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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 1: It's Gandhi here with Diamond. And I say this all

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Speaker 1: the time because I'm always excited for the guests that

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Speaker 1: Shooter coming in today. Rob Shooter you may have heard

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Speaker 1: on The Big Show, The Naughty Gossip. He used to

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Speaker 1: all the people, and I know Diamond probably has a

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Speaker 1: million things that she wants to ask him. But he's

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Speaker 1: just a good time. He even just him telling a

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Speaker 1: So I'm very excited to have him in here today.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: What are you chompa at the bit about here?

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Speaker 3: Well? I follow him on substack number one. I don't

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Speaker 3: understand the Megan Mark will hate. But I can't tell

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Speaker 3: or if he's trying to shit on her. Okay, you

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Speaker 3: know so, But also I don't understand why people don't

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Speaker 3: you know, he does who he likes, who.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't like, he's pretty open about that stuff too. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he tries lightly every now and then, but if you

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Speaker 1: so and so fucking sucks. I love it because I

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Speaker 1: want to hear those things, like when you hear it

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Speaker 1: talk about jay Lo a lot. You can't necessarily go

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Speaker 1: so if she was a bitch to them, I believe

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Speaker 1: that that doesn't make her a bitch overall. But Rob

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Speaker 1: to be a part of it for this. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about that for the second. So some of our

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Speaker 3: I think that people don't realize that there's a lot

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Speaker 3: we chat whatever. Honestly, I don't remember half of the

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Speaker 3: Things just come out of my mouth, right, And so like,

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Speaker 1: We should get to this with Rob too. I think people,

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Speaker 1: I know Diamond has some questions because she subscribes to

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Speaker 4: Yes, so sub sex this amazing platform that I didn't

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Speaker 4: whatever he touched would turn to gold, because that's what

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Speaker 4: happened his whole life. Without the infrastructure of the palace,

434
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Speaker 4: that's very, very difficult. So I have her love hate

435
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Speaker 4: with Meghan. I've met her several times. She's charming, she's funny,

436
00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,600
Speaker 4: she's witty, she's pushy, But so are a lot of

437
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Speaker 4: men like you know, so I don't want to fall

438
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Speaker 4: into that trap of just beating up Meghan. But even

439
00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,720
Speaker 4: me and the Ally, I'm like, oh, girl, did you

440
00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 4: have like did you have of all the decisions? Like

441
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Speaker 4: the jam magnet? It was runny badly many you couldn't

442
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Speaker 4: order it. And then I bought my mom for Christmas

443
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Speaker 4: and Megan Candle it turned up and it didn't have

444
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Speaker 4: a wick in it.

445
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Speaker 5: Oh my god, I don't love Megan together. And when

446
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,119
Speaker 5: you mess with people's money. It's fine if I'm just

447
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,240
Speaker 5: giggling at you as a real housewife, but when I'm

448
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Speaker 5: buying your products, And the Kardashians know this better than anybody.

449
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,200
Speaker 4: Their products are good. Karlie Jenner is a billionaire because

450
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Speaker 4: they're good. Jessica Simpson's billionaire because there's slutty shoes she

451
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Speaker 4: sells are fabulous, like the p So I just want Megan, like,

452
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Speaker 4: make it about the work. Do the work? Does that

453
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Speaker 4: answer sort of?

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, But then I want to know why

455
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Speaker 3: what's going on with the publicists?

456
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Speaker 2: Like why have they? I read the other day that

457
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Speaker 2: they it's.

458
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Speaker 4: Like the twelfth the twelfth run. Yeah, And then but.

459
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Speaker 3: Then they're also like they try to tell the publicists

460
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Speaker 3: what to do. So that's why the public what is happening.

461
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,160
Speaker 4: It's very difficult to run a big business like markle Ink,

462
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 4: like Sussex Inc. Without learning that craft and not Harry.

463
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Speaker 4: But Meghan went from zero to one hundred on the

464
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Speaker 4: day she got married, and suddenly she was operating in

465
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Speaker 4: a capacity where she was in above her head, and

466
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Speaker 4: rather than listen and learn and figure out how to

467
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Speaker 4: do that, she turned away that advice and a lot

468
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Speaker 4: of people quit. But we were talking about this earlier

469
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Speaker 4: in the show. It's got to be a progression. I'm

470
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Speaker 4: good at what I do now because I was a

471
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Speaker 4: receptionist twenty years ago. Meghan I feel bad for because

472
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Speaker 4: she went from here to there. She went from just

473
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Speaker 4: being on a hit show. I raised my hat, tipped

474
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Speaker 4: my hat to her, but she went to having a

475
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Speaker 4: billion people watch her wedding. She went from that to

476
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Speaker 4: being on the cover of magazines. She wasn't prepared. A

477
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Speaker 4: good example of this is I used to work for

478
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Speaker 4: Ashley Simpson. Ashley's first ever live performance on television should

479
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Speaker 4: have been New York One. Should have been a local fair.

480
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 4: It should have been like just Taylor Swift learned her craft.

481
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Speaker 4: She was in Nashville, nobody was there. She played bar,

482
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Speaker 4: she played nightclubs. She learned how to be Taylor's I

483
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 4: used to work for Alicia Keys. Alicia Keys played every

484
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Speaker 4: crappy piano bar in the world. She played, but she learned,

485
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Speaker 4: she learned, She learned her craft. Megan Ashley Simpson didn't.

486
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Speaker 4: Her first TV appearance was SNL and we know you

487
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Speaker 4: were working and we know what happened. She should never

488
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Speaker 4: have done that show, and I was the one I said, no,

489
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Speaker 4: she should not. She shouldn't have done that show with Megan.

490
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Speaker 4: You can't say she shouldn't do it because she's such

491
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Speaker 4: a star now she's going to be just thrust into it.

492
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Speaker 4: But she's so ill prepared and she hasn't picked the

493
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Speaker 4: right people or she's not listening to the right people.

494
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Speaker 4: It's a skill everybody. If you hire, if you hire

495
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Speaker 4: an expert and then you design your own house, when

496
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Speaker 4: it falls down, you can't blame the architect, like you

497
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Speaker 4: know some people. I know what I don't know, and

498
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Speaker 4: I think that's a skill. Learn it. I don't know

499
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Speaker 4: how you learn it though, When when you're when you're

500
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Speaker 4: when you've got the spotlight on you.

501
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Speaker 1: So, if given the opportunity, would you be her publicist?

502
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Speaker 4: No, because I forget No, I'll get fired and lets

503
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 4: me no, I'm being kind here, and let's be honest.

504
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 4: There's clearly something that's difficult about them to work for.

505
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Speaker 4: We have friends, you know people, If you're on your

506
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Speaker 4: fifth assistant, if you're on your fifth publicist, if you're

507
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 4: on your fifth of our team, you're probably a mess.

508
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Speaker 4: And so like you are difficult, and so I get it.

509
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Speaker 4: They are difficult. They don't really know what they want.

510
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Speaker 4: And the reason they don't know what they want is

511
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 4: because they don't know who they are. My first book,

512
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Speaker 4: The Forward Answer, it really told people, if you want

513
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Speaker 4: to be successful, know who you are in forwards or less.

514
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Speaker 4: Who are you? I'm funny, I'm naughty, I'm nice, I'm gay.

515
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Speaker 4: Like pick your words. And if I said to Megan,

516
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Speaker 4: who are you? In four words? Shore and have a clue,

517
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Speaker 4: look in the mirror tonight, like everybody listening, look in

518
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Speaker 4: the mirror when you clean your teeth, and say who

519
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Speaker 4: am I in four words? And then write them down

520
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Speaker 4: on a poster and stick them on your mirror. And

521
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Speaker 4: then every opportunity that comes through your life, if he

522
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Speaker 4: doesn't match three of the four words.

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Speaker 1: Pass WHOA. That is really good advice. I have another question, please,

524
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Speaker 1: I want you to ask all the questions.

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Speaker 3: I really were you working for Alicia Keys when she

526
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Speaker 3: decided to ruin that man's marriage?

527
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Speaker 4: Oh?

528
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Speaker 3: Because this is something and the reason why. Okay, I

529
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Speaker 3: know a lot of homeworkers. I know a lot of

530
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Speaker 3: people who have ended up falling in love with people

531
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Speaker 3: who were in complicated relationships, let's put it like that,

532
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Speaker 3: or relationships that were ending. None of them have so

533
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Speaker 3: publicly try to portray themself as a woman empowerment leader.

534
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Speaker 3: Remember she was like helping women in Africa while stealing

535
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Speaker 3: somebody's husband. And then when it came that this was happening,

536
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Speaker 3: she was quiet. And then Swiss Beat's ex wife, who

537
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Speaker 3: now they're all besties.

538
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Speaker 2: I love that for them.

539
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Speaker 3: But when Mashanda decided that she couldn't take it anymore

540
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Speaker 3: and she decided to go on at on Twitter, Alicia

541
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Speaker 3: was quiet, and I'm like, you're a woman who wants

542
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Speaker 3: to empower women. What's going on now? So for that,

543
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Speaker 3: she's never been forgiven. I feel like her voice has

544
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Speaker 3: even taken a hit because of it.

545
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Speaker 1: She is.

546
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Speaker 2: She grinds my gears.

547
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Speaker 4: I can hear it, I can hear it. But for it,

548
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 4: I think it's because it touches you, because it's something

549
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 4: that could potentially happen in your own life. That the

550
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Speaker 4: best stories, the biggest stories I break are divorces or weddings,

551
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Speaker 4: are births of funerals, which is the same in your

552
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Speaker 4: regular life. If a friend has a baby, you want

553
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Speaker 4: to see the pictures. If a friend gets married, you're

554
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 4: really excited. I always get a spike in traffic when

555
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 4: these really human stories come about, and that there's something

556
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Speaker 4: about betraying that touches all of us because we've all

557
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 4: been betrayed, and we've always we've all got a friend

558
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Speaker 4: that has been betrayed. I broke the Hugh j Ackman

559
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 4: story dating Sutton Foster, and it was a really tough

560
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Speaker 4: story to me because I know dead but the wife

561
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Speaker 4: a little bit and they've been together thirty years. And

562
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Speaker 4: I get it. We're allowed to fall in and out

563
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Speaker 4: of love with people, but don't be messy.

564
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Speaker 3: Now.

565
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Speaker 4: You don't have to be cruel, like you can't divorce happens.

566
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Speaker 4: I'm not Pollyanna, I'm not naive. I get it couples

567
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Speaker 4: fall apart, but I hate the messiness. Ariana Grande with

568
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Speaker 4: Ethan Slater. That time line is very fuzzy. Brad and

569
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Speaker 4: Angelina insist that they didn't get together until after Jen,

570
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 4: but that's a very fuzzy timeline. So these celebrities who

571
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Speaker 4: think that we don't have a calendar or a Google

572
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 4: search are so crazy. We see what you're up to.

573
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Speaker 4: You're allowed to fall in love. You're allowed to fall

574
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Speaker 4: out of love, but don't be sloppy or cruel about it.

575
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Speaker 4: And there was a cruelness I think to Julia Roberts,

576
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Speaker 4: her husband was married, he was a camera man on

577
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Speaker 4: Julia's movie, and she and like, how can you compete

578
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Speaker 4: with Julia Roberts. If my husband made a movie with

579
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 4: Julia Robbers, I'd lose him to and he's gay. It's

580
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 4: just it's like, it's unfairness to it. I think you're right, though,

581
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Speaker 4: I think Alisha didn't handle this well. She didn't get

582
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 4: in front of it, and ultimately too. We talk about publicists,

583
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 4: we talk about managers like they have a magic wand

584
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 4: if you do something shitty, if you do something bad,

585
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Speaker 4: you did it like, thank you, you did it.

586
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Speaker 1: Okay. So from a publicist perspective, because I say this

587
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Speaker 1: all the time, I understand people are going to suck up.

588
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: It happened, happens, we all do it. I don't understand

589
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: when pr people sweep in to try and make it

590
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Speaker 1: look like something that it wasn't. What is the problem

591
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Speaker 1: behind being like, yeah, fucked up, I'm so sorry.

592
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Speaker 4: The troubles been really briefely honest. Here is I can't

593
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 4: charge you ten thousand dollars a month for that advice.

594
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 4: You might. It's a business and you have to follow

595
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 4: the money. And often we see businesses that thrive in

596
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 4: drama and crisis. Pr only exists if there's a crisis.

597
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 4: They don't create the crisis. But sometimes I question the

598
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 4: advice they're giving. My advice always to my clients, and

599
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 4: the agencies I worked with probably were annoyed with me

600
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 4: because I was like, own it, right. You wouldn't put

601
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Speaker 4: me on retain if I said, if I've got to

602
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Speaker 4: be on retainer for a year, I'm not doing a

603
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 4: really good job. Own it. You messed up, you did

604
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Speaker 4: something bad. But it's the same in my life and

605
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 4: your life. We all do bad things. Like I try

606
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Speaker 4: not to judge myself on my worst day, but we've

607
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 4: all had horrible days. I own it, and I say sorry.

608
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 4: Sorry is so important. I know in this political climate

609
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 4: were taught not to say sorry. I don't buy that

610
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 4: in the long run, if you do something and you didn't,

611
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 4: you didn't mean it, and you know it was bad

612
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 4: and we all know the truth, say sorry, own it.

613
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Speaker 4: I own my mistakes, and I wish more celebrities. I

614
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 4: wish more friends, I wish more colleagues. I wish they

615
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 4: owned it. They don't. It's that's that Elton John song

616
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 4: I love. Sorry is the hardest word. It's really hard

617
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Speaker 4: for some people to say sorry. Don't be one of

618
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Speaker 4: those people.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I would ever be one of those people.

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Speaker 1: I think my publicist will probably hate me because I

621
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Speaker 1: would just, like we were just talking about, I think

622
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Speaker 1: I would just be the person that'd be like, shit,

623
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Speaker 1: yeah I.

624
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 4: Did do that kind of that. I know. I know

625
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 4: I can spin myself. I'm good at like, oh, well,

626
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 4: they deserved it. On line said.

627
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Speaker 1: They deserved that.

628
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Speaker 4: I didn't want to do that as forced into this decision. No,

629
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Speaker 4: you weren't. You made your choice, and leader, if you're listening, glolo,

630
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 4: if you're listening, you made your choice. And we all know.

631
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Speaker 4: The thing is, though, I think I might be wrong here.

632
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: Had Alisha said sorry, had Alisha admitted that she broke

633
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 4: the girl code, you you might still listen to her

634
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 4: music today. There's a chance you might have forgiven her.

635
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 4: But because she didn't, you're done and there's no going

636
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 4: back now. And so learn that in life, we're not

637
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 4: all Alicia Key is, but we all make mistakes. Say sorry.

638
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 4: I'm the king of sorry. I sometimes they say sorry

639
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 4: when I just see people walking up something terrible, like

640
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 4: I know, like because of what I do for a living.

641
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 4: If I'm not in a restaurant and I see a

642
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: high sife, I'm like, oh, this could get me the

643
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 4: way they could throw a drink at me, like I

644
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 4: don't know what I've said, I don't remember what I've said,

645
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 4: but they're coming towards me. I'm sorry, sorry, selling And

646
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 4: then they.

647
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: Just want to give you a hug and tell you

648
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: they love your subset, thank you very much.

649
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

650
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: It's funny though, with Alicia Keys. Every time something even

651
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: slightly bad happens her, like her voice hits a wrong note.

652
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: Diamonds like, because she stole.

653
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 4: It made you mad?

654
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: Mad, it upset me.

655
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 4: Has somebody hurt you like that, has somebody chease done you?

656
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 4: Someone stole you on your partner.

657
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: Not on that level, you know.

658
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: I just feel like.

659
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: When you do something like she made me feel, my

660
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 3: anger switched from Swiss beats to her. And I don't

661
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: think that you should ever let a man or whoever

662
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 3: that person is, who left the relationship make.

663
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: You look like the man Yang because there is fifty fifty.

664
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: But the fact that you literally.

665
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 3: Preached woman empowerment before a lot of people were you weren't.

666
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: She was like the face of woman wearing makeup that

667
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: was a lie was.

668
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 4: Lighted. I think you hate it on something so so important.

669
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 4: Here it's the phoniness of it. And that's what hurt

670
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 4: about Ellen. We all knew in the business that Ellen

671
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 4: was not a pleasant person. Ellen's a very difficult person.

672
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of very difficult celebrities out there,

673
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 4: Andy Cohen, there's a lot really do gold people, but

674
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 4: nobody pushed kindness more than Ellen, And don't do it

675
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 4: like be authentic, be the best version of yourself, but

676
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 4: be yourself. If you're a bit moody, you should be

677
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 4: a moody celebrity. If you're funny, you should be a

678
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 4: funny celebrity. If you're critical, you should be the villain.

679
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 4: Like you play your role, you play your role. And

680
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 4: so that's what I think annoyed you the most about Elisha,

681
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: And what annoyed me about Ellen is I just hate

682
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 4: Phone's like that there's a place in this world goodness

683
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 4: knows when you see on reality shows. Er Morosa made

684
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: a lot of money being the villain on The Apprentice,

685
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 4: and she was really good at it because it was true.

686
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 4: I have no time now for celebrities that pretend to

687
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: be something they're not.

688
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: It's kind of tough though, because everybody says like, oh,

689
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: you have to build a brand, and with a brand

690
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: comes a personality type, right, and then we expect that

691
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: personality type from that person all the time because that's

692
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: a brand, when in reality they are human. So is

693
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: there a chance you know this obviously far better than me.

694
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: Is there a chance that Ellen did do a lot

695
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: of kind things, but when it came to her professional

696
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: show and getting stuff done, she was a tyrant about

697
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: doing it or her to do the nice things.

698
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 4: Yes, she would argue, Yes, she would say, I gave

699
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 4: a lot of money to charity, but.

700
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: I think that doesn't make you a kind person.

701
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 4: The nice thing is what you do to people every day,

702
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 4: like that's who you are. It's the small gestures. If

703
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 4: I write a check to a charity doesn't make me

704
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 4: a nice guy. It makes me a guy that gave

705
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 4: a great check to a charity. Kindness exactly. Say that again,

706
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 4: that was really smart.

707
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: Generosity and kindness are very different saying.

708
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 4: Read that should be the title of your book. I

709
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 4: could sell that.

710
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: Or would we give it away for free?

711
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, diamond about twenty percent fronts to

712
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 4: get it. It's a small decision to make every single

713
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: day that make you who you are. It's not those big,

714
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 4: glamorous moments. And celebrities are people that they're regular people

715
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 4: and it's the decisions they make every single day.

716
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: So she was just a big old bitch.

717
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 4: She was not a very nice person.

718
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: Who do you think in the celebrity world right now

719
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: needs pr more than anyone else.

720
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 4: I think Bethany Frankle just needs to be like, just

721
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 4: shut up. I love that Andy Cohen is now calling her, look,

722
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 4: it's al mister rad I love that Andy Cone is

723
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 4: now refusing to neighbor and he calls her Margarita, lady.

724
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 4: I love it. Who is Elms? Now we're going to

725
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 4: get some ratings, thank god? Here here and we're talking

726
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 4: all about my favorite subject me. Oh my god, do

727
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 4: you want to ask a question? What do you want

728
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 4: to know? I've never been into the sauce of the

729
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 4: side studio.

730
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: Oh it looks so different.

731
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 4: I've never been in the studio before. I love thank you.

732
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 4: I know you don't read you on stack. I'm really

733
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 4: good at substack subject. It's taking off Elvis. I've become

734
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 4: our saying to earlier on the show that I was

735
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: never the number one, it was always Pereer, so it

736
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 4: was somebody else subsac I'm number one, I'm the king.

737
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 4: Can you deserve it? I'm thank you for the queen

738
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 4: of subject, but I'll take it. But I love reading.

739
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 5: I love how you have sources.

740
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: Hey, let's talk about sources inside.

741
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 4: The Golden Gloves. I had people in the room, but

742
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 4: I've been a couple of times, and so it's a

743
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 4: very interesting awards show. And the reason it is so

744
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 4: good is that they don't really allow managers or publicy.

745
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 4: It's a small room. So the Oscars, everybody gets a ticket. Here,

746
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 4: you don't get a ticket, and you have to show

747
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 4: your ticket. The year I went as with Jennifer Lopez

748
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 4: and she couldn't find a ticket and they were not

749
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 4: going to let her in and she found it in

750
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 4: a purse. She wouldn't have got in there. Really, once

751
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 4: you're in that room, they seal the doors and it

752
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 4: is just the booze fest. There is booze everywhere, nobody

753
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 4: eats and this you're smoking, isn't that? He was told

754
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 4: three times? This up smoking, Sean Penn, Sean Pin. You

755
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 4: could see the cup on the table. It was filled

756
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 4: with like ye old stove. So it wasn't like one cigarette.

757
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 4: It was like he had about six or seven cigarettes.

758
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 4: Now what bugged me about this? They have a smoking

759
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 4: area at the hotel, not normally, but they set it

760
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 4: up for the Golden Glibes. So if he'd walked away

761
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 4: from his table, you walk past the bar and then

762
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 4: they have a patio, and outside patio everyone's out there smoking.

763
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 4: He couldn't be bothered to work walk a hundred feet.

764
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: I don't like it. Okay, bye, good stay starting R ratings.

765
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 1: You're not You're going to be a guest one day.

766
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 4: Don't kiss me. You've got a cold, Alvis what you

767
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 4: want in on?

768
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: I asked him who needs pre the most right now?

769
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 4: And he said, Bethany Frankl Bethany Frankle. Yeah, you know

770
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 4: I love Bethany. Can you fix that? We know we're

771
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 4: okay with each other. Hello, luck, he's got card again.

772
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 4: Nate walked in. Nate wasn't so hot for a minute,

773
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 4: and then he bounced back. What do you mean there

774
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 4: was a second when you let yourself go a little bit,

775
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 4: like physically, I got a little.

776
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 1: Fluffy, taking a lot of turn so fat mate.

777
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 4: Well he wasn't fat, mate, but he was like, softly, softly,

778
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 4: you look great. He had a touch of the Leonardo

779
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 4: DiCaprio's like a little little chobby.

780
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: A little fluffy, little fluff.

781
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 4: But now he's back.

782
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: Please get the hell out of here, godul. I ask

783
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: everyone to take their STLF before the podcast star terrible

784
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: crazy stuff.

785
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 4: But I would guess they're the crossover from the big

786
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 4: show to this is really good, so they will know

787
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 4: these characters pop.

788
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, they know who these people are. So Bethany Frankel.

789
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 4: Once again, Bethany hasn't figured out after Housewives who she is.

790
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 4: That's that's it's that's simply I don't want to keep

791
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 4: beating the same point. But who are you Bethany? In

792
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 4: four words? And I think one of the words is

793
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 4: still a housewife or a reality star. Her greatest success

794
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 4: was on that show, and since then she's had a

795
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 4: lot of lot of failures. She's done a talk show,

796
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 4: she's done Skating with the Stars, She's done all these

797
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 4: other projects and none of them really works that well.

798
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: She had her own version of The.

799
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 4: Apprentice, that's right, and that fligs and so like Bethley,

800
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 4: you know, your skill is being a reality star. She's

801
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 4: a great reality star player. Nobody plays that game better

802
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 4: than her. But it's like when Madonna doesn't want to

803
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 4: sing anymore and wants to act. No, do do what

804
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 4: you're good at, don't. I don't want to say I

805
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 4: want to see her. No, no Madonna, no dancing, sing

806
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 4: true blue, sing like a virgin. And Bey should up

807
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 4: talking about this one margarita that you made like it

808
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 4: doesn't make you, Jeff Bezos. You made a margarita, and

809
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 4: to be honest, girl, they ain't. They're nice because it

810
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 4: has no sugar in it. If you have a margarita,

811
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 4: you want the Have you ever had a skinny girl margarita?

812
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: I have? Oh?

813
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 4: I like it though, Oh you like her? That's why

814
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 4: you like it? Oh the chemicals in it. Whole Food's

815
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 4: dropped it because it didn't meet their standards, the chemical,

816
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 4: the chemicals, but it's still well, that's why your skinny

817
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 4: it flushes through you libel allegedly allegedly a legends. I

818
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 4: think Bethanie needs some help, and I think it because

819
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 4: she hasn't figured out who she is and firing off

820
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 4: twelve tiktoks a day, It's just overwhelmed me, like I

821
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 4: would have to block her, Like it's just like every

822
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: and she's always so outraged. God forbid, she should do

823
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 4: a TikTok oh I saw a lovely doggie on the street. No,

824
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 4: everything is four outrage exhausting. So I think Bethanie needs

825
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 4: a little bit of help. And I think Reality Star

826
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 4: US in general, this is going to be a tricky

827
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 4: year because their shows are not what they were. And

828
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 4: I know you love Your Housewives turned a little bit,

829
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 4: it's not it's.

830
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 3: I find myself going back, Like as a season is airing,

831
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 3: I'm still going back to the old season good laugh,

832
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: Like everybody is trying to recreate what they watched and

833
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 3: it's just it's not working.

834
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 4: Like once the magic's gone, you can't put it back

835
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 4: into that bottle. And I feel like all the new

836
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 4: people who are signing up, A couple of people I

837
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 4: know are auditioning right now to be on the New

838
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 4: New York Housewives that they're recasting the New York one,

839
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 4: and they're all trying to be the new Bethany or

840
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 4: the new and I was like, be you. That's the

841
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 4: only chance she got in life. And honestly, this isn't

842
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 4: just for reality to this is for everybody listening. Once

843
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 4: I realized that the only shot I had of success

844
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 4: was being me, then yeah, yourself, like, stop trying to

845
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 4: be a second rate somebody else. Be you. And so

846
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 4: when you go on these shows, now there's a prototype,

847
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 4: there's a there's a there's a formula to fill out. No,

848
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 4: go on and be you. Don't try and go on

849
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 4: and try to be Bethany because it won't work.

850
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: So how do you feel about the news that Nini

851
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 2: is coming?

852
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: There?

853
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 4: Can't wait. I care about and I love her history

854
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 4: with that which is a miracle. She's coming back. And

855
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: had Bethany not upset Andy even more, Nini wouldn't be back.

856
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 4: Because once somebody goes to nuclear hates, you forget everybody

857
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 4: else is awful. And so Nini was really on his

858
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 4: shit list and told Bethany tried to burn that Bravo

859
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 4: And so now all these people that he didn't like

860
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,959
Speaker 4: now were like Oh, they're not so bad, so.

861
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: Real quickly on that what did they both do to Andy?

862
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: I don't know this.

863
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 4: Struggle being accus him. I think of drugs, of cocaine,

864
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 4: of being a sloppy boss, Bethany, racism and racism she

865
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 4: said yes, she said and so, and then Bethany tried

866
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 4: to burn down Brava. She tried to get lawyers involved,

867
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 4: and she wanted to be victuals. She said it was

868
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 4: like an exploitive environment, and she threatened stuff on tiktop

869
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 4: that she never followed through, but the threat was enough.

870
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 4: And it's like, wouldn't you bite the hand that feeds you?

871
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 4: You don't go back. I'm careful too. We see a

872
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 4: lot of stuff in the places we work. But if

873
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 4: you go nuculear, you do it, like if you're got

874
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 4: to go down that road, there will be consequences. It's

875
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 4: interesting because a really senior person at Bravo said to me,

876
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 4: what makes Bethany such great reality TV also makes her

877
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 4: just a terrible person, Like it's just what is fabulous?

878
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 4: What is fabulous on television? It's just so dumb annoying

879
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 4: at dinner, like can you imagine? Like it's lovely to

880
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 4: watch these other people's messiness. But don't you know what

881
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 4: it in your life?

882
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 3: Like?

883
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 4: Don't be careful, which has why you're allowing. I've allowed

884
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: a few into my life and they've all bit me

885
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 4: because that's because they are rewarded for bad behavior. If

886
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 4: you reward people for bad behavior, then they'll keep being bad.

887
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 4: Who's naughty to me? I remember whence I went out

888
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 4: with Ramona Singer and I really fancy hotel the Mark,

889
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 4: and we're having dinner and she pulled out of her

890
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 4: here's bag a bottle of her own wine and asked

891
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 4: them to serve that.

892
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 3: Yes, were and it was a screwed up so we

893
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: didn't need to talk.

894
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 4: It was awful. Try to get a dollar out of

895
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 4: Sunny Morgan, like she'll take you for dinner, but you'll pay,

896
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 4: but you won't like not a dollar, not a dollar.

897
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: We found out she didn't have it.

898
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 4: She doesn't have it, but she has that big townhouse.

899
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 4: She used to do a screening party for the show

900
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 4: every Thursday. Had a house and I used to be

901
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 4: one of the gates. You don't have gays there. I

902
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: invited a girlfriend Sonya said no, no, girl's alive. Just Sonya.

903
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 4: She's that insecure Sonia couldn't allow another woman in the room. Yeah,

904
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 4: and the person invited forgive me was not necessarily the

905
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 4: most attractive person, like such, no no women Sonya in

906
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 4: that tirnhouse. And nothing worked when the battery. Yes, you

907
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 4: couldn't thrush the low like, don't pe Sonia, You're not

908
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 4: going to thrush the log And I remember once I

909
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 4: like turned a tap and it came off in my hand.

910
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 4: And then the other big thing that I love doing

911
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 4: that is when you go to celebrity house is ozepic

912
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 4: has to be not frozen, that has to be refrigerated.

913
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 4: So looking at celebrities fridge because that's they can't hide

914
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 4: you the bed, Like if it's cocaine or heroin, they

915
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 4: can hide that under the coffee table. The ozimpic has

916
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 4: to be the fridge. So you look at the fridge

917
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 4: and make an excuse, I'm just gonna get a few

918
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 4: cups of mice. I get some mice. I'm gonna go

919
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 4: and get a little sowd of my drinks too strong

920
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 4: in that fridge and look all over it. I love

921
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 4: you for that.

922
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: So you have had some very famous clients like you

923
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: just named j Lo.

924
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 4: We know that I love O God.

925
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: I said he was good to you.

926
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 4: I know that's a really tough thing, is that? Gosh?

927
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 4: He was charming and now I understand why he got

928
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 4: away with it for twenty years. He was psychopathically charming.

929
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 4: He was kind to me, he was funny, he was witty,

930
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 4: he was generous, and he was a sociopath.

931
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, all those things. Were you shocked when you heard

932
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: these allegations are coming out, because I have no doubt

933
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: you heard before the rest of us heard.

934
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was, but I was so naive. It was

935
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 4: twenty years ago. As a baby publicist. He was one

936
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 4: of the first big celebrity. Yea, when of the first celebrities.

937
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 4: You know, Cassie wasn't on the scene then, it was

938
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 4: way back. It was, it was kim Porter, it was Jalo,

939
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 4: he was it was even before then. It was right

940
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 4: in the beginning. And I'm never shocked at how power

941
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 4: and fame changes people. I've never shocked, had drugs had boos,

942
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 4: how entitlement changes people? And did he become the king?

943
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 4: When I worked with him, he was on his way up.

944
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 4: He hasn't, He hadn't yet become the superstar, the billionaire

945
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 4: he was not. Yeah, it's like he was three names

946
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 4: in like it definitely. I don't quite remember what name

947
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 4: I left on, but it was definitely a couple of

948
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 4: names in. But it wasn't what it was now. And

949
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 4: so I think you see people change. I saw it

950
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 4: in just the few years I was with him. He

951
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 4: he changed, and then he got entitled, and then he

952
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 4: got psychotic. And now he's in jail. I'm glad he's there.

953
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: Is there anything going on with that right now?

954
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 4: He's going to have a big comeback tour, Like I know,

955
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 4: it's amazing that this might make him. When I was

956
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 4: with Diddy, he's Achilles heel. And what he didn't like

957
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 4: is that he really wasn't street. He was a guy

958
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 4: from a kind of a middle class upbringing. He was

959
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 4: well educated, and so he was always intimidated by the

960
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 4: rappers out there who were more authentic. And to be honest,

961
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 4: the rap community thought did he was a bit of

962
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 4: a pussy. They thought he was all just make believe,

963
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 4: he was all hype. Now he gone to jail, he

964
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 4: now can say he the real I think did he

965
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 4: will be planning a comeback, I'm told already there's talk

966
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 4: about a show at the Garden. He will come out.

967
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 4: He has got hours and hours of video when he

968
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 4: worked with did He. There is just footage his camera

969
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 4: crews with you, clearly, clearly, clear, with you constantly. So

970
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 4: I think there's a place for him now. And it's

971
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 4: a shame of American culture, but he'll end up on

972
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 4: Rava with the bad behavior is rewarded in America. It

973
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 4: really is, like it really is when you think of

974
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 4: some of the people at.

975
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: There, like our president really did people get.

976
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 4: Away with stuff? And so I think there's a future

977
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 4: for did Hey. I know, and there's people out there

978
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 4: that I went down to the courthouse during the trial.

979
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 4: I've never I hadn't seen this passion for him in

980
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 4: twenty years.

981
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: And find that bizarre.

982
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 4: But I think it wasn't about him. It was about

983
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 4: a person of color beating the system or being tied

984
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 4: up in a system. And I understand that narrative, and

985
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 4: it's there's a lot of truth to that narrative. He

986
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 4: was the wrong messenger, but but there is like hear

987
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 4: I was like all a lot of him, but I

988
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 4: was like, the story is a great story, really dead

989
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 4: that we don't need him, but we don't need him.

990
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: And he's good, but the characters that are not so.

991
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 4: Great, right, So I think Denny's gonna have come back.

992
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 4: Jessica Simpson's trying to come back, but I think that

993
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 4: that ship has sailed, you know, is it okay? It's

994
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 4: just that level of thing, you know, God bless Jennifer

995
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 4: j Lo. She'll never stop. I just I saw her

996
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 4: at the Golden Globes in that dress, and I just

997
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 4: I love her. I just she is our fall on

998
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 4: drag queen. And she would say to herself, it is

999
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 4: ruble is She's just the year that I went with

1000
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 4: her to the Golden Globe she looked as ridiculous in

1001
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 4: the fabulous way. She's like Jessica Rabbit. She looked like

1002
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 4: just so. And she got out the car and I

1003
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 4: did chuckle. I was like, oh gosh, and we brought

1004
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 4: down the carpet and everybody went nuts except the other

1005
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 4: celebrities who didn't really like her. Oh and they were

1006
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 4: all a bit mean to her. And Jennifer's spoken about this.

1007
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 4: She's like, they don't really like me. They look down

1008
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 4: their nose in the same way that the movie stars

1009
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 4: look down their nose at TV stars, and TV stars

1010
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 4: look down their nose at reality stars, they sort of

1011
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 4: look down their nose a little bit at jay Loo.

1012
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 4: And what I learned from Jennifer, and it's such a

1013
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 4: good lesson, is screw them. I'm Jayla. She doesn't care.

1014
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: Why do they look down on her?

1015
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 4: I think I think that she's so theatrical, She's so confident.

1016
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 4: She makes them feel very vulnerable in her sexuality, like

1017
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 4: the boobs and the hips, and you know before before

1018
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 4: Kim people, Kim Kardashian people were not doing this. Julia

1019
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 4: Robins did not do that. Meryl Street Plane doing that,

1020
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 4: like Jennifer turns up as a full on theatrical production,

1021
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 4: and I think that bugs them. I also think too

1022
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 4: there's questions about her talent versus her success, and her

1023
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 4: success is so large, and I think these actors that

1024
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 4: went to Julia hard and went to training in classical

1025
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 4: environments and probably there's a bit of jealousy there. There's

1026
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 4: a bit of jealousy.

1027
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: I can see that. I mean, I think that she

1028
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: is very much a testament to hard work WORRD. She

1029
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: looks amazing every day.

1030
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 4: Christmas Day, like she's beautiful to begin with, assuming, but

1031
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 4: she I went to the gym with her once. What

1032
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 4: a mistake. After twenty minutes on that rowing machine, I

1033
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 4: was ready for Margaritea.

1034
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: Despite the fact that she puts in the work talent wise,

1035
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: I could see why some people.

1036
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 4: Be modest talent like her talent is being Jennifer Like.

1037
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 4: What she's done is she's created a character of Jlo

1038
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 4: that is far more interesting than any character she'll ever

1039
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 4: play on a film, and so that bugs them, and

1040
00:48:59,400 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 4: that's why.

1041
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: It was a banger.

1042
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 4: I loved it, and that's why it's difficult to like

1043
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 4: to really go and see a JLO movie and believe

1044
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 4: you're watching anybody but Jaylo. Like the movies that work

1045
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 4: best for Jennifer made in Manhattans when you see when

1046
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 4: you see Jennifer in the character like because then then

1047
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 4: then it makes sense. But it's like it's like Madonna,

1048
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 4: and Madonna's way more interesting than any character she's ever

1049
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 4: going to play, and so it's hard to look past them.

1050
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 4: So I get it. I get why Jennifer annoys them,

1051
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 4: and I love that she's in another joke. Like Jennifer said,

1052
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 4: a lot of those Hollywood people take themselves so seriously.

1053
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: We've had her in here a few times. She takes

1054
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: her soul seriously. At least when she was in here,

1055
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 1: she took herself very seriously.

1056
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 4: I like work seriously. But yeah, they've all come through here,

1057
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 4: they've all come.

1058
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they really have. I haven't been here for a

1059
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: lot of it, but I love picking your brain about

1060
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: your favorites. So, Jennifer Lope has one of your great.

1061
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 4: Spade changed my life. I was Kate Spade's publicist. Makes

1062
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 4: you rest in peace and just quality and smart and decent,

1063
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 4: and she'ld say thank you notes. And she taught me

1064
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 4: how you can get your own way by being nice

1065
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 4: and being kind and being decent is part of life.

1066
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 4: And so I learned a lot from from her. I

1067
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 4: really enjoyed Tyra Banks The World End of Tire. Oh

1068
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 4: there's a lot of choss. Oh she's a whacker dottle.

1069
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 4: I love her. I loved her. I really liked Jessica Simpson.

1070
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 4: Like Jessica made me giggle. Jessica was so generous. If

1071
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 4: you went for dinner with Jessica, she was not a

1072
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 4: real housewive. She paid for the whole restaurant, but she

1073
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 4: was so generous and then after work if we were

1074
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 4: out at NAWD show and she'd give me her driver

1075
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 4: to take me home afterwards, like she was that girl.

1076
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 4: She was like she was really grateful about the money

1077
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 4: and the success. And when she got divorced from Nick

1078
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 4: and she had to write a massive check, she was

1079
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 4: like cool, She's like, I'll make it back. But she

1080
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 4: was not that money or yeah, she certainly did. She

1081
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 4: was really really cool. I loved working with John bon Jovi.

1082
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 4: I love the big hair, and I liked all that,

1083
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 4: like all the hands and ladies. I loved John Clear.

1084
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 4: I had a concert once don't know where. We got

1085
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 4: off a plane and you land in a city and

1086
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 4: you don't really know where you are, and you went

1087
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 4: to the venue and I saw out the corner of

1088
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 4: my eye just two minutes before the show started, and

1089
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 4: I'm in the pit with the photographers because I my

1090
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 4: whole job. I was paid a fortune to work for

1091
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 4: about six minutes. Because the moment John's hair flopped, I

1092
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 4: had to get the photographers out of the pit. So

1093
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 4: wander dead, Aura like get about and it was glare

1094
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 4: at me about his body's got all the body's got

1095
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 4: lightly hair. It gets a little humid, he had to

1096
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 4: kick the photographers up, and so that I used to

1097
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 4: stand in the pit and I could see out the

1098
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 4: corner of my eye this woman with enormous boobs walking

1099
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 4: towards me, and she had a slippery when wet t

1100
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 4: shirt on, and she would have had sex with me

1101
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 4: to get to John like it was the first time

1102
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 4: as a gay guy that I've ever experienced that sort

1103
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 4: of that that devotion, that that star passion yessosis that

1104
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 4: I did know what a group he was like, you

1105
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 4: don't meet a group you with Tyra Banks put with

1106
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 4: Sharp on show. They were really sexually charged.

1107
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: And he seemed like he enjoyed that part of if you, oh, yeah.

1108
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 4: This is so nought. I shouldn't tell the story, but

1109
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 4: I will. On the stage, they had little pits on

1110
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 4: the stage, and you couldn't buy a ticket for the pit.

1111
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 4: You had to be given a wristband by normally a

1112
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 4: security guard and they called it forgive me you might

1113
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 4: have to bleep me here. They call it the pussy pit.

1114
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 4: And so they would find very attractive girls to put

1115
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 4: in the pit, so that as the show went on,

1116
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 4: if John got a little bored or Richie. They could

1117
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 4: look down and see these beautiful women. Half of them

1118
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 4: were like very scantily dressed and security with given that

1119
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 4: John had upset me on the plane, and so I

1120
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 4: got two pussy Pit bands and I found the most

1121
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 4: unlikely candidates physically to be a bit. I had to

1122
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 4: around the find two girls in the corner with their

1123
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 4: glasses and I said, ladies, have I got a surprise

1124
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 4: for you. I've got two tickets to the pussy Pit

1125
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 4: and I put them in there and Jod was singing

1126
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 4: a ballad and he almost gasped, Wow, if you two

1127
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 4: ladies are listening, you're gorgeous. Like you're gorgeous.

1128
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're listening, as Alicia.

1129
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 4: Like, it's so weird now now that I don't work

1130
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 4: with these people, they know me. I was in their

1131
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 4: lives like we're text with email. I've bumped into a

1132
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 4: few of them at parties, and it's so interesting because

1133
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 4: some of them pretend they don't know me. I know.

1134
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 4: It's almost like, well the staff, it's free down to abbey.

1135
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 4: I've seen too.

1136
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: Much behind the curtain. Also is a little embarrassing for them.

1137
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 4: I'm careful what to saying, not because I'm trying to

1138
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 4: be evasive, but I think you can tell stories with

1139
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 4: a bit of love. Like it's a love letter to celebrity,

1140
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 4: my life, my calor, my substack. It's a love letter

1141
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 4: to celebrities. And I think it's in the title I'm

1142
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 4: naughty but nice. I'm a nice guy and I like

1143
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 4: a pinch. But I don't like a punch. You can't punch,

1144
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 4: but you can pinch. You're a picture. You're a good picture.

1145
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 4: You're a good picture. I like a pinch like my

1146
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 4: friends for drigs. Honestly, if you're listening to love alone,

1147
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 4: my nicest friends are a bit dull. My awful friends

1148
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 4: are wildly entertaining in the middle. If you could be

1149
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 4: naughty but nice, then you've won.

1150
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: So you're winning. And I love the celebrities that you loved.

1151
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: And I will end here because I know everybody has

1152
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: to go, but celebrities who are menaces and real life

1153
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: that you are. Like absolutely, if I saw someone I

1154
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: knew dating this person, I would break that up.

1155
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 4: Oh such a good one. I mean, I think I've

1156
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 4: already given it away with Bethany. Bethany is just a bad, bad,

1157
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 4: bad human being. I worked for Lara Spencer and Good

1158
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 4: Morning America, and that was not pleasant. Lara's a tough,

1159
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 4: tough devil. That was not a fun experience.

1160
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 3: You know.

1161
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 4: I love the the glamour of it, but being Naomi

1162
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 4: Campbell's publicist wasn't easy either. That was allegedly that was

1163
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 4: a lot. That was a lot. That was a lot

1164
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 4: of drama that that I don't think I want to

1165
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 4: be part of, you know. And I've seen people be

1166
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 4: really rude. I've seen Ariana Grandy be really nasty. I've

1167
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 4: seen it, like it didn't happen to me, but I've

1168
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 4: been at events where I've seen her people be really

1169
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 4: nasty for no reason. It's all at the security. Martha

1170
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 4: makes me laugh there because she's just so nasty. It's

1171
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 4: just it's just so like Martha. Hello, I like Martha

1172
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 4: makes me laugh. Who else?

1173
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 3: You know?

1174
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 4: He's a friend of the show, so let me tread carefully.

1175
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 4: But Jimmy Fallon's got an edge.

1176
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: Really, that's that's that's not surprising because I've heard it.

1177
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 4: But I want to be friends with the Andy Cohen

1178
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 4: that I watch for thirty minutes every night at eleven

1179
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 4: o'clock on That isn't the Andy Cone you meet.

1180
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: What about the Andy?

1181
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 4: I think it's fun and cheeky and sassy. Andy on

1182
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 4: camera is who you want to know?

1183
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: Is he wore that guy?

1184
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 4: You know, he's quite quite mean. There's a meanness to him.

1185
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 3: You know.

1186
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 4: I'm working on this new story on sub Stack that

1187
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 4: Sarah Jessica wasn't so kind to people on Sex and

1188
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 4: the City, and Kim Catrell has told that story, and

1189
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 4: now Chris Nof looks like he's going to tell it too,

1190
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 4: that Sarah wasn't the kindest. And so you know, you

1191
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 4: can look around your office wherever you work today. You

1192
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 4: know the good ones, you know the bad ones, and

1193
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 4: you know people have good and bad days. You do

1194
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 4: know the stinkers. You do know the stinkers. And at

1195
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 4: the top of it for me are the ones. It's

1196
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 4: probably reality stars who are just nasty without any credentials.

1197
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: How it goes though it is it is insecurity, as

1198
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: you know.

1199
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 4: And I don't think give you because you're really talented.

1200
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say because you're Barbara Streyis and

1201
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 4: you can be really awful because you're the best singer

1202
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 4: in the world who are allowed to be awful. I

1203
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 4: don't want to go down that road. But I often

1204
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 4: find the ones with the least are the ones that

1205
00:56:59,000 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 4: are the nastiest.

1206
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1207
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: Same, I feel the same word.

1208
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 4: Which is why we are lovely, because we've got.

1209
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: So much, so much everything at our fingertips. All right,

1210
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 1: you were a book coming out.

1211
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 4: I do thank you for this pre ordering. Now, so

1212
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 4: have a book coming out. It started with a whisper.

1213
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 4: This is my very first novel. It's based on I

1214
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 4: had my own TV show, a morning show on VH one,

1215
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 4: and it's four gossip columnists, four entertainment experts, insiders who've

1216
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 4: got a morning show, and this book is based on that.

1217
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 4: So four of us in the entertainment world we get

1218
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 4: a morning show on a really dodgy cable network that's

1219
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 4: struggling VICH one, and and we we pay, we pay

1220
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 4: our bills telling stories about celebrities. Very quickly there in

1221
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 4: the book, it becomes very clear that the real secrets,

1222
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 4: the real stories, are about us. I'm gonna get this

1223
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 4: book available from Amazon, comes out in the spring. If

1224
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 4: you get it today, it helps me just with like

1225
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 4: algorithms and pre numbers, pre pre sales. But it's available

1226
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 4: now for pre sale. It started with the whisper at

1227
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 4: Amazon dot com.

1228
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: Okay, amazing. And last thing, do you have a blind

1229
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: item for us?

1230
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 3: Oh?

1231
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 4: A good blind item too, I have. I don't know.

1232
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 4: I should ask me before so I could come with

1233
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 4: one I have. Oh which chef did I see recently?

1234
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 4: And whole foods bending over in the vegetable section and

1235
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 4: not wearing any underwear. It's a male. Oh no, I

1236
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 4: could see. I could see right down in his jeans, a.

1237
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: Chef right down his jees. Does it rhyme with Robbie.

1238
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 4: You've got a very good imagination. Bobby wear some underwear Bobby.

1239
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: People want to find you online on substack.

1240
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 4: Go to substack. That's all I care about. All the

1241
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 4: other stuff is nonsense.

1242
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: I don't care about.

1243
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 4: It's very nice, but that substack is like my priority.

1244
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 4: I'm loving it. So if you want it, and you

1245
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 4: don't have to be a member of substack, it's not

1246
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 4: like this private little community. Go to substack dot com.

1247
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 4: Type in rob shoes so it's that easy. My name

1248
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 4: will pop up. It's a big old picture of me.

1249
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 4: You can't miss it. Type in your email address and

1250
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 4: then that's it. You'll get. You'll get a newsletter three

1251
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 4: four times a day with all the breaking news. It

1252
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 4: takes less than two minutes to read. It's not on

1253
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 4: these big, long, rambling New York Times emails. It's really sure.

1254
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 4: You can read it literally while you're in the elevator,

1255
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 4: and then you get all your news.

1256
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: Perfect. Thank you for coming back, and I have to

1257
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: have you come back again.

1258
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 4: I'll come back when the book sad.

1259
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, Diamond, did you get the info

1260
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: that you wanted?

1261
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 2: Yes?

1262
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 4: And yes?

1263
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: Okay, what did you not get enough info on?

1264
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 3: Was he actually working with Alicia Keys when she when

1265
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 3: she ruined that, but he didn't. He didn't answer that,

1266
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 3: which is kind of smart for him, right because I'll

1267
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 3: never tell you. I want to hear more about Bethany Frankel.

1268
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 3: You know she started a new app for what a

1269
00:59:59,320 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 3: dating app?

1270
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: But is she dating?

1271
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 4: Yes?

1272
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's back out there. I don't know her billionaire

1273
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 3: producer boyfriend. They broke up. Remember that was a big deal.

1274
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 3: That was probably like two years ago. Now she's been

1275
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 3: reeling from it. I don't care what anyone says.

1276
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: Okay whatever. Breaking up with a billionaire myself, I.

1277
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: Know, and he seemed like cool for her.

1278
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 3: You know. But she started this new dating app and

1279
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 3: she claims that she has like a small society of

1280
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 3: people that she's tested it on and they all love it.

1281
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 3: But people are saying that it's horrible. So I'm like,

1282
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 3: what's different about it that it's like a closed society.

1283
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 3: And also, I guess they do some type of vetting

1284
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 3: process to make sure you're serious, like elite dating. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I don't know all that, all the details. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: she tried to make it seem like the vetting is

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01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 3: so intense that like you will find someone because everyone

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01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 3: is serious about finding somebody. I don't think that that's

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01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 3: the way that you sell something because there's always going

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01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 3: to be someone who slips between the cracks.

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Speaker 1: And also terrifies me. Yeah, I like, I like, you

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01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: know me, I like to play it my ear easy breezy,

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01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: fly by the seat of my pants. Someone comes out

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01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: and be like, I'm here for it, let's go. I

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01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: would have a heart.

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Speaker 3: Attack, but yeah, there are way more women who want that, apparently.

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Speaker 3: I know that scares me too, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So I have a friend who is like, he's going

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01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: through a divorce right now, and he's fucking miserable and

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01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: also weird. I don't know what's happening with him, but

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Speaker 1: he's being goofy about a lot of stuff, and he

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01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: is just so hell bent on how a relationship is

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01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: supposed to be and that is it. And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I gotta say, maybe you being so rigid about things

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01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: is kind of what the problem is, Like, just be easy, dog,

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Speaker 1: ease up.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, we've seen never mind, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna use Scottie as an example. It's working

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Speaker 3: out for him. He's very he's very serious about specific

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Speaker 3: things in a relationship, and he continues to find it.

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Speaker 1: So I have so many questions because I don't think

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01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: he hides it. No, So people are just accepting of.

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Speaker 2: That absolutely, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: And you don't even know if you're listening, you don't

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Speaker 1: even know. It's so dark and deep. And I'll say,

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Speaker 1: till the day I died, the fact that anyone thought

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01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: we were having an affair, which he really plays into haha, No,

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: That that's hilarious.

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Speaker 1: It's not. It's rude.

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Speaker 3: It's still funny to me. I'm sorry it was me,

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01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 3: but the fact that it's not me makes it funny.

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Speaker 1: When I first got the call, I was laughing because

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Speaker 1: I was like, this is hilarious, Like, what on the planet?

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01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 2: Wait?

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01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: What this is?

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01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 3: For real?

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01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 4: What?

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01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm offended? Now I'm offended. Cool, that's fine. Meanwhile, my

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01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: boyfriend's like, has anything ever gone on?

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01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: Are you kidding?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: It would have gotten blocked. He would have gotten blocked

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Speaker 3: for that. Of all people, Scottie, That's what.

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Speaker 1: I said, and I have no doubt that he was

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Speaker 1: somewhere saying the exact same thing. Of all people, this bitch,

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01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: no one is meaner to me than her?

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01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 3: What?

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01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: But alas, apparently that made for chemistry so great. On

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01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: that note, we'll have to have Rob back him for sure, please,

1342
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: so that you can ask him a gazillion more questions.

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01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: He dropped something off the air that I don't even

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01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: think we can repeat. Can we repeat the reason somebody

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01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: doesn't go to an award show because of somebody else?

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Speaker 3: Probably not, But I think that soon we'll be able

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01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 3: to get back into it, because there are little things

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01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 3: like kind of sparking.

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01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: Easter eggs, yeah, hints, clues whatever. Okay, yeah, I'll just

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01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: say this, Oh this will be our blind item. Okay,

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01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: A very famous celebrity mom with a company apparently refuses

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01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: to go to award shows because someone else is at

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01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: these award shows who she hates, who might have a

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01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: sibling in a similar field.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, that's good. That's good.

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01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: Not as good as Robbi shme I definieve. I can't

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01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: wait to talk to him about this.

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01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to create that is that's intense, all right.

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Speaker 1: On that note, if people want to find you, Diamond,

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Speaker 1: where they gonna.

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01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 2: Find you at Diamond. Sincere on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: And I am at Baby Hot Sauce Like follow, subscribe,

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01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: Please follow the podcast Sauce on the side on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Leave us a talk back and we're gonna get to them,

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01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: I promise. But until next time, stay bye Diamond Bye,