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Speaker 1: Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio, of course, chair of the

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Speaker 1: House Judiciary Committee.

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Speaker 2: Mister Sherriman, welcome. It's good to see here. You're on

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Speaker 2: the balcony on the day of the government's actually running.

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Speaker 1: So we don't know if the government will be set

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Speaker 1: to shut down on November seventeenth, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: we're going to figure that out in this conversation. How

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Speaker 1: about the motion to vacate that apparently is coming from

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Speaker 1: Congressman Matt Gates.

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Speaker 2: Do you support his effort to alst No?

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, Matt's a good guy, great I think

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Speaker 3: a talented member of the Congress, certainly a talented member

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Speaker 3: of the Judiciary Committee. But I do not support that.

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Speaker 3: I think Kevin McCarthy's done a good job. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we told the American people that we would pass legislation

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Speaker 3: to get rid of the eighty seven thousand RS agents.

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Speaker 3: We told the American people we'd pass the Printal Bill

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Speaker 3: of Rights.

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Speaker 4: We did that.

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Speaker 3: We told the American people we would pass legislation to

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Speaker 3: deal with the energy problem.

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Speaker 4: We told the American people we would pass the toughest.

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Speaker 3: Border security security immigration enforcement legislation in history.

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Speaker 4: And we did that, not to mention.

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Speaker 3: We told the American people we would do the oversight

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Speaker 3: to look into how these agencies have been turned on

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Speaker 3: we the people, how they've been turned against the very

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Speaker 3: people that are supposed to serve, and we have done.

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Speaker 3: I think that all under Speaker McCarthy's leadership. Now those

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Speaker 3: bills haven't been brought up by Senator Schumer, and that's

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Speaker 3: his fault. But we have done what we told the

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Speaker 3: American people we would do on those issues, and I

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Speaker 3: think Kevin has been the leader that done a good job.

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Speaker 5: So who is with Congressman Gates.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I know a number of people who were part of

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Speaker 3: that twenty back in January I think have made statements

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Speaker 3: today that they do not support doing moving forward with

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Speaker 3: the motion of a K. I think there's statements out

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Speaker 3: from some of my good friends and colleagues and the

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Speaker 3: Freedom Caucus, like Scott Perry, I think Bryn mc donald's,

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Speaker 3: I think Congressman Roy So I think that's a good sign.

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Speaker 4: But we'll just have to see.

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Speaker 5: So you think the Freedom Caucus will as a group

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Speaker 5: maintain support for Speaker McCarthy.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: We got it.

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Speaker 4: We have a meeting tonight.

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Speaker 3: But I do know the Scott's the chairman, I mean

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Speaker 3: Congressman Perry is the chairman of our group, and I

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Speaker 3: think he said that he's not in favor of moving

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Speaker 3: ahead with this motion of a cake, which is I

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Speaker 3: think a great sign to see.

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Speaker 2: Your name comes up a lot. You're on a lot

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Speaker 2: of short lists.

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Speaker 1: You went through this at the beginning of the year

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Speaker 1: when it was a fight for speaker. Of course Kevin

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Speaker 1: McCarthy's survived. To believe it was fifteen rounds. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: as long as you're on these short lists, would you

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Speaker 1: stand to be speaker if you want.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to. I don't want to be speaker.

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Speaker 3: I want I want Kevin McCarthy to be speaker. I

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Speaker 3: want to focus on the job.

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Speaker 2: And if you were asked to serve your country in

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to focus on the job I have.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm serving the folks in the fourth District

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Speaker 3: of Ohio. That's my main job is to do what

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Speaker 3: I told them I was going to do when they

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Speaker 3: gave me the privilege, to represent them, their families, their business,

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Speaker 3: our communities across West central and North central Ohio, and

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Speaker 3: to do the work on the Judiciary Committee to hold

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Speaker 3: these agencies accountable, and I think we've made a difference.

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Speaker 3: There's so many things we would not have known about.

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Speaker 3: I get just one example that the IRS no longer

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Speaker 3: makes unannounced visits to American citizens' home Now. Commissioner warfol says, well,

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Speaker 3: we're doing that for the safety of our agents. Belooney,

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Speaker 3: they're doing that because we caught them knocking on Matt

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Speaker 3: talking about how this censorship industrial complexes he turned it

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Speaker 3: is attacking American citizens First Amendment rights. We exposed all that,

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Speaker 3: but that's the work I want to focus on, because again,

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Speaker 3: that's what I told the voters I was going to

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Speaker 5: So you're supporting how Speaker Kevin McCarthy. Let's take a

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Speaker 5: listen to what Speaker McCarthy had to say earlier today

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Speaker 5: to reporters on Capitol Hill. Listen to everybody they elected

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Speaker 5: me to be Speaker so I made a decision.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was best to keep the government open,

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Speaker 3: and it was a gamble.

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Speaker 4: To do it.

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Speaker 3: There was no guarantee that the Democrats would vote for

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Speaker 3: You saw them scramble.

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Speaker 4: Don't know whether we had enough vote, no time to

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Speaker 3: But you know, at times and places like this, I

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Speaker 3: need to make decisions, and I made a decision and.

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Speaker 4: Went with it.

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Speaker 5: The grimblement's going to maintain open. As he said, he

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Speaker 5: said the Democrats had to scramble. So maybe this eleventh

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Speaker 5: hour deal was actually savvy on his part, jamming up

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Speaker 5: seem like President Biden feels like he had some sort

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Speaker 3: Is that your understanding, not at all? And frank slam

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Speaker 3: glad that's not in the legislation. I think the American

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Speaker 3: people are frustrated by the continuous amount of money that

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Speaker 3: frustrated because, frankly, no one can tell us what the

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Speaker 3: of Crimea, which they've had since I think twenty fourteen

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Speaker 3: when they took it in the Obama administration, What.

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Speaker 4: Is the objective, what is the goal? And until the

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Speaker 4: President of United.

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Speaker 3: States, the Commander chief can tell us that, Tony Bleaking

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Speaker 3: can tell us that, why in the world should we

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Speaker 3: continue to send a hard earned money to the American

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Speaker 3: wide open. And again, that's not just Republicans like Jim

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Speaker 3: Jordan saying the Mayor of New York City, Eric Adams

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Speaker 2: A security assistant.

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Speaker 5: The three hundred million that's in the defense budget that's

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Speaker 3: That's been in there forever, I think that's a that's

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Speaker 3: a different question. But what I'm not in favor of

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Speaker 3: is sending more American tax dollars to Ukraine. I think

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Speaker 3: we I think that just a common sense position, and frankly,

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Speaker 3: I think the majority of the House Republicans understand that

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious, though, as you speak in supportive speaker

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Speaker 2: You voted against the continuing.

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Speaker 1: Resolution on Saturday, right, Yeah, Why why didn't you give

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Speaker 3: Well, because there's because increased spending. But there there were

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Speaker 3: five options on the table. I think we took the

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Speaker 3: fourth best. The best option was to run the play

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Speaker 3: we called remember in the debt sealing agreement, we said

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Speaker 3: if we do a CR in the next year, there's

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Speaker 3: an automatic one percent cut that kicks in. That's how

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Speaker 3: you leveraged getting the twelve appropriation deals is have that

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Speaker 4: So that was the best option.

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Speaker 3: The second best option was to focus on one issue,

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Speaker 3: put that on this continuing resolution, and everyone knows what

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Speaker 3: the one issue is, Democrats, even though it's the border

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Speaker 3: for goodness sake, But we couldn't get votes for that.

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Speaker 4: The third best option is the one we tried on Friday.

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Speaker 3: Which said we're going to reduce spending some we're going

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Speaker 3: to fund the government, we want to create that commission,

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Speaker 3: and we're going to address the border situation. And we

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Speaker 3: didn't have the votes for that. So the worst option

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Speaker 3: was what the Senate was going to send us. But

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Speaker 3: the Speaker went to work and said instead of taking

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Speaker 3: the fifth option, the worst one, We'll take the fourth option.

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Speaker 4: Which is no Ukraine funding.

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Speaker 3: It was it was the fourth best out of free

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Speaker 3: still in vote because they increased spending, and I, frankly

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Speaker 3: I told the speaker, I said I can't vote for that,

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Speaker 3: because I told our conference, stood up in our conference

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Speaker 3: when I supported the dead sealing agreement and said, if

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Speaker 3: be for what the play call was, kick a cr

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Speaker 3: in the next year, get the leverage of a one

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Speaker 3: percent cut to get our work done. I still think

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Speaker 3: that's the best move in the situation we're in. When

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Speaker 3: you have divide a government, you're going to have to

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Speaker 3: deal with things like this. There's going to be a

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Speaker 4: That's an incentive to actually.

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Speaker 3: Work together and figure out how we can do these

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Speaker 3: and agree to the numbers or funded the number that.

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Speaker 4: Already been said. It was set in the dead sealing

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Speaker 4: Jim Jordan. You're right.

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Speaker 5: Deadlines do change negotiations, whether you're journalists, behavior or lawmakers.

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Speaker 5: Jim Jordan, Chair of the Judiciary, thank you so much

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Speaker 5: for joining US