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Speaker 1: trial he's like, I'm a man of facts. Just the facts, Jack,

421
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: We're going to stick to that. Trout's got a violent

422
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: and criminal character. He has no alibi. I mean he

423
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: lied about his identity. Yeah, close, come on, what do

424
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: you need? Looked at the Jerry and said, what do

425
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: you all need? What else do you want me to say?

426
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: Look at this guy alright, case clothes, let else. Imagine

427
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: your sister came up to you and said, I'm married

428
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: a guy whose last wife died mysteriously when he hit

429
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: and he accidentally dropped a brick on her head. Would

430
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: you say go for it my blessings? No, you wouldn't

431
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: say that man as a murderer. So true. You know,

432
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: he's going to stick to the fact. He's not dealing

433
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: with this ghost story. But the defense had other ideas,

434
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: and the testimony of a ghost seemed like just what

435
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: they needed and will right back right after this commercial break,

436
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: the scariest transition of them all. Welcome book to the show.

437
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: Everyone pun yes. So this trail was not going great

438
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: for Old Route Okay, damning character evidence was mounting against him,

439
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: but the defense was not worried because they knew how

440
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: they would throw the prosecution into disarray. They wanted Mary

441
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: to tell her ghost story. They thought if a grieving

442
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: woman got up on the stand and said with a

443
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: straight face that the glowing, floating ghost of her dead

444
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: daughter showed up in her room one night and laid

445
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: out the details of her own murder, that would make

446
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: Mary look insane fair enough. So they called her up

447
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: to tell her spooky story. And they kept asking about

448
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: the quote unquote dream she'd had, and they brought the

449
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: jury's attention to how distressed her mind must be after

450
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: the death of her daughter. She's just an emotional, hysterical lady.

451
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: How can you trust anything, she said, You know that

452
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But Mary was unphased. She probably looked

453
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: at the corner of the courtroom and saw Zona's ghost

454
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: standing there whispering, You got this, mom, Tell him, I

455
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: told you so, just like you won't tell me, So

456
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: she was firm. She stuck to her story. She said

457
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: it was not a dream. She was quote as wide

458
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: awake as I ever was, and that her daughter had

459
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 1: appeared to her and spoken to her from beyond the grave.

460
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: The ghost had told her to go look at certain

461
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: bricks near their neighbor, Martha's seller. Mary had checked it

462
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: out and had found blood there, just where her daughter

463
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: told her to look, and the ghost had told her

464
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: exactly how her neck was broken, and the doctors had

465
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: confirmed that too. So Mary's like, I don't know what

466
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: to tell y'all. I believe what she said. She also,

467
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: I have to say she also told them the following.

468
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: This is a quote from the testimony. She came back

469
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: and told me that he was mad that she didn't

470
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: have no meat cooked for supper. But she said she

471
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: had plenty, and said she had butter and apple butter apples,

472
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: and named over two or three kinds of jellies, pears

473
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: and cherries and raspberry jelly, and she says, I had plenty. Now,

474
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say that Edwards should kill anyone,

475
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: or that anyone should a girl. Somebody comes home hungry

476
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: for dinner and you're like, oh, let me interest you

477
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: in a wide variety of condiments, Like that is not food.

478
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: Don't give me four jellies are like starving to death

479
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: after day at the forge. Wow, the defense rests, all right,

480
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: I did kill my wife, but anyone would say I

481
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: was just a bad when I come home after hard

482
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: day's work and she wants me to eat apple butter,

483
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: you wanted a steak and she offered you a jar

484
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 1: of cranberry sauce. Well, award this man five million dollars

485
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: and send him on his way. Please, What a terrible

486
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: life you lived with the horrible woman. Well, fortunately that

487
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: did not happen. The defense had hoped to make Mary

488
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: look crazy, or at least just reaving and like grabbing

489
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: at any straw to explain her daughter's death. But she

490
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: was a more credible witness than Trout. She's stuck to

491
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: her story. It never changed. She was cool headed, she

492
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: spoke clearly. Meanwhile, Trout took the stand later, and according

493
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: to Katie let your Lyle in Wonderful West Virginia Magazine,

494
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: he quote rambled on for an entire afternoon and made

495
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: an unfavorable impression. Apparently he talked about how everyone was

496
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: out to get him, and he's you've got no evidence,

497
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: you can't get me, and like all this kinds of

498
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: crazy ship that just made him sound nuts. But eventually

499
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: all the talking was over. The doctors had presented their autopsy,

500
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: Mary had told her ghost story, and Trout had like

501
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: word barfed a bunch of crazy all over the courtroom.

502
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: So it was time to decide. The judge even told

503
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: the jury that all the evidence was circumstantial and that

504
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: they were going to have to return an unequivocal verdict

505
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: either he definitely murdered Zona or he's completely innocent. He's like,

506
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: don't want to, you know, wishy washy in between ship

507
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: yes or no. That's right, that's the only answer I'm

508
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: looking for you. I don't want to see this guy

509
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: back in the courtroom with an appeal or something I

510
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: I we need to know right now. And an hour

511
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: and ten minutes later, the jury filed back into the room.

512
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: The entire court was on the edges of their seats.

513
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: Mary was clutching her handkerchief, Trout was gritting his teeth.

514
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: Zona's ghost is staring daggers at him and whispering, you're

515
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: mind you bitch. The jury foreman read their verdict. This

516
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 1: jury is decided. The arrest was struggling. Trout Shoe was

517
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: not only guilty if he had a big piece of ship,

518
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: but of murder. Damn, they got him now. It was

519
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: clear that the ghostly testimony did not play much, if

520
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 1: at all, into their decision one way or another. Okay,

521
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: they were like, it's not about the ghostie thing. The

522
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: truth is the guy is clearly veular. We didn't need

523
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: all that. Thank you anyway, Mary for sharing um And

524
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: the newspaper at the time reported quote, though the evidence

525
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 1: was entirely circumstantial, the verdict meets with general approval. Everyone

526
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: in America just nodded their heads solidly in agreements. Finally,

527
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: the justice system works. Erasmus was sentenced to life in prison,

528
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: but only three years later he died of the flu

529
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: epidemic of nineteen hundred. Greenbrier Valley's website says that no

530
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: one from his family claimed his body. Oh damn, I bet,

531
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: I bet the ghost of Zona did. She's like, you

532
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 1: come with me now, I'll the hell. So the question

533
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: here is, did Mary really get a visit from her

534
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: daughter in the dead of night? No pun intended, Katie,

535
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: let your lyle doesn't seem to think so she told

536
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: Wonderful West Virginia that Mary was likely already suspicious since

537
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: she didn't like the guy from the beginning quote. By

538
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: pretending to receive the news directly from Zona, she could

539
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: appeal to the superstitions of her mountaineer neighbors and get

540
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: a lot of public attention, which we know is you know,

541
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: people started to speculate about how she died. Surely they

542
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: didn't do that on their own. You know, it's because

543
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: Mary was walking around being like, I never liked him.

544
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: My daughter's ghost is telling me stuff. You know, she's

545
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: she's she's dropping hints in people's runner to kind of

546
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: get the crowd going, make you know, force some action.

547
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: So maybe she made it up. But Gary Rogers in

548
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: Huffington Posts says, quote, I find Mary Jane Huster's testimony

549
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: about Zona's fractured vertebrae to be downright spooky. And that

550
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: is that is definitely strange. I gotta wonder where that

551
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: information came from. And you know, to Katie, let your

552
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: lions point. Yeah, all her mountaineer neighbors were also superstitious,

553
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: and there was all this um spiritualism and everything. But

554
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't she have had that too? Is she going to be?

555
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: Mary doesn't seem like someone who's so like, you know,

556
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: thinking two days ahead of everyone else where. She's like,

557
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to use their superstitions against him. She probably

558
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: believed all that ship too, I think so, And I

559
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: think so. She really like if you read her whole testimony,

560
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: she's really like pretty solid in it, Like I believe

561
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: in God and I pray every night, and yeah, I

562
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: saw her ghosts. That's all I can tell you. The

563
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: truth is I saw her ghost and she told me

564
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: that I would never know otherwise, And that is pretty creepy.

565
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: That is pretty creepy. Now I gotta pull in the

566
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: speculation station, and you know our favorite thing to do

567
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: in speculation station, there's wild accusations of murder. And here's

568
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: the other thing. So Mary knew where these bricks with

569
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: the blood on him, we're Mary knew exactly where Zona's

570
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: neck had been snapped after she heard of from the ghost.

571
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: The only other way Mary could have that information is

572
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: if she did it herself. What are you using Mary

573
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: Jane Hester of murdering her own daughter? In speculation station

574
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: I believe I am. You can do whatever you want.

575
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's a little strange. And if I'm

576
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: not someone who necessarily believes that a ghost could show

577
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: up and give you all the details of their murder,

578
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: and I would say, I'm probably not someone who believes that,

579
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: I would say, well, then how did you know all

580
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: these details? Miss Mary. That's such a good point, because

581
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: I can only think of one other way you knew.

582
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: I had not thought of that because I was like,

583
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: he this guy sucks, so yeah, and he does it

584
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: must be him. Yeah, but Mary knew something somehow, Mary,

585
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: you're something. And it was how shittyr daughter's jellies were.

586
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: It was I was the one she who asked for meat,

587
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: and I was the one she offered a jar of

588
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: apple sauce. So I killed. I snapped her neck into places.

589
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: Then I put her husband been in jail. Man. Mary is, yeah,

590
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: She's like, try it again, I got I got more

591
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: ghost friends. Oh my god. Mary was never fucked with again.

592
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: Whether or not it's true that Zona's ghost appeared to Mary,

593
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 1: you know, that's up for you to decide for yourselves,

594
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: pull into your own speculation stations. But either way zonaver

595
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: means the only known case in America were a ghost

596
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: helped put away a killer. Incredible. The only other case

597
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: that comes close to this one is the legend of

598
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: Fisher's Ghost in Australia. In and English born Australian farmer

599
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: named Frederick Fisher suddenly disappeared and his friend and neighbor,

600
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: George Worreld told everyone. Fisher he decided to return home

601
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: to England. He gave me power of attorney over all

602
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: his affairs and his property. Okay, the most suspicious thing

603
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: you could say, Incredibly after one dies. And then later

604
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,959
Speaker 1: George claimed that he had received a letter from Fishers saying,

605
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm not coming back to Australia. You know what, George,

606
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: you can have all my stuff. I'm sorry. The most

607
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: suspicious thing you could say. Until that the guy is

608
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: not being smart. Well. Four months after that, a respectable

609
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: local man named John Farley claimed that he'd seen Frederick

610
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: Fisher's ghost at the dock. Unlike Zona, this ghost remained

611
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: perfectly silent. It just pointed at a nearby paddock ominously

612
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: and the disappeared to me. And now Farley, you know,

613
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: he like ran insto the local pub he's full on

614
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: freaking out about this sighting. So the story sped really quickly,

615
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: But it was really the mysterious circumstances surrounding Frederick Fisher's

616
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: disappearance and all this stuff about George getting letters quote

617
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: unquote letters he's been receiving and stuff that really got

618
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: the police interested. Much like John Preston, they were like,

619
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: fun story, but there's actually some weird shit underneath. So

620
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: they searched Paddock, and they discovered Fisher's remains by the creek,

621
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: and George Worrell was arrested, tried, and hanged for the murder. Damn.

622
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: So you know, most people say either Farley, the respectable

623
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: local man, already knew Fisher was murdered, maybe he was

624
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: even a part of it, or he just suspected it,

625
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reason, probably because of the ultra

626
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: suspicious time all this stuff. Um, so he wanted to

627
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: draw attention to this case, force some some local action

628
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: by riling people up with a ghost story, kind of

629
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: like Katie letter Lyle is saying that Mary, yeah yeah,

630
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: or speculation station, here we go, Mary Jane Hester, did

631
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Speaker 1: Farley killed Fisher, knew where his bones were and was

632
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Speaker 1: like a ghost told me that he's over there, right, which,

633
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: come on, Look, I'm just saying, if anybody ever comes

634
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: up to me and says, a ghost told me where

635
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: the body's buried, I'm gonna be like, you knew where

636
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: the body was buried because you put it there. George's like, no, seriously,

637
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: I got a letter I didn't know it was. It

638
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: from Frederick. I don't know his handwriting. Oh there it is.

639
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: Farley wrote letters from George. Yeah, and told him like, yeah,

640
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: you can hear some real suspicious alibi for you. Let

641
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: me make it sound like you totally killed this guy. Wow. Well,

642
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: hopefully George Whorl haunted John Farley forever. If that's the case.

643
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: Either way, maybe these ghosts are out there and that's

644
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: extra spooky. That's recrupulous reclus. I love this story. I

645
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: kind of hope that Erasmus was the killer. Yeah, that

646
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: we're wrong about Mary. I mean, all things logically say

647
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: that Erasmus was the killer. And Mary, I don't know.

648
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: Maybe she maybe the chimney flu was closed that night,

649
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: she wasn't getting enough ox gin and she so it goes, well, damn,

650
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: there's ghosts. Maybe there's ghosts. It is Halloween after all,

651
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: so I sort of have to believe that there's some

652
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: spooky spirits out there waiting to reveal the truth of

653
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Speaker 1: their murders. Do do you believe in ghosts? Do I

654
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: believe in ghosts? I mean that's a big question. I mean,

655
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: like basically no, but I do kind of I could.

656
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: I could believe in um, either interdimensional bleed or um

657
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: or residual energies kind of hanging around for a little while. Um.

658
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: But in terms of like my conscious spirit, like me

659
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: myself in my brain, uh, floating around here trying to

660
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: tell you something after my death, not so much I

661
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: feel that what about you? I don't know, I guess

662
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: because I definitely know people we know, people who you

663
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: know have very they're very clear that they have had

664
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Speaker 1: mysterious encounters that cannot be explained. Aliens but okay, pretty

665
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: much any other way aliens. But okay, UM, I have

666
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: never had an experience myself, So I don't know. But

667
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like, I might just be sort of a

668
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: Hermione Granger, where she she's got a mundane mind. She

669
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Speaker 1: can't you know. So maybe I don't stand that close

670
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: to the veil. Maybe other people I mean I have seen, Uh,

671
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: there was a there was a young girl at our

672
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: house when I was a kid who would uh. Apparently

673
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: I was not the only one to see her at

674
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: the top of our basement stairs, very very creepy basement stairs,

675
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: like wooden stairs down into a spider invested, you know,

676
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: concrete basement where the washing and dryer was in the furnace,

677
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: and real spooky kind of stuff that the dangling lightbulb,

678
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: everything you'd need for a ghostly scene. Uh. And yeah,

679
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: I remember catching a glimpse when I walked into the

680
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: room once. Um. But again it's it's more I want

681
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: to say, it's more like somewhere in some sort of

682
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: pseudoscience or metaphysics or something, because I think that all

683
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: time is happening at once, so there may be some bleeds,

684
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: some overlap. I think there are probably many many dimensions uh,

685
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: existing in the same place at the same times. There's

686
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 1: probably some cross phasing between them in very specific circumstances

687
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: and specific places. And those might be of someone who

688
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: died in our world and didn't somewhere else or or

689
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: or Yeah, there's residual conscious energy that's sort of just

690
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: like hasn't dissipated yet, um, sure possible. What do I know?

691
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a while where they thought that, you know,

692
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: they could just bleed the crazy out of you. So

693
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: whatever we think now might sound totally ignorant in a

694
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: hundred years. I don't know that's true. I try not

695
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: to get too hard in any of my beliefs. That's

696
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: very true and smart. But yeah, and I guess I

697
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: guess my skepticism probably comes from when I was pretty young,

698
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: like ten twelve years old, and I had friends who

699
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: we'd pretend to see things moving pictures. It's just for attention,

700
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 1: you know. It was just to tell people at school

701
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: like I'm special and I have a site, you know

702
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: what I mean, And maybe they believed it. I certainly

703
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: was not seeing ship, so you know, I was like,

704
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: I just know that people do that, especially young people.

705
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: I don't know that an old lady would do it.

706
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that our friends and their forties would

707
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 1: do it. But people do a lot of weird ship

708
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: for attention at any age. So sometimes I'm like, I

709
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like you just want to feel

710
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: like you're different from other people and and special, and

711
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: so you kind of come up with a little thing

712
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: for yourself, right right, don't we all? Don't we all

713
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: exactly with the podcast? So what who am I? I know?

714
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: I know for a fact one of our grown spooky

715
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 1: friends told me in my face, like, oh I moved

716
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: the Wuji puck around. Yeah, I do remember I deliberately

717
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: did that. And I was like what. She's like, yeah,

718
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: it's got to scare people. I'm like, oh, okay, well,

719
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: but she wasn't smooth about it. Honestly, It's a little

720
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: too sharp for me. I was like, I don't like this. Yeah, yeah,

721
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: I don't think I was on that board, but ours

722
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. So I was thinking, look, it's a

723
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: nice literary device to close out an episode of Down Nabby,

724
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: but that's it very specific for my down Nappy fans. Yeah, um,

725
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Obviously there's things we don't understand about

726
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: the world. Would be foolish to think there aren't, absolutely

727
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: and there's and there's no way to know whether or

728
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: not Mary saw the ghost of her daughter or not.

729
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: We can only take her word for it, and and

730
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: then our own belief on top of that. So who knows.

731
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: But for Spooky Season, I definitely believe in ghosts. Yes,

732
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: and I believe that Zona showed up and helped put

733
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: away her shitty ex husband. Yeah. Yeah, well that's the

734
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: other thing, you know, for spooky season, it does kind

735
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: of make sense. I mean, if there is uh some

736
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: sort of ghostly presence in our world, what better time?

737
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: How how thin must the veil be when literally everybody's

738
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: thinking about it at the same time, you know, So

739
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: maybe Halloween does in fight more kind of spooky things happening.

740
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: So you know, if you're listening to this show right now,

741
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: do you feel that on your shoulder little tingly? Touch

742
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: My God? Look out behind you, someone just had a

743
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: heart attack because of you. Yeah, no, they had the

744
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: thrill of a lifetime. Well, thank you so much for tuning,

745
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: and y'all, I hope you enjoyed this recryptulous story. Yeah,

746
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: about the Greenbrier ghosts. Please reach out and tell us

747
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: what you thought or about your own ghostly encounters. I'm

748
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: always down to here, and I know that I said

749
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,479
Speaker 1: I'm a skeptic, but I will listen with an open

750
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: mind to your story and be kind of jealous. To

751
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: be honest, you can commune with these magical things right

752
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: Our email is ridic Romance at gmail dot com right,

753
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: or you can find us on Twitter and Instagram. I'm

754
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: at oh great, it's I like I didn't change it, Danning,

755
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: spooky you just like they won't find me. Mine is

756
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: at Dianamite boom yea, And of course you can follow

757
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: the show at Romance and we will be back soon

758
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: with another recryptulous romance. Help get you in the mood

759
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: for Halloween. Right, Thanks again, y'all, and we'll catch you

760
00:48:53,440 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: at the next one. I love you, insist trying to leave,

761
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: but we rise again. All halloisive put your friends in

762
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: it and puy trends and play for them a show.

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Speaker 1: Recruitulus Ros