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Speaker 2: Stay tuned.

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Speaker 3: We'll get into my conversation with Tammy Roman right after

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Speaker 3: you've quick ass Welcome to Reality with the King. It's

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Speaker 3: me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and one

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Speaker 3: of the most sought after executive producers in reality television

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Speaker 3: with over ten years of production experience. Twice a week

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Speaker 3: on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with my

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Speaker 2: Hey, rain Drops.

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Speaker 3: Today's guests on Reality with the King is someone I

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about my friend, the living legend, honey, the icon,

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Speaker 3: Tammy Roman.

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Speaker 2: We talk about.

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Speaker 3: Tammy's legendary career in scripted and unscripted television, dating all

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Speaker 3: the way back from her appearance are married with children.

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Speaker 2: Yes, my Girls and actress Honey.

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Speaker 3: We also talk about Basketball wives, as she spilled some

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Speaker 3: your legendary career. Because what I can say because I'm

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, I'm dating myself.

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Speaker 2: So Tammy. I was watching Married.

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Speaker 3: With Children as a little gay boy in Detroit, Michigan,

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Speaker 3: and Tammy had this scene. She had this beautiful Tammy,

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Speaker 3: do you remember that that t bos wig you wore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that was my real hair back then. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: And that was my first introduction into Tammy Roman. So

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, Well I always thought I would be

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Speaker 1: So I started getting all these auditions. I'm high key talented.

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Speaker 3: My first introduction into reality television was The Real World. Yes,

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Speaker 3: But I don't know anybody, Tammy that has the career

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Speaker 1: Well, I didn't know what reality TV was right here again,

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Speaker 2: That's just the type of man he is. So they

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Speaker 3: That is such a fascinating story because one thing we

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Speaker 1: So I want to clear up this moment of my life.

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Speaker 1: So I'm stuck in Jersey right and don't know how

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Speaker 1: I absolutely did not, because I didn't even know how

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Speaker 4: You know, it becomes that you know, so that so

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Speaker 3: So even when you mush Mika clacks it in her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like I didn't need the beer to

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00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: do that. But that, if I have to talk about

445
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 1: any moment that I feel was a downer for me,

446
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 1: was that moment.

447
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 4: Because Mika is really a cool chick, you know what

448
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 4: I mean.

449
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 1: And I think that when she came onto the show,

450
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: we were already a unit and a nucleus that operated

451
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: in a certain way. It's just like if you go

452
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 1: on a scripted show if they've been going for four

453
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 1: or five years and you're the guest star.

454
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 4: It's like you're trying to figure out how to figure, you.

455
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: Know, segue yourself into their already perfect dynamic. And that's

456
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 1: the position that Mika was in. And you know, she's cool,

457
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: but she does talk a lot, you know. And I

458
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: was drunk, you know, and I'm saying, it's like girl,

459
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: you lying, which it was like what I had said

460
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: and what she said. I was saying, we're two completely

461
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: different things. And that's why I mushed her because I

462
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: was drunk, and I'm you know, that's just the truth.

463
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 1: But I wish I had not have been drunk because

464
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: I would not have mushed her because it didn't warrant that.

465
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: And so after I watched that moment back on TV,

466
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: I was like, Keimmy, why did you do that? Like

467
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: the minute you see her, you need to apologize to

468
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 1: her because it didn't need all of that for.

469
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 4: That scene to work, for that moment to happen.

470
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 1: And so I did when I the first time I

471
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: got in the same room with her, I immediately apologized.

472
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 2: And did she receive it?

473
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: She actually did, And I always say she was gracious

474
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: enough to accept my apology because she had a hard

475
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 1: road after that scene too, you know, like trying to

476
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: live her life, do appearances, and everybody's like, that's why

477
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: Tammy must you know what I'm saying, Like you got

478
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: to deal with all the aftermath, you know, And.

479
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 3: So now it reminds me of when Kenya and Portia

480
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 3: had their unfortunate moment at the reunion. And I don't know,

481
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 3: I don't know if ken you ever share this publicly,

482
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 3: is what you said, Like Kenya had to deal with

483
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 3: the aftermath that of fans Portia's fans saying that's why

484
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 3: she dragged exactly, that's why she dragged Jack and constantly

485
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 3: saying that to her face when she's out in public.

486
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,239
Speaker 2: And obviously that happens a lot. I know.

487
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: That's that's something Candice also said happened to her when

488
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 3: her and Monique had the altercation. So what people don't

489
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 3: understand is you have a life after.

490
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: That moment forever. Yes, And that footage is on.

491
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: Rotation constantly, constantly, you know, and they constantly rerunning it.

492
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: You know, season two and three is back, you know,

493
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: seventeen years. It feels like seventeen years ain't been that long,

494
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: but you know, that's how it feels. Even with me

495
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: with Keisha and the purse, you know, people think I'm

496
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: a purse feel and it's like, no, that.

497
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 4: Girl knew what was happening in this scene. The producers.

498
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 4: She knew.

499
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: The producers told us, you got to give us something.

500
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: She knew she left her purse. She knew she could

501
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: have came to my room and got her purse back.

502
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: Like it just was like, what is happening here? You know,

503
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: And she let people run with that narrative, and it

504
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: was It was difficult for me because I'm just trying

505
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: to do what they asked me to do.

506
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 3: It's the moment where Keisha was a cast member. Long

507
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 3: story short, you guys are on a pass trip. Listen, no, Shay,

508
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: you were aggressive to Keisha and you were like her

509
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 3: purse was next to you, and listen. I will never

510
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 3: forget watching that, and a lot of people felt like,

511
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 3: oh my god, Tammy is a bully, and so it

512
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 3: became so bad Shannie O'Neill had to do a pickup scene.

513
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: So a pickup scene, guy, is when the season is

514
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 3: wrapped and you're in plus production and you're sort of

515
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 3: putting the.

516
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: Episodes together with your editors.

517
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:48,719
Speaker 3: And that moment between Tammy and Keisha became father on

518
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 3: social media and it was so bad. Shawnee had to

519
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 3: do a pickup scene talking about my friends and you

520
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 3: know this aggressiveness.

521
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: Did you feel that was a slap in the face.

522
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: I absolutely felt betrayed by that, because Shawnnie was the

523
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: one who showed me the footage of Keisha talking smack

524
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: about me in the airport. As soon as we touched

525
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: down for that cash trip. Shawnee showed me all the

526
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: bts footage of Keisha just ripping me to shreds. So

527
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: like how you say, little docile Keisha, No, that's not

528
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: the case. But what happened was and this is you know,

529
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: fuck it now. At the time, Keisha was involved with

530
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: one of our shows producers, so instead of airing the

531
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: footage the way it really happened, so that you could

532
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: tell a real story, they cut.

533
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 4: Out everything that made Keisha look.

534
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: Like the bad guy and only left all the stuff

535
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: that Tammy did, Which is why I felt betrayed by Shawnee,

536
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, you sat up in that

537
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: airport and showed me all the scenes. You know, you

538
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: showed me that, and you know that we had been

539
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: there three days on this cash trip. Jennifer stayed in

540
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: her room, she was in hide, and nobody wanted to

541
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 1: deal with Kenya, who was there at the time, and

542
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: the producer said, we don't have nothing, guys, you gotta

543
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: do something.

544
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 4: So the next.

545
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: Scene up was us at this bar and me going

546
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: off on Keisha because I was asked to do that.

547
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 4: Okay.

548
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: Then at the end, Keisha hits the ground running, going

549
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: back to the hotel and leaves her purse. I pick

550
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: up her purse, bring it to the car. Now, what

551
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: I am wrong for, which I've always admitted, was going

552
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: through the woman's purse because I wouldn't have wanted nobody

553
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: to do that like to me.

554
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was wrong for that.

555
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: But everything else guys in Truth and Reality, Keisha knew

556
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: what was going on. Seanne knew what was going on.

557
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: The producers knew what they asked me to do, and

558
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: everybody left me out there to dry. And because you

559
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: typically can't speak against the production, right, I gotta be quiet.

560
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: I can't even tell people what I just said to you.

561
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

562
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 3: No, it's interesting because look, people come to me saying,

563
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: is this fak Is this real? It's because they can

564
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: kind of see some of those things happening, and a

565
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: lot of people now are way more.

566
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 4: They're more savvy now.

567
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're savvy now. And listen, not all productions ran

568
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: that way, but some are. Your honesty about That's so

569
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: interesting because at that time I was a reality producer

570
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: and watching that scene, I was fooled. I really thought

571
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 3: that was a real moment based on how it was

572
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: chopped and screwed.

573
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: It was chopped asscrude, So I was like, you know,

574
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: when we got back to the hotel, I was like,

575
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: just tell that girl to come get her purse.

576
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 4: I don't got no.

577
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: Problem with her.

578
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 4: I mean, it ain't that serious. What are y'all doing?

579
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: And they were like, we'll go over to her room

580
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: and give it to her. And that's when I was like,

581
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: ky shut, can you shut? Here's your purse, girl on

582
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: the door. All of that was because they asked me

583
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: to do that, because Tammy got back to that hotel room,

584
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: kicked off her shoes, laid down on her bed, and

585
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: they were like.

586
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 4: She wants to leave and she wants a purse. I said,

587
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 4: tell her her come get it.

588
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: Because to me, I just I'm acting. I acted my

589
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: way through that, did what y'all asked me to do.

590
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: And now it's it's like and see it's over. Everybody relaxed,

591
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: go back, you know, go back to doing your regular

592
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: schedule program and we're all good.

593
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 4: And you know, they they really literally left me out

594
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 4: to dry on That.

595
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: Was that one of the many times you felt that

596
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: you were portrayed by Shawnee or the producers with your

597
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: stay on the show.

598
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were. That was one of them, because there

599
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 4: have been many. There have been many.

600
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: Your last season broke my heart because I was like,

601
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: this woman has carried this franchise on her back, and

602
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 3: she's such a hard worker, and when she shows up,

603
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 3: she shows out. She makes sure to give y'all a

604
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: good scene because everyone wins.

605
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 4: We all wines.

606
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: And your last season, I felt you were so stabbed

607
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: in the back because I felt that Shannie was choosing

608
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: to rekindle her relationship with Evelyn and was leaving you

609
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: out to dry. And it was sad to watch because listen,

610
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 3: I think Evelyn's also a great reality star. I think

611
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: she also shows up and gives a great scene. But

612
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: I felt like, if you were going to be that

613
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: loyal to Evelyn, damn it be that loyal to tell me?

614
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: Did you feel that way too?

615
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: That's I did, and I think, you know, I felt

616
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: like a lot of boundaries had been crossed, you know,

617
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: And when you talk about just having integrity and respect

618
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: for another person, I felt like I wasn't getting that,

619
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And people want to hear

620
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: what they want to hear and see what they want

621
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: to see. And for me to sit at that reunion

622
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: and have somebody admit that they sent letters to production

623
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: you know about me and my personal business. That was

624
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: a lie and admit that they did those things that

625
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 1: started to train for me of like this some bullshit

626
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: right here, you know what I mean, Like because I

627
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: would never do that, Like I would never do that

628
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: to you, but you, young lady, old woman, because you

629
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: ain't fall off me, were like trying to you know,

630
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: like just break me behind the scenes because I was

631
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: just as successful as you in front of the camera

632
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: and that wasn't cool, you know, so when and another

633
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: thing they did with that reunion too was I left

634
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: pretty early, so they put it together in a way

635
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: where it seemed like I was saying things first, which

636
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: is what they always did. It always had to be

637
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: Tammy started it because Seannie and Evelyn started this franchise

638
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: to get so the loyalty from the production company and

639
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: the executive producers was to them. A lot of things

640
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: were shown out of order if you understand what I'm saying,

641
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: so or cut out, you know, to make it skew

642
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: favorable for them because the loyalty was to them.

643
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: Shanie and Avalanche always got the good at.

644
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: It always for the history of the show, which is

645
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: why if people are really true watchers of Basketball Wise,

646
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: they started to see Tammy doesn't talk as much, Tammy

647
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: does not saying as much.

648
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 4: Tammy, it's not doing what she used to do because

649
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 4: I don't.

650
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: Know if you're gonna show it truthfully, and so now

651
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: I've got to protect myself.

652
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 4: So that's really what people start seeing.

653
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: But that back to what you were saying that reunion

654
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: was like, I've had enough. You've talked about my eggs,

655
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: which is a lie. Shannie is backing up your lie,

656
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: so you know, I can't fuck with her or you.

657
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: And then you're going sending letters to the production and

658
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: the production company behind the scenes, spreading lies about me,

659
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: and they're engaging in conversation with you, which was mind

660
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: blowing to me, Carlos, because I feel like, if somebody

661
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: sent you a letter talking about Nani, You're not gonna

662
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: sit and go.

663
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 4: You right, that bitch be tripping like on an email.

664
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 3: Never and let me be clear, some ladies have tried.

665
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: And the reason why I have a great rapport with

666
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: all my girls is because I don't engage in the

667
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: behind the scenes talk about my cast.

668
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: But this executive, high level executive did, and I have

669
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: to this very day.

670
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 4: The emails.

671
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying of this conversation, and the

672
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: girl admitted, yes, I sent letters, and.

673
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 4: The audience just overlooked that.

674
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: So you're admitting that you've been shitting on me and

675
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: trying to do all kind of shit behind the scenes.

676
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 4: Nobody cared.

677
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: They put it like I talked about her eggs before

678
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: she talked about my And quite honestly, I'm only having

679
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: this conversation with you because I know this is what

680
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: the context of your show is about. And it provides

681
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: a piece of closure for me because I will never

682
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: ever answer any more questions about basketball. Why that part

683
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: of my life is closed. So I'm giving it all

684
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: to you, and then I'm getting on down the highway.

685
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: So she was doing a lot to me that people

686
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: just didn't know that I was dealing with. And so

687
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: that's why the very last season that I was on

688
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: the show, I opted not to get a raise, not

689
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: to extend any options, and not to film with her.

690
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 3: Wow, because at the end of the day, you chose

691
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: your piece over.

692
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: Profits, correct, And I said, no, I don't want it.

693
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 4: I'm gonna leave and.

694
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: Go on about my business because I know I can

695
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: do other things.

696
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 3: Baby, we are not done yet. Stay tuned for more

697
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 3: of my conversation with Tammy. Will be right back after

698
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: this quick break. This is Reality with the King and

699
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 3: I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into my chat with Tammy.

700
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 3: I'm a loyal basketball wife's when you left.

701
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: Listen.

702
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: Every show needs a force multiplier and every show needs

703
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: the chemistry of the cast. You are such a force

704
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: and Evelyn was too. We are going to admit that,

705
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 3: but without you being there. And I'm watching this current

706
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 3: season and I'm I'm pretty sure you haven't watched it.

707
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: I think it's safe you haven't. So it is the

708
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: most awful thing I've seen a.

709
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: Very long time. Wow.

710
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 3: And I've said this on my podcast recently that that

711
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: show needs Tammy and Evelyn. And you know, listen, I

712
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: love Jennifer as a friend of mine. We all know

713
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: that Jennifer isn't a lead, right Jen, No, she's not

714
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 3: a lead. She wants to be able to come in

715
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 3: her cute fashion du ALTT one two and keep in moving.

716
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 3: That show is bad, It's awful. In the words of

717
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: Meini Leaks, you never win when you play dirty.

718
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 4: You never win when you play dirty.

719
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: They may be able to get Evelyn back, you know,

720
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: onto the.

721
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: Show, but it's gonna be. It means more than her.

722
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: I know, Shannie got married. Were you invited to the wedding?

723
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 4: I was not.

724
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: I was not invited to the wedding, and I don't

725
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: know why I would have been, you know what I'm saying.

726
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: Like Seannie and I have not spoken to each other

727
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: since I left the show, and I had saw on

728
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: the blog where her father had passed away, and I

729
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: did reach out to her and say, hey, I'm sorry

730
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: for your loss, you know, because I had met her

731
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: father and you know, I know they had a wonderful

732
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: relationship in dynamics, so I know that probably hurt, you know,

733
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: to lose him. And I reached out to her and said,

734
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, sorry for your loss, and she reached back

735
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: out and said, hey, thank you for that A And

736
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: then if I've done anything to ever hurt you over

737
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: the years, like I'm really sorry about it, and you know,

738
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: I thank you with the thumbs up. And then we've

739
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: gone back to our separate corners and our separate lives

740
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 1: like we were before I extended that condolences.

741
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's there's closure.

742
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, the beauty of you is that show did not

743
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: make you, and it certainly did not break you, because

744
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: now you have a brand new show on being called Unfaithful.

745
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 2: And let me tell you something, as a fan of

746
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: cheaters and a fan, you.

747
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: Know, of those type of shows, tell us about Unfaithful.

748
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 4: I am so excited, Carlos, because you know, like quite.

749
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: Honestly, you look out and you see everybody going through

750
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: their winning season, right, and it just seems like, okay, lord,

751
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: here I am, you know, you know, waiting, waiting, waiting.

752
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 4: Let me tip on wait, you know.

753
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: And I just feel like once I made the decision

754
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: to leave the you know, basketball wise and really get

755
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: back to what I love to do in scriptive programming,

756
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: he just opened the floodgates. Like he just showed up

757
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: and showed out. And so they came to me with

758
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: Caughtney act Unfaithful, and it was like.

759
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: Who better than me? You know what I mean. It's like,

760
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 4: of course, you know, I too was a fan of cheaters.

761
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: I have been that person who's been in a relationship

762
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: where there was infidelity. I've written a book on how

763
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: to make your relationship cheap proof. So it just kind

764
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: of fell into place and I'm excited for everybody to

765
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: see it because, yes, like Cheaters, it's a relationship show.

766
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: But we've layered that thing, you know what I mean,

767
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 4: Like you.

768
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: Get to sit down the suspicious lover gets to sit

769
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: down with the other woman and have a real conversation,

770
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: not just confrontation, but conversation with that person, which Cheeters

771
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: didn't do. You can team up with that person and

772
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: take down the man, or you can choose to remain

773
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: solo and take them both down by yourself.

774
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 4: We've got that, And then I wanted to be able.

775
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: To which is one thing I love about me in

776
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: general is I always want to add value to whatever

777
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: it is that I'm involved, even like with the reality stuff.

778
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: It's like, is my telling this part of my life

779
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: going to help someone?

780
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 4: Right?

781
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: Is it going to add value? It's not just going

782
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: to be the Shenanigans. Can I offer something? And I

783
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: want to do the same with this show. And I

784
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: feel like so many people go through life saying toxic relationship,

785
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: toxic relationships, but it's so general and broad that people

786
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: don't even know when they're in a toxic relationship. So

787
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: we're educating while giving you the Shenanigans and the drama

788
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: and you know, the entertainment of these, you know, non

789
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: committed relationships that people are being caught in the act in.

790
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: But you know, it's like, if you don't know what

791
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: hoovering is, if you don't know what parentsification is, if

792
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: you don't know what flying monkeys is, then you could

793
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: very well be in a toxic relationship and not even know.

794
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: Because to us, toxic is oh he put his hands

795
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: on me. Nah, toxic to us is gas lighting.

796
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 4: Oh.

797
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: You know you said that. It's so much more to

798
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: being in a toxic environment than people are aware of.

799
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,479
Speaker 1: And so we've got all those elements and I'm really

800
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,959
Speaker 1: excited for people to see and it's my own thing,

801
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: and you know, I just hope people support me in it,

802
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: you know.

803
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 3: And you're not only the starvet, aren't you also executive producing?

804
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: Get I'm a consulting producer. I'm not executive producing. But

805
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, I was a part of the development phase

806
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: of adding those things that I just spoke to you

807
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 1: about to make sure that it was really well rounded

808
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: and flushed out and we weren't just doing the.

809
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 4: Same thing that had already been done.

810
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: So they afforded me a consulting producer credit, which I'm

811
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: thankful for.

812
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: Congratulations with that, thank you, thank you.

813
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: Would you ever go back into duing reality TV? Or

814
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: do you want to focus on other ventures right now?

815
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: Well? You know which I know you know, but your

816
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: viewers may not know. Caught in the act is reality TV.

817
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 1: Reality is under an umbrella called unscripted, so it's still

818
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: reality TV, it's just a different format. But would I

819
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 1: go back to an ensemble? Absolutely? What you got, Carlos.

820
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: You know, I tried to get up on that Real

821
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: House Life two times and both times they were like, girl,

822
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: go on somewhere. We don't want you, you know, So

823
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: I said, well that won't happen, But I would absolutely

824
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: go back depending upon here again, is it a world

825
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: we haven't seen? Are we offering people something different than

826
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: what's already been done a hundred thousand times?

827
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 4: You know? It would have to really be.

828
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: A flushed out concept and environment, you know, where we're

829
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: something new and it feels fresh.

830
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 4: Yes, But me going to have lunch with.

831
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: So and so and going to somebody's birth keays birthday party,

832
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: and then we got to argue about something at kids.

833
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: No, I'm not interested.

834
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 3: No, I just see something so much bigger for you.

835
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: And that's why I'm so happy for you with the calling,

836
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 3: the acting, faithful show, you acting on Mispatch on BT Plus.

837
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: And it's amazing going to work every day because all

838
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: you do is laugh all day long, like the mispat

839
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: that you guys see on TV and her stand up.

840
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: That's who she is all the time. So I love

841
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: being over there with that. I've got a new scripted

842
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: drama that's coming to be ET as well, which launches

843
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: in August, which I actually helm that show, and I've

844
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: got a great cast on that show as well. This

845
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: is exclusive. I don't know if of you were supposed

846
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: to be talking about it, but it's coming to be

847
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: ET Linear and we're excited about it. So there's there's

848
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: a lot of things that are happening.

849
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,959
Speaker 3: You have such a wealth of knowledge and experience.

850
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: When you talk, people listen.

851
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 4: Thank you.

852
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 2: When you were on.

853
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 3: The Real Alani Love and you shared your personal story

854
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: about your challenges with body image and going through body

855
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: dysmorphia and your honesty, it stops people in their tracks

856
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: because we love you and you're an icon because the

857
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: moment you wire your teeth on the real world. Yes,

858
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: you've always given us the reil. You have a lot

859
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: of fans who are rooting for you, who love you.

860
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: How are you doing health wise now, because obviously you

861
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: were so open about it, and I had no idea

862
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 3: you were going through that after all the years I've

863
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 3: known you.

864
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: If you look at me over the course of my life,

865
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: it's like, who's going to be one hundred and twenty

866
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: pounds and get their my mouth to lose more weight, right,

867
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: which is what I did on real world, Like, I've

868
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: always suffered from this mental disorder, because that's really what

869
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: it is. And I've had phases over the course of

870
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: my life where through therapy, like I try to deal

871
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: with it, right, I try to, for lack of better verbage,

872
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: be normal like everybody else and eat and do you

873
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: know all.

874
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 4: Those things and gain weight and stuff.

875
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: So I've had moments where I try to do that,

876
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: but the minute something triggers it, I'm back on the train,

877
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so you know, Carlos,

878
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: every day is a struggle, if I'm being quite honest,

879
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm just trying to be as healthy

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Speaker 1: as I can be, you know, I don't need people

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Speaker 1: talking about my weight all the time because it doesn't

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Speaker 1: help me. You understand what I'm saying, and so let

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Speaker 1: me kind of just go through my processes and try

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Speaker 1: to get back on a better mental health path so

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Speaker 1: that you don't see my claviical and you don't see

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Speaker 1: my shoulder bone and you don't you know, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, let me just try to work

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Speaker 1: my way through it.

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Speaker 4: But right now, you know, I feel like I look great.

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Speaker 1: But that's the problem, right you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: because everybody's like she needs some help, you know. So

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Speaker 1: it's one day at a time, That's what I will say.

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Speaker 1: It's one day at a time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And listen is one of those things where I

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Speaker 3: know firsthand the moment you publicly talk about your struggles,

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Speaker 3: whether it's eating or alcohol or whatever, it's sort of

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Speaker 3: keep it kind of holds you accountable.

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Speaker 1: But it holds you accountable and hostage at the same time,

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Speaker 1: because because I feel like I put it out there

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Speaker 1: so that you guys can understand what I'm dealing with

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Speaker 1: and then now let me take the steps necessary to

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Speaker 1: get better. And why I say, but it holds you

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Speaker 1: hostages because every time I put up a fucking picture

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Speaker 1: because now people know that that's my issue.

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Speaker 4: It's like she needs to eat.

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Speaker 1: She you know what I mean. It's like she was

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Speaker 1: you know, you know what I'm saying when she got

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Speaker 1: by in this morn. Yeah, she ain't trying to get better.

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Speaker 1: And it's like I shared it with you guys because

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Speaker 1: I want you to have empathy and compassion, not just

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Speaker 1: continue to break me down. Let me just try to

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Speaker 1: keep working through it, and then one day there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be one day I'm gonna put up a picture and

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be like, huh, she looked good.

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Speaker 4: She got to you guys, because to me, I look great.

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Speaker 1: But for you guys, let me just try to work

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Speaker 1: through it.

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Speaker 3: We are all praying for you because we love you.

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Speaker 3: Ever we want to see you win. So last, but

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Speaker 3: not least, what is it that you want my listeners

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Speaker 3: to know about you that no one knows because they

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Speaker 3: saw one side of you on reality TV?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think they just need to know that I'm

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Speaker 1: God fearing and I'm about my.

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Speaker 4: Business and I'm an excellent you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what else because I feel

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Speaker 1: like I've shared so much of my life that they've

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Speaker 1: seen everything.

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Speaker 4: You know, So I feel like most people should know me.

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Speaker 1: But you know, like I love the Lord and I

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Speaker 1: might say shit and fuck, but I definitely love the Lord.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm all about Christ and my ancestors and

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Speaker 1: trying to do what I need to do to make

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Speaker 1: my mom proud who's no longer here, and make my

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Speaker 1: daughters proud who have to live on past me.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Tammy, we can talk all day. I love her

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Speaker 3: so much. She's so real, she's so genuine. And to

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Speaker 3: have someone that's been in this business as long as

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Speaker 3: she has but still comes across so relatable, that's nothing

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Speaker 3: but a gift. And this conversation, I just have a

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Speaker 3: Tammy was also a gift. Love you, Tammy, thoughts, opinions.

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Speaker 3: Read about my conversation with Tammy. Email me at Reality

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Speaker 3: with the King at stitcher dot com or leave me

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