1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:00,880 Speaker 1: Can't. 2 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 2: I am six forty. 3 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 3: You're listening to the John Cobelt Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 3: We are on every day from one until four o'clock, 5 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 3: and then after four o'clock you can get the podcast 6 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 3: John Cobelt Show on demand. We've got two ridings of 7 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 3: the Moist Line coming up in the three o'clock hour, 8 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 3: two rounds. At three twenty and three point fifty, we're 9 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 3: going to talk with Royal Oaks and just what did 10 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 3: I call him? How about Royal Oaks? He's the ABC 11 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 3: News legal analyst, Mahmood Khalil. Remember this guy. He was 12 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 3: one of the leaders of the Palestinian protests at Columbia 13 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 3: University who ended up getting arrested and Trump administration was 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 3: trying to figure out a way to deport him even 15 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: though he's a legal US permanent resident. Eventually a judge 16 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: ordered him released and now he's filing a lawsuit. He 17 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: wants twenty million dollars and damages for false arrest, among 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 3: other things. Let's get Royal Oak sign see what this 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: is about. How are you, Royal? 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: I'm doing great. And before we get to that, you 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: know this slight mispronunciation of my name It reminds me 22 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: of the most amazingly funny Instagram post that's going around, 23 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: and I can't tell you about it because this is radio. 24 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: But if anybody's seen it, they'll know what I'm saying. 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: An anchor mispronouncing the name of a guest expert. It's hilarious, 26 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: so maybe you can go. 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: Okay, I gotta look that up. 28 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, it's hilarious. So yeah, this guy, everybody will 29 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: remember him. John he mahome ma mood Khalil. He gets 30 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: see I mispronounced his name. So he's a permanent US resident, 31 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: thirty years old, former Columbia graduate student, and he was 32 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: arrested by ice in March, sent to a hell hole 33 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: of it I used to Attention center in Louisiana for 34 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: one hundred and four days and now he's been released 35 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: and he's suing for twenty million dollars. As you say, 36 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: he's going to sue his father acclaim and the government says, hey, 37 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: a nice tripal, but the statute lets us deport people 38 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: like you, namely you know green card people. He's like Durrord, 39 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: depart due without drinking two bottles of wine a day. 40 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: And if you encourage terrorist activities. So even if it 41 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: sounds like you're just exercising First Amendment rights, if you 42 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 1: are encouraging terrorist activity, if you're endorsing terrorist violence, or 43 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: if you have connections to groups, boom, you're out of here. 44 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: So you know, that's what the Trump administration says. But 45 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: his position is, now, you overreacted and I'd like my 46 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: twenty million dollars please. 47 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 3: What is the state of his case right now? Because 48 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 3: the administration had to let him out of detention, right. 49 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: So it's still ongoing. So he's out of detention, as 50 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: you say, so he's you know, walking around. The immigration 51 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: authorities are proceeding and they're making the case in the 52 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: immigration courts for why he should be deported because his 53 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: rhetoric could inspire extremist behavior. It's a it's a public 54 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: safety risk, and we'll see how they behave Now it's 55 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: a parallel track. On the one hand, the immigration court 56 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: process is going forward. They're trying to bounce him out 57 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: of the court. At the same time, now he's initiating 58 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: a just a civil litigation deal. He claims he's guilty 59 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: of false imprisonment, malicious prosecution, definition, and emotional distress and 60 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: once he satisfies the category. You can't just see right away, 61 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: Federal coven. 62 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 3: His claim isn't going to be settled until we find 63 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: out whether he's getting deported or not. 64 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: I mean, well, that's right. 65 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: So the administration has to take. 66 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: All their charges before a judge, and then the judge 67 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: got to decide whether Killio is debortable. 68 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, although it is a little weirder than that in 69 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: a sense that, as I say, it's kind of parallel tracks. 70 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: The immigration deal will proceed at the same time his 71 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: suit will proceed. Now, maybe the federal judge will say, hey, Mahmoud, 72 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: just cool your jets. Let's see how you do it 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: in the deportation process. And you know, maybe they'll find 74 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: out you're, you know, another iotol or some have bin 75 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: laden right, or maybe the federal judge not to suggest 76 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: a Democrat president appointed a federal judge would be more receptive. 77 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: But you know, it's easy to kind of predict. You 78 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: get conservative rulings out of Republican appointees the liberal rulings 79 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: out of Democrat appointees. As possible, the federal judge will say, no, 80 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: we're not going to wait for that. Kangaru Court Immigration process. 81 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: I'm going to decide right here, right now, I'm a 82 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: federal judge. You had First Amendment rights, and this stuff 83 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: that Trump is peddling about, how all you have to 84 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: do is encourage a terrorist to say nice things about 85 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: them or carry a sign on the campus of Columbia 86 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: and you can't get bounced out of the country for 87 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: that because you do have First Amenda rights even though 88 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: you are a permanent US resident as opposed to a citizen. 89 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: I had read stories that there were some Iranian government 90 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: or Iranian terrorist groups that we're financing these protests and 91 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: helping to organize them throughout America. Like, it's not it's 92 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 3: not an outrageous charge that the Trump administration is making. 93 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 3: That stuff has been going on. 94 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: No, absolutely, it is clear in the statutes that if 95 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: you are not a citizen, you have a less protection 96 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: from the immigration process, less protection in terms of First 97 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: Amendment rights. So basically, we Congress long ago past the 98 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: statute that said if you're doing something as a non 99 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: citizen that basically gives aid and comfort to Terisa. And 100 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: they used to have the old expression, you know, call 101 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: for the violent overthrow of the US government. Well, this 102 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: is sort of a modern version of that people are 103 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: a non citizen. 104 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, people really had in trouble with the concept because 105 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 3: laws have rarely been enforced when it comes to immigration. 106 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 3: But if you have a green card, or if you're 107 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: on a visa, or if you're outright illegal, you don't 108 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 3: don't have the same rights as a US citizen. And 109 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: all these protesters who were screaming and yelling, and I 110 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 3: realized they get paid to do this and to muck 111 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: up the issue. But this is where the journalism. The 112 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 3: journalists fail. It's like, no, you don't have the same 113 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 3: rights as a US citizen, and you're right. 114 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: And that's where we come up against political theater, which 115 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: is what you're describing, and they're going to make Hay 116 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: and you know they're going to have protests as opposed 117 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: to the legal realities. And the reality is that the 118 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: immigration statute makes non citizens deportable if they give material 119 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: support to a terrorist organization like Commas, or if they 120 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: solicit support for a group, or if they encourage terrorist activities. 121 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, the rules are different, and you can argue 122 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: they shouldn't be different, but they are. So that's why 123 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: I think he's going to lose in court, and he's 124 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: going to lose on the immigration side. So both parallel 125 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: tracks are probably going to come together and result in 126 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: him just being bounced out of the country. 127 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: One more quick thing before you go. In New Hampshire 128 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 3: federal judge has blocked the Trump administration. They had Trump 129 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: had written an executive order on birthright citizenship. The idea, 130 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 3: if this has been the law really since the eighteen hundreds, 131 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: you're born on US Land, you're automatically a citizen, even 132 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: if your parents are legal aliens. And they have been 133 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: trying to chisel away at this law for many years. 134 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: And Trump just throughout this executive order. I guess to 135 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: see what happens. So what's this New Hampshire judge decide. 136 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this judge seems to be spitting in the 137 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: idea of the Supreme Court decision of a couple of 138 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: weeks ago, which said, hey, you can't issue a nationwide 139 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: injunction against an executive order. You can only control your 140 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: little federal district. But what he's doing is a workaround. 141 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: If you file a class action where you got just 142 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: a one plaintiff in front of one federal judge, but 143 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: the class action it's certified down the road. Establishes there 144 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: are like millions of people around the entire country that 145 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: are part of this class action. That way you could 146 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: get a nationwide in junct. But the bottom line is 147 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court kicked the can down the road. They 148 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: didn't want to decide a couple of weeks ago. You know, 149 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: is Trump right or is he wrong about birthright citizenship. 150 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: They're going to have to face it probably in a 151 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: year or two after this injunction. You know, inside baseball 152 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: stuff gets worked out, all right. You know, most people 153 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: think it is a birthright citizenship's okay, but we don't 154 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: know what Supreme Court would do. 155 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: It's a murkily written. 156 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: Clause in the Constitution, yes, exactly, throwing a couple of commas, 157 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: and it makes people very confused. All right, Well, thank 158 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: you for coming on, Royal Oaks, No problem, Royal Oaks, 159 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: ABC News Legal analyst. We're giving away one thousand dollars 160 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 3: coming up in a moment. And Uh, also we have 161 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 3: periodically lately told you about how gas prices are going 162 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,599 Speaker 3: to go sky high within the next year and a 163 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: half and maybe a big jump this month. 164 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: Uh. There are now. 165 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 3: More more energy organizations that are confirming that it's true. 166 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: I will explain this to you. 167 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: But there are government agencies now looking at the California's situation, 168 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: and we've got two big refineries closing in the next 169 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 3: year and a half, and they are agreeing that, yeah, 170 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 3: huge increase in gas price is coming. It's it's not hype, 171 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 3: it's not fake news. 172 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 4: And are we going to do something about it? 173 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 3: Are we going to do something about it? You always 174 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 3: pose these impossible questions. 175 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 4: I don't want to pay eight to ten dollars a gallon. 176 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: Oh we'll get it even twelve, twelve or fourteen. 177 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 5: Right, you're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI 178 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 179 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 3: Now there is a federal agency now weighing in on 180 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 3: the idea that California's gas prices could shoot up considerably. 181 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 3: The Energy Information Administration, the EIA, and I checked and 182 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 3: it is the statistical agency of the Department of Energy. 183 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 3: So the federal government has now issued a report saying 184 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 3: that California could lose seventeen percent of its oil refinery 185 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: capacity over the next twelve months. They announced this yesterday. 186 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: In October, Phillips sixty six is going to shut down 187 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 3: its Wilmington Refinery in the LA Area by the fourth 188 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 3: quarter of this year, and this facility processes one hundred 189 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 3: and thirty nine thousand barrels. 190 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 2: Of oil a day. 191 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: In April, the Valero Energy Corporation said it would cease 192 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 3: operations at its Benicia refinery. Is how you say that, 193 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 3: Benithia Benetia refinery up in the Bay Area. The Benetia 194 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 3: refinery processes one hundred and forty five thousand barrels a day, 195 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 3: So between the two you have about two hundred and 196 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 3: eighty five thousand barrels a day of oil that's refined 197 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 3: into gasoline. Wilmington is closing fourth quarter this year, Benetia 198 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 3: is closing in April of next year. So it's less 199 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 3: than a year from now that we're going to lose 200 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: seventeen percent of our oil refining capacity. And the EIA 201 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 3: is saying that this is going to lead to increases 202 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 3: in fuel price volatility on the West coast. Well, that's 203 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 3: a fancy phrase for big price increase. And they said 204 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: California usually has higher retail gas prices. Obviously, a few 205 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 3: weeks ago, the president of Gin Economic consulting man named 206 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 3: Vance Gin called California's high gasoline prices a man made problem, 207 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 3: a case study in government failure, not market failure. This 208 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 3: is similar to what Michael Msche said, the professor from 209 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 3: USC who we've had on the show a number of times. 210 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 3: Miche looked at fifty years of gas prices in California 211 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: and said the same thing. 212 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: It's self inflicted. 213 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 3: It's almost never related to any type of price manipulation, 214 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 3: of price gouging by the oil companies. 215 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: Which is the big lie that I know. 216 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: I'm sounding repetitive, but Gavin Newsom lies so much and 217 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 3: so extensively, and the big lie he's been trying to 218 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 3: sell is is that there's all this price gouging. He 219 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 3: even mandated special session of the legislature where they were 220 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 3: supposed to come up with a bill to somehow fight 221 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: the price gouging. Nothing came of it, you know why, 222 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 3: because they can't find any evidence of price gouging. 223 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 2: It doesn't exist. 224 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 3: The high prices here are because of excessive taxes at 225 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: the pump and also excessive taxes on the refineries, and 226 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: also all these weird mandates like this upcoming low carbon 227 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: fuel standard which is supposed to raise gas prices by 228 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 3: sixty five cents, very very soon. 229 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,599 Speaker 2: It's a lot of it is the. 230 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 3: Obsessive California climate law nonsense, which has no effect on 231 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: the climate. And I don't know why people don't accept 232 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 3: it and understand it, but it has no effect on 233 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 3: the climate none. 234 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: This is merely. 235 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 3: Shipping billions and billions of dollars to the California government, 236 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 3: some of which they're going to spend on high speed rail. 237 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 3: All of a sudden, they've decided they're going to spend 238 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 3: a billion dollars a year on high speed rail, so 239 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 3: you could be whisked from Bakersfield to or said maybe 240 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 3: twenty years down the road going back to vance Gin. 241 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: He blames decades of state taxes, misguided climate mandates, regulatory overreach. 242 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 3: He said the regulatory costs and taxes alone make up 243 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 3: over a dollar thirty per gallon in costs, nearly double 244 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 3: the national average. And California has the highest basic gas 245 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 3: tax in the country, which is sixty eight cents. But 246 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: then there's all these additional fees, environmental surcharges, and then 247 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 3: you have the climate programs, the low carbon fuel standard, 248 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 3: the special blends, and that's why you are paying up 249 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 3: to two bucks of more than any other state, and 250 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: also the EIA, and that's the government agency from the 251 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 3: Energy Department, said that another reason is what they call 252 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 3: a lack of logistical connectivity on the West Coast. Well, 253 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 3: that's a fancy word work. We don't have a pipeline 254 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: that links us to the Gulf Coast. 255 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: A lot of the oil is. 256 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: Shipped from the Gulf to the other I don't know, 257 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 3: forty nine states, or at least forty seven of them 258 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: here in the continental US, but not California. 259 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: We don't have a pipe. By the way, We're. 260 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: Sitting on the fifth largest reserve of oil, but we 261 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 3: don't use it. Gavin Newsom has reduced the number of 262 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: oil drilling permits by ninety seven percent. There are virtually 263 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 3: no there's virtually no oil drilling going on, and yet 264 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 3: we have this massive pool of oil underneath our feet. 265 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: Is this crazy? We have all this oil, we're not 266 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: drilling for it. 267 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 3: We don't have a pipeline that connects us to the 268 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: main supplier of oil geographically, and that's in the Gulf Coast. 269 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 3: And now we're going to be buying oil from far 270 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 3: off countries who are going to ship it by tanker, 271 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 3: which is really expensive and also produces way more pollution 272 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 3: and greenhouse gases. Gavin Newsom maybe the stupidest man I 273 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: have ever known, I've never known to exist. You mentioned 274 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 3: saying all this out. Hey, I got a great idea. 275 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 3: Let's make gas two dollars more than anywhere else. Let's 276 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: not drill into the fifth largest reserve of oil beneath 277 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 3: our land. Let's buy gas from all kinds of crazy 278 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 3: countries that you've never even heard of. And let let 279 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 3: these countries who have no environmental regulations or very few 280 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 3: compared to California, let them drill for the oil, let 281 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 3: them refine it, let's ship it by expensive polluting tankers 282 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: thirty to forty days on the ocean. I mean, I 283 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 3: cannot believe from any standpoint how incredibly stupid it is. 284 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 3: And it just mind boggling, like you want to smash 285 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: your head against the wall. And yet every day these 286 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 3: policies are in effect. Then he lies and blames the 287 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 3: oil companies and the oil kundry said, it's like, do 288 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: you know they're gonna they might shut the old the 289 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: big oil pipeline we do have might be shut down 290 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 3: because there's not enough oil in it. They can't keep 291 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 3: the oil pressure up, and that's why others have been 292 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 3: saying we could be hitting ten dollars a gallon. I 293 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 3: don't know how many more warnings we can give you here. 294 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: We're telling you you just sit there and keep scrolling. 295 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 3: That's okay, don't worry about it. 296 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobel's on demand from KFI AM 297 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 5: six forty. 298 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: We're on every day from one until four, and every 299 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: day just after four o'clock. You can get the podcast version. 300 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 3: It's the same as the radio show, John cobelt Show 301 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 3: on demand also on the iHeart app and Hear What 302 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 3: You missed. Bill Mlusion has been posting on x that 303 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 3: the president of Glasshouse Farms, that would be the pot company, 304 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 3: the marijuana company that got raided by the federal government 305 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 3: yesterday and they found ten child slaves working there in 306 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 3: a to many other illegal aliens. What a place this is. 307 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 3: This apparently was one of the largest pot farms in 308 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 3: the state. There were two locations they went to and 309 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 3: two farms were raided by Ice and Border patrol in 310 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 3: the Camarillo area. 311 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: Well, Millusion has found. 312 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 3: That the president of Glasshouse Farms, his donated ten thousand 313 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 3: dollars to Gavin Newsom back in twenty eighteen. 314 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 2: How about that. 315 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 3: He gave new some ten thousand dollars and in turn 316 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 3: he was allowed to run this huge operation employing hundreds 317 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 3: of illegal aliens and employing ten child slaves. Eight of 318 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 3: the ten were unaccompanied miners. It sounds like I'm making 319 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 3: this up, but I'm not. 320 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: So. 321 00:18:54,520 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 3: Newsom has his name is Kyle Kazan and the goal 322 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 3: of the company is to be the largest cannabis site 323 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 3: in California. Is at a place, has a place in 324 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 3: Carpenteria one of these farms, and another one near Camerio. 325 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 3: And of course somebody pointed out online that California charges 326 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 3: a fifteen percent excise tax on pot and then a 327 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 3: ten percent sales tax. So the pot growers have to 328 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 3: pay fifteen percent of what they grow, and then you 329 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 3: have to pay a ten percent sales tax when you 330 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 3: buy it. Annual retail sales five billion dollars and the 331 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 3: tax is twenty five percent. And then the CEO is 332 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 3: given Dow some ten thousand dollars in campaign contributions. Well 333 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 3: that's a lot of money, I guess. Well, you have 334 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: that much money on the line, both tax money and 335 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 3: campaign contribution money. Then I guess when you hear that 336 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 3: there's child slave labor on the site, you might just 337 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: look the other way, which is what Newsom did you 338 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 3: tell me he didn't know. 339 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure he didn't know. 340 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 3: And then when he's getting called out on it, he's 341 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 3: getting into fights with This is what this little toddler does. 342 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 3: He's getting into fights on x. He's exchanging hate tweets 343 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 3: with people like a little three year old with a 344 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 3: temper tantrum or maybe an eight year old on a playground. 345 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 3: Other kids are calling him names, and it's all like 346 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 3: weird comments and jokes about right wing and conservative and 347 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 3: Fox News and this and that. I've seen some profiles 348 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 3: on him. Apparently he watches cable news constantly, especially Fox, 349 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 3: and that he's constantly talking about the right wing propaganda 350 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 3: machine and bob blah blah blah. But and this is 351 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 3: a common actic used by some politicians to deflect from 352 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 3: the real issue. 353 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 2: You know, a few years. 354 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 3: Ago I noticed it's like, well, that's that's a that's 355 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 3: a Fox News talking point, that's a right wing talking point, 356 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 3: and that was supposed to end the argument it's like, no, really, 357 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 3: there were ten children working as slave laborers on this farm, 358 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 3: and there were two hundred illegal aliens and protesters showed 359 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 3: up and one of them started firing a gun at 360 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 3: the ice agents. 361 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: That's all real, That all really happened. And Newsom gets 362 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 2: in these. 363 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 3: You should you should go to his x account and 364 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 3: go to each post and look at the replies. And 365 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 3: he gets in pissing matches with just regular people if 366 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 3: that's him, unless it's, you know, one of his stupid aids. 367 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: He might have hired a guy to do this, Like, 368 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 3: here's his comeback, right. Somebody posted, well, it was the 369 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 3: Border Patrol Commissioner. Customs and Border Patrol Commissioner Rodney Scott 370 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 3: posted that these are juveniles found in the marijuana facility, 371 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 3: almost all unaccompanied, one as young as fourteen California. Are 372 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 3: you ready to partner with us to stop child exploitation? 373 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 3: That's what Rodney Scott wrote, So he challenged, basically, Newsom, 374 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 3: are you gonna help us with these child slaves that 375 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 3: are being employed? 376 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: You know what, Newsom? You know what. 377 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 3: Newsom's response was, we prosecuted criminals that break child labor laws. 378 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 3: Let me see, let me see if the ceo that 379 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 3: gave him ten thousand dollars is going to prison. And 380 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 3: then he goes you make the kids post for photos, 381 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 3: tear gas them, and promote laws like this, and then 382 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 3: he has four clippings from various news sites about red 383 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 3: states who are rolling back protections on child labor laws. 384 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 3: And they're just four headlines. There's there's no context here, 385 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 3: there's no detail here unless you want to do a search. 386 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 3: But all of that is changing the subject. All that 387 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 3: is not the point. The point is is that you 388 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 3: have child slaves smuggled in across the wide open border 389 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 3: that you supported, and this was going on in your 390 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 3: state and ahead of the company gave you ten thousand 391 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 3: dollars in campaign contributions. And this company twenty five percent 392 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 3: of their twenty five percent of the revenue from their 393 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 3: products ends up being tax money that you spent. And 394 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 3: this tax money, in part is generated by child slave laborers. 395 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 3: And knew some changes the subject and prints a bunch 396 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 3: of headlines about the Arkansas governor Ron DeSantis, Indiana, Iowa. 397 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, no. 398 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: The the child slaves yesterday were found here. When you 399 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 3: when you when you drive up through Ventura County Carpenteria. 400 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 3: You go up the one on one or the one 401 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 3: and you dried by these these farm fields, that's the pot. 402 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 3: And working in the fields are these kids who have 403 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 3: no parents. I heard one of the administry Trump administration 404 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 3: officials say today that there's three hundred thousand kids who 405 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 3: came or were smuggled over the border who gave addresses 406 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 3: and this is all under under Joe Biden gave addresses 407 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 3: to order patrol agents and he said it turned out 408 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 3: virtually all the addresses were fake. And the names of 409 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 3: the adults who were taking these kids into custody, all 410 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 3: those names were fake too. So the drug card tells 411 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:20,239 Speaker 3: helped to smuggle hundreds of thousands of children over the 412 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 3: border who then just disappeared. There's no way to track them. 413 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 3: Fake addresses, fake people who took them into custody. And 414 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 3: now look what we've got. We've got ten of them at 415 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 3: least have been located. And k Newsom spends his day 416 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 3: writing nasty comebacks on Twitter when he's not giving an 417 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 3: incoherent interview to a Tennessee podcaster, or he's not campaigning 418 00:25:50,920 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 3: to swooning women in South Carolina. Yes, yesterday we were 419 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 3: reading out of the La Times. There's one woman who 420 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 3: lost control of her hormones and actually admitted to blacking out. 421 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: As she met Newsoman. Couldn't remember what went on. 422 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 4: Are you jealous? 423 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 3: Nobody faints when they meet me. Yeah, that's never happened. 424 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 3: A Newsom probably faints when he looks in the mirror. 425 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 4: I'm so handsome. 426 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, he must have been the prototype for narcissists. I 427 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 3: have never seen a guy who fits the word narcissist 428 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 3: better than Newsom. 429 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 2: Unbelievable. 430 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,479 Speaker 3: We got clips of Tom Holman coming up after three o'clock, 431 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 3: and we got two rounds of the moist line because yeah, 432 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 3: it got pretty crazy there near camera rio, because all 433 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 3: these paid protesters showed up. And when I say paid, 434 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 3: you know these organizations are partly financed with your taxes. 435 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 3: And then they showed up. One guy was firing a 436 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 3: gun and creating all this mayhem. And I'm thinking, who 437 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 3: is protesting a government agency breaking up a child slave 438 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 3: labor ring? 439 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 2: Why would you? Why would you get upset? 440 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: Or who gets upset that illegal alien pot workers are 441 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 3: being rounded up? Seriously, only if you get paid, Only 442 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 3: if you get paid. I can't imagine there's a there's 443 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 3: anybody who cares either way? 444 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 2: All right, more coming up. 445 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI Am sixty. 446 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 3: John Cobelt Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, and Moistline 447 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 3: is coming up first round and a half an hour. 448 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 3: Moistline is on Fridays, and we have we're loaded with 449 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 3: I don't know, some some anti bass sentiment. 450 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 2: I should say that. 451 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So listen at three twenty and three pot 452 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 3: fifty here on KFI. Hey, Deborah, Deba, Hello, look at this. 453 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 3: She's not paying attention. She's busy. 454 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 4: Sorry, I have read in here right now, and he's 455 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 4: distracting me. 456 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: Tell for it to go. Get a job. 457 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 4: Well, he's going to be filling in for Conway. 458 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 2: Oh good, that was fast. 459 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, he has a job. He has a couple of jobs. 460 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 2: I got this. I got this story partly because of you. Okay. 461 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 4: I'm paying attention. 462 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 2: Because you and I share the same weakness. 463 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 3: We get we get angry and frustrated and self righteous 464 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 3: with customer service, and we actually call customer service and 465 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 3: start fighting with these people. 466 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 4: I'm trying to calm down these days. 467 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: Uh. 468 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: And I found it. 469 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 3: I found a story in the Atlantic magazine which is 470 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 3: quite revealing and really depressing. And the headline that got 471 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 3: my attention that dropped call with customer service it was 472 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 3: on purpose? 473 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? 474 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: No? 475 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 3: This article explains what these companies do on purpose when 476 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 3: you call and complain. And it was written by a 477 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 3: guy named Chris Colin, and it starts with he had 478 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 3: a new Ford escape car and it froze in San Francisco. 479 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 3: It just locked and the brakes died. He couldn't steer 480 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 3: the car and he couldn't stop it, and he almost 481 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 3: went over an embankment. Oh geez, yeah, And he kept 482 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 3: punching all the buttons. 483 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 2: Nothing would work. 484 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 3: He was about to reach for the door handle and 485 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 3: jump out of it before it went over the embankment. 486 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 3: And then suddenly the car drifted to a stop. Maybe 487 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 3: it was starting to go uphill, I don't know, okay, 488 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 3: And then he took it to mechanics, and the mechanics 489 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 3: couldn't figure it out. They don't know where because everything 490 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 3: is in a computer now, right, so there's some glitch 491 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 3: buried in the computer system. And the mechanics said, we 492 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 3: don't have time to search this entire system to figure 493 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 3: it out. Go call forward, ask for you want to 494 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 3: return the car. It's a limit, it's no good and 495 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 3: she he started calling forward and getting those customer service 496 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 3: workers that were familiar with Yes, okay. And it's a 497 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 3: very long story, and I wish I could read the 498 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 3: whole thing that I'm going to get to the part 499 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 3: that I think matters motes. He found a guy who 500 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: wrote a book named Amas Tanuma, and he worked in 501 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 3: the industry for twenty years, running contact call centers around 502 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 3: the world. He worked everywhere from Columbia to the Philippines. 503 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 3: They kept looking for cheaper and cheaper labor and more 504 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 3: and more people that they could order around and tell 505 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 3: what to do. And the people would be so grateful 506 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 3: for the job because they were so poor that they 507 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 3: wouldn't push back. And the whole process of not responding 508 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 3: to your problem is called sludge. It's like sludge coming 509 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 3: up about. 510 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 4: They have this name for it. 511 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, sludge is often intentional. He found he worked in 512 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 3: the business. The goal is to put as much friction 513 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 3: between you and whatever the expensive thing is in this place. 514 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 3: In this case, he thought he ought to get his 515 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 3: car replaced because it's seized up and nobody could fix it. 516 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 6: Okay, that makes perfect sense, But do they so they're 517 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 6: betting on people giving up. 518 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 3: Yes, that's ultimately the whole point. The frontline person when 519 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 3: you call is given as limited information and authority as possible, 520 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 3: and if they if that person transfers you, they suffer 521 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 3: a penalty. 522 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 6: So that's why when I say can I please speak 523 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 6: to your manager? They say, well, let me let me 524 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 6: help you, and I say, well, you're not helping, that's right, 525 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 6: So I want to speak to somebody who's higher than you. 526 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 2: They shall know. 527 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 6: I'm so sorry, but nobody's here. I said, oh, really, 528 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 6: there's no manager here. 529 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 2: No, it's. 530 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 3: If they transfer the call they get a punishment, and 531 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 3: of course they're in a foreign country. God knows what 532 00:31:59,120 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 3: the punishment is. 533 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 2: This guy wrote. 534 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 3: Chris says, I felt like I was talking with someone 535 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 3: who is alarmingly indifferent to my problem. 536 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 4: Oh they all are. 537 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 3: And the author Tanuma says, well, that's called good training. 538 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 3: You turn a human and smooth them into a corporate algorithm. 539 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 3: If you leave humans in their natural state, they start 540 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 3: to care about people and start listening to the nuance 541 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 3: of your problem, and they're less likely to follow the 542 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 3: policy that they've been instructed to carry out. 543 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 4: This is ridiculous. 544 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 3: So the humanity gets trained out of them and the 545 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 3: threat of punishment suppresses it to keep their bosses happy. 546 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 3: According to Tanuma, agents develop tricks if you're If the 547 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 3: average time that you spend on the phone as an 548 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 3: agent starts to creep up too high, you start hanging 549 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 3: up on people to bring it back down. 550 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 6: Okay, but what happens if they ask you for I'm 551 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 6: so sorry, but can I have your phone numbers so 552 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 6: if we get disconnected I can call you back. 553 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 4: They're not supposed to say that either. 554 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: Now. 555 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 3: No, if you have escalated too many times that day, 556 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 3: in other words, you're the worker and you have sent 557 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 3: it to a supervisor too many times, then you're told 558 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 3: to accidentally transfer the caller to the back of the line, 559 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 3: so you're not being sent to a supervisor. You're being 560 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 3: and this has happened, I know to me, it's here, yeah, yeah, 561 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 3: So and that weeds out a certain percentage of callers. 562 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 3: They also use cheap telecommunication carriers, so you have poor connections, 563 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 3: and the contact centers are offshore. There are places like 564 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 3: the Philippines, so a lot of these calls disconnect on 565 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 3: their own. And here's the way the bosses lay down 566 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 3: the law. The boss will come in and say, you know, 567 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 3: we spent a million dollars in credits last month. In 568 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,479 Speaker 3: other words, they gave credits to customers for one thing 569 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 3: or another. That needs to come down to seven hundred 570 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars, and that becomes the new edict. Okay, 571 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 3: we got to cut twenty five percent of the credits 572 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 3: we give out. And so the agent answering the phone, 573 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 3: the pressure is, well, don't give this person a credit, 574 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 3: hang up, put them in the back of the line. 575 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 4: I'm so angry. 576 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, because this has completely happened to me. I guarantee it, 577 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 6: and you it, Yes, but I call back. The thing is, 578 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 6: if I get disconnected, I called right back. If I 579 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 6: don't like who I'm talking to and they don't, they 580 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 6: don't transfer me to a manager. 581 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 4: I sometimes hang up on them and then I call back. 582 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 2: Well, see, the thing is, you're just jumping back into 583 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 2: the same. 584 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 4: Sledge I know, and I don't like it. 585 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 3: They'll pay the same routine. They won't listen to you, 586 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 3: they'll patronize you, they won't transfer you you'll end up 587 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 3: hung up on or put to. 588 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 2: The back of the line. 589 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 4: Well, I can be put. 590 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 6: But they're in the Philippines in you're here, I know, 591 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 6: but you know, I do say, okay, you know what, 592 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 6: can you please transfer me to somebody in the United States? 593 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you don't know if you if they are 594 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 2: doing that. 595 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 6: I sometimes they do because I'm such a pain, and 596 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 6: then you know what they want to get rid of me? 597 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 2: No? Really, yeah, I know, yeah, I know the things 598 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 2: I've discovered over time. 599 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 4: You have corrupted me. 600 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 6: Yes, I've been working on your show far too long, 601 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 6: and all my niceness is gone because of you. 602 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 2: I have revealed you. No, you've corrupted me. 603 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 4: I was a lot nicer when I started. 604 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 3: I'm sure twenty years ago you were harassing these customer 605 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 3: service reps. 606 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 2: Yes, I was, that's right. Okay. 607 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 6: They're very irritating and when they repeat okay, you and 608 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 6: I have talked about this. But when they repeat things, 609 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 6: if they say, oh, I'm so I'm so sorry that 610 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 6: you're having a bad day, or I'm so sorry that 611 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 6: you're unhappy, or whatever they do that they repeat it, 612 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 6: I say to them, please stop repeating what I'm saying, 613 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 6: and just help me and. 614 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 2: Stop the pology. 615 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 3: I start screaming at them when they when they start apologizing, 616 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 3: I go, you're not sorry. 617 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 2: That's what it says in front of you. You're reading it. 618 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 2: You're not sorry. You don't care. 619 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 6: Yes, we should tag team the next time we ever 620 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 6: call it sleep. 621 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 2: They would track us down. Oh they would. 622 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 4: We're so bad. 623 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 3: All right, we come back. Tom Holman went on a 624 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 3: couple of broadcasts and he is angry about what was 625 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 3: going on at the pot farm here in California yesterday, 626 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 3: and he's blaming it on a Democratic politicians who are 627 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 3: calling these Ice agents Nazis. And now, for the second 628 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 3: time this week, there's been an attempted shooting of the agents. 629 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 2: There was up in. 630 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 3: Camera real We'll play some of his clips coming up. 631 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 3: Two rounds of the moistline. That's all I had Debra 632 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 3: Mark live in the KFI twenty four hour newsroom. 633 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 2: Hey, you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. 634 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 3: You can always hear the show live on KFI Am 635 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 3: six forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday, 636 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 3: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.