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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor Protection of I Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: and Stuff Media. I'm an I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, and today

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Speaker 1: we're talking about candy canes because the holidays are upon

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Speaker 1: us and candy canes are terrible. Well, it turns out

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Speaker 1: neither you or I are into them. Really yes, um,

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Speaker 1: but I I did. I think it was when maybe

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Speaker 1: almost a year ago, Dylan and I went to that

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Speaker 1: candy museum slash exhibit right the the do it for

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Speaker 1: the Instagram, Yes, very much, just Instagram stuff. I mean

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Speaker 1: it was fun and we had a good time, but

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Speaker 1: in every room you got he's candy, and um, I

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Speaker 1: have eaten all the candy except the candy cane, which

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Speaker 1: has been sitting on my microwave since and a couple

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Speaker 1: of months ago, I was microwaving something and I was

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Speaker 1: staring at the candy cane, like, what the heck is

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Speaker 1: going on here? Because I've never really thought about it,

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Speaker 1: like the shape and the colors. I just I must

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Speaker 1: know more about this and wish episode. No, that's that's great.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I think it's it's important to be curious,

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Speaker 1: and this is certainly a curious story, or a number

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Speaker 1: of stories Oh yeah, it's weird. Oh absolutely, But you

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Speaker 1: know I don't like them. Um. I don't like hard

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Speaker 1: candy in general because, like and stick candy in particular,

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Speaker 1: it just gets it gets so stabby and and then

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Speaker 1: you cut yourself and then it's covered in drool and

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Speaker 1: and sucking on things just like here taps the inside

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Speaker 1: of my mouth anyway, and so my entire feeling about it,

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Speaker 1: it's just like why Yeah, I mean I have my

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Speaker 1: whole meant thing. I know they come in other flavors now,

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Speaker 1: but like, I'm just not that into it. Um. We

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Speaker 1: were talking before this started about how they can be

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Speaker 1: used as we have been several hormones, several yeah, and

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Speaker 1: uh television shows. Yeah, I feel like there was a

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Speaker 1: related It might it might have been a hard candy

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Speaker 1: that was not a candy canon or in just The

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Speaker 1: New Black anyway. Um. But but this brings us to

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Speaker 1: our question candy canes. What are they? Well, a candy

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Speaker 1: cane is a cane made of candy. There you go, simple,

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Speaker 1: nothing more to it. We were lying when we said

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Speaker 1: it's interesting and weird earlier. Yeah, I mean, you know

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Speaker 1: you've seen them. They're typically like the size and shape

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Speaker 1: of a long pencil that's hooked over at one end,

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Speaker 1: colored white with a red stripe winding around. It's sort

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Speaker 1: of an angle, so it's all pretty ribbon um. It's

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Speaker 1: a type of hard candy or boiled sweet, so called

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Speaker 1: because making it involves cooking refined granulated sugar with water

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Speaker 1: until the sugar dissolves, and then boiling the resulting syrup

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Speaker 1: until the water has evaporated out, leaving you with hot

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Speaker 1: sugar goo that is malleable, so that if you form

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Speaker 1: it into a shape, it'll keep that shape when it

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Speaker 1: cools and hardens. Uh huh. And there are a few

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Speaker 1: tricks to doing this, because sugar really wants to be crystals.

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Speaker 1: It's just the way that sucros molecules interact with each other.

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Speaker 1: They locked together like like legos or tetris pieces or

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Speaker 1: gear teeth, and crystals form, and in candy making, you

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Speaker 1: don't want that. You want the candy to be smooth,

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Speaker 1: and crystals are gritty, um like legos, as we who

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Speaker 1: have stepped on them all no um. Physically speaking, sugar

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Speaker 1: is an amorphous solid like glass, which is uh this

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Speaker 1: designation that scientists use when something behaves like a solid

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Speaker 1: like crystals in some situations and like a liquid in others.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of the scientific equivalent of going like WTF,

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Speaker 1: we don't know what this is. It's neither solid nor liquid.

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Speaker 1: It's an amorphous solid. But anyway, so, what you're doing

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Speaker 1: when you make hard candy is um. You're you're heating

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Speaker 1: those crystals so that they break apart into free flowing molecules. UM.

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Speaker 1: And you do that with water so that you don't

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Speaker 1: you boil of the water out. If you left more

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Speaker 1: water in, you would wind up ultimately with a softer

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Speaker 1: candy anything from like marshmallows to taffy UM. But for

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Speaker 1: hard candy. Uh. So yeah, you're you're making this super

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Speaker 1: saturated syrup of sucrose molecules, and then you stabilize them

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Speaker 1: by adding something that will interfere with them locking together.

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Speaker 1: And I guess technically any number of molecules would do,

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Speaker 1: but since you're making candy and not like poison um,

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Speaker 1: the two popular ones are glucose and or fruit toase

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Speaker 1: in the form of corn syrup or honey. Uh. Glucose

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Speaker 1: is a smaller molecule than sucrose, so it'll it'll slip

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Speaker 1: in between the sucrose molecules and prevent them from locking up. Perfect.

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Speaker 1: But wait, yes, the resulting hot sugar goo is sort

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Speaker 1: of clearish yellow, and candy canes have a base of white.

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Speaker 1: So are they dyed white? Are they? Nope? What? No? Um?

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Speaker 1: They appear white because of tiny air bubbles that are

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Speaker 1: worked into the goo so that they'll scatter the light

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Speaker 1: in this one, suckers. Oh no, oh, I don't even

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Speaker 1: so how you do that is you take your warm,

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Speaker 1: malleable sugar goo and you stretch and fold and stretch

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Speaker 1: it over and over again, working in tiny air bubbles

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Speaker 1: until it appears white. Uh. Stuff like cream of tartar

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Speaker 1: in and stabilize air bubbles in a mixture. Anyway. Uh.

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Speaker 1: At the stage, you can also add in any flavorings

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Speaker 1: white loaf of warm candy. The red bit is dyed.

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Speaker 1: that you then either fold into the loaf at intervals

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Speaker 1: your candy canes to be, and cut lengths of it

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Speaker 1: off and bend them at one end and let them

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Speaker 1: cool and harden. You can add other colorings into the

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Speaker 1: flavoring stage, but yeah, yeah, the result is a hard, brittle, shiny,

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Speaker 1: locked in um. If you can see him if you

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Speaker 1: break one, that's cool. Yeah right, maybe I'll break my candy.

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Speaker 1: Is my single candy game and that I was. I

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Speaker 1: didn't think about this, but I found on on mental

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Speaker 1: Flast they had this survey, how do people prefer to

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Speaker 1: eat them? Do you suck them or do you crunch them? Yes?

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Speaker 1: According to them, fifty of children report that they prefer

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Speaker 1: to suck on the candy, while two percent prefer to

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Speaker 1: bite into them, and half of that they were boys. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: of accidentally biting into hard candy or apples or carrots anything. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: imagine biting into a candy cane. I guess. I guess

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Speaker 1: I prefer I prefer to to bite them. Um, but

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Speaker 1: right right. Yeah, I don't mind candy cane I guess. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You can use them in like in like baking or

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Speaker 1: other dessert making. Is like it's like little kindycane crumbles. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're very um. You can use them in decoration or

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Speaker 1: I know some people like to put them in like

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Speaker 1: a holiday coffee or something and use this kind of

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Speaker 1: it is. It's true. They are very sticky, they are. Yea,

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Speaker 1: why coming out pretty already against candy canes. We didn't

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Speaker 1: mean to you. They got a really cool story. We'll

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Speaker 1: get to you anyway. What about nutrition, It's sugar. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just sugar. I think they're like fifty calories for one,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, it's I mean, you know, it's just it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's sugar. It's sugar. It's sugar. Well, people do

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Speaker 1: some numbers for you. Yeah, they're surprisingly popular, at least

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Speaker 1: conducted by candy store dot Com found that in Delaware, Maine, Pennsylvania, Washington,

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Speaker 1: and Georgia, where we are located, candy canes came out

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Speaker 1: as the most popular Christmas candy. Really, yes, but I

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Speaker 1: many other things when I think Christmas candy other than

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Speaker 1: candy canes, And like, how is the survey worded? Like

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Speaker 1: So therefore, I mean, but you can have like festively

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Speaker 1: that's honestly the candy that I associate with Christmas, possibly

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Speaker 1: That's such a fun amalgamation of things that is still

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Speaker 1: We talked about that one in our Flavors episode. Yeah

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Speaker 1: but gosh, that was a fun one. And yeah, you

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Speaker 1: can have a candy cane flavored other stuff like vodka,

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Speaker 1: because why not. In the world of vodka, it seems

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Speaker 1: Candy Gaine Day is December twenty six, which I find

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Speaker 1: really funny. Uh huh yeah, sure, the largest candy gagne

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Speaker 1: take pieces home after they got there. That record shards

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Speaker 1: danger shards, minty danger shards, another weaponized form of candy cane. Gosh. Well, um,

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Speaker 1: we have that fun history for you, we do. But

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Speaker 1: The story of the candy cane is one that is

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Speaker 1: So in that way, they're Christian. That's what most of

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Speaker 1: solid connection to Christianity, here it is Catholic priest automated

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Speaker 1: crook shaping exactly. And maybe I don't not him, but

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Speaker 1: Bob and these candies in particular, they might have popularized

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Speaker 1: one point Bob's Candies was selling half a million candy canes.

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Speaker 1: fun history, that is the candy cane. I love ones

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Speaker 1: like this that are just like no one knows, here's

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Speaker 1: a lot of weird stuff exactly. I love it too. Fun.

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Speaker 1: glad I didn't throw away that candy cane and then

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Speaker 1: plant the seed like I I was so confident to

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Speaker 1: look at that probably represents blood somewhere, somebody, somebody thinks

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Speaker 1: that that's blood. I love it and didn't let me down,

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Speaker 1: we're back with listen supposed to be the jingles, the

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Speaker 1: jingles that I listened to. It's hard, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: jingle with your voice. Thank you, Thank you. Keiana wrote,

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Speaker 1: I had to include this one. It's about Halloween. Halloween

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Speaker 1: is my favorite day of the year. Not only do

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Speaker 1: I get to dress up and act like a child,

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Speaker 1: but I love carving pumpkins and baking fun Halloween things.

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Speaker 1: So since you had a call out for pumpkin carvings,

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Speaker 1: I thought I would send in a few I've done

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Speaker 1: over the years, as well as some of the cakes

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Speaker 1: I've made for my parties. And also my cats. Yea, yes,

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Speaker 1: they aren't named after food, but they do love eating it.

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Speaker 1: They've stolen cupcakes off my counter and eating blocks of

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Speaker 1: butter on a few occasions. Oh goodness. Wow. For the record,

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Speaker 1: any pictures of animals are welcome, Like, they really don't

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Speaker 1: have to just be named after food. I mean, that's cute,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, this year's cake was a

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Speaker 1: cake to make the body shape of the spider, so

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Speaker 1: when I poured hot raspberry strawberry sauce on top, the

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Speaker 1: chocolate melted to reveal little spider eggs a mini marshmallows.

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Speaker 1: I was in Italy last year for Halloween. The Late

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Speaker 1: Night Catacomb Tour was amazing, the best Halloween ever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but before that, I had an ice cream test tube cake.

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Speaker 1: It was preceded by a chocolate bacon ghost cake and

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Speaker 1: a Haunted House pumpkin cake. I made the cheshire Cat

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Speaker 1: pumpkin this year, and also attached a few from other years,

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Speaker 1: including a Harry Potter pumpkin. His glasses were annoying, but

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Speaker 1: worth the effort. The pictures were delightd yes the ideas

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Speaker 1: most appreciated. Gosh right, yes, oh yeah, and he likes

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Speaker 1: a stunt cake, so I feel like this is going

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Speaker 1: to happen. So many marshmallows, the eggs. It's such a

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Speaker 1: good touch. It's so gross and wonderful. Um Liz wrote,

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Speaker 1: I forgot which episode it was mentioned, but you talked

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Speaker 1: about possiblely doing a Pokemon food episode as part of

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Speaker 1: your fictional food series. So I decided to give you

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Speaker 1: some help, as there is a lot of meat on

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Speaker 1: these bones and it would be appropriate with a new

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Speaker 1: game on the horizon. There's so many different kinds of

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Speaker 1: food in the games. Obviously, there's the basic berries, which

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Speaker 1: resemble several real world fruits. Uh, there's poke puffs, which

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Speaker 1: are a delicate, sweet treat covered in beautiful decorations. There's poffins,

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Speaker 1: another form of pastry which looks somewhat like bread in

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Speaker 1: my opinion. There's poke blocks, which are candy. These all

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Speaker 1: help raise stats of your Pokemon. There's lava cookies, rage candy,

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Speaker 1: rage candy that she included a few things I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to try to pronounce because I've never seen this series,

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Speaker 1: and Big mallis satas as well as specialty items specific

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Speaker 1: to a certain region. With the addition of sword and Shield,

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Speaker 1: there's now a curry deck which includes one different kinds

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Speaker 1: of curry, including one with Pokemon sausage. What's in Pokemon sausage,

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Speaker 1: No one knows. The developers won't say. Woof all right,

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Speaker 1: that's fine. In the anime, they've shown rice balls um

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Speaker 1: in it's infamously called jelly donuts in the American dub

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Speaker 1: and chocolate enjoyed by Pokemon and humans alike. There are

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Speaker 1: products derived from Pokemon, like honey from the combes and

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Speaker 1: movem a milk from Milk Tank. It's also implied people

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Speaker 1: and Pokemon also eat Pokemon, like slow poketails and far

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Speaker 1: fetched soup. There's also poke Chow, which appears to be

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Speaker 1: a kibble for Pokemon to eat. You can also find

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Speaker 1: fans who have made interpretations of these poke foods, and

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Speaker 1: there's a cookbook, though it's more about making foods that

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Speaker 1: look like Pokemon instead of foods from Pokemon. This is

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Speaker 1: a wealth of information that I appreciate so much. Heck,

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Speaker 1: I don't know much about Pokemon, but I'm in love

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Speaker 1: with all of this. I like the thought put into

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Speaker 1: what things could possibly be. Yeah. Yeah, the the entire

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Speaker 1: like poke cannibalism issue is one is one that my

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Speaker 1: friends have discussed, uh, pretty extensively, so you're a little

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Speaker 1: prepared on that front. I'm vaguely I've I've heard of

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Speaker 1: it at any rate and exposed. Yes, yeah, Pokemon Go

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Speaker 1: is my only exposure to to the series. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: I find it super delightful. Even though I'm like a

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Speaker 1: heck and old lady, I'm like, that's fine, Um, but

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Speaker 1: this is this is also good. I we we need

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Speaker 1: to we need to find someone who is a bigger

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Speaker 1: fan of the series and come to an episode about

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Speaker 1: okay food with us. Absolutely, I think we're in the

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Speaker 1: right place our office. Somebody is bound to have that knowledge. Yes,

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Speaker 1: given the number of times that we have sung the

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Speaker 1: Pokemon theme song at karaoke. I'm going to go ahead

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Speaker 1: and say yeah, which I think we also posted on

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Speaker 1: a one of our very few stories ever was us

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Speaker 1: singing that, um uh we have a good time. We

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Speaker 1: absolutely do, and we absolutely will be doing an episode

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Speaker 1: on this. Yes, thank you, oh my gosh, thank you,

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Speaker 1: um thanks yeah for writing us to both of them,

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Speaker 1: and if you would like to write to us, you

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Speaker 1: can our email as hello at savorpod dot com or

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Speaker 1: find us on the aforementioned social media. We're on Facebook

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Speaker 1: and Instagram and Twitter at savor pod, and we do

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Speaker 1: hope to hear from you. Savor is production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Stuff Media. For more podcasts from my

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio, you can visit the I Heart Radio app,

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, as always to our super producers Andrew Howard

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Speaker 1: and Dylan Vegan. Thanks to you for listening, and we

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Speaker 1: hope that lots more good things are coming your way