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Speaker 1: welcome into the Wednesday Morning Podcast. Mike Silver. Like Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: he went to Cow highly connected NFL reporter All Things Niners.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, some Raiders talk. Darren Waller to the Giants
Speaker 1: a nice pickup for a New York Let me start
Speaker 1: with this. Since the Super Bowl, I have talked to
Speaker 1: three two in person, one on the phone FaceTime, three
Speaker 1: different Green Bay Packers. So all respect Aaron Rodgers, but
Speaker 1: you know when you play with Aaron and you're a
Speaker 1: teammate of Aaron. Aaron's going to do things that Aaron
Speaker 1: wants to do, and he's rarely going to let you
Speaker 1: in on it. So I was talking to another Green
Speaker 1: Bay packer yesterday and he has no animosity toward Aaron.
Speaker 1: Played with him for a while, not one of his guys.
Speaker 1: The takeaway is on the list with the New York Jets.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily Aaron Rodgers feeding a reporter. Aaron is saying.
Speaker 1: The list is suspect. It's that this has been a
Speaker 1: real trend of Aaron Rodgers. Nobody's connected to him, nobody
Speaker 1: knows anything. So Trey Wingo said it's done. It wasn't
Speaker 1: He ripped schefter and Ian Rappaport, Diana Russini. He's telling
Speaker 1: people that she doesn't know what she's talking about. The
Speaker 1: list is suspect. Nobody just makes stuff up. Now, I
Speaker 1: will say different people can speak on Aaron's behalf. Nathaniel
Speaker 1: Hackett could tell a report or something and they take
Speaker 1: that as gospel, you know, from Aaron Rodgers worldview. So
Speaker 1: something I have sourced from people who have seen or
Speaker 1: been with Aaron over the last month month and a
Speaker 1: half since the Super Bowl. He's pretty chill on it.
Speaker 1: He's doing his thing. He's got multiple events he's scheduled
Speaker 1: personally throughout the summer, probably not going to be available
Speaker 1: for Ota. What happens happened. He is capable of walking away.
Speaker 1: Pat McAfee mentioned he wouldn't be shocked if he did
Speaker 1: walk away. I don't think he will, but I think
Speaker 1: he's capable of it. He's not obsessed with football, clearly,
Speaker 1: you can see by his semi committed off seasons. But
Speaker 1: Aaron's not that closed to that many teammates. He wasn't
Speaker 1: that close with Davante Adams. Davante Adams left, you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't have a great relationship or any relationship with
Speaker 1: the young wide receivers. Alan Lazard has signed with the Jets.
Speaker 1: That's a comfort signing. I'm sure Aaron, over the course
Speaker 1: of the weekend in Malibu, talking to the Jet said,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a couple of guys I really like
Speaker 1: Mercedes Lewis, Alan Lazard, Randall Cobb. You know, I think
Speaker 1: that's a reasonable assumption, And they went out and got
Speaker 1: Alan Lazard. Do I think the Jets would acquire Alan
Speaker 1: Lazard if they weren't seeking Aaron Rodgers No, he's a
Speaker 1: big body. They got Corey Davis, No, I don't do.
Speaker 1: I think they'd bring in Nathaniel Hackett after bombing Denver
Speaker 1: is their first choice if they weren't interested in Aaron Rodgers. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think they would. And I've said this with Aaron.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna ever win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna win their division with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: If you go back to his history his first year
Speaker 1: of doing anything starting he was six and ten. First
Speaker 1: year with Lafleur and Hackett, he had a mid to
Speaker 1: high nineties passer rating at the time, third lowest of
Speaker 1: his career. I do think he makes the Jets better.
Speaker 1: But Aaron is manipulative, not just in this instance. It's
Speaker 1: with the media. It's kind of downgrading anybody's information unless
Speaker 1: it's directly from him. But Aaron also gives off the
Speaker 1: vibe that he doesn't really care and he's really chill,
Speaker 1: but shit pisses him off privately. How do I know
Speaker 1: that because I was told that twice yesterday. So if
Speaker 1: I was Aaron, I'd stay with Green Bay. My guess
Speaker 1: is has always been fifty one percent Packers over the Jets,
Speaker 1: but by signing Alan Lazard, I think the Jets are
Speaker 1: doing everything possible to get Aaron. But I don't think
Speaker 1: they have an answer yet. I don't, and I think
Speaker 1: Hackett was step one. Alan Lazard is step two. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll hear something on David Baktiari, but you know
Speaker 1: this idea that nobody's connected to Aaron and nobody knows anything.
Speaker 1: Aaron's got plenty of players people. I know that he
Speaker 1: shows his disdain on a regular basis. He hears the media.
Speaker 1: He was not happy, I'm told with the list said
Speaker 1: it was BS. I just don't believe Diana Russini completely
Speaker 1: made it up. Why would she do that, She's got
Speaker 1: a nice career. Why would you just throw out a
Speaker 1: haymaker that's totally, absolutely inaccurate unless you had some feelers
Speaker 1: on it and some legitimate sources. So I do know
Speaker 1: that Nathaniel Hackett is a huge fan and friend of
Speaker 1: Mercedes Lewis. That I know. So I know Hackett and
Speaker 1: not Aaron Rodgers. Necessarily he would go to Robert Saul
Speaker 1: and say get me Mercedes Lewis. Mercedes Lewis is affordable, smart, good,
Speaker 1: locker room guy, tremendous blocker. So I think Hackett could
Speaker 1: have easily been the one that initiated the Mercedes Lewis
Speaker 1: conversation with the Jets. That's what I believe to be true.
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Speaker 1: of Open Mike, Mike Silver. He is he is a
Speaker 1: story breaking Maven is what he is, and it is
Speaker 1: not lost on us that the Niners are always working
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers is always manipulating. So I talked to
Speaker 1: since the Super Bowl, I've talked to three different packers
Speaker 1: and two in person and one FaceTime, and you know
Speaker 1: they've they were you can respect a co worker. It
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're boys. And there is a sense with Aaron.
Speaker 1: Bill Simmons and I got into this discussion once that
Speaker 1: when you're you know, you and I are married, you
Speaker 1: and I have kids. Our life is a series of
Speaker 1: sacrifices right when you're single, rich, no kids, no pets.
Speaker 1: It's not so. Aaron's kind of the sun in his
Speaker 1: galaxy right. And this is not saying he's inconsiderate or thoughtless,
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying. But he can be at
Speaker 1: times a bit manipulative and very Aron centric. And I
Speaker 1: think in this situation there are teammates in Green Bay
Speaker 1: that I've been told that feel like bro I don't
Speaker 1: want my names on lists, I don't want my names
Speaker 1: and reports. I just want an answer. I do think
Speaker 1: there are people that are close with Aaron at times
Speaker 1: can get discouraged with him. Is that fair well, I
Speaker 1: just I look at it as such a longer thing.
Speaker 1: And remember the infamous Summer of Far farv in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. I was at Yahoo at the time
Speaker 1: and spent a bunch of days, planned on going to
Speaker 1: Green Bay for a couple of days, stayed for about
Speaker 1: five as the saga played out, and he became the
Speaker 1: guy and ultimately became what will now be a sure
Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer and a four time MVP.
Speaker 1: And throughout much of that time, I've been a person
Speaker 1: who believes very vocally that that organization hadn't aggressively gone
Speaker 1: after it the way they should with a quarterback that special.
Speaker 1: And you know, they have a philosophy that dates back,
Speaker 1: you know, before this regime Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf
Speaker 1: and all that. But I used to say, look, it's
Speaker 1: easy to say we're just going to sit back, be
Speaker 1: passive and build through the draft when we have a
Speaker 1: transcendent quarterback, by the way for the second time in
Speaker 1: a row, who will cover up a lot of our ills.
Speaker 1: And I think they've under achieved organizationally by not doing that.
Speaker 1: They kind of started to try to do that toward
Speaker 1: the end they had their run, it didn't work out.
Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, they lost badly on the road in
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship Game. In twenty twenty, they hosted with
Speaker 1: no fans and lost to Tom Brady and the Bucks,
Speaker 1: a team that had loaded up. And in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: they lost at home to the Niners in a game
Speaker 1: that neither team could really score, but a block punt
Speaker 1: decided it. And I think they know the windows over,
Speaker 1: so it makes sense for them to want it to
Speaker 1: end now, And I think if they had a time machine,
Speaker 1: they'd go back a year. It makes sense for Aaron,
Speaker 1: given the way that context has changed, to want to leave.
Speaker 1: And I understand why people on the outside get frustrated.
Speaker 1: What it seems to make that much sense. Why it
Speaker 1: is just happening, And it is a little complicated, And
Speaker 1: maybe Aaron is exerting leverage right now or just sincerely
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what he wants. But it seems
Speaker 1: to me that the math adds up to Jets desperately
Speaker 1: want him. He knows Green Bay that that time has
Speaker 1: kind of past. Packers just want to move forward, knowing
Speaker 1: that they missed their window, not like, ha, we're gonna
Speaker 1: win the super Bowl now with Jordan Love. I think
Speaker 1: they know on some level and they need to get
Speaker 1: the contract off the book. So when you put all
Speaker 1: that together, I see why people on the outside say,
Speaker 1: let's just do this now. What did you make of
Speaker 1: the list? Aaron has told some friends it's BS. I
Speaker 1: tend to defend all reporters, Mike Silver, Diana Russini. I've
Speaker 1: never worked with anybody who makes stuff up. Now, I
Speaker 1: do know Hackett is close with Mercedes Lewis. The name
Speaker 1: Mercedes Lewis could have shown up on that list from Hackett.
Speaker 1: I know that because I know Hackett. I know Mercedes well,
Speaker 1: and Hackett and he have a good relationship. And a
Speaker 1: lot of people like Nathaniel, whether he's a great coach
Speaker 1: or not, he's very close to a lot of players.
Speaker 1: They really he's a very engaging, lovely person. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: the Mercedes name on the list may not have been
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. But Aaron saying you know the list is nonsense.
Speaker 1: He'll announce on McAfee tomorrow. You know, he'll probably push
Speaker 1: back on some of it. What did you make of
Speaker 1: the list? Well, I don't mind if there's a list.
Speaker 1: First of all, I can understand why Aaron and especially
Speaker 1: the Jets would want us to not fake. There's a list,
Speaker 1: But I'm kind of okay with that, especially someone at
Speaker 1: this stage of his career who's going for broke and
Speaker 1: people could say, oh, he's big a diva, he's trying
Speaker 1: to be the GM. Yeah. And Tom Brady did at
Speaker 1: the end, and Peyton Manning did at the end and
Speaker 1: they won super Bowls. And if you're that good, you
Speaker 1: not only are able to do that, but you should.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he's right about Randall Cobb and
Speaker 1: Marcedes Lewis at this stage of their career. If that's
Speaker 1: a comfort thing for him, I think it's a conversation
Speaker 1: with the team that's trying to get him Lazard. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's a team to do. If you if
Speaker 1: you bring him in as your one, you're crazy. If
Speaker 1: you bring him in as your two three. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: that's fine. Um. I love the Beckham thing. I think
Speaker 1: it's cool. Like Tom Brady had Antonio Brown living at
Speaker 1: his house, Antonio Brown, who's the biggest nightmare or for
Speaker 1: an organization to deal with at all, ever, including for Tom.
Speaker 1: It turned out, so yeah, go get Hodell Beckham if
Speaker 1: he could play like he played when we last saw him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that. So I don't hate the list if
Speaker 1: it's real. And I again, I know Diana really well.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she has great source to got it. I
Speaker 1: don't mind the list. I understand. And why if you're
Speaker 1: the Jets and you're Aaron, you don't want people to
Speaker 1: think there's a list. Frustrating for Packer fans because they're like,
Speaker 1: he didn't seem to be all in last year. He
Speaker 1: paid him all the money and then he kind of disappeared,
Speaker 1: didn't work with the young receivers. Seemed like he thought
Speaker 1: he could snap his figures that turn it out at
Speaker 1: the very end, even worse. It worked for four weeks
Speaker 1: and then lost in the Lions that it ended. But
Speaker 1: the Jets wouldn't be getting that guy. They'd be getting
Speaker 1: it aggrieved, highly motivated, chip by his shoulder. I'll show
Speaker 1: you Aaron Rodgers and so the Packers aren't trading that
Speaker 1: guy necessarily, but the Jets are getting that guy, and
Speaker 1: it is what it is. Listen, you know a lot
Speaker 1: of these leaks that come out, you can often see
Speaker 1: which direction the leak comes from, right, Like I don't
Speaker 1: think Aaron would want that list out right, I surmise
Speaker 1: today I said, the Jets are getting frustrated they released
Speaker 1: a list, So if he doesn't sign, the New York
Speaker 1: media will go, well, God, look at the stupid list.
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb in my take risky because then if he's
Speaker 1: your guy, he's already he already doesn't trust you. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't tucked to solid today, but
Speaker 1: I'll bet if Robert Sala had any hair, he would
Speaker 1: have pulled it out during the when he first saw
Speaker 1: in his screen that that list had come out. That's
Speaker 1: my suspicion is that Jets don't want to go into
Speaker 1: this relationship with any weirdness. And by the way, I've
Speaker 1: said this before, Colin, I am pro leak. For the record,
Speaker 1: I just every time we talk about leaks, I do
Speaker 1: want to say that pro leak keep it coming. So, um,
Speaker 1: let's pivot to a couple of Niner things. So Sam
Speaker 1: Darnold has a lot of Trey Lance qualities. Coachable, big athlete, mobile,
Speaker 1: but not spectacularly fast, not a pretty thrower, not highly accurate,
Speaker 1: prone to some mistakes, but good in the room. Coachable, big, physical,
Speaker 1: athlete for a big, physical team and culture. That's what
Speaker 1: it felt like to me. It feels like Trey, Lance
Speaker 1: and Darnald are battling for the backup. Though am I
Speaker 1: too idealistic on this Brock pretty thing? I think Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan loves Purty. I think he does. Yeah, he does.
Speaker 1: And it was settled. It was over. Purty was the guy.
Speaker 1: It was. They were good too. Couldn't even touch his
Speaker 1: contract for the next two years, couldn't even renegotiate till
Speaker 1: two years from now. Cheap deal, load up around him.
Speaker 1: Maybe Lance develops and you flip him, maybe he's your backup. Whatever,
Speaker 1: it was all good. And then if Brock Purty broke
Speaker 1: in his leg in that game, nothing would have changed.
Speaker 1: A tough break, man, we lost. Brock's the guy. He
Speaker 1: ripped out an important Look at it. It is throwing elbow,
Speaker 1: so yes, it changed. So what they hope, and obviously,
Speaker 1: based on their behavior so far, what they hope is
Speaker 1: that's six month timeline is reasonable and if not, maybe
Speaker 1: it's seven, maybe it's even eight. But eventually the guy
Speaker 1: we get back is going to be the guy we had.
Speaker 1: He'll be able to throw it like you threw it
Speaker 1: before and we're good to go. And if that happens,
Speaker 1: then what you said is absolutely right. But they do
Speaker 1: have to live in a reality now where it might
Speaker 1: not be that way, and sometimes they're setbacks, sometimes they're
Speaker 1: scarred tissue. Sometimes it just never comes back to what
Speaker 1: it was. I don't think that's likely. I think the
Speaker 1: likeliest thing is brock Purty will be back at some point,
Speaker 1: you know, not too late in the twenty twenty three season,
Speaker 1: looking like he did before. But um, you have to hedge.
Speaker 1: So after last year's entire offseason of trays the Guy,
Speaker 1: Trace the guy, trays the Guy, and you and I
Speaker 1: infamously noted during that offseason that wasn't going super smoothly
Speaker 1: and accurately. We accurately reported that he wasn't super accurate,
Speaker 1: that his arm was experiencing fatigue, and that he wasn't consistent.
Speaker 1: Um we've since been u thou to be true by
Speaker 1: including Trey Lance, who was disgusted. But um, so they
Speaker 1: have to have a plan C. I wondered if it
Speaker 1: would be Matt Ryan, if he'd want to do it,
Speaker 1: given his history with Kyle. I wondered if it would
Speaker 1: be a Dalton Brissette type of guy. They went a
Speaker 1: little younger. Um. Interesting comparison Dartled and Lance. Um. The
Speaker 1: one thing I'll give the land say is that Darnold
Speaker 1: is not known for his intelligence. Not I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not saying Sam Darnold's not intelligent for the record. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying he's not known as a quarterback who just
Speaker 1: you know, blows you away with his the whiteboard, whiteboard
Speaker 1: where trade. They saw something intelligence wise before the draft
Speaker 1: that got them super super fired up. So that gives
Speaker 1: me hope that maybe there's a jump to be made.
Speaker 1: So I think Plan A is Lance is the guy.
Speaker 1: Darnold's the insurance. Maybe Lands starts a game or two,
Speaker 1: but Party's the guy. Plan B is man. Party's not
Speaker 1: coming along great. But you know what, lads stepped up.
Speaker 1: He's the guy. Darnold's the insurance. Plans C is Trey's
Speaker 1: not able to do it. He's gonna have to be
Speaker 1: the backup. Will go with Sam Darnold and figure it out.
Speaker 1: Plan A minus as you know, and I will. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's likely, but you know, John Lynch is
Speaker 1: gonna call Tom Brady in May or June and go, Hey,
Speaker 1: I know you said for good, but it's your hometown
Speaker 1: team because he's the perfect guy as a hedge against party.
Speaker 1: If you don't think Purty is gonna be right next year,
Speaker 1: but you think he's the guy in the future, you
Speaker 1: can just do one year a Brady and still keep
Speaker 1: that same plan. It's interesting to me that both the
Speaker 1: Nighters in Miami have constructed their twenty twenty three rosters
Speaker 1: to basically say we can win now if our quarterback
Speaker 1: thing works out. In the Nighters case, Purty's elbow comes
Speaker 1: back or Lance mix a jump. In the Dolphins case too,
Speaker 1: it doesn't keep getting concussed. But hey, Tom, wake quake.
Speaker 1: We're built to win now. And if you came just
Speaker 1: for one year, WHOA. No, you and I are leaning
Speaker 1: in the same direction. I mean that's why the backups
Speaker 1: Darnald and Mike White are not really super viable long
Speaker 1: term pieces. They are your classic emergency starter, meaning if
Speaker 1: Purdy goes out, Brady steps in. Nobody questions whether Brady's
Speaker 1: the guy right right? Yeah, No, I totally agree. And again,
Speaker 1: so you and I can sit here and say Brady
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. I know they're gonna at
Speaker 1: least try. But are we saying do we know what
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's gonna want to do? No, he said for good,
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming it's for good. I just know that
Speaker 1: if you were gonna go back on that, you've got
Speaker 1: two really attractive situations, one where your kids live and
Speaker 1: you have a place, and one where you grew up
Speaker 1: and your parents live. So Jimmy g to the raiders.
Speaker 1: You know, Jimmy G. Well, there's a lot of stories
Speaker 1: that can now be told because you don't have to
Speaker 1: cover him. So I'll throw out what I've been told
Speaker 1: by the years, by people in the building or around
Speaker 1: the building. He's a guy's guy. There are limitations on
Speaker 1: his arm despite being a pretty big, solid guy. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have much of a whip. Not terribly fluid, kind
Speaker 1: of mechanical. But he's a great locker room guy, kind
Speaker 1: of an alpha could at times not be flaky but
Speaker 1: disappear in the off season. They felt like he relied
Speaker 1: a lot on God's genetic gift to him size chest, confidence,
Speaker 1: wasn't a workaholic. He's as good as he should be
Speaker 1: considering his commitment. Okay, so first of all, I love
Speaker 1: Jimmy like I do. And one reason I love of
Speaker 1: is because I did write some of that. Last August
Speaker 1: or September, I came out with a thing talking about
Speaker 1: how they have the press conference in twenty eighteen after
Speaker 1: his five wins, they give him the money, he's the guy,
Speaker 1: and then they have the big, you know, celebration, and
Speaker 1: then he leaves and they don't hear from him again
Speaker 1: for months, and ghosting them over the off season was habitual,
Speaker 1: except for the year they drafted Trey Lance. He was
Speaker 1: really a tent of that off season. So I wondered
Speaker 1: how that was gonna go for me. After I wrote that,
Speaker 1: next time I saw Jimmy, it was all good. And
Speaker 1: you know that's yet another I do love Jimmy. I
Speaker 1: think he's awesome. I love his temperament. I think he
Speaker 1: had the best temperament for Kyle Shanahan, who gets really
Speaker 1: tightly wound and gruppy on game day. Sometimes not on
Speaker 1: game day. I think it rolled off Jimmy well. He
Speaker 1: was super popular. I think his arm, don't. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say anything bad about his arm. His release is so
Speaker 1: good and I don't think there are five other quarterbacks
Speaker 1: on Earth who really throw it like he does. In
Speaker 1: terms of release and short range short to media rage
Speaker 1: accuracy like it's you know, there were a lot of
Speaker 1: route or plays that were pointed out to me where
Speaker 1: people said it looked like Jimmy did went through his
Speaker 1: reads and led this guy perfectly. What might have happened
Speaker 1: here is Jimmy saw it late, but he gets it
Speaker 1: out so quick and so perfectly that it just looked
Speaker 1: like that. So I do think his arm is really good.
Speaker 1: People have talked about his deep balls. I don't know.
Speaker 1: So anyway, is Jimmy garoppolo. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks who are not grinders. One of them we
Speaker 1: suspect in Arizona because they put a clause in his
Speaker 1: contract about video games. One of them is trying to
Speaker 1: get a fully guaranteed deal. Now we should talk about that.
Speaker 1: By all metrics, he deserves relative to Deshaun Watson, and
Speaker 1: he deserves to get paid way more than Daniel Jones, etc.
Speaker 1: But I think one of the things hurting Lamar is
Speaker 1: this perception that he's not grinding in terms of off
Speaker 1: the field. And Jimmy is another guy who has acquired
Speaker 1: that reputation, and you know, will that change with Josh
Speaker 1: and Vegas probably if you look at how he acted
Speaker 1: when they drafted Lance. Yes, and also look, I love
Speaker 1: I love Jimmy in twenty twenty two, I don't give
Speaker 1: it f Jimmy, which was liberating. And I told him,
Speaker 1: you know, in late December when he was hurt, I said, dude,
Speaker 1: you realize that the most Niner thing ever is going
Speaker 1: to be for you to somehow come back and play
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl like it just is. And there was
Speaker 1: a moment sitting in that stadium with the link early
Speaker 1: where I'm like, purdies out, Josh Johnson's in, Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 1: just ran through five dudes, They're tied, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. Josh Johnson's gonna win this game somehow,
Speaker 1: and Jimmy Garoppolo is gonna come back in two weeks
Speaker 1: and start the Super Bowl against Patrick Mahof. So it
Speaker 1: didn't get quite that far, but I don't want to
Speaker 1: discount what he did. He really bailed them out last year.
Speaker 1: He played at a pro Bowl level. He got hurt.
Speaker 1: There was some tension after he got hurt. The way
Speaker 1: it was explained to me is that you know Trey Lance,
Speaker 1: who was hurt, was coming to every meeting and really
Speaker 1: was engaged with Brock. Jimmy's style was to not show
Speaker 1: up a lot. Kyle had never specifically said this is mandatory,
Speaker 1: get your butt in here, and so he wasn't disobeying anything.
Speaker 1: It was just a different approach. And it's possible that
Speaker 1: that what Jimmy was taught in New England, by the way,
Speaker 1: that Bill's approach is when you're injured, just you know,
Speaker 1: stay out of it. But that if there was any
Speaker 1: tension at the end, you know, it was a three
Speaker 1: year breakup, so of course there was ten shit, But
Speaker 1: if there was tension at the end, Kyle, I think,
Speaker 1: was frustrated that Jimmy wasn't hanging around the way Trey was.
Speaker 1: So I do want to move segue into Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: Years ago, Kirk Cousins got a guaranteed contract. It was
Speaker 1: highly criticized, dubious, too expensive. Minnesota was pretty desperate in
Speaker 1: a division with Aaron Rodgers, and so they offered it
Speaker 1: and Kirk, you know, with a chip on his shoulders,
Speaker 1: said I'm going to sign it. However, moving forward, nobody
Speaker 1: else offered a guaranteed contract, including the significantly more talented
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. My takeaway has always been I've seen this
Speaker 1: since I ran the volume. I'll make people an offer.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to offer you something just because I
Speaker 1: feel an inferior podcast company makes you an egregious offer. Right, So,
Speaker 1: Cleveland's a desperate franchise, much more desperate than Minnesota was
Speaker 1: with Kirk Cousins. I don't believe Baltimore, a highly functional organization,
Speaker 1: should look at Cleveland and go, well, they set the market.
Speaker 1: If you're not available on Sunday, I can't give you
Speaker 1: a fully guaranteed contract, right, you have to I have
Speaker 1: to be guaranteed, you know, buy and large. Brady showed
Speaker 1: up every Sunday five showed up, Eli Manning showed up,
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones shows up. There are guys that get dinged
Speaker 1: up for a variety of reasons. I love Lamar, but
Speaker 1: I worry that it's now personal because he doesn't have
Speaker 1: an agent. And when you don't have an agent, it
Speaker 1: does get personal because you are discussing people who are,
Speaker 1: if not lamenting, they are discussing your weaknesses and liabilities
Speaker 1: face to face. That's why I have an agent, Mike,
Speaker 1: so I don't have to deal with these kind of
Speaker 1: conversation one, which is why when you and I renegotiate
Speaker 1: our deal, we'll use agents and they can do all
Speaker 1: that crap take the arrows for us exactly. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: first of all, I believe the Ravens are not shining organizationally,
Speaker 1: and I have been as big a fan of that
Speaker 1: organization publicly as anyone for a long long time. I
Speaker 1: think they've botched this too. I have written that they
Speaker 1: left around and found out they were willing to go
Speaker 1: into the season, go and find we'll just play it
Speaker 1: out with Lamar and am I saying Lamar intentionally sat
Speaker 1: out all those games to spite them. No, but he
Speaker 1: didn't have that feeling that he was taken care of.
Speaker 1: And his coach came out publicly and was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I think he'll be back in a week or two,
Speaker 1: and which you know, I don't love. If I'm a
Speaker 1: player with a band and they've lost a winnable playoff
Speaker 1: game potentially against the Bengals, they didn't have him. Um,
Speaker 1: so they've budged it too. And if it's personal, maybe
Speaker 1: it's personal in their head too, But they've budged it.
Speaker 1: So let's let's assess a. Would it be easier if
Speaker 1: he had an agent? Yes, it would be easier. Does
Speaker 1: it mean he has to doesn't? You know Roquan Smith
Speaker 1: doesn't have an agent and they got their thing done.
Speaker 1: It'd be easier, especially right now gauging the market all that.
Speaker 1: It would be better I think for everyone. But you
Speaker 1: know that's not my decision. Um is. I'm told to
Speaker 1: Colin that Lamar's Lamar can't get past, and we've all
Speaker 1: been there right in our careers. Lamar can't get past.
Speaker 1: I'm better than Deshaun Watson and I'm not screwing up
Speaker 1: off the field like and I'm not saying he's wrong.
Speaker 1: I think he is totally. Absolutely, He's always been a
Speaker 1: better thrower than anybody wants to admit. Yeah, so the
Speaker 1: so the you know, Gene Hackman's fallen sheriff in unforgiven
Speaker 1: says to Clint Eastwood, you know, I don't deserve this,
Speaker 1: And you know Clint says, who's got nothing to do
Speaker 1: with it? You know, deserves got nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: He deserves to get a guaranteed deal more than Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson or Kirk Cousins. Yes, he deserves to get paid
Speaker 1: more than Daniel Jones for Heaven's sake. For Heaven's sake,
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, I mean, come on, that's that deal's not
Speaker 1: going to age. Well, I'm sorry, but as you know,
Speaker 1: it's all about circumstance at leverage. And he could have
Speaker 1: signed after year three, gotten a bunch of money up front,
Speaker 1: and now be trying to renegotiate from strength. He didn't
Speaker 1: do that. He didn't do what Kirk Cousins did and
Speaker 1: play out two franchise tags and putting his organization in
Speaker 1: a box to the point where they blinked and took
Speaker 1: Alex Smith that he was free, and they didn't do
Speaker 1: what Deshaun wat He hasn't done with Deshaun Watson did
Speaker 1: him Maybe he will, But Deshaun Watson showed up at
Speaker 1: training camp uncomfortably with an organization that didn't want him,
Speaker 1: reporters hounding him about something he didn't want to talk about,
Speaker 1: and fans checking out a circus, and he knew he
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna play. It turned out he wasn't gonna play
Speaker 1: for you know, almost a year and a half from
Speaker 1: that point. But by doing that and having the will
Speaker 1: to do that, he created leverage, and the Browns were
Speaker 1: desperate and he got that deal. So you know, you
Speaker 1: put all those things together, and if you're Lebar Jackson,
Speaker 1: well you don't have that kind of leverage or you
Speaker 1: haven't exerted that kind of will, now, could you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could say I've not played for thirty two million,
Speaker 1: go ahead and have fun with Tyler Huntley, and I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna sit Await. I'm not saying he should, but
Speaker 1: he could do. You think the Ravens, frustrated by it,
Speaker 1: would just say we're gonna move on, We're gonna draft
Speaker 1: another quarterback because we like our roster, our culture, our coach,
Speaker 1: and our defense. Yeah. Maybe, but I also think we're
Speaker 1: living in a weird world where, yeah, no one has
Speaker 1: stepped up and offered Lamar because partly because a lot
Speaker 1: of teams think we're just doing the Ravens work for him.
Speaker 1: We're gonna give him this deal he likes, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna match it, and we're going to alienate the people
Speaker 1: we have. The quarterbacks we have now who knew we
Speaker 1: were trying to replace him, So why would we do
Speaker 1: that if if Lamar were free? First of all, different story.
Speaker 1: Second of all, let's be honest. Desperation isn't confined to
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, and there aren't that many really good quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: which is why you and I are talking about ninety
Speaker 1: three year old Tom Brady. Sorry, Tom, I know you're
Speaker 1: only forty five. Yeah, that's why we're talking about Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: And that's why we're talking about Lists and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: There are only so many transcendent ones, and I think
Speaker 1: Lamar's transcendent. I'll stick up for Lamar as a player.
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the very, very best. He
Speaker 1: won seventy five percent of his starts in the AFC. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only you know, I think there is a little
Speaker 1: PTSD from the Russell Wilson trade, honestly, because for ten
Speaker 1: years we saw a guy be transcendent in my opinion,
Speaker 1: and then oh whoa, he looks nothing like that guy.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Geno Smith is now a pro
Speaker 1: bowler in his place. So that was that through people.
Speaker 1: But at some point if Lamar Jackson was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not playing for you, I'm sitting out, at some point,
Speaker 1: some owner or some GM or some coach or all
Speaker 1: three are gonna be like, man, our quarterback stakes, we're
Speaker 1: all gonna get fired, or if you're the owner, we're
Speaker 1: gonna lose. But we can go get that guy. Let's
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Speaker 1: dot net West Virginia. I want to talk about Shaw
Speaker 1: McVan the rams. So I contend that if you ask
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan if he could have a Super Bowl ring
Speaker 1: and McVeigh could dominate him, he would take the ring.
Speaker 1: But it does irk McVeigh greatly that he looks at
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor's weapons, Shanahan's weapons, his peers, you know, his
Speaker 1: age peers, and they're stacked. And he's sitting there thinking,
Speaker 1: I got an injured Cooper Cup, I don't like my
Speaker 1: back cam akers, my on line shit. Stafford's got an
Speaker 1: elbow issue and won't renegotiate and he's pissed. So in
Speaker 1: my world, he has used retirement twice last year to
Speaker 1: get a big contract this year, to get more leverage
Speaker 1: with personnel. And I was told a month ago by
Speaker 1: somebody inside the organization that knows Sean well. He basically said, fellas,
Speaker 1: I'll come back. We're moving off defense. I watched what
Speaker 1: all my contemporaries have, all these young coaches, and I
Speaker 1: see their weapons. We're spending money on offense, so I
Speaker 1: predicted they we're going to move Jalen Ramsey, get draft capital,
Speaker 1: FREEEP cash for offense. They move off Floyd good player,
Speaker 1: not great, but you know, eight sacks a year now
Speaker 1: they have a huge hole at that spot. They move
Speaker 1: off Bobby Wagner past his prime, but certainly high IQ.
Speaker 1: Excellent communicator, really a nice veteran piece on a playoff team.
Speaker 1: Excellent piece. So do you believe if I'm wrong on
Speaker 1: any of this shouted out, but I believe Sean has
Speaker 1: just said, guys, we're going to load the offense up now.
Speaker 1: I won you a super Bowl and the defense was
Speaker 1: fifteenth in the league. Do you think there's a struggle
Speaker 1: with him in less snead? I don't know, Okay, So
Speaker 1: first of all, fix the offensive line. That's the most important,
Speaker 1: that's more important than any of it. That would be
Speaker 1: no matter. Why do that. I think Sean's had a
Speaker 1: lot of power there. It justum, I believe he's sincerely
Speaker 1: thought about walking away the super Bowl year, and those
Speaker 1: TV jobs were good jobs, and he's a he you know,
Speaker 1: he's a supernova who burns himself hard like a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys, and he's been told for a long time,
Speaker 1: you'd be great at television. I could understand him seriously
Speaker 1: considering a reset. I think he regretted coming back pretty
Speaker 1: quickly when he had no offensive line and no alternative
Speaker 1: you know, weapon under than Cooper Cup at Higbee, and
Speaker 1: Stafford's r wasn't right and you know, etc. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think Sean has as much power as
Speaker 1: he needs in that building without having to do that personally,
Speaker 1: but maybe maybe he used it as a talking as
Speaker 1: a jumping off point to say, by the way, I
Speaker 1: want this established, that we're going to do this. I'll
Speaker 1: try to do some reporting on that. But I have
Speaker 1: a story for youa it goes back to the first
Speaker 1: thing you said. So in twenty seventeen, the Rams come
Speaker 1: out of nowhere and win that division in Shaun's first year,
Speaker 1: and there's this changing of the guard game at the
Speaker 1: end of the season in Seattle and they kill the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: just wipe them off the floor. And the Seahawks have
Speaker 1: decided they're going to get rid of a bunch of
Speaker 1: their you know, legendary players after the season and rebuild
Speaker 1: around Russell and Bobby Wagner, and the Rams have taken over.
Speaker 1: They clinch the division, and now they have one more
Speaker 1: game left against the Niners, who remember had been oh
Speaker 1: and nine. Jimmy shows up, they go on and run late.
Speaker 1: They beat the Jags on Christmas Eve days. So now
Speaker 1: they're playing a game in LA and Sean mcface smartly
Speaker 1: rests Jared Goff and a lot of his frontline players
Speaker 1: in that game. Well, you know, the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: were our role. They were loving the Jimmy thing. They
Speaker 1: were trying to win the league team rushing title. So
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel and some of their coaches were very like, hey,
Speaker 1: I wonder if we could finish first and rushing. And
Speaker 1: they had their reasons. You know, it was a last season,
Speaker 1: but they really wanted to finish strong, so they brought
Speaker 1: it in that game and they murdered the Rams, just
Speaker 1: blew them off the field. So now it's about exactly
Speaker 1: five years ago. I'm with Sean and a couple other
Speaker 1: people at bungalow in Santa Monica at night, outdoors, lovely establishment,
Speaker 1: and you know, we're having some drakes and just talking
Speaker 1: and Sean looks at me and says, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: something right now. I don't care if I'm fifteen and oh,
Speaker 1: I don't care if I've clinched every single thing I
Speaker 1: can clinch. I am never resting anyone against Kyle again.
Speaker 1: It will never happen, no more, not going through that again.
Speaker 1: So that should give you an idea of how they
Speaker 1: think about it. So, yeah, would Kyle give up all
Speaker 1: those games to have that Super Bowl on paper? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the experience of losing eight out of nine to
Speaker 1: Sean would probably, you know, just tear him up beyond belief.
Speaker 1: And I think as much as Sean could rationally tell himself,
Speaker 1: I won the one that mattered. It was the NFC
Speaker 1: Championship game and won the Super Bowl, it is it's
Speaker 1: really hard for him to lose those other eight. No,
Speaker 1: it's I've been told it eats away at him, it really.
Speaker 1: And listen, now the Niners bring in Hargrave, you know,
Speaker 1: who's you know, just another fantastic, pastic player because kin
Speaker 1: Law doesn't feel like it's working. So I mean they lost,
Speaker 1: you know, they lost a corner and then they lost
Speaker 1: Jimmy Warden. It's like, yeah, they're fine, They're really really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah they I mean they like the Seahawks. Early in
Speaker 1: Russell's tenure. They're paying more guys than you believe a
Speaker 1: team can pay, and the Rams kind of have done
Speaker 1: that too, but it's like WHOA. They pay the fullback
Speaker 1: premium Ushik, they pay McCaffrey premium running back money. They
Speaker 1: pay the left tackle Trent Williams premium money. They pay
Speaker 1: the tight end George Kittle, and they obviously are going
Speaker 1: to pay BOSSA. They pay Eric Armstead premium money. And
Speaker 1: now Hargrave. They paid green Law. They got him on
Speaker 1: what's going to be a good deal for them, but
Speaker 1: they paid him. They pay Fred Warder premium money, they
Speaker 1: paid char Various ward a year ago premium money, Hofanga.
Speaker 1: They still got other rookie deal, and you know their
Speaker 1: attitude is we're just gonna fill out around that and
Speaker 1: lose the mcglinchi's and the Jimmy Wards and the all
Speaker 1: shy ears as it happens, and try to you know,
Speaker 1: replace those people. But it's all geared toward that rookie
Speaker 1: quarterback deal. And if you hit a point where that
Speaker 1: doesn't work anymore, which again depends on Purdie's arm healing
Speaker 1: and or Lance possibly making a jump, then you have
Speaker 1: to make some tougher choices. But for now, yeah, they
Speaker 1: can get Hargrave, they can pay Bosa. And I know
Speaker 1: people don't believe this, but if they had to, they
Speaker 1: could pay Brady for one yep, yeoman effort by Mike
Speaker 1: Silver at the volume who who's battling either influenza or
Speaker 1: just oh look at that UCSB UCSB dad. I just
Speaker 1: want to be I'm a double UCSB dad. One graduate,
Speaker 1: one current attendee, So the Gauchos have a big one
Speaker 1: Friday against Baylor's in the NCAA Tournament. So I am repping.
Speaker 1: I'm taking Duke at pretty good odds. Duke lost one
Speaker 1: game when they were healthy, they won their last nine straight.
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite in the tournament? You know,
Speaker 1: I've been really detached from college basketball this year, partly
Speaker 1: because my alma mater went three and twenty seven and
Speaker 1: that's not a joke, literally like a cataclysmic So but
Speaker 1: you know, I don't really know it well enough to
Speaker 1: tell you who I fix is gonna win, but I
Speaker 1: will say, you know, the Gauchos to me, are the
Speaker 1: type of team that could make, you know, stun somebody.
Speaker 1: In Round one two years ago, they had a real
Speaker 1: chance to be Creighton came down to a five foot
Speaker 1: shot by their star big man that went in and out.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't get any better down one with
Speaker 1: at the buzzer. Basically, this time, they have a sophomore
Speaker 1: guard from Belgium named aj Mitchell who is really really
Speaker 1: special and to me, it's gonna be hard, but he's
Speaker 1: the kind of guy who in that setting could maybe
Speaker 1: elevate and shock the world once Mike, it's a great
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