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Speaker 4: What's up everybody, and welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 4: I am your host, Chris Raven. I am joined by

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Speaker 4: one of the best fantasy football rankers on the planet

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Speaker 4: and Sean Kerner, and today we are going to talk

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Speaker 4: all about the top twelve quarterbacks. If you have not

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Speaker 4: listened to our Late Round Quarterback episode already, we have

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Speaker 4: it up right now. It's featuring none other than mister

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Speaker 4: Late Round Quarterback himself, JJ Zacharieson, so be sure to

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Speaker 4: that good stuff. So be sure to leave us a

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Speaker 4: review if you like the pod, But Sean, what's going

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Speaker 4: on up?

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Speaker 3: We're getting closer training camps underway. Next week we get

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Speaker 3: our first preseason game with the Jaggers and Raiders.

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Speaker 1: A you're getting excited or what I am?

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Speaker 4: I'm also it's I feel like good things are happening

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Speaker 4: Chris Godwin has been cleared, Michael Thomas just came off

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Speaker 2: So, uh, you know, I'm kind of liking this. You know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it helps, you know, taking the guessing game out

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Speaker 4: Now we just got to hope knock on wood that

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Speaker 4: Hopefully all right, So yeah, this episode, we're gonna run

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Speaker 2: Will be doing this all all training camp, long, all preseason.

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Speaker 4: we usually do this time of year, but for this one,

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Speaker 4: The top with Josh Allen's going as a QB one

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Speaker 3: Every given week, you know you're gonna have these qbs

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the opportunity cost, right, Like it's not niggainst Mahomes.

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Speaker 2: A pretty big deal.

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Speaker 3: And when you're talking about Justin Herbert, you know he

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I just like the fact that, you know,

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Speaker 2: So I do like justin Herbert over Mahomes this year.

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Speaker 1: But like there's no other downside Herbert.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and their best running back is like probably a

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Speaker 4: I just thought it was interesting that they had similar

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Herbert he's going QB three, about thirty seventh overall,

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Speaker 1: I still think he's a top four quarterback. Is a

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Speaker 3: But I think losing Markis Brown does I don't think

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Speaker 4: Hey, don't don't disrespect James Prosting, like we got that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have over I have under three and a half.

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Speaker 2: Somebody's got to catch ball.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised that I thought.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean everyone knows you got to let the

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Speaker 1: Man is he still around.

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Speaker 4: He's I don't think he's He's too good. Yeah, he

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Speaker 4: to see him that that running really catch up to

435
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 4: him last year and he you know, he missed games,

436
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 4: so you know, I think, is he should he still

437
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 4: be in that number four spot? I think so, But

438
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,119
Speaker 4: I think we have to have temperate expectations. I mean,

439
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 4: even if you look at his season long props, you know,

440
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 4: three thousand, six hundred and fifty yards passing, twenty four

441
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 4: and a half touchdowns. You know, that's nothing crazy through

442
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 4: the air, but he's still you know, nine hundred rushing

443
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 4: yard six and a half rushing touchdowns. I think the

444
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,880
Speaker 4: touchdowns are a little high, but I do expect him

445
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,199
Speaker 4: to run for you know, in that in that eight

446
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 4: nine one thousand yards.

447
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: How many projected passing ars do you have for him?

448
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 3: Let's see, because I have three thousand, five hundred and

449
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 3: ninety so I'm just barely under the prop.

450
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,679
Speaker 4: I have thirty six twenty three, okay, I yeah, I'm

451
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,679
Speaker 4: twenty I'm about twenty five yards under the prop. You're

452
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 4: about about what seventy five or something sixty?

453
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

454
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I will say he does have a lower

455
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 3: floor just given how much he runs, he is more

456
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 3: prone to injury compared to like a Brady that's going

457
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 3: to stay in the pocket the entire time. And I

458
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 3: will say, We've talked about it, but it was interesting

459
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 3: to see how when Tyler Huntley was filling in for

460
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson actually helped guys like Markith Brown and Mark Andrews.

461
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 3: So that was interesting to note where if if Lamar

462
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 3: does go down, they still Tyler County there guys like

463
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 3: you know Bateman and Mark Andrews should be able.

464
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: To sustain fancy value.

465
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know it's that's a good point.

466
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 4: I think what happened was going on with Huntley. I

467
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 4: think it was a reflection of not just Lamar Jackson,

468
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 4: but also Greg Roman. Like we I've given Greg Roman

469
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 4: a lot of credit. I've been impressed with what he's

470
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 4: done over the years with with guys like you know.

471
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 1: Tyer Sayler.

472
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe. I'm not sure if you have. I

473
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 4: think he had Kaepernick at one point too. I think

474
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 4: he was there in San Francisco. I think it was briefly.

475
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's.

476
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 4: Always done a good job, especially with these building offenses

477
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 4: around these mobile quarterbacks. However, last year I didn't think

478
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 4: it was his best work. I thought I thought they

479
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 4: defenses at one point in the year. I think it

480
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 4: was around that maybe week six seven at Miami game.

481
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 4: If you remember on uh it was a primetime game,

482
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 4: may have been a Thursday night game, but I just

483
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 4: remember Miami like zero blitzing and the.

484
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: Ravens had no answer.

485
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 4: And that's not supposed to be the case, Like you're

486
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 4: not supposed to be able to play man coverage against

487
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 4: the running quarterback like Lamar Jackson that efficiently like and

488
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 4: so now the receiving corps is worse. So I mean,

489
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 4: you got to hope that Greg Roman figures something out.

490
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 4: And I know part of it is just you know,

491
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 4: Lamar's limitations as a passer as well, but you know,

492
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 4: I think the leagu's kind of catching on to Lamar

493
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 4: a little bit. It kind of bears out if you

494
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 4: look at his statistics. You know, since that MVP year,

495
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 4: his touchdown rate went from nine percent to six point

496
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 4: nine percent and twenty twenty to four point two percent

497
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 4: last year, so dropping massively each year. And then the

498
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 4: interception rate one point five percent in his MVP season,

499
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 4: two point four percent and twenty twenty three point four

500
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 4: percent last year. So like there's a queer just downward

501
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 4: trend in his in his production, his QBR eighty three

502
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 4: to sixty seven to fifty over the last three years, So.

503
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's I think it's.

504
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 4: A cliche to say, but defenses are starting to figure

505
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 4: out not not how to stop him in this offense,

506
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 4: but contain it at least. Yeah.

507
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: Well, to be fair, last year they did loser starting

508
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 3: running back and the backup, and they you know, they're

509
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 3: rotating guys in like Latavis Murray living on Bell about

510
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 3: to prement like all the classics, right.

511
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: So I'm not buying that.

512
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 4: I'm not buying that this offense is built on running,

513
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 4: on running, but it's supposed to be able to. But

514
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 4: they're supposed to be able to just you know Miyco

515
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 4: in different backs.

516
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 3: The back is not supposed to matter. Well, I would

517
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 3: agree with that, but I think it does help having

518
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 3: a guy like JK.

519
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: Dobbins.

520
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 3: Even though I'm not drafting him any of my draft

521
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: I still like him as a talent. So I think

522
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 3: getting a guy like that back in an extreme run

523
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 3: heavy offense will certainly help.

524
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 2: JK.

525
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 4: Dobbins had the pump, fe like he was the guy

526
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 4: that we thought we were going to get, like the

527
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 4: good news on and then he's like, yeah, I'm certainly

528
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 4: I'll certainly be ready for we go on, and then

529
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 4: of course he's one of the players that does land

530
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 4: on the pup and we don't know when he's coming off.

531
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 4: So hopefully JK gets healthy but free Tyler Baby, free

532
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,239
Speaker 4: Tyler Baby. But yeah, I just think I just think

533
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 4: the week's catching on and I don't think it was

534
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 4: a I mean, you know, I could be wrong on that,

535
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 4: but from whatever what I saw, I just think, you know,

536
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 4: these defenses starting to figure it out. We'll just kind

537
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 4: of remember and this is kind of getting into it

538
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 4: with kind of the projection side a little more. But

539
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 4: you know, any numbers you look at from two years ago,

540
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 4: you have to keep in mind that the league averages

541
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 4: across the board for offense were up because of the

542
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 4: pandemic and there were no fans in the stands and

543
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 4: that really helped the offenses. So, like across the board,

544
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 4: like passing numbers decreased last year, whether it was touchdown

545
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 4: rate went down, interception rate went up, passing yards per

546
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 4: game went down about twelve yards or so.

547
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: So just little things like that. So to keep in mind,

548
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 2: if you're like expecting a guy to.

549
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 4: Bounce back to let's say twenty twenty levels even the

550
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 4: we averages across the border a little higher.

551
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: So that's another thing.

552
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 4: But uh, Tyler, Kyler, I mean anything anything going on

553
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 4: with Kyler lately? I haven't been Uh he got paid, right,

554
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 4: Why did he ever?

555
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: So here's my question to you.

556
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, over under over under four and a half hours

557
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 4: of film per week for Kyler Murray in twenty twenty

558
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 4: two under independent Independent Studies.

559
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: That is under because he's required for four hours, right,

560
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 3: so he'll stop Redditt.

561
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 2: Four So oh man, iler is the clock out? He's

562
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: the guy that clocks out ye on the dot? Yeah?

563
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: Why not?

564
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 3: If I'm assuming the fact that they have to put

565
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 3: that in means they are expecting to get the bare minimum.

566
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna what do I get for four exactly?

567
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: Like two to one odds? Yeah?

568
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you get if you get if he does

569
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: four exactly, every you get you get like plus you know,

570
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 4: plus he's got like fifty to one if he's on

571
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 4: the dot or no.

572
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm gonna take all. As soon as he

573
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: meets his requirement, he's done. I mean he's got to

574
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: go spend that money, right. I just think that's a

575
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 3: that's a wild contractor extentive.

576
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 4: I mean, although I do see both sides, because I see,

577
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 4: you know, one side is saying like, especially by making

578
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 4: it public, like everyone's it's gonna be a distraction. But

579
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 4: at the same time, I think, like there was no

580
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 4: way they couldn't pay him, right, So it was just

581
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 4: kind of a subtle way to hold him accountable, you know,

582
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 4: like because everyone is gonna ask about it, right, It's like,

583
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 4: and if he does have bad games, the last thing

584
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 4: he's gonna want to do is answer to like, you know,

585
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 4: how much film you've been watching, so like it might work,

586
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 4: It just might work.

587
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, But as far as his on the field.

588
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 4: You know, fantasy performance and rejections, you know, he's kind

589
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 4: of he's a QB five.

590
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: He's going fifty ninth overall on average.

591
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 4: So I don't quite understand how because I'm using a

592
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 4: fantasy pros number and they say he's gone fifty ninth,

593
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 4: but Burrows fifty three.

594
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: But Burrow's KB six, So I don't know.

595
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that too in their numbers, and I

596
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 4: think maybe it's supposed to be a flip flopped. But

597
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 4: either way, howe Murray's going in in the middle of

598
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 4: the fifth round.

599
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: How you know, where does he kind of fit into

600
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: your your draft way?

601
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

602
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 3: So, I mean he's the cheapest of this you know,

603
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: tier two qbs. Who have you know, QB one overall upside,

604
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: So I think that if he were to fall far enough,

605
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 3: I would consider him either way.

606
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got Jalen Hurts coming up. I'd rather

607
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: just wait for him.

608
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: But we we've yet to see him put it all

609
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 3: together for sixteen seventeen games, so he needs to prove it.

610
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: Usually we get you know, all star Kyler on the

611
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 3: first half, then he falls apart in the second half.

612
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: You know, he's going to be without DeAndre Hopkins in

613
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: the first six games, so that's going to sting a bit.

614
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: But once he returns, I mean he's going to have

615
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: the best supporting cast in his career with Marquis Brown.

616
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: There.

617
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: We just talked about Lamar losing Marquise Brown. Kyler gets

618
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: Marquise Brown, He'll have zach Ertz the entire season, which

619
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: I think will help. Plus, you know, having a guy

620
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: like Marquise Brown potentially adding a vertical threat to this

621
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: offense where it was much needed, can open things up

622
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: for you know, like zach Ertz over the Melllefield or

623
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: even you know, potential year two breakout Rondelle Moore. So

624
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: I think if if everything goes though, I think Kyler's

625
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: gonna have the best supporting cast. We already know he

626
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: has massive rushing upside. So I kind of like him

627
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: out of all these Tier two guys, just considering he's

628
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: the cheapest, I think he's offering the most value.

629
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: And how do you how do you think that is

630
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: going to affect him?

631
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 4: Just the loss of Hopkins for those first six games,

632
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 4: I mean, Hopkins was already I will say this like,

633
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 4: Hopkins is great, and I think his Madner ratings.

634
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: A little too high. I think it was like ninety six.

635
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: No respected him. Man, Hopkins has been nasty doing this

636
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 4: for like what eight years now. But I thought, you know,

637
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 4: just looking at some of his underlying metrics, that's how

638
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 4: you know, I know you and I you can we

639
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 4: like to look at like the pro route statistics and

640
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: things like that. There was some drop off, So he's

641
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 4: not I don't think he's at his peek anymore. But

642
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 4: how do you still that's obviously a big wast How

643
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 4: do you think that that affects Timer for those first

644
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 4: six weeks.

645
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'll definitely affect him that.

646
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: Like I said, once he comes back, you know, he's

647
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 3: gonna have an all star cast around him. I think

648
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: he has enough weapons around him to survive the first

649
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: six games. Plus, Kyler has rushing upside, right, so if

650
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 3: people aren't open, he could just scramble and you know,

651
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: run for it. So I think the fact that they

652
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: brought in Marquis Brown really helps the fact that they're

653
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: gonna be without Hopkins. And like you said, I think

654
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Speaker 3: Hopkins he's definitely in the decline phase of his career.

655
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: I think you mentioned maybe he's aware of that, that's

656
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 3: why he started popping pds. But yeah, I think just

657
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: Hopkins is still, you know, an elite talent. So having

658
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: a guy like that around will make everybody else around

659
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: him better. So that's that's why I can't wait for

660
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,479
Speaker 3: Hopkins to return, because I still believe in a guy

661
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: like ron Dell Moore.

662
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would.

663
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 3: Drapt him in fantasy, but certainly having a gadget player

664
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: like that can, you know, help Kyler Kyler long term.

665
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: So I just like the way this offense is setting up.

666
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, the first six weeks, it's gonna be a

667
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 3: little bit tougher, but he has enough talent there to survive.

668
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: And I even mention it. But AJ Green is still there,

669
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: I guess.

670
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, he's still stand. You said, you said

671
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 3: he's not standing. He's standing, but it might be more

672
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 3: of a lean. But six weeks, maybe we can squeeze

673
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: something out of a J.

674
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Speaker 1: Green. Uh, and then he won't be needed as much.

675
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: But like I said, they just have a ton of

676
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: talent there even without Hopkins, So I think he should

677
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: be okay the first six six weeks.

678
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: I think I had a dream that AJ Green did

679
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: not make this rastering, But I don't know. I just don't.

680
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: For some reason in my head, AJ Green'.

681
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: Is just not on the team.

682
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 4: But I will say this, like, you know, he already

683
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: gave kind of the pros for Kyler Murray, so I'll

684
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 4: give the cons so we can just arbitray our way

685
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 4: to Jared Goff.

686
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: Wow, but no, I mean I just got to knock

687
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: down all these quarterbacks, you know, so he could.

688
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: I know, like Daniel Jones, Yeah, yeah, joking, I did

689
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: just draft Daniel Jones.

690
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 4: And on basketball, team at like four am, and I

691
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 4: was pretty happy about it. I got Yeah Jones and

692
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 4: Justin Fields. But with that said, last year Kyer Murray

693
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 4: in his in the games without DeAndre Hopkins, his passing

694
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 4: yards per game dropped from two seventy eight to two

695
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 4: fifty one. His passing touchdowns per game dropped from two

696
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 4: per game to one point twenty five per game. His

697
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 4: yards per attempt dropped from eight point one to six

698
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 4: point zero. Uh So, pretty big drop off there. And

699
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 4: then if you just look back, you know Howra's started

700
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen. Hopkins came in twenty twenty, so he

701
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 4: has about a pretty equal sample of playing with Hopkins

702
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 4: and without. If you look at his rookie year and

703
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: then the time you missed last year, twenty six games

704
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 4: with Hopkins, he averages two hundred and sixty passing yards

705
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 4: per game, one point eight touchdowns, and seven point six

706
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 4: yards per time. In twenty games without Hopkins, those dropped

707
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 4: to just two hundred and thirty six yards per game,

708
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 4: one point three passing touchdowns per game, and six point

709
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 4: eight yards per a temp.

710
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: So there is a pretty.

711
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 4: Massive dropoff with and without Hopkins. And I know, yes

712
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 4: they got Marquis Brown to kind of well some of that.

713
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 4: But remember Marku's Brown is really replacing in Christian Kirk,

714
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 4: who played extremely well and has been there all of

715
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 4: Hiwa's time and played really well last year. So like,

716
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 4: I do think there is gonna be some drop off

717
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 4: in Kiwa's numbers, especially for those first six weeks. I

718
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 4: don't think it's gonna be enough to like knock him

719
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 4: out of that top eight or anything like that. But

720
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 4: you know, just in terms of like we talked about

721
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 4: with Josh Allen, I think you really want everything to

722
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 4: be in place to spend the pick this high on quarterback.

723
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 4: So like if I could start poking holes in these

724
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 4: guys at the top, and then there's players like a

725
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 4: Jayalen Hurts, like you keep mentioning who I love as

726
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 4: well going a little bit later with a similar profile,

727
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 4: I think that's how you kind of have to build

728
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 4: your draft plan around. Okay, you know, in an ideal scenario,

729
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: while I respect Josh all and I respect Lamar, I

730
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 4: respect Kyler, I can get a Jalen Hurts if I

731
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: miss on a Jalen Hurts, I can get it Trey

732
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 4: Lance if I miss on Trey Lance Hey, it's not the.

733
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: End of the world.

734
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 4: Like I can still get a justin Fields. I can

735
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 4: you know, if I if I could punt it completely

736
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 4: and just stream it. And you mentioned you usually get

737
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 4: like QB eight, you know, on average streaming for full season.

738
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 4: So it's like once you get you know, once you

739
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 4: drop a little past Kyler, now you're almost at that

740
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 4: streaming level where if things don't go right. So it's just,

741
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 4: you know, it's one of those things where nothing against Kyler.

742
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 4: Necessarily accept the fact that I do think his passing

743
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 4: numbers will struggle. I mean, I don't love the fact

744
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 4: that he just got paid and that he we just

745
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 4: found out he doesn't watch. I'm like, I don't not

746
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: my favorite piece of information. If I'm drapping a quarterback. Wow,

747
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 4: I will say that as well.

748
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's kind of how you just you

749
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: have to look at the players that you're passing up

750
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: that are going around Kyler Murray and you have guys

751
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 3: like I'm on Ralse Nate Brown, AJ Dillon who I love.

752
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: So you're just passing up players in that range that

753
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 3: I would like to build my team around. Where's Jalen Hurts.

754
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: You have guys like I know you like him, but

755
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 3: Clyde Edwards Hilaire, I don't like Miles Sanders not I.

756
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: Just bet I just spend like cops episode betting their unders.

757
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: I would much rather have voiced I would much rather

758
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: have like an Aj Dillon and Jalen Hurts than I

759
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 3: would Miles Sanders and Kyler Murraley. So you just have

760
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: to factor in the guys that you're passing up also

761
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: when you're taking these quarterbacks.

762
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: Pretty early, all right.

763
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, I think you know, the big question for

764
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 4: me is can you be consistent? Because it was like

765
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 4: half the time or not half the time, but he's

766
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 4: like throwing for four hundred yards, but other times it's like,

767
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 4: you know, a quiet two seventy, So you know, what

768
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 4: do you what do you think as far as his consistency,

769
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 4: because he's now kind of broken into these like he's

770
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 4: the guy that we're taking if we don't get one

771
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 4: of these premier mobile quarterbacks, or at least that the

772
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 4: market is taking. I right right when I have jaymen

773
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 4: Hurt's QB six, I think you do as well. But

774
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow is the QB six across the land. So

775
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 4: what do you think is consistency.

776
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: I think he can be consistent.

777
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: I think having you know, or really the most improved

778
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: offensive line heading into the season should absolutely help with

779
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 3: that consistency. And you know, towards the end of last year,

780
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: you said, you know, he was throwing three hundred four hundred.

781
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: He was doing that every game towards the end of

782
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 3: last season, I mean almost every metric starting in Week sixteen.

783
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 3: I think it was heading into the playoffs, he was

784
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: the number one quarterback and almost every metric I was

785
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: looking at. That's why I was backing the Bengals all

786
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: the way through the playoff. So I think he has

787
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: definitely turned the corner and he's established himself as one

788
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 3: of the elite quarterbacks in the league already. So I

789
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: think that we're going to see more consistency this year.

790
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: He's you know, he has one of the best wide

791
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 3: receiver trios in the game. And I think Hayden Hurst,

792
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: I think he could be an upgrade over c j Uzoma.

793
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 3: We have to remember Hurst was a first round talent.

794
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 3: He was almost he was non existent last year because

795
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 3: he was backing up a generational talent in Kyle Pitts.

796
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 3: So I just love this surrounding talent around Burrow. That's why, Yeah,

797
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: I agree, I'm probably not drafting him TOB six. That's

798
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 3: where I'm taking Jalen hurt But like, I think the

799
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: way you invest in Joe Burrow is through the pass catchers.

800
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 3: So I'm all about, you know, drafting Jamar Chase T

801
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 3: Higgins obviously, Tyler Boyd later on, and then Hayden Hurst

802
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 3: in you know, deeper league. So I think you still

803
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 3: want to invest in Burrow, but not you know, by

804
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 3: taking him early in the draft of QB six.

805
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like that's like I feel like Joe Burrow is

806
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 4: at that top tier of you know, after you get

807
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 4: past the the mobile quarterbacks.

808
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 2: But you know, we can still get Jalen Hurts.

809
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: We can.

810
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 4: There's still Trey Lance, even now that we have a

811
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 4: little more clarity of Kyle Shanahan straight up saying like this.

812
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: Is his scene.

813
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 4: This is like you know, Jimmy g Is, he's speaking

814
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 4: out about him in past tense, which is pretty savage.

815
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 4: So yeah, so like Burrows still at that top of that,

816
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 4: Like I think it's fair to take him over Dak Prescott,

817
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 4: who's the QB seven and ADP going sixty fifth overall.

818
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 4: But and but I just don't I don't really see

819
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 4: taking him over hurts necessary just because I think you

820
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 4: do want that mobile ability. And now you can even

821
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 4: make an argument for Trey Lance. It's just that we

822
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 4: haven't seen them, but you know, haven't seen him do

823
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 4: it for a season.

824
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: You could also get Chris La.

825
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 2: That's the point. That's my point.

826
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 4: But I mean, even even in just raw rankings, like

827
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 4: if you want to put you know, a little projection,

828
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 4: it doesn't take much for these guys that are gonna run,

829
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 4: you know, to kind of surpass some of these guys

830
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 4: that aren't really running a lot, That is what I'm

831
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 4: trying to say, But they're I think Burrow deserves to

832
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: go over Prescott, and the season one props kind of

833
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 4: bear that out. Burrows at forty four to fifty with

834
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 4: thirty four and a half touchdowns, Prescott forty three fifty

835
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 4: with thirty one and a half touchdowns.

836
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 2: And I do have a little bit of a split

837
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: there too. But Dak is the QB seven.

838
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 4: I think, especially with this Julio Jones news, I would

839
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 4: I would put Brady above Dak at this point.

840
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: What do you but what do you, you know, thinking

841
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 2: of Dak.

842
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 4: This year, he lost Cooper, lost Wilson, We'll see what's

843
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 4: up with Gallup. They do have Jalen Tolbert coming in

844
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 4: as a rookie, but what are your thoughts on Prescott?

845
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I already had Brady ahead of Dak, So

846
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: the Julio Jones is nice, but you know, Brady's already

847
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: ahead of him, and saying there with Dylan Hurts, So

848
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be taking Dak with either Hurts or

849
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: Brady on the board, which is most draft So I

850
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: think losing Mary Cooper definitely hurts. This is sort of

851
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: the downfall of that you know, awful contract. They signed

852
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: Zeke two and you know Michael he might miss week one.

853
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 3: We don't know yet, so you know, being without Cooper

854
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 3: or Gallup week one is gonna sting a bit either way.

855
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: You know, this this offense should be still one of

856
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 3: the top in the NFL, and you know Dak will

857
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 3: still you know, he's probably a lot to be a

858
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: top ten quarterback, but still, I just don't see the

859
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: reason to draft him this high, especially since ever since

860
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: his you know, uh season ending injury in twenty twenty.

861
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: He's definitely lost that rushing upside that you know, I

862
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: used to like that he had. You know, we can

863
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 3: count on him to get four to five rushing touchdowns

864
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 3: of the season.

865
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: I think that's gone.

866
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 3: I don't think we're gonna see that version of Dak again.

867
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: So he does lack that ceiling, and not having Cooper

868
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 3: there will certainly hurt. But I'm excited to see Ceedee

869
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: Lamb be the unquestioned number one target in this offense,

870
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: so that's gonna help a bit. But yeah, just you

871
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: can't lose a guy like Amari Cooper and you know,

872
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: be able to replace him. So I think, you know,

873
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 3: Dak's ceiling definitely takes a hit from that.

874
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, career low three point zero attempts per game, rushing,

875
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 4: row nine point one yards per game rushing, career low

876
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 4: three point zero yards per attempt rushing, and career low

877
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 4: one rushing touchdown in sixteen games started with Dallas last year.

878
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: So that's yeah, that's a little bit of an issue.

879
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 4: That's why you know, Dak was still still great quarterback,

880
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 4: but fair to expect a little bit of regression without

881
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 4: without Cooper, without potentially gallop, you know, integrating a rookie

882
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 4: who's not as talented as like Seede Lamb obviously, though

883
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 4: I do like Tobert. I think I think that's a

884
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 4: sweeper pick if in your fasketball weeks, Okay, Jalen Hurts,

885
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 4: this is now, we're now, we're here, this is what

886
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 4: the podcast is about. I mean you mentioned guys with

887
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 4: QB went overall upside. Uh, Jalen Hurts, I think he

888
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 4: has it. I mean it would probably take an injury

889
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 4: or two at the top there, but certainly profile wise,

890
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 4: he's got it.

891
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: And then now he's got a J.

892
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:00,959
Speaker 1: Brown.

893
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 2: So I mean that the volume was going to go

894
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: because like that's what I did.

895
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 4: I think.

896
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know about you, but when I

897
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: saw that a J. Brown acquisition, I was like.

898
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 4: Okay, like they're going to be a little bit more

899
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 4: pass heavy now, Like is that kind of the thought

900
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 4: you had too?

901
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

902
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think that's definitely a sign. If it's not,

903
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 3: then I don't know what they're doing. But either way,

904
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 3: you know it's going to help hurt efficiency tremendously. Look

905
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 3: what happened with Frian Tannehill when he got AJ Brown.

906
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: So I just love it.

907
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 3: And I remember we were poking holes in Kyler Murray.

908
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: I still love Kyler Murray in the top five, but

909
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 3: we can poke holes in his fantasy value.

910
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: I can't do it Jail here.

911
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 3: There's nothing about him that I can poke holes about

912
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: other than the occasional bad past, but we don't care

913
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,479
Speaker 3: about that in fantasy. Last year without a j Brown,

914
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 3: he finished as a top twelve quarterback seventy three percent

915
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 3: of his starts, which is the highest rate of all quarterbacks.

916
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 3: And that's before he gets aj Brown. So the ceiling

917
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 3: for him is massive. You mentioned, you know, he has

918
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 3: QB one overall upside. I think if we were setting

919
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: a market on you know, who will finish as QB one,

920
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 3: the favorite would obviously be Josh Allen and number two

921
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: has to be Jailing Hurts. You know, Mahomes Herbert, especially

922
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 3: Lamar Tyler, they probably have a higher floor, like they're

923
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: more likely to finish top five than Hurts. But Hurts

924
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: definitely has the highest ceiling out of those guys. So,

925
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: you know, I love the fact that you can potentially

926
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 3: get the QB one overall at what QB eight I

927
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: think he's going right now. It's just it's too good

928
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: to pass up. And by getting him QB eight. At

929
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: that point in the draft, that's when your your roster

930
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 3: is starting to get established. You probably have a couple

931
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: of running backs, a couple receivers. Like I love the

932
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 3: roster construction that I get when I target Hurts around

933
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: QB eight.

934
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we clear like because we want these episodes

935
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 4: to kind of, you know, be able to carry people,

936
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 4: especially at quarterback, you know, through through draft season and

937
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 4: so like even if he was QB six, like you know,

938
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 4: eighty p he kind of sharpened up a little bit,

939
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 4: like you would have no problem with him at QB six, right,

940
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 4: Oh no, yeah, no, I.

941
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: Would take him like in a vacuum. I would take

942
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: him QB three or four in a vacuum. But the

943
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 3: fact that you don't have to, that's why I wait

944
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 3: until around QB six. You can usually tell when it's

945
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 3: time to take Jalen Hurts. And we've talked about AJ Brown,

946
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: but we have to remember DeVante Smith is entering your two.

947
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be amazing as a complimentary receiver. Yeah,

948
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 3: and then we don't have I love Zach Hurtz, but

949
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: I like Dallas Godd even more so. Just having Dallas

950
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 3: Carter as the Week one starting tight end, I think

951
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: also helps Hurts upside. So just I love the talent

952
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: around Hurts and yeah he's not the best passing quarterback,

953
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 3: but he just has that massive rushing upside that will

954
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: go with I think and improved you know, supporting cast

955
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: the sky's limit for him.

956
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 4: And just so to put it into context with some numbers,

957
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 4: because you know, I think most people would say, Okay,

958
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson QB four, he has that QB one overall upside, right, like.

959
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: If you just look at yeah, get oh sorry, I

960
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: mean over over Hurts though, no, no, this is.

961
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: What I'm getting at.

962
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say.

963
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say, you know, most people the market put

964
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 4: Samar Jackson at QB four, right, Yeah, Damon Hurts in

965
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 4: the in the season long prop market, which I think

966
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: similar to our projections as well. But Dalon Hurts same

967
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 4: number of passing yards, same number of total touchdowns, with

968
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 4: more rushing, so actually more points than Fantasy projected for

969
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts with his touchdowns than Lamar.

970
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: The only different res fewer interceptions.

971
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 4: The only difference is Lamar has about one hundred and

972
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 4: seventy five projective rushing yards more so.

973
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: It is about a point per game.

974
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 4: But remember Hurts, his average is you know, his props

975
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 4: would suggest kind of more points throughout the other aspects.

976
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: So there's really no difference, is what I'm.

977
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 4: Trying to say, between Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts, just

978
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 4: in terms of the projections. Now, and you and most

979
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 4: people would argue that Lamar Jackson at QB four has

980
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 4: that QB one upside.

981
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying, is like, why not Jalen Hurts.

982
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 2: It's not really a difference.

983
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 3: You're preaching of the choir here, and I will say

984
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: Hurts has two more projected rushing touchdowns, which are more valuable.

985
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

986
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Lamar.

987
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: Jackson six now rush touchdowns is too hot. It's too

988
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 3: damn high, right, Yeah, you attacked the under So I'm

989
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: just saying the six and a half projected touchdowns for

990
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: Lamar on the ground is too high. It should be closer,

991
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 3: you know, five, five and.

992
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: A half exactly.

993
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's that's why we like Jaymon Hurts here,

994
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 4: and that's why this is where we're starting to get into,

995
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 4: you know, if we're not gonna completely put the quarterback position.

996
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: I think this is the sweet spot.

997
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 4: It's like once you start going to QB eight, Jalen Hurts,

998
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 4: QB nine, Tom Brady love him. I mean, I like

999
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 4: I would say this like it went through little shaky

1000
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 4: when Gronk retired and Godwin, you know, we didn't know

1001
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 4: if he was going to be ready. Now all of

1002
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 4: a sudden, it's likely because like Russell Gage, like can

1003
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 4: can can kind of fill in in terms of like

1004
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 4: he's not Gronk, but he can still get like, you know,

1005
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 4: three four catches a game, which is what kind of

1006
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 4: what Bronk was doing. Now you have Julio Jones in

1007
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 4: that third spot, who like it's like you're really all

1008
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 4: you're gonna do is maybe create a more wide open

1009
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 4: offense where there's even less tight ends on the field,

1010
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 4: which which is which means Brady's yards for completion to

1011
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 4: go up. So like I'm I'm right back on the

1012
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 4: Brady train. I think I think you can make an

1013
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 4: argument for him over Joe Burrow as well. Definitely over

1014
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 4: he should be going over dat. I think Barnow he

1015
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 4: should be going over Dack. You can make an argument

1016
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 4: that he should be going over Burrow. I mean, the

1017
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 4: volume should still be there, the offense could be even

1018
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 4: more wide open, and he already beat out Burrow last year.

1019
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 4: You know, it's like, so getting Brady at QB nine

1020
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 4: if Hurts is off the board, like that's the one

1021
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 4: pocket passer that I still would legitimately be excited to

1022
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: get where he's going, you know, potential MVP candidate, even

1023
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 4: at at age forty five. So I'm loving me some

1024
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 4: Tom Brady with the Julio Jones edition.

1025
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it sounds it sounds promising that Chris Godwin

1026
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 3: might be ready for Week one. That that was a

1027
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 3: concern that I had too. So a lot of good

1028
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: news for Brady. The only the hidden concern that I

1029
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 3: have is Aliamar Pett retired, so the offensive line might be,

1030
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: you know, not as good as last year.

1031
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: People might overlook that a bit. But either way that

1032
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: the Julio audition was great.

1033
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 3: Although I'm not gonna lie, he did look you know

1034
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: a little bit washed last year, so I just gotta.

1035
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: Throw that out there.

1036
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 3: But I think just being you know, the number three

1037
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 3: or number four stifer on a team, definitely a Jones

1038
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 3: as the number three or number four is massive. So

1039
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 3: I love the depth of receiver. I saw you made

1040
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: a tweet yesterday that the only ran four wide what

1041
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 3: like one percent of the time last year. Yeah, one

1042
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: point eight snaps. I put it in STAPs just so

1043
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 3: people can understand it a little better. Yeah, one point

1044
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: eight snaps. The league leader is Arizona close to ten

1045
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 3: snaps per game. So, I four wide is something you

1046
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 3: can't like four plus four or five. It's it's hard

1047
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 3: to do consistently in the NFL.

1048
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 4: But like there's the upside to like to get to

1049
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 4: like nine ten STAPs per game of four wide, and

1050
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 4: and and you know if they want to, and I

1051
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 4: can't imagine as long as those four top four are

1052
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 4: healthy because remember Rady like recruited Russell Gate to come here,

1053
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 4: Like this is not Russell Gate.

1054
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 3: They think highly of Russell Gate. I too, I mean

1055
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 3: especially as your number four, that he's like a he's

1056
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 3: like a quiet, mellow Antonio Brown. He's gonna get it done,

1057
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, and they you know, they lost gronk

1058
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 3: oj Howard, so probably lest two tight end sets, I

1059
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 3: would imagine, So I would love for them to run

1060
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 3: more four wide formations.

1061
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and like let's say, I will say this

1062
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: about Julio.

1063
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 4: You know, I'm usually the first guy to call out

1064
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 4: these big, big, washed old dudes at whide receiver.

1065
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think.

1066
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 4: He's quite washed. He's obviously in the decline phase. Like

1067
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 4: I think that's a better way to put it. Like

1068
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 4: his yard, his targets per route un nineteen percent last year,

1069
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 4: career low. But have you seen that man in your

1070
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 4: Tom Brady show by the Chances. Yeah, So there's one

1071
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 4: episode where they interviewed Randy Moss. This the year that

1072
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 4: they got Moss, the year they the Giants speed him

1073
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 4: in the Super Bowl and they have the near perfect season.

1074
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 4: But Randy Moss was like, yo, Like even I thought

1075
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 4: I was washed, And then I teamed up with Tom

1076
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 4: Brady was like yeah, it's like, don't don't underestimate the

1077
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 4: fact that Julio Jones is gonna be the number Like

1078
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 4: he was a number two target for Tennessee last year

1079
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 4: and A. J. Brown was in and out of the lineup,

1080
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 4: Like he's gonna be the number three in the defensive

1081
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 4: priority list on when you're defending. This is the best

1082
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 4: coverage he's ever gonna have with the best quarterback. He's

1083
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 4: ever gonna have. So like I'm not running out to

1084
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 4: draft Julio Jones, like you know, as like a wide.

1085
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: Receiver two or anything like that.

1086
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 4: But I will say, like in terms of real football

1087
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 4: and its impact on Tom Brady's efficiency, like this is

1088
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 4: this It's still a great addition. It's not quite Antonio Brown,

1089
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 4: but it's kind of It's the best case scenario in

1090
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 4: terms of the wide receivers on the market Tampa Bay

1091
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 4: could have gotten, especially when you consider like Odell is

1092
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 4: probably gonna miss half the year, if not more so, Like, yeah,

1093
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 4: I think this is Tom Brady.

1094
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: I mean, what else does a guy have to do?

1095
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: Like he never slows down. He's he'd be two last year,

1096
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 2: he still got.

1097
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 3: It at what was he turning forty five this year? Yeah,

1098
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 3: but I have seen no signs of decline in Brady.

1099
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 3: But I will say with Julio, you have to be

1100
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 3: careful because it goes pretty fast. I mean, we're aj

1101
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 3: Green is the butt of every analyst joke these days,

1102
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 3: and I mean he was, you know, elite just a

1103
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 3: few seasons ago, so.

1104
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: It can go that coming.

1105
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, you'd be fair you did.

1106
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 4: I'm just saying like, personally, I'm always like if anyone

1107
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 4: who's followed me, you know, since I kind of came

1108
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 4: into the game maybe you know, ten ten or so

1109
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 4: years ago, Like I always.

1110
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: Like it was like Andre Johnson, like all these guys,

1111
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: is like you can.

1112
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 4: Just kind of tell I just I could be wrong

1113
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 4: or Julio could just fall off really quickly this year.

1114
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 4: But I just don't see the same kind of drop

1115
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 4: off with Julio. I just I think it was more

1116
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 4: to do obviously the injuries are going to be a concern, yeah,

1117
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 4: you know, but to stay on the field, right, But

1118
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 4: I don't see like a j Green like played and

1119
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 4: was just like I just think Julio is just kind

1120
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 4: of like as long as he's in the game, getting

1121
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 4: single coverage, getting passes from Tom Brady, Like I think

1122
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 4: I think he'll be fine at least for this.

1123
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he I think he's got it in him.

1124
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1125
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: I thought I thought it was a great ad. What

1126
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 3: do you think, Kyle Rudolph, I'm not buying.

1127
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: I know this is not a tight end pop, but

1128
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: I'm not.

1129
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 3: Buying this is this is all part of toe Like

1130
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 3: I am worried about their tight end depth.

1131
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: Still, I'm not at all.

1132
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 4: I think I think Kyle Rudolf was also kind of

1133
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 4: the best case scenario they could have gotten. He's not great,

1134
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: but best guy that kind of because like they needed

1135
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 4: a blocking guy more so to replace Gronk. Like like

1136
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 4: at this stage, I think Cameron Brake's the better receiver

1137
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 4: and I'm not buying that Kyle Rudoff just is the

1138
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 4: Gronk role. And like Cameron's number two again, like I

1139
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 4: think Cameron Brakes still going to get.

1140
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 2: More routes than Kyle Rudolph.

1141
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 4: So I like it. I think you have you still

1142
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 4: Cambray red twenty red zone targets last year. They trust

1143
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 4: him in a red zone. Kyle Rudolph can catch a pass,

1144
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 4: the odd pass here or there, he's in the game,

1145
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 4: and you have four a very solid, very solid depth

1146
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 4: at receiving. And then runner Fournette proved his worth as

1147
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 4: a pass catcher last year yep as well. So I mean,

1148
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 4: and now you don't have Ronald Jones in there, so

1149
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 4: like that, you're always going to have a pass catcher

1150
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 4: on the field if you need it.

1151
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: Like, I just think I think things are set up

1152
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 2: well for.

1153
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 4: Brady once again, maybe the offensive line takes a tiny

1154
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,479
Speaker 4: step back, but not enough. Brady's just too quick getting

1155
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 4: rid of the ball. For like I did interior Aligneman's

1156
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 4: departure to ruin the offense.

1157
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 3: That is the kind of pressure that does throw Brad.

1158
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 3: It is, but yeah, I think long term it's not yeah,

1159
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 3: the world. But I'm just saying it's people are overlooking

1160
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 3: it just a little bit.

1161
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's it's like it's it's some

1162
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: it's one thing. There's a lot of good the good outways.

1163
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: I think it's.

1164
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: QB nine right now.

1165
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 3: Nine He's a fallback, right if Hurts is off the

1166
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 3: board and Brady's there, he's a backup plan.

1167
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 4: I'll take the I'll take the last, like you know,

1168
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 4: rush mobile quarterback of the top eight. And if it's

1169
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 4: a consolation prize, I'll take the guy who finishes QB two.

1170
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: Without running it all.

1171
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 4: I'll do that.

1172
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Russell Wilson jub ten.

1173
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 4: Uh. My question for you with him is you mentioned

1174
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 4: it with Dak, but are we seeing the same thing

1175
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 4: with russ career low three point one carries per game

1176
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 4: last year, career low thirteen point one rushing yards per

1177
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 4: game last year product of the injury, or are we

1178
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 4: also seeing kind of especially now that Russ has like

1179
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,959
Speaker 4: actually gotten an injury. It might have been like show

1180
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 4: shocked by that, like do we see the rushing it

1181
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 4: gone for good?

1182
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 2: Is it gone for good?

1183
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 3: Well to be, Russ had a finger injury, right, so

1184
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 3: you don't want to get yeah, yeah, I know, like yack,

1185
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 3: that was a.

1186
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 1: Career changing injury. Same thing with Burrow.

1187
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 3: I think Burrow had some sneaky rushing up side, but

1188
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 3: after he towards ACL that's pretty much gone. I don't

1189
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 3: think Russ was necessarily an injury that changes. He's just

1190
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 3: getting old, man. It sucks getting old. So now that

1191
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: he's thirty three, we typically see quarterbacks, you know, they

1192
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 3: dial it back when it comes to running the football.

1193
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 3: So I just think he'd rather just throw it than

1194
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 3: roll out and take a hit. I think that's more

1195
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 3: of a personal choice, and I would expect that to continue.

1196
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to see him have a

1197
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 3: resurgence running the ball, especially since I think that, you know,

1198
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 3: he's leaving Seattle where he had two elite pass catchers

1199
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 3: and Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf. I don't know if

1200
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 3: going to Denver is really a big upgrade for him

1201
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: at all. They certainly have more depth at receiver with Sutton, Judy,

1202
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 3: Patrick Hamler, but I don't really see this as an

1203
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 3: upgrade at all going to Denver. If anything, this is

1204
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 3: this is obviously a massive, massive upgrade for the Broncos

1205
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 3: themselves and the pass catchers, but in terms of you know,

1206
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 3: Russell's robs, it's pretty much the same as last year.

1207
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 3: I don't think we're gonna throw the ball a ton

1208
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 3: more than Seattle did. So this is more of a

1209
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 3: lateral move for Wilson where it's you know, he's elevating

1210
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 3: everybody around him, but it's just in terms of passing

1211
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 3: and rushing production, I have it relatively the same.

1212
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: As last year. How about you?

1213
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's uh, Like, it's interesting that people would think

1214
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 4: this is an upgrade where you're going to like Jerry Judy,

1215
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 4: who's been a constant disappointment, Courtland Sutton who went from

1216
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 4: like amazing, too injured to horrible in the span of

1217
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 4: like two years, and uh and Tim Patrick who's that dude?

1218
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 2: Who's that? Who's that dude?

1219
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 4: But that dude, Like, listen, I think Sutton rebounds. I

1220
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 4: think I think Judy is a good player, but you

1221
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 4: know there are there's some concerns. It's it's not you

1222
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 4: can't just take for granted that he's getting like an

1223
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 4: upgrade and supporting cast. The team is better obviously, but yeah,

1224
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 4: it is a lateral move. You know, Russell Wilson's going

1225
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 4: to Q ten. I think this is where the market

1226
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 4: kind of doesn't know what to do.

1227
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: I'll say this.

1228
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 4: I said the same thing, a similar thing in twenty

1229
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 4: eighteen and it turned out really well. It was like

1230
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 4: once the like kind of shoeings were off the board

1231
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 4: and he started getting to like I think it was

1232
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 4: like after the top eight that year, we're off the board.

1233
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 2: I was like, Patrick Mahomes needs to be the ninth one.

1234
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 4: I know we haven't seen them play all but one

1235
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 4: start at the time, but like it just needs to

1236
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 4: be Patrick Mahomes because like everyone else is just like

1237
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 4: you could make a case with Russell Wilson could be ten.

1238
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 4: You could make a case Russell Wilson could be fifteen. Like,

1239
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 4: you know, it was the same thing in twenty eighteen.

1240
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 4: I forget the names, but that's how I feel about

1241
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 4: Trey Lance at this point. It's like after Hurts and

1242
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 4: Brady are off the board. It's like, why am I

1243
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 4: not just taking a Why am I not just going

1244
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 4: with Trey Lance, who's gonna run the ball and has

1245
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 4: Debo Samuel and George Kittle, And I like, you know

1246
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 4: what I mean, Why am I kind of guess which

1247
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 4: of Russell Wilson or Matthew Stafford or Aaron Rodgers even

1248
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 4: with no receivers is gonna like popping should be that

1249
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 4: QB ten instead of taking the guy that like could

1250
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 4: finish q before in it, You know what I mean,

1251
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 4: because that's how I feel about it at this point.

1252
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 4: So like that, I'm not really excited about Russell Wilson.

1253
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 4: I don't really have too much to say about him.

1254
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 4: It's like Q ten, that's fine. The rank it's fine,

1255
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 4: maybe eleven because I would probably jump Lance ahead of

1256
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 4: everyone after Brady, But yeah.

1257
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: Nothing that.

1258
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 4: It's just, you know, like the difference between QB ten

1259
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 4: and QB like fifteen even is not is not that great,

1260
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 4: especially if like we talked about Derek Carr, he has

1261
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 4: a great year with his supporting cast, which is better

1262
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 4: than Russ's, and they're both not running. There's not going

1263
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 4: to be a massive difference there either. You know, obviously

1264
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 4: Wilson is a much more efficient quarter has been.

1265
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:39,919
Speaker 2: But that's my point.

1266
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 4: It's like that doesn't necessarily equate into a ton of

1267
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 4: more fantasy production per game. Wilson could end up in

1268
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 4: that streaming territory.

1269
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's and you made a good point there where

1270
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 3: I think at this point, yeah, I think I would

1271
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 3: draft Trail Lance, but you don't have to because he

1272
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 3: goes way later. But when it comes to just we

1273
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 3: talk about this at tight end once, like the first

1274
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 3: seven rader off the board, When you spend this much

1275
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 3: draft capital to lock in Rust Wilson, you're gonna hang

1276
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 3: on to him. Also, he's gonna be your start every week,

1277
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 3: but there's gonna be some weeks where depending on who

1278
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 3: who's on your way for where it could be like

1279
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 3: a Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins, a Tua or Austin Fields,

1280
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 3: they're gonna have weeks where they have a better matchup

1281
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 3: and they're projected higher than Russ Wilson, and you're stuck.

1282
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 3: You just have to start Russell Wilson where you could

1283
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 3: just at that point punt the QB position wait later

1284
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 3: to get a Trey Lance who actually has the upside

1285
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 3: to be projected inside the top eight, no matter what

1286
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 3: the matchup is.

1287
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: So I agree.

1288
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: I think when you get in this range, Russell Wilson,

1289
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, it's you're better off just waiting

1290
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 3: as opposed to spending up, spending enough draft capital where

1291
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 3: you're kind of like pigeonholing yourself into these guys to

1292
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 3: start every week when that might not be the best

1293
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 3: plan long term.

1294
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: Anyway.

1295
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd be and I will say this. You know,

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Speaker 2: they should have some shootouts.

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Speaker 4: I mean they're in a division with the you know,

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Speaker 4: the Raiders, Charges and Chiefs, so like they should have

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Speaker 4: some shootouts. But the Chargers still have a good d

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Speaker 4: you know. So it's like it's tough to sell Wilson

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Speaker 4: over just waiting for a guy like Trey Lance. Same

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Speaker 4: thing Matthew Stafford at QB eleven, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, it's not really much to stay with him.

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Speaker 4: I mean I think I just think he's kind of

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Speaker 4: we know what we're gonna get at him. He's gonna

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Speaker 4: be a he's gonna be pretty efficient in that in

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Speaker 4: that offensively day, but he doesn't run, and so he

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Speaker 4: could finish QB nine or ten, You can finish QB

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Speaker 4: fourteen or fifteen, and it just depends who stays healthy

1310
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Speaker 4: and who has that like kind of spiked spiked year

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Speaker 4: touchdown wise. So I mean, any any thoughts on on

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Speaker 4: Stafford beyond that, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean I have no uh, you know, really argument taking

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Speaker 3: him QB eleven other than what I just laid out.

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Speaker 3: But I think, you know, he loses Robert Woods and

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Speaker 3: Odell Beckham, but he never had both of them at

1317
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 3: the same time, and you could argue that Al Robinson

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01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 3: could be an upgrade over either one. Obviously, Robinson was

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01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 3: a huge disapointment last season. You could blame that on

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01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 3: just the Matt Naggy and the horrible offense itself. But

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Speaker 3: he's turning twenty nine this year, so he still has

1322
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 3: a year or two of upside, so he could be

1323
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 3: an upgrade either way. Stafford's an okay pick, And you know,

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Speaker 3: it kind of reminds me of when I was talking

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Speaker 3: about Tom Brady the second season in an offense after

1326
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Speaker 3: spending his entire career somewhere similar to Peyton Manning, Stafford's

1327
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 3: kind of in the same boat. You know, he has

1328
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Speaker 3: one season in this new offense center's belt this year,

1329
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 3: he's going to have even more chemistry with the players

1330
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 3: around him with the scheme, so he could have an

1331
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 3: even better season, believe or not. So I just think

1332
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are just saying he's

1333
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 3: due for aggression.

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01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: I don't know about that.

1335
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 3: Like he's more comfortable in this offense, we could see

1336
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 3: a better season. So I'm okay draft name QB eleven.

1337
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 3: That's not part of my plan necessarily, but certainly he

1338
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,439
Speaker 3: does offer a high really super high floor.

1339
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Speaker 1: QB eleven.

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01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's still just because of a non

1341
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 4: rushing production. He's still in that streamer conversation for me.

1342
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 4: And I mean JJ made a really good point, which

1343
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 4: I do think it's hard to argue he's not in

1344
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 4: line for some regression just because forty one of the

1345
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Speaker 4: rams fifty one offensive touchdowns were thrown by Stafford and

1346
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 4: that's just I mean, that's over eighty percent. That's that's

1347
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 4: really hard to sustain year over year over year. So

1348
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 4: you know, it's just again, I just wouldn't draft him

1349
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 4: over Trey Lance. And I think at this point, Aaron

1350
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 4: Rodgers I would say the same thing. QB twelve ninety

1351
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 4: third overall. Listen, love, Aaron proved proved me wrong two

1352
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 4: straight MVP years, but no DeVante Adams. That was a third,

1353
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 4: more than a third of his production was DeVante Adams,

1354
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 4: and Adams is gone. You know, Dammy Watkins may not

1355
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 4: work out. That looks like Christian Watson's already on the

1356
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 4: pup list. I mean, I am really just not digging

1357
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 4: the situation. And it just like that combined with the

1358
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 4: fact that like, you're not gonna get rushing upside and

1359
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 4: we've seen that Rodgers, yes, he's had the m v

1360
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 4: P years these last few years. That was you know,

1361
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 4: Nathaniel Hackett was there, he's gone, and the offensive coordinator

1362
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 4: Adams is gone. We've also seen Rogers have some very average,

1363
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 4: you know, pedestrian seasons and that was even with DeVante Adams.

1364
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 4: So like, I can't make the argument, you know, to

1365
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 4: draft Aaron Rodgers where he's you know, even at QB twelve, right.

1366
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 3: I just think his upsides capped and obviously losing Davante

1367
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 3: Adams kirts, but we have to remember he also lost

1368
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 3: Marquez del this scantling who's trusted, right, I mean that

1369
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 3: does wait wait, wait, wait, way he's gonna cut you off.

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Speaker 2: What trust trusted is a little strong trust, trust, trusted, trusted.

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Speaker 2: That that fluctuate.

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Speaker 4: Anyone who's watched the Packers would know that's fluctuates, like

1373
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 4: he trusts.

1374
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 3: Them well and he doesn't, and then he trusts them

1375
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 3: and then he doesn't. You can't get consistent deep. That's

1376
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 3: the whole point. When Rodgers is able to get the

1377
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 3: team to draw up sides and he just trust.

1378
01:03:59,200 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's him.

1379
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know if he's going to have that

1380
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 3: with anybody, especially if Sammy Watkins is hurt all the time.

1381
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 3: But I will say after the con Air walk into

1382
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 3: training camp, I did bump his pass x yards. Again,

1383
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 3: that's their is. He was my twelve from that walk up.

1384
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 3: But either way, we were absolutely drafting Trey Lance before him.

1385
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, so put it this way, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes,

1386
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert Lamar, Jackson, Kyler, Murray, Jalen Hurts.

1387
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 2: Those those should be I think those are the top six.

1388
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 4: Brady should be seven, Burrow should be eight, Prescott nine,

1389
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 4: and then trade and then we.

1390
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Speaker 2: Drafted Tree Lance.

1391
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Speaker 3: I have a little different order, but we have the

1392
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 3: same graateguy, right, like, well, yeah, I heard actually have

1393
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 3: Herbert Second Mahome, Jalen Hurts, Tom Brady, Trey Lance. I

1394
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 3: think those three guys, Yeah right, those are the three

1395
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 3: guys of Target.

1396
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're just we're not We're not doing We're not

1397
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 4: doing Burrow and Prescott over Hurts.

1398
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: We're not doing We're investing. We're investing in they're past catchers,

1399
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: just not them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like we're not where we different from ADP

1401
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 4: is We're not doing Burrow and Prescott over Hurst and

1402
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 4: Brady and then we're doing it.

1403
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: We're not doing it.

1404
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 4: And we're not doing Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford or Aaron

1405
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 4: Rodgers over Trey Lane.

1406
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: We're just not. It just doesn't It just doesn't.

1407
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 4: Make sense in terms of trying to win your league

1408
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,479
Speaker 4: versus just trying to go with like a name who's

1409
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 4: you're comfortable trying to finish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not trying to finish the second, we're trying

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Speaker 2: to finish. So yeah, that's that's quarterbacks. That's between this episode.

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Speaker 4: And like I said, if you have not checked out

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Speaker 4: our late Round Quarterback episode with JJ zachareson it is great.

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