WEBVTT - Bonus Episode: 1994. We Didn’t Know How Good We Had It 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.800 Hey, discos, need a little more disgrace Land in your life, 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:08.039 just to touch, to get you through. Yeah, me too. 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:11.920 This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:30.600 to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.000 a little thing we like to call the after party. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.479 This is the show after the show, people, the party 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:37.040 after the party. The bridge to get you from one 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:39.800 full episode of disgrace Land to the other. The backyard, 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.440 to dig into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:44.519 to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. Of this 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.800 bonus episode, Weezer's so called blue album The Glorious Year 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.600 for Music That nineteen ninety four was a bunch of 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.240 stuff about pulp fiction that you probably didn't know. Plus 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:58.560 your voicemails, texts, emails, comments, dms, and as always, a 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.680 whole lot of rosie. This is podcast for the musically obsessed, 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.319 the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.120 history is the history that gets buried. Disgrace Land is 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:09.360 where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:11.360 kind that you'll end up telling to someone else. All right, 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:24.520 disc goes, Let's get into it. What's with these homies 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.280 this and my Girl. Why do they get a front? 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:29.920 Or is it? Why do they have to front? Did 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:34.160 he use proper English there? I don't know. We laughed 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.600 at that Weezer lyric now, and I guess we kind 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:39.560 of laughed at it back in nineteen ninety four when 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.679 it was released, when it smacked us in the face 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:46.039 as the opening line from the band's Buddy Holly single. 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:49.400 I didn't take Weezer seriously at the time. I took 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.360 them and the Blue album. I took the band and 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.600 the album for granted, I really did. And it wasn't 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:01.040 until their follow up in nineteen ninety six, until Pinkerton, 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:03.840 that I started to think of Weezer as a real band, 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.760 at least a band that I was interested in. And 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.280 the irony is that that was kind of the point 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:13.760 of Pinkerton, Rivers Cuomo. He wanted to be thought of 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.960 as a real artist, somebody akin to Kurt Cobain, and 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.919 when he made Pinkerton, that helped him achieve that goal. 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:25.320 But he ended up distancing himself from that album. There's 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.640 the irony. He dismissed it for a bunch of different reasons, 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:30.560 but it was a commercial flop, and it was a 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:34.120 huge departure from the Blue Album. But that Blue Album 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.080 was the album that caused us in the first place 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.040 to not take him seriously, which is the thing that 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.520 he was trying to correct with Pinkerton. I don't know, 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.800 it's all very confusing. He's since come around on Pinkerton 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.120 sort of. There's a bunch of conflicting comments out there, 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.040 but I believe deep down Rivers Cuomo knows what a 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:53.040 great album that is. But for me, Weezer never really 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.720 recovered after that, and being from Boston, being part of 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.920 the rock scene back then, we had a direct connection 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.520 to Weezer all of a sudden because of bass player 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:06.000 Mikey Welch, who was well known around town, and he 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:11.840 became the bass player for Weezer after Pinkerton. But you know, 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.880 the stuff they released afterward, I don't know. It just it. 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.400 I don't dislike Weezer, but I'm not running to listen 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.400 to their albums unless it's Pinkerton or even the Blue Album. 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.480 The Blue Album is the album in my house that 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:26.959 my kids and my wife love, and I lose the 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:29.679 Pinkerton argument every time. But that's not really the point. 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:30.960 I want to make. The point I want to make 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.880 is that nowadays it's weird to think that we had 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:39.240 the luxury of dismissing an album as great as the 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:43.280 Blue Album. Back in nineteen ninety four, we did not 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.800 know how good we had it when it came to music, 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:48.800 when it came to culture in general, but especially when 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:50.800 it came to music in nineteen ninety four. Nineteen ninety 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:55.000 four was a banger of a year for music releases, 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.080 but so it was basically every year during the nineties, 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:01.120 but ninety four in particular ninety one as well, but 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:06.720 really ninety four, it's just it's unbelievable. Check these records out. 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.520 These were full lengths that were released in nineteen ninety four. 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:14.000 Definitely Maybe by Oasis, Grace by Jeff Buckley, Dookie by 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:18.880 Green Day, Ill Communication by Beastie Boys, Vitology by Pearl Jam, 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:22.800 Ready to Die by Notorious Big, super Unknown Soundgarden, Park 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:26.640 Life by Blur, Mellow Gold by Beck Bad Religion, Stranger 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.080 Than Fiction, Roman, Candle by Elliott Smith, Illmatic by Nas, 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.440 Sick of It All, Scratched the Surface, Nirvana, MTV Unplug, 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.040 Shellac At Action Park, Tori Amos Came at us under 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:38.960 the Pink. I think that's our debut album or a 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.000 second album. I don't know, but that's the one with 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.800 Cornflake Girl. I believe Grandly Buffalo, Mighty Joe Moon, great album, 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.279 not super well known, but great, TLC Crazy, Sexy Cool, 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:53.440 Huge Record, Huge hits, nine inch Nails, Downward, Spiralrim Monster, 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:57.760 Tom Petty, Wildflowers, Mad Ball, Set It Off, Purple by Stone, 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.080 Tumble Pilots, The Jesus Lizards rerec Down came out. I 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.080 think I saw them in ninety four. Lu's just Jackson, 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:09.000 Natural Ingredients, Regulate the gfunk Eraby Warren g Sonic Youth, Experimental, 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.400 jet Set, Trash and No Star Kaias Welcome to Sky Valley. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.080 We love that album. That was the precursor to Queens 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:18.720 of the Stone Age. Crooked Rain. Crooked Rain by Pavement, Portishead, 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.880 Dummy Drive Like Jay Hu Yank Crime. If you don't 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.560 know that album, go check it out. Backbeat came out 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:28.839 with an excellent soundtrack with a supergroup. The Crow soundtrack 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.479 was from nineteen ninety four. A Whole Lived Through This 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:35.039 Sunny Day Real Estate Diary, Nick Cave and the Bad 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.360 Seas Let Love in Wait by Rollins Band. I didn't 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:42.080 love all of these albums when they came out. Some 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:46.839 I've grown to appreciate over time, but I can confidently 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:50.000 say that they were all on my radar and I 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.120 was into most of them when they were released. In 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.440 nineteen ninety four, I lived with a bunch of roommates. 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.279 We were all huge music fans, too many roommates to count, 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:02.560 and the shitty little, literally rat infested basement apartment on 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.920 Huntington Avenue and Bostons. While I was going to Northeastern, 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.479 we were within walking distance to Newbury Street, so Newbury 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.120 Comics was there, Tower Records on the corner of Newbury, 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:16.000 Mass have And I can attest that nearly every one 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.799 of these records on CD, every one of these albums 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.520 on CD at least, was either physically purchased by myself 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.599 and or my roommates, or was in our radar, you 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.560 know what I mean. We had access to all of 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.760 this music in the year that it was released nineteen 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.080 ninety four. I didn't love all of it, obviously, I 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:41.880 wasn't buying TLC albums, but those singles were everywhere, for example, 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.480 and I didn't hate them, you know what I mean? 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.760 I didn't hate on THLC. Now I hear those singles 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.760 and I'm blown away by how great they are. And again, 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.560 how I just dismissed it. This is crazy to me. 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:57.800 And a lot of this stuff, you know, a lot 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:02.040 of these artists that I just mentioned, some of the stuff. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.520 If I tried playing it in that apartment I'm talking about, 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:06.760 I'd get my ass turn up for listening to it. 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:11.280 Because music was hotly debated, bands fell in and out 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:14.440 of favor with every release, with every video, with basically 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:18.400 every move they made. For example, I loved that third 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.800 Pro Jam record, Vitology, but this is the third Pearl 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:30.640 Jam album. The second Pearl Jam album was a monster record, monster, huge, huge. 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.000 You could just walk around Boston and you would just 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:38.480 hear that album playing from windows. It was absolutely massive. 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.360 So by the time the third record comes out, I mean, 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.120 we were sick. I was sick of Pearl Jam by 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.960 ten basically, but I still it was so overplayed that 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.440 first album. But I still liked the band. My friend's 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.880 on the other hand, it was way uncool to like 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.239 Pearl Jam by the third record. It was definitely uncool 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.320 to like Pearl Jam. They were just you know, a 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:02.960 less cool version of Soundgarden, who we thought was beyond cool. 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.760 They were darker than Pearl Jam, their singer was just 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:09.400 as talented, they were heavier. But you know, I didn't 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.840 love super Unknown, the album that came out in nineteen 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:13.680 ninety four, as much as I love Bad motor Finger. 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:15.640 I still listen to Bad motor Finger. My neighbors can 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.600 attest to that. It's one of my favorite driving records. 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.400 I pull onto my street pretty much once a week 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.960 with Bad motor Finger blaring from my car windows. Great 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.120 driving records, one of my favorite driving records. It's interesting 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:31.600 for me to think about these albums from the perspective 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:36.480 of two of our greatest intellectuals and music scholars from 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.920 the nineties, Beavis and butt Head. Now their takes on 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.240 these artists still to this day crack me up. They're 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:48.280 exaggerated takes, obviously, but they're they're rooted in fact, and 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.920 they're exaggerated takes on what my friends that I really 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.800 thought about these artists, Soundgarden, the Butthole Surfers, Jesus Lizard, 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.680 Yes Please Yes, as Beavis and butthead We'll tell you 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.920 over and over again. Now Osbourne duetting with Leeda Ford, 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:07.319 not so much. We're Good nineteen ninety four was so good, 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:11.280 so good for music. So much went on too, I mean, 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:15.520 Kirk Comyine died. Oj Simpson took us on a wild 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:20.000 ride and his wife Bronco Nancy Kerrigan, a Northeastern University alum. 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.000 By the way, she got her knee popped ninety four 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.480 by Tanya Harding and her Thugs friends appeared for the 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.319 first time on television. Gave us something to look at 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:32.040 on Thursday nights. After Seinfeld, there was a massive earthquake. 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.439 People don't understand how big this earthquake was. It killed 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.640 a ton of people, like almost sixty people in southern California. 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:42.760 Michael Jordan started playing baseball. Pulp Fiction was released, and 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:44.720 so it was its soundtrack, and all of a sudden 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.960 we all liked cool in the gang. Bill Hicks died. Yes, 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.439 we were under Bill Hickson. Nineteen ninety four. Bill Hicks died. 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.880 Jim Carrey was everywhere in ninety four. He had like 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:57.000 eight hundred movies that year. Jenny McCarthy, who I don't 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:00.160 think yet was with Jim Carrey, but she was on 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.360 the cover of Playboy ninety four. Reality Bites was a 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:06.640 lame version of all of us that we all pretended 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:08.840 to hate but we secretly loved. Clerks was a worse 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.320 version of us that we all pretended to like more 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:15.000 than we liked Reality Bites. I guess my point is 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:18.640 that there was so much awesomeness going on back in 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:23.439 nineteen ninety four, and all of it had the potential 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.760 to distract me from the awesomeness that was going on 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:32.440 on Weezer's blue album Happy Days. Spoofs you know, kind 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.880 of funny but didn't really rate. And then Pinkerton, like 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.760 I said, opened my eyes. But it wasn't until a 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.679 couple of years later. That record was released in ninety 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:45.199 six and was radically different, radically different, And even though 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.000 that was the album that Rivers Cuomo set out to make, 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.120 and that album in a way did what he wanted 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:55.199 it to do, again, he's got so many conflicting comments 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:59.599 and thoughts about what I believe to be Weezer's best album, 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.679 not to mention a bunch of weird comments and actions 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:04.640 as well, which you can hear all about in this 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.920 week's new disgrace Land episode on Wheezer coming up next 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.480 to Disgraceland coming up in the feed next right after 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.040 this episode is going to be our archive episode on 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.440 Aaliyah speaking of the nineties and her illegal marriage to 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.560 r Kelly and her the mystery around her death. That's 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.000 coming this Sunday, and then on Tuesday, We've got our 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:26.880 new episode on Adele. Adele's album twenty one. It's sold 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:31.760 like seventeen billion copies, actually, no seventeen million, but it 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.240 feels like I just one of the biggest selling albums 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:39.480 and I don't own it. I'm not one of those 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:43.160 who bought it. I don't dislike Adele, but I'm not 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.960 running to listen to Adele or to go to her shows. 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.679 I like her more as a personality. I think she's 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.640 hot shit, and she's obviously tremendous talented, and honestly, if 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:54.400 she put her stuff out in ninety four, I probably 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:58.040 own the album, you know, but I don't. I'm one 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:00.439 of the few, I guess who doesn't know. And I 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.000 do have like seven copies of Frampton Comes Alive by 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.400 Peter Frampton does another one of those records that for 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:12.840 its time sold a gazillion copies. Which massive selling album 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.400 do you guys just not care about? Don't vibe with? 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.040 Is it thriller? I don't know anything? By the Beatles? 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.079 Abbey Road, let it be Exile on mainStreet by the 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.079 Rolling Stones might be my favorite album of all time. 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.480 You might hate it. It's largely considered to be the 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.840 Stone's greatest. I don't think it's their their biggest seller. 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:39.280 But my point is which top selling albums? Oasis definitely, 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:43.959 maybe Nirvana, never mind? Do you just not care about? 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:45.600 That's gonna be the question of the week next week 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.120 as we dive into Adell. It's gonna be a great episode. 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.400 Adele is fascinated with true crime, and because of that 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:56.520 we got a really interesting entry into Adell's story. Can't 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.200 wait for you to hear it. Six one seven nine 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:00.719 six six six three eight, be a call, leave me 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.040 a voicemail, Hit me up on text with your answer 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.439 to the question of the week? Which massive selling album? 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.440 Do you not have any your collection because you know 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.360 you just don't care? Disgrace Lampod on the Socials. Disgrace 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.640 Sampod at gmail dot com if you want to email 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.120 me now. I mentioned pulp fiction earlier and in the 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.439 exclusive section of this after Party. Uh Doctor Lundy and 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.640 I are going to take you deeper into nineteen ninety 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.640 four and discuss some of the weirdness connected to pulp fiction. 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:29.080 For example, did you know that Tarantino wrote the Bruce 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.640 Willis part for Matt Dylon. Okay, I did not know that. 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:35.200 There's a lot I didn't know about this movie. And 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:40.040 I love this movie. This movie, it was so ubiquitous 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.040 and it still kind of is in culture and in 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.199 history that it feels weird to get out there and 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.200 champion it. You know what I mean. It's like again, 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.400 I bring up the Beatles, like Champion into the Beatles. 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.559 You know, they don't need any more champions. It's good, 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.480 They're good. You know this movie's good. Everyone knows. It's 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.360 fucking great change the game. But still, there's so much 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.200 to this movie that I did not know about a 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.240 lot of weirdness. Zeth and I are gonna be diving 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.599 into it in the exclusive section of this episode. Go 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.040 to disgraceandpod dot com to become an all access member 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:13.439 of Disgraceland to unlock this exclusive content and add free listening. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:15.679 All right, I'm gonna take a quick break. I'll be 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.920 back in a flash right after this with your voicemails, texts, emails, 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:40.120 dms and more. All right, guys, I'm backing them in 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.000 the phone, but it's the one across the hall. I'm 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.360 hanging on the telephone six one seven nine oh six 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:46.920 six six three eight. You want to give me a call, 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.360 I want to send me a text about anything, any 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.600 subject under the great blue sky. Last week we talked 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.360 a lot about great punk albums. It was in reaction 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:59.400 to Rolling Stones list of the one hundred greatest punk 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:03.440 rock albums. We're talking about records that are punk but 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.640 aren't by punk artists, all that stuff. Steve hits us 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:07.960 on this from Toronto. 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.520 Hey, Jake, Steve from Toronto here, just want to comment 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:15.360 on your punk albums that are punk but are punk, 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:16.000 that are punk. 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:18.240 I kind of feel like. 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.640 I'm cheating with this one. But nineteen eighty eight, it 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:23.680 takes a nation of millions to hold us back by 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:27.040 public enemy. I don't know if it gets more punk 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:32.240 than that, that's not punk, So yeah, that's my I'm 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:32.760 throwing that. 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:34.840 One into the proverbial ring. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:36.560 There takes nations of millions to. 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.280 Hold us back by the great public Enemy. 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.880 Nineteen eighty eight. 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:44.480 Steve You're absolutely right. Doesn't get much more subversive, doesn't 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.160 get much more hard hitting than it takes a Nation 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.000 of millions to hold Us back by Public Enemy. And 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:54.440 I actually think that record for me, I believe it's 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.920 Public Enemy's second album, full length, right second. Yeah, that 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.440 was my introduction and I was just just kind of 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.720 catching up with who Public Enemy was by the time. 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.800 The Fight the Power single came out after that record 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.880 as part of Do the Right Thing, and I think 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.640 Fight the Power ended up on their third album, but 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.680 it was the single in the video, and I remember 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.880 watching that and just my jaw being on the floor. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.040 I could I could not believe what I was seeing. 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:29.600 It was exhilarating, it was thrilling. It was a new 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.280 kind of hip hop. It felt like hip hop, but 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:36.760 it felt like history and CNN in Hollywood. It just 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:41.320 it was electrifying, just as electrifying as when bands like 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:44.120 The Sex Pistols or The Clash hit the scene, and 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:48.120 again with the same level of subversiveness. Are we gonna 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.760 call from Max? Let's see what Max has got to say. 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.880 Hey, it's Max on the sixty one Slash four to ten. 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:59.040 So favorite punk not punk record? How about Arthur By 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.120 The Kinks. Love the show. 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.840 Thanks Suji, Thanks Max. You know, I don't really think 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:09.879 of the Kinks as punk because they predate it. But 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.399 I hear what you're saying. I hear, I do. I 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:16.159 hear what you're saying. The attitude is fully there. And 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:18.919 if the Kinks came about, if they were younger, if 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.320 they came about later, they would have been part of 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.520 that whole movement for sure. All right, let's check in 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.000 with Sarah from the two oh six. 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.520 Hey, Jake, this is Sarah from two oh six. I 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.360 just wanted to add a little addenda to my previous 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:40.200 message regarding the Jed Farh and Daniel Johnson album. Okay, 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:44.760 so I'm a lifelong adult entertainer. I used to strip 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:51.680 on Bourbon Street in New Orleans right before the Hurricane Katrina. Anyhow, 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.200 we used to work they shift in this little strip 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.240 club on Bourbon Street, and when the customers weren't tipping 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.440 and they were just there to drink, and we would 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.919 compete with each other to do what we call torture tracks, 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:09.320 which were the kind of music that was like not 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:13.840 amenable to drinking and that basically was kind of torturous 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:19.760 for normal flash drunk dudes to have to listen to 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:25.040 while they're also looking at gives and but my go too, 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:27.520 uh let me bring this on home. My go to 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:33.400 was always Frankenstein Conquers the World by Dad Fair and 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.080 Daniel Johnson. I just listened to it again and it 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:45.119 continues to remain brilliant, jagged rhythm, weird, freaking vocals and 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:50.040 kind of an anti science anti you know AI like, 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:55.240 but you know, obviously written in the eighties, so completely prescient. Anyhow, 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.360 that was my torture track. I love your show. Thank 0:18:59.400 --> 0:18:59.920 you so much. 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:00.440 Hice. 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:03.719 All right, Sarah from the two six. First of all, guys, 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.800 if you if you're going to a strip club, you 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:11.199 have to tip. It's the whole point. I mean, so 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.720 the torture tracks, I get, I've never heard this before, 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.480 but I love it. I love this. It's like a 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:21.440 scene out of a movie. Now to her point, however, 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:24.879 about Daniel Johnson, Jad Fair, Jade I always called it 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.440 Jade Fair, which is probably wrong. Jad Fair is correct. 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:33.320 I don't know this album. I don't know it. I'm 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.159 looking it up right now. Jad Fair co founder the 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.160 influential lo fi band Half Japanese and cult singer songwriter 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.960 Daniel Johnston teamed up in the late nineteen eighties for 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:45.560 one of indie rock's most legendary collaborations. Their partnership resulted 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.320 in the nineteen eighty nine album It's Spooky, wildly celebrated 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:54.280 for its primitive term, emotional rawness, and childlike sincerity. I 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.520 want to hear this tracks like I did Acid with 0:19:56.600 --> 0:20:00.480 Caroline McDonald's on the Brain Torture track compilations. This is 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.359 a good one. That's a good question. I'm a noodle 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.000 on this, Sarah. Thanks for your call. All right, let's 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.720 chick in with Arman in Calgary. 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.840 Hi, Jake, this is Arman from Calgary, Alberta. In regards 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.359 to your question. With a band that took a complete 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.000 left turn with an album. I'm a big Depeche Mode 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:21.960 fan and was into the synthpop stuff. Their song Faith 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:25.400 and Devotion went from full synth pop to full instruments, 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.639 and it was a complete left turn. Not only was 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:32.280 a complete left turn, but it was a successful left 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:35.760 turn and hit just as hard as any of the 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:39.719 original Depeche Mode stuff. Along with that, shortly afterwards, they 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:43.479 went back to what they were known for successfully thirty 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:46.720 plus years, forty plus years, still around, still making music, 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:51.240 still selling out concerts. That's a track record, and Songs 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:55.560 of Faith and Devotion just established a whole different clientele 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:00.399 and fan group for them while maintaining the group they had. 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:03.639 Thank you, love the show, Have a good night. 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:10.360 Armin great call man, great, great point about depeche Mode, 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.240 and I was gonna say it reminds me of Rolling 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:17.600 Stones Some Girls, which was at the time seen as 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:20.800 their quote unquote disco album. It's not a disco album, 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:24.800 but they've got that disco They deploy the disco base, 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.359 drum thing, doom doom, doom doom, do that thing, that 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:34.520 octave thing, and it's it's a fantastic departure from what 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:40.000 they were doing before. It's it's great. But unlike depeche Mode, 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:45.960 the Stones never really recover from that, recovers the wrong word, 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:51.280 They never really come back to what they were before that. Uh, 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:53.680 there's not a lot of great Stones records after that. 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:57.560 There's Tattoo You, which is basically Some Girls. It's the 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:01.439 same thing, same same sessions, I believe, And then I 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:06.000 mean Steel Wheels, what are we looking at? Harlem Shuffle? 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:09.240 You know what I'm saying they never really get back 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:17.959 to that rock, grindy Americana based rock that they amalgamated 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:21.000 into something that was wholly their own. I mean they try, 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.560 but it just never really, they never really do it, 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.640 not to the effect that the albums before some girls had. 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:29.440 But with depeche Mode, you're right, they go right back 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:31.919 to what they were doing before, and it's fantastic. I 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:34.199 love the Wrong Stones, don't get me wrong, but you 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:39.040 gotta admit stuff after nineteen eighties is lacking. Great call, 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.040 Great call, Armin, appreciate you three one zero on the 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.720 same subject, texting strange, just deviation of any band I 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:47.080 can think of as bad religion. Second studio album, Into 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:50.800 the Unknown, it truly was. It was prog rock and organs. Really. 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:53.879 The album kicks off with a synth swell. It sounds 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:56.080 like it came out of an AT and T commercial. 0:22:56.640 --> 0:23:00.080 It's so strange, So glad they abandoned that direction. I 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:03.000 don't know this album, never even heard of it, never 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:06.479 heard of it? What's it called? The Unknown? Into the Unknown? 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:09.840 All right? Six one oh rights in the Anthony Boardain 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:12.520 rewind gutted me, just like when I heard it the 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:14.480 first time, just like when I heard that he died, 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.000 What a heartbreaking disgrace. I saw him live in eastern 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:19.199