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Speaker 1: back here for episode number seventy one of the mets

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Speaker 1: Up Podcast. Of course, I'm your co host Draftneckmark Mark

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Speaker 1: Luio here with James Jeter had no range talking about

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Speaker 1: the New York Mets and we actually do have some

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Speaker 1: stuff to talk about. Again. I know you're probably like,

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Speaker 1: where's the once upon a time in Queen's episode. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna come when we literally have nothing. We actually have

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Speaker 1: things to talk about here. Let us talk about current events.

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Speaker 1: We got a new bench coach, O exciting new bench coach.

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Speaker 1: We got some international signings that went on as well.

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Speaker 1: We got some updates with the lockout. And we also

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Speaker 1: have a special guest in this episode, Matt Eddie from

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Speaker 1: Baseball America. He's one of their editors over there. He's

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Speaker 1: actually gonna come on for like the last twenty minutes,

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Speaker 1: talk about the Mets prospects, talk about their farm system,

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Speaker 1: at the reviews the other day, So we do appreciate

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Speaker 1: that and we will address those questions if we have

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Speaker 1: not yet done so. Perfect time to bring in James's

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Speaker 4: I'm good, good day, I got a good episode plan.

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of excited about this one. And also, don't

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Speaker 4: undersell Met Eddie. He's the executive editor at Baseball America.

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Speaker 4: He is, He's one of the head honchos over there,

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Speaker 4: So this was a pretty big poll for us, So

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Speaker 4: I don't want you to talk about just so easily

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Speaker 4: editor over here. He's been there for twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an appropriate fix right there. We definitely need

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Speaker 1: to get the title correct executive editor. Yeah, and me

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Speaker 1: and James technically recorded that part first before we did

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, guys, really really good conversation. If you're

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Speaker 1: stick around for the last twenty minutes. Right now, though,

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Speaker 1: we want to talk about stuff that's currently going on

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Speaker 1: Literally, the only guy on the coaching staff that seems

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little dated there. At the end of

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Speaker 4: Of course, after Buck went to Arizona, he took Glen

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Speaker 4: He was with them until he came to the Mets.

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Speaker 4: Not ninety more, but nineteen total, from ninety eight all

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Speaker 4: Three three interesting years to the Mets, he said a

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Speaker 4: definitely were never gonna get granted interview between Andrew Bailey

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, just just buy into what we're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: Baseball wasn't a good spot before the lockout. Rob Manford's

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Speaker 2: It's just it's this same nonsense.

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Speaker 1: Bullshit that we've been dealing with forever of like just

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think the concept of missing games is kind

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Speaker 4: they definitely occur between April fifth and April twentieth. Games

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Speaker 1: And again, like I know, we like love baseball hundred

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Speaker 4: Definitely, And the owners are very aware of how much

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Speaker 1: It is a collective bargaining agreement. The word bargain is

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Speaker 4: Right now, absolutely, And the players have to be thinking

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Speaker 4: get spring training games started on time. And spring training

438
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Speaker 4: is a big bargain trips the players as well, because

439
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Speaker 4: they don't get paid during spring training. So these players

440
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Speaker 4: are already going to have an entire offseason and two

441
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Speaker 4: of the last three years now basically training completely on

442
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Speaker 4: their own, so they're probably a little bit more equipped

443
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Speaker 4: to deal with that. And it's going to take money

444
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Speaker 4: out of the owner's pockets to lose these spring training games.

445
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Speaker 4: Not substantial amount of money, but still some money, and

446
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Speaker 4: it kind of puts the teams in a worse spot

447
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Speaker 4: because they're less aware of where their players are at

448
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Speaker 4: rehabilitation wise, and they're less prepared to handle anything that

449
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Speaker 4: happens to their players because of how abbreviated the next window

450
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Speaker 4: of player transactions will be, so that those first week

451
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Speaker 4: of spring training are where the players are going to

452
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Speaker 4: have an opportunity to use one of their strengths, and

453
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Speaker 4: it's imperative that they do if they want to try

454
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Speaker 4: and at least get some victories here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as much money as you know, they would be

456
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Speaker 1: losing by you know, having a season be delayed or

457
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Speaker 1: missing games and stuff like that. The owner stats where

458
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Speaker 1: it hits them the hardest is when games don't get played.

459
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Speaker 1: And that's what Ken Rosenthal I think even past and

460
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Speaker 1: we're talking about a lot, was that games not being

461
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Speaker 1: played is not only bad for the owners, but it's

462
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Speaker 1: bad for Rob Manfred who was brought in literally me

463
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Speaker 1: and you were talking about it before. Bud sealely hand

464
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Speaker 1: chose them and picked them because he was like, you

465
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Speaker 1: are good at litigation. You are a good lawyer. You

466
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Speaker 1: are a good attorney. You're gonna win us these battles

467
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Speaker 1: and these arguments in these you know, cbas and right

468
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Speaker 1: now he is not looking good. And it's not just

469
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Speaker 1: from like the fans around baseball, Like it feels like

470
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Speaker 1: everyone you talk to legal people who talk to everyone,

471
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Speaker 1: they're like, he's kind of kind of screwing this up

472
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Speaker 1: a little bit here. He's not doing a great job.

473
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Speaker 1: And if the owners see that money come out of

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Speaker 1: their pockets, Rob Manfred's gonna be the first to go.

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Speaker 1: So maybe if you're at that Rob Manfred, you're hoping

476
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Speaker 1: for some miss games, because from what Ken Rosendal's podcast,

477
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Speaker 1: at at least, it seemed like if there is gonna

478
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Speaker 1: be miss games, Rob Manfred's job is going to be

479
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Speaker 1: very much online.

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Speaker 4: I think it's very meaningful that we are going through

481
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Speaker 4: this negotiation in this age of like hyper information, especially

482
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Speaker 4: in terms of baseball, Like Mark are very active on

483
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Speaker 4: baseball Twitter, and there's tons and tons of people, very

484
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Speaker 4: rich universe of baseball twitther and people who are i

485
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Speaker 4: would say generally like pretty leftist, very pro labor, very

486
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Speaker 4: pro union, very pro worker, very anti wealth, very anti owner.

487
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Speaker 4: And this is kind of like a large switch from

488
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Speaker 4: the actual meat of baseball's fan base, which are old

489
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Speaker 4: white men who are generally gonna be like pro owner

490
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Speaker 4: and not necessarily anti labor, but there are people who

491
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Speaker 4: are gonna be like, these guys make millions of dollars

492
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Speaker 4: to play a game and play it for free, you

493
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Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like we have to kind of

494
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Speaker 4: leave that public perception in the past and be on

495
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Speaker 4: the side of the player here and let this vocal.

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Speaker 4: I don't know whether it's minority or a majority at

497
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Speaker 4: this point because it's hard to determine how much of

498
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Speaker 4: an actual unit the people are on Twitter as opposed

499
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Speaker 4: to who actually watches baseball in the grand scheme of things.

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Speaker 4: But just keep banging the drum because eventually we could

501
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Speaker 4: live in a world where the players can win more

502
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Speaker 4: than they lose, and that a big part of that

503
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Speaker 4: is how much the public perception is going to play

504
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Speaker 4: into how these owners are viewed because we the owners

505
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Speaker 4: have so much power. We saw one Jerry Reinstorf's news

506
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Speaker 4: outlets the other day put out a headline that said

507
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Speaker 4: owners offer players chance to return the work players box

508
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Speaker 4: or MLBPA box. Yeah, that's discussing.

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Speaker 2: It's so ridiculous.

510
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Speaker 1: This is the same thing with the letter that Manfred

511
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Speaker 1: wrote where he was like this, we have to lock

512
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Speaker 1: the players out, because baseball can cease to will cease

513
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Speaker 1: to exist if we continue like this. It's like, spare me,

514
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,480
Speaker 1: like I'm not I'm not stupid. None of us are dumb.

515
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Speaker 1: I think baseball fans are for the most part, pretty

516
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Speaker 1: like well educated, pretty well in tune with what's going

517
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Speaker 1: on in the game. And to just be like treated

518
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Speaker 1: like we're stupid, it's so frustrating.

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Speaker 4: Definitely. Tuesday was Kurt Flood's birthday, the father of modern

520
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 4: free agency, and at that time, the owners said that

521
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Speaker 4: free agency would kill the game of baseball, would cease

522
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Speaker 4: to exist. And baseball is as successful and profitable as

523
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Speaker 4: ever has been, and free agency, I think is a massive,

524
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Speaker 4: massive part of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there were some other things that came out

526
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Speaker 1: of this meeting. I guess too, right, DH is gonna happen.

527
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Speaker 4: That's the DH is most likely going to happen. And

528
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Speaker 4: we're moving towards expanded playoffs. I'd say almost definitely.

529
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Speaker 1: I think the owners said fourteen and the players said twelve.

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Speaker 2: I believe we're the numbers that they came to.

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Speaker 4: Definitely, But that's another negotiation mechanism by the owners because

532
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Speaker 4: the biggest chip the players do have to give them

533
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Speaker 4: is expanded playoffs. Agreeing to that because that is going

534
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Speaker 4: to be like a billion dollars in the owner's pockets,

535
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Speaker 4: which major deals on ESPN, and.

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Speaker 1: The players will make more too by having playoff games too,

537
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Speaker 1: because you get the playoff bonuses as well.

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Speaker 4: Definitely, and it will probably help the competitive balance in

539
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Speaker 4: the league because if more teams have the ability to

540
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Speaker 4: make the playoffs, more teams have the ability to say

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Speaker 4: that's free agents, So there's a better chance if that's

542
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Speaker 4: something that is valuable to a free agent, there's a

543
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Speaker 4: better chance they'll go to a wider ray of team,

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Speaker 4: similar to how an expanded college football playoff will help

545
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Speaker 4: spread recruiting out in college football. Yea's just a way

546
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Speaker 4: to increase competition. But I don't love the expanded playoffs,

547
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Speaker 4: but I think it's a necessary evil for the players

548
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Speaker 4: to get what they want.

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Speaker 1: There's a needle to be thread with this because there's

550
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Speaker 1: the NBA where you have the eight seed that is

551
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Speaker 1: under five hundred every single year and they stink and

552
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Speaker 1: they have no chance of doing anything. Once every ten

553
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Speaker 1: years they beat the one seed in the first round.

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Speaker 1: We don't want that scenario because baseball's had such great

555
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Speaker 1: parity recently in that, like you know, teams are just

556
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Speaker 1: kind of coming out nowhere, teams are able.

557
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Speaker 2: To build up and stuff like that.

558
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Speaker 1: We don't want to see, you know, the Dodgers play

559
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Speaker 1: playing the fourth place Philadelphia Phillies in Round one. That's nonsense.

560
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Speaker 1: We don't want that. But get the Dodgers playing, you know,

561
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Speaker 1: a second place team from every division.

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Speaker 2: Like I think expanding it.

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Speaker 1: That way the first and second place from every division

564
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Speaker 1: at least would be a really fun way to make

565
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Speaker 1: baseball more entertaining. And remember with the lot or not

566
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Speaker 1: lockout season, with the COVID season, that like wild Card

567
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Speaker 1: weekend or that wild Card.

568
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Speaker 2: Week was electric. It was awesome.

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Speaker 1: That was NonStop baseball all day on our TV, and

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Speaker 1: I loved it.

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Speaker 4: It was tons of fun. But this one was a

572
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Speaker 4: little disproposal was a little bit different than what we

573
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Speaker 4: saw that year because in this say that the owners

574
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Speaker 4: proposed there were seven teams from each league making it

575
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Speaker 4: that year, I believe it was six. The number one

576
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Speaker 4: seed usually gets a buy which is similar to the NFL,

577
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Speaker 4: which is important because that creates a system where the

578
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Speaker 4: teams that are well in first place will actually continue

579
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Speaker 4: to try. So I remember at the end of that

580
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Speaker 4: year the Yankees and the Dodgers specifically just took their

581
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Speaker 4: feet off the gas because they're winning the division by

582
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Speaker 4: eight games with like fourteen less, and they were like,

583
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Speaker 4: we don't have to try anymore. And I'd hate to

584
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Speaker 4: lose like a month of competitive baseball, especially as an

585
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Speaker 4: avid fantasy baseball player, for good teams that have nothing

586
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Speaker 4: to play for, But we're gonna have three games. Seed

587
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Speaker 4: is again in the owners proposal, where two, three, and

588
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Speaker 4: four in that order are going to get to choose

589
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Speaker 4: which of five, six, and seven they want to play

590
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Speaker 4: against in a three game series, all of which will

591
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Speaker 4: be in the home park of the higher seeded team,

592
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Speaker 4: which I think is okay, but I would love to

593
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Speaker 4: see something like to do in Asia where the higher

594
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Speaker 4: see the team gets a game in hand, especially for

595
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Speaker 4: the division winners, like at least those teams who don't

596
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Speaker 4: get the Bible win their divisions, to two and three

597
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Speaker 4: seeds get a game in hand and get the easier

598
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Speaker 4: opponent and get the home games, while the four and

599
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Speaker 4: five seeds traditionally just play a three game series, maybe

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Speaker 4: even oscillating between the parks if travel can facilitate that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's like a not a popular take

602
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: amongst the younger crowd of baseball fans right now, but like,

603
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Speaker 1: there should be some value to winning the division. I

604
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Speaker 1: think that's sent to be your best team in the division,

605
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Speaker 1: and it shouldn't just be like a raw like one

606
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Speaker 1: through seven best records thing, because as we know, you know,

607
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Speaker 1: you could just be in a division where it's an

608
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Speaker 1: absolute slog fest and you can get screwed because every

609
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Speaker 1: team in that division is good.

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Speaker 4: So it's like but even with that, you're playing the

611
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Speaker 4: teams in your division the most so and that's how

612
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Speaker 4: you build rivalries. That's how you keep this game the

613
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Speaker 4: way it has been for so long. And that's Baseball

614
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 4: is a very historical sport. It's been around for a

615
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 4: very long time, America's past time. These visions have moved

616
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Speaker 4: around a lot, but baseball has made a great emphasis

617
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Speaker 4: on keeping some of these teams together, namely the Mets

618
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Speaker 4: and Phillies, the Dodgers and the Giants, the Red Red Sox,

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Speaker 4: the Red Sox, the Cubs, the Cubs and the Cardinals,

620
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Speaker 4: like these are things that are the pillars of the

621
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Speaker 4: history of baseball, and it would be just horrible if

622
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Speaker 4: we created this, like even doubt schedule where these teams

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Speaker 4: only play each other six times a year rather than

624
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Speaker 4: the eighteen they're playing each other now. Because I like,

625
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Speaker 4: there's there's a different energy in the air when you

626
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Speaker 4: go to the Mets Brays game, when you go to

627
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Speaker 4: the Mets Phillies game, we go to the Yankees, Red

628
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Speaker 4: Sox game, Cubs, Cardinals game, Like, you want to feel

629
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Speaker 4: that energy. That's a big part of what this is

630
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Speaker 4: and that's kind of how I think that you'll be

631
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Speaker 4: able to keep the fans that you already have while

632
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Speaker 4: still being able to grow the game.

633
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of the stuff that we're

634
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Speaker 1: hearing is better. I still don't know if it's good yet.

635
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Speaker 1: I'm not going willing to say that, but we are

636
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Speaker 1: moving forward. It feels like, which is something you said earlier,

637
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Speaker 1: we hadn't done for six weeks and that's at least okay.

638
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Speaker 4: Definitely, And at the end of the day with this proposal,

639
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Speaker 4: the owners bent i'd say about ten percent and added

640
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Speaker 4: like an air of cre activity, which that is a

641
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Speaker 4: massive improvement to what I thought was actually gonna happen,

642
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 4: and it's now up to the players to use the

643
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Speaker 4: words of somebody else not to be dumb with their

644
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 4: next proposal here.

645
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Speaker 1: Oh man, yeah, no, that's not our words by any

646
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Speaker 1: means not saying that.

647
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Speaker 2: No, no, we will not say that.

648
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Speaker 1: And I think that's pretty much it for the lockout.

649
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Speaker 1: We could talk about the nuances for forever, but you

650
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: guys can listen to people who actually know the ins

651
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: and outs of the logistics and laws and all the stipulations.

652
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Speaker 4: More.

653
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about something yeah, money, Let's talk about something

654
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: a little more interesting here that happened in the past week,

655
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Speaker 1: which is international signings. For those of you who aren't familiar.

656
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Speaker 1: Of course, you have the MLB Draft, which is the

657
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Speaker 1: American players, not necessarily American nationality, but from high schools

658
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Speaker 1: and colleges in America that get drafted into this as

659
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Speaker 1: well as Puerto Rico can be drafted. It's how we

660
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Speaker 1: get new talent in. And then there's the international signing,

661
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Speaker 1: which is a different period. It's not a draft. You're

662
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Speaker 1: basically throwing money at these fifteen or not fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,

663
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Speaker 1: eighteen year olds from the Dominican Venezuela, all the Latin

664
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Speaker 1: American countries outside of the United States. Essentially, you're bidding

665
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Speaker 1: for the guys that you want to bring into your organization,

666
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Speaker 1: something that happens every single year. You see the trades

667
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Speaker 1: for international pool money. This stuff's super valuable. The Mets

668
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Speaker 1: have some guys that they have done really well with

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Speaker 1: out of the international pools that they've gotten before. Francisco Alvarez,

670
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Speaker 1: to name one, who's one of the guys that they

671
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Speaker 1: spent the most money on. And they did grab a

672
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Speaker 1: couple big guys. They grabbed I think twenty one total players,

673
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Speaker 1: twenty of which were from Venezuela and Dominican Republic, which

674
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Speaker 1: are just baseball powerhouses. Love to hear that. And they

675
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Speaker 1: got two big guys that we're going to talk about

676
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Speaker 1: in depth just because one they're the best guys that

677
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Speaker 1: they got it seemed like right now on paper. And

678
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Speaker 1: two they're kind of the only dudes that there's really

679
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Speaker 1: a lot of useful information or a lot of useful

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Speaker 1: video out on. Those guys are gonna be Simone one

681
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Speaker 1: and Willy fan Ya. So I feel like let's start

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Speaker 1: off with Simon one, right, I mean, this guy is

683
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Speaker 1: is the dude of the international class for the Mets.

684
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Speaker 1: He's a possible five tool player, and he looks really

685
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Speaker 1: good at least from my view.

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Speaker 4: Definitely. One is the type of foundation, Like he has

687
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Speaker 4: the type of foundation as a player who could be

688
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Speaker 4: like a top fifty prospect sooner ravan later. Like if

689
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Speaker 4: he has two good years the minor leagues, people are

690
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Speaker 4: going to talk about Simo Wan like people you've heard

691
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Speaker 4: talk about if you're in the prospect world, like George Valeria,

692
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Speaker 4: Herbert Perez, who is some other international prospects with gain

693
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Speaker 4: some steam in the last few years.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like the last few year.

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Speaker 4: Like Noelvi, Marco Luciano. Like, if you have two really

696
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Speaker 4: good years and you've gotten around the level of money

697
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Speaker 4: Simo Wan got, which is one point nine million dollars,

698
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Speaker 4: usually that two million dollars three million dollars, where the

699
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Speaker 4: elite guys are less than that, you can still be good.

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Speaker 4: But I think the welv's bonus is actually just about

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Speaker 4: one point nine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's plenty of guys who don't get

703
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Speaker 1: paid a lot. We went over this the other Yeah,

704
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Speaker 1: like the money you typically follow the money for the

705
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Speaker 1: guys who are the hot commodities right now, because that's

706
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Speaker 1: just how it works.

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Speaker 4: Everybody.

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Speaker 1: It's a bidding war at the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: But just because he's getting under that two million doesn't

710
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Speaker 1: mean there's not a shot, because when you look at

711
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Speaker 1: this dude, I saw videos from him from twenty nineteen

712
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Speaker 1: and twenty twenty one, and I was just comparing contrasting

713
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Speaker 1: a little bit, and just physically, I think he's what sixteen, right,

714
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Speaker 1: he's still sixteen or seventy seventeen, Yeah, he's he's on

715
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Speaker 1: the lower end side for age, but just the way

716
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Speaker 1: he's filled into his body in just those two years

717
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Speaker 1: that loan is super exciting. And then when you watch

718
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Speaker 1: this guy swing really really quick, back, great through the zone,

719
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Speaker 1: uses the lower half, like all the things that you

720
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Speaker 1: look for in your hitter, like as a prototypical hitter,

721
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Speaker 1: he seems to mark those off. As a sixteen year old.

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Speaker 1: Of course, there's a ton of development that still needs

723
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Speaker 1: to go into it, but when you're paying a guy

724
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Speaker 1: one point nine million, clearly you're thinking the same things

725
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Speaker 1: as us, is that, oh, this guy could be something.

726
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Speaker 4: Definitely an MLB pipeline compared his prospect profile to George

727
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 4: Springer and Byron Buckston, which are two good places to start.

728
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Speaker 2: Those are pretty good players.

729
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Speaker 4: I take that, and a big thing about a guy

730
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Speaker 4: like Juan who Mark mentioned developed a lot physically in

731
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Speaker 4: the last few years, and a lot of these deals

732
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 4: happen under the table years in advance, and then it

733
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Speaker 4: comes down to the players and their families and how

734
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Speaker 4: much money you give them secretly as to how likely

735
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Speaker 4: you are to keep them. Especially if you find the

736
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Speaker 4: guy as a fourteen year old who you see a

737
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Speaker 4: lot of built them, that built us on that profile,

738
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Speaker 4: and you could give him money as for what you

739
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Speaker 4: can guarantee him one point nine million, when really maybe

740
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Speaker 4: he has developed into a two or three or three

741
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Speaker 4: and a half million dollar player. That's how you find

742
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Speaker 4: your value there. I'm not saying that happened here, but

743
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Speaker 4: I'm I'm saying that when you see someone grow a lot,

744
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Speaker 4: which a lot of fifteen sixteen year olds grow a

745
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Speaker 4: lot in a year or two, that's something that could

746
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Speaker 4: be happening here. So even though one has the twelve

747
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Speaker 4: highest bonus in the pool and was ranked between ten

748
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Speaker 4: and fifteen basically everybody's list between Fangrass Baseball America and

749
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Speaker 4: MLB Pipeline, He's someone who you could really be excited about,

750
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Speaker 4: and someone you think could be a major pieces organization

751
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Speaker 4: a few years, like someone like Alex Ramirez, who I've

752
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 4: talked about a lot in the show. He signed for

753
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Speaker 4: two mil exactly a few years ago, and a couple

754
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Speaker 4: of years before that, Francis Guavas signed for two point

755
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,719
Speaker 4: seven and at like those are pretty similar levels of

756
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Speaker 4: money being given out. So Wan is a guy who

757
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Speaker 4: I think every Mets fan should be very aware of

758
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Speaker 4: moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really excited about him. The more I've been

760
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Speaker 1: watching his swing, the more I've been watching him hit,

761
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Speaker 1: I go as a sixteen year old, seventeen year old again,

762
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Speaker 1: I don't really remember how old he is on the

763
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Speaker 1: top of my head, and it's not really that important

764
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Speaker 1: to me, honestly. All this stuff looks really good, and

765
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Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what the Mets can do, especially

766
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Speaker 1: because I'm going to bring up your guy here. The

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Speaker 1: Royals do what's his name Schoenfeld?

768
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Speaker 4: H Dan, Dan Schoenfeld, Yeah, Dan Schoenfeld.

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Speaker 1: Whatever they were doing in Kansas City being able to

770
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Speaker 1: teach guys to hit forty home runs a year. This

771
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: kid built, like you're telling me. Byron Buckston Springer comps

772
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Speaker 1: teach him out hit for some power. It's really exciting stuff.

773
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Speaker 4: And you look at some of the international prospects that

774
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Speaker 4: the Dodgers pulled in under ben z Asmer and the

775
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Speaker 4: way they were able to extract power at them. Think

776
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Speaker 4: about Andy Pagas, who they pulled out of Cuba, who

777
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Speaker 4: wasn't really that herald as the international prospect. Yeah, he

778
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Speaker 4: only got three hundred thousand dollar bonus, which is one

779
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Speaker 4: of the lowest in his classes in twenty eighteen after

780
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Speaker 4: defecting from Cuba, and he became an absolute monster this

781
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Speaker 4: past year of Dodger organization. He's one of the premier

782
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 4: power hitters and all the lower myers. So you could

783
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 4: do a lot with these guys when you are when

784
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Speaker 4: you're developing them right away. And as you'll hear from

785
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Speaker 4: Matt Eddie, the mess are doing a lot more in

786
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Speaker 4: their system now since they brought in Zosmer, and since

787
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Speaker 4: Steve Cohors overhauled analytics apartment, especially at the minor league level,

788
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Speaker 4: to increase power and ex phlosophy. And if you're doing

789
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Speaker 4: that with these incredible balls of clay like one and

790
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Speaker 4: the guy we're gonna talk about Willie Fanias. There's a

791
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Speaker 4: lot of potential there.

792
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they look really good.

793
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Speaker 1: And then let's talk about the other guy here, Willie Fanyas, who,

794
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Speaker 1: by the way, fantastic name. I don't know why, it's

795
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: just it's fun to say. Willie Fanyas a little Latin

796
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Speaker 1: flare on it. Anytime you throw an ny in there,

797
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Speaker 1: I'm interested. And Willy Finyas a little bit older. He

798
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Speaker 1: turns eighteen, uh next Sunday, which, whenever you're listening to it,

799
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Speaker 1: I guess that's kind of gonna screw you up a

800
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Speaker 1: little bit. But like the twentieth or something like, that's

801
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: gonna be his birthday. And he signed for one point

802
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: five million as a little bit of an older guy.

803
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Speaker 1: So watching him hit, he's a switch hitter. He's another

804
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: one of these guys that's pretty big. He's a little

805
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: bit older, so he's gonna fill into his body again

806
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: a little bit better than some of these younger guys.

807
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Speaker 1: But there's a clip that's been going around Twitter of

808
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: him just kind of like hitting a home run. Yeah,

809
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Speaker 1: in a like scrimmage. It looks like he's kind of

810
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: on a random field and he pimps it and he

811
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: crushes it, and he definitely has got some bat speed,

812
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: which is super interesting, especially because switch hitter too, and

813
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: he plays the outfield, which would be really nice.

814
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Speaker 4: Defly he does just based on the look a little

815
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 4: more slight than Simon one. If you're gonna compare his

816
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 4: body type to some top prospects of the miners right now,

817
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 4: he looks more like a vien A zach Vine or

818
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 4: a Bobby Hassel rather than like the monsters, like you know,

819
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Speaker 4: like again, like you talked about the well via Marco Luciana,

820
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 4: who has like the built does he? You look at

821
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 4: a guy's back and you'll be like, Oh, that's that's

822
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: a guy, or like, all right, that's a guy, you know,

823
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 4: And that's the difference there. Fini as al Sweest and Wheels,

824
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Speaker 4: I saw another scrimmage video of him, like an triple

825
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 4: after he kind of pimped a little bit and then

826
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 4: he got the hustle going around for his base and

827
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 4: he still found his way into third. But one point

828
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 4: five million dollars is pretty substantial. That's both of these

829
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 4: guys got more money and the Mets gave any player

830
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 4: last year, and more money than they give any have

831
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 4: given any player in the last four years besides for

832
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 4: Alex Ramirez and Francisco Alvarez. So this is meaningful class

833
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 4: for the Mets. They seem to have liked it a lot,

834
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 4: and they seem to have staken their claim on two

835
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Speaker 4: power hitting outfielders.

836
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Speaker 1: And this is the thing that a lot of the

837
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Speaker 1: really good organizations in baseball the last few years have

838
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: been really emphasizing his international signings because not that they're cheap,

839
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: you have to spend the money up front, but the

840
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: idea is that you're able to get these guys at

841
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: such a young age that you can really get them

842
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: to buy into what you're doing, and you can really

843
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: mold them and sculpt them into the player that you

844
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Speaker 1: want them to be.

845
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Speaker 2: And you've seen it with the Rays, You've seen it.

846
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Speaker 1: With the Dodgers, Like you mentioned these guys, all these

847
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: organizations have been building these international prospects up and then

848
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: you find Wander Francos and then you find the Andy

849
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: Pagaz guys, where it's just like these are dudes who

850
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: are relatively like you know, unknown at the time, but

851
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: they become these beast players.

852
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 4: And even that you saw the Yankees sell off a

853
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 4: bunch of international prospects that they signed over the last

854
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 4: five years the deadline and got a lot of meaningful

855
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 4: major league players, including Joey Gallo, who's everyone hates please

856
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 4: still pretty good play Holmes, who's become one of the

857
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 4: best relievers in baseball. All of a sudden, like you get,

858
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 4: you get enough of a prospect pooled, enough prospect depth

859
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 4: within your system, and it gives you a lot of

860
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: flexibility to basically anything you want. And that's how the

861
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 4: competitive teams remain competitive.

862
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: Yep.

863
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: And that's something that we are gonna talk about a

864
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Speaker 1: little bit more here as we move into our interview,

865
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: are talking with Matt Eddie of Baseball America. So sit back,

866
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Speaker 1: listen next twenty minus, we're gonna be talking with Matt Eddie,

867
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: all right. So now I'm super excited to bring you

868
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Speaker 1: guys a new guest on the podcast.

869
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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 1: We've got from Baseball America, Matt Eddie, big prospect guy.

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Speaker 1: They just dropped their top one hundred rankings. We got

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Speaker 1: some Mets players to talk about, We got some Mets

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Speaker 1: questions to ask him. This is the dude. We talk

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Speaker 1: about prospects all the time, but if you really want

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Speaker 1: to get a better insight, Matt's gonna be your guy here.

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Speaker 1: So so Matt, first, thanks for coming on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate one of our first non player guests, so it's

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Speaker 1: always a pleasure to have you on. And I know

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Speaker 1: James has been telling me that you've been listening as well,

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Speaker 1: so that's also really cool to hear.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys strike a good balance at your humor

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Speaker 5: and information.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a good listen. So thanks for having

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Speaker 3: me on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, of course. And I guess let's just

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Speaker 1: get it started right. Top one hundred just dropped today

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, the day that we're recording, and Met's got

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Speaker 1: some players in there, so let's just start firing off

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Speaker 1: and start asking questions about the guy. And I feel

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Speaker 1: like the first one that all Mets fans want to

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Speaker 1: really hear about is going to be Francisco Alvarez, who

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Speaker 1: comes in at number thirteen and the number four ranked catcher.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Alvarez.

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Speaker 5: From the moment the Mets signed him, they've kind of

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Speaker 5: designated him as a special talent and that has truly

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Speaker 5: borne out. The first inkling we had that he was

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Speaker 5: going to be a potential, you know, all star caliber

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Speaker 5: catcher was you know, his pro debut was outstanding, but

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Speaker 5: at the alternate site is where he really separated himself.

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Speaker 5: I thought from the pack, you know, scouts were coming

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Speaker 5: back unanimously this is the top guy, and we're seeing

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Speaker 5: that as he moves well into the into the eleven

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Speaker 5: to twenty range in our top one hundred prospects in

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Speaker 5: a group of catchers that is very talented and very deep,

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Speaker 5: so he's he is a standout number one prospect for

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Speaker 5: the organization.

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Speaker 4: I know that you yourself in the last few months

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Speaker 4: have talked about that we're entering this kind of golden

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Speaker 4: age of catchers between at Alvarez, Atley Rushman, Gabriel Moreno,

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Speaker 4: Caper Luiz and also some guys who rank behind him

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Speaker 4: like Daviol Kartaya, I know you're pretty high, and Shane

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Speaker 4: Langliez if I remember from an old article correctly, what

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Speaker 4: exactly is separating Alvarez from guys like Moreno and Kibert,

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Speaker 4: who I think are probably a little bit closer than

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Speaker 4: him to the major leagues but have different probably a

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Speaker 4: different array of tools.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, those guys for that reason, because of the proximity,

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Speaker 5: they rank a little higher.

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Speaker 3: Ruiz and Moreno with Alvarez.

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Speaker 5: The separator is just incredible. Back to ball, the fearlessness,

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Speaker 5: power to all fields. There's a lot of confidence that

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Speaker 5: is going to hit and stay at catcher. You know,

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Speaker 5: he's not an all probability, not a Gold Globe catcher,

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Speaker 5: but a strong, strong potential to catch in the major

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Speaker 5: leagues and hit toward the middle of the order.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. As Mets fans too, we're kind of used to

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Speaker 1: having a more offensive first catcher. I think we'd be

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Speaker 1: all right if Alvarez is really more on the offensive

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Speaker 1: side probably than defensively. But it seems like even then,

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Speaker 1: like overall well rounded. I mean, like we said, he

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Speaker 1: came in at number thirteen, as high as like top

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Speaker 1: ten for some people maybe like he's clearly it seems

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Speaker 1: like the gem in this Mets organization.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he really is. The scouts you get.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's a wide range of outcomes because he

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Speaker 5: is a young catcher, but you know, the scouts who

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Speaker 5: like them are very, very effusive and they're praise like,

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Speaker 5: you know, the potential franchise level player if it all clicks.

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Speaker 4: Amazing, and then next Mets prospect you get ranked in

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Speaker 4: the top one hundred is Brett Baidy, someone who Mark

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Speaker 4: and I person very high at, someone we talked to

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Speaker 4: only a few months ago on this podcast. And he's

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Speaker 4: also in a glutt of third basemen that are pretty similar,

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Speaker 4: with a few guys being close close proximately the major

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Speaker 4: leagues with massive tools and Josh Young and Nolan Gorman.

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Speaker 4: But see he is behind Jordan Walker, and you guys

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Speaker 4: seem to be a little bit higher and Walker than

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Speaker 4: most other prospect lists, which is exceens because Baseball America

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Speaker 4: is a little more cunning than some other of the

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Speaker 4: websites out there. But where where is Baby separated from

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Speaker 4: Jordan Walker? For you guys.

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Speaker 5: With Walker, we're looking at incredible batspeed and impact and

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Speaker 5: just the fact that he was able to get to

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Speaker 5: high A and his pro debut is very impressive. You know,

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Speaker 5: there's a little bit of expectation built into there. Our

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Speaker 5: expectations are probably a little lower for Walker, so so

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Speaker 5: relative to that he outperformed those and perhaps that fed

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Speaker 5: into it a little bit.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: Baty's also a fine prospect, somebody, you know, a good

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Speaker 5: hitter to all fields with power, somebody who I think

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Speaker 5: is going to unlock power as his approach matures, and

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Speaker 5: he just you know, and gets more comfortable in the

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Speaker 5: pro setting.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys have like anything in particular with Brett

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Speaker 1: Batty that you think separates him from maybe that next

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Speaker 1: set of third base prospects, so that, I know, like

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Speaker 1: Miguel Vargas is relatively close to him as well. But

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Speaker 1: of course when you start talking about these guys in

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Speaker 1: the top forty, that's when you're really starting to get to, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, again, that cream of the crop for the prospects.

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Speaker 2: It feels like right now, yeah, those.

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Speaker 3: Two are very close. I think you could.

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Speaker 5: I think you would get different opinions if he asked

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Speaker 5: different people. I think the power projection the left handed

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Speaker 5: bat on baty might be a little better. But you know,

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Speaker 5: Vargas is.

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Speaker 3: Fine too, and I think you could defend either ranking.

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Speaker 4: Last year, Baby kind of moved around the diamond a

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Speaker 4: little bit more than I think most Mets fans expected,

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Speaker 4: especially when he was drafted so highly a few years ago,

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Speaker 4: namely playing corner outfield. And we asked him about that

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Speaker 4: when we talked to him, and he said it was

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Speaker 4: something he was open basically trying any position, which is

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Speaker 4: a little bit lofty. Expectations for a guy with stature

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Speaker 4: of Brett Bay. He's not gonna try any position, But

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Speaker 4: do you see him as someone who could potentially stick

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Speaker 4: in an outfield spot as the Mets have this kind

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Speaker 4: of glut of corner infield players.

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Speaker 5: Yes, especially early in his career, Uh, you know, long term,

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Speaker 5: third base, I would expect to be his his uh

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Speaker 5: most dominant position.

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Speaker 3: One thing that Mets continue to bring up is that

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Speaker 3: he's faster than he looks.

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Speaker 5: He's more athletic than his reputation and they and he's

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Speaker 5: an incredibly hard worker. So I think there is a

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Speaker 5: strong possibility that he could play left field for the

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Speaker 5: first season or two of his career.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I remember you and actually discussing that

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Speaker 4: a few months ago when we were talking on Towyl

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Speaker 4: and Mark and I and we watch him at the

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Speaker 4: Fall League. We were like, he's much faster than I've

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Speaker 4: seen any scout ever giving him credit for, Like you

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Speaker 4: see the way he moved down the lines of former basketball,

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Speaker 4: high school basketball player, high school quarterback. So I think

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Speaker 4: it is it has been happy to hear that athleticism

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Speaker 4: has been a bit underrated through the system.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and just a professional approach at the plate. Outstanding

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Speaker 5: batting practice.

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Speaker 3: Of the Futures Game.

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Speaker 5: I know he and Alvarez, that was the talk of

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Speaker 5: our team when they came back in the Futures Game.

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Speaker 5: It was those two put on the two of the

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Speaker 5: best batting practices there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those guys hit the ball differently.

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Speaker 1: And then I guess the last guy to really talk

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Speaker 1: about her with the Mets inside the top one hundred

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Speaker 1: is Ronnie Mauricio, who I feel like a lot of

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Speaker 1: Met fans are kind of a little bit all over

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Speaker 1: the place with whether or not, you know, he's going

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Speaker 1: to be a part of this team in the future.

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Speaker 1: That's still yet to be seen, but it does feel

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Speaker 1: like there is a lot of value behind this guy.

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Speaker 1: Guys kind coming in at number ninety two, which I

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Speaker 1: think is pretty fair ranking, but also know there's probably

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Speaker 1: people who expected to see him a little bit higher,

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Speaker 1: so maybe you can get a little insight as to

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Speaker 1: why he's in that ninety ish ranking.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, divisive, that would be the one word I would

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Speaker 5: us from Arizio. Explosive hands and bat speed and huge power,

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Speaker 5: not as much conviction that he'll actually hit and get

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Speaker 5: on base enough to be a major factor in the

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Speaker 5: major leagues, Like, that's probably his case in a nutshell,

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Speaker 5: but there is scouts outside the organization do like him.

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Speaker 5: You know, you can find people who will go to

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Speaker 5: bat for him, and I think in the context of

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Speaker 5: this system, he is clearly a top prospect and somebody

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Speaker 5: who belongs in that last quartile of the top one hundred.

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Speaker 4: Do you see a large difference between Mauricio mark Vento's.

1040
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Speaker 4: I know Viento's was not in the top one hundred

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Speaker 4: and his his report will come out more in the

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Speaker 4: issue that's due next week, But where do you see

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Speaker 4: the gap between those two guys as prospects, as different

1044
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Speaker 4: as they are both in proximity and player type.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, Mauricio offers a bit of more position value,

1046
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Speaker 5: quite a bit more position value and athletic ability. He

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Speaker 5: is one of the better athletes in the Mets system.

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Speaker 5: Those don't necessarily apply to Bianto's. But Vantos is more

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Speaker 5: accomplished as a hitter. You know, he went essentially from

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Speaker 5: low A to double A even you know, had a

1051
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Speaker 5: few weeks in Triple A. It does a lot of

1052
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Speaker 5: things that teams looking for these days. It's the ball hard,

1053
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Speaker 5: it's the ball in the air. It's hits at all fields.

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Speaker 5: So I think there's a lot of upside, some sneaky

1055
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Speaker 5: upside with him too.

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Speaker 2: For you guys at Baseball America.

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Speaker 1: I know this is like a big question on Mets

1058
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Speaker 1: as well, because we have Lindor lockdown for the next

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Speaker 1: ten years.

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Speaker 2: Do you guys see Mauricio as.

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Speaker 1: Being a shortstop when he gets to the major league

1062
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Speaker 1: level or he's gonna be someone who may moves around.

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Speaker 5: I think you could play it in the right situation.

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Speaker 5: Scouts have been generally optimistic about his fielding and throwing.

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Speaker 5: In the context of the Mets, third base or right

1066
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Speaker 5: field would probably be the most natural fits. I guess

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Speaker 5: you could work them at second base to try to

1068
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Speaker 5: get like a to get his bat in the lineup,

1069
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Speaker 5: like more a taller second baseman, but much taller DJ.

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Speaker 2: He's so big.

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Speaker 1: When we met him, we were like shocked, like because

1072
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Speaker 1: you know, you see all this stuff online and you

1073
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Speaker 1: can't really put it into words until you actually see

1074
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Speaker 1: the guy. And not that me and James are big

1075
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Speaker 1: in stature by any means, but to stand next him,

1076
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Speaker 1: we're like, he's such a young kid and he's built

1077
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Speaker 1: like this, already. It feels like that he still has

1078
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Speaker 1: so much more growing into his body that he could

1079
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Speaker 1: do that. Like, like you said, maybe shortstop with the

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Speaker 1: Mets isn't the spot, but like third base or right field,

1081
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Speaker 1: put on some weight as well and get some of

1082
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Speaker 1: that extra power. Like he kind of is a guy

1083
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Speaker 1: that I get really excited about, although I know that

1084
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Speaker 1: there are some still concerns with his game for sure.

1085
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and any prospect we're talking about who went through

1086
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Speaker 5: Brooklyn has a little bit you have to kind of

1087
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 5: filter the numbers through the Brooklyn parkifects, you know.

1088
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: And Maurice who did hit.

1089
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 5: Better on the road when he was at that level,

1090
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 5: and you know, he played pretty well at Double A

1091
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 5: for the week or so that he was there.

1092
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 4: We actually asked him about that because we've been to

1093
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 4: a few Cyclones games. I've been going to Cyclones games

1094
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 4: since I was since basically since they started the team

1095
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 4: in two thousand and one. And the wind that comes

1096
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 4: off that beach and Coney Island is so extremely strong.

1097
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 4: It's like it's almost impossible for guys to get the

1098
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 4: ball out. And that's why what Baby did there and

1099
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 4: Alvarez two to a lesser degree was so impressive, the

1100
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 4: fact they were able to put a couple of different

1101
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 4: home runs on the board at the stadium where even

1102
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 4: not even just the stadium, the pitching in that league,

1103
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 4: I know, traditionally the New York Pen League was always

1104
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 4: much more of a pitching dominant league, but offense just

1105
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 4: in general was very down at that park.

1106
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 5: I know, it's fun to look back at past left

1107
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 5: handed hitters. You know, you can go back Brandon Nemo,

1108
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 5: Michael Confordo, Mike Davis, Remembraham Davis, never forget production.

1109
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, the mess of like it's so probably like

1110
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,959
Speaker 1: from the outside looking in hard to understand, but until

1111
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: you actually, like really take a look at it, it's like, okay,

1112
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: like don't overreact to the numbers that you see in Brooklyn,

1113
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 1: And it feels like sometimes fans maybe get a little

1114
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: over excited about that.

1115
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 4: It's kind of like the numbers we see at the

1116
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 4: city field the major league level, with the winds coming

1117
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 4: off the laguire, the Jets streams, that's just don't want offense.

1118
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 5: I heard, you know, Sarah's mentioned something that the park

1119
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 5: tends to suppress exit velocity. I hadn't heard that before,

1120
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 5: but that's fascinating.

1121
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: He's been beating that drum for like about a year

1122
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 4: and a half now. Ben Zausmer, the new Mets assistant

1123
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 4: general manager and director of Analytics, actually mentioned that one

1124
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 4: of his first ores of business now this coming year

1125
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 4: was to actually be able to quantify how city Field

1126
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 4: suppresses eggs velocity and how they could find ways to

1127
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 4: circumvent it, which is fascinating, especially because it's not even

1128
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 4: at the bottom of park factors looking at either like

1129
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 4: fangrass ors, so always like towards the bottom, like the

1130
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 4: bottom third, but it's never like really all.

1131
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: The way low, maybe like the opposite humidor.

1132
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: We gotta start evendifying those baseball.

1133
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 4: Green defenses even more in three hundred eighteen foot fence.

1134
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: So we talked a lot about the guys in the

1135
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: top one hundred. Of course, you guys have the top

1136
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: ten Mets prospects up as well. We talked a little

1137
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: bit about Vientos. You know, a lot of people around

1138
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: the Mets know about Matt Allen, but of course he

1139
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: didn't get the pitch last year because of Tommy John

1140
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: who's a guy maybe in the top ten or maybe

1141
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: just even in the Mets organization that you think could

1142
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: fall into the top one hundred next year. A little

1143
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: bit of like an under the radar guy right now.

1144
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 5: That's a high bar, you know, Matt Allen is the

1145
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 5: obvious answer. He does have a tremendous upside when healthy.

1146
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 5: Oh you know, if absolutely everything broke right, JT Ginn

1147
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 5: or Alex Ramirez, you know, I would call those low

1148
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 5: probability outcomes, but not zero.

1149
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: You know.

1150
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 5: Well, actually, actually the most likely player at the rank

1151
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 5: would be whoever they draft eleventh and fourteenth.

1152
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 3: Overall.

1153
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty good. So honestly, I kind of wanted

1154
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 4: to ask you a draft question. I didn't even think

1155
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: we'd get here, but put on a sheet anyway. So

1156
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 4: last year there was like, there's a lot of talk

1157
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 4: around the much maligned Kamar Rocker pick, and I'm not

1158
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 4: going to get into the processes that either made him

1159
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 4: at eventually did not make him a met But seeing

1160
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 4: the way that draft board lined up last year, and

1161
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 4: with Rocker falling and the concerns about his decreasing velocity

1162
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 4: over the back half of Vanderbilts season, would you have

1163
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 4: opted or do you think that it could have more

1164
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 4: been more beneficial to the Mets, notwithstanding Rocker out signing

1165
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 4: to have gone for one of the more high upset

1166
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 4: position players like House or Watson, just based on the

1167
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 4: way their system is like arranged right now.

1168
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really like Brady House heading into that draft.

1169
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 5: You know, he's kind of a unicorn, bigger guy who

1170
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 5: could has at least a shot to stick a short

1171
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 5: stop with pretty elite power profile, you know. But at

1172
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 5: the same time, I do understand the Mets perspective. They

1173
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 5: are so thin on pitching, especially upper level pitching. If

1174
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 5: you have somebody who you view as a high probability

1175
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 5: number three starter, that's very appealing, especially if you're willing

1176
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 5: to meet the rumored price tag.

1177
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: So you know, I could see it both ways.

1178
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 5: I mean I would have in that position, I would

1179
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 5: have found the House to be very appealing.

1180
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 4: To building off that. Just getting down back into the

1181
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: Mets system mentioned that pitching is weak. Would you consider

1182
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 4: the Mets pitching depth to be the weakest position group

1183
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 4: in the minor leagues? Or is there even somewhere else

1184
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 4: they are weaker because the system truly lacks dep from

1185
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 4: top to bottom.

1186
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's an issue that they need to address. But yeah, proximity.

1187
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 5: Pitching is clearly the weakness for me. You know, they

1188
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 5: if you look at arms who could come up this year,

1189
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 5: it's you know, Jose Bhutto Adam Ahler would be two

1190
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 5: good candidates, you know, JT. Ginn if absolutely everything goes right,

1191
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 5: and that's about it. And that's that's a problem in

1192
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 5: terms of getting enough quality innings to be a competitive team.

1193
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: And I feel, like, to be honest, like not even

1194
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: just from the pitching side, but it feels like just

1195
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: kind of in general right now, the Mets kind of

1196
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: lack that upper minor talent like Beaty and or Baty

1197
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: and Alvarez are knocking on the door, but in reality,

1198
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: we don't really need to have them up in twenty

1199
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: twenty two. But when we look at like even guys

1200
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: in the outfield, like it's Khalil Lee who would be

1201
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: the next guy up or if you're even talking about infield,

1202
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: it's pretty hard to find who that next guy is

1203
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: gonna be Talking about the Mets upper talent at like

1204
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: the triple A level, like, is there anybody that's around

1205
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: there that you think is you know, someone that could

1206
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: maybe get to the major level that we're not talking.

1207
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 5: About Yeah, it's it's Khalil Lee, It's Nick Plumber, who

1208
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 5: they signed as a minor league creator, you know, to

1209
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 5: a one year major league deal. It's Jose Buto, it's

1210
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 5: you know, Carlos Cortez if everything breaks right, and Adam

1211
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 5: Aller the minor.

1212
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: League Rule five pick. It's actually actually a player development win.

1213
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: It's a good story.

1214
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 5: Not not like a high impact guy, but definitely a

1215
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 5: major leaguer in my opinion.

1216
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I it seems like, I mean, it was

1217
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: their picture of the year last year in the organization,

1218
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: I believe, so clearly like something was clicking. Now his ceiling,

1219
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: we don't necessarily know how high that would be, but

1220
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: it seems like he's at least going to be someone

1221
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: that can be serviceable at the absolute worst.

1222
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 4: And the Mets organization, Yeah, and just continue to have

1223
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 4: this conversation. It makes a little bit more strange that

1224
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 4: the Mets did expose Carlos Cortes and the player they

1225
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 4: got for Billy McKinney last year, Carlos rincone to the

1226
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 4: Rule five draft. Especially, it's two probably the two of

1227
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 4: the best hitterers that would have been on the triple

1228
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 4: A roster which I do find kindle peculiar, especially when

1229
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 4: they need upper miners guys to contribute. But we got

1230
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 4: a good listener question from one of our Twitter followers,

1231
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 4: name is Kyle F eleven. He's involved with us almost

1232
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 4: daily on Twitter, is a very loyal follower. But we've

1233
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: talked depens. The Mets have talked a lot about wanting

1234
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 4: to become like the Dodgers, and then we see farm

1235
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 4: systems and Baseball's basically the Dodgers, the Rays, now the Giants,

1236
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 4: probably soon to be the Yankees, as the teams who

1237
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 4: are consistently able to pull talent from their upper miners

1238
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 4: and basically not miss a beat on the major league level.

1239
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 4: And basically, how much time is there between the Mets

1240
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 4: actually getting to a level like that, and what steps,

1241
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 4: if any, that you know could are actually going to

1242
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 4: be taken for any system in baseball to breach a

1243
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 4: point where they are one of those systems as just

1244
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 4: flush with talent all the time, ready to be picked

1245
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 4: up whenever they need.

1246
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, good question. I think twenty twenty two is going

1247
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 5: to be a turning point. If we look back in

1248
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 5: five years and it works out, I think we'll be

1249
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two as the turning point for a couple

1250
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 5: of reasons. The hitting program started by Jeremy Barnes and

1251
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 5: others in the organization could pay dividends if it results

1252
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 5: in the system's goal of increasing exit velocity overall. I

1253
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 5: know the state of goal is they want to get

1254
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 5: into the top ten in the minor leagues, and there

1255
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 5: is a pretty good correlation between exit velocity and success.

1256
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: In the minors.

1257
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 5: I think the Dodgers and Rays are at the top

1258
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 5: of that leader board, So for instance, that's that's a

1259
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 5: worthwhile goal. And I think beginning with the hitter camp

1260
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 5: last year where some of the newer players were introduced

1261
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 5: to the concepts.

1262
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 3: I'm talking about guys like JT.

1263
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 5: Schwartz and Kevin Kendall, some of the draft picks, along

1264
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 5: with some of the other younger players.

1265
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 3: If those, if those, if those, if.

1266
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 5: That instruction sticks, we could begin to see some breakout

1267
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 5: players lower. And you know, the other thing is just

1268
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 5: the draft. This draft is huge for the Mets with

1269
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 5: two top fifteen picks, one of the largest bonus pools,

1270
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 5: you know, and then then two compensatory picks and the

1271
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 5: second round pick. It's it's very important to the future

1272
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 5: of the franchise.

1273
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess that kind of like leads into

1274
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: the next thing I wanted to ask about, which was,

1275
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: you know, like the Mets are always being linked to

1276
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: trying to make bigger moves, and like he talked about,

1277
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: like getting that number three starter would be pretty big

1278
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: right now, and we're probably gonna have to give up

1279
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: some guys. So I'm I mean, what prospect do you

1280
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: think would most likely be traded.

1281
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 2: From the system.

1282
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: It feels like there's probably an answer that everyone is expecting,

1283
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: but maybe I don't know, Maybe you have someone else

1284
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: that you think has a little more value than I

1285
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: think the elephant in the room.

1286
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 5: The most untouchables would would be Alvarez and Beati, perhaps Alan,

1287
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 5: you know, depending on where they're at with his rehab.

1288
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 5: I would say the other players would be fair game

1289
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 5: in the right deal, you know. I mean, for you,

1290
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 5: is the elephant Maurizio.

1291
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like that's like the name that always

1292
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 1: gets thrown around.

1293
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 2: It seems like it makes the most sense.

1294
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: He has probably some of their most value still because

1295
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: he is so young and plays shortstop and has that

1296
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: huge upside and he just doesn't kind of really fit

1297
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: into this roster per se in the future, even though

1298
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: he's like a couple of years away.

1299
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there is interest from other teams too, so

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Speaker 5: that does make sense.

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Speaker 1: And then I guess last question here because we want

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Speaker 1: to keep you know, not too long, appreciate you having

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Speaker 1: on if you had to rank the Mets system as

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Speaker 1: a whole, where would you kind of put in terms

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Speaker 1: of the rest of Major League Baseball?

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Speaker 5: They are middle of the pack, like in that sixteen

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Speaker 5: to twenty range is where they're going to settle heading

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Speaker 5: into spring training. And that's a reflection of having one

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Speaker 5: elite prospect, you know, with a caveat being that it's

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Speaker 5: a risky position, and then three other young hitters who

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Speaker 5: are barely close to major league ready.

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Speaker 3: That's that's valuable.

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Speaker 4: Just like a philosophical question when in terms of ranking

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Speaker 4: systems overall, do you are I give part of the

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Speaker 4: Baseball America's philosophy to give more credence to systems that

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Speaker 4: have more prospects with close proximity with potential similar to

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Speaker 4: the Mets having, like I said, four guys who you

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Speaker 4: could probably expect to be plus major league players within

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Speaker 4: a few years. Or did you like, do you guys

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Speaker 4: like to see like a depth in the system. Maybe

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Speaker 4: a lot of players between like two hundred and three

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Speaker 4: hundred in the rankings, but that fills out double in

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Speaker 4: Triple A rosters in a more positive way.

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Speaker 5: Or account that ranking is skewed heavily toward you know,

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Speaker 5: star power proximity. That's the way we look at it is.

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Speaker 5: It's it's those stars who make teams go. And if

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Speaker 5: you have more talent toward the top of the top

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Speaker 5: one hundred, more talent closer to the major leagues, that's

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Speaker 5: going to be reflective and a better ranking in our standing.

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Speaker 4: Awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Matt, thank you so much for coming on

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Speaker 1: this episode.

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Speaker 2: Really do appreciate it.

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00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: We would love to pick your brain more as the

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Speaker 1: season goes on and we get to get a little

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Speaker 1: more in depth of prospects once we start to see

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Speaker 1: games being played. Hopefully fingers crossed. Tell us where everyone

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00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: can find you Twitter. Tell us a little bit about

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00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: Baseball America here before you go.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, Baseball America. We're in our forty second year.

1341
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 5: I've only been there for half of them.

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Speaker 4: And pretty good.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, you know, the top one hundred prospects just launched.

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00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: It's a it's something we're proud of.

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00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 5: It's a collaboration between me and six other editors and

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00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 5: you know, with industry feedback incorporated too, so it's we

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Speaker 5: feel like it's a pretty good reflection of how teams

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00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 5: are valuing prospects right now. And as for me, you

1349
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 5: can find me on Twitter. It's probably the best place

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00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 5: Matt EDDIEBA.

1351
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 4: And everyone out there follow Matt. It's very receptive to mention,

1352
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 4: very friendly guy, very fun follow talks about other things

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00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 4: besides baseball, mostly prospects, So a good person to want

1354
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 4: to follow.

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Speaker 1: Matt. Thanks again for coming on.

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00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 2: We really do appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks guys.

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00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a great interview.

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00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: That was fun to pick Matt Eddie's brain a little bit,

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00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: just because, like, of course, we are not professionals by

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00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: any means and doing this, and he's been doing this

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00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: for twenty some odd years, so it's it's cool to

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00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 1: see a guy that's got the experience, got the knowledge,

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00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: but also kind of agree with what we think as well.

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Speaker 2: It's nice to hear.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Matt is also a fan of the podcast,

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Speaker 4: which is something that's also really cool that somebody as

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00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 4: established as him in the industry actually listens to us

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00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 4: idiots talk about baseball possibly once a week. And I

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Speaker 4: even made the connection with Matt because I've applied to

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Speaker 4: some jobs at Baseball America and I finally got an

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Speaker 4: interview over the summer. Who think it was like September

1373
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 4: August around then. I remember I biked home from Queens.

1374
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Speaker 4: We did the podcast together, and I was like hustling

1375
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 4: because I had a phone call with him. I was

1376
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Speaker 4: moving across the Pulaski Bridge and I wasn't like I

1377
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 4: wasn't experienced enough to actually get a real scathing job,

1378
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 4: but I just thought that was kind of funny, and

1379
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 4: I showed I showed him this podcast kind of listened

1380
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 4: to we've been dming on Twitter, and he was excited

1381
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 4: to come on. I really really enjoyed having him on.

1382
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 4: I think maybe probably another point when he comes on again.

1383
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 4: So I hope you guys like them.

1384
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like he's gonna be a recurring guest

1385
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: whenever we have more prospects stuff to talk about in depth,

1386
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: and I feel like we will as much as we

1387
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 1: have prospect fever right now. It will get stronger, I'm sure.

1388
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Speaker 4: And we've gotten great listener feedback on our Prospects segments.

1389
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 4: We're gonna keep bring it to you.

1390
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you guys also give us great feedback through

1391
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: the reviews on Apple Podcasts and dropping five star reviews

1392
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: on Spotify. I'm gonna plug it again because it really

1393
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: does help out. So a couple of you guys left

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Speaker 1: us some questions there in the reviews. We're gonna go

1395
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: ahead and answer them, and we'll get to start off

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Speaker 1: with the first one, because I see it right here.

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Speaker 1: Whose numbers should the Mets retire next? And I mean

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Speaker 1: we we're gonna have the same answer, right, It's gotta

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Speaker 1: be David right, David Right, yeah, question, it'd be anybody

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Speaker 1: else than him. I'm I'm shocked they haven't done it yet.

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00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: I'm not, but I am at the same time like

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00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm assuming once the first year that the pandemic is over,

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00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that David Wright's numbers get retired.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know who another option would be. John

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00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 4: Matt Black.

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00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: I saw a conversation of should they retire Beltron's number?

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00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: And I was like no, no, no, Like bel Trump was

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00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: really good, but you don't retire his number. He can't

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00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: do that for a guy who took a pitch right

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Speaker 1: down the middle like that.

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Speaker 4: But if he came up with the Mets and he

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Speaker 4: had those seasons as like a homegrown Met, then yes,

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Speaker 4: I would understand it. But signing him as a free agent,

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Speaker 4: while he was a great free agent acquisition, he's just

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Speaker 4: a player that you can reminisce on somewhat positively, rather

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00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 4: than someone whose number you want to look at every

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00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 4: single time of the game and remember that moment. No

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Speaker 4: one should wear number five ever again as a New

1419
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 4: York Met.

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Speaker 2: That's really what this is all about.

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Speaker 4: No, But otherwise it's kind of hard to pick out

1422
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Speaker 4: a guy because we got Keith last year, we did

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Speaker 4: cous and Fawns.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it would be like Doc, right, I guess.

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00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, was four good seasons. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I guess. That's almost like I don't I don't really,

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Speaker 4: I don't think I retired. He there was just guys.

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Speaker 4: One World Series with the Yankees.

1429
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Speaker 1: I know, the only thing. But like, I mean.

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Speaker 4: The Yankees.

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Speaker 2: As much as we like to.

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Speaker 1: Say Keith is a Met, he also like he seems

1433
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: to really love the Cardinals a lot.

1434
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Speaker 4: So he announces the Mets games wonner World Series with

1435
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 4: the Mets time Loough he but Keith also came to

1436
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 4: the Mets as a guy who changed the culture kind

1437
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 4: of instantly when he got let go from the Cardinals.

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00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 4: He got sent to the Mets because at the time

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00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 4: they were called Baseball Siberia because they were such a

1440
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 4: shit show of an organization, and he was a former

1441
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 4: MVP and he got traded because Whitey Herzog was manager,

1442
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 4: and he was just so outraged that he didn't come

1443
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 4: forward to this a guy who got caught with drugs

1444
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 4: as an old school guy, that they literally sent him

1445
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 4: to the Mets of punishment. He instantly got had this

1446
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 4: team on the right track in a way that they

1447
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 4: could have won multiple championships in the era where he played.

1448
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 4: It didn't happen. But he is someone who is very

1449
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 4: meaningful in Mets history, as it was David Wright.

1450
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Speaker 1: M's have Gary Carter's number retired.

1451
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 4: I don't believe so. He also he's not even a

1452
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame as a Met.

1453
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, that's true.

1454
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 3: It was.

1455
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 1: It's like it's another small speeding period.

1456
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 4: He can be cocked by Gary Carter and you can

1457
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 4: go to the Hall of Fame with hun retires number.

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Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair. But yeah, David Wright thinks the

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00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: obvious answer, and you know who the next one after

1460
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: him probably is Jape de Grom.

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Speaker 4: I guess a couple more years here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying like he's probably the next most

1463
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: likely guy outside David, Right, and then you have the

1464
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: other ones, right, the other one.

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00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have two more questions now. This one is

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Speaker 4: from g lg dcg dcj D G wait g lg DC.

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Speaker 1: GJ I you had to just smack your keyboard for you,

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00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: so he shout out to you.

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Speaker 4: Guys. Want to make sure everyone's aware of when their

1470
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 4: question is being answer because we're gonna answer every question

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Speaker 4: that comes in the form of five star review as

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Speaker 4: long as this lockout persists and whenever it's not that

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00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 4: much talk about in the season two because we want

1474
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 4: five star reviews. I know you guys want your questions answers.

1475
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 4: This's a good way for us to work with each

1476
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 4: other here. But this question is with potential lefty long

1477
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 4: relief arms already on the team, such as Lukezi and Peterson,

1478
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 4: how much focus should be placed on lefty bullpen arms

1479
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 4: following the departure of Loop. If the Mets missed out

1480
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 4: on Chafin, how should they pivot? Shout out from Union Country?

1481
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 4: You have shout out from Union County, m side, so

1482
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 4: Mountain side, So shout out your brother Westfield neighbor. I

1483
00:58:59,560 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 4: can't read.

1484
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 2: I guess I know what you're gonna say.

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00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I I don't care that much about

1486
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 4: having a lefty in the rotation because it's just it's

1487
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 4: not that meaningful, like the teams are not teams are

1488
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 4: gonna tune every single game, probably for Leati's versus radies.

1489
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 4: But how badly do you want to knock some lefti's

1490
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 4: out of the line. But I don't think it's gonna

1491
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 4: make that much a deal at the end of the year.

1492
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 4: It's cool to have one. It just seems to balance

1493
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 4: you out more, but it's not the end of the day.

1494
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 4: And Lugayz is probably not gonna pitch it all this

1495
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 4: year anyway, Peterson, we don't really know what we're gonna get.

1496
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 4: I'm very into getting a couple left arms out of

1497
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 4: this free agent class, and one lefty I like much

1498
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 4: more than Andrew Chaffin is my guy. Adam Conley. There's

1499
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 4: ninety seven from the left side. Incredible change up. He

1500
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 4: mirrors the fastball in the change up off each other,

1501
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 4: tunnels them really well. They drop an office directions. He's

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00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 4: a guy I'd love to get. I'm gonna talk about

1503
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 4: them more half of as a kind of a joke

1504
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 4: on our guy Woorthy. He's a live show tonight or

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00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 4: it's a future be episode of live show. I don't know.

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00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what it is, but yeah,

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00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: I want Deacmon. He'still available, right, Deacon Deacon's available. I

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00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: like also like Deacmon more than Chafin.

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00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 4: Chaffin is the guy just doesn't really miss as many

1510
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 4: bats as he gets credit for, like in the media.

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00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 4: And he's gonna be much more expensive than both of

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00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 4: those guys. So I think I think that Chafin is

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Speaker 4: kind of a deal like Chaffin's. Like if you're going

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01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 4: to Walmart and you're buying something, you could just go

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01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 4: to Costco and get more of it for less money. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's what Chafin is. So I think that Conley and

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Speaker 4: Deakman are two sneaky arms that could get and two

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Speaker 4: of the best probably free agents. That are available to

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Speaker 4: Met starting wills are also lefties between Rodona Kakuchi. So

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Speaker 4: I think the Mets will finish out this offseason by

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Speaker 4: adding in a few lefties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, deacman, he's a Crones guy like me, taking me

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01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: as colitis, but we're good friends. I want deacmon on

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01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: the Mets. Give me, give me more people that we

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01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: can bring onto this podcast, please, I haven't been able

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01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: to cash in yet.

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Speaker 4: Crones brother, Yeah, the Crones Brother. And we got one

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Speaker 4: more question that came from Guy mcguy for It's pretty

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01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 4: funny name. Hey, dudes, this is the best Mets podcast

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Speaker 4: that I listened to. Well that's great, but maybe just

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Speaker 4: stop listening to the other ones. Then the way that

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01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 4: you both break that information makes it super accessible for

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Speaker 4: the fans that less knowledge about what certain stats mean.

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Speaker 4: That being said, James question for me, I know that

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Speaker 4: you're kind of into pitching. What do you look for

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01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 4: as early predictors of success in struggling pitchers or those

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01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 4: in the minors, isy command or something more? And I

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Speaker 4: think that it kind of depends specifically on the picture,

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Speaker 4: Like you want to see at least a certain level

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Speaker 4: of velocity from guys like I look, when I'm looking

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Speaker 4: at pictures, I look to see that at least their

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01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 4: above league average velocity with the fastball, which is going

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Speaker 4: to between ninety three and ninety four miles an hour.

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Speaker 4: You want to see also that it's a fastball that

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Speaker 4: gets like good active spin on it and has ride.

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Speaker 4: Ride means like it gives it the illusion of rising

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Speaker 4: as it comes with the zone. And that's also guys

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Speaker 4: who don't throw sinkers. Sinkers as a whole other animal,

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Speaker 4: which I'm not really equipped to talk about, And especially

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Speaker 4: with the miners, you really want to look at swing

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01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 4: and miss stuff. Fangrass does a good job of putting

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Speaker 4: a swing strike rates and strikeout rates on minor league pictures,

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Speaker 4: and I just look there a lot because the minor leagues,

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01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 4: like your defense is not gonna be that good. The

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01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 4: parks are always going to be kind of weird. You

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Speaker 4: heard his talk with madd Eddie about the park factor

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01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 4: at a mode of these parks for the cyclones, how

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01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 4: is very bizarre. So you want to make sure that

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Speaker 4: you're looking at a guy who is missing back to

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01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 4: the high degree in the minor leagues, at least much

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01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 4: more than their league average that they're in. And you

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01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 4: also want to look for a guy who has at

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01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 4: least two very legitimate pitchers af they're throwing, or at

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01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 4: least a third pitch that's possibly accessible as a guy

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Speaker 4: who could reach the major leagues with potential.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more like stuff is super important,

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01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: but swinging swinging misses, it's if you're not getting swinging

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01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: misses against guys that Let's be honest, if you're an

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01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: a ball and you're not getting swinging misses, you're not

1570
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: getting swinging missus at major League Baseball less. There's this

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01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: is insane overhaul to what you are as a pitcher

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01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: just because you're playing with majority of guys who aren't

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01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: even gonna make the show in a ball So that's

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01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: why it's like so important to find these guys that

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01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: are able to differentiate themselves from the rest of the

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01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: pack when you're looking at the lower level miners, because

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01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: if you're just like everybody else, well most guys don't

1578
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: make it. You want to be able to different differentiate

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Speaker 1: yourself to a different.

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Speaker 4: Level, definitely, and you'd look more with stuff than command

1581
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 4: of the lower miners, especially with younger pitchers, even the

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01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 4: major leagues because command is something that is much more

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01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 4: easily developed with age and stuff like while you're in

1584
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 4: your prime and your arm is ats strongest and you

1585
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 4: your body's as peak level at lessism, your stuff is

1586
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 4: going to be basically as good as ever been, unless

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01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 4: you're like a unicorn like Charlie moooron or like Jacob

1588
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,040
Speaker 4: the Grime. Like these are the rare cases, though the

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01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 4: general bulk of these pictures, the stuff comes early, and

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01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 4: then you hope that they have this like pitching renaissance,

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01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 4: where like quote unquote, they learn how to pitch rather

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01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 4: than throw, and the command comes with more refined and

1593
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 4: more repeatable mechanics, working more with major league stats and

1594
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 4: smarter people around them. So command is good. You don't

1595
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 4: want to see a guy in the minor leagues just

1596
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 4: walking like six batteries per nine, But then you have

1597
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 4: a guy like Anthony Ghost who was walking like eight

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01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 4: batteries p nine in the major leagues and now converted outfield.

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Speaker 4: There's gonna be a lights out of leader for Cleveland

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Speaker 4: this year. So it's all about stuff, some about velocity,

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01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 4: but it's kind of hard to read that. You gotta

1602
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 4: read through a lost scattering reports to get sense of that,

1603
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 4: and you just want to see guys missing bats. That's

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Speaker 4: how you evaluate young pitchers.

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Speaker 2: Yep. It is really hard to learn to throw ninety

1606
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Speaker 2: nine miles.

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01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: An hour, and it's almost it is not as hard

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01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: to learn how to throw strikes. Absolutely, and that's where

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Speaker 1: a lot of especially the modern pitching evaluation comes from.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's a perfect way for us to

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Speaker 1: wrap up this episode. Here, episode number seventy one of

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Speaker 1: the Mets Up podcast done. We had Matt Eddie on

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01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 1: Baseball America talk prospects, we talked international signings, we talked

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01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: the lockout, we talked about bench coach. We had a

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01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: lot this episode, So thank you guys for hanging around

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Speaker 1: listening with us. Make sure you're following us on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok,

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Speaker 1: YouTube mets Up. We're gonna have the video up on

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Speaker 1: there as we have been recently followed James on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: Google podcast wherever you listen, subscribe, five star rating, review,

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Speaker 1: do it all. That's what we're wrapping it up. Guys,

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening, Thank you for watching. We'sten on

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Speaker 1: episode number seventy two of the Mess Up Podcast.

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Speaker 4: Peace Out, peace out, guys, See you next time. Nice

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Speaker 4: four