1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 2: All right, second hour of Clan Buck starts right now. 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: Huge news today, Trump announcing himself on truth Social that 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: he expects an imminent federal indictment from Jack Smith, the 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: special counsel in relation to the January sixth events we 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: have with us now has promised Julie Kelly, who has 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: an excellent substack that you should check out and subscribe 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: to declassified. Also, the author of the book January sixth 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: has a longer title, but just look at Julie Kelly 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: January sixth. It'll all come up there for you should 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: get a copy of it. Julie, thank you for being 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: with us. Can we just remind everybody this was you 14 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: in August of last year? Play it so, Julie, just 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: to be clear, you are still as confident because you 16 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: even before the mar A Lago raid came on this 17 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: show and a lot of people now remember to this 18 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: at Wow, before the Tomorrow Lago, you believe that there 19 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: was going to be a high likelihood of a prosecution 20 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: of Donald Trump. 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: You still believe that. 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 3: I absolutely do. I think I was like ninety nine 23 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 3: percent now I'm like one hundred and five percent. 24 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 2: You said ninety nine percent, which is pretty like I'm 25 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: not even ninety nine percent sure that I'm gonna wake 26 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: up tomorrow. 27 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: So I'm pretty that's a pretty high likelihood. 28 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: You're you're ninety nine percent sure they're going to proscute 29 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: Donald Trump or they're gonna bring some kind of criminals. 30 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: She's one hundred and five percent. Buck, she's going. 31 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: Sorry, going yeah, go going on on to the next level. So, Julie, 32 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: first of all, well played, you saw it coming. You 33 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: were right, So we wanted to give you that moment 34 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: here with everyone listening. We have the New York indictment already, 35 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: we have the South Florida indictment already imminent j six indictment. 36 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: What are you expecting to be in this and just 37 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: tell us of what you're seeing here. 38 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, thanks you guys for having me 39 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: on for over a year and covering my work and 40 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: reporting on January sixth and the pending indictment against Donald Trump. Look, 41 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: as we've talked about, this January sixth indictment poses the 42 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 3: greatest legal jeopardy for the president, not just because of 43 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 3: the selnes that I'm sure Jack Smith is pursuing obstruction 44 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 3: as an official preceding possibly seditious conspiracy. But because these 45 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 3: proceedings will continue to go forward in Washington, DC. And 46 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: as you guys know, I've covered these January sixth proceedings, 47 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: the trials, the hearings for more than two years. I 48 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 3: know what the DOJ is capable of doing, and furthermore, 49 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: I see what the DC judges let DOJ get away 50 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 3: with time and time again, and he will if he 51 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: goes to trial face a jury made up of DC 52 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 3: voters in a city that voted ninety three percent for 53 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: Joe Biden and has a one hundred percent level of 54 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: contempt for Donald Trump, his associates, and of course his voters. 55 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: Julie, you've been covering these January sixth political trials four 56 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: like you said, a couple of years. Has every defendant 57 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: that has gone to trial in Washington, d C. For 58 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: January sixth related charges been convicted so far? If not, 59 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: I know some may have beaten some aspect of charges, 60 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: but has anyone been found not guilty and walked out 61 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: a free man or woman from these courts? 62 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: I believe there are a small handful and literally a 63 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: handful less than five who have been exonerated either been 64 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 3: found not guilty by a judge or by a jury. 65 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: But the DOJ's conviction rate is close to one hundred percent, 66 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 3: somewhere in the neighborhood of ninety nine percent. Now you 67 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: have defendants who were found not guilty on various charges, 68 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 3: but they were convicted of others. So in these are 69 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: serious convictions. These are case precedents setting convictions for obstruction 70 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: of an official preceding seditious conspiracy, for example, for members 71 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: of the prow Voice. And we talked about this after 72 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: the verdicts were announced in that trial. In May, four 73 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: members of the Proud Boys convicted by a DC jury 74 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: of seditious conspiracy, a charge rare Civil War eraror charge. 75 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: Never before has an American been convicted of seditious conspiracy. 76 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: But four men were convicted by a DC jury, and 77 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 3: that poses that is that whole trial was tied to 78 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 3: Donald Trump. So when those guilty verdicts came down, I wrote, 79 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 3: and I think we talked about it, that this will 80 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 3: now give leverage for Jack Smith, the special prosecutor, to 81 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 3: speak a similar selony talent indictment against Donald Trump for 82 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: that charge, and that's very dangerous for the president, not 83 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: just because of potential prison time, but because these judges 84 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 3: have ordered pre trial detention for defendants who just are 85 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: accused of seditious conspiracy and obstruction. That means denying their release. 86 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: And I put nothing past Jack Smith, his prosecutors, and 87 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,239 Speaker 3: his DC District Court that they will seek could seek 88 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 3: pretrial's attention for Donald Trump, and a DC judge very 89 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: well could sign off on it. 90 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: Well, this brings us to our next question. I mean, 91 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: I have two things to ask you, Julie. One is is, 92 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 2: because you've covered this so closely for years, as we've 93 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: been discussing, is there a judge who, if by some 94 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 2: stroke of luck, Trump got in a d C J 95 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: six case, would be even a little bit fair to him. 96 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: That's one part of the question. And then the other 97 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: part of it is Klayton were just talking about this. 98 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: If Trump is found guilty, then it would probably be 99 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 2: next year, right based on the timelines that we're looking 100 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: at right now. If Trump was found guilty, do you 101 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: think a federal judge would order him to actually go 102 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: to federal prison. 103 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 3: If he was found guilty? Yes, I do. And you know, 104 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 3: if they didn't sign off on pretrial to attention, if 105 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: he is convicted based on whatever his convictions are, the 106 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 3: government has moved in many times to then place that 107 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 3: defendant in immediate custody, which Jack Smith could do if 108 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: he was convicted at a trial, which she very well. 109 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 3: You know, there's that ninety nine percent chance that he 110 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: will be. I will say, it will be difficult to 111 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 3: bring this seditious conspiracy, obstruction of an official preceding other 112 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: conspiracy charges, campering with evidence, witnesses. This is what I'm 113 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 3: expecting from Jack Smith. Very hard to put that trial 114 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 3: on before the election. Typically those trials are delayed eighteen 115 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 3: sometimes up to two years in the case of the 116 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: Proud Boys, So they'd be really rushing that trial to 117 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 3: try to put that on before November. 118 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: Right, Well, yeah, crowdboys aren't are you know? That's a 119 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: different right. 120 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: I mean, there's a timeline here, so if the fix 121 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: is in, maybe they go all the way. Is there 122 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: a judge though, Julie, that you've covered that you say 123 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 2: at least that judge tried to be somewhat fair toward 124 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: any of the j six defendants, because you would know 125 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 2: the judge. The judge who justified in a ruling that 126 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 2: they needed to hold a nonviolent J six defender and 127 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: pre trial attention because of the risk of an additional insurrection. 128 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: I mean that was truly stalin esque. I mean that 129 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: was insane. 130 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: Well, this is how all of these judges are, including 131 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,679 Speaker 3: Trump's judges that are in fact, in some cases they're worst. 132 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 3: Tim Kelly, Trevor McFadden, Danny Friedrich. Those are his appointed judges. 133 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: So I think that he won't get one of his 134 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: judges very unlikely. But even if he does, trust me, 135 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: they are no allies of Donald Trump. All of these 136 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: judges have acted as nothing more than a rubber stamp 137 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: for this. DOJ think about this. Every judge has denied 138 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: change of venue motions for every single defendant, even high 139 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 3: profile cases like the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers. When the 140 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 3: January sixth Select Committee was having nationwide televised evening hearing 141 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: talking about the Oathkeepers and Proud Boys, assigning guilt to 142 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: them while they're injury selection we're underway in Washington, dec. 143 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: They don't care about protecting the rights of defendants, and 144 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: they certainly won't care about protecting the rights of a 145 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 3: defendant named Donald J. Trump. 146 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: Okay, Julie, you just hit on what I think is 147 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: probably the most important thing here, because you me Buck, 148 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: we all agree charges are coming, potentially, I would bet 149 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: in the next week, because when you invite someone to 150 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: come testify in front of the grand jury, particularly someone 151 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's stature, you're probably at the very end 152 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: of your grand jury. Would you agree with that that 153 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about days and or weeks potentially before Trump 154 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: is charged based on the letter that he got. 155 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. There's no one else for the grand 156 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: jury to interrogate or to question. I mean, they've questioned 157 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 3: Mike Pence, They've basically questioned everyone in the White House, 158 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: campaign aids, his lawyers. There's no one left. Your right, 159 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 3: Donald Trump would be the last one a test five. 160 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 3: Of course he won't. But this investigation, recall this investigation 161 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 3: prestated the appointment of Jack Smith last November. It's been 162 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 3: going on since right after Joe Biden took took over 163 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: in January's twenty twenty one. So they've got all the 164 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 3: evidence they need. 165 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 4: But here's the. 166 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 3: Funny part, you guys, they don't need evidence. I've seen 167 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 3: the evidence in these in these convictions. They're nothing. It's nonexistent, 168 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 3: but it doesn't matter because they know that this is 169 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: performance art before a journey made up of twelve voters 170 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: from Washington, DC, so they know they don't have to 171 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 3: come up with evidence, and these judges certainly do not 172 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: hold them to account to present invalid evidence to a jury. 173 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: Okay, this builds on the second part of this timing, 174 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: and you touched on this some with Buck. Let's say 175 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: that Trump gets indicted federally in Washington, d C. Sometime 176 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: around August first, right, I think in the next two 177 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: weeks is very likely if that were to happen. If 178 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: he's indicted by August first, your assessment is based on 179 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: how long these trials have taken to play out, because 180 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: you've covered all these Jan six trials that there's virtually 181 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: no chance because you presume that Trump's defensive team, the 182 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: number one goal of them is going to be to 183 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: push this past the election, because Trump's plan is I'll win, 184 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: I'll pardon myself from all of these charges. This is 185 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: all crazy, by the way, but there's virtually no chance, 186 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: based on your experience covering jan six, that they could 187 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: get a trial before the actual election. Takes place. 188 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: I think it would be tough to do because Trump 189 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 3: will his lawyer's first thing they will do will be 190 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 3: seek a change of venue, and that will take some time. 191 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: And obviously he will peel it if the judge denies it, 192 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 3: as I said they've done in every single case. So 193 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: he's going to have a lot more emotions and he's 194 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 3: going to have a lot better lawyers than most of 195 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 3: these January sixth defenders. But it would be very tough 196 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 3: to try to put this trial on in Washington, DC 197 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 3: before the election. And furthermore, you guys, this is important. 198 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: This is not just going to be Donald Trump indictment. 199 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 3: If he is charged with saf editious conspiracy, any conspiracy 200 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 3: charge requires co conspirators. So you see this in the 201 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 3: Classified Documents case. That's how they charged his valet, Walt Nauta, 202 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 3: in that same indictment. This is not just going to 203 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 3: be Trump. It could be his lawyers, it could be 204 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 3: White House officials, it could be campaign staff. It could 205 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: even be a few Republican House members who are under investigation. 206 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 3: So in check, what the DJ has done in these 207 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 3: trials is added what they're called superseding indictments, adding co 208 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 3: conspirators to build this massive case. So even the first 209 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 3: indictment probably will not be the first shot across the bow. 210 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 3: And whoever is indicted with Trump, I guarantee you that 211 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 3: won't be the end of the list of co conspirators 212 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 3: with him. That's why it would be very difficult to 213 00:11:58,520 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: put this on before the November. 214 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: Buck and I just as we finished the first hour 215 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: and you touched on it a little bit, we're discussing, Okay, 216 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: Trump gets convicted when you have watched these trials and 217 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: you've seen the results, and I don't know. I thought 218 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: it was crazy that they could immediately cuff Trump and 219 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: walk him and put him in prison if he were 220 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: convicted of whatever. We don't know what the charges are. 221 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: To be fair, but have you seen most of these 222 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: jan sixth convictions immediately lead to prison time or does 223 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: the defendant go out they come back for sentencing. This 224 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: process plays itself out. I don't know. I'm curious what 225 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: you've seen happen most frequently. 226 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 3: It's a good question. It's sort of a mixed bag. 227 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: Several descendants who were convicted of seditious conspiracy had already 228 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 3: been in custody for more than two years before their 229 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 3: trial went on. So for the more serious charges seditious conspiracy, 230 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: obstruction of an official proceeding. Of course he's not going 231 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: to be charged with assaulting police officers. But numerous defendants 232 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 3: were already incarcerated under pretrial's attention awaiting trial. So if 233 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 3: that's not the case with Trump, if he is permitted, 234 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: and it could be some restricted release too. I've seen 235 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: that home detention. You know, you have to wear something. 236 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: That's crazy to think about. By the way, Buck two 237 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: is the idea of pre trial motions where they say, hey, 238 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: he needs to be he can't leave his home. 239 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: We could have Trump and mar A Lago on the 240 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: golf course with an ankle monitor like this could actually happen. 241 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: This is nuts. But I'm just curious whether they're purb 242 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: walking people out with them. 243 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: I mean, they definitely play one hundred percent that Jay, 244 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 2: I mean the the like Proud Boys guys and those guys, 245 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: because otherwise it undermines, right, Julia. I mean, they're saying, 246 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: if you're trying to overthrow the government, they're saying you 247 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: were risk to the entire governmental system. As crazy as 248 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: that actually is based on the facts, So they can't 249 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: say they can't convict you of trying to overthrow the government, 250 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: then say, yeah, go for a walk. 251 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: We'll see if you're a danger to the public. I 252 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: just don't see that happening. 253 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 3: That's right, and that's why I think the seditious conspiracy 254 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: count is very likely and really could result in this 255 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 3: this horrific unprecedented. Of course, is not even the word 256 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 3: scene of a former president and meeting Republican candidate for 257 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: president being denied bail and held in a DC jail 258 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 3: while they drag out you know, trial mode. 259 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: That is the crazy. That is the crazy part here, 260 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: Jan Like, what do you think the chances are. Sorry 261 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: to cut you off, but what you're hitting at is 262 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: so crazy, and I know we're coming up against the time, 263 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: but this is we need to talk about it when we 264 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: come back. But you think that Jack Smith might say 265 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: the President needs to be held immediately, he's a threat 266 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: to the country. He can't be allowed out pending this trial. 267 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 3: Yes, I believe there is a more than fifty percent 268 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: chance that Jack Smith will seek pre trials attention for 269 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 3: Donald Trump if he has charged with seditious can spirit 270 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 3: so conspiracy or even obstruction of an official proceeding because 271 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: there is precedent in this January sixth prosecution investigation. 272 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: So Clay, just to be clear, Julie thinks not only 273 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: would he go to prison if they convict him in 274 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: the DC gulag system, they may try to pre detain 275 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 2: him or at least put some measures on him like 276 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: home confinement or something during the election. But if it's 277 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: posted till after the election, well we have to see Julie. 278 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: Just you know, keep your phone handy. We're gonnaed to 279 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: talk to you in the months ahead of here about 280 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: all this stuff. People should go check out her A 281 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: substack declassified with Julie Kelly and uh, you were right. 282 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: Let's see if you're right on the next one. Thanks 283 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: for being with us. 284 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 3: Thanks guys. 285 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: Okay, look, I understand that you know, whether you're somebody 286 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: like me who had some training and online cyber stuff 287 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: and staying safe on the internet, when you're like a 288 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: government employee with top secret information or all that, or 289 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: you're just an everyday person, you probably think, you know, 290 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: I've got this stuff squared away, I know how to 291 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: act online. But this stuff is getting so sophisticated these days. Honestly, 292 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: just about a week ago, I got a text message. 293 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: I thought it was from my bank. I actually thought, 294 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: because it looked just like other texts from my bank 295 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: that I've gotten. 296 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: And I said, wait a second, the fault's a little off. 297 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: It's a little weird. I called my bank. They said, no, 298 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: that's a scam, and then I checked my account. You 299 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: know what I found out There are pennies that had 300 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: been removed from one of my bank accounts. 301 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: You know why. 302 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: They were getting ready to take the whole thing. This 303 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: just happened to me, and I just avoided it. But 304 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: you know what, I've got the whole time, LifeLock watching 305 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: my back. LifeLock gives you alerts. LifeLock helps protect you 306 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: from exactly these kinds of online identity identity theft scams. 307 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: So their systems are constantly scrubbing online because you know, 308 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: you catch hopefully all of them. If you miss one, 309 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: you may not know about it until a lot of 310 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 2: damage has been done. Unless you have LifeLock. Then you 311 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: can catch it quickly and shut it down. So I 312 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: shut down that account, got a new card. You need LifeLock. 313 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: It's important to understand how cybercrime had identity theft are 314 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: affecting our lives. And if you do become a victim 315 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: and I have before, that's a whole other story. It's 316 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 2: a nightmare. But if you have LifeLock watching your back, 317 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 2: it's much better. A dedicated US restoration specialist will work 318 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: with you to fix it, like they did with me. 319 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 2: No one can prevent all identity theft or monitor all 320 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: transactions at all businesses, but you can protect yourself with LifeLock. 321 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: Join now save twenty five percent off your first year 322 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 2: with promo code buck. Go to LifeLock dot com use 323 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 2: promo code b Uck, or call this number one eight hundred. 324 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: LifeLock Truth Seeking, Reality Telling The Clay Travis and Buck 325 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: Sexton Show, Welcome back in quick turn here and then 326 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: we'll react more. But Julie Kelly, who's been nailing a 327 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: ton of it's like she's reading the game plan of 328 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: the federal government. She is saying, there's more than a 329 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: fifty percent chance they try to put Trump in prison 330 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: for pre trial detainment before his case even commences. We'll 331 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: break it down for you. Come it back just a 332 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: couple of minutes. 333 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: Will there'd be a change in our nation's currency system. 334 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 2: According to former Wall Street insider Tika Tawaii, our federal 335 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 2: government could soon announce a mandatory national recall on the 336 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: US dollar. Per tikup, it will be replaced with a 337 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: new digital version that will be radically different from what 338 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 2: you have in your bank account. Right now, Tika Tawaii 339 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: is warning that the official announcement could come as soon 340 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 2: as next week. On Wednesday, he's exposing this government plan 341 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: in a controversial new video and showing you the three 342 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: steps you need to take to prepare. Go to Dollar 343 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: Recall dot Com to watch this video the government doesn't 344 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 2: want you to see again. Go to Dollar Recall dot Com. 345 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 2: That's Dollar Recall dot Com. Learn how to prepare before 346 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 2: it's too late. You need to know at least what 347 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: Tikasawaii has in store for you here, what his message is. 348 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: It's worth your time to learn what he sees coming 349 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: and then make up your mind about what you want 350 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: to do. That's Dollar Recall dot Com. Paid for by 351 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: Palmbeach Research Group. All right, team, everyone's fired up here. 352 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 2: We've got every line lit. We got emails coming in, 353 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 2: tons of them. 354 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: We appreciate it. 355 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: Playanbuck dot com sign up, become a VIP there We're 356 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: also planning some other fun things in the near future 357 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 2: for our VIP. He's got a lot of things on 358 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: the horizon there. But you can send us emails throughout 359 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: the show. We get all of them. We get this 360 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,959 Speaker 2: as many of them as we can on the air, 361 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 2: but we read them all and let's get to some 362 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: of them right now. Let's see Whitney and Birmingham. Whitney 363 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 2: and Birmingham writes in I think both of you are 364 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: focused on the facts in your respective arguments, but you're 365 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: forgetting the downright evil that lies with the Democrat Party 366 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: that will drive them to punish Trump swiftly and immediately 367 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 2: upon a federal conviction. The justice system has been bent 368 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 2: and twisted to indict Trump because they are evil, evil, evil. 369 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 2: I mean, Whitney, I don't know how much more we 370 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: could say that. We're sitting here saying what is the 371 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 2: maximum position of nefariousness undermining the constitution of political brute 372 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: force that the Democrats will take, and that is what 373 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 2: they will do. I actually think Whitney agrees with us here, 374 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: and yeah, I mean the only thing is we're looking 375 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: at whether they could lock him up or not? Right, 376 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: would they lock him up, we're not after conviction. 377 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: Maclay. 378 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: Part of this that we didn't get to react to 379 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: yet is okay, if they do all this and they 380 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 2: don't bring the trial before the election and Trump wins. 381 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: I actually think. 382 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: That the Democrats realize they're in a position where he 383 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 2: will be the president. He will pardon himself and anybody 384 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 2: convicted of any of these federal crimes that are related 385 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 2: to him and those around him, and he will go 386 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 2: I think at that point Trump will go scorched earth 387 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 2: and decide that. 388 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: It is payback time. 389 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 2: I mean I would right Like, I think I'm a 390 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: pretty even keeled, fair minded guy. If I'm Trump and 391 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: they do this to me and then I win the election, anyway, 392 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: people are. 393 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: Going to get going to get justice. Well, this is 394 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: also what happens in third world countries, because it's not 395 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: just that you lose power, it's that your family goes 396 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: to prison, sometimes gets killed. That's why the stakes of 397 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: third Orald Banana Republic elections are so high, because they 398 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: there is no system of justice. It's only raw power 399 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: that matters. And if you don't have the raw power, 400 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: then everyone close to you is subject to death or imprisonment. 401 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: I mean that's the reality in many different countries around 402 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: the world, and that's why this precedent being set is 403 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: so dangerous. And Buck, just building off what Julie said 404 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: at the end of our conversation, she said that she 405 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: thinks it's more than fifty percent likely that Jack Smith, 406 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: as part of a pre trial motion, will try to 407 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: put Trump in prison as the weight for his trial commences, 408 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: and she says, use the oathkeepers and what happened to 409 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: them as the evidence if that happens. Buck, if Jack 410 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: Smith attempts that, and if a judge agreed to it, 411 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: I think there would be massive amount of rioting in 412 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: this country. I really do. And I think they would 413 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: then use that as evidence of why Trump needed to 414 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: stay in prison, as like this. 415 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 2: Rest this scans is the part of this. You have 416 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 2: to remember. We keep thinking of this on the right 417 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: as come on, this is all so crazy. The Democrat 418 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: Party has been conditioned for seven years now to believe 419 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 2: that Trump is an existential threat to the Republic. In 420 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 2: their minds, it is not a stretch at all to 421 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 2: put Trump in pre trial detention. If there's a J 422 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: six insurrection charge, which we all think is going to 423 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: happen here, and that is how they get maximum you know, 424 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 2: if you will, utility out of doing all this before 425 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 2: the election, because even if they push the trial beyond 426 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: the election, at least they know that they will have 427 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 2: in a sense and perhaps with a monitor on him 428 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 2: literal shackles on Trump as he's running for president. And 429 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: so that's why. And the establishment here of insurrection as 430 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 2: the charge, how could I mean short of being like 431 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: a mass murderer. The idea that he could be overthrowing 432 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 2: the government, which is what they're going to say, right 433 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: that he did before and he will again is clear 434 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 2: justification in the minds of lunatic leftists for why they 435 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 2: would have to hold him as a clear and present danger. 436 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: To the public. This is well, and this is the theory. 437 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 4: This is what it is. 438 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: That that is something that even I hadn't taken the 439 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: next step to to be fair like, as I was 440 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: analyzing it legally, I hope that whoever the judge in 441 00:23:54,840 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: this case is would have the stones to recognize the 442 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: significance of what is going on. Even that somebody and 443 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: I know, maybe this is too much. 444 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 2: Look at where the faith in the Hunter Biden situation 445 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: got us there, my friend. You know the system is rigged, buddy, 446 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: we know it, We're seeing it. It's bad, but putting 447 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 2: the chief political rival of the current president in prison 448 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 2: as a threat to the country before any jury trial 449 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 2: at all, even for this, we we keep on operating 450 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 2: from the perspective of rational and emotionally stable and that 451 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: is not what the Democrat apparatus does to impeachments. How 452 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 2: many special councils, uh, you know, a denied election in 453 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen that they've now pretended like, I mean, they 454 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: have done the unprecedented against this guy so many times 455 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: that now we have to w recognized the only limit 456 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 2: to what they'll do is their ability to wield power 457 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: without any compunction about ethics, the Constitution or anything else. Yeah, 458 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 2: the Steele dossier, Bruce Alis pointed out, the whole thing 459 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 2: was a fake. They don't care all. 460 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: Of those on I agree with all that it's all political. 461 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: They saw it as having a political gain and Trump 462 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: still was the nominee, he was still standing for election. 463 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: To put him in prison based on charges is a 464 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: step far beyond anything that we have ever Frankly, I've 465 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: even contemplated I until Julie told us, and she's been 466 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: right about a lot. I hadn't even thought about the 467 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: idea of, oh, they'll argue that he's a threat to 468 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: the nation. He has to be put in prison for 469 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: two years before the trial would even take place. Yeah. 470 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 2: Look, I would on the Sean Ryan podcast a few 471 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 2: months ago when I when I appeared as a guest, 472 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: I said, I said, they're going to lock Trump up. 473 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: This is the They're they're. 474 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 2: All in on this. They're going if they can. There's 475 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 2: an if here, but if they can, they will. Everyone 476 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 2: is Let's get to some of these and we'll come 477 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 2: back and get to some more of them. We want 478 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: to obviously hear all of you from the audience as 479 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: much as we can here because this is a this 480 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: is quite a day our friends and in Illinois. And 481 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 2: what have you got for us? 482 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 5: Hey, great to for you to take my call. I 483 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 5: think President Trump is going to out fox all of 484 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 5: these folks and unfortunately will withdraw and not actually run. 485 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: I think that I appreciate. Let's let her say there's 486 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: a zero percent chance of that happening. 487 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: Well, I just wanted to hear the end of her sentence, 488 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: but I mean, hold on, go ahead and why go ahead? 489 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: What were you saying? 490 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 5: Well, that then just leaves the legal issues, because I 491 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 5: completely agree that this is totally political. 492 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 2: But why would Trump Okay, now, why would Trump withdraw? 493 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: How would that help him at all? 494 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 6: Well, because if there's a good likelihood, and I think 495 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 6: there is for a different Republican candidate to be successful, 496 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 6: not only get the nomination, but to win, that helps 497 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 6: him immensely because then we're not going to have all this. 498 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: Okay, appreciate you, We love you for listening. I gotta 499 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: I gotta throw him with clayre and this. 500 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: This is a zero percent chance Trump withdraws from this 501 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 2: right now, because if he withdraws, then he's absolutely at 502 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,959 Speaker 2: the mercy of the system that is trying to destroy him. 503 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: You can flag this obviously. The only argument that Anne 504 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: could make, I think it was Anne, is they agree 505 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: to drop all charges and Trump said, okay, I won't run. 506 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: That's where I thought she was going to go. Yeah, 507 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: I think there's a I don't think Trump would agree 508 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: to that, but that is the only way that or 509 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: you know, he could have a health or related condition 510 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: or whatever. Trump is not dropping out of this race. Yeah, 511 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: I would put every every spare dollar that I have. 512 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: Trump is not dropping out of this race. Yeah on that. 513 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 4: That, I. 514 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 2: Never say zero percent, zero percent. Trump voluntarily decides he's 515 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: no longer running for president in this election cycle. Will 516 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 2: in Houston, Texas, Will, what have you got for us? 517 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 7: Taking my call? Hey, fellas, thanks for taking my call. Here, 518 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 7: hear me out for a second. If I voted for 519 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 7: Trump twice, Okay, if I'm a Democrat strategist or consultant, 520 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 7: I'm looking at I'm looking at the whole wide array 521 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 7: of everything, and I'm telling myself, Okay, we can't use 522 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 7: the Russia collusion. We already tried that in around twenty eighteen. 523 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 7: We can't use BLM anymore because they've been exposed for frauds. 524 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,719 Speaker 7: We get that in twenty twenty. We can't use COVID. 525 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 7: We can't hear people with COVID anymore. We get that 526 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 7: around twenty twenty two. So if I'm a Democrat and 527 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 7: we know that we're the masters of emotional manipulation, I'm 528 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 7: going to have Trump front and center. I'm gonna have 529 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 7: I'm gonna have all kinds of convictions, indictments thrown at 530 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 7: him to make sure he stays front and center, so 531 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 7: he sucks up all of the energy from the other candidate. Basically, 532 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 7: I'm agreeing with what Clay said. I truly believe they 533 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 7: don't need they don't want him to drop out. 534 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 2: I just I see it the same way. Well, to 535 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: be clear, I think that they I think the Democrats. 536 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 2: That's why I said it's their sleeping plan. They're all 537 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: in on this. This is what they think the move is. 538 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 2: All I left open as a possibility is just because 539 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,719 Speaker 2: this is their plan does not mean it will end 540 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 2: up the way they think the plan will, right, but 541 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 2: it is their plan will. So you and me, Clay 542 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: all agree that the Democrats want it to be Trump. 543 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 2: They want it to be sure, there's no question. And 544 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 2: I think any Democrat mind that he under the circumstances, 545 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 2: is who they want to face. 546 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's arguments out there, people are like, no, 547 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: this is about taking Trump out of the race. I 548 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: would love to hear I don't understand that argument at all. 549 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: Eight hundred and two eight two two eight eight two. 550 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: What is the argument for how Democrats are so terrified 551 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: of Trump that they're trying to take him out of 552 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: the race. I mean, I don't even understand how that, Like, 553 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of Trump people who've hopped in my 554 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: mentions like, oh, this is the Like, I don't even understand. 555 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: Charges strengthen Trump with his base and with the Republicans, 556 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: making it more likely he gets the primary nomination. I 557 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: think buck even if they put Trump in prison on 558 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: pre top trial detention, yeah, which is crazy, I think 559 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: he would still be the nominee. So I don't understand 560 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: the logic under which people are saying. 561 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 2: I think some people feel yeah, no, I think some 562 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: people feel like it's in some way a knock against 563 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 2: Trump that Democrats want him to be the nominee because 564 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 2: they're they are very confident that he will beat the Democrats. 565 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: But that actually does and changed the Democrat calculation, which 566 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 2: is that they know this will make him much more 567 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 2: likely to be the nominee, and they think they can 568 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: beat him because they think they beat him. And I'll 569 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: tell you this much, Democrats don't think they cheated in 570 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Take that for what it's worth. They think 571 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 2: it should be Trump again because they believe they beat him. 572 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 2: They think Joe Biden beat him, and they think that 573 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 2: Joe Biden will beat him again I don't understand the 574 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 2: argument of no. This is they're terrified of Trump, like 575 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: they're actually making it more likely that he's the nominee 576 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 2: in everything that they're doing. My Pillow is celebrating their 577 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: twentieth anniversary. Company's an American success story. Eighty million My 578 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 2: pillows sold, thousands of American jobs, all created because of 579 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 2: your support and appreciation. Mike glewnde Ellen and My Pillow 580 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 2: employees want to thank you by giving you the lowest 581 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 2: price in history for their My pillows, the pillow that 582 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 2: started at all. Take advantage twentieth anniversary deal right now. 583 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 2: Queen Size My Pillow less than less than twenty bucks 584 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 2: just nineteen ninety eight. That's more than fifty percent off 585 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 2: the King Size US ten dollars more. Find deep discounts 586 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 2: on other MyPillow products, such as their bedsheets, mattresstoppers, pet beds, towels, 587 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 2: my slippers, so much more. Go to MyPillow dot com, 588 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: click on the radio listener square. You get the Queen 589 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 2: Size MyPillow for nineteen ninety eight the King Size Pillow 590 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: for just twenty nine ninety eight. Use our names Clay 591 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 2: and Buck. You can also call them at eight hundred 592 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 2: and seventy nine two thirty two sixty nine, ten year warranty, 593 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 2: sixty day money bag guarantee. You're gonna love them, but 594 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 2: you get two months to try them with absolutely no risk. 595 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 2: Go to MyPillow dot com use those codes Clay and Buck. 596 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 4: Download and use the new Clay and Fuck as listen 597 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 4: to the program live. 598 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: Catch up on any part of the show you might 599 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: have missed. Use your CNB twenty four to seven subscription 600 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: to get access to the guys. Fine the Clay and 601 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: Buck app in your app store and make it part 602 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: of your day. Welcome back in Blay Travis Buck Sexton 603 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: show closing up. Second hour here eight hundred and two 604 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: A two two eight A two. I really want to 605 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: hear from people, Buck, because I think you're probably right. 606 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: People refuse to acknowledge who are absolute diehard Trump, the 607 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: patriots on the idea that Democrats want to run against Trump. 608 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: But again, you have to take yourself. I always say, 609 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: if you really want to analyze any situation, and this 610 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: is what lawyers have to do, right, you have to 611 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: strip yourself out of the case and you have to say, okay, 612 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: if I were trying to make the other side's case, 613 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: what is their strongest argument to make that could cause 614 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: me to lose? What is their theory of the case. 615 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,479 Speaker 1: And similarly, you have to think through, Okay, what's the 616 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: best situation that would allow us to win, because really 617 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: a political campaign is a storytelling contest. And if you 618 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: operate under the assumption that Democrats believe that they will 619 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: beat Trump and that he is a weak candidate, and 620 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: that they are not going to be able, meaning the 621 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: Trump camp not going to be able to convince all 622 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: the suburban women who turned on Trump in twenty twenty 623 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: to turn back to him in twenty twenty four. Buck 624 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: and I are going to vote for the Republican nominee. 625 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: We voted for Trump. We're happy to vote for Trump again. 626 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: But you need to be smart enough to understand the 627 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: game plan of the other side, and their game plan 628 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: is we are going to load Trump up with felonies 629 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: that will make it more likely that he's the nominee. 630 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: He just go look at what the results have been 631 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: since charges have been brought against Trump, his support in 632 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: the Republican primary has increased. 633 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: That's what the data sho This is like hacking the 634 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 2: election in a sense, what they're doing means that they 635 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 2: get because and the whole thing in the primary is 636 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 2: who does the base want? That is not what is 637 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 2: going to determine the general election. We do not have 638 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 2: the ability to just say, well, the most hardcore, true 639 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 2: believer Republicans are going to be the ones that determine 640 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: the next president of the United States. That's just not 641 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 2: what the voting registration show us. I mean unless something 642 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 2: crazy happens. So then it gets to who that is 643 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 2: a persuadable voter and independent voter, and then people are 644 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 2: gonna say, oh, it comes down to turnout. Yeah, every 645 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,280 Speaker 2: election comes down to turnout. But patterns tend to be 646 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 2: pretty pretty consistent when you look at and the aggregate 647 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 2: as to who's going to come out, who's going to vote, 648 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 2: and who they're going to vote for based on their 649 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 2: party affiliation. 650 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 7: Yeah. 651 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 2: No, I think this is what we're up against right now. 652 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 2: The question is are the Democrats right? I think their 653 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 2: strategy is clear, David and Rhode Island want to get 654 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 2: you in. What's going on? 655 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,760 Speaker 4: Hi, guys. First of all, the strategy is a great strategy, okay, 656 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 4: and Republicans a biting for the bait. Now I'm a conservative, 657 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 4: I will not vote for Trump. I will sit out, Okay, and. 658 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold on. You wouldn't You wouldn't show up 659 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four if it were Trump versus Biden. 660 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 4: I will show up for other elections. I will not 661 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 4: vote for Trump, Okay, And I'm gonna tell you why. 662 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 4: First of all, his character ian. 663 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: Okay, we know wats of reasons why people might not vote. 664 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: I would submit to you. Sorry to cut you off, 665 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: but we're coming to a break. If you are willing 666 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: to allow Joe Biden to be re elected in twenty 667 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: twenty four because you don't like Donald Trump personally, and 668 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: you will not show up and vote for the president 669 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: as a result, In my always humble opinion, you are 670 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: an absolute imbecile who is helping to light your country 671 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: on fire over idiotic reasons. I succinctly I. 672 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 2: Love everybody who listens to the show, and I appreciate 673 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 2: your time, as does Clay. 674 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 1: Please stay for the third hour.