1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: There we go ring the bell. 2 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 2: Ts taking stock and guessing another New York Stock exchange 3 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: company going public. That's what they usually do when they're 4 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: on that balcony at Broad End Wall in New York 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: Stock Exchange folks. Interesting day, very quiet in the market, 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: says all eyes were on DC. This is the day 7 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: people were waiting to see what's going to go on 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: with the big meeting with Voladimir Zelenski and President Trump 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: and the other seven or eight world leaders, global leaders 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: at the White House today. A lot of traders on 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: the side. Also, there's a big, big, big event happening Friday. 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: Expect Friday to be a big monster move for the markets. 13 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: You may see quiet markets jockeyingling back and forth between 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: up and down for the way, but Friday will be 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: the big cahuna win. Jerome Powell makes some comments from 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: a summit out west, and that will tell you the 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: direction of interest rates likely going forward. That we'll dictate 18 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: where prices are going right now. Dow Jones down a 19 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 2: little bit, couple thirty points or so, SMP almost flat, man, 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: look at less than half a dollar difference. NAS Deck 21 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 2: up five a touch. A couple of other markets we've 22 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 2: been watching. Importantly, oil oils up a little bit more again, 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: another fifty cents a barrel, up to sixty three and 24 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: a half. I want to get down under sixty. Get 25 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: down under sixty. Get ghasoline under two dollars and fifty 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 2: cents a gallon nationally will be much much stronger as 27 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: an economy. Gold playing around the thirty seven thirty eight 28 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: hundred ems ry thirty three seventy five thirty three eighty level, 29 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: still very very strong. And Crypto, boy, that was really strange. 30 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: So Friday, Crypto got a little bit weaker over the weekend. 31 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: It was kind of holding its own around one hundred 32 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 2: and eighteen hundred and seventeen thousand. I watched it this 33 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: morning early this morning, like four in the morning. Bitcoin 34 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: dropped one hundred and fourteen, almost one hundred and thirteen thousand, 35 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: and then, uh, for whatever reason, kind of recovered a 36 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: bit two hundred and sixteen, maybe even pushing one hundred 37 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: and seventeen thousand. You're looking at ethereum right there, Ethereum 38 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: at forty three fifty nine as we speak right now. 39 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: Solana one hundred and sixty three x RP guys held 40 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: its own three oh eight held its own big SI 41 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: relief in the control room. All right, President has been busy, 42 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: has been busy in Washington, DC today hosting Ukrainian President 43 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: Voladimir Zelenski and other European leaders. So let's get our 44 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: get right to our chief re rab Chief White House Corps, 45 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: spond it mister Blank, Brian Glenn for what happened today, 46 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: and Bran congratulations. You got a couple of questions in there. 47 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: We had a lot of fun. I'll tell you what 48 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: before we get into it. This is a this is 49 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 2: a great I love this interchange routine. Think what's going 50 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: on our own Brian Glenn, have an interchange with a 51 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: world leader Zelenski and President Trump. This is wild, folks. 52 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 3: Watch. Yeah, I've got a question for each almost President Zelenski, 53 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 3: you love fabulous in that suit. I said, yeah, look 54 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 3: you look good. 55 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 2: I said the same thing, Yeah, I said, the one 56 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: that attacked you last year. I remember, Yeah, I apologize 57 00:02:59,480 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: to you. 58 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: Look you look wonderful. No, my first question for you 59 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 3: President in the same suit, I changed. 60 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 4: Uh. 61 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: We got a little uh, you got a little bromance 62 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 2: going on there with the the president of Ukraine. Brian Uh, Yeah, good, good, good. Comeback, yeah, 63 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:20,119 Speaker 2: come back. 64 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll give him some credit. He came up with 65 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: a good one. And I think it was a very 66 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 3: lighthearted exchange, very different eric than the first meeting that 67 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 3: Zelensky had in the White House. But yes, I had to, Uh, 68 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: I had to go ahead and compliment the President Zelensky 69 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 3: on his attire and uh, and you know, of course 70 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: he had some fun poking uh with me by which, 71 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: by the way, for the record, this is not the 72 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: same suit I was wearing, having multiple blue toned suits. 73 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: But uh, it was a great joke. And you know, 74 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: I've had a lot of media here. Uh pulled me 75 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: aside and said, you know, is that the same suit? 76 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: Is he right? 77 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 3: I said, look, he's are you mad? What's your comment? 78 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: I said, man, we're having some fun. I'm just glad 79 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: he's in there negotiating for peace really with the President. 80 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: And I think today was a very different Zelenski Mombasaul 81 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 3: back in February, that. 82 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: Was a class act by you not calling out Zelensky 83 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: for saying, oh no, it's a different too. And Trump 84 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: loved it. You saw Trump very happy. But let's talk 85 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 2: a little bit about that. So the demeanor obviously in 86 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: that moment right there was positive. They're laughing, a little jocular, 87 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: hitting each other on the back. 88 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 3: A little bit. 89 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: Kind of felt the way Putin and Trump were kind 90 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: of smacking each other on the shoulder in the back 91 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: on Friday as well in Alaska. Then they went to 92 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: the multilateral meeting with all the other European leaders at 93 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: the table, it seemed I don't know, it just seems 94 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 2: like we're going to get something there. But again, when 95 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: you get down to it, Brian, they still Putin still 96 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: wants that portion of Ukraine, the Crimea plus the other 97 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: portion of Ukraine, and Zelenzia said, We're not going to 98 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 2: give it up at all at any cost. Is there 99 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 2: a deal to be had? 100 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 3: You think, yeah, that's a great point. I don't know. Uh, 101 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: they're still the Easteram right now meeting, and then they 102 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 3: were going to join again in the in the Oval 103 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 3: Office and Trump was going to make that call to 104 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 3: President Putin and maybe come up with some type of solution. 105 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: But your to your tier point. I don't know where 106 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 3: we go from here. But it was a very unified 107 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 3: table though. Matter of fact, one of the one of 108 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 3: the people there even said it's it's Europe. It's all 109 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 3: Europe in the US coming together, uh for the same calls. 110 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 3: We all want peace, and of course I think that 111 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 3: is the ultimate goal, but we are missing one person 112 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 3: in here that ultimately can veto all of this, and 113 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 3: that is putin Uh. But we'll see how that phone 114 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: call goes a little bit later. But the one my 115 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: biggest takeaway Eric from the from the Oval office is 116 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: that it was a very different situation. If you remember 117 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: last time, you had Vice President jad Vance jumping in 118 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: there and saying if I can't mister President for just 119 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: a second and calling Zelensky out for kind of grand 120 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 3: standing in front of the media, and that really sent 121 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: the meetings south. Well, I think it went south a 122 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 3: lot earlier than that. But different tone today and a 123 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 3: very different Zelensky today that we saw. And I think 124 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 3: President Trump was in an excellent mood. I mean, he's 125 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 3: got a lot on his plate right now, think about 126 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: all this stuff domestically that's going on, and then at 127 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 3: the same time, he's trying to solve a major war 128 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 3: between two countries. So I think it was a very 129 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: polished President Trump, a very polished and disciplined Zelensky, which 130 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: led to the tone today which hopefully they'll conclude here 131 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 3: shortly and we'll have some type of next step, which 132 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: could be as soon as Friday. I've been told if 133 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 3: everything goes to plan. 134 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 2: High the end of the way, White House keeps telling us, 135 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: if there's something to talk about with Putin and Zelenski 136 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: together trilaterally, it could happen as soon as this week. 137 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: About a minute or so. Brian questions. There are two 138 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 2: sides of the debate of why the European Union basically 139 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: came along. On one side, they say, well, Zelensky brought him 140 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: along for support in case he got attacked by Trump, 141 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: and the other side says it shows that Trump has 142 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: been working with the Europeans to bring Zelensky to the table, 143 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: maybe to get us not just a ceasefire, but ask 144 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: actually a piece agreement. What do you think? What do 145 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: you what was the impetus for the Europeans to be there. 146 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 3: I think it's the second reason. I don't think Trump. 147 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 3: I don't think Trump needs anybody to He could take 148 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 3: a ball down by himself. He does Zelensky might need 149 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: some help. But I think it's the other I think 150 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: it shows that that President Truman has the ability to 151 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 3: reach out to all these world leaders, get him here 152 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: on such a short notice, and let's come up with 153 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: the plan. So I don't think they were there to 154 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 3: basically back up Zelensky, because if that's the case, then 155 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: you know, Trump can take on all the world leaders 156 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: at once. That's that's how powerful that man is. But 157 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: I do think it's kind of a flex to say, look, 158 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 3: you know we're gonna get this still done. I'm gonna 159 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 3: reach out and have all these several world leaders, six 160 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: of them, and we're gonna come to the table. We're 161 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: gonna get it done. I think I just think the 162 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: next step is getting putin at that table. And President 163 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: Trump even said to President Zelensky, Hey, if you need 164 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: me to come, I will. I will come and support 165 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 3: you on that. And I think that it will happen. 166 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: I do think Trump will be a part of that 167 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: last negotiation for sure. 168 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: Great, great right, Brian, Really good to have you. If 169 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: something happens next whatever fifty fifty two minutes or so, 170 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: you jump back and let us know, appreciate your time. 171 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: Great reporting, Brian, as always, Yeah, we'll do all right, folks. 172 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: Let's go to the executive director for the Foundation for 173 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: Freedom Online, and he's here to discuss what happened at 174 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: the Trump Putin meeting in Alaska and also why Zelenski 175 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: is in Washington today. Again, let's have Mike bentz Way 176 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: in on why the European leaders. So Trump goes to 177 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: meet Putin in Alaska bilaterally, but this is a multilateral 178 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: meeting here in DC with Zelenski. Who are they backing? Mike? 179 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: Who's side are the European kiir, Starmer, McCrone and Maloney. 180 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 2: What are they there for? 181 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 4: Well, they're there for the European donor set, the hedge funds, 182 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 4: the private equity funds, the alternative asset managers who all 183 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 4: have billions of dollars of investments in Ukraine and Eurasia. 184 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 4: They are very squarely on team Zelenski here and have 185 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 4: been since since, well before the twenty twenty two affair 186 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 4: popped off. The issue that Trump is running into is 187 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 4: that Ukraine is losing on the battlefield and there's no 188 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 4: real way to stop the bleeding in terms of land 189 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 4: loss other than peace. But they don't want peace on 190 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 4: Putin's terms. They don't want to have to concede land 191 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 4: in the Donbass. They don't want to have to concede Crimea. 192 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 4: I mean, really, this is all downstream of the unfortunate 193 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 4: decision of the Obama administration to overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected 194 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 4: government in twenty fourteen and were this is now eleven 195 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 4: years into this. But what did the foreign policy establishment 196 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 4: expect when you topple a government in a coup and 197 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 4: then half of the half of the country does not 198 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 4: want to respect the new coup government. You either have 199 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 4: to rule by totalitarian force and bloodshed, which is what 200 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 4: was done. Between twenty fourteen and twenty twenty two. Ukraine's 201 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 4: military killed about thirty five thousand people in eastern Ukraine 202 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 4: with US weapons and Canadian and UK special forces on 203 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 4: the ground, and Russia stepped in and they've now declared 204 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 4: some of this land there's including especially Crimea. But Europe 205 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 4: wants to stop Trump from agreeing to a peace steal 206 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 4: that includes giving up that land. And Trump is in 207 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 4: a very difficult place because what can he really offer. Putin, 208 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 4: all he can really offer is his word that the UK, 209 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 4: that the US will not back Ukraine being folded into NATO, 210 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 4: that the US will not breach the terms of the ceasefire. 211 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 4: But what good is that really worth when behind Trump 212 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 4: America policy? 213 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 2: And it is important. There's a really important discussion I 214 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: want to have with you. We're gonna hold you over 215 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: the break for the second block and very extremely important. 216 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: We heard from Witkough over the weekend on Sunday shows. 217 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about it. But do you 218 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: get the sense Trump one point zero Trump in twenty 219 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 2: sixteen to twenty twenty, he couldn't stand NATO, He didn't 220 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 2: like anything about them. They didn't like him. And now 221 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 2: this is a different Trump NATO relationship. Are we at risk? 222 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: And I say at risk because I hate this idea? 223 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: Are we at risk of becoming a little too close 224 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: bed partners with NATO again in the US and god forbid, 225 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: maybe even talking about Ukraine entering into NATO. 226 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 4: Well, Trump has a very strange relationship with NATO in 227 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: both now and in the first term. While you're correct 228 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 4: that Trump sort of campaigned on flirting with fundamentally renegotiating 229 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 4: or even leaving parts of the NATO relationship. Even during 230 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 4: Trump won, he was campaigning on getting more money to NATO. 231 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 4: He was campaigning on getting all the countries to fulfill 232 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 4: their two percent GDP commitments, and so even though he 233 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 4: was sort of campaigning on it and tried to pressure 234 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 4: NATO to reduce its jurisdictional mandate, he was still pumping 235 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 4: it up financially. And you see that same sort of 236 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 4: continuation in the relationship today, where he's still calling it 237 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 4: appears publicly there's always a little bit forty chess to 238 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 4: what Trump is doing, but publicly it does appear that 239 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 4: he is sort of reigning in NATO maximalism visa v Ukraine, 240 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 4: which I think is part of why he had a 241 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 4: one off, separate discussion with Putin. But at the same 242 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 4: time he's pressuring NATO member countries to pay more and 243 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 4: more to NATO. So it's sort of arming a beast 244 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 4: and putting it on steroids while while telling it to 245 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 4: stay in the house. So it's a very strange, strange relationship. 246 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, I just want to I want to. I 247 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: want to hold you over because there's a very important question. 248 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: Steve Witkoff was on with Margaret Brennan on CBS on 249 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 2: Sunday Show CBS, and he said that the US has 250 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: offered Article five like security protections for Ukraine really caught 251 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 2: my ear when I heard that, and I want to 252 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: let's talk about the implications of that when we come 253 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: right back in two and a half minutes.