WEBVTT - Episode 13: Temperature, Humidity & Altitude 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:01.240 The guys from Ping. 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:03.880 They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.000 I just love that I can hit any shot I 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:07.640 kind of want. We're gonna be able to tell some 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:09.920 fun stories about what goes on here to help golfers 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:10.640 play better golf. 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.120 Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:16.680 Bak and joined as always by Marty Jerts and Marty. 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.279 I need your help, my man, I need a little 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:25.000 bit of help here. I find myself headed to a 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.240 golf championship, not a golf tournament that I've never been 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:31.520 a part of before I qualified for the US Amateur 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.879 headed out there this weekend for this bad boy to 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:39.320 start next week. It's in Colorado, Marty, and you're the 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:40.440 guy that. 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:41.360 Knows the stuff. 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.720 So what do I need to know about Colorado golf, 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:49.440 specifically altitude golf? Going to Colorado because I gotta get 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.919 all like I gotta get my numbers all correct. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:56.360 You gotta get dial Shane. Well, I got good news. 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:58.959 I got a little experience with this, and we got 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.680 some tools that can help you with this. And we 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.080 have your numbers from the Proving Grounds so we can 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:06.959 help you out. We can help you out. Now. I 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:11.919 know you like to keep your yardage books simple but simple. 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.280 You can get as detailed as you want here, or 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.600 we can help you with some general things that can 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.600 help you out. But I got some really good news 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:22.920 for you about playing golf in Colorado. 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:25.200 All right, So you're a guy that spent a lot 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.640 of time in Colorado. Obviously, now you live in Arizona. 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.039 There's altitude in Arizona as well. Ball goes pretty deep. 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:31.800 I think I don't know if a lot of that 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:36.039 is heat or altitude or whatever. But when you go 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.000 to Colorado, I mean, what are we? Are we a 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:40.039 club longer? 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:42.000 Like? What is kind of the thought process there? 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:44.560 Yeah? So I think you nailed it. Which you come 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:46.759 to Arizona and then it's hot and the ball goes far. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:48.680 And then you go to high altitude and the ball 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:53.280 goes far. So what's going on? So when you increase temperature, 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:57.080 you're going to lower the air density, right, okay, And 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.720 when you increase altitude, when you go up in altitude, 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:04.640 there's less atmosphere pushing down, so you also have less 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:10.160 air density. So the same causal physics reason occurs when 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.960 you have higher temperature and higher altitude, So you're gonna 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.760 you're gonna carry the ball further. But the thing that's 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:20.120 not as obvious to most players is that you also 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:22.840 hit the ball lower. Okay, so when you go to 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.680 high altitude, you're gonna hit the ball lower in the air. 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.120 That's it. This kind of a weird thing, like your 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.399 brain might be struggling with that, like if I'm hitting 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.639 it further or I heard I should launch it high 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.280 or something when you go to high altitude. But naturally speaking, 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:40.399 this is why runways are longer in Denver and they're 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.200 very short in San Diego. Right, you can you can 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:47.040 stop the plane quicker because you have higher air density. Okay, 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.160 so you're gonna hit it further and lower. But the 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.040 other good news Shane, for you is going to Colorado, 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.840 is that the ball also goes straighter when you're playing 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:00.200 high altitude. Yes, it also goes straighter for the same 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:04.800 reason that it goes lower. It also flies straighter. So 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.800 your little cut you hit down there off the tee 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:12.200 is gonna be cutting a little bit less. But the 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:17.160 fairways that maybe a cherry that are forty yards wide, 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.440 they'll pay as if they're fifty yards wide. So that 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.240 is the very good news. You can get out on 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.120 one of those tea's. They're grown rough in fairways, look 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:26.919 a little bit tighter maybe than you've been used to 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:29.359 because you're in a championship. Now, that's right, I know 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.959 how the USGA does it. Uh, don't be intimidated. They're 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.920 gonna play wider than they appear up at altitude. 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.840 All right, so the ball is gonna go longer, I'm 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.840 gonna I'm gonna hit it in theory straighter, but it 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:47.160 doesn't go as high. So how do I calculate kind 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.600 of all those variables into what club would make the 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:52.880 most sense. So let's just go with a stock number 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.760 of mine, right, I mean, let's say Mitteine iron stock 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:59.200 is somewhere between one sixty one sixty five. What was 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:00.000 the number I sent you? 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:02.440 Yeah it was let me pull it up. You're nine 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:03.160 iron stock. 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.920 Oh we're sharing a screen. By the way, go on YouTube, 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.160 because Marty's got all this stuff. He's got like a 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.760 beautiful little sheet. I'm gonna print this out and put 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.720 it in my yardage book. This is a great YouTube episode. 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:14.360 Go ahead, Marty. 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.080 Yeah, this is a YouTube episode. So Shane, hey, we 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.320 have your numbers here when you got fit at the 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.640 Pink Proving Grounds, and we plug them into a little 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.600 app that we have. So you're nine iron, you said, 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:28.279 one sixty. Yep, okay, So we made this sheet. This 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.360 sheet is specific to you, specific to the PROB one 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.160 X ball. I'm asson you're gonna continue to play that 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.719 next week when you go to Cherry Hills, right, And 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.200 this says, okay, these are your normal numbers that you've 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:42.480 been playing your golf at sea level about seventy five degrees. 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:48.760 We're gonna transfer that to Denver at eighty five degrees. 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.200 And how are you going to use that number you 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:54.000 normally hearr nine iron, one sixty. You're gonna go up here, 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.080 and you can do this very quickly. If you print 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:57.679 this out, we'll send it to you in a format 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.599 that they go write in your book. And you're gonna 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.400 go right here to between one fifty and one seventy five. 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.279 If you hit your stock nine iron and it's eighty 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.000 five degrees, it's gonna play sixteen yards shorter there. 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:09.440 Wow. 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.080 Okay, so you got to trust that this is what 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.160 it takes some notes in your practice round. So if 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.320 you get there and you're like, Okay, I'm one seventy six. 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:21.400 What club do I hit? Uh, that's a perfect kind 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.320 of stock nine iron. So what I would do is 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.000 take some notes in your practice round. Make sure these 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.119 numbers are working pretty good. If they're off, they're gonna 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.200 be off by just the tiny little mound, and you 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.000 can make some little notes there if you need to. 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.279 Marty, when you go to altitude, when you go to 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.360 Colorado play in like a Colorado Open or something like that. Yeah, 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.520 is it hard for you to, let's call it, trick 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.400 your brain into believing the number or the club, because 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.360 you know, if you're a guy that you know, I 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:48.200 mean you're seven iron? 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:48.600 What is it? 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:50.520 I mean your seven irons probably stock what like one 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:52.080 eighty two, one eighty. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.279 We're almost exactly the same on Ie'm one eighty five 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.239 in my book, exactly one eighty five. 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.239 Okay, so so you're you're one eighty five in your book. 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.440 So and so I mean, if we're using this number, 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.720 let's say one eighty five, you know it's nineteen yards 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:07.040 down if it's eighty five degrees, So now what is that? 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.280 It's basically two oh four is your seven horn? 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.359 How are you I mean, do you ever struggle at 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.640 all with understanding or at least believing that's the actual number. 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.320 I think that's where the practice rounds are super helpful. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.960 Shan and I've used literally this exact sheet when I 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:24.839 played in the Caller I Open the last couple of years, 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.320 and it has been absolutely perfect for me. I love 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.560 having that one number. We talked about think Box Playbox before, 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.599 where it's like, oh, you got all these numbers in 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:35.400 your head, how do you actually hit the shot without 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.200 being paralyzed? I love having that one number in my head. 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.040 I do all the little math. I need to pitch 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:41.400 it here, I need a land to here. I'm gonna 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.680 aim it a little bit over here. It's the plays 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.240 like's gonna be this. Some of those Colorado Open shehades 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.600 I've played has been really hot, and you can see 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.240 that we actually have numbers here if you're looking at 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.159 the laser pointer, if it's nearing one hundred degrees. I'mn't 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.360 looked at the forecast for next week, but it can 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.200 get that hot occasionally it could actually play up to 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.920 twenty yards or twenty one, twenty two yards. Further, I've 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.880 actually loved calculating this and then having that number in 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:08.560 my head, Okay, I'm gonna try to hit the one 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.600 eighty two seven iron right, and that actually can give 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.880 you a lot of comfort instead as at one club 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.280 or is it two right? It's a lot less kind 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:22.840 of precise from a psychology standpoint in my experience. 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.600 So for people that aren't watching on YouTube, what I 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.440 find really interesting with this chart is we've talked about 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.560 seven iron, you know, nine irons. What I find interesting 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:35.680 is you think the numbers would jump substantially with the 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.680 driver of three would but they're not that much different 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.559 than say a nine iron or seven iron in terms 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.400 of what you're going to gain. I'm assuming that's because 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:45.760 the ball's gonna fly a little lower. 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.920 Yeah, So this is a big thing that I think 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:51.440 a lot of people like to use a percentage. And 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.240 this is where Shane, you're gonna have a little advantage 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.800 over your competitors. Here we go, unless they listen to 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.520 this pod. But these numbers are specific to you. Yes, 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.720 it's a little bit more of a constant than what 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.000 you would think is like, hey, it's a percentage, So 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.480 the driver's gonna keep going up further, The forun is 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.040 gonna keep going up further. One of the big reasons 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.400 for that, especially when you look at that two hundred 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.920 to two fifty range, which is your long irons, is 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.960 because the ball is also flying lower, so you get, yes, 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.200 it's gonna go further, but then it's also gonna fly 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.440 a little bit lower, so the aerodynamics is kind of 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.320 doing its thing in that part. So you know, one 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.240 way you could use this, Shane, if you didn't want 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.520 to look up these exact numbers, you could be, Okay, hey, 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.960 my lob wedge sand wedge is going to be ten yards. 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.679 You know, maybe my short irons are gonna be fifteen. 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:39.960 If you want to average thirteen and sixteen here in 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.240 that one thirty to one seventy five range, and then 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:47.160 anything from you know, one seventy five and up is 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.520 gonna be that twenty yard range. So if you wanted 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.480 to simplify it, you could I personally like going to 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.000 the sub yard accuracy here and kind of leaning into that, 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:56.920 But it's gonna be up to you. This is gonna 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.640 be fun to kind of practice with in your practice rounds, Marty. 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:00.839 Can anybody do this? 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.040 I mean, I obviously you've put the sheet together for 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.440 me can anybody put this together if they were going 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.959 to go play competitive golf somewhere where it's going to 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.000 look a little bit different than where they're used to playing. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:13.760 Not quite yet, Shane, You're getting a little bit of 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:14.360 a white. 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:15.600 Glove treatment on this one, don't we go. 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.520 But we are going to productize this into a solution. 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:21.760 You can kind of see. We have balnamic on this, 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.840 and so we do have plans to at some point. 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.320 Can't promise the time frame yet. I wish I could. 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.520 We will have this exact same solution, and it will 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.960 be done in a way similar to copiloting and some 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:35.920 of these other tools that we've built, where you could 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.920 take a couple very simple numbers from your launch monitor. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.559 That's what we've done here. We had your driver numbers, 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.240 we had your seven iron stock numbers from when you 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.439 were fitted the proving ground, just like you could get 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.840 any of our accounts. Plug it in, plug in a 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:52.240 few key pieces of information like your stock yardages, which 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.040 you knew where you typically play golf, and that's where 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.680 you can generate that plays like So we hope to 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.319 make this available. I think there's a couple cool use 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.200 cases to this one. At the top part, which is 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.000 gonna be your primary use case is Okay, you know 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.800 how much shorter is the ball going to carry in 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.520 the air? Then down at the bottom this is more handy. 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.120 This will will definitely be handy for you in Denver, 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.840 and we could talk about that, but for your daily 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.280 play is also how much is the wind going to 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.760 affect my ballflight? One of the very interesting things about 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.840 playing golf in Denver, because the air is not as dense, 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.400 is the wind is going to affect your ball less 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.560 than at sea level. Okay, so if we if we 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.440 compare these numbers, and for those of you that aren't 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.440 watching visually here, you're gonna want to go back and 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.840 tune into it. But we have a chart that shows 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:48.280 for Shane five ten, fifteen, twenty twenty five miles an 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:52.560 hour of herting wind versus that same amount of helping wind. 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.760 What is the impact on his carry distance for hurting 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:00.839 and helping winds? And I'm gonna show an interesting comparison here. 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.400 Let's zoom into a number. Let's say you're one hundred 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.880 and eighty yards out, so we're gonna zoom into this 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:10.000 range and you have fifteen miles an hour of herding 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:13.960 wind that's gonna hurt you twenty two yards. I'm gonna 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:18.079 toggle to a sea level chart we made for you, okay, 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.280 and now that number went to twenty eight so you 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:25.760 can see at higher altitude, you can see. I'm gonna 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.560 toggle back and forth, and you can see all of 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:32.400 those numbers really scale down in Denver as compared to 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:36.360 sea level. So the wind's gonna affect your ball roughly 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.360 fifty percent less. Kind of depends on the specific club 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.640 and conditions and things of that nature. But that's something 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.240 else to keep in mind, and you can kind of 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.839 you can either know that and put that in your 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.760 golf i Q Shane, or you can get really down 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.160 the nitty gritty and throw an actual number at it 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:54.080 next week if you want to. 0:11:54.679 --> 0:12:00.040 Marty, what's the biggest misconception with altitude and wind and 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.560 and kind of all these variables that golfers talk about 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.360 or think about a lot? Because when I talk to 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.319 you about this stuff, I mean you're so. 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.800 Dialed on it. I feel like you know exactly. 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.839 And I mean I think one hundred percent you know 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:13.840 what's going to happen to a golf ball depending on 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.040 the variables what's something that we feel like we as 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:18.280 golfers get wrong a lot. 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.600 I think that a helping win and a hurting wind 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:24.160 can be kind of equal, right. I think that's one 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.160 of the big things that if you weren't down into 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.240 the weeds like I am, or some of us into 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.160 the testing their dynamic side, you might think that a 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.679 helping wind in a hurting wind might give you that 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.199 same magnitude of effect. But as we can see here 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:41.439 on your chart, the hurting wind hurts you more than 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:46.720 the helping wind helps you. And you're a high speed 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:51.120 tour maybe above tour average speed, you generate ample amount 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:55.360 of spin, so your numbers are even closer to equal 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:57.600 for hurting wind and helping win. If we look at 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.240 some of our slower swing speed players, which would be 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:04.199 your typical golfer out there, there's a lot of scenarios 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.720 where that helping wind can actually hurt their carry distance. 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.520 And we've made some of these sheets here Shane, for 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.800 a few of our LPGA tour players, and we get 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.840 down into that two hundred to two fifty range or 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.040 even that one seventy five to two hundred range that 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:24.960 we're looking at here, and the helping wind actually hurts 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:28.960 their carry distance, and then they think back in their 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.760 brain they go, oh, yeah, I remember when I was 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.920 between clubs, needed to carry a bunker switch to the 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.480 five iron instead of the six. The ball kind of 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:39.320 looked like it fell out of there. I thought I 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.040 was taking the more conservative play to carry the trouble, 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.280 but I hit it way shorter with that down wind scenario. 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.680 So I think that's one of them. Is that hurting 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.440 and helping wind? Marty? 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.439 Do you mess around with driver lofts when you go 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.640 to high altitude spots? I mean, I'm not going to 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.600 do this because you know I have kind of my setup, 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.920 But have you messed around with that at all, added 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.480 a different type of wood, or you know, gone seven 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:04.880 wood over three wood, things like that. 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.520 Yes, I think the driver loft is a very important 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.880 one and we can actually use I'm gonna share my 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:12.800 screen again. 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.000 Shane, sharing all the screens. I love it. 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.880 Look at this. We're gonna jump right into Pinco Pilot, 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.560 which all of our accounts have access to, and I 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.840 have your exact numbers, and I have good news for 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.240 you on this, Shane, because with your particular launch conditions, 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.160 I think you're right, you might not need to tweak 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.800 your lost Okay, but I'm going to talk about why 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:38.200 that's different for different players, including me. My delivery conditions 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.760 and my spin range is a in a window such 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.080 that I actually did when I go play the call 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.400 Red Open, or if I go play golf in Flagstaff, 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.160 I do have to change my driver loft. Okay, And 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:51.800 I'm gonna run your numbers here. So we got a 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:56.120 driver measure on track, man, So we have radar here. 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.880 Let's call it moderate fairway conditions one seventy seven balls, 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.880 eight and a half degrees of launch, twenty nine to 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.480 fifty spin. Now, a lot of listeners out there might 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.800 be thinking, why can't you get Shane more dialed in 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.520 with this spin that seems high? Well, guess what your 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:15.680 stock little chip cut down there. You're hitting down about 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.080 three degrees. Three three and a half degrees is what 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:21.480 we measured you at. Okay. So the more you hit 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:25.960 down on the ball, the higher your optimal backspin. So 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.520 that is totally fine. So we're gonna run this through 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.560 this tool that we have launch efficiency, and I'm gonna 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.600 run this Shane first at sea level, So I'm gonna 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:38.280 put in eighty five degrees in sea level. I get 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.840 launch efficiency. This is doing all kinds of compute on 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.680 the back end, all kinds of virtual simulations, kind of 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:49.360 like AI, to tell you what you should do in 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:53.080 your launch conditions to get totally dialed. And as we did, 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.440 we use this tool. When you're at the proven grounds, 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.640 you were pretty much perfect. This is saying this is 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.440 a great fit. This is what co pilot is saying. 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.680 You're within a half a degree of absolutely perfect and 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.760 one hundred degrees of our one hundred RPMs of spin 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.320 of absolute perfection from a fitting standpoint, So you can't 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.880 really eke out at any more distance there because we 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.360 got you dialed in. Now, let's say you hit that 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:21.240 same shot in Denver. So I'm gonna pump the altitude 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:26.000 up to fifty seven fifty and say get launch efficiency. 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:32.160 And now you've moved down a little on that optimal window. Gotcha, 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:36.840 you're gonna be living right at the bottom threshold of optimal. 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.760 And you know this might seem crazy to some folks 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.640 out there. The spin rate recommendation it says for you 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:48.200 is three three hundred RPMs. So here we are ping. 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:53.480 We're saying your optimal spin. At altitude, your optimal launch 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:55.480 is nine to five and your optimal spin is thirty 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.400 three hundred. That may sound pretty wild to people, but 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.120 that's because of how you're angle of attack. And then 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.679 at altitude, because the ball is gonna fly lower, we 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.120 need a little more launch and a little more spin 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.600 to keep that ball in the air. That being said, Shane, 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.520 I think because you generate ample spin, it's gonna be 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:17.480 warm next week in Denver. Most likely your driver as 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.840 is is still gonna be really good for you there 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:21.520 at altitude. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:23.639 Okay, since I got you here, Marty, I got a 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.040 couple other questions. I just got a couple of basic 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.280 kind of golf a questions that I've always been interested in. 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.160 I want to start here with wedges, and I want 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.679 to start with down wind wedges because I. 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.280 Feel like, yeah, this is the most. 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:40.399 Perplexing thing that golfers deal with on a week to 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:44.399 week basis. Why is it that the wind's whipping behind 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.080 me let's say ten to twelve miles per hour and 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:48.959 I feel like, all right, it's a sandwich, but I'm 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:50.520 gonna hit my lab wedge because there's a lot of 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.920 wind behind me. Why does it feel like the ball 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:54.679 falls out of the sky and I still hit that 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:56.679 shot short of the green more often than not. 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.760 Yeah, Oh man, I can sense you have some some 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:06.399 skeletons in the closet on this show everywhere, so have you, Shane? 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.040 You probably know this from your Saint Andrews days. Okay, 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.600 let's say you're hitting a pit shot around the green, 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.640 like a high lob type shot, and it's you're literally 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:18.800 only need to carry it ten or fifteen yards, but 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.199 the wind's blown thirty miles an hour left. Right. If 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.280 you ever hit that shot and then the wind like 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.560 literally blows it like five yards, is just kind of 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:31.280 like that pitch shot. You're like the wind affected the 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.840 pitch shot more than my approach shot. You know why 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:38.120 is that? It's pretty interesting? So I think the phenomena 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.200 that's happening, and my callague doctor Eric Hendrickson, we got 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.600 to have them on to talk about the exact microphysics 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:48.959 of what's going on here. But there's a in aerodynamics 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.119 sometimes there's like these we call them binary They're like 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:57.120 switches that go off and on effects from an aerodynamic standpoint, 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:01.600 So let's say you're hitting a lobwey a fifty yard 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:05.840 loguage sixty yard lobguage, where that ball speed is only 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.760 going to be like fifty sixty seventy miles an hour. 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.920 So you got fifty sixty seventy miles an hour, it's 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.080 call it sixty miles an hour. Then you got let's say, 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:18.040 twenty miles an hour of down windy. So the net 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.080 that the golf ball is seeing when it's spinning is 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:26.040 only forty So there's a speed threshold where the speed 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:31.280 is so low you're not getting that kind of turbulence 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.760 around the ball that gives it its lift force. And 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:36.720 the lift force is kind of like what keeps the 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.959 plane in the air. Okay, So if you're not getting 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:44.119 that lift force because the net speed the ball speed 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.879