WEBVTT - CLASSIC: Ghosts 101 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.960 Oh wow, this is what uh more conspiratorial Bob Ross 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:08.920 would call a happy accident. I can't believe it. It's 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:15.240 October and today we are publishing our introductory ghost episode, 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:19.400 which we named an a burst of creativity Ghost one 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.119 oh one, Ghost one on one. You can go. You 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:25.160 can eventually graduate to Ghosts one oh two that comes later. 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:27.920 But this is the primer for all things spooky and 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:30.360 ghost related. Well maybe not all things, but a lot 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:33.760 of things. There's a lot in here. Uh. And what 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.400 you need to know is that there is a companion 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:40.320 set of videos on YouTube that you can watch after 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:42.360 you listen to this, before you listen to this, whenever 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.240 you want to watch them. Uh. It's YouTube dot com 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:49.199 slash conspiracy stuff. You might want to just search the 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.600 channel for ghosts and you will find it. And we 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:55.400 we think this one holds up. You can't find it 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.080 on Apple podcast. Check it out and make sure to 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:03.200 send us your ghost stories. From UFOs to ghosts and 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:07.280 government cover ups. History is riddled with unexplained events. You 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.120 can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:20.319 want you to. Now, let's start with the story. It 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.680 was a dark and stormy night, as Matt Frederick walked 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:29.880 down to the parking deck. He heard a noise behind it. Oh, 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:35.560 it steps or just the wind. It's just we. He 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:40.480 continued walking, and the footsteps or the wind again. He 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:45.040 turned and saw a figure round in the corner, a 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:50.120 familiar figure perhaps Matt ran to the side of the corner, 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:58.880 poked his head around to find nothing there. Hey, everybody, 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.520 welcome to the show. My name is Matt and uh, 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:05.440 what is your name again? I am Ben Okay, good, good, 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.960 totally Ben Boland, not possessed by any unearthly spirit of 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:14.960 which I am aware, one human ish and really excited 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:19.280 to talk about today's topic, which I think. I think 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.520 we'll be covering more specific cases of this in the future, 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:27.280 but today we're just going to talk about ghosts. What 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.600 is a ghost? Where can you find one? Why do 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.600 so many people believe in them? Has there ever been 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:37.320 any accepted proof or is there any way that we 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:41.720 could explain what is perceived as a ghostly phenomenon? Now 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.200 we do know the ghosts have been around since before 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:48.079 the dawn of recorded history. Oh wait, let me stop myself. 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.359 Belief in ghost has been around since that time, right, 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.040 and since stories have been written down ghosts have been 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:59.079 in those stories. Uh, like the epic of Gilgamesh, that 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.080 was one of the first time ms that or was 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.320 the first time that a ghost was spoken about or 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:08.080 the spirit of the underworld or essentially the afterlife, and 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:11.160 it was what was it the I don't know if 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:12.880 I'm saying right, but the end could do I think 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:18.720 is the name of the ghost that Gilgamesh talks to. Um, 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.519 it's kind of I don't know, it's part of the underworld. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.679 Fascinating and and just the idea that back in the 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.040 day when stories were written down, and I don't even 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:30.360 know that year, like two thousands something b c e. 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.840 When it was written down, people were thinking about that, 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.760 thinking about the underworld and what happens after you die? Right, 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:41.040 And we know that this is some people will tell 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:46.360 you that the question of an afterlife is the driving 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:50.680 question of the human experience. You know, we've we've read 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.960 a book called The Denial of Death. Let me save 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.880 you some time because it's long. The thesis of this 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:02.000 book is, UH, that every thing human beings do which 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:06.040 is not survival oriented is essentially a distraction from the 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:11.880 inescapable truth that everybody will die at some point. It's 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.800 called fanatology, the study of death. Think of like Fanos 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:21.320 from The Avengers think, uh yeah, and when we when 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:26.240 we think about this, then we immediately encounter one of 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:30.360 the more skeptical explanations for ghosts, right, And then one 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:36.040 of those skeptical explanations would be that people want to 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:40.120 see ghosts or we want to have evidence of an afterlife, 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:44.000 that there's an enormous confirmation bias so that we do 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:48.160 not have to address the idea of oblivion. Yeah, it's 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.520 a very comforting thought that somehow, in some way, whatever 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:55.799 I am will continue to exist after I at least 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.279 my body ceases to exist once we shuffle from the 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.960 mortal coy. And we know that this belief is still 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.760 prevalent in the modern day, wouldn't you say, oh yeah, Well, 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.160 the best statistic that I have is from two thousand five, 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.520 and it comes from the article uh, how to ghost work? 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.839 That's actually on how stuffworks dot com and it's it's 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.560 a gallop pole that stated, I think it was thirty 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:23.360 two of the respondents believe in ghosts, like straight up 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.599 believe in ghosts, and then another nineteen percent said, well, 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.080 I'm not really sure, And then I think it was 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.599 a percent said no, no, man, all right, so forty 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:38.840 basically Jonathan Strict late, Yeah, yeah, And I think, well, 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:40.920 is it too early to ask where you would lie 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.479 in there? Should we? Should we cover that later? Um? 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:47.000 You know what we can. I think it will be nuanced. 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.920 So let's get to those a little bit later, if 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.880 that's okay, because there there are a couple of things 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:58.400 we can explore here. Those statistics are fascinating because that 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.120 means that just a little bit less than a third 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:05.760 of the people pulled said absolutely yes, ghost are real. 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.680 You know, don't turn off the lights and say bloody Mary, 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:10.960 because do you know you just don't know? Don't poke 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:16.840 a ethereal Hornet's nest. Well, yeah, it's oh man. I 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:20.320 can definitely say I've been there in my life where 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.000 I've really truly believed in ghosts when I was a 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.080 bit younger. I'm not going to talk about this right now. 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.720 It's just trying to identify with someone who would who 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.080 would say, yes, I believe in ghosts, And I wonder 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.280 if it has anything to do with belief in spiritual 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:38.680 afterlife like religious belief. Interesting, So what's the correlation? Yeah, 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:40.760 I would like, I'd like to see those numbers, and 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.560 I I didn't. I couldn't find a great poll that 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.400 was comparing the two. Yeah, it's very tough to find 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.479 an accurate way of measuring this stuff because you know, 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:54.640 of course, somebody's spirituality, whether or not it's tied into 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:59.400 their beliefs in ghost or paranormal phenomenon. That belief in 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.080 that which we believe, will always be a very personal thing. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:08.599 So it's tough to get an objective measurement of someone's 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:12.640 subjective feelings. Even or even our ghost pole is just 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:16.720 ranking the people who openly identified as yes, believing in 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.000 ghosts or not, and we don't really know their motivations. 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.160 We'd like to think their motivation was telling the truth. 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.440 But I was thinking about this mat It's completely possible 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.560 that ninetent of the people said I don't know, just 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.360 in case. And then it's also possible that the people 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.600 who said there were no ghosts were, you know, terrified 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.200 that if they admit it, somebody's gonna look at this 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:41.880 pole and they're gonna know, I believe in ghosts, right, yeah, 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:47.160 or something like that. And we we covered the afterlife 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.600 and a couple of other ghostly topics in our video 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.480 series a while back, right, Yeah, we did. We we 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.920 talked about ghosts in the law I think was one 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:59.440 of them and what was the other one? Ghosts? We 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.320 talked about out ghosts along. We talked about whether or 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.760 not there was an afterlife and various people believe in 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.200 life after death, yes, and what happens to the brain 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.240 at the moment of death. And well, let's let's go 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:16.600 a little wide wide here at the end. Yeah, let's 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:20.800 just talk about what exactly what do you call like 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.880 what happened? So? And then I say, let's talk about 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.840 what happens for me to say if I experienced something. 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.000 Oh wait, I think I saw a ghost. Okay, so 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.120 this is really high level stuff, so bear with me here. 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:38.640 But but it's anything from shadows to cold to flickering lights, 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.920 shapes and pictures like the orbs that you've heard about. 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:46.840 I'm sure. Um, let's see the There's even sleep paralysis 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:53.360 or something called hypogogic trance, which was really interesting to me. Um. 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.640 These are all the different ways you would experience a ghost, 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.480 and several of them are easily explainable, But when you 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:04.960 get down to it, uh, couple of these things are 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.880 happening in your brain. Well, it's all happening in your brain, right, 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.600 But a lot of it just comes down to your 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:16.160 perception and the way your brain takes in stimuli. Right. Yeah. 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:20.280 And another one we should mention before people start writing 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:25.760 the emails is e V P or the voice phenomenon. Uh. 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.800 And I think that's a great point, man, when we 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:33.319 talk about the sensory information, how our brains interpret that. 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:38.960 Because I have a proposition for the ghost stuff. Um, 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.719 we we have a couple of options here, and I'm 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.360 going to make I'm going to make three options, and 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.880 I want to see if you think if these can 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.679 cover our basis on the possibility of ghosts. Are you ready? 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:57.680 All right? Number one and the least exciting, it's all 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.959 b s. There is no ghostly afterlife, or if there 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:06.280 is an afterlife, there's no way that people are returning 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:12.240 or leaving residue behind. And everything from Gilgamesh to now 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:17.120 is uh wish we'll thinking or confirmation bias. That's one uh, 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.720 and that would be the most skeptical. Second, there's the 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.960 other idea, the other side of the spectrum. Ghost are real. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:28.679 Ghosts are real? There with us now because there is 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:34.160 some sort of sensory barrier between the living and the dead. Uh, 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:38.200 their their perception problems or something. Um. But then in 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:42.920 that idea, ghosts would most definitely be real and we 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.800 simply don't have the means for most people to encounter them. 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:51.439 Third option. The third option is a little bit science fiction. 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:56.280 E ready. It's the idea that ghosts, or what we 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:02.520 perceive to be ghost may actually be symptomatic of another 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:07.960 scientific phenomenon that we have yet to understand. And this 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:15.000 would mean, for example, that maybe electro magnetic abnormalities in 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:19.400 an environment trigger sensations, you know, so they trigger that 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:23.160 sensation of maybe it's like nausea, or your your skin 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.200 is tingling, you feel like someone just stepped over your 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:31.800 grave in the future. Uh. Now, clearly, out of those three, um, 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:36.760 my money would be on number three, because we do 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.000 have proof that what has been perceived as a paranormal 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:45.079 phenomenon before has been later found to be um some 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:51.480 sort of clear some sort of clearly explicable scientific phenomenon. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:56.360 Now I don't think that that makes this idea any 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:02.000 less ghostly or any any less important. That's interesting. Then 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.280 I wonder if there's another like a fourth one, Yeah, 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:13.360 some kind of temporal distortion or uh time continuing problem 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.200 that causes it to occur, which may fall into the 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.320 third category, I suppose. But yeah, that's great, And that 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.320 third one is really broad. They're all broad categories because 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:26.240 essentially you've got number one, no such thing. Number two, yes, 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.800 straight out of a horror movie, coming like through your 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.439 eyes on the anniversary of their strangling or something. And 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.360 the third one, we've got everything that could be you know, 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.800 science we don't understand. So these are broad categories. And 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:43.520 I love that you mentioned the temporal distortion because since 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:49.400 we don't have any any devices that have successfully defined 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:53.560 or observed a non corporeal entity, which is really what 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:58.719 we're talking about, then we have to we have to 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:03.400 relegate ourselves at this point to a few philosophical things 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.160 that that are very important. And one of one of 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.920 these things I think is hugely important. They often gets 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.560 ignored when we talk about the possibility of ghosts. When 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:14.840 I said we, I mean, you know, society at large. 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:19.960 One thing we we ignore consistently is that the nature 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:25.360 of consciousness is still unexplained thousands of years. You know, 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:29.160 we've had the smartest people in human history trying to 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:33.520 figure out what makes something aware or self aware, you know, 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:37.000 and we've we've covered this, but one one thing that's 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:43.360 inherent to that idea, that inexplicable idea, is that the 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:48.120 more we try to define and explore and sort of 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:53.480 demarcate the boundaries of consciousness, uh, the more difficult the 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.360 problem becomes. We're you know, I think we said in 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.400 an earlier podcast, you know, I talked about how we're 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.760 still kind of in the dark age, just like future 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.520 historians are gonna look back and laugh at maybe laugh 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.240 at us not being able to find the souls of 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:10.960 the dead for so long. But the idea, the the 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:15.679 idea of for instance, uh, quantum entanglement, right become became 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.520 sort of pop si and it was like popular science fiction. 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.760 So people would throw it around in a very BuzzFeed 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.480 way at deja vu because I have quantum entanglements somehow 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.400 or um, you know, they would they would sort of 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:34.200 misuse or gloss over the idea. But it still is 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:39.160 possible that there are there, there are things that we 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:44.120 have yet to adequately describe about consciousness, about the nature 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:48.320 of time and space itself. So is it possible then 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.640 if if we were to go back and just make 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:55.320 this purely a thought exercise, would we would we say 0:14:55.360 --> 0:15:00.760 that when a person dies, a corpse is left behind. Right, 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:05.720 that's a physical residue of their existence. Right, So when 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:11.640 their brain stops firing electricity and the whole crazy train 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:16.440 network that is the human mind finally stops, is there 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.880 a non physical residue left behind? I think it's a 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:22.480 very interesting question. And I hate to sound like I'm 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:27.280 himming or haying, but it's such an interesting question that 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:31.160 it stops me from saying that something like a ghost 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.680 doesn't exist. You know. Yeah, it's a scary thought that 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:39.440 there's nothing afterwards, and it's kind of the I don't know, 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.760 it's it's a weird thing because it becomes the crux 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:45.720 of your belief and everything else that one belief. Yeah, 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:53.000 all your eggs in one basket. Huh. So all right, well, 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.000 I guess we're here then, So we're at this point. 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.520 So you're in the I don't know category officially, if 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.720 you had to, if you had to fund to that pool, 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.480 I I you know, if I had to, if I 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.800 had to respond to the poll, what I would say, Man, 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:11.200 you don't get to say anything, you get to choose one. Huh. Yeah, Okay, 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.720 who am I in that? Thirty two, that nineteen or 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.240 the other. I think I'm gonna have to go with 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.120 the And I hate to, I hate to do this, 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:25.280 but there's just not enough evidence. There's there's not enough 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.600 stuff that we can point to and replicate that proves 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:34.760 the existence of an afterlife. Yeah, and I I have 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:36.720 some stories about it, and I know you do too, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:38.320 So I'll have to ask you, what do you think, 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:43.080 Matt in two thousand two, and prior I would have 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:49.200 checked yes. From two thousand to until about two thousand six, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:54.160 I would have said no, um, And then from now, 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.400 from two thousand six onward, I would say, I don't know. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.680 So your your opinion of this matter is sort of 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:06.520 a vault. It's uh, it's linked fourth dimensionally to myself. Okay, Yeah, 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.840 what happened? What happened? It was again and it's strange. 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:13.200 And I was only speaking earlier about the correlation between 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.840 spiritual belief and belief in something like a ghost or 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.920 an afterlife, because it's kind of how it went with me. 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:25.280 UM believed hardcore and the afterlife when I was a 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.119 kid growing up. Then I completely threw it in the 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:31.080 trash and decided I need to learn everything, and I 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.080 don't believe in any of this. And then I kind 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.600 of got to a middle ground where once you start 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:40.359 learning enough, you realize that there's so many complexities that 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.399 who the heck am I to truly believe in something 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:47.480 as hardcore as there's something as absolute as no, there's 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.720 no such thing as this. Yeah, it's absolutes are often 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:56.560 tricky things for someone to juggle, right, because we very, 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:01.200 very rarely live in absolutes in real life. Um. One 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:05.280 of the only absolutes, of course, being death. Right. Okay, 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.440 I'm gonna stop hitting that one so hard. Uh So, 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:12.520 let's let's take it in a different direction here. I'll 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.040 tell you some of the same things. It's very interesting 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:19.400 to me to know that your spiritual evolution, if you will, 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:25.200 or philosophical evolution, was so inextricably tied to this perception 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:29.720 or belief or in ghosts or not in ghosts. Uh. 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:33.000 When I was younger. When I was a younger, Tyke, 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:37.439 I actually was an amateur ghost hunter. And you know 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:43.080 these stories, right, So I'm just right. You wouldn't expect it, 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:46.000 maybe you would, uh So, I had all of the 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:51.040 tools and my infrared sensors, my E M F detectors, 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:55.120 set up cameras and voice recorders and things like that, 0:18:55.280 --> 0:19:00.600 went to strange places, um, you know, allegedly haunted schools, 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:05.160 abandoned hospitals, bridges with the history of murder, the whole nine. 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:12.040 And while I had some great times, I never personally 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:15.320 stumbled on a ghost. Now it would be, of course, 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:19.439 cartoonishly arrogant to say, because I didn't find something a 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:23.960 handful of times, it's not true, that's weird. By that logic. 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:29.400 Rhinoceroses are also bs, right. But what what I did 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:33.760 find was that, um, some of the people I was 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:37.600 working with wanted it to be real, so much so 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:43.600 that they would willfully mistake something for something that it wasn't. 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:49.439 But where where my family comes from, there is a 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:55.360 widespread traditional belief in ghosts that actually clashed with Christianity 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.879 for a time. And well, you know, the idea, the 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.359 idea and a lot of Chris and Cannon is that 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:06.160 when a soul dies, it is judged and it goes 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:10.400 somewhere else, right, like the ghost of the departed rarely 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:15.920 hang out to nudge Yourwigia board. But um, I guess 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:22.480 it depends on which Protestant version you ascribe yourself to. Sure, 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.000 the Catholic Church is always interested me in that. Regard 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:28.760 the idea of purgatory anyway, well we can talk about that, 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.320 lay Oh yeah, yeah, Now you and I are dating 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.240 ourselves because the idea of limbo or purgatory was slowly 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:37.399 phased out. It's interesting we should talk about that in 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:41.280 a future episode. Two one. One thing that always fascinated 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:44.920 me was that some of the people I know who 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:47.399 do believe in ghosts, or who did at one time, 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:52.240 drew a sharp line between what they would say, we're 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:56.679 ghosts uh and demons or spirits and and the idea 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.879 here for anyone am familiar, is that a ghost is 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:05.360 a human soul, right, but a demon or a spirit 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:11.800 is from somewhere else. That idea is fascinating to me 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:16.160 as well. I I gotta tell you the there there 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.680 were a handful of experiences, none of which, oddly enough 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.480 for during my ghost hunting phase, uh, that I have 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:26.080 yet to explain or understand. Um. One of them that 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.239 sticks out in my mind was that I went to 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:35.520 the Mark Twain house in Massachusetts. So at one point 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:40.000 in in this tour of this house, I was getting 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.840 hit with waves of deja vu, which was a little 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:46.520 bit strange for me at the time. And then I 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:52.320 started to see these bright kind of yellowish orbs moving 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:55.919 around the room and on the ceiling and stuff. I 0:21:55.960 --> 0:22:00.840 still haven't explained. I don't think it was a ghost necessarily. 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.240 I don't know what happened. Maybe I had some bad 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:09.080 lobster rolls or something. But have you considered reincarnation? Have 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:14.919 I considered reincarnations? Perhaps you're remembering your past self. Ah, 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:18.919 that's a that's a very interesting idea, because another another 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:22.160 angle to the ghost thing, right is um the idea 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:27.640 that you are somehow encountering a piece of you from 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:32.080 somewhere else, which I think is fantastic fodder for fiction. 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.600 I didn't mean to interrupt. No, No, that's it. That's 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:37.320 the story. I'm glad you you didn't interrupt. You brought 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:40.640 it to a great girls about Peter out. That's crazy, man. 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:43.280 Did you have any experiences that you could not explain? 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:46.360 I haven't had anything like that. I've been searching for 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:49.840 an experience like that in my entire life, and I 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:54.480 will put myself in positions where I think something might 0:22:54.520 --> 0:23:00.160 happen and nothing yet, so we'll see. And another other 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:03.040 thing that we should mention at this point is that 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:06.920 we would love to hear your ghost stories. We want 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:10.239 to know about the local legends of your area. We 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:14.440 also want to know about your personal experiences right to us. 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:18.240 Tell us a ghost story and it just might make 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:20.560 it on the air. Yeah, and tell us where you 0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:25.320 would fall on that pole um. Definitely your stories. And 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:27.600 if you're if you want to check out this website 0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:30.360 that we stumbled upon while we were don't do our 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.320 research for this, uh it is. It's really great. You 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:36.240 can look at pictures and you basically get to vote. 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.040 It's all about voting today, but you get to vote 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.560 on whether or not you think the picture is real, faked, 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:46.679 or you're just you're not sure. It's called Science of 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:50.520 Ghosts dot WordPress dot com and it's just pictures where 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:55.919 you can basically look at the newest ghost pictures. Some 0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:58.920 of them are obviously fake. Just worn here right now 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:04.240 now for everybody who hasn't already noticed this. And Matt 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:08.199 is our go to guy for figuring out if a 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:11.480 photo is faked. Often because you have you have the 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:17.520 professional ability to check out the photo itself and look 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:19.720 at it with a much more educated eye than the 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.480 average guy. It is weird that I can say, yes, 0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:26.520 I can professionally check out your photos. Uh. The worst thing. 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.159 The bad thing about this is that the technology and 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:34.320 software is getting so powerful that it's becoming difficult to tell. 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:38.680 So you're saying it's easier to make a fake photograph 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:42.040 that looks more genuine. It is. So it's this weird thing. 0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:44.560 If you're trying to discern whether or not something is real, 0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:49.800 perhaps a UFO photograph or video or a ghost, there's 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:52.840 there's so many things you have to bring into it, 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:55.960 not just what the image looks like, and some of 0:24:56.000 --> 0:25:00.960 the standard things like if you're looking at the let's 0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:05.080 say the compression or something like that, it's it's you 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:07.879 can replicate that now, I can. You can replicate it 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:12.360 so easily, the distortion and a photograph. M It's it's 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:15.600 pretty crazy, man. There's another question I want to ask 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:20.560 the listeners man, which is, if you believe in ghosts, 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:27.200 then why do you think there's been no universally accepted 0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:31.080 proof of ghost or contact from the afterlife? And I 0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:33.040 think this is a very good question. It's one that 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:36.560 we touched on in our video part of our video 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:40.600 series on ghost. What is the idea that there's such 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:45.040 an anomaly here, because again, we cannot emphasize this enough. 0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:50.760 For the entirety of human history, people have believed in 0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:55.400 ghost for the entirety of human history. There has been 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:58.840 no universally accepted Well, that's not true. Since the dawn 0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:02.640 of the scientific age, there's been no universally accepted proof 0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:08.000 of uh an afterlife. I would be very excited to 0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:12.160 learn about this um and I would also I don't 0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:14.920 you know, it's strange to think about it in such 0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:20.080 a high level situation, but if there were some universally 0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:25.840 accepted proof of ghostly activity, barring aliens met it would 0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:33.359 be the most significant innovation in the modern age. Their discovery. Rather, 0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:36.600