1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:01,240 Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. 2 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 2: They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters. 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: I just love that I can hit any shot I 4 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: kind of want. We're gonna be able to tell some 5 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: fun stories about what goes on here to help golfers 6 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: play better golf. 7 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane 8 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 3: Bak and joined as always by Marty Jerts and Marty. 9 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 3: I need your help, my man, I need a little 10 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 3: bit of help here. I find myself headed to a 11 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: golf championship, not a golf tournament that I've never been 12 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 3: a part of before I qualified for the US Amateur 13 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 3: headed out there this weekend for this bad boy to 14 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 3: start next week. It's in Colorado, Marty, and you're the 15 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: guy that. 16 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: Knows the stuff. 17 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 3: So what do I need to know about Colorado golf, 18 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: specifically altitude golf? Going to Colorado because I gotta get 19 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 3: all like I gotta get my numbers all correct. 20 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: You gotta get dial Shane. Well, I got good news. 21 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,959 Speaker 1: I got a little experience with this, and we got 22 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: some tools that can help you with this. And we 23 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: have your numbers from the Proving Grounds so we can 24 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: help you out. We can help you out. Now. I 25 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,919 Speaker 1: know you like to keep your yardage books simple but simple. 26 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: You can get as detailed as you want here, or 27 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: we can help you with some general things that can 28 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: help you out. But I got some really good news 29 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: for you about playing golf in Colorado. 30 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: All right, So you're a guy that spent a lot 31 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 3: of time in Colorado. Obviously, now you live in Arizona. 32 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 3: There's altitude in Arizona as well. Ball goes pretty deep. 33 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: I think I don't know if a lot of that 34 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 3: is heat or altitude or whatever. But when you go 35 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 3: to Colorado, I mean, what are we? Are we a 36 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 3: club longer? 37 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: Like? What is kind of the thought process there? 38 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? So I think you nailed it. Which you come 39 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: to Arizona and then it's hot and the ball goes far. 40 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: And then you go to high altitude and the ball 41 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: goes far. So what's going on? So when you increase temperature, 42 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: you're going to lower the air density, right, okay, And 43 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: when you increase altitude, when you go up in altitude, 44 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: there's less atmosphere pushing down, so you also have less 45 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: air density. So the same causal physics reason occurs when 46 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: you have higher temperature and higher altitude, So you're gonna 47 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna carry the ball further. But the thing that's 48 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: not as obvious to most players is that you also 49 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: hit the ball lower. Okay, so when you go to 50 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: high altitude, you're gonna hit the ball lower in the air. 51 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: That's it. This kind of a weird thing, like your 52 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 1: brain might be struggling with that, like if I'm hitting 53 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: it further or I heard I should launch it high 54 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: or something when you go to high altitude. But naturally speaking, 55 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 1: this is why runways are longer in Denver and they're 56 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: very short in San Diego. Right, you can you can 57 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: stop the plane quicker because you have higher air density. Okay, 58 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: so you're gonna hit it further and lower. But the 59 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: other good news Shane, for you is going to Colorado, 60 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: is that the ball also goes straighter when you're playing 61 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: high altitude. Yes, it also goes straighter for the same 62 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: reason that it goes lower. It also flies straighter. So 63 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: your little cut you hit down there off the tee 64 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: is gonna be cutting a little bit less. But the 65 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: fairways that maybe a cherry that are forty yards wide, 66 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: they'll pay as if they're fifty yards wide. So that 67 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: is the very good news. You can get out on 68 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: one of those tea's. They're grown rough in fairways, look 69 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: a little bit tighter maybe than you've been used to 70 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: because you're in a championship. Now, that's right, I know 71 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: how the USGA does it. Uh, don't be intimidated. They're 72 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: gonna play wider than they appear up at altitude. 73 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: All right, so the ball is gonna go longer, I'm 74 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna hit it in theory straighter, but it 75 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: doesn't go as high. So how do I calculate kind 76 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: of all those variables into what club would make the 77 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 3: most sense. So let's just go with a stock number 78 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: of mine, right, I mean, let's say Mitteine iron stock 79 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: is somewhere between one sixty one sixty five. What was 80 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: the number I sent you? 81 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: Yeah it was let me pull it up. You're nine 82 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: iron stock. 83 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: Oh we're sharing a screen. By the way, go on YouTube, 84 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 3: because Marty's got all this stuff. He's got like a 85 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 3: beautiful little sheet. I'm gonna print this out and put 86 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: it in my yardage book. This is a great YouTube episode. 87 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: Go ahead, Marty. 88 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a YouTube episode. So Shane, hey, we 89 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: have your numbers here when you got fit at the 90 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: Pink Proving Grounds, and we plug them into a little 91 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: app that we have. So you're nine iron, you said, 92 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: one sixty. Yep, okay, So we made this sheet. This 93 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: sheet is specific to you, specific to the PROB one 94 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: X ball. I'm asson you're gonna continue to play that 95 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: next week when you go to Cherry Hills, right, And 96 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: this says, okay, these are your normal numbers that you've 97 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: been playing your golf at sea level about seventy five degrees. 98 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna transfer that to Denver at eighty five degrees. 99 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: And how are you going to use that number you 100 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: normally hearr nine iron, one sixty. You're gonna go up here, 101 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: and you can do this very quickly. If you print 102 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 1: this out, we'll send it to you in a format 103 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: that they go write in your book. And you're gonna 104 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: go right here to between one fifty and one seventy five. 105 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: If you hit your stock nine iron and it's eighty 106 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: five degrees, it's gonna play sixteen yards shorter there. 107 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: Wow. 108 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: Okay, so you got to trust that this is what 109 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: it takes some notes in your practice round. So if 110 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: you get there and you're like, Okay, I'm one seventy six. 111 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: What club do I hit? Uh, that's a perfect kind 112 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: of stock nine iron. So what I would do is 113 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: take some notes in your practice round. Make sure these 114 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,119 Speaker 1: numbers are working pretty good. If they're off, they're gonna 115 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: be off by just the tiny little mound, and you 116 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: can make some little notes there if you need to. 117 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 3: Marty, when you go to altitude, when you go to 118 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 3: Colorado play in like a Colorado Open or something like that. Yeah, 119 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 3: is it hard for you to, let's call it, trick 120 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: your brain into believing the number or the club, because 121 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 3: you know, if you're a guy that you know, I 122 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: mean you're seven iron? 123 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 2: What is it? 124 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 3: I mean your seven irons probably stock what like one 125 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: eighty two, one eighty. 126 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: We're almost exactly the same on Ie'm one eighty five 127 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,239 Speaker 1: in my book, exactly one eighty five. 128 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,239 Speaker 2: Okay, so so you're you're one eighty five in your book. 129 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: So and so I mean, if we're using this number, 130 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 3: let's say one eighty five, you know it's nineteen yards 131 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 3: down if it's eighty five degrees, So now what is that? 132 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 2: It's basically two oh four is your seven horn? 133 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 3: How are you I mean, do you ever struggle at 134 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 3: all with understanding or at least believing that's the actual number. 135 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: I think that's where the practice rounds are super helpful. 136 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: Shan and I've used literally this exact sheet when I 137 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: played in the Caller I Open the last couple of years, 138 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: and it has been absolutely perfect for me. I love 139 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: having that one number. We talked about think Box Playbox before, 140 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, you got all these numbers in 141 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: your head, how do you actually hit the shot without 142 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: being paralyzed? I love having that one number in my head. 143 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: I do all the little math. I need to pitch 144 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: it here, I need a land to here. I'm gonna 145 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: aim it a little bit over here. It's the plays 146 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: like's gonna be this. Some of those Colorado Open shehades 147 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: I've played has been really hot, and you can see 148 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: that we actually have numbers here if you're looking at 149 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: the laser pointer, if it's nearing one hundred degrees. I'mn't 150 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: looked at the forecast for next week, but it can 151 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: get that hot occasionally it could actually play up to 152 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: twenty yards or twenty one, twenty two yards. Further, I've 153 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: actually loved calculating this and then having that number in 154 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: my head, Okay, I'm gonna try to hit the one 155 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: eighty two seven iron right, and that actually can give 156 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: you a lot of comfort instead as at one club 157 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: or is it two right? It's a lot less kind 158 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: of precise from a psychology standpoint in my experience. 159 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: So for people that aren't watching on YouTube, what I 160 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 3: find really interesting with this chart is we've talked about 161 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 3: seven iron, you know, nine irons. What I find interesting 162 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: is you think the numbers would jump substantially with the 163 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 3: driver of three would but they're not that much different 164 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,559 Speaker 3: than say a nine iron or seven iron in terms 165 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: of what you're going to gain. I'm assuming that's because 166 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: the ball's gonna fly a little lower. 167 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is a big thing that I think 168 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people like to use a percentage. And 169 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: this is where Shane, you're gonna have a little advantage 170 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: over your competitors. Here we go, unless they listen to 171 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: this pod. But these numbers are specific to you. Yes, 172 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: it's a little bit more of a constant than what 173 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: you would think is like, hey, it's a percentage, So 174 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: the driver's gonna keep going up further, The forun is 175 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: gonna keep going up further. One of the big reasons 176 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: for that, especially when you look at that two hundred 177 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: to two fifty range, which is your long irons, is 178 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: because the ball is also flying lower, so you get, yes, 179 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna go further, but then it's also gonna fly 180 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: a little bit lower, so the aerodynamics is kind of 181 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: doing its thing in that part. So you know, one 182 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: way you could use this, Shane, if you didn't want 183 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: to look up these exact numbers, you could be, Okay, hey, 184 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: my lob wedge sand wedge is going to be ten yards. 185 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: You know, maybe my short irons are gonna be fifteen. 186 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: If you want to average thirteen and sixteen here in 187 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: that one thirty to one seventy five range, and then 188 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: anything from you know, one seventy five and up is 189 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: gonna be that twenty yard range. So if you wanted 190 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: to simplify it, you could I personally like going to 191 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: the sub yard accuracy here and kind of leaning into that, 192 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: But it's gonna be up to you. This is gonna 193 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: be fun to kind of practice with in your practice rounds, Marty. 194 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 2: Can anybody do this? 195 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I obviously you've put the sheet together for 196 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: me can anybody put this together if they were going 197 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 3: to go play competitive golf somewhere where it's going to 198 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: look a little bit different than where they're used to playing. 199 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: Not quite yet, Shane, You're getting a little bit of 200 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: a white. 201 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: Glove treatment on this one, don't we go. 202 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: But we are going to productize this into a solution. 203 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: You can kind of see. We have balnamic on this, 204 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: and so we do have plans to at some point. 205 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: Can't promise the time frame yet. I wish I could. 206 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: We will have this exact same solution, and it will 207 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: be done in a way similar to copiloting and some 208 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: of these other tools that we've built, where you could 209 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: take a couple very simple numbers from your launch monitor. 210 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: That's what we've done here. We had your driver numbers, 211 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: we had your seven iron stock numbers from when you 212 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: were fitted the proving ground, just like you could get 213 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: any of our accounts. Plug it in, plug in a 214 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: few key pieces of information like your stock yardages, which 215 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: you knew where you typically play golf, and that's where 216 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: you can generate that plays like So we hope to 217 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: make this available. I think there's a couple cool use 218 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: cases to this one. At the top part, which is 219 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: gonna be your primary use case is Okay, you know 220 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: how much shorter is the ball going to carry in 221 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: the air? Then down at the bottom this is more handy. 222 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: This will will definitely be handy for you in Denver, 223 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: and we could talk about that, but for your daily 224 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: play is also how much is the wind going to 225 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: affect my ballflight? One of the very interesting things about 226 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: playing golf in Denver, because the air is not as dense, 227 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: is the wind is going to affect your ball less 228 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: than at sea level. Okay, so if we if we 229 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: compare these numbers, and for those of you that aren't 230 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: watching visually here, you're gonna want to go back and 231 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: tune into it. But we have a chart that shows 232 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: for Shane five ten, fifteen, twenty twenty five miles an 233 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: hour of herting wind versus that same amount of helping wind. 234 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: What is the impact on his carry distance for hurting 235 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: and helping winds? And I'm gonna show an interesting comparison here. 236 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: Let's zoom into a number. Let's say you're one hundred 237 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: and eighty yards out, so we're gonna zoom into this 238 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: range and you have fifteen miles an hour of herding 239 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: wind that's gonna hurt you twenty two yards. I'm gonna 240 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: toggle to a sea level chart we made for you, okay, 241 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: and now that number went to twenty eight so you 242 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: can see at higher altitude, you can see. I'm gonna 243 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: toggle back and forth, and you can see all of 244 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: those numbers really scale down in Denver as compared to 245 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: sea level. So the wind's gonna affect your ball roughly 246 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: fifty percent less. Kind of depends on the specific club 247 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: and conditions and things of that nature. But that's something 248 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: else to keep in mind, and you can kind of 249 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: you can either know that and put that in your 250 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: golf i Q Shane, or you can get really down 251 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: the nitty gritty and throw an actual number at it 252 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: next week if you want to. 253 00:11:54,679 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 3: Marty, what's the biggest misconception with altitude and wind and 254 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 3: and kind of all these variables that golfers talk about 255 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 3: or think about a lot? Because when I talk to 256 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 3: you about this stuff, I mean you're so. 257 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: Dialed on it. I feel like you know exactly. 258 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 3: And I mean I think one hundred percent you know 259 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 3: what's going to happen to a golf ball depending on 260 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: the variables what's something that we feel like we as 261 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 3: golfers get wrong a lot. 262 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: I think that a helping win and a hurting wind 263 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: can be kind of equal, right. I think that's one 264 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: of the big things that if you weren't down into 265 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: the weeds like I am, or some of us into 266 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: the testing their dynamic side, you might think that a 267 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: helping wind in a hurting wind might give you that 268 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: same magnitude of effect. But as we can see here 269 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: on your chart, the hurting wind hurts you more than 270 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: the helping wind helps you. And you're a high speed 271 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: tour maybe above tour average speed, you generate ample amount 272 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: of spin, so your numbers are even closer to equal 273 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: for hurting wind and helping win. If we look at 274 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: some of our slower swing speed players, which would be 275 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: your typical golfer out there, there's a lot of scenarios 276 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: where that helping wind can actually hurt their carry distance. 277 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: And we've made some of these sheets here Shane, for 278 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: a few of our LPGA tour players, and we get 279 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: down into that two hundred to two fifty range or 280 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: even that one seventy five to two hundred range that 281 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: we're looking at here, and the helping wind actually hurts 282 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: their carry distance, and then they think back in their 283 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: brain they go, oh, yeah, I remember when I was 284 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: between clubs, needed to carry a bunker switch to the 285 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: five iron instead of the six. The ball kind of 286 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: looked like it fell out of there. I thought I 287 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: was taking the more conservative play to carry the trouble, 288 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: but I hit it way shorter with that down wind scenario. 289 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: So I think that's one of them. Is that hurting 290 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: and helping wind? Marty? 291 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 3: Do you mess around with driver lofts when you go 292 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: to high altitude spots? I mean, I'm not going to 293 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: do this because you know I have kind of my setup, 294 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 3: But have you messed around with that at all, added 295 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 3: a different type of wood, or you know, gone seven 296 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: wood over three wood, things like that. 297 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: Yes, I think the driver loft is a very important 298 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: one and we can actually use I'm gonna share my 299 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: screen again. 300 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 2: Shane, sharing all the screens. I love it. 301 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: Look at this. We're gonna jump right into Pinco Pilot, 302 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: which all of our accounts have access to, and I 303 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: have your exact numbers, and I have good news for 304 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: you on this, Shane, because with your particular launch conditions, 305 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: I think you're right, you might not need to tweak 306 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: your lost Okay, but I'm going to talk about why 307 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: that's different for different players, including me. My delivery conditions 308 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: and my spin range is a in a window such 309 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: that I actually did when I go play the call 310 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: Red Open, or if I go play golf in Flagstaff, 311 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: I do have to change my driver loft. Okay, And 312 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna run your numbers here. So we got a 313 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: driver measure on track, man, So we have radar here. 314 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: Let's call it moderate fairway conditions one seventy seven balls, 315 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: eight and a half degrees of launch, twenty nine to 316 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: fifty spin. Now, a lot of listeners out there might 317 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: be thinking, why can't you get Shane more dialed in 318 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: with this spin that seems high? Well, guess what your 319 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: stock little chip cut down there. You're hitting down about 320 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: three degrees. Three three and a half degrees is what 321 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: we measured you at. Okay. So the more you hit 322 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: down on the ball, the higher your optimal backspin. So 323 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: that is totally fine. So we're gonna run this through 324 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: this tool that we have launch efficiency, and I'm gonna 325 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: run this Shane first at sea level, So I'm gonna 326 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: put in eighty five degrees in sea level. I get 327 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: launch efficiency. This is doing all kinds of compute on 328 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: the back end, all kinds of virtual simulations, kind of 329 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: like AI, to tell you what you should do in 330 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: your launch conditions to get totally dialed. And as we did, 331 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: we use this tool. When you're at the proven grounds, 332 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: you were pretty much perfect. This is saying this is 333 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: a great fit. This is what co pilot is saying. 334 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: You're within a half a degree of absolutely perfect and 335 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: one hundred degrees of our one hundred RPMs of spin 336 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: of absolute perfection from a fitting standpoint, So you can't 337 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: really eke out at any more distance there because we 338 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: got you dialed in. Now, let's say you hit that 339 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: same shot in Denver. So I'm gonna pump the altitude 340 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: up to fifty seven fifty and say get launch efficiency. 341 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: And now you've moved down a little on that optimal window. Gotcha, 342 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna be living right at the bottom threshold of optimal. 343 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: And you know this might seem crazy to some folks 344 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: out there. The spin rate recommendation it says for you 345 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: is three three hundred RPMs. So here we are ping. 346 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: We're saying your optimal spin. At altitude, your optimal launch 347 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: is nine to five and your optimal spin is thirty 348 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: three hundred. That may sound pretty wild to people, but 349 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: that's because of how you're angle of attack. And then 350 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: at altitude, because the ball is gonna fly lower, we 351 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: need a little more launch and a little more spin 352 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: to keep that ball in the air. That being said, Shane, 353 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: I think because you generate ample spin, it's gonna be 354 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: warm next week in Denver. Most likely your driver as 355 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: is is still gonna be really good for you there 356 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: at altitude. 357 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 3: Okay, since I got you here, Marty, I got a 358 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 3: couple other questions. I just got a couple of basic 359 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 3: kind of golf a questions that I've always been interested in. 360 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 3: I want to start here with wedges, and I want 361 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 3: to start with down wind wedges because I. 362 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 2: Feel like, yeah, this is the most. 363 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 3: Perplexing thing that golfers deal with on a week to 364 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 3: week basis. Why is it that the wind's whipping behind 365 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: me let's say ten to twelve miles per hour and 366 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 3: I feel like, all right, it's a sandwich, but I'm 367 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 3: gonna hit my lab wedge because there's a lot of 368 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 3: wind behind me. Why does it feel like the ball 369 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 3: falls out of the sky and I still hit that 370 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 3: shot short of the green more often than not. 371 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh man, I can sense you have some some 372 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: skeletons in the closet on this show everywhere, so have you, Shane? 373 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: You probably know this from your Saint Andrews days. Okay, 374 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: let's say you're hitting a pit shot around the green, 375 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: like a high lob type shot, and it's you're literally 376 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: only need to carry it ten or fifteen yards, but 377 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: the wind's blown thirty miles an hour left. Right. If 378 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: you ever hit that shot and then the wind like 379 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: literally blows it like five yards, is just kind of 380 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: like that pitch shot. You're like the wind affected the 381 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: pitch shot more than my approach shot. You know why 382 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: is that? It's pretty interesting? So I think the phenomena 383 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: that's happening, and my callague doctor Eric Hendrickson, we got 384 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: to have them on to talk about the exact microphysics 385 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 1: of what's going on here. But there's a in aerodynamics 386 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: sometimes there's like these we call them binary They're like 387 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: switches that go off and on effects from an aerodynamic standpoint, 388 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: So let's say you're hitting a lobwey a fifty yard 389 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: loguage sixty yard lobguage, where that ball speed is only 390 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: going to be like fifty sixty seventy miles an hour. 391 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: So you got fifty sixty seventy miles an hour, it's 392 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: call it sixty miles an hour. Then you got let's say, 393 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: twenty miles an hour of down windy. So the net 394 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: that the golf ball is seeing when it's spinning is 395 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: only forty So there's a speed threshold where the speed 396 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: is so low you're not getting that kind of turbulence 397 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: around the ball that gives it its lift force. And 398 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: the lift force is kind of like what keeps the 399 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 1: plane in the air. Okay, So if you're not getting 400 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: that lift force because the net speed the ball speed 401 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: of the ball minus the helping wind speed of the 402 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: wind gets too low, then you lose the lift and 403 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: the ball falls out of the air. It's like a knuckleball. 404 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: It loses its upward pushing force, which is called the 405 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: lift force. There's some more little nuance that goes into 406 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: the why. But does that kind of help make a 407 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: little bit of sense of that painful shot? 408 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 3: Absolutely well, I mean, you know, it's It's just so 409 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 3: weird because I feel like this happens a lot, and 410 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 3: you know, you pose it on a wedge and it 411 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 3: lands on the front of the green, or you know, 412 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 3: it lands ten yards on and spins kind of to 413 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 3: the front of the green or something like that. And 414 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: I've battled with this so long, Marty, because you know, 415 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 3: you go, Okay, do I just hit the wedge? I 416 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 3: would have hit anyway without the down wind, you know, 417 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 3: hits one twenty five. Do I just hit gap weedge 418 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 3: and try to swing smooth at it and just see 419 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 3: what kind of occurs with the wind. What's your approach 420 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 3: when you're let's say you're one hundred and ten yards, 421 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 3: what's your sandwich? One fifteen stock? 422 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: What do you get? One fifteen stock? One fifteen stock, 423 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: one ten comfortable? 424 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 3: You're one fifteen and you've got twelve miles per hour 425 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 3: down wind? Are you still hitting that sandwich pretty much 426 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 3: stock what you'd normally do? 427 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? I would, and I wouldn't be afraid to swing hard. 428 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: I mean I think the scenarios were yes, because you 429 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: want to keep the ball speed up. Okay, now actually 430 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: try to almost hit it lower. Now that might seem 431 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: crazy to some people like, hey, I'm down wind, he's 432 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: trying to hit it lower. But if I try to 433 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: hit it lower, you can have a more optimal spin loft. 434 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: To keep more spin on, you could generate a higher 435 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: gross spin rate. So try to get the spin rate 436 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: up to twelve thousand or whatever depending on the lie. 437 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: And then trying to hit it lower also keeps the 438 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: ball speed up, so you're getting more ball speed, so 439 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: you don't have that scenario where you like, like you 440 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: know that differential between the ball speed and the wind speed, 441 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: and then try to generate as much spin as you can. 442 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: And so for those two reasons, I think that is 443 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: an actionable thing to do. But that is such a 444 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: painful shot, Shane, because the situation doesn't always allow you 445 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: to do it. I mean a lot of times you 446 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: have those shots. You got trouble short in trouble long, 447 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: and so you're here, you're living on a razor's edge there. 448 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: I also have some demons from some shots that I've had. 449 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: The ball fall out there on a wedgshot or d 450 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: c Ranch here has a hole way up on top 451 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: of the hill and it's in this canyon and it's 452 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: like one hundred and thirty yards one hundred and forty yards. 453 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: The wind's always swirling. The other thing that happens, Shanes 454 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: is sometimes the wind can actually blow down. This is 455 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: like a crazy thing to think about. Is the wind 456 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: doesn't always blow just left or right in front to back. 457 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: The wind can also blow down. So there's a hole 458 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: up there. I swear the wind's helping, but quite often 459 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: you'll get some phenomenon in the mountain where the wind 460 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: blows down, that ball falls down, hits into this rock 461 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: wall and you're reteeing and you can't go along either. 462 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: That's not good either. 463 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like, oh sweet, I may double on this 464 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 3: hole again. Just what I was hoping for. That's that's 465 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 3: wildly What about humidity, Like, what does humidity do in 466 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 3: terms of golf ball's actions in the air. 467 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: Humidity is such a controversial topic because but let's try 468 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: to set the record straight here. I think golfers furience 469 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: that when it's humid the ball goes shorter, right, So 470 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: you got golfers in real life kind of experiencing this, 471 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: then you have us maybe if I take my golf 472 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: mind out of it, looking at this very scientifically, humidity 473 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: by itself, if you change the humidity from zero percent 474 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: all the way up to one hundred percent. You actually 475 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: lower the air density by increasing humidity, which we talked 476 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: about temperature and altitude earlier. You lower the density, the 477 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: ball goes further. So in theory, if you but it's 478 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: a very very teeny tiny effect. If you take a 479 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: three hundred yard drive, you'd say your your driver launch conditions, 480 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: the ball's dry, and we could somehow change the humidity 481 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: from zero percent to one hundred percent, you would carry 482 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: that driver one yard further when it's humid. But Shane, 483 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: let's go back to man. We got all these golfers 484 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: and I heard Justin Thomas online on Twitter kind of 485 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: talk about it over when it's humid, the ball goes shorter. 486 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: They're saying that, but yet in theory the ball should 487 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: go further. Well, what's happening when it's humid out we 488 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: most of the time you'll have little water droplets accumulating, 489 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: even under a microscopic level on the golf ball itself, 490 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: so you really have a wet golf ball. Now, what 491 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: happens when the golf ball alone is wet, It flies shorter, 492 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: so that humidity in the air makes it go slightly 493 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: slightly further. But if you have water on the golf ball. 494 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: If you have water on the ball, this is why 495 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: if you if it's raining and you got a caddy there, 496 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: keep the ball dry as the number one priority. The 497 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: ball will go shorter. So uh, let's this is something 498 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: you can anyone could test, Shane. You could go to 499 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: your range if you had a track man, tee a 500 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: ball up with your driver, sprits it with bringing a 501 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: little spray bottle, sprints it with water, hit a dry 502 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: ball and then hit a few where you spritz the 503 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: ball wet in the wet golf ball with the driver 504 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: for you will go like fifteen shorter. Okay, So having 505 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: the ball dry is a very big deal. So then 506 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: there's another compounding effect, which is when the ball's wet 507 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: and you hit a low lofted club, you actually because 508 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: the friction between the ball and the face, you'll actually 509 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: generate more spin. We call that the reverse flyer. So 510 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: you could actually get a scenario where let's say you're 511 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: hitting a five iron, the ball's a little wet and 512 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: it's it's humid out. The ball's a little bit wet, 513 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: you generate a little more spin between the ball and 514 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: the face, then the ball has a little moistureize, so 515 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: it flies shorter through the air. So even though it's 516 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: more humid air and it should go further, and actually 517 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: goes shorter in practice, I think, and we think it 518 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: pinging it from the proving grounds research, that's probably actually 519 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: what happens out there in practice. So the golfers aren't 520 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: necessarily wrong, but it's not the humidity that's making it 521 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: go further. It's a wet golf ball, Marty. 522 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 3: This episode's either going to make people way more fired 523 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 3: up to play, or it's gonna make them quit the 524 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 3: game entirely. 525 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 2: I'm not sure which way. 526 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 3: We're gonna go, because it's like, I mean, like just 527 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 3: think about I think about how hard golf is in general, right, 528 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 3: I mean, it is a very very difficult sport and 529 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 3: you're trying to go through all. You know, like tennis, 530 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 3: you can be a power player, right and you could 531 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: be a big serve volley guy. In baseball, if you're 532 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 3: a pitcher and you've just got a ton of speed, 533 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 3: you can lean heavily on that. You need a little 534 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 3: bit of movement with the ball, but that can be 535 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 3: your thing. If you're Steph Curry and basketball Hugh shoot threes. 536 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 3: In golf, you've got to do all of these things 537 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 3: well to have a solid round of golf. It's not 538 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 3: just the plane, it's not just the hitting. It's the 539 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 3: saying and it's the thinking, Marty. And this is part 540 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 3: of that thinking that makes golf so tough because you 541 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 3: can have some of the best players in the world, 542 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 3: Justin Thomas, one of the best golfers in the world, 543 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 3: not totally understanding humidity in the game, and that he's 544 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: not the only player that deals with that. 545 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's true. I mean, I think that's just 546 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: part of having high golf IQ. And I think hopefully 547 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: Shane listeners this pot are leveling up their golf IQ 548 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: just a little bit. I mean, if having that information 549 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: helps you save one shot in one key tournament, that 550 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: might help you win your championship or something like that. 551 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that would be just absolutely phenomenal. 552 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 3: All right, So, when when wind is a factor, let's 553 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 3: say wind is helping. Let's keep going with the helping 554 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 3: part of this. At what point is it helping at 555 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 3: what speed, at what club, at what distance is wind 556 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 3: actually going to propel that ball? 557 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 2: Forward, whatever the case may be. 558 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it depends on the club type, and 559 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: it depends on your ball speed. The higher ball speed player, 560 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: this is the bad news for you. I had good 561 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: news for you, Shane. Now I got bad news. 562 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 2: Okay. 563 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: The higher ball speed you are, the more the wind's 564 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: gonna affect your ball flight, okay, because you're gonna have 565 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: more time in the air and higher peak height. Okay. 566 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: So if you are a slower swing speed player, the 567 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: wind it's this nonlinear effect. The win's not gonna affect 568 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: your ball flight as much if you're a lower swing 569 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: speed player. I think we've seen this with player like Bryson, 570 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: Like he's out there and his biggest challenge when he 571 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: picked up all that speed was the wind. He became 572 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: very kind of perplexed by how much the is the 573 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 1: wind gonna affect my ballflight, where if you have other 574 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: other players with slower swing speed, it doesn't affect it 575 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: as much. Right, So I think it depends on your 576 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: peak high, your trajectory, your ball speed, and it's gonna 577 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: affect your wedges less. Okay. Again, they're in the air, 578 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: they're you're not as far out and they're in the air. 579 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: For a shorter period of time. So I think kind 580 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: of like green reading, where one way, one kind of 581 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: good way I think the aim pointers and I've kind 582 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: of learned about of reading greens is to think about 583 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: the longer the putt from a time standpoint. So if 584 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: you had a very fast downhill putt, that putt could 585 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: be rolling for maybe eight seconds, right, But if you 586 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: had an uphill putt on slow greens, that same distance 587 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: of putt might only be rolling for four seconds. So 588 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: which one is going to break more the one where 589 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: gravity can act on it for a longer period of time. 590 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: So one way to think about wind is very similar. 591 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: Think about the time that the wind can act on 592 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: the golf ball. So one major way to counter that 593 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: in playing golf is to reduce that time. Is to 594 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: lower your peak height and lower your trajectory. Is a 595 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: really good technique for a player like you, Shane, and 596 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: that's why you see the very creative high speed golfers 597 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: and Bubba's of the world being able to manipulate their 598 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: vertical trajectory a lot when they're playing golf. 599 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 3: Seemed like one of the big kind of arguments in 600 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 3: that middling career of Dustin and Rory was their kind 601 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 3: of inability or the fact that they wouldn't try to 602 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 3: manipulate the wedges. You know, you watch you mentioned Bubba, 603 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: and you watch bubb in his prime, and Bubba would 604 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 3: hit these crazy window wedges, these low love wedges and 605 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 3: these sand wedges that come out of windows look like 606 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 3: a four iron. Yet that obviously was what he was 607 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 3: trying to do because he had the ability to manipulate. 608 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 2: The golf ball in that way. 609 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 3: And you do see especially I run into this a 610 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: lot with young players. I'm sure you do as well, 611 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 3: young high speed players, and it feels like the wedges 612 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 3: are only coming out of one window and that's extremely high, 613 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 3: and that's great if there's no conditions. When the conditions 614 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 3: starting to kind of heighten up, that is that that's 615 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 3: not going to get you close to the hole, You're 616 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 3: gonna find yourself hitting a lot of thirty footers for. 617 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: Birdie, absolutely. I mean, this is one of the big 618 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: things that Sean Fully and Cameron Champ have worked really 619 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: hard on to help Cameron win a few turna you know, 620 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: a couple of his tournaments a couple of years ago. 621 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: Was being able to hit those different windows with his 622 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: wedges because because he kind of had that. You know, 623 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: the problem of being very high speed, right, it comes 624 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: with some skills that you need. You're gonna have more 625 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: consequence on things like the wind affecting your irons more 626 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: and so being able to manipulate that vertical trajectory is 627 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: very important. I think you, Shane. You also brought up 628 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: Rory and manipulating and choosing different shots. One of the 629 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: funnest things to watch was him hitting his final two 630 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: iron when he won the Scottish Open earlier this summer, 631 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: where it was a scenario where if he would have 632 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: hit his stock draw, everyone says, Rory always hits a draw, 633 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: go back and look at that shot. We actually at 634 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: Balnama simulated if he would have hit the draw with 635 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: that same scenario, his two iron would have gone like 636 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: thirty yards over the green on the back edge, and 637 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: his make percentage probability back there would have been like 638 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: one in one hundred and he would be more likely 639 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: to three putt and not even make a playoff. So 640 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: he had to cut it into the wind, and by 641 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: cutting it into the wind, he reduced the distance because 642 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: he was between four iron and two iron and four 643 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: iron wouldn't have worked because the geometry of the hole 644 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: like it was, it was geometrically impossible for him to 645 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: get it close to the hole. His only way to 646 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: pull that shot off and win the tournament was to 647 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: cut the two iron with a lot of spin axes 648 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: right back up into the wind, take the distance off, 649 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: create the angle, and capture the victory. A beautiful example 650 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: of a high speed player using shot making to control 651 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: distance and and clutch. 652 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 3: Up, Marty, anything else you've got for me as I 653 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 3: get set for Colorado, Because I feel like we've checked 654 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 3: the box on distance and altitude. I feel like I've 655 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 3: checked the box on down wind wedges. I feel very comfortable. 656 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 3: I'm extremely excited to hit. To hear I'm gonna hit 657 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 3: more fairways. That is great news for me. As I 658 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 3: continually get buddies text to me pictures of Colorado Golf 659 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 3: Club's best you rough on the about Now I'm not 660 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 3: worried about it anymore. This is this is making me 661 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 3: all fired up to get to Colorado. Is there anything else, 662 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 3: weather wise or variable wise that I should be thinking about? 663 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, there is one one thing, Shane, So I talked 664 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: about hitting it lower. So with your irons, especially at 665 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: Colorado Golf Club, because the greens might be a little 666 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: bit firmer out there on that course, your irons are 667 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: gonna go lower. So if you hit your stock trajectory 668 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: from sea level to Denver, your landing angle with your 669 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: mid and long iron's going to be about seven degrees shallower. Okay, 670 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: So it's something to be mindful of. Are you gonna 671 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: bring your You have a seven wood right bringing the bag. 672 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: It's bag perfect. So that might be a very important 673 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: club for you because again that peak height the the 674 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: the height's gonna be lower, You're gonna land it shallower. 675 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: This might be a little bit non obvious to the 676 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: rest of the players there. So definitely bring that seven wood. 677 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: Definitely be mindful if the greens get firm that you 678 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: might be landing it a little bit shallower. That's where 679 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: your high cut can give you a major advantage over 680 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: those young kids that only hit hit one one shot 681 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: shape in there. 682 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 3: Interesting, you know, I it's so funny because when you 683 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 3: have it, like for me especially, I kind of have 684 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 3: my golf bag set and you feel really comfortable with 685 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 3: the setup, and you see these professional golfers and I 686 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 3: always am so I'm so impressed by pros because their 687 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 3: willingness to tinker is a very strong characteristic of a 688 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 3: great player. I mean, you think about Phil Mickelson winn 689 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 3: Majors with two drivers in his bag. You know, I 690 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 3: remember Adam Scott years ago chasing that PGA Championship had 691 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,719 Speaker 3: two putters in the bag, having five wedges sixty two 692 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 3: sixty four degree wedges. Like you see these pros willingness 693 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 3: to try different clubs at big time events, and the 694 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 3: seven wood is something I've been very excited about bringing 695 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 3: with me because again not just in terms of shots, 696 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 3: in terms of how they're laying on the green, but 697 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 3: out of some of this nasty championship rough is you'd 698 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 3: be able to galluge it out of some of these 699 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 3: spots that you couldn't do with the crossover. 700 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other thing I would say, Shane, I played, 701 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: I've played Colorado Golf Club once or twice. Absolutely loved it. Man. 702 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,439 Speaker 1: It's like, have you played there yet? 703 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:37,439 Speaker 2: I haven't played it ever. 704 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: It's like bandon Dunes in Colorado. 705 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 2: Okay, fire, it's fired up, absolutely. 706 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 1: Gonna love it. So so we got Colorado Golf Club 707 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: and then Cherry Hills. They're very different. So give yourself 708 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: permission to maybe play the seven wood at Cherry, but 709 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: you might need the three iron or the crossover over 710 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: there at Colorado Golf Club. So definitely do your homework 711 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: because you could mix your bag up a little bit 712 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: in that scenario. Between those two tracks, I would say 713 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: probably a higher probability of needing the seven wood out 714 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: there at Cherry. Greens are small, Rough's gonna be thick. 715 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: That place is super fun. It holds its own for 716 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: not being super long on the card. You will end 717 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: up hitting some shots in there, like, hey, how am 718 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: I hitting all these long irons? It's it's sneaky in 719 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: how that place you end up hitting some long irons 720 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: to some very small greens. You're absolutely gonna love it. 721 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: Both those tracks are unbelievable. 722 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 3: Marty, the the Arnold Palmer driving holes three ninety now, 723 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 3: you know, I just think it was three sixty when 724 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 3: the green? 725 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 2: Can I get there? Can I get there? Or no? 726 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 2: At three ninetyes ah? 727 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 1: You know what it is, Shane. I think it depends 728 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: on where the pin is because that green has a 729 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 1: lot of complexity to it. Okay, and you know it's 730 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,959 Speaker 1: also in you know, there's a difference between match playing 731 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: stroke play. I mean stroke player, you just get just 732 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,959 Speaker 1: get through so uh and there's water down the right, 733 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: and it's if that's your first hole the tournament. Man 734 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 1: oh man, I would be more likely hit in the farewell, 735 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: So it's no guarantee. It's also not the easiest. It's 736 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: not a guaranteed layup either. That's the other factor. So 737 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: if you do lay up, you know, really focus on 738 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: that shot. You got to get that ball in the 739 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: short grass there, because that green is complex. That being said, 740 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: maybe in match play they can move the tea up 741 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: into the right a little bit to the original tee. 742 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,959 Speaker 1: Then it's send all day long. Okay, it's quite fun, 743 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: and I would hypothesize they would do that in match 744 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: play because you don't have to worry about the pace 745 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: of play and all the other things with getting all 746 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: those golfers through thirty six holes. Up there with me 747 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 1: some afternoon storms, Marty. 748 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 2: This has been amazing. This has been extremely helpful. 749 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 3: I hope your phone is charged next week because you're 750 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 3: going to be getting text messages from me as I 751 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 3: get through some of these practice rounds and get a 752 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 3: feel for what I might be doing or what I 753 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 3: might not be doing. But I'm fired up. First first 754 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 3: US amateur for me, you know, at thirty nine years old, 755 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 3: I do the qualifiers, Marty, and it's thirty holes and 756 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 3: it's a long day, and I sign up and I'm excited. 757 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 3: You know, I kind of have the theory go out 758 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 3: and play and see what happens. But to actually get 759 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 3: through this and to play in this championship, you know, 760 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 3: this was this was the first event I ever broadcasted 761 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 3: on national television, was the US Ader back at twenty sixteen. 762 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 3: So to kind of full circle it and get to 763 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 3: finally get a chance to play in it, I am 764 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 3: very excited about it. 765 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:22,879 Speaker 2: I'm very fired up. 766 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 3: And my cheat sheet that you've made me is going 767 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 3: to be extremely helpful, and it's going to be on 768 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 3: the front page of my yardage book. 769 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: There we go. I love it. Shane. Well just hope 770 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: you we help you out a little bit. Enjoy it. 771 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: Those two courses are awesome for you. You got a 772 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: higher golf I Q. Then the rest of the competition 773 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: out there and uh man, just have fun. Get it, 774 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: just get it done, get into match play, and anything 775 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 1: can happen in match play, Shane. 776 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 3: Anything could happen. Anything could happen in match play. That's 777 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 3: the goal. Marty, you're the man. I really appreciate you 778 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 3: doing this. We've kind of thrown this together last minute, 779 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 3: and it was an idea that I think both of 780 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 3: us had had about chatting about this. So thank you, 781 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I hope you guys enjoyed it 782 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 3: as well. I hope you learned something. This is the 783 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 3: Paying Proving Grounds Podcast. 784 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: H