Speaker 1: Oh wow, this is what uh more conspiratorial Bob Ross
Speaker 1: would call a happy accident. I can't believe it. It's
Speaker 1: October and today we are publishing our introductory ghost episode,
Speaker 1: which we named an a burst of creativity Ghost one
Speaker 1: oh one, Ghost one on one. You can go. You
Speaker 1: can eventually graduate to Ghosts one oh two that comes later.
Speaker 1: But this is the primer for all things spooky and
Speaker 1: ghost related. Well maybe not all things, but a lot
Speaker 1: of things. There's a lot in here. Uh. And what
Speaker 1: you need to know is that there is a companion
Speaker 1: set of videos on YouTube that you can watch after
Speaker 1: you listen to this, before you listen to this, whenever
Speaker 1: you want to watch them. Uh. It's YouTube dot com
Speaker 1: slash conspiracy stuff. You might want to just search the
Speaker 1: channel for ghosts and you will find it. And we
Speaker 1: we think this one holds up. You can't find it
Speaker 1: on Apple podcast. Check it out and make sure to
Speaker 1: send us your ghost stories. From UFOs to ghosts and
Speaker 1: government cover ups. History is riddled with unexplained events. You
Speaker 1: can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't
Speaker 1: want you to. Now, let's start with the story. It
Speaker 1: was a dark and stormy night, as Matt Frederick walked
Speaker 1: down to the parking deck. He heard a noise behind it. Oh,
Speaker 1: it steps or just the wind. It's just we. He
Speaker 1: continued walking, and the footsteps or the wind again. He
Speaker 1: turned and saw a figure round in the corner, a
Speaker 1: familiar figure perhaps Matt ran to the side of the corner,
Speaker 1: poked his head around to find nothing there. Hey, everybody,
Speaker 1: welcome to the show. My name is Matt and uh,
Speaker 1: what is your name again? I am Ben Okay, good, good,
Speaker 1: totally Ben Boland, not possessed by any unearthly spirit of
Speaker 1: which I am aware, one human ish and really excited
Speaker 1: to talk about today's topic, which I think. I think
Speaker 1: we'll be covering more specific cases of this in the future,
Speaker 1: but today we're just going to talk about ghosts. What
Speaker 1: is a ghost? Where can you find one? Why do
Speaker 1: so many people believe in them? Has there ever been
Speaker 1: any accepted proof or is there any way that we
Speaker 1: could explain what is perceived as a ghostly phenomenon? Now
Speaker 1: we do know the ghosts have been around since before
Speaker 1: the dawn of recorded history. Oh wait, let me stop myself.
Speaker 1: Belief in ghost has been around since that time, right,
Speaker 1: and since stories have been written down ghosts have been
Speaker 1: in those stories. Uh, like the epic of Gilgamesh, that
Speaker 1: was one of the first time ms that or was
Speaker 1: the first time that a ghost was spoken about or
Speaker 1: the spirit of the underworld or essentially the afterlife, and
Speaker 1: it was what was it the I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm saying right, but the end could do I think
Speaker 1: is the name of the ghost that Gilgamesh talks to. Um,
Speaker 1: it's kind of I don't know, it's part of the underworld.
Speaker 1: Fascinating and and just the idea that back in the
Speaker 1: day when stories were written down, and I don't even
Speaker 1: know that year, like two thousands something b c e.
Speaker 1: When it was written down, people were thinking about that,
Speaker 1: thinking about the underworld and what happens after you die? Right,
Speaker 1: And we know that this is some people will tell
Speaker 1: you that the question of an afterlife is the driving
Speaker 1: question of the human experience. You know, we've we've read
Speaker 1: a book called The Denial of Death. Let me save
Speaker 1: you some time because it's long. The thesis of this
Speaker 1: book is, UH, that every thing human beings do which
Speaker 1: is not survival oriented is essentially a distraction from the
Speaker 1: inescapable truth that everybody will die at some point. It's
Speaker 1: called fanatology, the study of death. Think of like Fanos
Speaker 1: from The Avengers think, uh yeah, and when we when
Speaker 1: we think about this, then we immediately encounter one of
Speaker 1: the more skeptical explanations for ghosts, right, And then one
Speaker 1: of those skeptical explanations would be that people want to
Speaker 1: see ghosts or we want to have evidence of an afterlife,
Speaker 1: that there's an enormous confirmation bias so that we do
Speaker 1: not have to address the idea of oblivion. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a very comforting thought that somehow, in some way, whatever
Speaker 1: I am will continue to exist after I at least
Speaker 1: my body ceases to exist once we shuffle from the
Speaker 1: mortal coy. And we know that this belief is still
Speaker 1: prevalent in the modern day, wouldn't you say, oh yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: the best statistic that I have is from two thousand five,
Speaker 1: and it comes from the article uh, how to ghost work?
Speaker 1: That's actually on how stuffworks dot com and it's it's
Speaker 1: a gallop pole that stated, I think it was thirty
Speaker 1: two of the respondents believe in ghosts, like straight up
Speaker 1: believe in ghosts, and then another nineteen percent said, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure, And then I think it was
Speaker 1: a percent said no, no, man, all right, so forty
Speaker 1: basically Jonathan Strict late, Yeah, yeah, And I think, well,
Speaker 1: is it too early to ask where you would lie
Speaker 1: in there? Should we? Should we cover that later? Um?
Speaker 1: You know what we can. I think it will be nuanced.
Speaker 1: So let's get to those a little bit later, if
Speaker 1: that's okay, because there there are a couple of things
Speaker 1: we can explore here. Those statistics are fascinating because that
Speaker 1: means that just a little bit less than a third
Speaker 1: of the people pulled said absolutely yes, ghost are real.
Speaker 1: You know, don't turn off the lights and say bloody Mary,
Speaker 1: because do you know you just don't know? Don't poke
Speaker 1: a ethereal Hornet's nest. Well, yeah, it's oh man. I
Speaker 1: can definitely say I've been there in my life where
Speaker 1: I've really truly believed in ghosts when I was a
Speaker 1: bit younger. I'm not going to talk about this right now.
Speaker 1: It's just trying to identify with someone who would who
Speaker 1: would say, yes, I believe in ghosts, And I wonder
Speaker 1: if it has anything to do with belief in spiritual
Speaker 1: afterlife like religious belief. Interesting, So what's the correlation? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would like, I'd like to see those numbers, and
Speaker 1: I I didn't. I couldn't find a great poll that
Speaker 1: was comparing the two. Yeah, it's very tough to find
Speaker 1: an accurate way of measuring this stuff because you know,
Speaker 1: of course, somebody's spirituality, whether or not it's tied into
Speaker 1: their beliefs in ghost or paranormal phenomenon. That belief in
Speaker 1: that which we believe, will always be a very personal thing.
Speaker 1: So it's tough to get an objective measurement of someone's
Speaker 1: subjective feelings. Even or even our ghost pole is just
Speaker 1: ranking the people who openly identified as yes, believing in
Speaker 1: ghosts or not, and we don't really know their motivations.
Speaker 1: We'd like to think their motivation was telling the truth.
Speaker 1: But I was thinking about this mat It's completely possible
Speaker 1: that ninetent of the people said I don't know, just
Speaker 1: in case. And then it's also possible that the people
Speaker 1: who said there were no ghosts were, you know, terrified
Speaker 1: that if they admit it, somebody's gonna look at this
Speaker 1: pole and they're gonna know, I believe in ghosts, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: or something like that. And we we covered the afterlife
Speaker 1: and a couple of other ghostly topics in our video
Speaker 1: series a while back, right, Yeah, we did. We we
Speaker 1: talked about ghosts in the law I think was one
Speaker 1: of them and what was the other one? Ghosts? We
Speaker 1: talked about out ghosts along. We talked about whether or
Speaker 1: not there was an afterlife and various people believe in
Speaker 1: life after death, yes, and what happens to the brain
Speaker 1: at the moment of death. And well, let's let's go
Speaker 1: a little wide wide here at the end. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: just talk about what exactly what do you call like
Speaker 1: what happened? So? And then I say, let's talk about
Speaker 1: what happens for me to say if I experienced something.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I think I saw a ghost. Okay, so
Speaker 1: this is really high level stuff, so bear with me here.
Speaker 1: But but it's anything from shadows to cold to flickering lights,
Speaker 1: shapes and pictures like the orbs that you've heard about.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Um, let's see the There's even sleep paralysis
Speaker 1: or something called hypogogic trance, which was really interesting to me. Um.
Speaker 1: These are all the different ways you would experience a ghost,
Speaker 1: and several of them are easily explainable, But when you
Speaker 1: get down to it, uh, couple of these things are
Speaker 1: happening in your brain. Well, it's all happening in your brain, right,
Speaker 1: But a lot of it just comes down to your
Speaker 1: perception and the way your brain takes in stimuli. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And another one we should mention before people start writing
Speaker 1: the emails is e V P or the voice phenomenon. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a great point, man, when we
Speaker 1: talk about the sensory information, how our brains interpret that.
Speaker 1: Because I have a proposition for the ghost stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: we we have a couple of options here, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to make I'm going to make three options, and
Speaker 1: I want to see if you think if these can
Speaker 1: cover our basis on the possibility of ghosts. Are you ready?
Speaker 1: All right? Number one and the least exciting, it's all
Speaker 1: b s. There is no ghostly afterlife, or if there
Speaker 1: is an afterlife, there's no way that people are returning
Speaker 1: or leaving residue behind. And everything from Gilgamesh to now
Speaker 1: is uh wish we'll thinking or confirmation bias. That's one uh,
Speaker 1: and that would be the most skeptical. Second, there's the
Speaker 1: other idea, the other side of the spectrum. Ghost are real.
Speaker 1: Ghosts are real? There with us now because there is
Speaker 1: some sort of sensory barrier between the living and the dead. Uh,
Speaker 1: their their perception problems or something. Um. But then in
Speaker 1: that idea, ghosts would most definitely be real and we
Speaker 1: simply don't have the means for most people to encounter them.
Speaker 1: Third option. The third option is a little bit science fiction.
Speaker 1: E ready. It's the idea that ghosts, or what we
Speaker 1: perceive to be ghost may actually be symptomatic of another
Speaker 1: scientific phenomenon that we have yet to understand. And this
Speaker 1: would mean, for example, that maybe electro magnetic abnormalities in
Speaker 1: an environment trigger sensations, you know, so they trigger that
Speaker 1: sensation of maybe it's like nausea, or your your skin
Speaker 1: is tingling, you feel like someone just stepped over your
Speaker 1: grave in the future. Uh. Now, clearly, out of those three, um,
Speaker 1: my money would be on number three, because we do
Speaker 1: have proof that what has been perceived as a paranormal
Speaker 1: phenomenon before has been later found to be um some
Speaker 1: sort of clear some sort of clearly explicable scientific phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Now I don't think that that makes this idea any
Speaker 1: less ghostly or any any less important. That's interesting. Then
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's another like a fourth one, Yeah,
Speaker 1: some kind of temporal distortion or uh time continuing problem
Speaker 1: that causes it to occur, which may fall into the
Speaker 1: third category, I suppose. But yeah, that's great, And that
Speaker 1: third one is really broad. They're all broad categories because
Speaker 1: essentially you've got number one, no such thing. Number two, yes,
Speaker 1: straight out of a horror movie, coming like through your
Speaker 1: eyes on the anniversary of their strangling or something. And
Speaker 1: the third one, we've got everything that could be you know,
Speaker 1: science we don't understand. So these are broad categories. And
Speaker 1: I love that you mentioned the temporal distortion because since
Speaker 1: we don't have any any devices that have successfully defined
Speaker 1: or observed a non corporeal entity, which is really what
Speaker 1: we're talking about, then we have to we have to
Speaker 1: relegate ourselves at this point to a few philosophical things
Speaker 1: that that are very important. And one of one of
Speaker 1: these things I think is hugely important. They often gets
Speaker 1: ignored when we talk about the possibility of ghosts. When
Speaker 1: I said we, I mean, you know, society at large.
Speaker 1: One thing we we ignore consistently is that the nature
Speaker 1: of consciousness is still unexplained thousands of years. You know,
Speaker 1: we've had the smartest people in human history trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what makes something aware or self aware, you know,
Speaker 1: and we've we've covered this, but one one thing that's
Speaker 1: inherent to that idea, that inexplicable idea, is that the
Speaker 1: more we try to define and explore and sort of
Speaker 1: demarcate the boundaries of consciousness, uh, the more difficult the
Speaker 1: problem becomes. We're you know, I think we said in
Speaker 1: an earlier podcast, you know, I talked about how we're
Speaker 1: still kind of in the dark age, just like future
Speaker 1: historians are gonna look back and laugh at maybe laugh
Speaker 1: at us not being able to find the souls of
Speaker 1: the dead for so long. But the idea, the the
Speaker 1: idea of for instance, uh, quantum entanglement, right become became
Speaker 1: sort of pop si and it was like popular science fiction.
Speaker 1: So people would throw it around in a very BuzzFeed
Speaker 1: way at deja vu because I have quantum entanglements somehow
Speaker 1: or um, you know, they would they would sort of
Speaker 1: misuse or gloss over the idea. But it still is
Speaker 1: possible that there are there, there are things that we
Speaker 1: have yet to adequately describe about consciousness, about the nature
Speaker 1: of time and space itself. So is it possible then
Speaker 1: if if we were to go back and just make
Speaker 1: this purely a thought exercise, would we would we say
Speaker 1: that when a person dies, a corpse is left behind. Right,
Speaker 1: that's a physical residue of their existence. Right, So when
Speaker 1: their brain stops firing electricity and the whole crazy train
Speaker 1: network that is the human mind finally stops, is there
Speaker 1: a non physical residue left behind? I think it's a
Speaker 1: very interesting question. And I hate to sound like I'm
Speaker 1: himming or haying, but it's such an interesting question that
Speaker 1: it stops me from saying that something like a ghost
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. You know. Yeah, it's a scary thought that
Speaker 1: there's nothing afterwards, and it's kind of the I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a weird thing because it becomes the crux
Speaker 1: of your belief and everything else that one belief. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all your eggs in one basket. Huh. So all right, well,
Speaker 1: I guess we're here then, So we're at this point.
Speaker 1: So you're in the I don't know category officially, if
Speaker 1: you had to, if you had to fund to that pool,
Speaker 1: I I you know, if I had to, if I
Speaker 1: had to respond to the poll, what I would say, Man,
Speaker 1: you don't get to say anything, you get to choose one. Huh. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: who am I in that? Thirty two, that nineteen or
Speaker 1: the other. I think I'm gonna have to go with
Speaker 1: the And I hate to, I hate to do this,
Speaker 1: but there's just not enough evidence. There's there's not enough
Speaker 1: stuff that we can point to and replicate that proves
Speaker 1: the existence of an afterlife. Yeah, and I I have
Speaker 1: some stories about it, and I know you do too,
Speaker 1: So I'll have to ask you, what do you think,
Speaker 1: Matt in two thousand two, and prior I would have
Speaker 1: checked yes. From two thousand to until about two thousand six,
Speaker 1: I would have said no, um, And then from now,
Speaker 1: from two thousand six onward, I would say, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So your your opinion of this matter is sort of
Speaker 1: a vault. It's uh, it's linked fourth dimensionally to myself. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what happened? What happened? It was again and it's strange.
Speaker 1: And I was only speaking earlier about the correlation between
Speaker 1: spiritual belief and belief in something like a ghost or
Speaker 1: an afterlife, because it's kind of how it went with me.
Speaker 1: UM believed hardcore and the afterlife when I was a
Speaker 1: kid growing up. Then I completely threw it in the
Speaker 1: trash and decided I need to learn everything, and I
Speaker 1: don't believe in any of this. And then I kind
Speaker 1: of got to a middle ground where once you start
Speaker 1: learning enough, you realize that there's so many complexities that
Speaker 1: who the heck am I to truly believe in something
Speaker 1: as hardcore as there's something as absolute as no, there's
Speaker 1: no such thing as this. Yeah, it's absolutes are often
Speaker 1: tricky things for someone to juggle, right, because we very,
Speaker 1: very rarely live in absolutes in real life. Um. One
Speaker 1: of the only absolutes, of course, being death. Right. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop hitting that one so hard. Uh So,
Speaker 1: let's let's take it in a different direction here. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you some of the same things. It's very interesting
Speaker 1: to me to know that your spiritual evolution, if you will,
Speaker 1: or philosophical evolution, was so inextricably tied to this perception
Speaker 1: or belief or in ghosts or not in ghosts. Uh.
Speaker 1: When I was younger. When I was a younger, Tyke,
Speaker 1: I actually was an amateur ghost hunter. And you know
Speaker 1: these stories, right, So I'm just right. You wouldn't expect it,
Speaker 1: maybe you would, uh So, I had all of the
Speaker 1: tools and my infrared sensors, my E M F detectors,
Speaker 1: set up cameras and voice recorders and things like that,
Speaker 1: went to strange places, um, you know, allegedly haunted schools,
Speaker 1: abandoned hospitals, bridges with the history of murder, the whole nine.
Speaker 1: And while I had some great times, I never personally
Speaker 1: stumbled on a ghost. Now it would be, of course,
Speaker 1: cartoonishly arrogant to say, because I didn't find something a
Speaker 1: handful of times, it's not true, that's weird. By that logic.
Speaker 1: Rhinoceroses are also bs, right. But what what I did
Speaker 1: find was that, um, some of the people I was
Speaker 1: working with wanted it to be real, so much so
Speaker 1: that they would willfully mistake something for something that it wasn't.
Speaker 1: But where where my family comes from, there is a
Speaker 1: widespread traditional belief in ghosts that actually clashed with Christianity
Speaker 1: for a time. And well, you know, the idea, the
Speaker 1: idea and a lot of Chris and Cannon is that
Speaker 1: when a soul dies, it is judged and it goes
Speaker 1: somewhere else, right, like the ghost of the departed rarely
Speaker 1: hang out to nudge Yourwigia board. But um, I guess
Speaker 1: it depends on which Protestant version you ascribe yourself to. Sure,
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church is always interested me in that. Regard
Speaker 1: the idea of purgatory anyway, well we can talk about that,
Speaker 1: lay Oh yeah, yeah, Now you and I are dating
Speaker 1: ourselves because the idea of limbo or purgatory was slowly
Speaker 1: phased out. It's interesting we should talk about that in
Speaker 1: a future episode. Two one. One thing that always fascinated
Speaker 1: me was that some of the people I know who
Speaker 1: do believe in ghosts, or who did at one time,
Speaker 1: drew a sharp line between what they would say, we're
Speaker 1: ghosts uh and demons or spirits and and the idea
Speaker 1: here for anyone am familiar, is that a ghost is
Speaker 1: a human soul, right, but a demon or a spirit
Speaker 1: is from somewhere else. That idea is fascinating to me
Speaker 1: as well. I I gotta tell you the there there
Speaker 1: were a handful of experiences, none of which, oddly enough
Speaker 1: for during my ghost hunting phase, uh, that I have
Speaker 1: yet to explain or understand. Um. One of them that
Speaker 1: sticks out in my mind was that I went to
Speaker 1: the Mark Twain house in Massachusetts. So at one point
Speaker 1: in in this tour of this house, I was getting
Speaker 1: hit with waves of deja vu, which was a little
Speaker 1: bit strange for me at the time. And then I
Speaker 1: started to see these bright kind of yellowish orbs moving
Speaker 1: around the room and on the ceiling and stuff. I
Speaker 1: still haven't explained. I don't think it was a ghost necessarily.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. Maybe I had some bad
Speaker 1: lobster rolls or something. But have you considered reincarnation? Have
Speaker 1: I considered reincarnations? Perhaps you're remembering your past self. Ah,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a very interesting idea, because another another
Speaker 1: angle to the ghost thing, right is um the idea
Speaker 1: that you are somehow encountering a piece of you from
Speaker 1: somewhere else, which I think is fantastic fodder for fiction.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to interrupt. No, No, that's it. That's
Speaker 1: the story. I'm glad you you didn't interrupt. You brought
Speaker 1: it to a great girls about Peter out. That's crazy, man.
Speaker 1: Did you have any experiences that you could not explain?
Speaker 1: I haven't had anything like that. I've been searching for
Speaker 1: an experience like that in my entire life, and I
Speaker 1: will put myself in positions where I think something might
Speaker 1: happen and nothing yet, so we'll see. And another other
Speaker 1: thing that we should mention at this point is that
Speaker 1: we would love to hear your ghost stories. We want
Speaker 1: to know about the local legends of your area. We
Speaker 1: also want to know about your personal experiences right to us.
Speaker 1: Tell us a ghost story and it just might make
Speaker 1: it on the air. Yeah, and tell us where you
Speaker 1: would fall on that pole um. Definitely your stories. And
Speaker 1: if you're if you want to check out this website
Speaker 1: that we stumbled upon while we were don't do our
Speaker 1: research for this, uh it is. It's really great. You
Speaker 1: can look at pictures and you basically get to vote.
Speaker 1: It's all about voting today, but you get to vote
Speaker 1: on whether or not you think the picture is real, faked,
Speaker 1: or you're just you're not sure. It's called Science of
Speaker 1: Ghosts dot WordPress dot com and it's just pictures where
Speaker 1: you can basically look at the newest ghost pictures. Some
Speaker 1: of them are obviously fake. Just worn here right now
Speaker 1: now for everybody who hasn't already noticed this. And Matt
Speaker 1: is our go to guy for figuring out if a
Speaker 1: photo is faked. Often because you have you have the
Speaker 1: professional ability to check out the photo itself and look
Speaker 1: at it with a much more educated eye than the
Speaker 1: average guy. It is weird that I can say, yes,
Speaker 1: I can professionally check out your photos. Uh. The worst thing.
Speaker 1: The bad thing about this is that the technology and
Speaker 1: software is getting so powerful that it's becoming difficult to tell.
Speaker 1: So you're saying it's easier to make a fake photograph
Speaker 1: that looks more genuine. It is. So it's this weird thing.
Speaker 1: If you're trying to discern whether or not something is real,
Speaker 1: perhaps a UFO photograph or video or a ghost, there's
Speaker 1: there's so many things you have to bring into it,
Speaker 1: not just what the image looks like, and some of
Speaker 1: the standard things like if you're looking at the let's
Speaker 1: say the compression or something like that, it's it's you
Speaker 1: can replicate that now, I can. You can replicate it
Speaker 1: so easily, the distortion and a photograph. M It's it's
Speaker 1: pretty crazy, man. There's another question I want to ask
Speaker 1: the listeners man, which is, if you believe in ghosts,
Speaker 1: then why do you think there's been no universally accepted
Speaker 1: proof of ghost or contact from the afterlife? And I
Speaker 1: think this is a very good question. It's one that
Speaker 1: we touched on in our video part of our video
Speaker 1: series on ghost. What is the idea that there's such
Speaker 1: an anomaly here, because again, we cannot emphasize this enough.
Speaker 1: For the entirety of human history, people have believed in
Speaker 1: ghost for the entirety of human history. There has been
Speaker 1: no universally accepted Well, that's not true. Since the dawn
Speaker 1: of the scientific age, there's been no universally accepted proof
Speaker 1: of uh an afterlife. I would be very excited to
Speaker 1: learn about this um and I would also I don't
Speaker 1: you know, it's strange to think about it in such
Speaker 1: a high level situation, but if there were some universally
Speaker 1: accepted proof of ghostly activity, barring aliens met it would
Speaker 1: be the most significant innovation in the modern age. Their discovery. Rather,
Speaker 1: it's probably a better word, huh, because it's it's already there.
Speaker 1: If it's there, I don't mean to ask you have
Speaker 1: so many questions, But I was just thinking about my
Speaker 1: favorite ghost films of all time, because you know that's
Speaker 1: my other expertise, and man, I was really trying to
Speaker 1: nail down what my favorite one is, and I figured
Speaker 1: out what it is. Don't say ghost Okay, it's Gearmobile
Speaker 1: Toros that the Devil's back own. That's my favorite one.
Speaker 1: It's like, hands down my favorite ghost story. Oh, that
Speaker 1: is an amazing one. Favorite ghost story, man, I don't know, Matt,
Speaker 1: that's that's a very good question. My favorite ghost story
Speaker 1: in general or film? I would say film, but in
Speaker 1: my head and that's just a story on film. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need some time to think that way over.
Speaker 1: How about you listening? What do you think? What's your
Speaker 1: what's your all time favorite? You should let me know
Speaker 1: because I don't know. I wanna watch more ghost movies.
Speaker 1: I realized that I've only seen a handful and we
Speaker 1: may just read your recommendations on the air. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: a matter of fact. If it could well happen, man,
Speaker 1: we could have hundreds of people right in and all
Speaker 1: named the same film, in which case we might have
Speaker 1: to do a show just on that. So we're going
Speaker 1: to head out. We hope that you have enjoyed our
Speaker 1: look at some of the high points in the debate
Speaker 1: around the afterlife and the essential dilemma of ghosts. So
Speaker 1: right in, tell us what you think about your favorite
Speaker 1: ghost films or paranormal experiences and tell us if you
Speaker 1: think ghosts are real or not real and why. You
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