Speaker 1: Sauce on the side.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 1: It's Gandhi here with Diamond. And I say this all
Speaker 1: the time because I'm always excited for the guests that
Speaker 1: we have come in. We have a guy named Rob
Speaker 1: Shooter coming in today. Rob Shooter you may have heard
Speaker 1: on The Big Show, The Naughty Gossip. He used to
Speaker 1: be in pr and he has all the tea on
Speaker 1: all the people, and I know Diamond probably has a
Speaker 1: million things that she wants to ask him. But he's
Speaker 1: just a good time. He even just him telling a
Speaker 1: regular story about his day walking here whatever. He's highly entertaining.
Speaker 1: So I'm very excited to have him in here today.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: What are you chompa at the bit about here?
Speaker 3: Well? I follow him on substack number one. I don't
Speaker 3: understand the Megan Mark will hate. But I can't tell
Speaker 3: if he like is telling a story from a friend perspective,
Speaker 3: or if he's trying to shit on her. Okay, you
Speaker 3: know so, But also I don't understand why people don't
Speaker 3: like her like I, you know. And then also he
Speaker 3: just knows so many people, well I want to know,
Speaker 3: you know, he does who he likes, who.
Speaker 1: He doesn't like, he's pretty open about that stuff too. Yes,
Speaker 1: he tries lightly every now and then, but if you
Speaker 1: really get him going, he's like, and by the way,
Speaker 1: so and so fucking sucks. I love it because I
Speaker 1: want to hear those things, like when you hear it
Speaker 1: from an everyday person that maybe ran into Jennifer Lopez
Speaker 1: one time. And I have no doubt we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about jay Lo a lot. You can't necessarily go
Speaker 1: on their experience as to like who she is as
Speaker 1: a person. You can go on their experience as far
Speaker 1: as what she was to them at that moment. Sure,
Speaker 1: so if she was a bitch to them, I believe
Speaker 1: that that doesn't make her a bitch overall. But Rob
Speaker 1: worked for these people, with these people. He's attended award shows, Gallas,
Speaker 1: like all the stuff with incredibly popular celebrities, so he
Speaker 1: knows them, knows them, and I can't wait to get
Speaker 1: some of this info. I hope that you are ready
Speaker 1: to be a part of it for this. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: talk about that for the second. So some of our
Speaker 1: most popular episodes are when it's just you, Me and
Speaker 1: Andrew and Josh. If he wants to come in here,
Speaker 1: we've talked about this a million times, but you don't
Speaker 1: really like I mean, I guess you'll do that. You
Speaker 1: do those episodes of me, and you don't care about
Speaker 1: that so much, but you never want to be on
Speaker 1: the air, on the show, on the big show. Why.
Speaker 3: I think that people don't realize that there's a lot
Speaker 3: of pressure when it comes to the big show. Really yeah,
Speaker 3: I feel like there's a lot of pressure period with
Speaker 3: certain things, like I'm nervous. I can talk to you.
Speaker 3: I can talk to you because I'm comfortable with you. Okay,
Speaker 3: we chat whatever. Honestly, I don't remember half of the
Speaker 3: things that I say. So when people are like, oh
Speaker 3: I loved what you said or I love you on
Speaker 3: Gandhi's podcast, I'm like, oh god, what did I say?
Speaker 2: Like I don't remember.
Speaker 1: People say all the time, more diamond, we want more diamond.
Speaker 2: God, it makes me nervous.
Speaker 3: Things just come out of my mouth, right, And so like,
Speaker 3: I think that when it comes to the big show,
Speaker 3: if I say something I probably shouldn't say, I feel
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna get in trouble for it.
Speaker 2: I probably won't Who.
Speaker 1: Would get you? Who would come for you?
Speaker 2: Ah? Actually, it's like our question, no our vet manager.
Speaker 3: No, I think people maybe the people. And it's easy
Speaker 3: to say that you don't care about what people have
Speaker 3: to say about you, but sometimes, like I think my
Speaker 3: biggest thing is like saying something that I don't mean,
Speaker 3: like unintentionally hurting people's feelings or something.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, true.
Speaker 1: We should get to this with Rob too. I think people,
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. As someone who is shit
Speaker 1: on often, I really don't care that much anymore. I mean,
Speaker 1: every now and then there might be like I might
Speaker 1: be having a bad day and you're like, ah, shit,
Speaker 1: that was mean. Why did you have to send me that?
Speaker 1: But I don't seek it out. I read the comments
Speaker 1: on my page, and I think I've done a pretty
Speaker 1: good job so far, like filtering out all of the
Speaker 1: people who I am not interested in hearing from anymore.
Speaker 1: But it is like, it is what it is. Right,
Speaker 1: you have an opinion about something, You're never gonna make
Speaker 1: anybody happy. You're never gonna make everybody happy. I should say,
Speaker 1: hopefully make somebody happy. But as long as you're happy,
Speaker 1: you're not hurting anybody who cares. People misspeak all the time,
Speaker 1: people fuck things up all the time. Whatever, Hm, shit happens,
Speaker 1: but I understand stepping into the arena. I remember, it's
Speaker 1: a little wild. Yeah, I mean even I will tell
Speaker 1: you this, and I think I've said this before. So
Speaker 1: I started as an intern when I was in radio.
Speaker 1: I was still in college, and then they hired me
Speaker 1: full time. I was still in college. But I think
Speaker 1: because I was so young the audience and because it
Speaker 1: was a Midwest and they had started my journey with
Speaker 1: me and followed along, they were super supportive and it
Speaker 1: was like everything I did they clapped and they were nice,
Speaker 1: and it was like, yay, oh my gosh, good job,
Speaker 1: you're growing up. So when I moved to Boston, because
Speaker 1: they recruited me hard to move to Boston, I just
Speaker 1: expected that that's how everyone was gonna treat me. And
Speaker 1: fun fact no, So that was actually my first venture
Speaker 1: into like the rings of hell. It was so bad.
Speaker 1: They were like whole pages. I mean, I guess this
Speaker 1: still exists, but there was like Facebook pages about how
Speaker 1: I've ruined everything on my first day. What I hadn't
Speaker 1: even had a chance to like talk and get things going.
Speaker 1: Give me a year and then tell me that I
Speaker 1: ruined it all. Fine, but day one, no, it was
Speaker 1: so mean, and then I was like, okay, well I'm prepared,
Speaker 1: Like now I know, I'm bracing myself.
Speaker 2: It's okay.
Speaker 1: And then I came here thinking it'll probably be like
Speaker 1: the same in the beginning as Boston. But this show
Speaker 1: is so much bigger and had such a big pull
Speaker 1: and reach that I was not prepared for the tsunami
Speaker 1: of mean shit that started coming my way and then
Speaker 1: didn't stop. Well, I didn't change myself. I would drown
Speaker 1: in that. So you just I don't care about it.
Speaker 1: I know it's easy to say, it's not necessarily easy
Speaker 1: to do, but I think there are four more people
Speaker 1: who are rooting for you and who love you, and
Speaker 1: who are more diamonding it all the time. So I
Speaker 1: think you undersell yourself. And I think you're really good
Speaker 1: at what you do.
Speaker 2: Oh I think I would love.
Speaker 1: To have more of you here and on the show. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you that you're not going to do it.
Speaker 2: Maybe this is the year. What yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Maybe let's make it happen.
Speaker 2: Let's get it popping.
Speaker 1: You know, Elvis loves talking to you.
Speaker 3: Scares me though, Why he's just a different type of person.
Speaker 1: What are you scared of? Elvis, it's not the way.
Speaker 1: At some point, guarantee he pops in here. Because he's
Speaker 1: here today, wandering around somewhere. He's gonna come in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, keep me on my toes. Why don't you. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I just I'm like, oh god, what, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: It's something about him that I'm just it makes me
Speaker 3: uneasy when Mike's are around.
Speaker 2: If we're just chilling, fine, I'll say whatever.
Speaker 1: But like, oh see, I would say, of all the
Speaker 1: dudes that I've worked with, he's the easiest one to
Speaker 1: play back and forth with. Oh god, the easiest. I mean,
Speaker 1: like he just he rolls with it. He's really witty
Speaker 1: and funny.
Speaker 4: He is and there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that there have been a lot
Speaker 1: of instances that I've been in where a lot of
Speaker 1: it happens here all the time. I'll say something that
Speaker 1: I think is hilarious and there's like no reaction whatsoever.
Speaker 1: He reacts most of the time, even if it's silent
Speaker 1: and he's like flipping me the bird. He does. He's
Speaker 1: paying attention to like what's going on. So he is
Speaker 1: pretty easy to interact with. You just gotta interact, Oh okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So One of the things about radio is open ended
Speaker 1: answers or long answers. I should say open ended questions.
Speaker 1: So like, if I ask you a question, the response
Speaker 1: should never be yes or no. Fine, it should be
Speaker 1: a yes and or a no because we're learning.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, we're gonna do it is I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean that's better. You know what you said. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be the year. We have a whole year
Speaker 1: to work on it. Okay, But until then, I say,
Speaker 1: we welcome Rob Shooter. So I am here with Rob Shooter,
Speaker 1: who is one of our favorite guests that we have
Speaker 1: on The Big Show all the time, the Naughty Gossip.
Speaker 1: Should we play his theme song.
Speaker 4: Advice or Shooter? See Rob?
Speaker 1: Okay? So, Rob, every time you come in and you
Speaker 1: talk to us for maybe twenty minutes, I have a
Speaker 1: billion more questions about what is going on in the
Speaker 1: world of celebrity and specifically with like you as a
Speaker 1: human being, how your life as a publicist for celebrities started,
Speaker 1: some of the juiciest things that you've seen and done,
Speaker 1: and just in general, like what is your life like?
Speaker 4: That's why you have this podcast? See because the what
Speaker 4: do you call it? The Big Show? I like that.
Speaker 4: So the Big Show, it's brilliant, But that Big Show
Speaker 4: is a machine and it has to move at a
Speaker 4: certain pace and there's technical stuff that I didn't realize
Speaker 4: until I got my own TV show. You have to
Speaker 4: throw the commercial break, you have to pay the bills,
Speaker 4: and so that Big Show, even though it sounds like
Speaker 4: it is all spur of the moment, a lot of
Speaker 4: it is sort of mapped out. That's the genius I
Speaker 4: think of Elvis and the team is that you have
Speaker 4: to sort of like put this jigsaw puzzle together or
Speaker 4: playe together the while you're flying it, and you can
Speaker 4: do both at once. But that's what I love now
Speaker 4: about your podcasts and people's podcasts. You can take those
Speaker 4: little nuggets, which are delicious. I'm not criticizing the Big Show.
Speaker 4: I'm a huge fan of it. I've been doing it
Speaker 4: for decades. But you can take those little pieces of
Speaker 4: conversation and you can expand them, and that's what you
Speaker 4: do better than anybody else.
Speaker 1: I love you, and I want to expand on so much.
Speaker 1: I know Diamond has some questions because she subscribes to
Speaker 1: your substack, which, by the way, if people want to
Speaker 1: do that, Rob how can they do that?
Speaker 4: Yes, so sub sex this amazing platform that I didn't
Speaker 4: really know much about it. So people are no longer
Speaker 4: going to websites. Nobody goes to people dot com or
Speaker 4: a stock that. People are not going to websites anymore.
Speaker 4: What's happening is and I love this. We have to
Speaker 4: come to you. Yeah, so my website Lazier every day
Speaker 4: exactly knocking on your door. I think it's six months
Speaker 4: for people now want information in newsletters, and you've got
Speaker 4: to change with the times. Ten years ago I was
Speaker 4: waking up every morning and watching the Today Show. I
Speaker 4: love it. My habits have changed now, and so I
Speaker 4: think we get our news in a different way. And
Speaker 4: the smartest business people I know have changed with the times.
Speaker 4: And I think part of my success in this business
Speaker 4: is I've constantly reinvented myself. Not necessarily the content of
Speaker 4: the work. It's always been, you see, naughty but nice gossip,
Speaker 4: but the way I deliver it is something that I
Speaker 4: think about a lot. So about a year ago, a
Speaker 4: friend of mine is telling me about substack and this
Speaker 4: is the new thing, and I played with a little bit.
Speaker 4: And whenever you start something, you're not going to be
Speaker 4: good at it. So that's why a lot of people
Speaker 4: don't start, because they're frightened of being criticized. I don't care.
Speaker 4: So I started it and I was awful, but after
Speaker 4: about six months I got really good at it. And
Speaker 4: now my substack is on fire. And so each day,
Speaker 4: if you sign up for it, get a substack Rob
Speaker 4: Shooter and type in my name and you just put
Speaker 4: in your email address, and then throughout the day, every
Speaker 4: time a really big story breaks, two three times a day,
Speaker 4: you get a really short email. And at first I
Speaker 4: was like, gosh, am I overloading people? And the answer
Speaker 4: is yes, I was. It was Elvis who said, you
Speaker 4: are blowing up my own box. He said four a
Speaker 4: day unless like something tragic happens, and he gave me
Speaker 4: a very tragic story that I won't repeat. So four
Speaker 4: times a day, I picked the biggest story, four times
Speaker 4: a day, and I give you some insight, I give
Speaker 4: you some exclusive information, and people are eating it up.
Speaker 4: I feel like I always felt a little bit in
Speaker 4: the shadow of pres Hilton. He got there first. He
Speaker 4: really owned the blog, he owned that world. I thought,
Speaker 4: I know, I'm a bete, which I wouldn't do. I
Speaker 4: knew as a better columnist. I knew I was a better,
Speaker 4: better writer. I knew I had better sources, but he
Speaker 4: got there first, and I tipped my hat to him.
Speaker 4: I have so much respect that he did it. But
Speaker 4: I was always a little bit in his shadow. He
Speaker 4: was my Britney and I was Jessica Simpson like I
Speaker 4: just I wasn't quite the star Stack. For the first
Speaker 4: time ever, I feel like the star. I'm really killing it.
Speaker 4: So if you if you want gossip, if you love
Speaker 4: a celebrity gossip, and you don't want to get to
Speaker 4: websites anymore, then then sign up and you literally get
Speaker 4: a substack and then it will say sign up, and
Speaker 4: you type in rob Shooter and it brings you to
Speaker 4: my page. And then you put your email address in
Speaker 4: said s h u t e R rob R A
Speaker 4: B s h u t e R. If you want
Speaker 4: a short go or a B s h u t
Speaker 4: e R dot substack dot com. All right, I'll take
Speaker 4: it right there. Put your email addressing and it's really
Speaker 4: simple too. I think this is a real lovely thing
Speaker 4: about substack. You know, sometimes when you sign up for something,
Speaker 4: you can't subscribe unless you go down a rabbit hole
Speaker 4: up and lad down. It gives you ten steps and
Speaker 4: then I'll still get your emails this If you get
Speaker 4: bored of me, and you won't, you just hit one
Speaker 4: little unsubscribe and I'm gone.
Speaker 1: Are you selling our information to a third part?
Speaker 4: I'm not. Yeah, no, not yet. But it is lovely
Speaker 4: to see you build something. You're doing it with this podcast.
Speaker 4: We've been both of us. We've been parts of massive organizations,
Speaker 4: so big brands, which I'm so lucky at as being
Speaker 4: part of it, and they're great. But it's also lovely
Speaker 4: to have your own little piece of the pie. It is.
Speaker 1: It's nice to do something creatively that is just you
Speaker 1: and it's just what you want to do. Nobody's forcing you,
Speaker 1: nobody's telling you what you can and can't say. You're
Speaker 1: not really taking off clients. We don't have any. It's great.
Speaker 4: How long before this show hit its strung?
Speaker 1: This podcast?
Speaker 4: Yeah? When we like this is the show, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That it has yet rights, we're working on it. We
Speaker 1: So what's really interesting is I love having guests on
Speaker 1: because I say this all the time. There are things
Speaker 1: I want to do with this podcast. I want people
Speaker 1: to learn something and get information from this right in
Speaker 1: some capacity. And that's why I like having guests, because
Speaker 1: I feel like we can learn something from every guest
Speaker 1: who comes in. You can learn something from everybody every day.
Speaker 1: But our most popular episodes, once people love the most,
Speaker 1: are when it's just Diamond and Me shooting the ship
Speaker 1: talking about nothing with Diamonds terrible.
Speaker 4: I get the same on my show. On my podcast
Speaker 4: Naughty but Nice, I used to have a celebrity guest
Speaker 4: maybe two or three times a week, normally a housewife,
Speaker 4: someone related always to a Kardashian, somebody that was involved
Speaker 4: in the world of royals. And what I figured out
Speaker 4: very quickly is they necessary didn't necessarily want want guests.
Speaker 4: They wanted me. Your listeners want you. Well, that's it's
Speaker 4: so flattering.
Speaker 1: It is very flattering, it's super nice, and it's just
Speaker 1: a fun thing to do. It's a creative outlet. I
Speaker 1: was a producer my whole life until I came here,
Speaker 1: and now I've been here for long enough that maybe
Speaker 1: I should have shaken it a little bit. But it's
Speaker 1: really tough for me to just sit in the seat
Speaker 1: and only talk and not do all the other things around.
Speaker 4: Don't shake it. Honestly, if you've got a skill out there,
Speaker 4: whatever you're doing right now, you did something before this,
Speaker 4: and if you enjoyed it, you can bring it all together.
Speaker 4: For a long time, when I was a publicist, I
Speaker 4: didn't really like being a publicist. I didn't really want
Speaker 4: to do that job. I wanted to say something myself.
Speaker 4: It was very difficult to walk red carpets and not speak.
Speaker 4: I wanted to be talking and that didn't necessarily want
Speaker 4: to be famous. But I had a voice, and so
Speaker 4: that's why I made a pivot. However, all the skills
Speaker 4: I learned as a publicist I now use and that
Speaker 4: has really helped. So don't ever think like because you
Speaker 4: were something, it doesn't it doesn't affect you anymore. It
Speaker 4: actually makes you who you are.
Speaker 1: Right, That's my foundation. And I actually think and Diamond
Speaker 1: could probably attest to this in one way or another.
Speaker 1: I think it drives people around here nuts because everybody
Speaker 1: has this one position that they do, this one thing
Speaker 1: that they do all the time. But from where I came,
Speaker 1: I did all of those jobs. So it kind of
Speaker 1: turns into a situation every now and then where I'm like,
Speaker 1: don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
Speaker 1: I know how this works, I'll do it myself. And
Speaker 1: then you know that's not really how.
Speaker 4: People want to I started as a receptionist in my
Speaker 4: first job in America. I answered the telephones at this
Speaker 4: big PR company BNC, Bragman I mcafarelli. One of the
Speaker 4: biggest would be Goldberg, Cameron, dis Kate Hudson. They had
Speaker 4: superstar clients and big corporate clients too. And it's back
Speaker 4: in the day when we didn't have cell phones, and
Speaker 4: so you had to phone the main number to get
Speaker 4: your publicist. And so every celebrity, every client would come
Speaker 4: through my switchboard, would come through the reception And I
Speaker 4: learned everything doing that job. And if somebody had said
Speaker 4: to me, like Rob on your resume, it's a good
Speaker 4: resume now, and there's some pretty impressive stuff on there,
Speaker 4: the one where I learned everything was the reception desk.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad that I wasn't one of those privileged
Speaker 4: kids that got to miss that beat of life, because
Speaker 4: some people go into companies and your dad's famous at
Speaker 4: your mum's reach and you go straight into hot I
Speaker 4: started at the bottom of the ladder and I'm really
Speaker 4: grateful about that, because saying the skills you learn, you
Speaker 4: don't get so much.
Speaker 1: You learn about people, You learn how to interact with people.
Speaker 1: You see the ship that rolls downhill, And how when
Speaker 1: somebody at the top just you know, is feeling whimsical
Speaker 1: one day and they just don't want to do the
Speaker 1: thing that they said they were going to do, how
Speaker 1: that impacts every other person down the road. So like,
Speaker 1: I try really hard not to do that. Even though
Speaker 1: I did cancel a guest recently because everyone was saying
Speaker 1: how much I was going to love this woman and
Speaker 1: it was going to be wonderful and I need to
Speaker 1: watch this show. And then I watched the show and
Speaker 1: I was appalled, and I was like, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't even want.
Speaker 4: That, But is that lovely on this show? You to
Speaker 4: get to make that decision on the big show. If
Speaker 4: a whole celebrity turns up, we were not going to
Speaker 4: name them. We're not going to get in trouble here
Speaker 4: at iHeart, but we all know who you are. You've
Speaker 4: still got to do it here. You don't have to.
Speaker 4: It's your shirt.
Speaker 1: You're right, And by the way, you're not gonna get
Speaker 1: in trouble for any things you say on this part,
Speaker 1: you are safe. We call this the immunity room. Oh,
Speaker 1: because at some point I'm gonna want you to name names.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty I'm pretty open.
Speaker 1: Okay, So first up, Diamond has a question about what
Speaker 1: she's constantly seeing in your sub stack. Someone to let
Speaker 1: her ask it.
Speaker 4: Go Diamond, Hello, what is the.
Speaker 2: Real issue with Megan Mark?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 2: And I want to say, does she deserve it? But
Speaker 2: according to your substack, sometimes you make me feel like
Speaker 2: she does. I don't know what I'm.
Speaker 4: Missing Meghan, Like everybody is really complicated. And when you
Speaker 4: tell a story about a friend or a celebrity, it's
Speaker 4: easy to do black or white. It's easy to do
Speaker 4: one or a hundred. That's not true of anybody. We
Speaker 4: all have our good days, we all have ha bad days.
Speaker 4: Meghan has this ability to just make terrible decisions, business decisions.
Speaker 4: I think she's made a really good romantic decision and
Speaker 4: she's got the life partner that she loves. But if
Speaker 4: there's a way to mess something up, they'll do it.
Speaker 4: And I think part of it is what makes Meghan
Speaker 4: a superstar, what makes her so interesting, what makes Harry
Speaker 4: a superstar and so interesting is the one thing they're
Speaker 4: trying to run away from, which is that they were
Speaker 4: part of the royal family. So if you don't want
Speaker 4: to talk about that, Harry, Meghan, then you're going to
Speaker 4: go away. You've got to find something else to talk about.
Speaker 4: And they've not been able to figure that out. I
Speaker 4: say to friends all the time, if you don't want
Speaker 4: to do this anymore, then what are you going to
Speaker 4: do instead? If you pull a weed out of your garden,
Speaker 4: unless you stick another plant into that hole, that weed's
Speaker 4: going to grow back. So Harry and Meghan have become
Speaker 4: famous through now talking about the royals, and it's such
Speaker 4: a contradiction because if you spoke to Meghan or Harry,
Speaker 4: they'd I don't want to talk about that, want my privacy,
Speaker 4: don't But then they talk about it. Meghan gave us
Speaker 4: all a lecture about social media and the dangers of it,
Speaker 4: and I think she's actually probably right in a lot
Speaker 4: of it. And then we see her children pop up
Speaker 4: on her Instagram accounts, and it's always when she wants
Speaker 4: to sell us something. So I wish they put better
Speaker 4: people around them. Harry, I understand why when you when
Speaker 4: you grow up entitled. When you grow up in a palace,
Speaker 4: you have the best team in the world, but you
Speaker 4: don't know that because you've never not had them. You
Speaker 4: lose a good hairdresser and then you realize how good
Speaker 4: they are. You don't know how good your nail salon
Speaker 4: is until he or her quits. And that's what happened
Speaker 4: with Harry. He just thought he could turn up and
Speaker 4: whatever he touched would turn to gold, because that's what
Speaker 4: happened his whole life. Without the infrastructure of the palace,
Speaker 4: that's very, very difficult. So I have her love hate
Speaker 4: with Meghan. I've met her several times. She's charming, she's funny,
Speaker 4: she's witty, she's pushy, But so are a lot of
Speaker 4: men like you know, so I don't want to fall
Speaker 4: into that trap of just beating up Meghan. But even
Speaker 4: me and the Ally, I'm like, oh, girl, did you
Speaker 4: have like did you have of all the decisions? Like
Speaker 4: the jam magnet? It was runny badly many you couldn't
Speaker 4: order it. And then I bought my mom for Christmas
Speaker 4: and Megan Candle it turned up and it didn't have
Speaker 4: a wick in it.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I don't love Megan together. And when
Speaker 5: you mess with people's money. It's fine if I'm just
Speaker 5: giggling at you as a real housewife, but when I'm
Speaker 5: buying your products, And the Kardashians know this better than anybody.
Speaker 4: Their products are good. Karlie Jenner is a billionaire because
Speaker 4: they're good. Jessica Simpson's billionaire because there's slutty shoes she
Speaker 4: sells are fabulous, like the p So I just want Megan, like,
Speaker 4: make it about the work. Do the work? Does that
Speaker 4: answer sort of?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, But then I want to know why
Speaker 3: what's going on with the publicists?
Speaker 2: Like why have they? I read the other day that
Speaker 2: they it's.
Speaker 4: Like the twelfth the twelfth run. Yeah, And then but.
Speaker 3: Then they're also like they try to tell the publicists
Speaker 3: what to do. So that's why the public what is happening.
Speaker 4: It's very difficult to run a big business like markle Ink,
Speaker 4: like Sussex Inc. Without learning that craft and not Harry.
Speaker 4: But Meghan went from zero to one hundred on the
Speaker 4: day she got married, and suddenly she was operating in
Speaker 4: a capacity where she was in above her head, and
Speaker 4: rather than listen and learn and figure out how to
Speaker 4: do that, she turned away that advice and a lot
Speaker 4: of people quit. But we were talking about this earlier
Speaker 4: in the show. It's got to be a progression. I'm
Speaker 4: good at what I do now because I was a
Speaker 4: receptionist twenty years ago. Meghan I feel bad for because
Speaker 4: she went from here to there. She went from just
Speaker 4: being on a hit show. I raised my hat, tipped
Speaker 4: my hat to her, but she went to having a
Speaker 4: billion people watch her wedding. She went from that to
Speaker 4: being on the cover of magazines. She wasn't prepared. A
Speaker 4: good example of this is I used to work for
Speaker 4: Ashley Simpson. Ashley's first ever live performance on television should
Speaker 4: have been New York One. Should have been a local fair.
Speaker 4: It should have been like just Taylor Swift learned her craft.
Speaker 4: She was in Nashville, nobody was there. She played bar,
Speaker 4: she played nightclubs. She learned how to be Taylor's I
Speaker 4: used to work for Alicia Keys. Alicia Keys played every
Speaker 4: crappy piano bar in the world. She played, but she learned,
Speaker 4: she learned, She learned her craft. Megan Ashley Simpson didn't.
Speaker 4: Her first TV appearance was SNL and we know you
Speaker 4: were working and we know what happened. She should never
Speaker 4: have done that show, and I was the one I said, no,
Speaker 4: she should not. She shouldn't have done that show with Megan.
Speaker 4: You can't say she shouldn't do it because she's such
Speaker 4: a star now she's going to be just thrust into it.
Speaker 4: But she's so ill prepared and she hasn't picked the
Speaker 4: right people or she's not listening to the right people.
Speaker 4: It's a skill everybody. If you hire, if you hire
Speaker 4: an expert and then you design your own house, when
Speaker 4: it falls down, you can't blame the architect, like you
Speaker 4: know some people. I know what I don't know, and
Speaker 4: I think that's a skill. Learn it. I don't know
Speaker 4: how you learn it though, When when you're when you're
Speaker 4: when you've got the spotlight on you.
Speaker 1: So, if given the opportunity, would you be her publicist?
Speaker 4: No, because I forget No, I'll get fired and lets
Speaker 4: me no, I'm being kind here, and let's be honest.
Speaker 4: There's clearly something that's difficult about them to work for.
Speaker 4: We have friends, you know people, If you're on your
Speaker 4: fifth assistant, if you're on your fifth publicist, if you're
Speaker 4: on your fifth of our team, you're probably a mess.
Speaker 4: And so like you are difficult, and so I get it.
Speaker 4: They are difficult. They don't really know what they want.
Speaker 4: And the reason they don't know what they want is
Speaker 4: because they don't know who they are. My first book,
Speaker 4: The Forward Answer, it really told people, if you want
Speaker 4: to be successful, know who you are in forwards or less.
Speaker 4: Who are you? I'm funny, I'm naughty, I'm nice, I'm gay.
Speaker 4: Like pick your words. And if I said to Megan,
Speaker 4: who are you? In four words? Shore and have a clue,
Speaker 4: look in the mirror tonight, like everybody listening, look in
Speaker 4: the mirror when you clean your teeth, and say who
Speaker 4: am I in four words? And then write them down
Speaker 4: on a poster and stick them on your mirror. And
Speaker 4: then every opportunity that comes through your life, if he
Speaker 4: doesn't match three of the four words.
Speaker 1: Pass WHOA. That is really good advice. I have another question, please,
Speaker 1: I want you to ask all the questions.
Speaker 3: I really were you working for Alicia Keys when she
Speaker 3: decided to ruin that man's marriage?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Because this is something and the reason why. Okay, I
Speaker 3: know a lot of homeworkers. I know a lot of
Speaker 3: people who have ended up falling in love with people
Speaker 3: who were in complicated relationships, let's put it like that,
Speaker 3: or relationships that were ending. None of them have so
Speaker 3: publicly try to portray themself as a woman empowerment leader.
Speaker 3: Remember she was like helping women in Africa while stealing
Speaker 3: somebody's husband. And then when it came that this was happening,
Speaker 3: she was quiet. And then Swiss Beat's ex wife, who
Speaker 3: now they're all besties.
Speaker 2: I love that for them.
Speaker 3: But when Mashanda decided that she couldn't take it anymore
Speaker 3: and she decided to go on at on Twitter, Alicia
Speaker 3: was quiet, and I'm like, you're a woman who wants
Speaker 3: to empower women. What's going on now? So for that,
Speaker 3: she's never been forgiven. I feel like her voice has
Speaker 3: even taken a hit because of it.
Speaker 1: She is.
Speaker 2: She grinds my gears.
Speaker 4: I can hear it, I can hear it. But for it,
Speaker 4: I think it's because it touches you, because it's something
Speaker 4: that could potentially happen in your own life. That the
Speaker 4: best stories, the biggest stories I break are divorces or weddings,
Speaker 4: are births of funerals, which is the same in your
Speaker 4: regular life. If a friend has a baby, you want
Speaker 4: to see the pictures. If a friend gets married, you're
Speaker 4: really excited. I always get a spike in traffic when
Speaker 4: these really human stories come about, and that there's something
Speaker 4: about betraying that touches all of us because we've all
Speaker 4: been betrayed, and we've always we've all got a friend
Speaker 4: that has been betrayed. I broke the Hugh j Ackman
Speaker 4: story dating Sutton Foster, and it was a really tough
Speaker 4: story to me because I know dead but the wife
Speaker 4: a little bit and they've been together thirty years. And
Speaker 4: I get it. We're allowed to fall in and out
Speaker 4: of love with people, but don't be messy.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: You don't have to be cruel, like you can't divorce happens.
Speaker 4: I'm not Pollyanna, I'm not naive. I get it couples
Speaker 4: fall apart, but I hate the messiness. Ariana Grande with
Speaker 4: Ethan Slater. That time line is very fuzzy. Brad and
Speaker 4: Angelina insist that they didn't get together until after Jen,
Speaker 4: but that's a very fuzzy timeline. So these celebrities who
Speaker 4: think that we don't have a calendar or a Google
Speaker 4: search are so crazy. We see what you're up to.
Speaker 4: You're allowed to fall in love. You're allowed to fall
Speaker 4: out of love, but don't be sloppy or cruel about it.
Speaker 4: And there was a cruelness I think to Julia Roberts,
Speaker 4: her husband was married, he was a camera man on
Speaker 4: Julia's movie, and she and like, how can you compete
Speaker 4: with Julia Roberts. If my husband made a movie with
Speaker 4: Julia Robbers, I'd lose him to and he's gay. It's
Speaker 4: just it's like, it's unfairness to it. I think you're right, though,
Speaker 4: I think Alisha didn't handle this well. She didn't get
Speaker 4: in front of it, and ultimately too. We talk about publicists,
Speaker 4: we talk about managers like they have a magic wand
Speaker 4: if you do something shitty, if you do something bad,
Speaker 4: you did it like, thank you, you did it.
Speaker 1: Okay. So from a publicist perspective, because I say this
Speaker 1: all the time, I understand people are going to suck up.
Speaker 1: It happened, happens, we all do it. I don't understand
Speaker 1: when pr people sweep in to try and make it
Speaker 1: look like something that it wasn't. What is the problem
Speaker 1: behind being like, yeah, fucked up, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4: The troubles been really briefely honest. Here is I can't
Speaker 4: charge you ten thousand dollars a month for that advice.
Speaker 4: You might. It's a business and you have to follow
Speaker 4: the money. And often we see businesses that thrive in
Speaker 4: drama and crisis. Pr only exists if there's a crisis.
Speaker 4: They don't create the crisis. But sometimes I question the
Speaker 4: advice they're giving. My advice always to my clients, and
Speaker 4: the agencies I worked with probably were annoyed with me
Speaker 4: because I was like, own it, right. You wouldn't put
Speaker 4: me on retain if I said, if I've got to
Speaker 4: be on retainer for a year, I'm not doing a
Speaker 4: really good job. Own it. You messed up, you did
Speaker 4: something bad. But it's the same in my life and
Speaker 4: your life. We all do bad things. Like I try
Speaker 4: not to judge myself on my worst day, but we've
Speaker 4: all had horrible days. I own it, and I say sorry.
Speaker 4: Sorry is so important. I know in this political climate
Speaker 4: were taught not to say sorry. I don't buy that
Speaker 4: in the long run, if you do something and you didn't,
Speaker 4: you didn't mean it, and you know it was bad
Speaker 4: and we all know the truth, say sorry, own it.
Speaker 4: I own my mistakes, and I wish more celebrities. I
Speaker 4: wish more friends, I wish more colleagues. I wish they
Speaker 4: owned it. They don't. It's that's that Elton John song
Speaker 4: I love. Sorry is the hardest word. It's really hard
Speaker 4: for some people to say sorry. Don't be one of
Speaker 4: those people.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would ever be one of those people.
Speaker 1: I think my publicist will probably hate me because I
Speaker 1: would just, like we were just talking about, I think
Speaker 1: I would just be the person that'd be like, shit,
Speaker 1: yeah I.
Speaker 4: Did do that kind of that. I know. I know
Speaker 4: I can spin myself. I'm good at like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: they deserved it. On line said.
Speaker 1: They deserved that.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to do that as forced into this decision. No,
Speaker 4: you weren't. You made your choice, and leader, if you're listening, glolo,
Speaker 4: if you're listening, you made your choice. And we all know.
Speaker 4: The thing is, though, I think I might be wrong here.
Speaker 4: Had Alisha said sorry, had Alisha admitted that she broke
Speaker 4: the girl code, you you might still listen to her
Speaker 4: music today. There's a chance you might have forgiven her.
Speaker 4: But because she didn't, you're done and there's no going
Speaker 4: back now. And so learn that in life, we're not
Speaker 4: all Alicia Key is, but we all make mistakes. Say sorry.
Speaker 4: I'm the king of sorry. I sometimes they say sorry
Speaker 4: when I just see people walking up something terrible, like
Speaker 4: I know, like because of what I do for a living.
Speaker 4: If I'm not in a restaurant and I see a
Speaker 4: high sife, I'm like, oh, this could get me the
Speaker 4: way they could throw a drink at me, like I
Speaker 4: don't know what I've said, I don't remember what I've said,
Speaker 4: but they're coming towards me. I'm sorry, sorry, selling And
Speaker 4: then they.
Speaker 1: Just want to give you a hug and tell you
Speaker 1: they love your subset, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's funny though, with Alicia Keys. Every time something even
Speaker 1: slightly bad happens her, like her voice hits a wrong note.
Speaker 1: Diamonds like, because she stole.
Speaker 4: It made you mad?
Speaker 2: Mad, it upset me.
Speaker 4: Has somebody hurt you like that, has somebody chease done you?
Speaker 4: Someone stole you on your partner.
Speaker 2: Not on that level, you know.
Speaker 1: I just feel like.
Speaker 3: When you do something like she made me feel, my
Speaker 3: anger switched from Swiss beats to her. And I don't
Speaker 3: think that you should ever let a man or whoever
Speaker 3: that person is, who left the relationship make.
Speaker 2: You look like the man Yang because there is fifty fifty.
Speaker 2: But the fact that you literally.
Speaker 3: Preached woman empowerment before a lot of people were you weren't.
Speaker 3: She was like the face of woman wearing makeup that
Speaker 3: was a lie was.
Speaker 4: Lighted. I think you hate it on something so so important.
Speaker 4: Here it's the phoniness of it. And that's what hurt
Speaker 4: about Ellen. We all knew in the business that Ellen
Speaker 4: was not a pleasant person. Ellen's a very difficult person.
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of very difficult celebrities out there,
Speaker 4: Andy Cohen, there's a lot really do gold people, but
Speaker 4: nobody pushed kindness more than Ellen, And don't do it
Speaker 4: like be authentic, be the best version of yourself, but
Speaker 4: be yourself. If you're a bit moody, you should be
Speaker 4: a moody celebrity. If you're funny, you should be a
Speaker 4: funny celebrity. If you're critical, you should be the villain.
Speaker 4: Like you play your role, you play your role. And
Speaker 4: so that's what I think annoyed you the most about Elisha,
Speaker 4: And what annoyed me about Ellen is I just hate
Speaker 4: Phone's like that there's a place in this world goodness
Speaker 4: knows when you see on reality shows. Er Morosa made
Speaker 4: a lot of money being the villain on The Apprentice,
Speaker 4: and she was really good at it because it was true.
Speaker 4: I have no time now for celebrities that pretend to
Speaker 4: be something they're not.
Speaker 1: It's kind of tough though, because everybody says like, oh,
Speaker 1: you have to build a brand, and with a brand
Speaker 1: comes a personality type, right, and then we expect that
Speaker 1: personality type from that person all the time because that's
Speaker 1: a brand, when in reality they are human. So is
Speaker 1: there a chance you know this obviously far better than me.
Speaker 1: Is there a chance that Ellen did do a lot
Speaker 1: of kind things, but when it came to her professional
Speaker 1: show and getting stuff done, she was a tyrant about
Speaker 1: doing it or her to do the nice things.
Speaker 4: Yes, she would argue, Yes, she would say, I gave
Speaker 4: a lot of money to charity, but.
Speaker 1: I think that doesn't make you a kind person.
Speaker 4: The nice thing is what you do to people every day,
Speaker 4: like that's who you are. It's the small gestures. If
Speaker 4: I write a check to a charity doesn't make me
Speaker 4: a nice guy. It makes me a guy that gave
Speaker 4: a great check to a charity. Kindness exactly. Say that again,
Speaker 4: that was really smart.
Speaker 1: Generosity and kindness are very different saying.
Speaker 4: Read that should be the title of your book. I
Speaker 4: could sell that.
Speaker 1: Or would we give it away for free?
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, diamond about twenty percent fronts to
Speaker 4: get it. It's a small decision to make every single
Speaker 4: day that make you who you are. It's not those big,
Speaker 4: glamorous moments. And celebrities are people that they're regular people
Speaker 4: and it's the decisions they make every single day.
Speaker 1: So she was just a big old bitch.
Speaker 4: She was not a very nice person.
Speaker 1: Who do you think in the celebrity world right now
Speaker 1: needs pr more than anyone else.
Speaker 4: I think Bethany Frankle just needs to be like, just
Speaker 4: shut up. I love that Andy Cohen is now calling her, look,
Speaker 4: it's al mister rad I love that Andy Cone is
Speaker 4: now refusing to neighbor and he calls her Margarita, lady.
Speaker 4: I love it. Who is Elms? Now we're going to
Speaker 4: get some ratings, thank god? Here here and we're talking
Speaker 4: all about my favorite subject me. Oh my god, do
Speaker 4: you want to ask a question? What do you want
Speaker 4: to know? I've never been into the sauce of the
Speaker 4: side studio.
Speaker 1: Oh it looks so different.
Speaker 4: I've never been in the studio before. I love thank you.
Speaker 4: I know you don't read you on stack. I'm really
Speaker 4: good at substack subject. It's taking off Elvis. I've become
Speaker 4: our saying to earlier on the show that I was
Speaker 4: never the number one, it was always Pereer, so it
Speaker 4: was somebody else subsac I'm number one, I'm the king.
Speaker 4: Can you deserve it? I'm thank you for the queen
Speaker 4: of subject, but I'll take it. But I love reading.
Speaker 5: I love how you have sources.
Speaker 1: Hey, let's talk about sources inside.
Speaker 4: The Golden Gloves. I had people in the room, but
Speaker 4: I've been a couple of times, and so it's a
Speaker 4: very interesting awards show. And the reason it is so
Speaker 4: good is that they don't really allow managers or publicy.
Speaker 4: It's a small room. So the Oscars, everybody gets a ticket. Here,
Speaker 4: you don't get a ticket, and you have to show
Speaker 4: your ticket. The year I went as with Jennifer Lopez
Speaker 4: and she couldn't find a ticket and they were not
Speaker 4: going to let her in and she found it in
Speaker 4: a purse. She wouldn't have got in there. Really, once
Speaker 4: you're in that room, they seal the doors and it
Speaker 4: is just the booze fest. There is booze everywhere, nobody
Speaker 4: eats and this you're smoking, isn't that? He was told
Speaker 4: three times? This up smoking, Sean Penn, Sean Pin. You
Speaker 4: could see the cup on the table. It was filled
Speaker 4: with like ye old stove. So it wasn't like one cigarette.
Speaker 4: It was like he had about six or seven cigarettes.
Speaker 4: Now what bugged me about this? They have a smoking
Speaker 4: area at the hotel, not normally, but they set it
Speaker 4: up for the Golden Glibes. So if he'd walked away
Speaker 4: from his table, you walk past the bar and then
Speaker 4: they have a patio, and outside patio everyone's out there smoking.
Speaker 4: He couldn't be bothered to work walk a hundred feet.
Speaker 4: I don't like it. Okay, bye, good stay starting R ratings.
Speaker 1: You're not You're going to be a guest one day.
Speaker 4: Don't kiss me. You've got a cold, Alvis what you
Speaker 4: want in on?
Speaker 1: I asked him who needs pre the most right now?
Speaker 4: And he said, Bethany Frankl Bethany Frankle. Yeah, you know
Speaker 4: I love Bethany. Can you fix that? We know we're
Speaker 4: okay with each other. Hello, luck, he's got card again.
Speaker 4: Nate walked in. Nate wasn't so hot for a minute,
Speaker 4: and then he bounced back. What do you mean there
Speaker 4: was a second when you let yourself go a little bit,
Speaker 4: like physically, I got a little.
Speaker 1: Fluffy, taking a lot of turn so fat mate.
Speaker 4: Well he wasn't fat, mate, but he was like, softly, softly,
Speaker 4: you look great. He had a touch of the Leonardo
Speaker 4: DiCaprio's like a little little chobby.
Speaker 1: A little fluffy, little fluff.
Speaker 4: But now he's back.
Speaker 1: Please get the hell out of here, godul. I ask
Speaker 1: everyone to take their STLF before the podcast star terrible
Speaker 1: crazy stuff.
Speaker 4: But I would guess they're the crossover from the big
Speaker 4: show to this is really good, so they will know
Speaker 4: these characters pop.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, they know who these people are. So Bethany Frankel.
Speaker 4: Once again, Bethany hasn't figured out after Housewives who she is.
Speaker 4: That's that's it's that's simply I don't want to keep
Speaker 4: beating the same point. But who are you Bethany? In
Speaker 4: four words? And I think one of the words is
Speaker 4: still a housewife or a reality star. Her greatest success
Speaker 4: was on that show, and since then she's had a
Speaker 4: lot of lot of failures. She's done a talk show,
Speaker 4: she's done Skating with the Stars, She's done all these
Speaker 4: other projects and none of them really works that well.
Speaker 2: She had her own version of The.
Speaker 4: Apprentice, that's right, and that fligs and so like Bethley,
Speaker 4: you know, your skill is being a reality star. She's
Speaker 4: a great reality star player. Nobody plays that game better
Speaker 4: than her. But it's like when Madonna doesn't want to
Speaker 4: sing anymore and wants to act. No, do do what
Speaker 4: you're good at, don't. I don't want to say I
Speaker 4: want to see her. No, no Madonna, no dancing, sing
Speaker 4: true blue, sing like a virgin. And Bey should up
Speaker 4: talking about this one margarita that you made like it
Speaker 4: doesn't make you, Jeff Bezos. You made a margarita, and
Speaker 4: to be honest, girl, they ain't. They're nice because it
Speaker 4: has no sugar in it. If you have a margarita,
Speaker 4: you want the Have you ever had a skinny girl margarita?
Speaker 3: I have? Oh?
Speaker 4: I like it though, Oh you like her? That's why
Speaker 4: you like it? Oh the chemicals in it. Whole Food's
Speaker 4: dropped it because it didn't meet their standards, the chemical,
Speaker 4: the chemicals, but it's still well, that's why your skinny
Speaker 4: it flushes through you libel allegedly allegedly a legends. I
Speaker 4: think Bethanie needs some help, and I think it because
Speaker 4: she hasn't figured out who she is and firing off
Speaker 4: twelve tiktoks a day, It's just overwhelmed me, like I
Speaker 4: would have to block her, Like it's just like every
Speaker 4: and she's always so outraged. God forbid, she should do
Speaker 4: a TikTok oh I saw a lovely doggie on the street. No,
Speaker 4: everything is four outrage exhausting. So I think Bethanie needs
Speaker 4: a little bit of help. And I think Reality Star
Speaker 4: US in general, this is going to be a tricky
Speaker 4: year because their shows are not what they were. And
Speaker 4: I know you love Your Housewives turned a little bit,
Speaker 4: it's not it's.
Speaker 3: I find myself going back, Like as a season is airing,
Speaker 3: I'm still going back to the old season good laugh,
Speaker 3: Like everybody is trying to recreate what they watched and
Speaker 3: it's just it's not working.
Speaker 4: Like once the magic's gone, you can't put it back
Speaker 4: into that bottle. And I feel like all the new
Speaker 4: people who are signing up, A couple of people I
Speaker 4: know are auditioning right now to be on the New
Speaker 4: New York Housewives that they're recasting the New York one,
Speaker 4: and they're all trying to be the new Bethany or
Speaker 4: the new and I was like, be you. That's the
Speaker 4: only chance she got in life. And honestly, this isn't
Speaker 4: just for reality to this is for everybody listening. Once
Speaker 4: I realized that the only shot I had of success
Speaker 4: was being me, then yeah, yourself, like, stop trying to
Speaker 4: be a second rate somebody else. Be you. And so
Speaker 4: when you go on these shows, now there's a prototype,
Speaker 4: there's a there's a there's a formula to fill out. No,
Speaker 4: go on and be you. Don't try and go on
Speaker 4: and try to be Bethany because it won't work.
Speaker 2: So how do you feel about the news that Nini
Speaker 2: is coming?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 4: Can't wait. I care about and I love her history
Speaker 4: with that which is a miracle. She's coming back. And
Speaker 4: had Bethany not upset Andy even more, Nini wouldn't be back.
Speaker 4: Because once somebody goes to nuclear hates, you forget everybody
Speaker 4: else is awful. And so Nini was really on his
Speaker 4: shit list and told Bethany tried to burn that Bravo
Speaker 4: And so now all these people that he didn't like
Speaker 4: now were like Oh, they're not so bad, so.
Speaker 1: Real quickly on that what did they both do to Andy?
Speaker 1: I don't know this.
Speaker 4: Struggle being accus him. I think of drugs, of cocaine,
Speaker 4: of being a sloppy boss, Bethany, racism and racism she
Speaker 4: said yes, she said and so, and then Bethany tried
Speaker 4: to burn down Brava. She tried to get lawyers involved,
Speaker 4: and she wanted to be victuals. She said it was
Speaker 4: like an exploitive environment, and she threatened stuff on tiktop
Speaker 4: that she never followed through, but the threat was enough.
Speaker 4: And it's like, wouldn't you bite the hand that feeds you?
Speaker 4: You don't go back. I'm careful too. We see a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff in the places we work. But if
Speaker 4: you go nuculear, you do it, like if you're got
Speaker 4: to go down that road, there will be consequences. It's
Speaker 4: interesting because a really senior person at Bravo said to me,
Speaker 4: what makes Bethany such great reality TV also makes her
Speaker 4: just a terrible person, Like it's just what is fabulous?
Speaker 4: What is fabulous on television? It's just so dumb annoying
Speaker 4: at dinner, like can you imagine? Like it's lovely to
Speaker 4: watch these other people's messiness. But don't you know what
Speaker 4: it in your life?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: Don't be careful, which has why you're allowing. I've allowed
Speaker 4: a few into my life and they've all bit me
Speaker 4: because that's because they are rewarded for bad behavior. If
Speaker 4: you reward people for bad behavior, then they'll keep being bad.
Speaker 4: Who's naughty to me? I remember whence I went out
Speaker 4: with Ramona Singer and I really fancy hotel the Mark,
Speaker 4: and we're having dinner and she pulled out of her
Speaker 4: here's bag a bottle of her own wine and asked
Speaker 4: them to serve that.
Speaker 3: Yes, were and it was a screwed up so we
Speaker 3: didn't need to talk.
Speaker 4: It was awful. Try to get a dollar out of
Speaker 4: Sunny Morgan, like she'll take you for dinner, but you'll pay,
Speaker 4: but you won't like not a dollar, not a dollar.
Speaker 2: We found out she didn't have it.
Speaker 4: She doesn't have it, but she has that big townhouse.
Speaker 4: She used to do a screening party for the show
Speaker 4: every Thursday. Had a house and I used to be
Speaker 4: one of the gates. You don't have gays there. I
Speaker 4: invited a girlfriend Sonya said no, no, girl's alive. Just Sonya.
Speaker 4: She's that insecure Sonia couldn't allow another woman in the room. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and the person invited forgive me was not necessarily the
Speaker 4: most attractive person, like such, no no women Sonya in
Speaker 4: that tirnhouse. And nothing worked when the battery. Yes, you
Speaker 4: couldn't thrush the low like, don't pe Sonia, You're not
Speaker 4: going to thrush the log And I remember once I
Speaker 4: like turned a tap and it came off in my hand.
Speaker 4: And then the other big thing that I love doing
Speaker 4: that is when you go to celebrity house is ozepic
Speaker 4: has to be not frozen, that has to be refrigerated.
Speaker 4: So looking at celebrities fridge because that's they can't hide
Speaker 4: you the bed, Like if it's cocaine or heroin, they
Speaker 4: can hide that under the coffee table. The ozimpic has
Speaker 4: to be the fridge. So you look at the fridge
Speaker 4: and make an excuse, I'm just gonna get a few
Speaker 4: cups of mice. I get some mice. I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: and get a little sowd of my drinks too strong
Speaker 4: in that fridge and look all over it. I love
Speaker 4: you for that.
Speaker 1: So you have had some very famous clients like you
Speaker 1: just named j Lo.
Speaker 4: We know that I love O God.
Speaker 1: I said he was good to you.
Speaker 4: I know that's a really tough thing, is that? Gosh?
Speaker 4: He was charming and now I understand why he got
Speaker 4: away with it for twenty years. He was psychopathically charming.
Speaker 4: He was kind to me, he was funny, he was witty,
Speaker 4: he was generous, and he was a sociopath.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all those things. Were you shocked when you heard
Speaker 1: these allegations are coming out, because I have no doubt
Speaker 1: you heard before the rest of us heard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was, but I was so naive. It was
Speaker 4: twenty years ago. As a baby publicist. He was one
Speaker 4: of the first big celebrity. Yea, when of the first celebrities.
Speaker 4: You know, Cassie wasn't on the scene then, it was
Speaker 4: way back. It was, it was kim Porter, it was Jalo,
Speaker 4: he was it was even before then. It was right
Speaker 4: in the beginning. And I'm never shocked at how power
Speaker 4: and fame changes people. I've never shocked, had drugs had boos,
Speaker 4: how entitlement changes people? And did he become the king?
Speaker 4: When I worked with him, he was on his way up.
Speaker 4: He hasn't, He hadn't yet become the superstar, the billionaire
Speaker 4: he was not. Yeah, it's like he was three names
Speaker 4: in like it definitely. I don't quite remember what name
Speaker 4: I left on, but it was definitely a couple of
Speaker 4: names in. But it wasn't what it was now. And
Speaker 4: so I think you see people change. I saw it
Speaker 4: in just the few years I was with him. He
Speaker 4: he changed, and then he got entitled, and then he
Speaker 4: got psychotic. And now he's in jail. I'm glad he's there.
Speaker 1: Is there anything going on with that right now?
Speaker 4: He's going to have a big comeback tour, Like I know,
Speaker 4: it's amazing that this might make him. When I was
Speaker 4: with Diddy, he's Achilles heel. And what he didn't like
Speaker 4: is that he really wasn't street. He was a guy
Speaker 4: from a kind of a middle class upbringing. He was
Speaker 4: well educated, and so he was always intimidated by the
Speaker 4: rappers out there who were more authentic. And to be honest,
Speaker 4: the rap community thought did he was a bit of
Speaker 4: a pussy. They thought he was all just make believe,
Speaker 4: he was all hype. Now he gone to jail, he
Speaker 4: now can say he the real I think did he
Speaker 4: will be planning a comeback, I'm told already there's talk
Speaker 4: about a show at the Garden. He will come out.
Speaker 4: He has got hours and hours of video when he
Speaker 4: worked with did He. There is just footage his camera
Speaker 4: crews with you, clearly, clearly, clear, with you constantly. So
Speaker 4: I think there's a place for him now. And it's
Speaker 4: a shame of American culture, but he'll end up on
Speaker 4: Rava with the bad behavior is rewarded in America. It
Speaker 4: really is, like it really is when you think of
Speaker 4: some of the people at.
Speaker 1: There, like our president really did people get.
Speaker 4: Away with stuff? And so I think there's a future
Speaker 4: for did Hey. I know, and there's people out there
Speaker 4: that I went down to the courthouse during the trial.
Speaker 4: I've never I hadn't seen this passion for him in
Speaker 4: twenty years.
Speaker 1: And find that bizarre.
Speaker 4: But I think it wasn't about him. It was about
Speaker 4: a person of color beating the system or being tied
Speaker 4: up in a system. And I understand that narrative, and
Speaker 4: it's there's a lot of truth to that narrative. He
Speaker 4: was the wrong messenger, but but there is like hear
Speaker 4: I was like all a lot of him, but I
Speaker 4: was like, the story is a great story, really dead
Speaker 4: that we don't need him, but we don't need him.
Speaker 1: And he's good, but the characters that are not so.
Speaker 4: Great, right, So I think Denny's gonna have come back.
Speaker 4: Jessica Simpson's trying to come back, but I think that
Speaker 4: that ship has sailed, you know, is it okay? It's
Speaker 4: just that level of thing, you know, God bless Jennifer
Speaker 4: j Lo. She'll never stop. I just I saw her
Speaker 4: at the Golden Globes in that dress, and I just
Speaker 4: I love her. I just she is our fall on
Speaker 4: drag queen. And she would say to herself, it is
Speaker 4: ruble is She's just the year that I went with
Speaker 4: her to the Golden Globe she looked as ridiculous in
Speaker 4: the fabulous way. She's like Jessica Rabbit. She looked like
Speaker 4: just so. And she got out the car and I
Speaker 4: did chuckle. I was like, oh gosh, and we brought
Speaker 4: down the carpet and everybody went nuts except the other
Speaker 4: celebrities who didn't really like her. Oh and they were
Speaker 4: all a bit mean to her. And Jennifer's spoken about this.
Speaker 4: She's like, they don't really like me. They look down
Speaker 4: their nose in the same way that the movie stars
Speaker 4: look down their nose at TV stars, and TV stars
Speaker 4: look down their nose at reality stars, they sort of
Speaker 4: look down their nose a little bit at jay Loo.
Speaker 4: And what I learned from Jennifer, and it's such a
Speaker 4: good lesson, is screw them. I'm Jayla. She doesn't care.
Speaker 1: Why do they look down on her?
Speaker 4: I think I think that she's so theatrical, She's so confident.
Speaker 4: She makes them feel very vulnerable in her sexuality, like
Speaker 4: the boobs and the hips, and you know before before
Speaker 4: Kim people, Kim Kardashian people were not doing this. Julia
Speaker 4: Robins did not do that. Meryl Street Plane doing that,
Speaker 4: like Jennifer turns up as a full on theatrical production,
Speaker 4: and I think that bugs them. I also think too
Speaker 4: there's questions about her talent versus her success, and her
Speaker 4: success is so large, and I think these actors that
Speaker 4: went to Julia hard and went to training in classical
Speaker 4: environments and probably there's a bit of jealousy there. There's
Speaker 4: a bit of jealousy.
Speaker 1: I can see that. I mean, I think that she
Speaker 1: is very much a testament to hard work WORRD. She
Speaker 1: looks amazing every day.
Speaker 4: Christmas Day, like she's beautiful to begin with, assuming, but
Speaker 4: she I went to the gym with her once. What
Speaker 4: a mistake. After twenty minutes on that rowing machine, I
Speaker 4: was ready for Margaritea.
Speaker 1: Despite the fact that she puts in the work talent wise,
Speaker 1: I could see why some people.
Speaker 4: Be modest talent like her talent is being Jennifer Like.
Speaker 4: What she's done is she's created a character of Jlo
Speaker 4: that is far more interesting than any character she'll ever
Speaker 4: play on a film, and so that bugs them, and
Speaker 4: that's why.
Speaker 1: It was a banger.
Speaker 4: I loved it, and that's why it's difficult to like
Speaker 4: to really go and see a JLO movie and believe
Speaker 4: you're watching anybody but Jaylo. Like the movies that work
Speaker 4: best for Jennifer made in Manhattans when you see when
Speaker 4: you see Jennifer in the character like because then then
Speaker 4: then it makes sense. But it's like it's like Madonna,
Speaker 4: and Madonna's way more interesting than any character she's ever
Speaker 4: going to play, and so it's hard to look past them.
Speaker 4: So I get it. I get why Jennifer annoys them,
Speaker 4: and I love that she's in another joke. Like Jennifer said,
Speaker 4: a lot of those Hollywood people take themselves so seriously.
Speaker 1: We've had her in here a few times. She takes
Speaker 1: her soul seriously. At least when she was in here,
Speaker 1: she took herself very seriously.
Speaker 4: I like work seriously. But yeah, they've all come through here,
Speaker 4: they've all come.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they really have. I haven't been here for a
Speaker 1: lot of it, but I love picking your brain about
Speaker 1: your favorites. So, Jennifer Lope has one of your great.
Speaker 4: Spade changed my life. I was Kate Spade's publicist. Makes
Speaker 4: you rest in peace and just quality and smart and decent,
Speaker 4: and she'ld say thank you notes. And she taught me
Speaker 4: how you can get your own way by being nice
Speaker 4: and being kind and being decent is part of life.
Speaker 4: And so I learned a lot from from her. I
Speaker 4: really enjoyed Tyra Banks The World End of Tire. Oh
Speaker 4: there's a lot of choss. Oh she's a whacker dottle.
Speaker 4: I love her. I loved her. I really liked Jessica Simpson.
Speaker 4: Like Jessica made me giggle. Jessica was so generous. If
Speaker 4: you went for dinner with Jessica, she was not a
Speaker 4: real housewive. She paid for the whole restaurant, but she
Speaker 4: was so generous and then after work if we were
Speaker 4: out at NAWD show and she'd give me her driver
Speaker 4: to take me home afterwards, like she was that girl.
Speaker 4: She was like she was really grateful about the money
Speaker 4: and the success. And when she got divorced from Nick
Speaker 4: and she had to write a massive check, she was
Speaker 4: like cool, She's like, I'll make it back. But she
Speaker 4: was not that money or yeah, she certainly did. She
Speaker 4: was really really cool. I loved working with John bon Jovi.
Speaker 4: I love the big hair, and I liked all that,
Speaker 4: like all the hands and ladies. I loved John Clear.
Speaker 4: I had a concert once don't know where. We got
Speaker 4: off a plane and you land in a city and
Speaker 4: you don't really know where you are, and you went
Speaker 4: to the venue and I saw out the corner of
Speaker 4: my eye just two minutes before the show started, and
Speaker 4: I'm in the pit with the photographers because I my
Speaker 4: whole job. I was paid a fortune to work for
Speaker 4: about six minutes. Because the moment John's hair flopped, I
Speaker 4: had to get the photographers out of the pit. So
Speaker 4: wander dead, Aura like get about and it was glare
Speaker 4: at me about his body's got all the body's got
Speaker 4: lightly hair. It gets a little humid, he had to
Speaker 4: kick the photographers up, and so that I used to
Speaker 4: stand in the pit and I could see out the
Speaker 4: corner of my eye this woman with enormous boobs walking
Speaker 4: towards me, and she had a slippery when wet t
Speaker 4: shirt on, and she would have had sex with me
Speaker 4: to get to John like it was the first time
Speaker 4: as a gay guy that I've ever experienced that sort
Speaker 4: of that that devotion, that that star passion yessosis that
Speaker 4: I did know what a group he was like, you
Speaker 4: don't meet a group you with Tyra Banks put with
Speaker 4: Sharp on show. They were really sexually charged.
Speaker 1: And he seemed like he enjoyed that part of if you, oh, yeah.
Speaker 4: This is so nought. I shouldn't tell the story, but
Speaker 4: I will. On the stage, they had little pits on
Speaker 4: the stage, and you couldn't buy a ticket for the pit.
Speaker 4: You had to be given a wristband by normally a
Speaker 4: security guard and they called it forgive me you might
Speaker 4: have to bleep me here. They call it the pussy pit.
Speaker 4: And so they would find very attractive girls to put
Speaker 4: in the pit, so that as the show went on,
Speaker 4: if John got a little bored or Richie. They could
Speaker 4: look down and see these beautiful women. Half of them
Speaker 4: were like very scantily dressed and security with given that
Speaker 4: John had upset me on the plane, and so I
Speaker 4: got two pussy Pit bands and I found the most
Speaker 4: unlikely candidates physically to be a bit. I had to
Speaker 4: around the find two girls in the corner with their
Speaker 4: glasses and I said, ladies, have I got a surprise
Speaker 4: for you. I've got two tickets to the pussy Pit
Speaker 4: and I put them in there and Jod was singing
Speaker 4: a ballad and he almost gasped, Wow, if you two
Speaker 4: ladies are listening, you're gorgeous. Like you're gorgeous.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're listening, as Alicia.
Speaker 4: Like, it's so weird now now that I don't work
Speaker 4: with these people, they know me. I was in their
Speaker 4: lives like we're text with email. I've bumped into a
Speaker 4: few of them at parties, and it's so interesting because
Speaker 4: some of them pretend they don't know me. I know.
Speaker 4: It's almost like, well the staff, it's free down to abbey.
Speaker 4: I've seen too.
Speaker 1: Much behind the curtain. Also is a little embarrassing for them.
Speaker 4: I'm careful what to saying, not because I'm trying to
Speaker 4: be evasive, but I think you can tell stories with
Speaker 4: a bit of love. Like it's a love letter to celebrity,
Speaker 4: my life, my calor, my substack. It's a love letter
Speaker 4: to celebrities. And I think it's in the title I'm
Speaker 4: naughty but nice. I'm a nice guy and I like
Speaker 4: a pinch. But I don't like a punch. You can't punch,
Speaker 4: but you can pinch. You're a picture. You're a good picture.
Speaker 4: You're a good picture. I like a pinch like my
Speaker 4: friends for drigs. Honestly, if you're listening to love alone,
Speaker 4: my nicest friends are a bit dull. My awful friends
Speaker 4: are wildly entertaining in the middle. If you could be
Speaker 4: naughty but nice, then you've won.
Speaker 1: So you're winning. And I love the celebrities that you loved.
Speaker 1: And I will end here because I know everybody has
Speaker 1: to go, but celebrities who are menaces and real life
Speaker 1: that you are. Like absolutely, if I saw someone I
Speaker 1: knew dating this person, I would break that up.
Speaker 4: Oh such a good one. I mean, I think I've
Speaker 4: already given it away with Bethany. Bethany is just a bad, bad,
Speaker 4: bad human being. I worked for Lara Spencer and Good
Speaker 4: Morning America, and that was not pleasant. Lara's a tough,
Speaker 4: tough devil. That was not a fun experience.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I love the the glamour of it, but being Naomi
Speaker 4: Campbell's publicist wasn't easy either. That was allegedly that was
Speaker 4: a lot. That was a lot. That was a lot
Speaker 4: of drama that that I don't think I want to
Speaker 4: be part of, you know. And I've seen people be
Speaker 4: really rude. I've seen Ariana Grandy be really nasty. I've
Speaker 4: seen it, like it didn't happen to me, but I've
Speaker 4: been at events where I've seen her people be really
Speaker 4: nasty for no reason. It's all at the security. Martha
Speaker 4: makes me laugh there because she's just so nasty. It's
Speaker 4: just it's just so like Martha. Hello, I like Martha
Speaker 4: makes me laugh. Who else?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: He's a friend of the show, so let me tread carefully.
Speaker 4: But Jimmy Fallon's got an edge.
Speaker 1: Really, that's that's that's not surprising because I've heard it.
Speaker 4: But I want to be friends with the Andy Cohen
Speaker 4: that I watch for thirty minutes every night at eleven
Speaker 4: o'clock on That isn't the Andy Cone you meet.
Speaker 1: What about the Andy?
Speaker 4: I think it's fun and cheeky and sassy. Andy on
Speaker 4: camera is who you want to know?
Speaker 1: Is he wore that guy?
Speaker 4: You know, he's quite quite mean. There's a meanness to him.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I'm working on this new story on sub Stack that
Speaker 4: Sarah Jessica wasn't so kind to people on Sex and
Speaker 4: the City, and Kim Catrell has told that story, and
Speaker 4: now Chris Nof looks like he's going to tell it too,
Speaker 4: that Sarah wasn't the kindest. And so you know, you
Speaker 4: can look around your office wherever you work today. You
Speaker 4: know the good ones, you know the bad ones, and
Speaker 4: you know people have good and bad days. You do
Speaker 4: know the stinkers. You do know the stinkers. And at
Speaker 4: the top of it for me are the ones. It's
Speaker 4: probably reality stars who are just nasty without any credentials.
Speaker 1: How it goes though it is it is insecurity, as
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: And I don't think give you because you're really talented.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say because you're Barbara Streyis and
Speaker 4: you can be really awful because you're the best singer
Speaker 4: in the world who are allowed to be awful. I
Speaker 4: don't want to go down that road. But I often
Speaker 4: find the ones with the least are the ones that
Speaker 4: are the nastiest.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Same, I feel the same word.
Speaker 4: Which is why we are lovely, because we've got.
Speaker 1: So much, so much everything at our fingertips. All right,
Speaker 1: you were a book coming out.
Speaker 4: I do thank you for this pre ordering. Now, so
Speaker 4: have a book coming out. It started with a whisper.
Speaker 4: This is my very first novel. It's based on I
Speaker 4: had my own TV show, a morning show on VH one,
Speaker 4: and it's four gossip columnists, four entertainment experts, insiders who've
Speaker 4: got a morning show, and this book is based on that.
Speaker 4: So four of us in the entertainment world we get
Speaker 4: a morning show on a really dodgy cable network that's
Speaker 4: struggling VICH one, and and we we pay, we pay
Speaker 4: our bills telling stories about celebrities. Very quickly there in
Speaker 4: the book, it becomes very clear that the real secrets,
Speaker 4: the real stories, are about us. I'm gonna get this
Speaker 4: book available from Amazon, comes out in the spring. If
Speaker 4: you get it today, it helps me just with like
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Speaker 4: Amazon dot com.
Speaker 1: Okay, amazing. And last thing, do you have a blind
Speaker 1: item for us?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: A good blind item too, I have. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I should ask me before so I could come with
Speaker 4: one I have. Oh which chef did I see recently?
Speaker 4: And whole foods bending over in the vegetable section and
Speaker 4: not wearing any underwear. It's a male. Oh no, I
Speaker 4: could see. I could see right down in his jeans, a.
Speaker 1: Chef right down his jees. Does it rhyme with Robbie.
Speaker 4: You've got a very good imagination. Bobby wear some underwear Bobby.
Speaker 1: People want to find you online on substack.
Speaker 4: Go to substack. That's all I care about. All the
Speaker 4: other stuff is nonsense.
Speaker 1: I don't care about.
Speaker 4: It's very nice, but that substack is like my priority.
Speaker 4: I'm loving it. So if you want it, and you
Speaker 4: don't have to be a member of substack, it's not
Speaker 4: like this private little community. Go to substack dot com.
Speaker 4: Type in rob shoes so it's that easy. My name
Speaker 4: will pop up. It's a big old picture of me.
Speaker 4: You can't miss it. Type in your email address and
Speaker 4: then that's it. You'll get. You'll get a newsletter three
Speaker 4: four times a day with all the breaking news. It
Speaker 4: takes less than two minutes to read. It's not on
Speaker 4: these big, long, rambling New York Times emails. It's really sure.
Speaker 4: You can read it literally while you're in the elevator,
Speaker 4: and then you get all your news.
Speaker 1: Perfect. Thank you for coming back, and I have to
Speaker 1: have you come back again.
Speaker 4: I'll come back when the book sad.
Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, Diamond, did you get the info
Speaker 1: that you wanted?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: And yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, what did you not get enough info on?
Speaker 3: Was he actually working with Alicia Keys when she when
Speaker 3: she ruined that, but he didn't. He didn't answer that,
Speaker 3: which is kind of smart for him, right because I'll
Speaker 3: never tell you. I want to hear more about Bethany Frankel.
Speaker 3: You know she started a new app for what a
Speaker 3: dating app?
Speaker 1: But is she dating?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's back out there. I don't know her billionaire
Speaker 3: producer boyfriend. They broke up. Remember that was a big deal.
Speaker 3: That was probably like two years ago. Now she's been
Speaker 3: reeling from it. I don't care what anyone says.
Speaker 1: Okay whatever. Breaking up with a billionaire myself, I.
Speaker 2: Know, and he seemed like cool for her.
Speaker 3: You know. But she started this new dating app and
Speaker 3: she claims that she has like a small society of
Speaker 3: people that she's tested it on and they all love it.
Speaker 3: But people are saying that it's horrible. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: what's different about it that it's like a closed society.
Speaker 3: And also, I guess they do some type of vetting
Speaker 3: process to make sure you're serious, like elite dating. Yes,
Speaker 3: I don't know all that, all the details. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: she tried to make it seem like the vetting is
Speaker 3: so intense that like you will find someone because everyone
Speaker 3: is serious about finding somebody. I don't think that that's
Speaker 3: the way that you sell something because there's always going
Speaker 3: to be someone who slips between the cracks.
Speaker 1: And also terrifies me. Yeah, I like, I like, you
Speaker 1: know me, I like to play it my ear easy breezy,
Speaker 1: fly by the seat of my pants. Someone comes out
Speaker 1: and be like, I'm here for it, let's go. I
Speaker 1: would have a heart.
Speaker 3: Attack, but yeah, there are way more women who want that, apparently.
Speaker 3: I know that scares me too, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: So I have a friend who is like, he's going
Speaker 1: through a divorce right now, and he's fucking miserable and
Speaker 1: also weird. I don't know what's happening with him, but
Speaker 1: he's being goofy about a lot of stuff, and he
Speaker 1: is just so hell bent on how a relationship is
Speaker 1: supposed to be and that is it. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I gotta say, maybe you being so rigid about things
Speaker 1: is kind of what the problem is, Like, just be easy, dog,
Speaker 1: ease up.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, we've seen never mind, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I was gonna use Scottie as an example. It's working
Speaker 3: out for him. He's very he's very serious about specific
Speaker 3: things in a relationship, and he continues to find it.
Speaker 1: So I have so many questions because I don't think
Speaker 1: he hides it. No, So people are just accepting of.
Speaker 2: That absolutely, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And you don't even know if you're listening, you don't
Speaker 1: even know. It's so dark and deep. And I'll say,
Speaker 1: till the day I died, the fact that anyone thought
Speaker 1: we were having an affair, which he really plays into haha, No,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: That that's hilarious.
Speaker 1: It's not. It's rude.
Speaker 3: It's still funny to me. I'm sorry it was me,
Speaker 3: but the fact that it's not me makes it funny.
Speaker 1: When I first got the call, I was laughing because
Speaker 1: I was like, this is hilarious, Like, what on the planet?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 1: What this is?
Speaker 3: For real?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: I'm offended? Now I'm offended. Cool, that's fine. Meanwhile, my
Speaker 1: boyfriend's like, has anything ever gone on?
Speaker 2: Are you kidding?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: It would have gotten blocked. He would have gotten blocked
Speaker 3: for that. Of all people, Scottie, That's what.
Speaker 1: I said, and I have no doubt that he was
Speaker 1: somewhere saying the exact same thing. Of all people, this bitch,
Speaker 1: no one is meaner to me than her?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: But alas, apparently that made for chemistry so great. On
Speaker 1: that note, we'll have to have Rob back him for sure, please,
Speaker 1: so that you can ask him a gazillion more questions.
Speaker 1: He dropped something off the air that I don't even
Speaker 1: think we can repeat. Can we repeat the reason somebody
Speaker 1: doesn't go to an award show because of somebody else?
Speaker 3: Probably not, But I think that soon we'll be able
Speaker 3: to get back into it, because there are little things
Speaker 3: like kind of sparking.
Speaker 1: Easter eggs, yeah, hints, clues whatever. Okay, yeah, I'll just
Speaker 1: say this, Oh this will be our blind item. Okay,
Speaker 1: A very famous celebrity mom with a company apparently refuses
Speaker 1: to go to award shows because someone else is at
Speaker 1: these award shows who she hates, who might have a
Speaker 1: sibling in a similar field.
Speaker 2: Ooh, that's good. That's good.
Speaker 1: Not as good as Robbi shme I definieve. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to talk to him about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to create that is that's intense, all right.
Speaker 1: On that note, if people want to find you, Diamond,
Speaker 1: where they gonna.
Speaker 2: Find you at Diamond. Sincere on Instagram.
Speaker 1: And I am at Baby Hot Sauce Like follow, subscribe,
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Speaker 1: Leave us a talk back and we're gonna get to them,
Speaker 1: I promise. But until next time, stay bye Diamond Bye,