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Speaker 1: We simply don't know the answer. Too deep into the darkness,

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Speaker 1: peering long, I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams.

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Speaker 1: No mortal ever dared to dream before? Hey, guys, was

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Speaker 1: that singing Sideways? The podcast I Am Devin, joined as

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Speaker 1: always by Joe and Steve. Tonight we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: somehow still mysterious death of Edgar Allan Poe. You didn't

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Speaker 1: know his death was an unsolved mystery, did you? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I did, no. Well, I saw that really terrible John

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Speaker 1: Qusack movie The Raven years ago. I didn't see it,

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Speaker 1: It starts with a letter that reads, there, sir, there's

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Speaker 1: a gentleman rather the worse for wear at Ryan's fourth

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Speaker 1: and who appears to being great distress. And he says

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Speaker 1: immediate assistance, yours in haste, Joseph W. Walker to Dr J. E. Snodgrass.

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Speaker 1: So the story goes. Poe was found either in the

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Speaker 1: also pulling station. It was voting time. Yeah, they don't.

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Speaker 1: They multitasks back in those days. That's how you got

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Speaker 1: I think they're still doing that. He was described as delirious,

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Speaker 1: He spent four days and fairly incoherent stupor before dying

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Speaker 1: on October seven. In those four days, uh Poe was

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Speaker 1: But this just comes from some fairly maybe unreliable sources.

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Speaker 1: So it's hard to tell if it was that he

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Speaker 1: and Dr Moran said no, no, he's not well enough. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: and Edgar joined the army under a pseudonym. I'd have

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Speaker 1: to look it up, Captain James T. Kert. Nothing like that.

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Speaker 1: lot of other things. It's very involved story. Wikipedia will

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Speaker 1: might not be New York. I'm trying to remember what

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00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: city it was. Do you know what I'm talking about?

426
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: The trip was what you're talking about. I can't. I'm

427
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: trying to remember where he was going, Okay, But but

428
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: the point is is that he could have been in

429
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: any city. So that's an important thing for people to understand.

430
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: Is it's not that he went from Richmond to Baltimore.

431
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: Baltimore for five days, it's possible, but he also could

432
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: have been anywhere else. I'm not sure actually how long

433
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: it took to travel from in those days from Richmond

434
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: to Baltimore. I mean that I could easily see that

435
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: being a couple of days back in those days. Yeah,

436
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: I could see that being a train. Yeah, yeah, Because

437
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: there's there's talk about people saying, well, maybe he meant

438
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: to get on one train and was confused and got

439
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: on the other, an accident backtracked, and some of this

440
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: is in different theories, but so it's it was. He

441
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: was definitely traveling by trade, so I know that for

442
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: a fact, but he could have been wherever the stinking

443
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: rail routes went. Yeah. I could have stopped off or

444
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: got off the train for a couple of days here

445
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: there or whatever it could have done all kinds of stuff. Yeah,

446
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: and as mentioned, the reliable list reports that his nemesis

447
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: released after his death said, well, he was on a

448
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: drunken vendor, but no nobody really believed that. Nobody thinks

449
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: that that. Well, that's not true. Some people do think that,

450
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: but it's likely that that was just made up to

451
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: slander his name after his death. I think. So, you

452
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: know what the biggest tragedy is for Poe after he died,

453
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: is that his rival and what was the guy's name again?

454
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: The last name. His last name was Griswald. Okay, what

455
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: Griswald did? I don't know if you guys saw this

456
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: in the red is. I don't know how he convinced

457
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: pose family to do this, if they were in need

458
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: of cash or what. But he bought from them all

459
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: of his papers and all of his writings and all

460
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: these letters, and so he was essentially the executor of

461
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: all of this stuff from Poe. So he had an

462
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: iron grip on what came out after the fact, which

463
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: is just clever and just cruel. But I don't understand how.

464
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: I guess the family must not have been aware that

465
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: this guy was kind of a and it's not not

466
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: a friend and an enemy of that Groland post. I

467
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: I have a feeling that they may not have realized

468
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: the level of venom that was between them somehow, because

469
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: it was pretty public, but he may not have realized

470
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: how bad. They may not have known, and so they're like, oh, well,

471
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: he's being very nice and very very considerate, and so

472
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: we need a couple of bucks. Okay, I mean, I

473
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't know. But then again,

474
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: a hundred, a hundred, fifty years later, it's very easy

475
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: to see the value of those documents. But at the

476
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: time they may have had. Yeah. The one I like

477
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: to kind of compare it to is Van Gogh, right,

478
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: who was a drunk and literally trying to give his

479
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: paintings away to have alcohol, and people would say, no, dude,

480
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: your paintings are pretty bad. I don't want to, Like,

481
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: that's not worth a beer to me. So why would

482
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: buy that guy a case of booty at the time?

483
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: I'll take that. Yeah, after the time, as his style

484
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: was a little out there, though, I mean, we all

485
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: recognize it today is brilliant. Yeah, yeah, right, But exactly

486
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: that sort of phenomenon that happens pretty frequently it was not. Yeah,

487
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: maybe Poe was not well. He was actually pretty highly regarded,

488
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: I guess even at the time. But it's not. But

489
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: but now he's, like, you know, one of the great

490
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: American authors of all time. But does this mean, though,

491
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: that because Grizzwold bought all this stuff, does that mean

492
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: every time I buy a copy of The Raven than

493
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: some descendantive Grizzwold guests the Royalty. I don't know that.

494
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: That's an excellent question. We should do some research. Yeah, yeah,

495
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: you guys want to talk about theories. Okay. The first

496
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: theory is that it was voter fraud. Yeah, a k A. Cooping.

497
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: I mentioned he was found outside or maybe in a

498
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: polling station, and apparently it was pretty common at the

499
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: time for people to find a mark like Poe, for instance,

500
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: beat him, kidnap him, dress him in a variety of

501
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: different disguises, and force him to vote for the same

502
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: candidate multiple times. It would explain why he was wearing

503
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: someone else's clothes, explain he was incoherent. It would explain

504
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 1: why he was incoherent. It wouldn't It wouldn't explain you know,

505
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: why he kept getting worse after he was hospitalized. Definitely not.

506
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the sort of thing people recover

507
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: from and can remember what happened. You don't agree with that.

508
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: It's the other thing, of course, says that there and

509
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: our records are shoddy, But there's no mention of him

510
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: looking like he got beat up. Yeah, I know that's there.

511
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: There are other other beating theories out there too, Yeah,

512
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: And I don't I haven't heard anything. I haven't read

513
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: anything that says that he was described as having even

514
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: really any kind of cuts or bruises or anything exactly.

515
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: Doctor probably would have mentioned as if he had. Yeah,

516
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: but there is there is recordings of the fact that

517
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: there are people who when they were victims of these

518
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: cooping schemes, and they would be locked away and they

519
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: would be drugged, and there are accounts of people who

520
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: were overdosed with whatever it was. And of course when

521
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: you voted, they gave you a drink, and then you

522
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: were hauled to the next place and you voted again,

523
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: and you've got another drink. So if you're chucked full

524
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: of drugs, whatever it might be, because lord knows what

525
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: kind of concoction they're using to make you doscile, that

526
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: that can have a negative effect. That it did kill

527
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: some people was infrequent. But the other problem with this

528
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: theory is the police who monitored the polling stations that

529
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: year said it was a very calm and dull day

530
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: the cooping's these guys came out and kind of big groups,

531
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: and it was pretty obvious when they were showing up

532
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: because these people were in a cart. They had them

533
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: all chucked in the back of a cart. So well, yeah,

534
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: and there's another problem with this particular theory, which is

535
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: that was actually fairly well known back in those days.

536
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: So the description of him is that he looked so

537
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: unlike himself that even his friends had a hard time

538
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: recognizing him when they saw him. Somebody knew him recognized

539
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: him finally at the bar and said, oh, hey, you're

540
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: not just some random drunk yar head Garland Poe. Oh

541
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: you don't look great. Let's get you some help. But

542
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: it took a while for all we know. You know,

543
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: it could have been that he just wasn't recognized as possible.

544
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: But well, I don't like this theory. I'm not trying to.

545
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: I don't think this theory is really any good. But

546
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: because it sounds like it sounds like when they discovered him,

547
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: the election took place on a single day. Correct, yes, right,

548
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: It sounds like from the state that he was in,

549
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: he had been um he had been going downhill sharply

550
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: for more than just today, from the condition of his

551
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: hair and his skin as closed, everything like that. But

552
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: these cooping schemes would start to gather people days prior

553
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: to an election and they would hold him in basements

554
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: and locked up and all of that. So, I again,

555
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not in bed with this theory at all,

556
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: but it does the the evidence does show that if

557
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: he was a victim of it, he could have been

558
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: held for days on end. Why didn't they just bribe

559
00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: him like to do today, I don't know. Next up

560
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: is Booze Whoo whoo, whoo whoo, who has previously mentioned.

561
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: There were a lot of reports about this. Apparently Poe

562
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: was the lightweight. We kind of talked about that and

563
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: the validity of that. Who knows. The theory goes that

564
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: his illness prior to traveling was brought on by drinking.

565
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: Somebody had tempted him fall off the wagon, and that's

566
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: what you know, the doctor was talking about. Dr Carter

567
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: was talking about when he said, if you have another attack,

568
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: you'll it'll kill you. There's some speculation that Poe had

569
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: something that made it so that his body wouldn't process

570
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: alcohol right way, or that it affected him a certain way.

571
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: His sister was also a lightweight. As I mentioned, there's

572
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: some speculation that that could have been caused by lesion

573
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 1: on the brain. I think there are probably other things.

574
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: There are other things that can cause that. Right, Yeah,

575
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: I was because I do not like the theory that

576
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: po drink himself to death, just because, as Joe pointed

577
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: out and you've pointed out, there's not a whole lot

578
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: of evidence that he was an alcoholic because people who

579
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: love the sauce always drink the sauce. So that doesn't

580
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: hold up to me. But you know, just to play

581
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: devil's guy, and I started looking into what how does

582
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: your body deal with alcohol? And your liver takes and

583
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: processes somewhere between nine of all alcohol that you drink

584
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: or that you absorb, and then breaks it down from

585
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: there and that process how it does it is the

586
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 1: liver first breaks alcohol into acid. Tall to hide, hide

587
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: at the hide, that's how you say it. I'm struggling

588
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: with that word for a day now um, which turns

589
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: out is a pretty bad substance. But once it's once

590
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: the body doesn't just leave it there. It then breaks

591
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: it down into acetate, which is relatively inert in the body,

592
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: and then and it can expel it. And it's so

593
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: the whole thing is normally not a problem. But it

594
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: got me thinking about what if he has some kind

595
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: of condition and there are conditions where people can't handle liquor,

596
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: and so it has a greater effect on him. If

597
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: his body wasn't processing alcohol like it should have or

598
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: breaking down these components and and expelling them the way

599
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: that it was supposed to. That might account for some

600
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: of it. Because the acetalde hide, it turns out, is

601
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: a carcinogen, and it's people. This is something that you

602
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: find in a chemical form because we know how to

603
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: now make that If people get exposed to the right

604
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: parts a million of it, they have delirium, they have hallucinations,

605
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: loss of intelligence, all this stuff. It's actually been linked

606
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: to for people who don't break it down correctly, they

607
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: don't have the proper enzyme, or they don't create enough

608
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: of the enzyme. It's linked to Alzheimer's, So there is

609
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: a possibility that his body wasn't his liver specifically wasn't

610
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: doing its job in the way that it should have

611
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. So he had a build up of

612
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: this stuff in his system which may have caused this

613
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: this condition that the doctor was saying, if this happens

614
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: to you one more time, it's going to kill you.

615
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: And I don't know that he necessarily did take a drink,

616
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: but if he did and it he had built up

617
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: enough of that in his system, that might have been

618
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: what he was suffering from, because if you get enough

619
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: of this chemical compound, it will kill you. Again. I'm

620
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: just looking at this from the science perspective, if I

621
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: just wanted to see what happens and how that works,

622
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: and it's it's plausible. I don't buy it, but it's

623
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: totally possible. And now the thing is, though, is that

624
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: you have this. You have this when you drink alcohol

625
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: and the stuff builds up and you get all horribly

626
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: sick and everything. Then after you recover from that, then

627
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: I assume your liver does manage to process it, at

628
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: least in your body manages to get rid of it

629
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 1: at least somewhat right, Yes, yeah, that's kind of that's

630
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: that's part of what makes a hangover is your body

631
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: is breaking down the alcohol into the acetel hyde and

632
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: then into acetate and that's a noxious thing in your system.

633
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: So that's part of what makes you sick. Yeah, but

634
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: you think that if somebody suffered from a condition like that,

635
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: then if they would draw, they would notice it every

636
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: time they drink, they get horribly sick, they would not drink. Well,

637
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: that might be why Poe, though he did drink occasionally,

638
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: didn't drink often because it may have been man, I

639
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: went out and I had two glasses of wine and

640
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: I had a really fun time and I have felt

641
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: like crap for three days. That that could explain why

642
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: he was such an infrequent drinker and why he got

643
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: on board with the temperance movement. That's why other issue

644
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: with the booze himself to death. Okay, he had friends

645
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,479
Speaker 1: that were in the movement, so he jumped on board

646
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: the bandwagon. But you know, they're just the evidence doesn't

647
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: support it short of this one jerk who said, oh, yeah,

648
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: Post was a total booze hound. Yeah. Well, also I

649
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: think that um, even if he had had some alcohol,

650
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: I don't think that they were. I don't think the

651
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: doctor was feeding him alcohol in the hospital, so he

652
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: should have recovered. Well, well, yeah, and correct me if

653
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, Devon. When they picked him up, there are

654
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: there's nothing in the writing that says, oh, and by

655
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: the way, your buddy smells like a still, No, there's not.

656
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: And as they said, Miran, for all his unaccountability, did say, no,

657
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: Paul was not drunk. He said he did not smell

658
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: of liquor. Yeah, he said he wasn't showing any signs

659
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: of that. And I think, you know, the only thing

660
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: that this kind of helps to explain is you get

661
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: drunk and where someone else's clothes. I mean, you know

662
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: that's yeah, we've all done it. No, we haven't theory

663
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: poisoning of any kind, carbon monoxide and having metal poisoning meide. Now,

664
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: there is something and I don't remember what the compound

665
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: is in the medication that he would have been taking

666
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: for cholera. There is a compound in it that if

667
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: you get enough of it, it is really lethal. But

668
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: he would have had to have been taking so much

669
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: of that compound that it's obscene he would have been

670
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: having to take. I don't remember what it was. Five

671
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 1: to ten times the prescription for that to have made

672
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: him go into the state that he was founded right

673
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: back back in those days. That's a pretty questionable stuff.

674
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: And some of the like mercury, Yeah, I think that

675
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: might be what was it? It was mercury, Yeah, I

676
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: think yeah. Yeah. And so I maybe he did chug

677
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: alog his bottle of loudon um. I don't know. But well,

678
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: the other thing is that so pose hair became collector's

679
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: item directly after his death, which is actually kind of fortunate. Yeah,

680
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: it turns out it's fortunately because doctors have been able

681
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: to since then take and test his hair and they've

682
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: come up with nothing. There's nothing, there's nothing they can find.

683
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: So no and no rabies. I'm actually kind of liking rabies,

684
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: like brabies, thinking rabies makes a lot of sense. I've

685
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: never liked rabies as a disease. I don't really care

686
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: for it either. That's why you know what people go

687
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: about to say, we're raising money for cancer. I say,

688
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: good at hell, I'm not a favor of cancer. Apparently

689
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: his symptoms match. I don't buy it. How he would

690
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: have gotten it is unclear. There was no evidence to

691
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: suggest that he gotten bit by anything. One of the biggest,

692
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: most prevalent, almost every single time somebody has rabies fears

693
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: things symptoms is the fear of water, and he did

694
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: not have that. So yeah, that's the only that's the

695
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: only problem with that is, I mean, they're probably other

696
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: ways to get rabies besides just being bitten by a

697
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: dog or a bat or a rat, but rabies isn't

698
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: an immediate onset. Rabies has an incubation period of something

699
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: on the order of, if I remember correctly, four to

700
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: six weeks before you're really in the symptoms. Yeah, so

701
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: you could have gotten a rat by it, for example,

702
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: and that it had enough time to heal exactly. Yeah.

703
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: So while I again not on board with it, I'm

704
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: not going to discount it because there was no bite wound. Yeah,

705
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: I give it's the water thing for me. But you know,

706
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: say I was good. I was gonna check into the

707
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: the actual symptoms of hydrophobia because I know that hydrophobia

708
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: you're afraid of water, and I know it was drank

709
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: water while he was in the hospital, But I don't

710
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: know if hydrophobia means that you're afraid of the water

711
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: because you still have to drink water to stay alive, right,

712
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: But that's part of the problem with brabies is that

713
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: you're afraid of water and so you don't drink, and

714
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: so you start to get dehydrated. So I mean, people

715
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: won't drink. That's why they get all their fluids intervenously

716
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: when they're being treated for brabies, is you know, when

717
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: they're in the throes of it, because you can't say,

718
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: would you like a glass of water, because they freak

719
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: out and knock it out of your hand and it

720
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: scares the holy living crap out of them. Okay, but

721
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: again I don't I don't buy that one. I don't

722
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: like any Next is an illness of some kind. It's

723
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: not a tumor edition. It's speculated he could have had

724
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: the flu or had another bout of collar um. There

725
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: there's nothing to suggest the symptoms. He could have been hypoglycemic,

726
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: which I don't get because I assumed they were feeding him.

727
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 1: So if he had low blood sugar, you would think

728
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: he could have had some unknown illness like the vapors,

729
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what he could have the vapors,

730
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: and the vapors is just a term for for you know,

731
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: like like when Victorian women would like be all offended

732
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: and they act all faints and go oh my, oh

733
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: my lords, you know when they go sit on the

734
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: fainting couch, because you know that's the vapors. I think, Okay, yeah, sorry, Javin,

735
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to interrupt. I just didn't get that

736
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: could have had syphilis. I mean he could could um well,

737
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: I know that there. I mean, syphilis does lead to

738
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: insanity at the at the end, so it's entirely possible.

739
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: It seems like it came on really quickly. It seems

740
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: like he you would have been showing symptoms, although if

741
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: he had been sick and not looking well, it does

742
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: seem like it came on really quickly. Though. I if

743
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: we're going to say that it's syphilis, because we've gone

744
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: down this road, I would point have either of you

745
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: ever done any research into al capone. But oh yeah

746
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: he was a symphiletic idiot. Yeah he But but that

747
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: lasted a long time time. It wasn't as if yeah,

748
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: I've got syphilis. Oh I'm not treating. Yeah I got syphi. Listen,

749
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: whoo screwy three days later. Yeah it doesn't work. No,

750
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: you drag on for a long, long time brain. So exactly,

751
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: it's it's not an immediate killer. Yeah, I'm not liking syphilis,

752
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: don't like I don't like cephialis period. Yeah, really, why

753
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: would you? Nobody should? He could have, I guess been

754
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: epileptic as well. Explain that to me. I can't explain it.

755
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: It's just something I saw on the internet. And I

756
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: was going to scratch my head over that one. Yeah,

757
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, we're kind of doing a

758
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: list of things that aren't viable right now, aren't we

759
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: Just to just to say it, that's what. Yeah, that's what.

760
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: My mother had had epilepsy, and and she also had

761
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: brain cancer. And eventually, after the surgery and all the

762
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: radiation and everything and that they gave her, she had

763
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: a massive seizure and she was out of her mind

764
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: for several days. I mean literally, I mean it was

765
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: it was crazy. She was I was, but she wasn't

766
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: completely incoherent. I could still talk to her, but she

767
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: wasn't perceiving reality quite correctly. I mean, like, for example,

768
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: I talked I was talking to and and and she

769
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: said that the people around here are acting so strangely

770
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: because like the phone rings and I tell them that

771
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: to the phone, and they said, the phone's not ringing.

772
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: And I'm going too, you know, they're lying to me.

773
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: And I was visiting the next time, I was visiting her.

774
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: We're sitting there talking and and suddenly she says, there,

775
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: do you hear it? And she's pointing at the phone

776
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: and the phone was not ringing. Yeah. Yeah, and stuff

777
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, I can list a whole bunch

778
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: of stuff. But she eventually recovered, though she didn't just

779
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: like go down and down and down and then die

780
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: because because at the see the athletics. Yeah, I mean yeah,

781
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: she was kind of sort of out of her mind

782
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: for a few days, and then it started getting better,

783
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: and within three or four days she was she was

784
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: okay again, you know. So yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah,

785
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: so now it's illness of some kind. It's a tumor. Oh,

786
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: this is the tumor edition. This is actually, uh not

787
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: a bad one. This is the one that I'll get behind.

788
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: These next two are my two favorite, saved the best

789
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: for last. Apparently, a doctor once told Poe in his

790
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: younger years, I think in his it was a doctor

791
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: in New York, and it was in his he was

792
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: in his twenties or something like that, said that he

793
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: had a legion on his brain and that was the

794
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: root of his booze problem. How did they figure that out?

795
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, than an X ray. Maybe I

796
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: don't know what you can see and what you can't

797
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: see anywhere. Yeah, if you have like scar tissue, that's

798
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: differ I don't know. Yeah, I just don't know how

799
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: they figure out you have a legion on the brain

800
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: in eighteen thirty. So I'm just I'm just have no idea. Yeah,

801
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: because here's the thing, I'm kind of pulling a Devon

802
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: on Devon is I'm googling as we're talking, and I

803
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: knew I had heard something about this recently, which is

804
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: X rays weren't used clinically until about eighteen nine, so

805
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: it's eight it's still not something that they're doing. So

806
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: I just okay, So I don't know why how that

807
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: doctor knew. But let's just like take on faith with

808
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: the doctor knew or said, hey, there's something wrong with

809
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: your brain. It was the brain savant of something. Maybe

810
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: there were there there are ways to deduce disorders and

811
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: stuff like that from the behaviors. Sometimes you can tell

812
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: but of course, back in those days, a lot of

813
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: us still was like basically they were kind of witch doctors.

814
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if they were. They were

815
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: still bleeding people in this at that time, were they.

816
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: Some of it happened, but not nearly as much as

817
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: it had. It wasn't that much that earlier. Like George Washington,

818
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: for example, supposedly died of a cold turn in pneumonia,

819
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: but he probably actually died from because they kept bleeding him,

820
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, otherwise he would have lived a lot longer.

821
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: And that was not that long before. Yeah, that was

822
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: still around, but I don't think it was quite as

823
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: popular as it had once been. Can we start talking

824
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: about my favorite theory again? Oh? Yeah, sorry, we wouldn't

825
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: way out in the weeds, didn't we Yeah, we haven't.

826
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: We haven't discussed yet that pose body was fairly unceremoniously

827
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: dumped into a cheap coffin into an unmarked grave when

828
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: he first died, Well wasn't. It wasn't quite dumped. They

829
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: placed it in there. And yeah, he actually had a

830
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: very brief funeral. I think it lasted three menace with

831
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: seven people in attendance. Yeah, yeah, at least there's so

832
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: many millions of people who love love him now well,

833
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: and that's exactly a twenty six years later, his body

834
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: was exhumed and moved to a more permanent location with

835
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: this like huge statue or not statue, but monument. It's

836
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: a beautiful monument. Yeah, that's really pretty. You should look

837
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: up pictures if you'd like. It's the second one, you know,

838
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: the first one that they were going to put down

839
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: got destroyed by a train, right, which was crazy. Well everything, Yeah,

840
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: he didn't have a curse, and they did. Anyways, when

841
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: the crew was exhuming his body, the coffin was in

842
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: such disresp disrepair that when they went they had it

843
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: connected to some mechanism to carry it, and the coffin

844
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: just like fell apart. So Shelton obviously it was not

845
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: the soil will do that. Yeah, it wasn't in a

846
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: great shape. And one of the workers remarked, unsolicitedly remarked

847
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: that there was an odd feature of the skull, and

848
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: that was that it sounded like there was a ball

849
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: rolling around in there. And the given that this was

850
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: about the late eighteen hundreds, they said, oh, yeah, that's

851
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: just his brain. It troveled up in there. We now know,

852
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: of course, that brains don't last that long real quick.

853
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: But apparently a brain tumor can calcify after death and

854
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: would account for the sound of a ball rolling around

855
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: inside of a skull because it would be calcified, it

856
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: would be harder, it would have lasted, it would have

857
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: been in there, it would be in the skull without

858
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: a fracture or anything like that. So that could account

859
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: for that sound. It could account for a lot of

860
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: his behavior, could account for his swift decline, his inability

861
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: to be treated. I get I personally put a lot

862
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: of stock into the idea that Poe had a brain

863
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: cancer of some kind. I know Joe has briefly talked about,

864
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: you know, having family that had brain cancer, and I've

865
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: seen it too, and it's amazing how someone can operate

866
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: and operate and operate and seem completely okay, and then

867
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: just one day it you know that whatever the cancer

868
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: maybe shorts the circuit, to put it kind of in

869
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: a general phrase, and it just shuts everything down and

870
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: send somebody downhill quite rapidly. Damn it. Actually, though, a

871
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: tumor probably depending on what part of the brain it's in,

872
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: I mean you'll feel the effects of it for a

873
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: long time. I mean, and they'll continually build. But he

874
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: may have been suffering, for it's possible that he had

875
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: been suffering from years. You know, he he was having attacks,

876
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: He wasn't a very well man. He had bouts of

877
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: time where it was better and bouts of time that

878
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: it was worse, which I think is typical of kind

879
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: of a long term illness like that you kind of

880
00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: get better and you get worse, and you get better

881
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: get worse. So I don't know, it's it's not as

882
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: though we have any evidence to suggest that he wasn't

883
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: suffering migraines and headaches and delusions and whatever else. The

884
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: things that that I I really find horrifying in the

885
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: whole story is of course, the lack of records of

886
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: oh when he was in the hospital, because if there

887
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: had been any kind of written accounting of his actions

888
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: and his behaviors other than this kind of I'm going

889
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: to use the word anecdotal recollections of the of Miran,

890
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: then that might lead us to know a little more,

891
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: have have better better ideas. I mean, there's there's things

892
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: that people in that condition do. I don't know if

893
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: you guys have ever heard of things like terminal agitation,

894
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: which is it turns out kind of a related or

895
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: a common thing with with can't of the brain, where

896
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: somebody's just constantly moving and doing stuff. And so it's

897
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: it's like, if we had that kind of record, we

898
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: might be able to say, oh, yeah, we've seen that

899
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: over the last hundred and fifty years and categorized it.

900
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: But unfortunately I just don't have it. And the ball

901
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: rolling around in his in his skull, can I just say,

902
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: is not indicative to me of brain cancer. That sounds

903
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: more like a clod of dirt. I'm I'm just gonna

904
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: say it still is not going to roll around and rattle.

905
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: It's going to disintegrate. But I don't care what it is.

906
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: A chunk of earth of some sort is in the

907
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: skull where I But I still I get behind the

908
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: cancer theory because that's the one that explains to me

909
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: why he switched so quick and went downhill. That's one

910
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: of my favorite theories. The next to my favorite theories

911
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 1: is murder. As we previously alluded to, it turns out Sarah,

912
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: his at that point fiance, was quite wealthy, which we

913
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: started talk about she also had three brothers. Yeah, I don't.

914
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: I think they were younger than her, because I think

915
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: that she had all the money, she was in charge

916
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: of all the money, and that they were in risk

917
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 1: of using a lot of the money if she married

918
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: Poe or something of that natural nature. The theory goes

919
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: that Poe was threatened by the three brothers in Philadelphia,

920
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: and he was so frightened that he disguised himself for

921
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: a week and hidden Baltimore to throw them off the trail.

922
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: It didn't work, of course, he was intercepted by the brothers.

923
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: He was beaten or else wise incapacitated, forced to drink

924
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: which they knew would kill him, and left for dead.

925
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: Why didn't he use the sword cane? Well, that I mean,

926
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the other things. Is this

927
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: is one of This is literally the only theory that

928
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: addresses the fact that he seemingly purposefully took a weapon

929
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: with him the night before he left on the train.

930
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: So I think it's at least fun to think about.

931
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: Maybe their brothers had threatened him just verbally before, so

932
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: he thought, oh I need to protect myself. I'm going

933
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: to take this cane with a sword in it wasn't.

934
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: One of the only things that he still had on

935
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: his person that was his was the cane. He still

936
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: had the cane when they found him, so he ditched

937
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: his fancy clothes. I was wearing the palm hat I

938
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 1: think they called it in raggedy coat, like a straw

939
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: hat and raggy coat. But he still had the sword cane. Ye, yeah,

940
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: but why didn't you buy a gun? He was broke,

941
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: he was super broke. I don't know. I think that's

942
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: a fun theory. I don't know if it's the one

943
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: that I necessarily to believe the most, but I definitely

944
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: think it's fun. It's also possible that, you know, he

945
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: was kept in communicado in the hospital, so there's another

946
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: couple of ways to look at it. And maybe the

947
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: brothers paid off paid off the doctor, and there, you know,

948
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: then I've already even paid the doctor to poison him,

949
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: overdose him, something like that on lauding him. It's always possible.

950
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: And then uh, you know, and then just the doctor

951
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: made up this whole story about even though he was

952
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: completely loose, it doctor made up this huge story about

953
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: how he was just out of his mind and raving

954
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: the entire time when actually he wasn't right, It's possible,

955
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: It's always possible. I I also wonder if, well, let's

956
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: just not say necessarily that it was the Brothers that

957
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: beat the holy crap out. I mean, but he he

958
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: got clubbed by somebody or something. You could well, he

959
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: could have been mugged, but I'm not. I'm not gonna

960
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: infer what caused the beating. But if it is possible

961
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: to get whacked in the head hard enough to cause bleeding,

962
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: that doesn't leave a giant crater in the skull. And yeah,

963
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: and it may have been that, you know, the the

964
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: Miran just didn't do a very thorough exam, or maybe

965
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: it had been a day or two and so the

966
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: swelling on the outside of his skull had gone down,

967
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: So we just didn't know. I will lend credence to

968
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: the beating of some sort I I don't think it

969
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: was this the brothers that just it seems too convenient.

970
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: Can we talk about how convenient pose life was, though,

971
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it was so tragic and it's like you

972
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: can't make it up. It's so good anyways, that that

973
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: would be the perfect end to an otherwise very tragic

974
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: life of a man who's just obsessed with tragedy, so

975
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: very at the very least it's nice and romantic and

976
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: poetic ending to his life. Well, that he was beaten,

977
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: senseless murdered over the woman. Yeah, or you know, but

978
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: but that leads me to my just another theory I'm

979
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: gonna throw out there, which is that perhaps Poe was

980
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: feeling that he kind of the words on, he kind

981
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: of shot his wad. Perhaps he was having writer's writer's block,

982
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: Perhaps he felt his best days were behind him, and

983
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: so after this episode and it sounds like he had

984
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: these episodes. He winds up in the hospital where he

985
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: spent several days with the doctor. He tells the doctor

986
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: that he doesn't want visitors, and at the end of

987
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: it all, he tells he asked the doctor to help

988
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: him fake his desk, so they find an average substitute

989
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: for his and he goes off and runs away and

990
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: joins the circus and changes his name because he likes

991
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: to change his name. So and that would explain, that

992
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: would explain a lot of stuff. He just you know,

993
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: he just left Grolan. Poe could have gone just gone

994
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: out to somewhere. Maybe he went out west and he

995
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: became a cowboy. Possible suicide is also possible, So I'm

996
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: actually really liking Joe's theory. Edgar Allan, Edgar Allan, Poe

997
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: rides off into the sunset. That's pretty awesome to me.

998
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm going to get behind that one. We

999
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: can end on that note. Okay, that's fine. Yeah, and

1000
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: then it eventually meets up with John Wayne and they

1001
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: shoot a lot of people and uh and they russell

1002
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: cattle or no excuse me, they shoot rustlers and they

1003
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: heard cattle. Okay, yeah, yeah, all right, girl on. Poe

1004
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: rides off into the sunset. All right, good, well, uh,

1005
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: you want to talk about aliens? No, okay, all right.

1006
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: You can find some links about this episode on our website.

1007
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: That website is thinking Sideways podcast dot com. You might

1008
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,200
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1009
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1010
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1011
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1012
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1013
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1014
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Speaker 1: one we always mentioned, but I know there are a

1015
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,480
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1016
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1017
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,040
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1018
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1020
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1023
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1026
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: Steve says, I think we're gonna get out of here.

1027
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:05,000
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