WEBVTT - Doubly Exposing Spirit Photography

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Hey there,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to this spooky episode of tech Stuff. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your ghost host Jonathan Strickland, executive producer with iHeart Podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>and today, Well, first, I want to give a shout out.

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<v Speaker 1>I was pondering what to cover on today's episode of

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<v Speaker 1>tech Stuff, and I idly asked my best friend Shaye

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<v Speaker 1>Lee what she thought I should do. Now. Shye is

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<v Speaker 1>a podcaster herself, but she's also a guide on ghost tours.

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<v Speaker 1>I've gone on her ghost tour before in Marietta, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was quite entertaining. She's also a tarot reader,

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<v Speaker 1>she's an astrologer, and she's an all around witchy person.

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<v Speaker 1>And the fact that we can be such good friends

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<v Speaker 1>speaks very highly of her patients as well. Because I

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<v Speaker 1>am notoriously not a believer in any of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I asked Shaye her opinion as to what

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<v Speaker 1>I should talk about, her response was seasonally appropriate that

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<v Speaker 1>I should do an episode about tech that folks have

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<v Speaker 1>used in order to pull the wool over other people's

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<v Speaker 1>eyes when it comes to stuff like ghosts and spirits. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in past episodes of tech Stuff, I have done episodes

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<v Speaker 1>about ghost hunting equipment. I did a recent rerun of

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<v Speaker 1>ghost hunting equipment episodes. So the short version of those episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't heard them, is that I do not

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<v Speaker 1>believe in ghosts, and in my mind, the equipment falls

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<v Speaker 1>between two extremes. And on one end you have tech

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<v Speaker 1>that actually does do something, but it's completely unrelated to

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<v Speaker 1>ghost hunting, like an EMF reader for example. These devices

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<v Speaker 1>measure electromagnetic fields and they're important for folks like say, electricians.

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<v Speaker 1>If a house has faulty wiring, an EMF meter can

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<v Speaker 1>point an electrician in the right direction so that they

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<v Speaker 1>can address the issue. Now, on the other end of

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<v Speaker 1>the spectrum are tools that, as far as I can determine,

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<v Speaker 1>have no real purpose, but they've been adopted and promoted

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<v Speaker 1>by ghost hunter types. So an example of this category

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<v Speaker 1>would be spirit boxes, which just scan through radio frequencies.

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<v Speaker 1>So the idea is that spirits are somehow capable of

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<v Speaker 1>sending messages by manipulating radio waves in an inexplicable way,

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<v Speaker 1>and not just manipulating radio waves, right, It's not just

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<v Speaker 1>that you tune a radio to a frequency that's unused,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're just getting static. That's not what you're doing. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>the ghost is somehow able to communicate across different frequencies.

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<v Speaker 1>So this would be like having a pair of walkie talkies,

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<v Speaker 1>but in order to hear what your best friend is saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you would have to change the frequency channel at just

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<v Speaker 1>the right time and in sync with your friend. Otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>you would just get a blip of what your friend

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<v Speaker 1>was saying as they went through the different channels, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. Now. Some spirit boxes flip through frequencies relatively slowly,

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<v Speaker 1>and that means the occasional word or sound from an

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<v Speaker 1>actual radio station will make its way through and that

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<v Speaker 1>you'll hear it and you'll understand it. But obviously, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's going that slowly, that means you could just hear

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<v Speaker 1>a local radio program and you might just use some

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<v Speaker 1>creative thinking to make whatever you heard fit whatever narrative

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<v Speaker 1>you are searching for in your quest to support the

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<v Speaker 1>existence of ghosts. Other spirit boxes are designed to rapidly

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<v Speaker 1>scan through frequencies so that you're not likely to hear

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<v Speaker 1>anything clearly. But how a ghost is supposed to communicate

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<v Speaker 1>through that kind of method beats the heck out of me.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a ghost has to be really determined to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you if they are going to manipulate radio waves

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<v Speaker 1>in a cascade of frequencies. Unless the idea is that

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<v Speaker 1>when you hit upon something, you stop and then you

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<v Speaker 1>try to listen in, because that would be just like

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<v Speaker 1>hitting the scanner button on a digital radio, where it's

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<v Speaker 1>just going to seeking out, you know, strong radio frequencies

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<v Speaker 1>one after the other, and that doesn't really seem like

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<v Speaker 1>a useful tool to be either. Now, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>really good point to drive home. So much of ghost

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<v Speaker 1>hunting technology is based upon a very faulty premise, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the presumption that ghosts can manipulate phenomena ranging from

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<v Speaker 1>electromagnetic waves in general to radio waves specifically. Because here's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing, y'all, ghosts haven't been proven to be a

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<v Speaker 1>thing yet in the first place. So to me, that's

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<v Speaker 1>like you're putting the cart before the horse. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you say, if this meter goes beep, there's ghosts,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a problem. If you haven't yet proven that ghosts

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<v Speaker 1>are even a thing. You have to do that first.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you have to establish that these ghosts, which are

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<v Speaker 1>definitely a thing, can do whatever it is you're cl

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<v Speaker 1>they can do. In short, the argument the ghosts can

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<v Speaker 1>manipulate phenomena at all presupposes that ghosts exist. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>the way science works. This is where I have to

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<v Speaker 1>again hammer home the fact I am a skeptic. Do

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's outside the realm of possibility that ghosts exist? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm being honest, yeah, I do think that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know everything though, right I do not know

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, but I don't believe it, and I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>I feel pretty confident it's not a thing. What I

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<v Speaker 1>do know is that no one so far has produced

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that satisfies me to suggest otherwise that I can

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<v Speaker 1>say for sure, even if ultimately, if you put all

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<v Speaker 1>the truth into a sieve, you would come up with

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know for sure. I have, however, plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of people using technology to fake the existence of ghosts.

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<v Speaker 1>Hoaxsters and hucksters, snake oil salesmen and con artists. These

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<v Speaker 1>folks have made use of technology to fool wishful thinkers

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<v Speaker 1>and those saddened by the passing of loved ones that

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<v Speaker 1>communication beyond the veil is indeed possible, and that spirits

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<v Speaker 1>persist after earthly life. Has been extinguished. We don't have

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<v Speaker 1>satisfactory evidence showing that ghosts are a thing, but we've

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<v Speaker 1>got lots showing how unscrupulous people have tried to fool

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<v Speaker 1>naive marks. Now, to be clear, you don't need technology

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<v Speaker 1>to fool people. You know, some folks are just predisposed

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<v Speaker 1>to believing in spirits for one reason or another. They've

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<v Speaker 1>done most of the work for you, and a charismatic

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<v Speaker 1>medium might convince an audience that the medium can converse

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<v Speaker 1>with spirits simply through some routines that make little use

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<v Speaker 1>of technology at all, from an audience plant, which could

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<v Speaker 1>be very effective, to cold reading practices, which are a

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<v Speaker 1>variable effectiveness. It all depends upon the skill of the

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<v Speaker 1>medium doing the cold reading, but technology we certainly can

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<v Speaker 1>help out. Now, in this episode, we're mainly going to

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<v Speaker 1>focus pun intended on photography. Now, to do a full

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<v Speaker 1>history of photography would take multiple episodes of tech stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna hit some major highlights, and we're starting

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<v Speaker 1>in the early nineteenth century because there was a French

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<v Speaker 1>Smarty Pants who had the temerity to have the very

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<v Speaker 1>French name of nisseephor Nips, and he came up with

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<v Speaker 1>this mad idea of finding a means to make permanent

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<v Speaker 1>the images that could be projected by a camera obscura. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>my drugies. The camera obscura was typically a darkened room

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<v Speaker 1>where you have no source of light other than a

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<v Speaker 1>tiny pinhole cut through one wall. Light enters through the

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<v Speaker 1>pinhole and then projects on the opposite wall from where

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<v Speaker 1>the pinhole is. Right, that's how light works. It travels

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<v Speaker 1>in a straight line. The remarkable thing thing is this

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<v Speaker 1>light would actually project an image of the scene that

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<v Speaker 1>was outside the darkened room on the opposite wall. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you set one of these up and it was

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<v Speaker 1>across from let's say a mountainscape, Like you're in a

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<v Speaker 1>nice field and there's a mountain in the background, and

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<v Speaker 1>you set up a camera obscura. So you've set up

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<v Speaker 1>a room, a dark room that has just a pinhole

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<v Speaker 1>in it on the opposite wall. You could see the

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<v Speaker 1>scene of the mountain. It would be gorgeous, it'd be dim. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>also it would be upside down and reversed. Now how

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<v Speaker 1>is that possible, Well, it's physics. It's a property known

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<v Speaker 1>as the rectilinear propagation of light. But the phenomena opened

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<v Speaker 1>up artistic opportunities. You could have a sketch artist or

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<v Speaker 1>painter set up inside a camera obscura and they have

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<v Speaker 1>a canvas on the wall where the image will be projected.

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<v Speaker 1>They could then use the projected light to guide their

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<v Speaker 1>hand as they painted a copy of the scene, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you would just turn the canvas over and you

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<v Speaker 1>could look at it side up, though it was still

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<v Speaker 1>reversed right, so that was an issue. Plus, the light

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<v Speaker 1>coming through the pinhole was not really that intense. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a very strong projection, so it's still pretty dim. However,

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<v Speaker 1>through the use of things like optics like lenses and mirrors,

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<v Speaker 1>it was possible to one gather more light so you

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<v Speaker 1>get a brighter image projected. But you could also with

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<v Speaker 1>the mirrors re reverse the image so that it was

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<v Speaker 1>right side up and not reverse left or right. Even so,

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<v Speaker 1>the effect was ephemeral, right, The image wasn't permanent. You

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<v Speaker 1>could go into the room and see the image projected

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<v Speaker 1>on the wall, which is pretty, but you could also

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<v Speaker 1>just go outside and look at the landscape directly without

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the projection. So the best you could hope

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<v Speaker 1>for was to sketch and paint a copy of the image.

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<v Speaker 1>Nipps wanted to find a way to really capture an

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<v Speaker 1>image and then have it stay put. Now, about a

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<v Speaker 1>century earlier, a German professor of a natic demonstrated that

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<v Speaker 1>a solution of silver salts would darken when it was

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<v Speaker 1>exposed to light. It was photoreactive, and further, he proved

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<v Speaker 1>that it was light that caused the darkening process and

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<v Speaker 1>not heat. That was something that some other people had

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<v Speaker 1>put forward as a possible reason for this silver solution

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<v Speaker 1>to turn dark. Nips decided he would coat a sheet

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<v Speaker 1>of paper with silver salts and project an image with

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<v Speaker 1>a camera obscura onto that sheet of paper, and he

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<v Speaker 1>produced his first image this way in May of eighteen sixteen. However,

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<v Speaker 1>the image was not permanent because once you brought this

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<v Speaker 1>image out into the light, well, that light would cause

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the sheet to darken as well. It

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<v Speaker 1>would cause the reaction on all the untouched silver salts

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<v Speaker 1>that were coated on this piece of paper to also

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<v Speaker 1>turn dark, so your image would fade and just turn

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<v Speaker 1>dark across the entire canvas. Plus, the image he created

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<v Speaker 1>was also a negative. The areas that were hit with

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<v Speaker 1>the most light were the darkest, and the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>were hit with the least light were the brightest, so

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<v Speaker 1>that meant that the brightest lit parts of your image

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<v Speaker 1>would end up being the darkest parts in what you

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<v Speaker 1>would get a negative image. Now, Nips experimented with photochemical

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<v Speaker 1>compounds that would bleach rather than darken when exposed to light.

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<v Speaker 1>But still there was the issue of this resulting image

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<v Speaker 1>disappearing once the whole thing got exposed. But yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>could bleach parts and then you don't have a negative

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<v Speaker 1>image anymore. But once you take it out of the

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<v Speaker 1>camera obscura and sunlight starts hitting it, the whole image

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<v Speaker 1>begins to have this photochemical reaction. He also began to

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<v Speaker 1>work with some chemical compounds that react to light, but

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<v Speaker 1>they don't produce visible changes on their own unless they're

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<v Speaker 1>later treated to a separate chemical process. He eventually lit

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<v Speaker 1>upon using bitumen of judea, which is a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>naturally occurring asphalt. It's a tar like substance, and when

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<v Speaker 1>it is exposed to sunlight it becomes non soluble with

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<v Speaker 1>certain chemicals like nitric acid also known as aquafortis. He

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<v Speaker 1>would coat a plate, typically a copper or ten plate,

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<v Speaker 1>with a varnish of this bitumen of Judea. Then he

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<v Speaker 1>would take some translucent paper he would have like an

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<v Speaker 1>etching on a piece of paper, treat that paper so

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<v Speaker 1>that the paper would become translucent, and then lay that

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<v Speaker 1>on top of one of these plates. Then he would

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<v Speaker 1>expose the whole thing to sunlight for several hours, and

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<v Speaker 1>enough light would pass through the translucent parts of the

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<v Speaker 1>paper to cause a photochemical reaction to the exposed bitumen.

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<v Speaker 1>The stuff that was shaded by etching would not react

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<v Speaker 1>to sunlight, right because it's not getting hit. Then once

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<v Speaker 1>he was finished, once he had done this for a

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<v Speaker 1>while and had developed or exposed, I guess I should say,

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<v Speaker 1>exposed the plate to sunlight for a few hours, he

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<v Speaker 1>would give the plate a rent in a pretty darn

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive solution, and it would dissolve the bittermen that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>exposed to the light, and it left the stuff that was.

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<v Speaker 1>The stuff that wasn't exposed to the light would remain

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<v Speaker 1>soluble and would dissolve. The stuff that had been exposed

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<v Speaker 1>to light was insoluble and would stay on the plate.

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<v Speaker 1>So what you would end up with is a negative

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<v Speaker 1>image where the exposed plate would be the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>was the original etching, and then the stuff that still

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<v Speaker 1>had Bittmen on it would be the parts where light

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<v Speaker 1>was able to pass through. He took a similar approach

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<v Speaker 1>to make this work with a camera obscura, using lithographic

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<v Speaker 1>stones originally that were coded in bittermen of Judea. To

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<v Speaker 1>capture a scene. It would take days of exposure to

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<v Speaker 1>have enough of the photochemical reaction take place to a

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<v Speaker 1>point where the exposed bittermen would not wash away when

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<v Speaker 1>treated with these very abrasive chemicals. He would take that

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<v Speaker 1>negative image, typically used on a plate of silver, and

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<v Speaker 1>he would put that in a box that had crystals

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<v Speaker 1>of iodine in it, and the crystals would evaporate, exposing

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<v Speaker 1>the plate to iodine fumes, and this would cause the

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<v Speaker 1>exposed silver, the bits that were not covered with the

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<v Speaker 1>bitumen coating, to oxidize, and this oxidized silver would be

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<v Speaker 1>a coating of silver iodide. He then would clear the

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<v Speaker 1>varnish of bittermen off the rest of the image, so

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<v Speaker 1>he'd take off the stuff that had been reactive with

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<v Speaker 1>the sunlight and he would expose it to light, which

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<v Speaker 1>would then cause the silver iodide sections to darken, while

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff that had been exposed to bitumen or had

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<v Speaker 1>been covered by bittermen doesn't. So essentially he used two

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<v Speaker 1>separate instances of photochemical reactions to create a positive image,

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<v Speaker 1>and photography, the early science of photography was born. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to take a quick when we come back, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about how developments to use another pun would change

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<v Speaker 1>photography and open up the opportunity for the spirits to

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<v Speaker 1>commune with us, or so we were told. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>so we talked about nips and the invention of photography. Now, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>over the following years a lot of people would advance

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<v Speaker 1>this technique, but the basic idea would remain the same.

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<v Speaker 1>You would take a photoreactive surface, you would expose that

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<v Speaker 1>surface to light under controlled conditions for an appropriate amount

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<v Speaker 1>of time. Then you would process the negative image in

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<v Speaker 1>order to create a positive image. But there was another

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<v Speaker 1>intriguing possibility. You could expose a photoreactive surface more than once,

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<v Speaker 1>and you could create really interesting effects that way. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>it was a glass plate that had been coded in

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<v Speaker 1>photoreactive chemicals or a film with a suspension of similar

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<v Speaker 1>chemicals that are coding it, you could capture two images

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<v Speaker 1>on a single surface and combine the two actually you

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<v Speaker 1>could do it more than twice, although the more you did,

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<v Speaker 1>the messier things would typically turn out, until you would

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<v Speaker 1>just get a big blur. But we're going to skip

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<v Speaker 1>ahead a little bit. You could also, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>combine two different negatives together. You didn't have to actually

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<v Speaker 1>physically take a photograph with the same negative. You could

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<v Speaker 1>take two different negatives and combine them through superposition and

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<v Speaker 1>develop a single image from the combination. But let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about how modern film cameras work to kind of understand

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<v Speaker 1>the science of double images on photography. Now, keep in

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<v Speaker 1>mind the principles I'm talking about applied throughout the history

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<v Speaker 1>of the development of this art. But let's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the basic elements of a modern care camera.

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<v Speaker 1>So with a modern camera, you've got your optics. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got a lens. This lens focuses light onto the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of photoreactive film or maybe an image sensor. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a digital camera, you've got a shutter. The

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<v Speaker 1>shutter's job is to block light from coming through the

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<v Speaker 1>lens and hitting your film or sensor until the photographer

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<v Speaker 1>actually wants to take a photo. And you typically have

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<v Speaker 1>a mechanism in film cameras to advance and rewind the

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<v Speaker 1>film so that you can take distinct images. So when

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<v Speaker 1>a photographer pushes the button on a camera, the shutter

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<v Speaker 1>opens for a precise amount of time. Now, professional cameras

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<v Speaker 1>let photographers adjust how long the shutter exposes the film,

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<v Speaker 1>also how much the shutter opens in order to expose

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<v Speaker 1>the film. So faster shutter speeds are used to capture

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<v Speaker 1>fast moving subjects because if the shutter's open longer, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gathering more light. If something's moving, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a blurry image. Sometimes you might want that, that might

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<v Speaker 1>be the effect you want. But in other cases, let's

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<v Speaker 1>say you want to take a very precise photo of

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<v Speaker 1>something that's moving very very fast, you need to have

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<v Speaker 1>the shutter open and close in a fraction of a second.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is why cameras that are used to film

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<v Speaker 1>extremely high speed subjects in very slow motion, they need

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of light to do it. Because that

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<v Speaker 1>shutter is open for just the tiniest fraction of a second.

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<v Speaker 1>It has to be able to gather as much light

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<v Speaker 1>as possible in order to form an image. So you

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<v Speaker 1>need more light to light these kinds of scenes. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if something isn't moving at all, then you can use

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<v Speaker 1>a longer shutter speed and much less light. In the

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<v Speaker 1>early days of photography, you often had people sitting still

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<v Speaker 1>for minutes at a time in order for a camera

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<v Speaker 1>to gather enough light so that you could get a

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<v Speaker 1>decent photograph. This is one of the reasons you hear

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<v Speaker 1>people in old pictures aren't smiling. It's not because they

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<v Speaker 1>were all dour all the time. It's because they would

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<v Speaker 1>have to sit for a photograph for minutes at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>and holding a rictus grin for like five minutes is

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<v Speaker 1>not the most fun experience. So instead you would sit

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<v Speaker 1>still and patient, and you would wait until the photographer said,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, that's enough time, and then you could go

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<v Speaker 1>about your day. So you would have a more neutral

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<v Speaker 1>expression on your face, and that would mean that you

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<v Speaker 1>would be able to gather enough light, even in a

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<v Speaker 1>dim interior setting, to be able to develop a decent photograph. Well. Typically,

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<v Speaker 1>cameras advance the film after you take an image. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>it pulls the film so that the next section of

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<v Speaker 1>unexposed film is in place in order for you to

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<v Speaker 1>take your next photo. To create a double exposure, you

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<v Speaker 1>would need to either prevent the film from advancing, or

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<v Speaker 1>you would need to rewind it back to its original

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<v Speaker 1>frame that you had already exposed with your original photograph.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you would take a second photograph, so you are

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<v Speaker 1>shooting over your previous frame. When you develop the film

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<v Speaker 1>to produce negatives and then ultimately insper these to create

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<v Speaker 1>positive images, you end up with a combined photograph of

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<v Speaker 1>those two shots, the second one on top of the

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<v Speaker 1>first one. So for your standard photography, the second photo

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<v Speaker 1>typically ends up being a background shot. For most uses

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<v Speaker 1>of double images here like you might take a landscape

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<v Speaker 1>shot as your second photograph that lets you place your

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<v Speaker 1>first photographic subject pretty much wherever you would like them

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<v Speaker 1>to be, or have them interact with some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>environment that otherwise they aren't present for now. For it

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<v Speaker 1>to work really well, you typically want your first image

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<v Speaker 1>to have a lot of dark areas in it, because

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<v Speaker 1>those dark areas are under exposed to light, meaning that

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't created this photochemical reaction for that part of

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<v Speaker 1>the film, and your second photograph, the under exposed part

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<v Speaker 1>of the film from the first one, are going to

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<v Speaker 1>receive more exposure to light, and the images you capture

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<v Speaker 1>will show up in those areas that were dark in

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<v Speaker 1>the first photograph. Let me explain by giving an example.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say you take a picture. You have a model,

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<v Speaker 1>and your model is standing close to you, and you

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<v Speaker 1>have your model in silhouette. You've got a source of

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<v Speaker 1>light behind the model, so you've set your camera so

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<v Speaker 1>that you're focusing on this model, but they are in silhouette.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's a dark shape and the light is

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<v Speaker 1>coming from behind them. You take that image, so now

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a picture of someone. Where that someone is

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<v Speaker 1>you can't really see them very well, they're a silhouette.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you take a second picture. Let's say you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you've rewound the film so that you're using the same

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<v Speaker 1>frame again, and you go and take a photo of

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<v Speaker 1>a city scape at night. So it's this brightly lit

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<v Speaker 1>city scape. Well, the under exposed parts of film from

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<v Speaker 1>the first picture are going to bring in that light

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<v Speaker 1>from the second one. That's what's going to show up

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<v Speaker 1>in the silhouette. So when you develop your photograph, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have this silhouette of a but instead of

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<v Speaker 1>it just being a dark silhouette, it's a city scape

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<v Speaker 1>in the shape of a person. Silhouette. It's really a

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<v Speaker 1>cool effect, and there's lots of different ways of playing

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<v Speaker 1>with this. This is just a very basic example, but

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<v Speaker 1>photographers have been using this double exposure technique for years

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<v Speaker 1>to produce all sorts of interesting compositions. You can do

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<v Speaker 1>similar things, by the way, with digital cameras. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>you can do things with digital cameras where they have

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<v Speaker 1>apps that allow you to do this and they'll just

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<v Speaker 1>handle the whole all the processing and give you the effect.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the old days, you could achieve this effect

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<v Speaker 1>in camera. You didn't have to do any special processing

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<v Speaker 1>after the fact to get it. Now you could by

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<v Speaker 1>taking two separate images and then just combining negatives together.

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<v Speaker 1>You could do that as well with the superimposing one

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<v Speaker 1>negative on top of another, but this method, you did

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<v Speaker 1>it all in camera. Then you would go and develop

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<v Speaker 1>your film and see the result. So the medium of

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<v Speaker 1>choice in the old days of photography wasn't film because

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<v Speaker 1>we weren't really into plastics yet. Instead, what was being

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<v Speaker 1>used in say the mid to late nineteenth century were

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<v Speaker 1>glass plates that had been coated with photoreactive chemicals, and

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<v Speaker 1>you would slide the glass plate into a camera. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you would take a photograph with the camera. This would

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<v Speaker 1>expose the areas of the glass plate to light. You

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<v Speaker 1>could then remove the glass plate, use some chemicals to

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<v Speaker 1>develop the image, then transfer that image to a sheet

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<v Speaker 1>of paper where you get your positive photograph. Then, best

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<v Speaker 1>of all, if you're a photographer, you could clean the

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<v Speaker 1>glass plate thoroughly and then use that same glass plate again.

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<v Speaker 1>You would coat the glass plate with new photoreactive chemicals

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<v Speaker 1>and use it again to take another image. Now, clearly

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<v Speaker 1>doing that would destroy your negative in the process, like

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<v Speaker 1>the negative that you took with the first picture, but

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<v Speaker 1>it meant that you didn't have to throw away a

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<v Speaker 1>glass plate and go buy a new one. Now, generally,

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<v Speaker 1>double exposures were something that photographers wanted to avoid. If

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<v Speaker 1>it happened, it was often due to carelessness, and typically

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<v Speaker 1>it resulted in an unusable image. But then we get

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<v Speaker 1>a forward thinker, William H. Mumler, who was a true opportunist.

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<v Speaker 1>Mumbler would take a photographic accident and turn it into

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<v Speaker 1>a lucrative, though brief occupation. As he became a spirit photographer,

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<v Speaker 1>some call him the first spirit photographer. Whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>he really was the first, I can't say, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>often credited as such. Well, he had a pretty decent

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<v Speaker 1>career until he got arrested for fraud. That put a

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<v Speaker 1>small hiccup in his plans, but ultimately he would be acquitted.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll talk more about that in just a bit. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>here's how the original story typically is told. In the

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<v Speaker 1>early eighteen sixties, Mumler sat for a self portrait photograp

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<v Speaker 1>He was an enthusiast. That was not his job. He

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<v Speaker 1>was not a photographer, but he was interested in the

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<v Speaker 1>art and technology of photography. So while he was taking

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<v Speaker 1>a self portrait, he unknowingly did so while using a

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<v Speaker 1>glass plate that had not been properly cleaned since the

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<v Speaker 1>last time it was used to take a photograph, so

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<v Speaker 1>the negative image of an old photograph was already on

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<v Speaker 1>the plate when he used it. Now, this old image

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<v Speaker 1>was of his cousin, who tragically had died more than

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<v Speaker 1>a decade earlier. When Mumbler developed this self portrait, he

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<v Speaker 1>was surprised to see a faded image of his deceased

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<v Speaker 1>cousin apparently posing with him for this picture, and he

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<v Speaker 1>appeared solid, but his cousin appeared transparent. Mumbler then allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>got the idea to create a whole business around this phenomena,

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing images of spirits to cater to a nation that

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<v Speaker 1>at the time was stricken with grief. In the wake

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<v Speaker 1>of the Civil War. Countless families were mourning the loss

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<v Speaker 1>of people who had died in that conflict, and it

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<v Speaker 1>had given rise to a general interest in spiritualism and

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<v Speaker 1>in ghosts. After all, families wanted the comfort of knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that their loved ones were still out there somewhere, comforted

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<v Speaker 1>in an afterlife, with the knowledge that those back on

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<v Speaker 1>earth still thought of them and loved them. Now, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the whole accidental photograph thing is true, or maybe Mummler

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<v Speaker 1>had a goal in mind and kept working until he

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<v Speaker 1>was able to achieve it. You know, maybe he did

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<v Speaker 1>double exposures to do it, just in camera double exposures,

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<v Speaker 1>but he also could have used the technique of superimposing

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<v Speaker 1>negatives before developing a final image, and that actually would

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<v Speaker 1>give him more options to that if he just held

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<v Speaker 1>on to negatives and then combined negatives together in the

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<v Speaker 1>post processing part of photography. Now, the actual method he

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<v Speaker 1>used wasn't really that important. What was important is that

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<v Speaker 1>Mumler got to work providing images to grieving families for

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<v Speaker 1>a fee. Of course, Mumbler maintained that he was just

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<v Speaker 1>as surprised as anybody else that his seemingly normal camera

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<v Speaker 1>had somehow attained the remarkable ability to capture images of

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<v Speaker 1>the dearly departed. His shtick was that he was just

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<v Speaker 1>a simple man who, through reasons unexplained, could take photographs

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<v Speaker 1>of ghosts. He would make sure those customers knew there

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<v Speaker 1>was never a guarantee that a ghost was going to

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<v Speaker 1>show up, or if a ghost did show up, that

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<v Speaker 1>that ghost would definitively be the person that the subject

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<v Speaker 1>was hoping for, and that would mean at times that

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't have access to a negative or a previous

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<v Speaker 1>image that really fit a family's story, So it would

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<v Speaker 1>leave him scrambling to work with the customer in order

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out who a ghostly figure might actually be, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's clearly not Aunt Midge, but maybe it's someone else,

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, now, this is a lot like cold reading.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a practice where a supposed psychic fishes for information

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<v Speaker 1>with a mark and relies almost entirely upon the subject

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<v Speaker 1>to provide all the details, and later folks will often

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<v Speaker 1>say the medium somehow came up with all these details

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<v Speaker 1>on their own, when in fact it was the subject

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<v Speaker 1>who supplied everything. It's an old con and it still

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<v Speaker 1>works today. Mumbler did get tapped for fraud, but that

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<v Speaker 1>took a while. I'll explain after we come back from

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<v Speaker 1>this break. Just before the break, I mentioned that Mummler,

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<v Speaker 1>our spirit photographer, got tagged for fraud, but it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>happen right away. He even dodged some metaphorical bullets that

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<v Speaker 1>theoretically should have brought things to an end much sooner

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<v Speaker 1>than it happened. So. For example, according to an article

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<v Speaker 1>by David Russ inistory dot com, Mummler once took a

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<v Speaker 1>photograph of a woman whose brother had died in the

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<v Speaker 1>Civil War, and so he produces this image that has

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<v Speaker 1>this ghostly figure posing next to this woman, and she

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<v Speaker 1>goes home thinking, I now have a portrait that proves

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<v Speaker 1>my brother still persists after his untimely death in this

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<v Speaker 1>terrible war. Except for one thing. Her brother later returned home,

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<v Speaker 1>having miraculously not having died at all during the Civil War.

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<v Speaker 1>Reports of his death, as they say, were greatly exaggerated.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you would think that this would lead to Mummler

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<v Speaker 1>being exposed as a fraud because here he was producing

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<v Speaker 1>a photograph of this woman's ghostly dead brother. But he's

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<v Speaker 1>not dead. He comes back. The woman, however, became convinced,

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<v Speaker 1>either through Mumbler or otherwise, that the ghostly image in

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<v Speaker 1>her photograph was actually some sort of vengeful, malevolent entity

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<v Speaker 1>that was intent on leading her astray. So it wasn't

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Mummler's fault, it was just a malevolent spirit. Now. What

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<v Speaker 1>was harder to explain away was a case in which

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<v Speaker 1>a customer recognized that one of the ghosts appearing in

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<v Speaker 1>a photograph was actually his very much not dead spouse,

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<v Speaker 1>which indicated that Mummler was in fact holding on to

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<v Speaker 1>old negatives that he produced in his photography business and

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<v Speaker 1>then made use of those negatives to manufacture his spirits

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<v Speaker 1>for his more gullible clients. So what did Momler do

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<v Speaker 1>in that case, Well, he followed the early advice that

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<v Speaker 1>you would hear in McElroy brother episodes of My Brother,

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 1>My Brother, and Me, and he packed up and moved

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<v Speaker 1>out of town. He left his operation in Boston, Massachusetts,

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:43.640
<v Speaker 1>and he set off for the greener pastures of New York. However,

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<v Speaker 1>it was in New York that he got picked up

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<v Speaker 1>for fraud in eighteen sixty nine. The trial had some

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<v Speaker 1>notable expert witnesses, including the infamous P. T. Barnum, the

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<v Speaker 1>ringleader of Circus, and Barnum brought along with him a

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<v Speaker 1>portrait he had made that had himself in it, along

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<v Speaker 1>with the ghostly figure of the very much dead ex

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 1>President Abraham Lincoln in it. Barnum used the photo to

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<v Speaker 1>show how Mummler's photographs could be produced through earthly means

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:24.080
<v Speaker 1>when no ghosts required, and apparently other experts gave similar

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<v Speaker 1>examples and showed how different photographic processes could create the

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 1>very same effects that Mummler had produced. So while they

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<v Speaker 1>could not necessarily identify the specific method used by Mummler,

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 1>they showed that there were lots of different approaches that

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<v Speaker 1>could do it. So the jury hears about nearly a

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<v Speaker 1>dozen different methods photographers could potentially use to produce photographs

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<v Speaker 1>just like Mummler's, and they acquitted him. What. Well, Yeah,

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 1>the jury understood that there were ways you could fake

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 1>the photographs, but they said that no one had actually

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<v Speaker 1>caught Mummler doing any of those. So since Mumler wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>caught in the act, And since photography was such a

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<v Speaker 1>new and, at least to the layman, largely unknown art form,

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 1>it stood to reason that, hey, maybe photographs can also

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<v Speaker 1>be capable of capturing images of the dearly departed. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is like the opposite of Akham's razor is the

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<v Speaker 1>Okham's raiser says that the simplest explanation is usually the

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<v Speaker 1>best one. So what is simpler that photography could prove

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<v Speaker 1>that ghosts exist something that has never once been proven ever,

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 1>that it could be the one technology that cements forever

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the proof of spirits, or that humans, using documented, proven,

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 1>replicable techniques created the effect. Well, Aukham's razor tells us

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<v Speaker 1>that the thing we know for a fact can happen

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<v Speaker 1>is far more likely to be the explanation than a

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<v Speaker 1>thing we don't know at all. But the jury saw otherwise,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mummler walked free. He would later make more contributions

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<v Speaker 1>to the world of photography, legitimate contributions. In fact, in

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<v Speaker 1>one obituary his connection with spirit photography barely merited a

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 1>mention at all, So I would say that he definitely

0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 1>got off lightly, though I don't know how much business

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 1>his spirit photography received after his well publicized trial. The

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 1>reports on that are varying. Some people say, oh, no,

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 1>he went right back into business and people didn't care.

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Others say, yeah, no, the spirit photography gig was pretty

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.440
<v Speaker 1>much up at that point. So I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>the truth is. But there are countless examples of similar

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>photographs that have been submitted to support the existence of ghosts.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's baffling in many ways because we know for

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<v Speaker 1>a fact there are simple means of producing those effects,

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<v Speaker 1>either on purpose or by accident, and yet the reliance

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<v Speaker 1>on these images to serve as evidence persists. There are

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<v Speaker 1>other photographic anomalies that are often presented as evidence of ghosts.

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<v Speaker 1>A big one would be ghost orbs. Those are little

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<v Speaker 1>floating balls of light within the frame of an image.

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<v Speaker 1>These sometimes show up not just in photographs, but also

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<v Speaker 1>in video as well. They are not the product of

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<v Speaker 1>the development process or produced by taking multiple images on

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<v Speaker 1>the same frame of film or whatever. These are just

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<v Speaker 1>due to the nature of light and optics and photography, right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>ghost orbs are something you see with photographs that are

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<v Speaker 1>taken in dark situations or dark settings, and the orbs

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:43.279
<v Speaker 1>aren't orbs at all. They're just reflections. So in a

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<v Speaker 1>dark place, you have to provide your own light, because

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 1>that's what a camera is doing. It's capturing light, and

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.400
<v Speaker 1>if there is no light, then there can be no image,

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 1>whether you're talking about a digital camera that has a

0:34:55.120 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>light sensor or traditional film camera, unless you're capturing something else.

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:04.719
<v Speaker 1>It's like infrared light, which we can't see anyway, and

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 1>then using a development process to actually make that into

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<v Speaker 1>a visible image, you need to provide some light yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have a camera that's got a flash on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and when you take a photograph, the flash goes off,

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 1>the scene is briefly, very brightly lit. It's just long

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 1>enough for light to pass through the lens as the

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:27.200
<v Speaker 1>shutter opens and exposes the film or light sensor to light.

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<v Speaker 1>But in that flash, any motes of dust or bugs

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<v Speaker 1>or droplets of water that are closer to the camera

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<v Speaker 1>and the flash bulb also get illuminated, and the reflections

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<v Speaker 1>from those tiny things show up as orbs in your

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<v Speaker 1>finished photograph. It's called backscatter, and it's not indication that

0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 1>there are ghosts. They're just reflections of particles that are

0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:55.440
<v Speaker 1>reflecting light and showing up very brightly in your camera

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 1>because your camera's straining so very hard to collect whatever

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<v Speaker 1>available light is there in order to make the image.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you know what, a lot of ghost hunting

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<v Speaker 1>stuff takes place in dark and dusty environments, and you

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<v Speaker 1>need a flash or some other light source to eliminate

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 1>the scene. We wouldn't see these orbs in person, but

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<v Speaker 1>the camera, which is designed to direct light efficiently to

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<v Speaker 1>the film or the sensor does and it's not a ghost.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a mote of dust or droplet of water

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<v Speaker 1>or tiny little bug flying around. Dust particles that are

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<v Speaker 1>closer to the camera are going to reflect more light

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<v Speaker 1>into the lens, and because they're not in focus, you know,

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:37.840
<v Speaker 1>you're focusing on something else, some scene in which a

0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:41.560
<v Speaker 1>ghost might appear, you know, like say some old shelves

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 1>in a basement, or maybe you're shooting up an old

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 1>staircase in an abandoned chateau or whatever. So you're focusing

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<v Speaker 1>on a distant scene and a close up mot of

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<v Speaker 1>dust is meanwhile reflecting light from the flash, and boom,

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<v Speaker 1>you got yourself your ghost orbs. Now I think it

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<v Speaker 1>might Next episode, I'm going to tackle some relatively recent

0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 1>additions to the ghost hunter's toolbox, namely the rim pod. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine my disappointment when I learned that an rim

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 1>pod is not some sort of insulated sleeping cabin that

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:17.280
<v Speaker 1>pumps songs like Losing My Religion or the Sidewinder sleeps

0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Tonight into my ears. Now, rim pod stands for radiating

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 1>electromagneticity pod, and I can't wait to dive into that

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<v Speaker 1>for our next episode, because golly, it's silly. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna wait for Wednesday's episode. It's another Halloween appropriate topic

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<v Speaker 1>for tech stuff. In the meantime, I hope all of

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<v Speaker 1>you out there are doing well. If you are someone

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<v Speaker 1>who has a deep belief in spirits and ghosts, I

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:49.360
<v Speaker 1>am not here to tell you that you are wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I am here to say that based upon my view

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<v Speaker 1>of the world and my need for extraordinary evidence to

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 1>support extraordinary claims, go hosts and spirits remain in the

0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:05.319
<v Speaker 1>realm of fantasy for me. Maybe one day someone will

0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 1>produce evidence sufficient enough for me to say I was wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>They do exist, and here's the proof that shows it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it hasn't happened yet. Take care of my friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll talk to you again. Really, soon. Tech Stuff

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