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Speaker 3: Well, we've got one here from Paulie. Okay, and I'm
Speaker 3: trying to find the common thread amongst these teas other
Speaker 3: than what the question actually is. The team people have
Speaker 3: the hardest time buying into that you think is most
Speaker 3: likely to make it to the super Bowl. It's a
Speaker 3: little wordy.
Speaker 4: Let me repeat that for you.
Speaker 3: Okay, team that people have a hard time buying into
Speaker 3: that you think is most likely to make it to
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So we're talking about the Lions and the Jaguars.
Speaker 3: Okay, Now, Lions and Jaguars are in there, right you
Speaker 3: have the five and two Jaguars, the five and one Lions,
Speaker 3: then you have the Rams at three and three, you
Speaker 3: have the Seahawks at three and two, and the Steelers
Speaker 3: at three and two. I feel like this is actually
Speaker 3: a statement from Paul about how he doesn't believe in
Speaker 3: the Jaguars and the Lions because he's throwing five teams
Speaker 3: that have won five games in with these other middle
Speaker 3: of the packers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, erroneous, but not the Packers. Not the Packers. No,
Speaker 1: they're not on this of the middle of the packers. Yes, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: So should the Jags and Lions be in with these teams? Yeah?
Speaker 5: So I'm looking at there's certain teams like the Dolphins
Speaker 5: or the Eagles that everyone thinks has a good chance
Speaker 5: to be in the Super Bowl. There's a next tier
Speaker 5: to me, and I think historically no one believes in
Speaker 5: the Lions of the Jaguars. Like it's hard to picture
Speaker 5: the Jaguars with their uniforms in the Super Bowl, even
Speaker 5: though they've been really close.
Speaker 1: Wait, it's their uniforms. No, it's the helmets.
Speaker 6: The helmets, yes, when there's two tone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, when they weren't finished, it was like they
Speaker 1: didn't finish the helmet.
Speaker 5: They are better, but it's hard to picture the Jaguars
Speaker 5: in a super Bowl, Like it's hard to picture the
Speaker 5: Lions in a super Bowl. And these other teams like
Speaker 5: Seattle's pretty good like week to week, they're pretty good
Speaker 5: last year.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't put them in there with I think
Speaker 1: it's just there. Which team do you believe in more
Speaker 1: could make the Super Bowl? The Jags or the Lions.
Speaker 1: But now I think people are going to say the Lions.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why I want to throw some steams like
Speaker 5: the Steelers, I think are are difficult.
Speaker 1: I'd put the Ravens in there over the Steelers.
Speaker 5: But I think people could see the Ravens in the
Speaker 5: super Bowl because they've been there and they've got quality
Speaker 5: coaching in they've done it before, like the Steelers has
Speaker 5: been a long time, and Kenny Pickett doesn't seem threatening.
Speaker 5: But that defense could throw a shut out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're it feels like you're stating two different things.
Speaker 5: Correct, You're right. It is a multi tiered poll question.
Speaker 1: As they say, yeah, I don't like to do that
Speaker 1: too early in the morning to the audience.
Speaker 3: How many layers of this onion are appealing back Paul.
Speaker 6: You don't like Onions, Dan, No, I do not, No,
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 1: Not, okay any anything else that. But I if I
Speaker 1: said the Lions or the Jags, you got to pick
Speaker 1: one to go to the Super Bowl this year, who
Speaker 1: would you pick? Todd?
Speaker 2: Lions? For two reasons.
Speaker 7: One, I think they've got an easier path than the
Speaker 7: AFC to get to the Super Bowl. And I think
Speaker 7: in general, the Lions are a better team than Jackson.
Speaker 1: I ain't seat o' connor. Lions are Jags.
Speaker 3: Does Doug Peterson not help boost the Jags a little bit? Sure,
Speaker 3: that's a fellow who's been there and done it rather
Speaker 3: than a head coach.
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, I think having a coach who's won a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, you got a franchise quarterback, and you have
Speaker 1: a really good defense and a defense that I think
Speaker 1: leads the NFL in turnovers takeaways. Got to factor that in.
Speaker 1: You're in a winnable division. You could get home field advantage,
Speaker 1: you know, keep in mind they came back beat the
Speaker 1: Chargers last year and then they gave Kansas City a
Speaker 1: good go in Kansas City last year.
Speaker 3: Yes, seton watching the Jaguars last night, though, I don't
Speaker 3: think they struck me as a Super Bowl contending team
Speaker 3: that maybe, you know what, this year they're putting it together,
Speaker 3: but next year they might really be onto something.
Speaker 4: So I'd have to take the Lions this year.
Speaker 1: Okay, Marvin, what about you.
Speaker 2: Just because they have the league MVP. I'm gonna go Lions.
Speaker 1: Oh, Jared gonf is your MVP.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's his to lose, right him?
Speaker 2: And Michael Pennis, it's yours to lose.
Speaker 1: Okay, Michael Pennis with the Heisman. Okay, Paulie uh.
Speaker 5: Clearly the Lions just because San Francisco seems like there
Speaker 5: are a couple injuries away from having another thing like
Speaker 5: last year. And Philly's been too The Philadelphia Eagles games
Speaker 5: have been too close this year, way too close.
Speaker 6: They're keeping too many teams in.
Speaker 1: And then Philly's got the Dolphins coming up on Sunday
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Speaker 1: up with the poll question. We have our play of
Speaker 1: the day, stat of the day. We'll talk to great
Speaker 1: college football writer, well, we'll talk to maybe a couple
Speaker 1: of football writers. Ross Dellinger from Yahoo Sports. We got
Speaker 1: a little controversy going on Michigan Wolverines. I'm not quite
Speaker 1: sure exactly what Michigan is accused of, but sign stealing
Speaker 1: with they videotaping and opponent. There's a rule that's been
Speaker 1: in place for thirty years where you can't have somebody
Speaker 1: go to a game to scout an opponent that you
Speaker 1: get video and it's compiled and given to the team
Speaker 1: so they can It's complicated. Maybe it's not complicated, but
Speaker 1: it sounds complicated. But did Michigan get an unfair advantage?
Speaker 1: Are they? You know, there's a source who told ESPN
Speaker 1: this is worse than the Patriots spygate and worse than
Speaker 1: the Astro signs stealing in the playoffs in the World Series.
Speaker 1: I went, okay, now you got my attention. But I
Speaker 1: also maintain, if you're under investigation, you're probably playing pretty well.
Speaker 1: You know, it's rare when you go, oh, that team's
Speaker 1: under investigation and they're not any good. It's like Kansas basketball.
Speaker 1: They're always under investigation and they're always good. And then
Speaker 1: here's Michigan. Michigan's back controversy. Jim Harbaugh in trouble again.
Speaker 1: Jim said he didn't know anything about this sign stealing.
Speaker 1: Do you need to steal signs to beat Rutgers in
Speaker 1: Michigan State? I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 8: Oh, yes, Mark, they're scrappy, gritty and gutty.
Speaker 1: Oh they are gritty and gutty. Of course they are.
Speaker 2: They did have that big fourth quarter comeback records, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they did. Can't sleep on the scar at night sometimes,
Speaker 2: Thank you to uh.
Speaker 1: Michigan goes into their rivalry game this Saturday at Michigan State.
Speaker 1: The Spartan staff was notified of the situation. Earlier this week.
Speaker 1: Two of Michigan's opponents told Yahoo Sports they became aware
Speaker 1: Michigan knew their play signs. Sign stealing does not violate
Speaker 1: NCAA rules unless the team uses in game electronic equipment
Speaker 1: to relay the information to players on the field or
Speaker 1: amongst the coaches. There's a football code here. The rulebook
Speaker 1: does express the need for coaches to follow this so
Speaker 1: called football code and states that quote, only the highest
Speaker 1: standards of sportsmanship and conduct are expected of players, coaches,
Speaker 1: and others associated with the game. Stealing signs is a
Speaker 1: gray area. Clemson is believed to have been particularly adept
Speaker 1: at that in the past. According to Yahoo's Sports, they
Speaker 1: did win a lot. Let's see. At the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one Sugar Bowl, Ohio State quarterback Justin Field said he
Speaker 1: huddled to call plays more often in an effort to
Speaker 1: prevent Clemson from stealing signs. Other teams have used curtains,
Speaker 1: hard to read colors, and other methods to disguise their
Speaker 1: play calls. Now, Michigan is already under investigation for a
Speaker 1: couple of Level two Roule violations.
Speaker 6: Go, I'm a Michigan fan.
Speaker 1: This is fantastic. Yes, it is true. Whenever your team's
Speaker 1: under investigation, you're like, all right, I like it. We're back, yeah,
Speaker 1: Florida Urban Meyer, Yeah, we're winning. Man, we're good. If
Speaker 1: you're under investigation and you're not good, you're not cheating
Speaker 1: well enough.
Speaker 6: Yes, Poe, Maybe the NSA to give Michigan State Michigan
Speaker 6: signs this weekend and make it a bit of a game.
Speaker 6: D you see Harbaugh's.
Speaker 5: Statement, though he went full He went everything. He said,
Speaker 5: I didn't know, nobody knew we're going to cooperate.
Speaker 1: Well what did you think he was going to say?
Speaker 6: But he gave every angle. I don't.
Speaker 5: I have no knowledge of this. No one that my
Speaker 5: staff has acknaledgius. I didn't direct it. I didn't know
Speaker 5: about it. I didn't participate it. I have no awareness
Speaker 5: that anyone.
Speaker 1: Is there's somebody who is gone rogue on Michigan's staff
Speaker 1: because they have a guy who used to work he
Speaker 1: went to the Naval Academy. He's got ties to Michigan.
Speaker 1: Maybe he went to Michigan and he is the one there.
Speaker 1: They're they're going to seize.
Speaker 6: His computer or an identity stuff.
Speaker 1: This is serious. Yes, it's Treadstone.
Speaker 6: It's great Michigan's back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, Todd.
Speaker 7: It is fascinating that they found someone with some kind
Speaker 7: of military background to put it towards the analytics of
Speaker 7: sports and fighting on the field.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, well, uh we'll explore this coming up here
Speaker 1: in a little litle bit. Ross Dellinger, who wrote the
Speaker 1: article for Who's Sports, on just how serious this is
Speaker 1: with Michigan.
Speaker 8: Yes, Marvin I'm putting money on Michigan to win the
Speaker 8: national title.
Speaker 1: Now, well they're the favorites. Michigan's the favorite. And keep
Speaker 1: in mind what's happened here at Michigan because when Harball
Speaker 1: took over, Lloyd Carr I think left in seven and
Speaker 1: this was the winning his football program in history. And
Speaker 1: they certainly had a dip there with a coach hope.
Speaker 2: Not good.
Speaker 1: And then Harball comes in to rescue his alma mater
Speaker 1: and everybody's got high hopes there. They don't beat Ohio State,
Speaker 1: get blown out, and then all of a sudden, he's
Speaker 1: flirting with the NFL. Job, could be in jeopardy, salary cut,
Speaker 1: still flirting with the NFL, and then we have some
Speaker 1: violations here, and now Michigan football is back. Yes, Paulie.
Speaker 5: It was only three years ago that COVID year where
Speaker 5: they played six games and Harbaugh was two and four
Speaker 5: and he was going to give up his paycheck, and
Speaker 5: people are this is the time to replace him. Since
Speaker 5: then he was twelve and two, thirteen and one, and
Speaker 5: he's seven and oh so far this season.
Speaker 1: Ye, all right, So what's any other poll questions there?
Speaker 3: Seaton, We have a couple from the to double d Oh, okay, what.
Speaker 1: Do you want Todd to read them?
Speaker 3: We might want to save these for a minute, but
Speaker 3: uh yeah, I think Todd should read them.
Speaker 1: It feels like there's a story. By the way, I
Speaker 1: had a real tough decision I had a real tough
Speaker 1: decision to make last.
Speaker 6: Night about Todd.
Speaker 1: No, no, not about Todd. No no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: That's always a tough decision.
Speaker 1: No no, no no, there's nothing no decision there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: i'll tell you about it coming up here. But I
Speaker 1: had a real tough decision to make last night, and
Speaker 1: it had to do with music. Had to do with
Speaker 1: oh speaking music. Today's musical theme on the program is
Speaker 1: going to be.
Speaker 8: We're doing favorite songs for movies. Okay, all right, and
Speaker 8: we got some good ones.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: How did this come about?
Speaker 8: Well, we were just talking about Rocky Rip Burt Young,
Speaker 8: and I was like, that's a pretty iconic, you know, soundtrack.
Speaker 8: So I was like, you know what your favorite songs
Speaker 8: from movies, guys? Okay, pick one?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So that'll be sprinkled in throughout the
Speaker 1: program there, correct, And then when we come back, we'll
Speaker 1: explore a little bit more what Michigan is doing wrong
Speaker 1: or at least accused of. And then I'll tell you
Speaker 1: my musical dilemma.
Speaker 7: Yes, Tom, if you're playing against Jim Harbo, Now if
Speaker 7: you're the other coach, are you bothering to cover your
Speaker 7: mouth now with the whole you know, the whole score.
Speaker 1: Boy, I don't know why you don't do it to
Speaker 1: begin with.
Speaker 2: I mean, I want to cover your mouth with your playbook.
Speaker 2: He already knows all the plays.
Speaker 1: It seems well, I would still do that, but Sean
Speaker 1: Payton had his playsheet. There, you're Broncos head coach. We
Speaker 1: could read the plays on his playsheet. I mean that's
Speaker 1: national TV.
Speaker 2: Now, teams are gonna beat us.
Speaker 1: Hey, you got green Bay coming to town?
Speaker 2: Good time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the line on that? Denver's got to be favored.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say three and a half. So they're not
Speaker 1: really favored, it's they're playing at home. I'll say Denver
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Speaker 1: Marvin was gonna say, do you want to play a
Speaker 1: little bit of the podcast. Let me tell you one time.
Speaker 7: The Packers are only one point favorite against the Broncos.
Speaker 7: If I'm reading this right, that's what I'm looking at.
Speaker 7: Drefftkings three hours ago one point favorite against Denver.
Speaker 1: Are the Packers hosting the Broncos. I thought that was
Speaker 1: in Denver for some reason.
Speaker 2: I thought it was in Denver too. The Packers are
Speaker 2: at the Broncos.
Speaker 1: And the Broncos are underdogs at home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, about mile High Magic Left is a long time ago.
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Speaker 6: That fixes in.
Speaker 1: I would say this is seat O'Connors heck yeah, dudeeah,
Speaker 1: breakfast Club heck yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: I based most of my high school persona on this movie.
Speaker 4: You kidding?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, pulling, and this is uh.
Speaker 5: This song is as tied to a movie as any
Speaker 5: song ever. In my opinion, this is a bender when
Speaker 5: he's leaving jenn Nelson with his fists in the air
Speaker 5: and the song is railing.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, last year's calendar, I think
Speaker 3: we did movie scenes and I did bender with his arm.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's my guy man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you see this good movie.
Speaker 4: This is what you get for spilling paint in the garage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a good movie, all right. So the
Speaker 1: music theme today on Meet Friday is favorite songs, famous
Speaker 1: songs from movies. He's Ross Dellinger. He's been busy, Yahoo's
Speaker 1: sports senior writer covering college football, and Michigan's in a
Speaker 1: little bit of trouble, or at least they appeared to
Speaker 1: be in a little bit of trouble. Ross joining us. Now, Ross,
Speaker 1: how this story come to light?
Speaker 9: Let's see it capping pretty quickly as these things do.
Speaker 9: It was probably Wednesday late afternoon kinda we got a
Speaker 9: tip at Yahoo, Dan Wetzel and I about it and
Speaker 9: started to pursue it, and Wednesday night didn't really have it,
Speaker 9: but we understood what happened, which was the NCAA had
Speaker 9: started an investigation into Michigan, separate investigation from the one
Speaker 9: they were already conducting, and they had alerted the Big
Speaker 9: Kin on late Wednesday afternoon or Wednesday evening, and then
Speaker 9: in the Big Ten, the Big Kin alerted Michigan's opponent's
Speaker 9: future opponents, including Michigan State.
Speaker 10: So that's kind of how the word leaked out.
Speaker 1: So walk me through the accusations.
Speaker 9: Well, the main act, you know, sign stealing is pretty
Speaker 9: prevalent in college football. It's not illegal. It's not against
Speaker 9: NCAA rules to steal a team signs from the broadcast
Speaker 9: or during a game in signaling them in. I mean,
Speaker 9: none of that is illegal. What is illegal in this situation, specifically,
Speaker 9: is how the signs were stolen. In nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 9: so this goes back almost thirty years, the NCAA implemented
Speaker 9: a rule prohibiting in person scout outing at future opponents
Speaker 9: games and The theory is that Michigan is at obtaining
Speaker 9: this play or signed stealing information right from from attending
Speaker 9: in person games, so scouting games, which again was illegal.
Speaker 9: So that's kind of the focus right now. But plenty
Speaker 9: of teams, you know, steal signals right Clemson has been
Speaker 9: known for years in Brint Vinnables and it's no secret
Speaker 9: among the coaching community for being really adept at in
Speaker 9: game stealing of signs and maybe preparing beforehand through broadcast
Speaker 9: and stuff. But obviously the NCAA has some kind of
Speaker 9: credible evidence that Michigan got this in let's say, at lease.
Speaker 9: It weighs different ways than just in game or from
Speaker 9: the broadcast.
Speaker 1: How big a deal is this, well.
Speaker 9: You know, that is a great question, and it depends
Speaker 9: on who you ask there. There are certainly several people
Speaker 9: who kind of roll their eyes at this, even knowing
Speaker 9: that Michigan could have done something that others don't normally
Speaker 9: do to get signs, they kind of put their hands
Speaker 9: up and say, what's the big deal here?
Speaker 10: Doesn't the NCAA have other things to do?
Speaker 9: But obviously this has been going on for at least
Speaker 9: a year. It goes back to least last season, and
Speaker 9: it started to spread through the Big Ten and Big
Speaker 9: Ten coaching community about Michigan's expert on staff in stealing signs,
Speaker 9: and it did, you know, change the way certainly they coach, right,
Speaker 9: they change instead of signaling in plays, a lot of
Speaker 9: teams started using wristbands instead or huddling instead. So it
Speaker 9: does have an impact. But you're it's a great Q question,
Speaker 9: and a lot of people kind of wonder why the
Speaker 9: NCAA is wasting their time.
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh said, he knows nothing about this, but the
Speaker 1: report is the NCAA wants to get the computer or
Speaker 1: has the computer or somebody who is I guess unofficially
Speaker 1: on the staff at Michigan. Does that kind of characterize
Speaker 1: the situation.
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's an analyst, and we learned some of this
Speaker 9: information yesterday.
Speaker 10: He's kind of a very low level analyst. Was in
Speaker 10: the Navy.
Speaker 9: Actually, Connor Stallions has since his name kind of had
Speaker 9: gotten out, he has fence scrubbed all of his social media,
Speaker 9: which probably is some kind of indictment on the fact
Speaker 9: that he is involved. And I actually have pictures of
Speaker 9: him on the sideline signaling in place or signaling in
Speaker 9: the signs.
Speaker 10: Of what the opposing coach is doing, which.
Speaker 9: Again isn't completely rare, right, We've seen it, but it's
Speaker 9: how he got that information, how he got these these
Speaker 9: signals from the opponent.
Speaker 10: It's clearly done more than just the normal ways. Uh.
Speaker 10: And the NCAA is starting to looking into that.
Speaker 9: Like you said, ESPN had reported that they're looking into
Speaker 9: his computer and such. But but there it is a
Speaker 9: it is an obvious kind of known thing in the
Speaker 9: in the Big Ten, at schools in the Big Ten,
Speaker 9: that this is the person that stands on the sideline
Speaker 9: next to jesse mentor the defensive coordinator in Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 9: and does that gesture when when the offense before the
Speaker 9: offense takes a snap.
Speaker 1: What are you guys working on today?
Speaker 9: You and Dan Winston, Well this right here right, I mean,
Speaker 9: ESPN had some of it last night about about the
Speaker 9: analyst whose signals in the plays. We have a little
Speaker 9: more info about this situation. You know, he is apparently
Speaker 9: is at the center of kind of this investigation. And
Speaker 9: he is a guy that I think again within the
Speaker 9: Big Ten coaching ranks, they they pointed toward him as
Speaker 9: being the signaler and a lot of schools this this
Speaker 9: season alone, to two schools that Michigan played went from
Speaker 9: the most part went without signaling in the game because
Speaker 9: they knew that this was apparently a thing that Michigan did,
Speaker 9: and they just used the wristbands.
Speaker 10: So it's just another FOLLO up story on exactly what's
Speaker 10: going on here and what's to come.
Speaker 1: Can it affect Michigan this year?
Speaker 9: Well, the NCAA DAN operates slowly. The only I like
Speaker 9: to say the only body that operates slower is Congress.
Speaker 9: And now the NCAA and Congress have come together, right.
Speaker 9: I was just at my ninth NIL hearing earlier earlier
Speaker 9: this week here on I'll live in d C here
Speaker 9: on Capitol Hill, and.
Speaker 10: So things things work slowly though in the NCAAA.
Speaker 1: Where are we with NIL and the government's involvement in this?
Speaker 9: Well, the NCAA wants the government involved, which is a rarity, right,
Speaker 9: and they've been encouraging Congress for four years now to
Speaker 9: produce some kind of federal law that governs in IL.
Speaker 9: But the attention DAN has really turned away from AIL.
Speaker 9: And I wrote about this earlier this week at Yahoo
Speaker 9: after the hearing, is that the focus instead of NIL
Speaker 9: has really been on these court cases and the employment
Speaker 9: athlete employment, which is most would say is on the
Speaker 9: way that athletes will be considered employees at.
Speaker 10: Some point by the courts.
Speaker 9: And now the NCAAA, instead of encouraging Congress just for
Speaker 9: an NIL bill, they want to build that protects them
Speaker 9: from the courts, that protects their athletes, they say, from
Speaker 9: being employees.
Speaker 10: So that's kind of the main focus right now.
Speaker 1: Well, I know you've got a busy weekend. Ross, thanks
Speaker 1: for spending some time with us. Good Dann, Thank you,
Speaker 1: Ross Dellinger. He's a senior writer covering college football. Yahoo's Sports.
Speaker 1: He and Dan Wetze will do a wonderful John. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if anything comes of this. It's interesting.
Speaker 1: Usually when a team is successful, that's when you're under investigation.
Speaker 1: It's rare when you have a bad team. And maybe
Speaker 1: it's because we don't focus on a bad team under investigation.
Speaker 1: I was surprised the NCAA was involved in this because
Speaker 1: normally they're like, you know, it's like Mayberry when Andy
Speaker 1: Griffith would run the jail. You know, you basically had
Speaker 1: to go in and you know, allow yourself into jail.
Speaker 1: Who was the town drunk Otis. Otis, Yeah, Otis would
Speaker 1: just go, you know, leave the key and all lock
Speaker 1: myself up. That's kind of how the NCAAA has to
Speaker 1: find somebody like, wait, can you give us all the
Speaker 1: information and do all the work for us? All right,
Speaker 1: we're investigating Michigan now, but now you're going to see
Speaker 1: somebody's computer. Sounds a little more serious than that. And
Speaker 1: Jim Harball maintains innocence, he knows nothing about it. I
Speaker 1: want to know what he knows about this guy who's
Speaker 1: on his staff. Is he employed? Did he go rogue?
Speaker 1: Did he go?
Speaker 10: Hey?
Speaker 1: I want to impress these guys, so maybe I can
Speaker 1: get a better job. Maybe I'm a defensive coordinator in waiting.
Speaker 1: Something just seems odd that, Hey, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do. Don't tell coach I'm going to do this. Hey,
Speaker 1: I got some signals here. Hey, that's pretty good. Where'd
Speaker 1: you get it? And do you think At some point,
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator may say to Jim Harbaugh, Hey, this
Speaker 1: guy Connor's Stallion. What a great name, by the way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it sounds like he works in a different industry,
Speaker 6: if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bound chick a bound.
Speaker 5: Or they wonder where the guy was every weekend when
Speaker 5: he was at the other team's games scouting them out.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I have a question after the hearing Ross Dellinger, do
Speaker 5: you guys feel that this is a dumb rule or
Speaker 5: an end or like cheating?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what kind of electronic communication that
Speaker 1: they're intercepting or is involved. I think it's it's it's
Speaker 1: more than just hey, we're kind of deciphering what your
Speaker 1: hand signals are. I think there's more to this, and
Speaker 1: that's why it's If there's a quote from a Big
Speaker 1: ten source who says this is worse than the Patriots
Speaker 1: spygate and worse than the Astros, well, how does it
Speaker 1: get worse than that?
Speaker 4: One of those wasn't really a big deal.
Speaker 1: The Astros sign stealing with the garbage? Can that one?
Speaker 4: That one was a real cheating scandal the other was invented?
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, yeah, yes, yes both.
Speaker 5: The other weird part of the story Apparently it's it's
Speaker 5: not legal to send a scout feamer team to your
Speaker 5: a team you're playing in a couple weeks to their
Speaker 5: game in person to scout them, but you can get
Speaker 5: tape of the game and use that.
Speaker 1: They give you tape, They give you tape.
Speaker 5: And everyone has the same process. You can't physically send
Speaker 5: someone to the stadium to scout ahead of time. That's
Speaker 5: how I thought, that's how scotting was done, that you
Speaker 5: actually sent someone to be in the boots.
Speaker 1: Well, but you're scouting by looking at their signals, right,
Speaker 1: so that you're not looking at what's going on in
Speaker 1: the field, you're looking at the signals. Yeah.
Speaker 3: See, that's an interesting clue as to who this may
Speaker 3: be coming from. Who does Michigan have in the next
Speaker 3: couple handful of weeks. Could it be Purdue, No, No,
Speaker 3: it's probably it might be Michigan State.
Speaker 4: It might be in state rivalry.
Speaker 1: Well, no, there's two teams they've already played.
Speaker 3: There's yeah, but if there if it's there's this teams
Speaker 3: that they're scouting ahead of time, I feel like this
Speaker 3: could be Actually where this is coming from is a
Speaker 3: preemptive strike. Are you are you going to say the
Speaker 3: the Penn State coming out a number seven Penn State
Speaker 3: November eleventh?
Speaker 6: Are we playing guest the nark?
Speaker 10: Wow?
Speaker 5: It would be the upcoming opponents for Michigan Michigan State, Perdue,
Speaker 5: Penn State, Maryland or Ohio State.
Speaker 6: Guest the narc.
Speaker 4: That's where I was going with it.
Speaker 1: That's where I getting h time to play guess the NARC.
Speaker 2: I love college PREMPTI strike.
Speaker 1: Yes, Ohio State, Penn State coming up this weekend. But yeah,
Speaker 1: two opponents, I guess send that you must be doing
Speaker 1: something right though if you're under investigation. Yeah, they weren't
Speaker 1: under investigation. I don't think when Jim was going to
Speaker 1: lose his job. Now they're the favorites to win the
Speaker 1: national championship. I will get phone calls coming up. By
Speaker 1: the way, I had this dilemma. I was yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 1: It was one o'clock, get a phone call from Santa Monica.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden comes up and I go hello
Speaker 1: and have a friend who says, Hey, what are you
Speaker 1: doing tonight? I said, kids are in town, Probably not much.
Speaker 3: He goes going to sit in my basement by myself
Speaker 3: and watch half of TVs.
Speaker 1: That is true. Smoke a cigar. I had some tequila
Speaker 1: last night. But this is what I was offered. Uh,
Speaker 1: this band is going to be playing in front of
Speaker 1: four hundred people in the West Village in New York City?
Speaker 1: Would you like to go see them as they debut
Speaker 1: their new album? So this is last night. That band
Speaker 1: was the Rolling Stones.
Speaker 2: Oh oh.
Speaker 4: Oh my.
Speaker 1: So there was going to be kind of a cocktail
Speaker 1: hour meet and greet and then they were going to play.
Speaker 1: Didn't know how long they were going to play. They
Speaker 1: were going to play from their album. I didn't know
Speaker 1: if they were going to play anything else. But as
Speaker 1: my friend James said, hey, these guys are eighty. You
Speaker 1: know you should take advantage of this. And I go,
Speaker 1: do I have two tickets? Like?
Speaker 2: What a jerk?
Speaker 1: I'm like, do I have two tickets? He goes, no,
Speaker 1: you have one? And I thought, okay, what time do
Speaker 1: they start? And then he said, well, probably we'll start
Speaker 1: playing music after nine. Well, it's two hours down and
Speaker 1: then I'm doing the math And of course I'm dedicated
Speaker 1: to this show and this audience.
Speaker 2: These guys are eighty and they're going to perform. You
Speaker 2: can go.
Speaker 5: I know, so you had a good time, right, you're
Speaker 5: up late Big nine in the city.
Speaker 1: Mick, I didn't go, Oh no, I know, I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know. I told you I didn't make
Speaker 1: the right decision.
Speaker 6: You're in sconsin regret right now is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I put this audience ahead of you know,
Speaker 1: just my well being. It huge.
Speaker 2: We don't forgive you if you were a little exhausted
Speaker 2: this morning.
Speaker 3: No, did you know Lady Gaga was going to be there?
Speaker 3: She did songs with them.
Speaker 1: I love Lady Gaga.
Speaker 4: Stow me out ex Actually, my.
Speaker 6: Poke, cook, how many hours noticed did you have?
Speaker 1: Again? I got a call after uh it was one o'clock.
Speaker 2: Power napp and get yourself to the city.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I know. It's tough, tough, tough,
Speaker 1: over rated.
Speaker 8: The Rolling Stones are should have whoa what?
Speaker 1: And I'm driving in today and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: I got street fighting man coming on. I'm going damn,
Speaker 1: it's gonna you know, one of those where every time
Speaker 1: you turn on the radio, it's gonna be like there'll
Speaker 1: be a Stone song and then I'll be like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm missed out. I missed out. Small venue, like less
Speaker 1: than four hundred people. Yes.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen the Stones live? Yes? Oh?
Speaker 1: Thank goodness, yes, I saw them. I think it was
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy two tour where Jagger wore the Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Eagles jersey.
Speaker 9: Oh.
Speaker 8: Then I think you're okay, No, that was that was
Speaker 8: Prime Stone. That's what I mean to me. You're all right, yeah,
Speaker 8: if you never saw them, that'd be a different store
Speaker 8: to me.
Speaker 1: But I could have done my Jagger impersonation to Jagger.
Speaker 6: Maybe it's a good thing it didn't go.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? You're just supposed to be me.
Speaker 1: Do you think it would have gone as bad as
Speaker 1: me doing my Lou Holtz impersonation in front of Lou Holtz,
Speaker 1: Fritzy doing his Shannon Sharp in front of Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 5: Yes, I love that Fritzy's making fun of you. The
Speaker 5: Rolling Stones have been playing at the Applebee's down the
Speaker 5: street from Fritzy's house, and he would have gotten out
Speaker 5: of his bed to get that's.
Speaker 2: True, unless there sett up in my backyard. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: there across the streets, you know, that's a long way
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 1: It's like Landon Donovan's final soccer game ever, and he
Speaker 1: was playing what fifteen minutes from Fritzy. He's inviting Fritzie
Speaker 1: to go see.
Speaker 7: You wouldn't want to go check out the final game,
Speaker 7: which ended up I don't think being his final game.
Speaker 7: He played again after.
Speaker 1: That, so yeah, or when you were invited by Von
Speaker 1: Miller to go to the Broncos Parade and you didn't go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to break my set. Like two tickets
Speaker 2: are nothing.
Speaker 1: I did ask for two tickets.
Speaker 6: It's like you know there was a one pass.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was one Yeah, it was a one off.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, would you have got to be
Speaker 1: single if I was single and thirty, No, if I
Speaker 1: didn't have to work today, I would have gone. I
Speaker 1: would have been raging all night long. Although Keith Richards
Speaker 1: doesn't party anymore, so I don't know who I would
Speaker 1: have partied with.
Speaker 4: With the Stones, you wouldn't have been able to understand
Speaker 4: it what he said. Anyway, You're right about that.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: And then I just I would just laugh, you know,
Speaker 1: no matter what he said, I would just laugh. All right.
Speaker 1: So that was my night last night.
Speaker 2: Well disappointed.
Speaker 1: Hey, there was college football on last night too. I
Speaker 1: was watching that.
Speaker 2: One of the games was three to two.
Speaker 1: What it was in the seventh inning, James Madden. I'm
Speaker 1: watching James Madison. I'm going I could be there watching
Speaker 1: the Stones and I'm watching Derek Carr throw in her options.
Speaker 1: What am I doing? Loser?
Speaker 4: What are you doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't do Sympathy for the Devil.
Speaker 1: No, I think they were just doing their album. But
Speaker 1: still you're seeing the stones. I'm seeing history.
Speaker 8: No, I mean like Derek Carr, those guys didn't see anything.
Speaker 8: Oh they do start me.
Speaker 1: Up, saw me out, saw me out? And that was
Speaker 1: saw what's your nursery home?
Speaker 2: Were they performing on it?
Speaker 1: Wow? Jagger is in better shape than you. He's thirty
Speaker 1: years older than you.
Speaker 7: While I was watching The Elderly Bachelor last night instead
Speaker 7: of some of the football games.
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Speaker 4: Sorry, was listening to something with that.
Speaker 1: Oh you were gonna make me feel better about not
Speaker 1: going to see The Stones last night?
Speaker 4: Oh dude?
Speaker 3: Yeah what According to the Internet, which is always accurate, right,
Speaker 3: Dustin just sent inky. According to setlist dot com Yeah.
Speaker 3: Rolling Stones only did seven songs. Okay, that doesn't matter
Speaker 3: that well, it doesn't matter because that would have been
Speaker 3: a lot of effort for like twenty minutes, well maybe
Speaker 3: long end.
Speaker 1: No, they would have given me an hour.
Speaker 4: You want to know what they played?
Speaker 1: Did they play is It all off the new album?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 6: They played Lose Yourself?
Speaker 1: I have an ambum?
Speaker 4: Wow, that's okay, that was the encore.
Speaker 1: Okay? Did they play Stop Me Up?
Speaker 4: They played Shattered, They played Angry?
Speaker 1: Is their Angry? That's live debut? Yeah, that's off the
Speaker 1: new album.
Speaker 3: They played a whole wide World just live debut, new album.
Speaker 3: They played Tumbling Dice, they played Bite my.
Speaker 4: Head off live debut. Okay, they played Jumpin Jack Flash.
Speaker 1: Oh, come on crap dot.
Speaker 4: Dot dot encore.
Speaker 3: Oh, and then they came out with Lady Gaga and
Speaker 3: did a song called Sweet Sounds of Heaven.
Speaker 1: You're not making Me feel better?
Speaker 11: That was it?
Speaker 4: Okay? Well I figured it was not like they did
Speaker 4: like a full.
Speaker 1: No, but they did three of those songs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jumping Jack Flash would have been pretty sweet, and
Speaker 3: you love Biting my Head up?
Speaker 2: And Angry that's a miss for you.
Speaker 4: Shattered to be pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Shattered, Yeah, because that's all about New York City, isn't
Speaker 1: it splattered all over Manhattan?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Bite the big apple? Yes, do you really want to
Speaker 1: see him?
Speaker 10: Go?
Speaker 1: Stop me?
Speaker 2: What's the word again? Stop?
Speaker 9: Stop me up?
Speaker 2: That's right, thank you, thank you? The third row?
Speaker 1: Are you done?
Speaker 4: Takes a little longer for me these days to get
Speaker 4: stop me up.
Speaker 6: You're gonna break your hip.
Speaker 2: Don't start up. We don't want your starting.
Speaker 10: Up to me.
Speaker 1: Uh, we got two more hours. That's it.
Speaker 4: Well, we got a pull question for hour two.
Speaker 3: Did you make a colossal mistake by not going to
Speaker 3: see The Rolling Stones last night?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Or hell?
Speaker 1: Yes? Okay? On what level is this a missake?
Speaker 6: Like zero to ten?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And you guys can be honest. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I missed out on it. They played some, you know,
Speaker 1: some of their classics todd zero to ten. How big
Speaker 1: a mistake.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna say eight point seven. I would do more
Speaker 7: if you hadn't seen them before. They'll be what about you?
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with eight also seven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm closer to nine.
Speaker 1: You should have got.
Speaker 5: Fall eight, nine hard, nine, jumping Jack, Flash about your
Speaker 5: head off, angry Cocktail hour Baby, Gaga, hell
Speaker 2: Stop it.