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Speaker 1: I saw Anthony Richardson's Pro day to day. Obviously, CJ

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks with George Kittle, and he talked about

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Speaker 1: his body after a football game and how much paint

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Speaker 1: he's in, how he doesn't feel right to like Wednesday

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Speaker 1: or Thursday of the following week. And he's not alone.

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Speaker 1: We've heard anytime you listen to a player talk about

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Speaker 1: their body post game and how long it takes them

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Speaker 1: to feel right, it's several days. So the disadvantage of

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Speaker 1: human being, especially as the season goes on on Thursday

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Speaker 1: night football. So I it's so much easier to play

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Speaker 1: your Thursday night football game in September. You have such

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Speaker 1: an advantage over the teams that are playing it in

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Speaker 1: November and December, just from a body clock standpoint. So

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Speaker 1: I am very understanding of the difficulty. I'm also I

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Speaker 1: worked in an NFL front office for two years. I

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Speaker 1: worked and we played Thursday night both seasons, and I

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Speaker 1: saw the amount of time it takes for that team

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Speaker 1: and that coaching staff to get ready for that game.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. You don't sleep all week long. I do,

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Speaker 1: but the coaches don't. And it's very, very difficult. But

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Speaker 1: today the Yankees, their game started at one o'clock. It

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Speaker 1: was not on national television. The Yankees are the biggest

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Speaker 1: brand in Major League Baseball. Today was Opening Day. I

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Speaker 1: couldn't watch the game. It started my time ten am.

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Speaker 1: My take, that's fucking embarrassing. How can you have your

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Speaker 1: biggest brand on Opening Day? I get you got one

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two games not be on national TV.

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Speaker 1: Roger Goodell. That would never happen the NBA. Earlier this week,

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Speaker 1: the media had hyped up for a month, and rightfully so,

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Speaker 1: an MVP showdown Denver versus the Sixers. Hyped it up,

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Speaker 1: hiped it up, hyped it up. This is this could

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Speaker 1: determine the MVP of the league. Day of the game.

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Speaker 1: Joel Embiid not playing, just claim I'm injured, Not really,

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Speaker 1: because I just played, just not gonna do it. They

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Speaker 1: don't care about the fans. I've never seen a league

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Speaker 1: that cares less about the paying customer or the customer

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Speaker 1: willing to give his time. It's Adams over from the

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Speaker 1: worst commissioner I've ever seen. He has no control of

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Speaker 1: his league. Complete embarrassment. Baseball little different. Their guys do try.

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Speaker 1: They just play so many games I can't keep up.

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Speaker 1: And today is a great example. Opening Day Yankees not

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Speaker 1: on national TV. I just don't understand how that happened,

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Speaker 1: but it does. And the NFL is the most fan

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Speaker 1: friendly league in sports. It does everything for us. The

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Speaker 1: teams and the management are always in control. So they

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Speaker 1: want to keep a player that we like, they keep

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Speaker 1: them all their games always on national television. Any market

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Speaker 1: you live in, you want to watch your team play

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Speaker 1: every single game, very easy to consume all on you know,

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Speaker 1: basic cable right, Fox, CBS, NBC. And these enormous television

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Speaker 1: deals are what pay for everything. And the reason these

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Speaker 1: players have never made more money in the NFL and

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Speaker 1: the salary CAP's gonna keep rising is because of television

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Speaker 1: slash streaming. But they know it's to go to streaming

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Speaker 1: and no business, and listen, I'm part of a business

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00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: right now, not this venture. This venture is booming, but

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Speaker 1: I'm part of something else that's probably gonna make a

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Speaker 1: little less than we did in twenty and twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Not like you know, the end of the world. But

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Speaker 1: it sucks. That's anyone that's listening to this, whether you're

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Speaker 1: a sales guy, whether you're own your own business, you

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Speaker 1: always every single year. Now it's hard to control. Like

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Speaker 1: if you're in real estate, some things change, if you're construction,

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Speaker 1: some things change. It's hard. Business is difficult. You are

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Speaker 1: not guaranteed to make more money in perpetuity. There are

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Speaker 1: things out of your control that happened that slow it down.

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Speaker 1: That still doesn't mean you ever want to stop not

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Speaker 1: making more money year in the year out. It sucks,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially if you're trying to do everything humanly

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Speaker 1: possible to keep the grave for trading rolling. And the

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Speaker 1: NFL knows that we have to figure out ways to

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Speaker 1: make this as big as possible moving forward, so these

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Speaker 1: numbers continue to grow. Now, like I said, I get

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Speaker 1: the players, the coaches. I think it's outrageous because it

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Speaker 1: kind of is. No, it really is, but this is

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Speaker 1: kind of where the money comes from. Like whenever I

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Speaker 1: see Russell Westbrook or Kyrie Irving, two of the most

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Speaker 1: famous players the last decade. They're constantly throwing people out

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Speaker 1: of games. I saw a clip yesterday Westbrook threw someone out.

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Speaker 1: The other day Kyrie threw someone out. These people are

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Speaker 1: sitting front court at an NBA game, go to game time,

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Speaker 1: mapp see how much that ticket costs. It's like, I

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Speaker 1: can't believe the way they treat these guys. Now, if

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Speaker 1: he said something beyond outrageous, I get it, but it's

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Speaker 1: now the fucking throwing every single person out, no chance,

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Speaker 1: everyone's crossing the line. They hate the consumer. It drives

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Speaker 1: me nuts. It's just a business person, like, how can

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Speaker 1: you allow this to keep happening? And the NFL is

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Speaker 1: always about us, the consumer? What can they do to

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Speaker 1: make it better? Because they know the better it is

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Speaker 1: for the networks, the better it is for everyone, and

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Speaker 1: that always isn't the best for the teams or the players.

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Speaker 1: And it's a hard balance to strike. But I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what, the players love, and I mean love, and

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Speaker 1: I would too the amount of money that keeps flowing

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Speaker 1: in the league. So are the coaches, all these you know,

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00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: a tight end coach making four hundred grand. These TV

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00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: networks weren't that big. Once upon a time they were

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Speaker 1: making thirty grand. So and one day, if it keeps

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Speaker 1: going with it, maybe they'll make six hundred grand. Every OC,

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Speaker 1: every DC making one two three million dollars. Business is

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Speaker 1: fucking booming. And the reason it's booming is because of

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Speaker 1: these contracts, and you gotta keep these people happy. So, like,

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Speaker 1: I just don't think it's as black and wise as

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Speaker 1: we could never do this. Well, I got news for you, Jags.

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Speaker 1: You're not getting flexes, the Cowboys, the Eagles, the Niners,

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs. I mean, it's it's the big boys carrying

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Speaker 1: this league, you know, the star quarterbacks, the big brands.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's gonna happen. If I

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Speaker 1: was a betting man, it probably will happen. But it's

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Speaker 1: not like they're just doing it for ships and giggles.

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Speaker 1: They're doing it for money, which the players are part

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Speaker 1: of this little thing called a revenue share agreement. So

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Speaker 1: the more money that comes in, the more healthy the

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Speaker 1: league is, the more money for everyone. There's a balance

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Speaker 1: with health and safety. But I think for his biggest

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Speaker 1: Thursday night football. We all talk about it's the practice

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Speaker 1: schedule that the union demanded. We just get rid of practice.

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Speaker 1: Now guys drop like flies because they don't practice, they

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Speaker 1: don't hit. I go to trading camp, no one does anything.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's a little more nuanced and complicated

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Speaker 1: than just the way it's like, oh, we can never

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Speaker 1: do this. Well, can we talk about the different variables.

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Speaker 1: It's about making putting more money in your pocket, because

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Speaker 1: if the owners get more money, the players and coaches

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00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: get more money. It's the way it works. A couple

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Speaker 1: other NFL notes, I saw Florio say that that the

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Speaker 1: Jets trying to think about this trade or the packers

552
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Speaker 1: are this trade has been going on so long. I

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Speaker 1: forget even who's got one player. I've never seen a

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Speaker 1: trade that like, because some people have been in my dms,

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Speaker 1: why don't the Jets just go get Lamar Jack one

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Speaker 1: of these? Like, guys, the steal's done. The steal's done,

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00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: you know, like anyone that's ever done buy to home

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00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: or sold at home. You know, when you're under contract

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Speaker 1: and you're just hammering out the details, Like that's what's

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00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: going on that they're under contract, and the chances of

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Speaker 1: this deal unlike a real estate deal buying a home.

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Speaker 1: The steel's not coming back him on the market. Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers is gonna be a Jet unless he retires, he

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Speaker 1: does not retire, which he said he's not going to.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be a Jet. But they're haggling over what's

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Speaker 1: going on. And Florio reported that the Jets are no

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Speaker 1: longer dead set on getting the number thirteen pick and

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Speaker 1: talking to some NFL people this week as they drove

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Speaker 1: from Pro Day to Pro Day, and maybe Florio mentioned

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Speaker 1: this so I'm not trying to steal it, is that

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Speaker 1: when Rogers came on McAfee and said that he was

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Speaker 1: ninety percent going to retire when he went into the

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Speaker 1: Darkness Retreat, the Jets are like, this guy, we already

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Speaker 1: knew he would, you know, waffle about retiring in the

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Speaker 1: last couple of years. When you literally say out loud

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Speaker 1: that I was ninety percent just going to retire like

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Speaker 1: a week ago, how can I give you the thirteenth

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Speaker 1: overall pick. Come on, guys, you're giving me an asset

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Speaker 1: who could quit it any moment, which we all kind

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Speaker 1: of talked about. But then when he said that. I

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Speaker 1: heard that really hindered the negotiations and the Jets because

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Speaker 1: I've been saying for a while, you know, I'd probably

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Speaker 1: just give thirteen, especially now that I have two twos,

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Speaker 1: and just move on. But I do get it. From

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Speaker 1: their standpoint, like I'm gonna give you pick thirteen in

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Speaker 1: a draft that I've heard, it's pretty terrible. I've heard

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Speaker 1: the difference in this draft of pick twenty and pick

588
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 1: one hundred is not that different. Now, clearly there are

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Speaker 1: some non quarterbacks. There's I would say, depending on who

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00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: you talk to, if there are four legit quarterback prospects,

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00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, tennish prospects. So the Jets that picks a

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Speaker 1: real player and that I do get it, I go no.

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Speaker 1: And maybe Rogers calculate was calculated when he said that,

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Speaker 1: knowing that because if you're him, when you rather just

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00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: have them draft the Notre Dame tight end right there?

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00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: Probably now you could argue it does even like rookie players.

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Speaker 1: But you know what I mean. And I think from

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Speaker 1: all signs that are pointing, from what I've heard ruler

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00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: rumblings out there that this deal could get done for

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Speaker 1: like a second and a conditional second third, depending on

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Speaker 1: if he returns next year. But I think the deal

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Speaker 1: because of all the hoop law about his future, is

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Speaker 1: going to be a lot less at least of as

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00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: we're sitting here today than we had originally anticipated before.

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Speaker 1: You know, he kind of came out of the darkness retreat.

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Speaker 1: Let's see. Oh I saw a rumor today. It's hard

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Speaker 1: because I gave a Lamar a lot of credit for

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Speaker 1: coming out with that tweet on the day that John

609
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: Harbaugh was going to talk, and then I saw that

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Speaker 1: he's just continued to tweet, and I think Dion Sanders

611
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: came out and said, like, bro, what are you doing.

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Speaker 1: You do not need to fight this battle on Twitter?

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Speaker 1: If you ever, just for those of you listening, if

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Speaker 1: you're not on Twitter, god bless you. What a fucking

615
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: waste of space ninety nine percent of the time. Beside,

616
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: if you like sports the occasional breaking news, it is

617
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: a hell hole of misery and you are never going

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00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: to and listen. I'm guilty. I used to be very,

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Speaker 1: very active. I would say, like twenty twelve through two

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Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen. These last couple of years, I just see

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Speaker 1: no point, Like I just keep a lot of thoughts

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Speaker 1: to myself, I'm not monetizing these thoughts, Well, what's the

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Speaker 1: point and just arguing over we're never changing our views,

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Speaker 1: and Lamar is just fighting this uphill battle constantly on Twitter.

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00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: It's like, what's what's the point of this? You don't

626
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: see these guys when they go through it consistently fighting

627
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: that why because that's why you pay an agent. And

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00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: I've said over and over this isn't even about like

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00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: saying that I'm pro anti agent in this situation. He

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00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: needs some help. And then there was a rumor and

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Speaker 1: it's hard because you don't know what to believe that

632
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't need a fully guarante deal, he just needs

633
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: more money and guarantees this Deshaun Watson got. It's like,

634
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: if that is true, and I'm gonna prevent if it's true,

635
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: I got no clue. Jeremy Fowler of ESPN, throw it

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00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: out there, and I'll be honest. So far, most things

637
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: he throws out there have been true just about players

638
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: in general. I think he's a pretty credible reporter. You're

639
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 1: not getting that, Lamar. And if you want to get

640
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: traded and that's your demand on money, like you're never

641
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 1: getting it. If you're willing to just sign I don't

642
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: know what other contracts guys are signing for non Deshaun Watson,

643
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: then maybe you get traded. But if that's your demand,

644
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: no one's gonna come after you. Now that being said,

645
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: all these teams and owners, I can't believe how naive

646
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: former players are when they're reacting to this. So many

647
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: people in the media are that these teams to just

648
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: say we're not interested, We're we're not going down that road.

649
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: Why do you believe? I never believe anything the team says.

650
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: I just judge teams off actions. That's the only thing

651
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: that matters. How to do Coaches and executives say one

652
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: thing and then just within a week, within a month,

653
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: at the draft, in free agency, during the season, do another.

654
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: Why Because ultimately their words are irrelevant. And if I

655
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: ran a team, was an owner, a GM or a coach,

656
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: I would say that too. Yeah, we're not in the business.

657
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: You are not doing your job. If you're not contacting

658
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: I don't know who is mom finding out what the

659
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: contract is and then talking with the ravens of what

660
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: the compensation would be right to think these teams that

661
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: have said we're not doing it haven't contacted them or

662
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: gathered information. Would just be ignorant to the way the

663
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: business works, would be ignorant to the way any business works.

664
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Speaker 1: The number one thing we all can do is accumulate information.

665
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: Whatever you do for a job and allows yourself to

666
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: make better decisions. Right, Like, I'm a better podcaster when

667
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: I picked the brain of three or four assistant GM's,

668
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: did they go from pro day to pro day? Right?

669
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: I get information that I was thinking one thing. And

670
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm telling you, bro, this is happening. Like, well,

671
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: it's probably changed my tune. I'll never forget being at

672
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: the combine years ago. And my guy, he'll be at

673
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: GM one day and I'll come on this podcast. But

674
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: right now he's an up and comer, said Middlecoff. You're

675
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: being way too hard on Josh Allen. It's like, bro, inaccurate,

676
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? This guy's got you know,

677
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: I think he's got three Super Bowl rings. Now he

678
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: knows what it looks like. And he was right, you know,

679
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: And I think anyone good in my spot. And it's

680
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: the one thing I say about reporters. If the only

681
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: people you talk to are agents, I don't take you seriously,

682
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: what makes schefter so powerful? And I would imagine Adrian

683
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: Wojanowski as well in basketball, and I think rap Sheet

684
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: has become this as well. Early on, I thought he

685
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: was kind of agent driven, but now, I mean I've

686
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: seen him at training camps, like you have to do

687
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: every GM and every coach and obviously you got agents too,

688
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: But if you don't know the gems and the coaches,

689
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: like I don't really care what the agents thing, because

690
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: the gms and the coaches are in control of the

691
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: contracts of who gets traded, right, I mean, they are

692
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: the ultimate decision makers. What what do you learn early on, Like,

693
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: especially when you get your first job, you can waste

694
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: a lot of time talking to someone on the phone.

695
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: If they ended up decision making power, it's kind of waste.

696
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: Like you got to work your way to a decision maker.

697
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: Sometimes that might even just be the secretary. Why because

698
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: the secretary can get you into the CEO. You waste

699
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: more time with sales guys in the middle of the office,

700
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: Like go to the guy's secretary, I'd waste more time

701
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: with her or him. You never know. In two twenty three,

702
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: but I just see some of this this talk. Do

703
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: people know the way the NFL works? Do people talk

704
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: to these coaches and gems. I haven't talked to one

705
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: person who's like, yeah, i'd be interested in Lamar. No,

706
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm not. Some of these people aren't decision makers, and

707
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: some of these people don't need quarterbacks. But this notion like, oh,

708
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: don't talking to him. It's like Rod Rivera said, say,

709
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: how is the next party? If Washington hasn't talked to them,

710
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: everyone should be firing. That doesn't mean you should do

711
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 1: the deal. Because if I contact Lamar and we're like, hey,

712
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: we'd be interested about trading a couple once or making

713
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: a package for you, he's like, listen, can't has trade

714
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: for him? Part of it. He's mad about it the money.

715
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: So he's like, well, listen, here's my contract. You don't

716
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: need to guarantee me to you know, every penny, but

717
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: it's gotta be more than two it's gotta be two

718
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one million dollars minimum. What would your

719
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: first reaction be, I know what mine would be, Good

720
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: luck Lamar, look forward to watching him. Hopefully you don't

721
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: have to play it. God speed him a man. Good luck.

722
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: So it baffles my mind. I've saying this over and

723
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: over universally. Universally everyone ripped the Deshaun Watson trade and

724
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: the contract, yet like it feels like the media is

725
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: really defending him, like you gotta give him his money?

726
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: What money? This is not a We're not the Yankees here.

727
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if an unlimited amount of cash, there's

728
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: a salary cap and he's not a top five quarterback,

729
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: neither's probably Deshauan Watson, why that could go down? Well,

730
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: if Russell sucks, Russell's probably be the worst trade ever.

731
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: Deshaun's still young, so maybe he could still have some moments,

732
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: but those could go down to two of the worst

733
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Speaker 1: trades of all time. I actually like Lamar better than

734
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: those two guys like currently, but the money matters. I

735
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: feel if if I don't have to pay him, I'd

736
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 1: trade two ones yesterday. But the cash and the guarantees,

737
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: like that's the whole deal here. Uh. And last we

738
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: not least, we talk about this, and we'll talk about

739
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: this with the quarterbacks that are getting drafted in all

740
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: these young quarterbacks, how serious you need to be. I

741
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: talked about it with Colin the other day, Like I think,

742
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: why I'm way better at this job than I ever

743
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: was as could be as a scout. I could never

744
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: have been a GM. I wasn't addicted to football. And

745
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: the people I know that are crushing it right now,

746
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: either as GMS coaches, assistant coaches, assistant GMS college directors, whatever,

747
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 1: are addicted to football. They're not watching the valvespar this weekend.

748
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: I am. You know. They're not worried about doing other

749
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 1: stuff in business. They might be, but football means everything

750
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 1: to them. Coach Read Brett, Veach, Howie Roseman, Belichick, Pete Carroll,

751
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: you go wrong. And most guys that I've known or

752
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: met or follow Nick Saban, Jim Harball football it's like

753
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: crack to them. There is no stopping it. That they

754
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,959
Speaker 1: will never give up their addiction, and that's what makes

755
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: them so great, just like Tom Brady was addicted to

756
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: playing football or Tiger Woods was addicted to playing goal.

757
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: It's what separates them from the pack. Not always the

758
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: healthiest thing, but it's what makes them great in their field.

759
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: And to me, I was ever addicted to football, even

760
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: when I worked in it. Sometimes it kind of bored me.

761
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: I just couldn't watch seventh round or after seventh round

762
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: or a practice squad guy after a practice squad guy.

763
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: It's boring, you know, it really is. I like other sports.

764
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: I like watching an NBA playoff game, or like I'm

765
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: not missing the Masters for draft meetings. Back then I

766
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: had to. But if I could choose right, So you

767
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: really got to be to be a great player, or

768
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: a great coach or a great executive, you gotta be

769
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: addicted to the game. I've seen it firsthand and all

770
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,479
Speaker 1: the great ones were and it was it was cool

771
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: to watch because I think that passion, you know, in

772
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: a weird way, especially if for coaches, keeps you young

773
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: because you get to be a round a lot of

774
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: young people. I think as an executive it can drive

775
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: you nuts, but as a coach it's it's kind of

776
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: a double edged sword. It's unhealthy the way you have

777
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: to live. But I do think it keeps you young.

778
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: And I think the character stuff when it comes to

779
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks really really matters. I would not mess with

780
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: a quarterback who honestly wasn't pristine character. If your character

781
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: isn't on the high end of all the boxes, I

782
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: couldn't invest a lot India, whether that be a draft

783
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: pick or whether that beat money, and usually they go

784
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: hand in hand. And I saw Mike McCarthy, who is

785
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: his picture in the coach picture is just classic man.

786
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: He's actually dressed pretty well. He just looks so miserable sometimes,

787
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, like school photos, you might not smile for

788
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: a second that catch you and your mom yelled at you.

789
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: Kind of felt like that. You just look kind of

790
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: grumpy off to the corner. Even though a lot of

791
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl winners, you know, it was like Belichick,

792
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: Andy Harbaugh, Sean Payton were all kind of in the middle.

793
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: Never forget Mike's gott a ring, you know McVeigh. Mike

794
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: is away over there in the corner. So maybe he's

795
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: a little bitter that he's not in the end crowd.

796
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: He feels like an outcast. But he said he must

797
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: send this to reporters that over. Within the last couple

798
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: of weeks, Dak Prescott was coming in to work out

799
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: and spent four I didn't know Scott Tolzine, remember former

800
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: I think Wisconsin quarterback who spent some time on the Packers,

801
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: is now McCarthy's quarterback coach. And he said like he

802
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: came in for a workout I think they might have

803
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: like a captain's day, and I'm not exactly sure what

804
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: that is. But after it was done, they went in

805
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: one of the meeting rooms and McCarthy, Tolzine and Dak

806
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: watched all of his picks and dissected them for four hours.

807
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: And if you just google like and listen. I don't

808
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: blame when he's a Super Bowl champ, but like I

809
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: was hitting golf balls the other day at TPC, Travis

810
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: Kelsey was in the back with like a pro golfer,

811
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: just fucking around, you know. I mean, this is a

812
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: time when Josh Allen, you know, Sam Darnold, they're doing

813
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: golf videos with people. It's it's hang out time. You know.

814
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: This is I don't blame anyone for chilling in February

815
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: and March. As an NFL player, Dak Prescott and listen,

816
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: Dak needs doing prove he's getting paid one of the

817
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: highest paid players in the league. He's definitely one of

818
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: the most high profile players in the league. And I

819
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: was critical of the contract, not because I don't believe

820
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: in the human I think he is everything you'd want

821
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: to invest in. My issue was more like his talent.

822
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: I don't see you know, a talented enough guy. Now

823
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: we've argued about this in the DMS and Cowboy fans.

824
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: If you just want to win double digit games and

825
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: making the playoffs every year, he's gonna do that. So

826
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are gonna have a lot of success and

827
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna make money. But ultimately, like when you pay

828
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: to me a quarterback, a definitely a premium and one

829
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty million dollars forty million dollars, especially a

830
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, I would put that in the

831
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: premium category. I think your goal's got to be to

832
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: win a title, and what we've seen last he's just

833
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: not good enough to win a title. Now, if he

834
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: can somehow because his picks have gotten a little out

835
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: of control, figure out how to not turn the ball over.

836
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: And this is why you bet on character, because now

837
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's gonna translate. He could have throw

838
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: fifteen picks this year, but he truly cares, and to

839
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: spend four hours in the offseason when he could be

840
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: doing whatever the hell he wants, I mean, whatever the

841
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: hell he wants. Why because everyone in the league is

842
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: doing whatever the hell they want right now. I feel

843
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: pretty good if I was a Cowboy, and I feel

844
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: pretty good if I was Jerry. Now, ultimately that's got

845
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: to translate to the field. I think there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a lot of debate. Have they made an incremental gap

847
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: made up for the Eagles at all? Eagles obviously lose Hardgrave,

848
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: We'll see. You know, they're gonna have Miles Sanders gone now,

849
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: like Miles Sanders was great, But who else they lose?

850
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Speaker 1: CJ they lost safety. Team's still gonna be pretty good

851
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: betting still on some old players. But I think Cowboys

852
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty good. And I know Dak really really cares.

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Speaker 1: So it's just gonna come down to, like what they

854
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: worked on those four hours dissecting all those picks just

855
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: can't happen. And I've said it over and over, like

856
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: the Cowboys now two straight years he has played like

857
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: shit against the forty nineers in the playoffs. Well, who

858
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: are they likely to play in another playoff game? Rorty Niners?

859
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: And when you turn the ball over last year he

860
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: threw two picks like that. Just that cannot happen. You're

861
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: margin for air in these playoff games because the other

862
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: team is so good. You gotta be good with the football.

863
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: You can't turn them. Maybe you can afford interception, but

864
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: you definitely can't afford to. So props Jak Prescott grind

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Speaker 1: in the off season. The volume