that you always see at the left wing protests is 44 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: people who are I shouldn't essentially acting as like you know, 45 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: they they're doing rounds within the protests, trying to like 46 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: deal within our personal issues, arguments, fights, trying to like 47 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: stop things from getting out of hand, hall monitor and 48 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: ship but like good, yeah, helpful, but like good. And 49 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: there really should have been people doing that if you're 50 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: going to have continued armed protests. There's already one set 51 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: up for Washington in the near future. They're gonna keep 52 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: doing this. These people really need to have folks doing 53 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: the rounds and being like, hey, you shouldn't have a 54 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: twelve gage shotgun shoved in the water bottle bottle holder 55 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: of a backpack. This was proud of people that would 56 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: be receptive to that kind of feedback. Yeah, it's um. 57 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: It's very even if it's just like on an optics level, 58 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: like ideally they're doing that because they actually care about safety, 59 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: but even just on a level of like, no, that 60 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: doesn't look great for us and what we're trying to 61 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: say and do here. Well, And one of the things 62 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: that was like really frustrating to me was like I 63 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: posted a very large and fairly popular, you know, Twitter 64 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: threat with like pictures from the rally going through it, 65 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: and I would take pictures of people doing unsafe things 66 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: with guns, and folks would, like right wing pro gun 67 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: people would get in there and like argue with me 68 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: about basic facts of gun safety, like the guy who 69 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: had a shotgun in the water bottle and his gun 70 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: was like wildly wobbling around to the point where it 71 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: was just at the edge of falling out, and they 72 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: were like, well, it's probably not loaded, And I was like, 73 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: but the first rule of gun safe as they all 74 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: are like that, And there was another guy that's not 75 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: how we do this, probably isn't gonna cut it for me. No, 76 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: I don't know, like it's, uh, I'm not inherently against. 77 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: I think it's actually some of the most revolutionary protest 78 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: actions in American history. Like if you look at like 79 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: the Black Panthers and Hue P. Newton Um where we're 80 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: armed marches um in a armed protests, But if you 81 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: look at like footage of the Black Panthers, they're very like, yeah, 82 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: they're they're they're very safe. With their file. Yeah yeah, um, 83 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: I would. Yeah, so that was like outside of the 84 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: ideological stuff that was unsettling, Like the shocking lack of 85 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: fox given about safety was was very concerning anyone any 86 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: other ones that like stuck out to you of like, well, 87 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: that's terrible. Yeah. It was a guy who had he 88 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: was holding his shotgun up on his shoulder to a 89 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: point where like the barrel was just an inch or 90 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: two above people's heads, and had his other hand he 91 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: was had his phone in it and he was looking 92 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: at his phone and walking blindly into the crowd with 93 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: the twelve gay shotgun. Guys, I'm sure it wasn't loaded. 94 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: Robert would be like posting pictures from like hunters safety 95 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: courses where people hold shotguns on their shoulders and be 96 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: like no, this is okay, And I was like no, 97 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no, I've been through I've gotten hunting 98 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: licenses before. This is fine if you're in the forest 99 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: and you're not staring into your smartphone in a crowd 100 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: of literally thousands of people. Yeah, um, but nobody got shot. Yeah, 101 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: I mean it seems like that's like that's part of it, 102 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: like the shotgun on the shoulders, Like, oh, this looks cool. 103 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: This is meaning my cool gun, being a cool guy. 104 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: Like a lot of the things you're you saw that 105 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: we're unsafe, we're sort of fueled by just like the 106 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: image of having a gun. Did you get that sense 107 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: at all? You know? It just careless. Yeah, it was 108 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: just carelessness. Most of the people who were there to 109 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: look cool, well, no, like that guy. Like the most 110 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: famous picture that got out is the dude who had 111 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: a fifty caliber Barrett sniper rifle, which is a ten 112 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: thousand dollar rifle UM, and he was just like he 113 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: was holding it like a walking stick after day with 114 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: like the barrel into this guy, which isn't the worst 115 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: way to carry it. Um. But like, as a general rule, 116 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: the guys who were like really heavily kidded out were 117 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: the ones who were at least a little better at 118 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: at not sweeping everybody with their that happened. There was 119 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: a great picture going around of like a pile of 120 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: rifles next to the porta potties with like just one 121 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: guy sitting there watching them. I wonder how many people 122 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: got beamed in the head with the button. I think 123 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: it was a Daily Best article. It might have been 124 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: vice where like the journalist like walks into a guy's 125 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: the barrel of a guy's gun, and like then he 126 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: apologizes and tells her she's okay and they have a conversation, 127 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: and it was one of those like she clearly didn't 128 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: know quite enough about guns to is upset with that 129 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: is yah. Um, but yeah, that's like I guess that's 130 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: the non ideological stuff, just the things that like concern me, 131 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: that are basic safety things, and like, um, yeah, I'm curious, 132 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: like what y'all thought about the episode? I did. I 133 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: think it's interesting, you have questions to go from there? Yeah, 134 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: very interesting. And I saw some interactions on Twitter that 135 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: might be a good jumping off point uh one specifically 136 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: about someone was saying like, well, what exactly was the 137 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: point of this episode or are you advocating that we 138 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: shouldn't have gun laws? And no, But like, the episode 139 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: to me was intriguing and frustrating at the same time 140 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: because it poses this dilemma of yes, we have this problem, 141 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: the how do we how do we handle it without 142 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: because you have to you can't get rid of all 143 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: guns we live in America, And how do you work 144 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: with people that are willing to kill to protect they're 145 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: they're right to have a gun. Um, how do you negotiating? Um? 146 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: And and the laws that on the surface that sound 147 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: like a good answer to us, we'll actually have all 148 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: of these other unintended repercussions. What happens, Like, yes, the 149 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: Democrats have taken Virginia, um, but now that to them, 150 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: to to a lot of the citizens there, that makes 151 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: it feel like there's been like there's some like there's 152 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: a real person, Like there's somebody that you have to 153 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: fight against the man is oppressing them. Um. And so 154 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: it's a whole bunch of It's a very interesting conversation 155 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: to have, and I think it goes well in line 156 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: with our whole goal here, which is to talk to 157 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: different groups of people and to get a snapshot of 158 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: America other than the one that we see from inside 159 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: of our bubble. And uh could is to you Robert, Yeah, 160 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: and you know, to to kind of answer that question, 161 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: because I did, you know, I made sure to quote 162 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: Representative Lee Carter talking about what he thought was was 163 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: reasonable gun control laws. And I made a point about 164 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: things like universal background checks, which I feel the same 165 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: way that that's a reasonable gun control law. UM. Their 166 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: laws to that that's a little we'll talk about registering later. Yeah. Yeah, 167 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: reporting lost firearms within you know, a very short period 168 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: of time. Um Mandating that people secure their firearms, particularly 169 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: if they have children in the house. I think these 170 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: are all There's definitely a chunk of the gun rights movement, 171 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: including some people I talked to in Richmond who are like, 172 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: no gun control laws are justified. But if you look statistically, 173 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: even some of like seventies something percent of an r 174 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: A member support universal background checks. Those things that I 175 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: just listed you can absolutely get people on board with, 176 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: and those laws would reduce some of the of the 177 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: of the firearms deaths that we have in this country. 178 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: That's not the end of what needs to be done, 179 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: but in terms of like things that I think we 180 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: should start with, those are good rules that well, a 181 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: lot of folks would whine about them and be conspiratorial 182 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: about them, and it would certainly get demonized to an extent. 183 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, none of those laws 184 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: would lead to police officers being asked to confiscate firearms. 185 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: None of them wouldn't be like like, and so you're 186 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: not going to have the same kind of violent reaction 187 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: to that. Even though a chunk of people will be 188 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: unhappy with them. And I do think there's a degree 189 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: of if you have if you pass some reasonable gun 190 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: control laws that you can even get most gun owners 191 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: on board with and it doesn't lead to mass confiscation 192 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: and it reduces gun violence, I think it makes it 193 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: easier to push for more gun control um again of 194 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: certain types. Another thing that I think we have to 195 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: be careful about but could be very beneficial as red 196 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: flag laws, and we have to find a new name 197 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: for them. The name red flag law has been demonized 198 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: too much by the right wing media to to work anymore. 199 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: Like they don't the conversation is just over about the 200 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: very basic idea of where where the the impulse comes from. 201 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: Even it's just like, no, we're not going to talk 202 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: about that because a red flag a term used for 203 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: fire days in Los Angeles, so a little confusing from 204 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: but I think, you know, there's there's good points that 205 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: they do have in terms of why they think red 206 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: flag laws would be dangerous, which is like most of 207 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: the laws that have been the red flag laws that 208 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: have been proposed are actually really vague, and you could 209 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: have people having their weapons taken from them for political reasons, 210 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: for example, which is a reason a lot of leftists 211 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: don't get on board red flag laws because they're like, well, 212 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 1: I live in a red state and they're going to 213 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: use these laws to disarm left wing organizations. Mean that 214 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: in your in the episode, there's that person who's like, yeah, 215 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: I think flag laws are good as long as it's 216 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: like about comis and Antifa, so I can kill them 217 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: so and I I think one significant way to to 218 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: get the most benefit out of the thing that red 219 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: flag laws should be um without having as high odds 220 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: of of flipping some of these people out, is to 221 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: focus on taking a focus on in the name of 222 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: the law and in the letter of the law, taking 223 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: firearms away from domestic abusers and have specific laws tailored 224 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: just towards if you beat your spouse, if you beat 225 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: your kids, you don't get to have a gun anymore. Yeah, well, 226 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: that's part of and that's part of what I think 227 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: you'd have trouble getting a lot of liberals on board with, 228 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: because we would then have to grapple with the fact 229 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: that statistically, between twenty and of police officers and domestic 230 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: abusers and police officers abuse their spouses at a higher 231 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: rate than members of any other professional in the United States. 232 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: It's unsettling. Yeah, but I very much support disarming roughly 233 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: of US police officers could start. Um, So I do 234 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: think there's actually quite a lot that cannon should be done. Um. 235 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: I think one of the more dangerous things that we 236 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: have in the gun control debate right now is a 237 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: certain subset of Democrats who are like, really obsessed with 238 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: the idea of gun confiscation. Betto Rourke is the obvious example, 239 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: and people would point out, well, he only got about 240 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: two percent of the vote, and they'll point that out 241 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: is to be like, well, but he's not really a 242 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: serious like mind in in the Democratic Party, and so 243 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: folks shouldn't focus on it. But I'm telling you, like 244 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: the right wing is focused on and it's not just 245 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: Beto Rourke. One of the big viral stories from last 246 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: year is Representative Eric Swawell of California UM has also 247 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: been talking about mass gun confiscation, and he got into 248 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: a Twitter fight with some gun rights guy where the 249 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: gun rights guy said, how are you gonna enforce the 250 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: confiscation of firearms? Like, you know, people will take to 251 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: the hills and fight the government and he was like, well, 252 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: the government has nukes, and it was like, that's not 253 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: how you did. That's the wrong way to go. And 254 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: that's raising the temperature and making its convincing these people irrationally, 255 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: but it's convincing them that there is this massive secret 256 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: plot betwein the Democrats people. And you're like, well, nuque 257 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: if you Oh my god, I'm not I'm not like you. 258 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: I don't like guns. They freaked me out. I don't. 259 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't want to hold one. I 260 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: don't want to see one. Um I will because I 261 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: probably is a smart idea for me to take you 262 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: up on your offer to go to a shooting range sometime. 263 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: But at no point does the idea of gun has 264 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: the idea of gun confiscations seemed reasonable, even though though 265 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: my ideal utopia world is one where we're not having 266 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: these conversations at all because we don't have them, but 267 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: um uh, it doesn't seem like in our in our world, 268 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: in this climate. It just even if we did, even 269 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: if we did somehow pass that, um, how would you 270 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: logistically do it? What? And then the reaction that people 271 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: would have to it, and again raising the temperture of 272 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: everything it just doesn't seem like the or is it 273 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: helpful in this conversation having that rhetoric thrown around, especially 274 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: well and stuff that you're trying were like the things 275 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: that people generally agree on are often lumped in with that. 276 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: So if you lump in like, oh, and also a 277 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: gun confiscation, then like, well, none of the things that 278 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: you said am I on board with? Now? Even though 279 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: if you isolate them, they basically all sort of generally agreed, 280 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: like yeah, like universe background checks, sure, um, but yeah, 281 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: if you blump it in with because that's the thing 282 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: they're most afraid of, is like, well, I'm going to 283 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: lose all my guns, you know? Yeah, and it's you know, 284 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: I think. Um. So, like the things that I try 285 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: to emphasize is number one that even though the mass 286 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: confiscation thing is an actually a sizeable chunk of democratic politics, 287 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: folks on the right are convinced it is, and people 288 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: like Swallow and well, I know, everybody that I talked 289 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: to that's pro gun rights and everything is like, you 290 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: guys want to take away our guns, And every time 291 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: it's a conversation of no, actually that's a few people 292 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: have said that, But you're buying into the narrative that 293 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: that's what everybody wants to do. Yeah, And I think 294 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: one of the bigger issues is that there's this you know, 295 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: it's one of the things that that Lee brought up. Uh, 296 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: there's this chunk of the mainstream Democratic party that has 297 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: so much faith in our institutions, um that they think 298 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: those institutions. Yeah, they think that like because they won 299 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: an election, that that matters more than the tens of 300 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: thousands of people who are willing to kill over something. Um. 301 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: And it it doesn't like. Force is a reality in 302 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: American politics now, and the fact that a chunk of 303 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: this country is willing to kill for their beliefs is 304 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: a reality. And we have to be very careful when 305 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: we deal with that reality. Which doesn't mean we don't 306 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: do anything. It doesn't mean we give them everything they want. 307 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean we ignore, like we don't push for reasonable, 308 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: sensible gun control. But it does mean we have to 309 00:17:55,320 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: be careful because forces a reality that you have to accept. 310 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: And you know, the people that I think a lot 311 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: of liberals would rely on to protect them from these militias, 312 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: the police are way more sympathetic for those delicious kind 313 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: of people in them than they are the liberals. Well, 314 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: that feels like a really good time to stop for 315 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: a quick ad break. I would love to. Would you 316 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: like to? We all need an ad plane together? Everything 317 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 1: all right, we're back? Well, yeah, boy howdy. I do 318 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: love products services. I just will not shut up about products. 319 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: Good product. Mm hmmm. So um, I kind of wanted 320 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: to ask, like you guys have anything else like you 321 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: particularly wanted to get into questions or like things that 322 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: really struck you that you'd like explained about. Like I 323 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: feel like part of one of my jobs in this 324 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: uh uh in general is to try and because I 325 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: grew up in you know, as very conservative and we 326 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in American gun culture, is 327 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: to try to be sort of a translator for that 328 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: that community, um, because I do understand them pretty well, um, 329 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: even though there's certain things that you just can't explain 330 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,959 Speaker 1: to people who don't who don't I didn't grow up 331 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: in it, but like you know, I I'm I'm here 332 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: to answer those questions. Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I 333 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: was kind of curious you read that, um that leftist 334 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: uh pamphlet left leaning the left Libertarian Yeah, um, and 335 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: I was kind of curious if you had if you 336 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: spoke to anybody who like read it and it was 337 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: affected by it or like considered it, because I feel 338 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: like that like a lot of we're talking about it's like, yeah, 339 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: we understand that there's like a way to talk about 340 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: this and a way to sort of separate different aspects 341 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: of gun control. So it doesn't like freak these people 342 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: out that they're gonna get nouked if they resist or whatever. Um, 343 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: But if on their side, if there's any of like 344 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: understanding of of of that viewpoint, I think there's a 345 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: little bit. So there was like a dinner that some 346 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: of the militias held that the John Brown Gun Club 347 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: was invited to after the rally, which I think is 348 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: a good sign. Um, there's certainly a sizeable chunk of 349 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: rally attendance that have no desire in in talking with 350 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: these people. But there were also like you know, one 351 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: of the things that I probably could have stood to 352 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: focus on a little bit more is there were a 353 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: handful of sort of left wing pro gun demonstrators in 354 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: the crowd, including like trans firearm rights people, gay firearms 355 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: rights people, like waving signs, and I there was never 356 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: any kind of violence or aggression towards them. UM. There 357 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: was a very small contingent of kind of a group 358 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: of people calling themselves black Panthers. It's a different than 359 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: the original organization. I think there's some problematic aspects towards 360 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: this new organization. I don't know enough about it to 361 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: get into it in detail. But one of the things 362 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: that was really interesting to me that I I haven't 363 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: really talked about yet, UM, that I want to is 364 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: there's a strong left wing anti fascist activist community in Virginia, 365 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: UM that has been really galvanized and mobilized as a 366 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: result of the seventeen Unite the Right rally. And I 367 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: spent a decent chunk of the day with those people. 368 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 1: And number one, they made a very conscious decision not 369 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: to protest, not to counter protests, in part because they're 370 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: all pretty pro gun. But they were there, UM, and 371 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: they were they were very intelligent about what they did. 372 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: So Number one, they had people you know, just with 373 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: guns walking through the crowd, UM, communicating with each other 374 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: through like radio and text to like, you know, when 375 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: they got worried if there was like an argument going 376 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: on between different groups of demonstrators, they had medics seated 377 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: throughout the crowd. Yeah, they and and the medics are 378 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: a separate group that's working with some of the anti 379 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: fascist contingents. They're not the same organization, but they worked 380 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: together today. One of the places I saw was a 381 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: hidden trauma clinic where they basically occupied a space. I 382 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: don't want to get any more hail than that, but 383 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: it was they found an empty building to occupy and 384 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: they set up a clinic for dealing with gunshot wounds 385 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: and whatnot like that that was hidden in in secret 386 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: um and did not wind up needing to be used, thankfully. 387 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: But there was a lot of preparation from that community 388 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: and a lot of understanding that like this is certainly 389 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: not the time to counter protests UM, but it is. 390 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: We we should be a part of this. And one 391 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: of the things some of their activists were doing was 392 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: going through the crowd and looking for explicit neo Nazis 393 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: that they recognized. I was actually there for one of 394 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: those confrontations with a guy named Jovie Vault where um 395 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: an anti fascist activist named god Gatsby called him out. 396 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: Vale is somebody who has warned Swastika as a marches before, 397 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: who I didn't. I mean, he admitted to being a 398 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: national socialist. He was like yeah, okay, and um, you know, 399 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: there was no it was actually like it was going 400 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: really well. There were a group of proud boys who 401 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: clearly seemed to be more on Jovi's side, but most 402 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: of the pro gun demonstrators like nobody threatened goad um 403 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: and a couple of them started yelling at Jovi once 404 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: he admitted to being a national socialist, including one guy 405 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: who was calling him a liberal, like get out of here, Nazi, 406 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: You're just a liberal and liberal to him. No, he 407 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: was like he's on the right like us. I love that. Yeah, 408 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: they're just like following around like making sure like no, no, no, no, no, 409 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: don't worry he's not. And it was it was weird 410 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: because like that guy was committed to the end to 411 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: calling Jovia liberal but was also like he's a fucking 412 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: Nazi and fuck Nazis. I'm not listening to you. Like 413 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: I just heard him say he's a national socialist and 414 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: I'm not okay with that. I think he's like easy 415 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: for us all too. That just made me think to say, 416 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: these people who are veryly adamantly pro guns all this 417 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: are kind of all right, Like in my mind, it 418 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: starts to get lumped together and it's very distinctively not 419 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: you know that, I don't assume that everbody that's progne 420 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: isn't all right. I'm just saying that in these big 421 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: um protest situations, with everything heightened, you start to paint 422 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: people with a brush my point, And yeah, I think 423 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: there's a lot of like there's a lot of misinformation 424 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: and propaganda purposefully out there to blur those lines. And 425 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: so like you'll get a guy who's like, oh, you're 426 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: a Nazi. That means you're a liberal, because that's what 427 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people say that nazi means, um. And 428 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: it's interesting to see those interactions where they realize like, oh, 429 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: oh no, this is who I'm aligning myself with. They 430 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: if they realize it, like that guy didn't obviously, but 431 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: to see to see the reaction of like, you're you've 432 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: got these sort of like fascist leaning opinions and then 433 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: someone's outright like, oh, by the way, I'm a national socialist. Um. 434 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: I'm just always interested to see the process, the thought 435 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: process that reacts to that realization. Not always great, and 436 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, again, usually means that they think that they're 437 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: liberal or something like that. But yes, I'm always it's 438 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: fascinated to see those, uh, those lightbulb moments, even though 439 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: they're kind of rare. Yeah, and it's you know, I 440 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: can't say that I think a huge number of people 441 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: were convinced or change their minds on anything as a 442 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: result of sort of those pamphlets being pratt passed up 443 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,959 Speaker 1: highly gun club. Um. But I think it's a start, 444 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: and I think it's good that those conversations are being had. 445 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the things that's tough. I 446 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: think there is the potential for a reduce like reduced 447 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: conflict between left and right as the result of this 448 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: growing left wing gun culture that's really surged in. But 449 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: I think there's really no way it's going to take 450 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: off until something is done about this right wing media ecosystem, um, 451 00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: because it is an impenetrable wall of lies that the 452 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: inevitable end if we don't find a way to break it, 453 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: is war. I I really do think that, Like I 454 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: don't think it's inevitable that there's going to be some 455 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: sort of civil war, but if we don't find a 456 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: way to beat this thing, I do think it's inevitable. Yeah, 457 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: it's the logical conclusion of what they're saying and perpetuating. 458 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: Like I don't think it's like yeah, I don't think 459 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: it's like going to happen. But there is an element 460 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,719 Speaker 1: of like, well that what are they saying? What are 461 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: they what are they pushing people towards? How do they 462 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: how do they constantly talk about this topic? Um? And 463 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: then you have yeah, like all these like just writing 464 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: fingers talking about I mean, they don't use the word boogaloo, 465 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: but they talk about how the left ones a civil 466 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: war when actually that's what they're talking about, that's what 467 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: they're craving. And there's guys and you know, thankfully Alex Jones, 468 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: he's important to talk about. He is much less of 469 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: a factor than he used to be because his his 470 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: d platforming is really cut down on his audience. But 471 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: he is part of this crew of folks for who 472 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: the only the only future he and a cadre of 473 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: his his fellows have is if there's a civil war, 474 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: because if things get de escalated, if things if we 475 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: are able to build some sort of coalition of sanity 476 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: in this country. Again, Um, not only are they doomed. 477 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: But they're going to wind up and continue spending the 478 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: rest of their lives in court until they have nothing left, 479 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: which is where Jones is right now, which is part 480 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: of why he is so heavily pushing for a civil war. 481 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: He was talking about like stomping the governor of Virginia's 482 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: skull into the ground, like while driving around in a 483 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: tank and calling for seventeen seventy six again up now 484 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: like it's he's he's it is election year. But and yeah, 485 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: and like that, if if it does de escalate, then 486 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: he loses that sort of relevance and his hold on 487 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: that group of people. Probably a lot of media, but 488 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: a lot of right wing media relies on hysteria to 489 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: keep their viewership engaged. A yeah, but I mean specifically, 490 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: he's obviously selling like you know, like combat wipes and 491 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: stuff and like all the survivalist gear uh and pushing 492 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: for the for the use of that. Yeah. And that's 493 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: there's two sides to this because on sort of the 494 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: the left wing side of this, there is this need 495 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: to pretend that everything is fine and that both sides 496 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: of this political equation are equally rational. Um, I had this, 497 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: I had an interview with the BBC the night of 498 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: the Richmond thing. They saw my Twitter threat. I have 499 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: a decent connection with them, and like the the the 500 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: the the reporter on BBC Radio who I was talking 501 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: with kept going back to like, but it was a 502 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: peaceful rally, right, So like, why are you worried? And 503 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: I was pointing out, like, well, the people with right 504 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: wing death squad patches and the people fantasizing about a 505 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: civil war and the people saying that, like I just 506 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 1: want a war to start, those people worried, especially when 507 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: they're arching with right Also in our episode, your episode 508 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: of our show. Part of the reason it was peaceful 509 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: is that the FBI did a lot of work, Yeah, 510 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: the plan, Yeah, and the the specific thing that was 511 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: not the information was not out when I wrote that episode, 512 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: but it came out the next day, which is that like, 513 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: the FBI busted those members of the base as while 514 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: their car was loaded up with survival supplies, AMMO and 515 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: firearms on their way to Richmond with the goal of 516 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: assassinating some gun owners or cops with high grade equipment 517 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: taking it and then firing at counter protesters or just 518 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: into the crowd or throwing fireworks into the crowd to 519 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: spark a panic and get people shooting, and it huge 520 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: numbers of people could have died, and I don't normally 521 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: find myself on the side of I'm really happy the 522 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: FBI had it shipped together, a very good job about 523 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: dealing with this, and I'm very glad they're taking it seriously, 524 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: um because takes this one incident like that, like it's 525 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: the like, yeah, the thinking behind all these accelerationists, like, well, 526 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: you do this one thing and then it's a powder keg. 527 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: Yeah they I'm glad they did what they did, and 528 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: I think they saved a shipload of lives by doing it. 529 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: In contrast, when they urged him to kill himself. Yeah, 530 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: well you know, they've you know, if you look, if 531 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: you want to look at it as like a hero's journey, 532 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: they definitely had a positive arc. I I'm glad. I'm 533 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: glad they did what they did. I am concerned because 534 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: these rallies are going to keep happening, and yeah, it's 535 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: only January. This will happen several more times this year 536 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: and God knows, Like one of my nightmare scenarios is 537 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: that there winds up being whoever winds up being the 538 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: Democratic candidate decides that part of their election strategy is 539 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: going to be advocating for an assault weapons ban, and 540 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: a group of white right wing demonstrators in a state 541 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: where it is legal to open carry protests outside of 542 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: that candidate's rally, and there is a confrontation between them 543 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: and liberal demonstrators and things get very ugly. But I 544 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: don't like this what if no, you know, one of 545 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: the things that is it's it's really interesting because like 546 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: I was just giving a lot of praise to the 547 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,719 Speaker 1: FBI because I think they saved a lot of people's 548 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: lives by having their ship on the ball. I have 549 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: nothing but condemnation for how that kind of nations not 550 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: the right word, are very frustrated with how the Richmond 551 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: police handled this demonstration because the Richmond police in specific, 552 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: whenever there are left wing demonstrators who do not demonstrate 553 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: with firearms, they are extremely violent, um with tear gas, 554 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: with sticks, with shoving with like like like like they're 555 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: like they they use a huge amount of force and 556 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: it's a felony in Virginia to protest to like obscure 557 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: your identity with a mask, and they arrest left wing demonstrators. 558 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: They tackle them like, they go all out, they use Yes, 559 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: there's one person that it was cold, and the one 560 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: person who was arrested at this rally was a left 561 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: wing demonstrator. I didn't deeply infuriated. There's yes, members of 562 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: them UM and the police could not have been more 563 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: hands off. The only time I saw them intervened directly 564 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: was when Goad was arguing with jovie Val and there 565 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: was no violence. Nobody was shoving each other and nobody 566 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: was pointing guns at each other. But the police did 567 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: the thing where they all ride their bikes into the 568 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: middle and wall everyone off, and it was like, these 569 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: are two groups of people talking, what are you doing? 570 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: And like again, I spent a lot of time with 571 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: these street medics who were UM. These with both different 572 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: groups of street medics and separate groups of anti fascists, 573 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: and the only people I saw followed by police for 574 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: blocks in some cases were street medics, unarmed street medics. UM. 575 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: You could watch the police fall allowing them sometimes for 576 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: like a half mile or more, just like staying a 577 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: block or two away. But it was just like what 578 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: are you doing? These people are just carrying medical supply. 579 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: It was very for us, all cops are behind the 580 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: bastards fans. I will say one of the lessons of 581 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: this rally that maybe some folks on the left might 582 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: take is that it certainly seems that if you have 583 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: a huge, heavily armed protest, the police stay the hell 584 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: away um, which was seen at the Stone Mountain. One 585 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: of the things that happened last year's there was a 586 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: KKK rally plan for a place called Stone Mountain, Georgia, 587 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: where there's a giant monument to the clans leaders and 588 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: an alliance of anti fascist groups from the south and 589 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,719 Speaker 1: the East Coast got together to march on Stone Mountain 590 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: and they marched with guns, and there were like four 591 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: hundred of them, all with with firearms, and the KKK 592 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: refused to show up, and the police stayed the hell 593 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: back while they went up marched up to the side 594 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: of this monument and burnt Confederate flag um and there 595 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: was no intervention and it was very peaceful rally, and 596 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: the clan was not allowed to march um. And I 597 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,439 Speaker 1: do think there might be It's one of those things 598 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: where I also suspect that if this had been armed leftists, 599 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: maybe there would have been a bigger crackdown, or maybe 600 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: the governor would have would have done more to try 601 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: to stop it. I don't know. There's not a simple 602 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: answer here, but I can say I have never seen 603 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: police in this part of the country be this hands 604 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: off with the protest of this size yetive, especially about yeah, 605 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: like the I mean, the mask thing is something that 606 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: they take advantage of in most demonstrations of recent years 607 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: that I've seen. Not great, Yeah, not great, very frustrating. 608 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: Um So, I don't know, it's a there was a 609 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: mix of It was really kind of inspiring to see 610 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: the these different medical collectives and anti fascist collectives who 611 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 1: had done a very intelligent job of setting up self 612 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: defense structures throughout the city in order to protect people 613 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 1: at this rally without them knowing it. And the level 614 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: of organization that I saw there and the level of 615 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 1: planning that I saw there was very inspiring. And I'll say, 616 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: I mean, there certainly are some some takeaways that you 617 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: can can be inspiring. Um. For me, I feel like 618 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: I have a little bit of a better understanding of 619 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: this topic and how to talk about it with people. 620 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: I think that's going to be really important for the 621 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: next always. Um. But yeah, and and also, yeah, your 622 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: conversation about the you know, the left libertarians and how 623 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: they are having that conversation. That is something positive that 624 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: we can focus on. Yeah, and the and the medic 625 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: thing too, because that's I mean, that's true of all 626 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: of these protests. Like the narrative is always like all 627 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: these violent antifa folk they always bring medics and have 628 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: have that apparatus ready in case something goes wrong. And 629 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: I always see people like de escalating sits your way 630 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: aations and trying to to not have these sort of 631 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: like little scuffles are like little acts of violence pop up, 632 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: and uh, that's I wish there was more about that, 633 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: because leading up to this, there's always like, oh, like 634 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: the media is making out this big thing like, oh, 635 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: there's gonna be all these like right wing like not 636 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 1: like fascist marching um and the left is are gonna 637 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: go and they're gonna cost trouble. It's gonna be this 638 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: big thing. And then when it's peaceful, Uh, it's presented 639 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: like all the media made it all up. It's like 640 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,879 Speaker 1: the you know, I don't know, it's very it's very 641 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: frustrating with how it's framed. And then after the fact, 642 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: it's presented as this like, oh no, just all these 643 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: like reasonable people showed up, but like as you saw 644 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: all these folks with like right wing death squads like 645 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: these like people wanting violence but not necessarily doing it. 646 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: And then on the left you have just these quiet 647 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: groups of people who are trying to de escalate and 648 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: trying to make sure if anyone gets hurt, we take 649 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: care of them. And that always seems to happen at protests, 650 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: but it's always framed as like the violent left, and 651 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: it's just it's that's just very frustrating, um to see, 652 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 1: especially a lot of the figures like the right wing, 653 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: like vlogger ecosystem or like I say, right wing, I 654 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: mean like people presenting themselves as like I'm a classical liberal, 655 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: but really am I'm not? And I yeah, I just 656 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: I understand why it needs to be sort of covert, 657 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 1: but also I wish more people knew about it because 658 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:30,720 Speaker 1: it's playing into what the media wants to be seen. Yeah. Yeah, 659 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 1: and the media, I think, more than anything, always wants conflict. Um. 660 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: I mean, when The Joker came out, they were like, 661 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: there's still not a shooting in a Joker screening, and 662 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: there was this also this one of the most frustrating 663 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: pieces of coverage of this prior to the event was 664 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: a Vice article saying that a Virginia area Antifa group 665 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: was going to be marching at the rally and support 666 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: of of the rally and gun rights, and the actual interview, 667 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: they were like, well, we're not going to be showing 668 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: up there because there's a lot of racist militia's there 669 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: and we don't want to support that. We're also not 670 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: against gun rights, we tend to we think these laws 671 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: are bad too. Um, We're just not going to show 672 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: up there. And Vice like just lied basically, uh and 673 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: made it look like these guys were going to be 674 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: demonstrating with these militias. Um. And so suddenly they got 675 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 1: deluged in press requests from guys who wanted to hang 676 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: out with Antifa at this rally, and that had to 677 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: be like, we're not that's not what we said. This 678 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: article was terribly written and basically just lying. It was 679 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: very frustrating. Yeah, yeah, and all always stuff like that, 680 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: like even like, oh, they're all these like Antifa, they're 681 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: gonna go and they're gonna pretend to be part of 682 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: the right wing marks and they're gonna cause trouble to 683 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: like frame them and I don't know, it's just it's 684 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: so easy for those things to snowball and then get 685 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: lost in the truth. And yeah, well I think that 686 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: about does it for us today. Unless you guys have 687 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: anything else to throw out there, I couldn't agree with 688 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: you more for us today. I agree with you completely 689 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: about that. Um. Thank you. Guys. Can find us online 690 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: at Worst Year Pod on the socials. On the socials, 691 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: I'm speaking specifically about his Instagram and Twitter. I don't 692 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: know why I'm saying it like this. It doesn't matter, 693 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: but we'll be back next week, so don't worry about 694 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 1: that's true. It is true, Robert, Thank you so much. Yeah, 695 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: I really really appreciate you and and the work you 696 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: did on this. We love you and miss you. Yeah, 697 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: I miss you all too. Well. We'll have to go 698 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: have us a party, uh at one of these events 699 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: next maybe sea packet that sounds yeah, party at um, 700 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 1: take ecstasy and talk to Tucker Carlson. It's gonna bring 701 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: us all together. I would enjoy that. Yeah. Yeah, let's 702 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: do that, all right. We have a great weekend, guys. 703 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: Everything so dumb. It It's Not Again. I Tried Daniel. 704 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: Worst Year Ever is a production of I heart Radio. 705 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the i 706 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 707 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.