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Speaker 1: October and today we are publishing our introductory ghost episode,

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Speaker 1: But this is the primer for all things spooky and

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Speaker 1: channel for ghosts and you will find it. And we

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Speaker 1: send us your ghost stories. From UFOs to ghosts and

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Speaker 1: government cover ups. History is riddled with unexplained events. You

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Speaker 1: was a dark and stormy night, as Matt Frederick walked

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