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Speaker 1: Good evening everyone, Ken coming alongside of Nathan Zagura, and

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Speaker 1: we are getting you ready for Thursday night coverage, Friday

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Speaker 1: night coverage, Saturday afternoon coverage all three days the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three NFL Draft. Nathan Evening, Monfrere.

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Speaker 2: Montfrere, it is great to be with you as always,

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Speaker 2: and listen from a Browns perspective, We're gonna have you

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Speaker 2: covered on Friday and Saturday. But for the NFL, that's right,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna give it to you Thursday, Friday and Saturday

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Speaker 2: this week. The draft is here, moves are being made

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Speaker 2: around the league and probably more to come. But for

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Speaker 2: the Browns, we know this draft starts at pick number

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Speaker 2: seventy four, a little unique in that regard that seventy

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Speaker 2: three players will have to be chosen before the Browns

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Speaker 2: make a selection unless they make a move. But that's

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Speaker 2: where you're at, and it's because of obviously the acquisition

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Speaker 2: of Deshaun Watson last offseason and then the acquisition of

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Speaker 2: Elijah Moore this offseason.

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Speaker 1: You know, I like to sit around and judge everybody,

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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna be having a lot of fun over

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Speaker 1: Friday night.

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Speaker 3: Job out Greats.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, judging all the first round picks, and I get

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Speaker 1: to say it in the words of the great Mitch Oltis,

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Speaker 1: it will be live and karnzel Cinne as we get

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Speaker 1: ready for the twenty twenty three draft, I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to it. A lot happened over the offseason, Nathan, A

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Speaker 1: lot of big news for Cleveland Browns fans out there.

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Speaker 1: Some Browns fans would know some of these names.

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Speaker 3: That re sign.

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Speaker 1: Ethan Postik, He re signed, a very nice piece to

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, a great center for the Browns in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Aj Green, one of your pet cats,

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Speaker 1: one of the guys that everybody is excited about. One

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Speaker 1: of the backup cornerbacks there see Ony Taki. Taki's back,

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Speaker 1: although he'll probably be back a little bit further on

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Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty three regular season. Jordan Kanashik He

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Speaker 1: is back, Anthony Walker Junior is back. And the very

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Speaker 1: very smart, the very very steadfast, and it all around

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Speaker 1: good guy Joshua Dobbs is back. Of those players resigning.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about who you're

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Speaker 1: really excited about here?

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Speaker 3: Name? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it starts obviously with Ethan Postk at center.

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Speaker 2: I think last year you know, the Browns really discovered

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Speaker 2: a gem and it was through it was through newcessity.

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Speaker 3: Know j C.

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Speaker 2: Trutter left in the offseason. Nick Harris was going to

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Speaker 2: be the starter, won the job. He gets hurt. I

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Speaker 2: think on the second play of the preseason down in Jacksonville,

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Speaker 2: and Ethan Possek stepped in and played at really an

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Speaker 2: elite level, top five center in the league, you could say,

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Speaker 2: certainly a pro football focus.

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Speaker 3: That's how he was graded.

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Speaker 2: And so to get him back, to have the continuity

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Speaker 2: of all five starters on your offensive line from a

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Speaker 2: year ago, I think that is massive. I like what

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Speaker 2: But I also thought getting Anthony Walker back was a

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Speaker 2: big deal. I thought that he was playing at such

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Speaker 2: for the Browns, and so to be able to get

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Speaker 2: him back, I thought was a very very good thing

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Speaker 2: from a leadership standpoint, from an accountability standpoint. And then

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Speaker 2: Josh Dobbs, I was sad that he left last year.

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Speaker 2: I thought, you know, it was kind of a surprise

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Speaker 2: got a chance to start some meaningful games in Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: and to have him back I think is good. But

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Speaker 2: Postic's really the headliner. I think in terms of the

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Speaker 1: How did he become such a diamond in the rough.

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Speaker 1: I know, not a lot of people know about offensive linemen,

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Speaker 1: so they all kind of become diamonds in the rough

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Speaker 1: in that regard Nathan, but man, he was just outstanding

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Speaker 2: I would say it's a combination of three things. Talent,

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Speaker 2: opportunity in coaching. So let's not forget Ethan Posik was

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Speaker 2: he comes here and I've said it once, I've said

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Speaker 2: a billion times Bill Callahan makes everybody better, and I

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Speaker 2: think Ethan Posa came in was willing to take the coaching.

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Speaker 2: He's an unbelievable specimen. You've talked to him. I mean

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Speaker 2: he's very very big. But he understands leverage. He's very

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Speaker 2: I think you'd had a great ball of clay in

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Speaker 3: It all clicked.

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Speaker 2: He had Whyatt on one side, a two time Pro

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Speaker 2: bowler Joel Betonio, who's been you know, to four straight

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Speaker 3: He just it connected for him.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it takes something like that, because when you're a

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Speaker 2: second round pick, again the league evaluated you at a

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Speaker 2: what you saw last year and he said, I you

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Speaker 2: know what, I want to do it again. I'm coming

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Speaker 2: back and obviously great for him, great for the Browns.

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Speaker 1: Also some new additions Dalvin Tomlinson, very nice piece in

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl ring already with the Los Angeles Rams. Juan

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Speaker 1: him coming up here in a moment. Jordan Aikens joins

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Speaker 1: this football team. And then you have Maurice Hurst. I

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Speaker 1: as a defensive tackle, A very interesting piece, very good

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Speaker 1: really marred by injury. With Maurice Hurst. If this guy

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Speaker 3: He could make the team.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that you have a couple of guys,

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Speaker 2: Maurice Hurst and then Tristan Hill is a former second

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Speaker 3: A starting level.

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Speaker 2: That room is wide open, and we can get into

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Speaker 2: Dalvin Tomlinson is the one sure thing right now in

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Speaker 2: And so a guy like Maurice Hurst certainly could play

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Speaker 2: they're taking some swings on guys Hill for example, second

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Speaker 2: Now maybe he has a chance here to be good

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Speaker 2: for the brown So taking some gambles there on guys

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Speaker 2: that are high talent, get him into our system and

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Speaker 2: hopefully they can perform at a high level. But we

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Speaker 2: need that competition in that room. Yes, that room is

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Speaker 2: far from settled, far from settled.

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Speaker 1: And if you're a draft pick this weekend by the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns and you're a defensive tackle, I mean there's

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Speaker 1: a golden opportunity here. You just said it. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's a wide open room right now. Dalvin Tomlinson. Yes,

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Speaker 1: a very high priced, very good out of Minnesota. Jordan Elliott,

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Speaker 1: nice opportunity for maybe a name that we're not going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would surprise me at all to see them

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Speaker 2: invest in the defensive line. It's quite possible if their

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Then you've got Jordan Elliott, now in the final year

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Speaker 2: and gave you some good games but didn't really break out.

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Speaker 2: Maybe like I think people had hoped, you got perry

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Speaker 2: On Winfrey, who is immensely talented, but his availabilities his

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Speaker 2: those great talents. Tommy TOGIAI has not lived up to

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Speaker 2: you wonder he's fighting for a roster spot. We have Hurst,

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Speaker 2: we have Hill, and the one thing I'd point out

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Speaker 2: as well is there could be a draft pick in there.

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Speaker 2: But this is also a position where after June first,

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Speaker 2: the Browns will get about ten million dollars in cap space.

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Speaker 2: It would not at all surprise me to see the

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Speaker 2: veteran defensive tackle or even a veteran defensive end on

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Speaker 2: a one year deal who kind of solidifies the whole group.

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Speaker 1: A strong possibility as well, Nathan, in seeing how things

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Speaker 1: worked out last year. You know, this is one of

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Speaker 1: the things I'm gonna want to ask Dan Brugler coming

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Speaker 1: and he's their senior draft analysts, and we'll see what

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Speaker 1: he thinks about this draft class, and especially at the

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Speaker 1: defensive tackle spot, because when we see the Browns defensive tackles, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: last year they had a lot of trouble stop at

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Speaker 1: the run. I mean, as a football team, just so

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Speaker 1: much trouble, Nathan, stopping this, stopping the run. But the

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Speaker 1: Browns weren't the only team. I mean, we looked around

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Speaker 1: the league sixty seven different starting quarterbacks throughout the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two campaign, all throughout the NFL, and that meant

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Speaker 1: there were a lot of running backs getting opportunities and

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Speaker 1: Outstanding stuff. In just over fifteen minutes, Nathan Zegera is

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Speaker 6: Us tonight, of course, good evening, gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dane, separate fact from fiction. Things have gotten

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Speaker 6: they're Northeast Ohio native. Last year was his first year

435
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Speaker 6: as a general manager and he didn't pick until pick ninety,

436
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Speaker 6: so we don't really have a frame of reference for

437
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Speaker 6: him in terms of what he might be looking for.

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Speaker 6: So a lot of unknown with some of these teams

439
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Speaker 6: picking early and what they might look to go after.

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Speaker 6: And honestly, you know, from my standpoint, sure, I'd love

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Speaker 6: to get all my picks right in my mock draft,

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Speaker 6: but even more so I want to be entertained on

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Speaker 6: Draft night. And it's looking like it's going to be

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Speaker 6: a fun Thursday night as we see it all unfold, Well.

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Speaker 1: The rounds don't pick till Friday night. Dan Brugler, Johnny

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Speaker 1: is here on the show, and we got to get

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Speaker 1: into the nitty gritty event at pick seventy four. How

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Speaker 1: do you marry what's off the board after the beginning

449
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Speaker 1: of Thursday into Friday, need versus position. I think it's

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Speaker 1: an eight to old conversation. You're one of the guys

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Speaker 1: who have crossed both sides, Dane, What do you see?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because you know, in the first round, especially with

453
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Speaker 6: those top fifteen picks, you know you take the best player.

454
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Speaker 6: You get the guy that is just you because you

455
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Speaker 6: don't the roster from your year, attrition, injuries, you know

456
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Speaker 6: it's going to change, and so you take the best

457
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Speaker 6: player available. But when you're talking about day two, rounds two,

458
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Speaker 6: rounds three, that's where you're really looking at target specific positions.

459
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Speaker 6: You want to get better on the defensive line, you

460
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Speaker 6: want to get better more better targets at wide receiver,

461
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Speaker 6: whatever it is. You know, you target those specific positions.

462
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Speaker 6: And you know with the Browns, obviously you just don't

463
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Speaker 6: know how those first seventy some picks are going to

464
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Speaker 6: play out, and so it's it's a waiting game. And

465
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Speaker 6: you know, of course they have their board and you

466
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Speaker 6: know they're they're running their own simulations. To get a

467
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Speaker 6: better sense of who could conceivably and realistically be there

468
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Speaker 6: with that pick. And you know, it's tough to do

469
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Speaker 6: because there's always surprises on draft night, and you know

470
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Speaker 6: there might be a player you think will be there

471
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Speaker 6: who's gone at pick forty. There might be a player

472
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Speaker 6: you thought no way is going to fall to you

473
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Speaker 6: and turns out he's he's there at seventy, and you know,

474
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Speaker 6: maybe you even think about moving up a few spots

475
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Speaker 6: to get one. I think there's a good chance we

476
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Speaker 6: see this team use some of those Day three picks

477
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Speaker 6: to maybe even move up a little bit if they want.

478
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Speaker 6: I don't think they use all their Day three picks,

479
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Speaker 6: especially in a draft like this, where I think it

480
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Speaker 6: really falls somewhere in that fourth round. I think the

481
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Speaker 6: talent falls off, not so at every position, but just

482
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Speaker 6: as a general whole. I do think that their Day

483
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Speaker 6: three is a little bit thin, So I wouldn't be

484
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Speaker 6: surprised if they, you know, maybe use a fifth or

485
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Speaker 6: six or seventh to try and try and move up

486
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Speaker 6: a little bit if the right guy is available.

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Speaker 3: Who would that be? In your mind, who would that

488
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Speaker 3: right guy be?

489
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Speaker 2: Who's the kind of the dream scenario is somebody that

490
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Speaker 2: people think might go in the third, second round, early

491
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Speaker 2: third that could be there at seventy four A we're talking,

492
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Speaker 2: is this like a Massie Smith? Is this a Benton

493
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Speaker 2: at defensive tackle? Who are you looking kind of in

494
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Speaker 2: that tackle edge maybe even safety range? That that would

495
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Speaker 2: be kind of that guy that the Browns might make

496
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Speaker 2: a move for that you'd like to see him make

497
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Speaker 2: a move for.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, two guys at defensive tackle that I can really

499
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Speaker 6: stand out as possibilities. You mentioned one of them. Keanu Benton,

500
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Speaker 6: sixty three and a half, three hundred and ten pounds, interchangeable,

501
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Speaker 6: can play the nose, can play the three. You know,

502
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Speaker 6: he has pass rush potential that we just haven't even

503
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Speaker 6: seen yet. And he's a young player for a fourth

504
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Speaker 6: year senior, he's just twenty one years old. A guy

505
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Speaker 6: that played the nose for the Badgers and they're three

506
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Speaker 6: man front, but you know, watch them at the Senior

507
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Speaker 6: Bowl one on ones where he had a chance to

508
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Speaker 6: show off that quickness and he did it at a

509
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Speaker 6: high level. So Keanu Benton, I think now I'd be surprised.

510
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Speaker 6: I think he got somewhere in the top fifty. He's

511
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 6: going to come off the board, teams need defensive tackles.

512
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Speaker 6: The other one Jervon Dexter from Florida. You know, he's

513
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Speaker 6: more of an upside pick, a guy where you see

514
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Speaker 6: the flashes and it's just like, okay, if our coaches

515
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Speaker 6: can just turn those flashes into consistency. You know, this

516
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 6: is a guy that's almost sixty six three pounds. Another

517
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Speaker 6: twenty one year old young player ran a four eight

518
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Speaker 6: forty A really athletic player's got a basketball background, and

519
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Speaker 6: you know when he was you know, got off the

520
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Speaker 6: snap with timing. It looks really good. He uses those

521
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Speaker 6: long levers where he's able to push blockers on their

522
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Speaker 6: heels create that interior disruption. But a lot of times

523
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Speaker 6: the snap anticipation wasn't there, and so that's something he

524
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Speaker 6: really needs to work on, that get off quickness with

525
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Speaker 6: the snap. If they did look at safety, man, I

526
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Speaker 6: would love to see Kawan Martin uh there. I mean,

527
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Speaker 6: he's he's one of my favorite players in the draft.

528
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Speaker 6: At Illinois five eleven one ninety five. The kind of

529
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 6: rotated him between single high and more of a nickel position,

530
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 6: but that he gives you that versatility. One of the

531
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Speaker 6: top athletes at the combine. It was a four four

532
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Speaker 6: six forty forty four inch vert over eleven in abroad.

533
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Speaker 6: This is a cut up athlete. He has range, He's

534
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Speaker 6: a pretty good tackler. He got better, I think every

535
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Speaker 6: single year in terms of running the alley and being

536
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Speaker 6: more consistent. He's kind of what I call a ninety

537
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Speaker 6: ten player. The first ninety percent you'll love the movement skills,

538
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 6: the ability to track the football. But that last last

539
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 6: ten percent needs to be a better finisher. But you know,

540
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Speaker 6: if somehow he were to fall into round three, that's

541
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Speaker 6: the type of player I think it's worth, you know,

542
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Speaker 6: maybe packaging a few Day three picks to go up

543
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Speaker 6: and you know, move up five to six spots. Make

544
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Speaker 6: sure you get a guy like Kawant Martin.

545
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Speaker 1: Dan, You're so excellent, your gorgeous. We thank you so

546
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Speaker 1: much for the time. Fall him on Twitter at dp

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Speaker 1: Brugler Dane Brugler from the Athletic, Thank you buddy anytime.

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Speaker 6: Thanks guys, the.

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Speaker 1: Great Dane Brugler, ohiown native from the Athletic joining us

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Speaker 1: on the hotline when we come back, Nathan one on

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Speaker 1: one with Brown's general manager Andrew Berry. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns Draft Preview Show on the University Hospitals

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown's Radio Network.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to the Cleveland Browns Draft Preview show with

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Speaker 4: the first pick. This is the University Hospitals Cleveland Brown's

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Speaker 4: Radio Network. Here again, Kim Carmen and Nathan Segura.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Cleveland Browns Draft Preview show all

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Speaker 2: along the University Hospitals Cleveland Brown's Radio Network. Very happy

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Speaker 2: not to be joined by the general manager. If you're

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns Andrew Berry ab an interesting one, right. Last

561
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Speaker 2: year you didn't pick until the third round, but you

562
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Speaker 2: didn't know that going into it. This year, you know

563
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Speaker 2: it going into it. Nothing's could change obviously, But how

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Speaker 2: does that change the mindset if at all? And should

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Speaker 2: people be paying attention to anything Thursday? Are you going

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Speaker 2: to say Thursday, just enjoy the shot.

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Speaker 7: So it does not change our first of all, thank

568
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Speaker 7: you for having me, Nate, but great, it does not

569
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Speaker 7: change the mindset for us in terms of preparation or approach.

570
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Speaker 7: We have, you know, eight picks they start in the

571
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Speaker 7: third round today. That could change for the better or

572
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 7: for the worse before you get to the draft or

573
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Speaker 7: during the draft. That being said, I think folks can

574
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Speaker 7: probably go to bed early on Thursday.

575
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Speaker 2: If I'm guessing. So for you, in the normal draft,

576
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Speaker 2: you would be watching for an opportunity to maybe present itself,

577
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Speaker 2: maybe late in the first round. On Thursday night. As

578
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Speaker 2: you said, they are sleep easy for the folks. So

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Speaker 2: what do you as a general manager thing? What do

580
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Speaker 2: you watch for?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so Thursday night, honestly, it's really about just getting

582
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Speaker 7: your thoughts organized for Friday. Obviously you want to see

583
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Speaker 7: You're probably more interested in what the board looks like,

584
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Speaker 7: you know, late in the evening. You know, there are

585
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Speaker 7: certain situations where you do have ongoing discussions with veteran

586
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Speaker 7: player trades because that may come into play in Day

587
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Speaker 7: two of the draft. But you know, honestly, it's it's

588
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 7: probably more of a day for you know, organization, you know,

589
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 7: more than anything, and you'll you'll kind of loosely monitor

590
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Speaker 7: the draft unless you have something active that may happen

591
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Speaker 7: on Thursday night.

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Speaker 2: Do do what all of us do, which is to say,

593
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Speaker 2: oh man, I really like this guy and then oh gosh,

594
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Speaker 2: the Ravens drafted him, or oh man, why do you

595
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Speaker 2: have to go into our division?

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Speaker 7: Or anything like that, or aestee not not not usually

597
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Speaker 7: not usually you'll you'll have that every year. There are

598
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Speaker 7: a lot of players that you end up liking that

599
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Speaker 7: you don't have access to, so you you kind of

600
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Speaker 7: maybe developed that, uh, that resiliency, so to speak, of

601
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Speaker 7: the course of your career.

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Speaker 2: All right, So Depot told us a story last year

603
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Speaker 2: that prior to the draft, and I don't know if

604
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Speaker 2: you guys have done this yet, but that basically everybody

605
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Speaker 2: was set asked of the final draft board. You know,

606
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Speaker 2: who's somebody down here you absolute wouldn't draft, And basically

607
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Speaker 2: it got to the point where like nobody was left

608
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Speaker 2: on the draft board. Have you guys done that this year?

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Speaker 5: And we usually do that next week, next week, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, next week after the fact, I'll be curious enough

611
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Speaker 2: there were some people that actually made it through that

612
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Speaker 2: because especially when you're looking our board, it's like you

613
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Speaker 2: said in you know, your press conference last week, you said, yeah,

614
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Speaker 2: we'll take Willanderson.

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Speaker 3: He's there at something for.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to be So your board is probably different,

617
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Speaker 2: and everybody that's on your board probably has some strengths,

618
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: maybe some horse like tendencies, and maybe there's some goose

619
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Speaker 2: to them as well, because that's why they're in the

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Speaker 2: third round.

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Speaker 5: No, that's that's that's exactly right.

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Speaker 7: So just you understanding that, and that happens probably earlier

623
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Speaker 7: in the draft than people than people realize. You know,

624
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Speaker 7: Number one, there are no perfect players, and the ones

625
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Speaker 7: with the fewest holes they go in the top ten.

626
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Speaker 7: But it's really about identifying players whose straints align with

627
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 7: your system, your scheme, your coaches, and may have a

628
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 7: weakness or two that could be developed and brought along

629
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Speaker 7: throughout their career.

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Speaker 2: Free agency you went through it was actually very busy.

631
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Speaker 2: I mean there were a lot of people brought back.

632
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Speaker 2: There are a lot of people added to this roster.

633
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Speaker 2: When you kind of sit back and look at what

634
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Speaker 2: you were able to accomplish in that point, which kind

635
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,239
Speaker 2: of provides the frameworker at least you know what your

636
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: roster stands going into this draft. What do you think

637
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: overall of the way that that unfolded for you?

638
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Speaker 7: You know, we're excited about the guys that we had,

639
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 7: and you know, every team is every year, so I

640
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 7: don't I don't think we're unique in that regard. You know,

641
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 7: we don't know how to play out till we get

642
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 7: guys on the grass, particularly in the fall. But you know,

643
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 7: we do think that we were able to solidify a

644
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 7: number of different areas on the team, and you know,

645
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Speaker 7: we're looking forward to seeing how it plays out over

646
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Speaker 7: the next several months.

647
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Speaker 2: When you go into it with a certain goal and

648
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Speaker 2: let's use a theoretical player, maybe with theoretical defensive tackle,

649
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Speaker 2: and you see that they end up signing for around

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00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: twenty two million a year, and then you look at

651
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Speaker 2: your team and you say, well, now I have for

652
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: actually a little bit less than that. I've got a

653
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: defensive tackle I like a lot, and a free safety

654
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: that I like a lot. Are those things when you

655
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: kind of go into it in one path and then

656
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Speaker 2: you have to pivot and you you'd said, we pivoted

657
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Speaker 2: a little bit on what we're going to be able

658
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Speaker 2: to do with safety, and I imagine maybe that played

659
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Speaker 2: a role in that. You know, is it kind of

660
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: fun when you think, oh, it could have been one guy,

661
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: but now it's two guys, and how that breaks down

662
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Speaker 2: and then is that something the kind of stay cognizant

663
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Speaker 2: of as it evolves over the next few years.

664
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Speaker 7: It's certainly something that you have to stay cognizant of

665
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 7: both in the moment and as you think through multi

666
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 7: year planning. You know, because again I talk about resource allocation,

667
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 7: that's picks and that's like how you allocate your contracts

668
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 7: as well. But it's it's all plays a role into it.

669
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Speaker 7: Player's choice also plays a role into it, you know, Nate,

670
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Speaker 7: So like you know, there have been times in the

671
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Speaker 7: past where you know where maybe we've been you know,

672
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 7: a higher bidder or a comparable bidder, but you know,

673
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 7: taxis climate, whatever has pushed a guy or scheme has

674
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 7: pushed a guy another you know, another direction, and that's

675
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Speaker 7: the case for all teams. So understanding going into it

676
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 7: that you can do a lot of work and you

677
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 7: can have you know, certain preferences, but it's just it's

678
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 7: just never gonna go one hundred perture of the way

679
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Speaker 7: that you plan.

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Speaker 2: How is it playing, because in some ways there has

681
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: to be somewhat of a game of chicken, right, and

682
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: that you're at the price point that you want You've

683
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Speaker 2: decided that's what you want this player to be on your.

684
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Speaker 3: Roster at that price point.

685
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Speaker 2: Their agent's job is to make you probably go above

686
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Speaker 2: that number for their client's best interest and kind of

687
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: slow playing it because you do. I think you've done

688
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: a very good job getting who you wanted very very early,

689
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Speaker 2: but then as free agency unfolds and maybe that's when

690
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Speaker 2: you are able to get better bargains, better deals, also

691
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Speaker 2: do that but still be getting premier type players. Is

692
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Speaker 2: that what what are those that go take it's just

693
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: behind the curve? What are those negotiations like? And is

694
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Speaker 2: that a fun part of your job, a stressful part

695
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Speaker 2: of job or both?

696
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Speaker 7: You know, I I uh, I'll be honest, I hate

697
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 7: free agency, like I I it really yeah, it's it's

698
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 7: it's uh, it's uh. It's a lot, and yeah it's

699
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 7: a lot in a short period of time, but it's

700
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Speaker 7: actually not because of the dealing with agents or agents

701
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Speaker 7: or players. I think for us, the way we think

702
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Speaker 7: of the negotiations are we do a lot of work

703
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 7: in the you know, really that starts right after the

704
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 7: trade deadline on free agency, trades, you name it. And

705
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Speaker 7: I think really negotiation is a lot about what is

706
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Speaker 7: your best alternative or how you think about your alternatives,

707
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 7: and that's you know that along with like what we

708
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 7: think the value is for the player, the skill set,

709
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 7: you know, drives our pricing. But that's where I says, like,

710
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Speaker 7: you can't be afraid to pivot, Like I think if

711
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 7: you get locked into you know, you know, one player

712
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 7: or one skill set, that's when you have a greater

713
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 7: chance to make mistakes.

714
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Speaker 5: I guess, unless like that's literally like you're you're only

715
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 5: you're only alternative.

716
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Speaker 7: But so we we really look at it that way,

717
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 7: But you can't. You just can't be afraid to pivot

718
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 7: because you know, when one door closes, it may offer

719
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 7: offer some flexibility in another area. And there's just kind

720
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Speaker 7: of more than one way to build a build a

721
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Speaker 7: competent team.

722
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Speaker 2: So you did you enjoy making a trade in that

723
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: period more than you enjoy the actual free agency process?

724
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Speaker 7: Probably depends on who I'm making the trade.

725
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 2: Away, Well, it seems like a pretty smooth one.

726
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 7: Jet Joe's awesome to deal with. Joe is awesome to

727
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 7: deal with. So that that's that's a good one.

728
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 3: That's a good and easy one.

729
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: Is that always a fun one too? When you make

730
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Speaker 2: a trade that you know you can walk to your

731
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: coaching staff and they're already pretty fire.

732
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Speaker 3: It is.

733
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Speaker 7: The harder ones are when, Yeah, the harder ones are

734
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 7: when you're not when you're maybe training someone away or

735
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 7: you know, not doing that as much. But the ones

736
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 7: where you know the staff is excited, obviously, it makes

737
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 7: it easier to pull the trigger.

738
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Speaker 2: How much with a guy like Elijah Moore, for example,

739
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: do you line what you guys thought of him coming

740
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: out of college versus what you saw with the Jets.

741
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 7: For a player as early in Elijah's career as he is,

742
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 7: there may be is a little bit of like the

743
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 7: college aspect, but it's largely pro because to some of

744
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 7: it, it doesn't really matter what you thought the player.

745
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 5: Was in college.

746
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 7: It's like, how are they performing now and what are

747
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 7: the contextual factors around their performance now? So with Elijah,

748
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 7: we felt really good about the skill set that he's

749
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 7: shown as a pro, his inside outside flexibility, his route

750
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 7: running and separation skills, as well as his hands, and

751
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 7: we think he complements our wide receiver corp very nicely.

752
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: And he's very happy to be here, which is those

753
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: things always seemed to be nice.

754
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 5: Sorry, So here we go.

755
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: Into this draft eight picks. I mean, we were doing

756
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: this messing around putting a fifty three together. There's a

757
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: pretty complete team. There's some obviously spots for competition. You know,

758
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: how do you kind of look at those eight guys

759
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: with an opportunity if it ends up being it could

760
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: be more, as you've said, could be end up being fewer.

761
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: How do you kind of look at that and then

762
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: opportunity to fit into a team that is pretty well

763
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Speaker 2: assembled at this point.

764
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Speaker 7: You know, I don't think that our mentality are My

765
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 7: mentality doesn't really change in that regard because I just

766
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 7: as much as I like to think things are settled now,

767
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 7: it's a little bit like free agency. Like things change,

768
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 7: like things change, and yes, you always hope they change

769
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 7: for the better, but there's usually some mix of bad

770
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 7: and good in terms of what actually ends up happening.

771
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 7: So I think we'll know a lot more at the

772
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 7: end of August. And you know, our goal is to

773
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 7: look if you if if if if we're in a

774
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 7: position where we have more players that we want to

775
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 7: keep than we can that's a good position to be

776
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 7: in because then at you know, at that point, if

777
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 7: you need to, like that's when you maybe make some

778
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 7: of those less popular trades that you know allows you

779
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 7: to continue to build into the future.

780
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Speaker 2: All Right, I'm not going to ask you anything about

781
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: what's going to happen, you know this week, because we'll

782
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: see it unfold in real time and it will be joyce.

783
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 3: But I will ask you.

784
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: Final one here, your favorite draft memory as a member

785
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 2: of the Cleveland Browns.

786
00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 5: First time.

787
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking I love it.

788
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 7: I don't know if this is the one that's going

789
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 7: to count, but honestly, it was twenty twenty one draft

790
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 7: birth of my daughter.

791
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: So got to my cap to hit him in the

792
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: heart right there.

793
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 5: Well done to Ab.

794
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: Always a pleasure to talk with you.

795
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: Best of luck this week as you continue to add

796
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty three Cleveland Browns.

797
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 7: OK. I appreciate you, Nate.

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00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: All right, we'll be back to the bore the cleveand

799
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Speaker 2: Browns Draft Preview show after this quick time out on

800
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Speaker 2: the University Hospitals Cleveland Brown's Radio network.

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Speaker 4: You are listening to the Cleveland Browns Draft preview show,

802
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 4: the Cleveland Browns Select. This is the University Hospitals Cleveland

803
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 4: Browns Radio Network.

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00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 5: Here again, Ken Carmen and Nathan Segura.

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Speaker 1: Draft coming to you Thursday night, first round at eight pm.

806
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: We'll be on with you all across University Hospitals Cleveland

807
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: Browns Radio Network. Then Night two Believe it All starts

808
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: at seven o'clock Eastern, rounds two and three, and then four,

809
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: five and six and seven. Yeah, good stuff, It's all

810
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: there starting Saturday. Nathan'll take you home as we get

811
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: you going for the twenty twenty three draft live from

812
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Speaker 1: Kansas City, Missouri. Lots going on around the league today.

813
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: A huge trade Nathan is finally culminated as the Jets

814
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: finally sent a bunch of picks out to the Packers. Now,

815
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: this is gonna be tough, but stay with me here, okay.

816
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: Packers agreed today to deal quarterback Aaron Rodgers and their

817
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three first round pick, it's number fifteen and

818
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty three fifth round pick number one seventy

819
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: to the Jets for New York's twenty twenty three first

820
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: round pick number thirteen and a twenty twenty three second

821
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Speaker 1: round pick number forty two, a twenty twenty three sixth

822
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: round pick that is number two oh seven, and a

823
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: conditional twenty twenty four second round pick that becomes a

824
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: first rounder if Rodgers plays sixty five percent of the

825
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: plays this season. I have been seeing which that'll end

826
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: up being a first rounder more than likely. I've seen

827
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: two sides to the and I think they're both kind

828
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: of silly. One is that the Packers got fleeced. Well,

829
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers didn't want to play there, and I think

830
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: they were ready to move on. Okay, So that's one

831
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: part of it. The other part of it is that

832
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: people are saying the Jets got fleeced, and I go, well,

833
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if your job is in the hands of

834
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, you go right on ahead. You got to

835
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: make that move. So I feel that you either have

836
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: the quarterback you don't have the quarterback. The Jets, we

837
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: know they have a good football team. We'll see them

838
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: on the Hall of Fame game week, and we will

839
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: see them during the regular season. They're a formidable opponent,

840
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: and now they have Aaron Rodgers, who is a really,

841
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: really good quarterback.

842
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: Nathan.

843
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: I think that's the price. The Packers got something back.

844
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: The Jets got something back in a way they go, I.

845
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: Think this is a great trade. From the Packers' perspective.

846
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: You basically get you swap the ones this year, and

847
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: now some people think they did that to make sure

848
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 2: they got ahead of the Patriots to get Jackson Smith

849
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: and Jigbo from thirteen to fifteen. You pick up a

850
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: two this year, six this year, and then next year

851
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: likely to be a one bar unless Rodgers gets hurt. Right,

852
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: So I think given I think Aaron Rodgers saying you

853
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: wanted to play for the Jets in the way it

854
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: all went down, actually gave the Packers the leverage to

855
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 2: get a better deal than people thought they were going

856
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: to get. I don't think that the Packers got fleecing

857
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: this in any way, shape or form. Aaron Rodgers wasn't

858
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: going to play for them, so they basically were able

859
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: to generate leverage I think, doing large part to Aaron

860
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: Rodgers himself and get I think a pretty good haul

861
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: here for Aaron Rodgers. Now from the Jets perspective, you

862
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,479
Speaker 2: get Aaron Rodgers, so that's a win. I do think though,

863
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: we will look at this trade for the Jets and say,

864
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: barring at a minimum an AFC Championship appearance, and really

865
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 2: I think the ultimate goal is a Super Bowl win.

866
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: This is not what would not be a successful trade

867
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Speaker 2: if they don't accomplish that.

868
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: Well, I think that you give them, you give yourself

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Speaker 1: an opening. I wonder what the bottom barrel, bottom rung

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Speaker 1: of expectations are, not hope, but expectations. I think that

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Speaker 1: if you're a Jet fan, I go, well, you're listening

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Speaker 1: to the Browns and we thank you very much. But

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Speaker 1: if you were a Jet fan, you'd be sitting there going, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess you got to look at an AFC chainampionship

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Speaker 1: birth because I think it's so hard, and I think

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers knows that how hard it is to go

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Speaker 1: further in the NFL postseason, and Aaron Rodgers has lived

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Speaker 1: that nightmare a bunch of times for the Jets. Again,

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Speaker 1: it's simple, do you have the quarterback or do you

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Speaker 1: not have the quarterback? Now, I don't know what Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson holds. I have no idea what the future is

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Speaker 1: there in Baltimore. We're gonna I think we might find

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Speaker 1: something out here by Thursday or certainly by this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what is there. So you look at

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Speaker 1: the realistic options. Still, Zach Wilson a quarterback, if you

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Speaker 1: wanted to move up in the draft you could have

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Speaker 1: or Aaron Rodgers. Well, I know Aaron Rodgers is good

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Speaker 1: and probably still has a couple of good years left.

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Speaker 1: How good I'm not sure. Probably not MVP, but still

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Speaker 1: pretty good. I know that he's really really good. The

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Speaker 1: draft is a bit of a crap shoot, and I

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Speaker 1: just can't put my job on the line for Zach Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Nathan and I couldn't. No agreed, they had to make

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Speaker 1: a move at CORNA to do it. They had to

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Speaker 1: do it, and they get They're able to get Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers questions, is last year a little bit of an anomaly?

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Speaker 2: You know, his completion percentage was down yards, down, touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: down interceptions were the most that he's thrown since twenty

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Speaker 2: ten when he threw twelve last year. To put that

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Speaker 2: in perspective, he had thrown exactly fifteen in the prior

901
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Speaker 2: four season combined, and he threw twelve last year.

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Speaker 3: So that's something you're wondering about.

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Speaker 2: But it was, you know, it was the MVP in

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Speaker 2: twenty and twenty one, so you're just a year removed

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Speaker 2: from that. He will be forty this season. But yet

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Speaker 2: you have to have a quarterback to compete, especially in

907
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Speaker 2: this conference, and now this is this is probably the

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Speaker 2: most talented conference of quarterbacks that the NFL's ever had.

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Speaker 2: When do you think about the guys that are all

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Speaker 2: going to be spinning the ball here in the AFC

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Speaker 2: this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a ton, I mean from top to bottom.

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Speaker 1: I mean the I believe it's a little bit easier,

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Speaker 1: but I mean when you think about some of the guys,

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Speaker 1: you still have Trumor Lawrence there and it looks like

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Speaker 1: he's got fixed by Doug Peterson. So it really is

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Speaker 1: a cavalcade of exceptional quarterback play. And we know from

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Speaker 1: last year. We went into twenty twenty too, thinking it

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Speaker 1: was gonna be an incredible season of quarterbacks and some

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Speaker 1: guys rose up, some guys fell apart. Kind of went

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Speaker 1: that way a little bit. So we'll find out here

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. Real quick, What do you think

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Speaker 1: if anything happens with Lamar Jackson this week, do they

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Speaker 1: get out of the week with him still with the

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Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens, And if so, what do you think he

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Speaker 1: ends up doing.

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Speaker 2: I've said all along, and I would, by the way,

928
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Speaker 2: be thrilled to be wrong about this, and I'd love

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Speaker 2: to see him go end up in the NFC. But

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Speaker 2: I think he's playing for the Ravens or he's not playing.

931
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Speaker 2: I think he's play for the Ravens or he's not playing.

932
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's playing for somebody else, And again

933
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Speaker 2: thrilled to be wrong, because it does feel like the

934
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Speaker 2: landing spot would be in the NFC. And by the way,

935
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Speaker 2: any team in the NFC that makes that move, other

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Speaker 2: than if you're in the NFC East or maybe the West,

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Speaker 2: but even in the West, it's possible you're a favorite

938
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Speaker 2: to win your division, certainly in the South. Certainly in

939
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Speaker 2: the South and I was, and in the North.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been a fan of Lamar for a long time,

941
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Speaker 1: but there's been one thing holding me back, and that's

942
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Speaker 1: obviously that he's a quarterback for the Baltimore Ravens. So

943
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Speaker 1: if they were to send him to the NFC, I

944
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Speaker 1: would be able to fully embrace him and go and

945
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Speaker 1: hope that his career blossoms from here. But we'll find

946
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Speaker 1: out later this week because I thought for sure that

947
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Speaker 1: if they're gonna make a move, it would happen probably

948
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Speaker 1: Thursday night, Wednesday night somewhere in there. So we're about

949
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Speaker 1: to find out here over the next forty eight hours

950
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Speaker 1: what is exactly gonna happen. Because after this I think

951
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Speaker 1: that you take your roughly thirty three million dollars and

952
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Speaker 1: you play for the Ravens and that's still a lot

953
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Speaker 1: of money. And see what you can do if you're

954
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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson in that sense. So much more coming up

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Speaker 1: throughout the show, we'll tell you what we think the

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Speaker 1: Browns should do with some of these picks of bold

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Speaker 1: prediction coming up, and of course we'll preview all the

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Speaker 1: draft covered. Starting on Thursday night at eight pm. You're

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Speaker 1: listening to the Cleveland Browns Draft Preview show on the

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Speaker 1: University Hospitals Cleveland Browns Radio Network.

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Speaker 4: You are listening to the Cleveland Browns Draft preview show,

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Speaker 4: the Cleveland Browns Select. This is the University Hospitals Cleveland

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Speaker 4: Brown's Radio Network.

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Speaker 5: Here again Kane Carmen and Nathan Segura.

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Speaker 1: Thursday night, the draft begins eight pm to midnight, myself,

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Speaker 1: Nathan Segura, Girod Cherry. Night two Friday night seven pm. Now,

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Speaker 1: now I would excuse me to noon to midnight. It'll

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Speaker 1: be Nathan Zigura, myself and Times Powell. And then Day

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Speaker 1: three Saturday noon Easter into four pm, it'll be Nathan

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Speaker 1: Zigurra and Gerrod Cherry and of course We'll have the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns Draft review show next Monday, May first, Nathan,

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Speaker 1: gotta go quick. Do the Browns make more picks on

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Speaker 1: offense or defense this week?

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Speaker 2: I think defense. I think you're pretty set on offense

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Speaker 2: going into this draft.

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Speaker 1: What is a bold prediction if there is one.

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Speaker 2: My bold prediction right now is not for us, but

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Speaker 2: is that the Texans aren't going to take a quarterback

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Speaker 2: at two, which is wild to me. I think I

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Speaker 2: take as many swings as you can. I think that's wild.

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Speaker 2: But I think for us, I think we will draft

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Speaker 2: a running back and I think.

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Speaker 3: We will draft a quarterback in this draft.

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Speaker 1: Casserio, I know, what are you doing?

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Speaker 3: That would be crazy?

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Speaker 1: Well, I have a lot to talk about in the

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Speaker 1: eight o'clock hour coming up on Thursday, And yes, we'll

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Speaker 1: be with you at eight o'clock on Thursday, and Nathan SAGERA, Jerrod, Jerry,

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Speaker 1: and myself. Big thanks as always to Meredith Caine, our producer,

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Speaker 1: as well as executive producer Jason Gibbs, doing a wonderful

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Speaker 1: job as always, I mean, fantastic people they are. Make

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Speaker 1: sure you join us on Thursday at eight pm all

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Speaker 1: throughout the weekend, all along the network for Nathan Zegera,

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Speaker 1: I'm Ken Carmon. Thank you for listening to the Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Browns Draft Preview Show the University Hospitals Cleveland Browns Radio Network.

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