1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: My friend wore an offensive Halloween costume. I might have 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: to cut her off to attend the party. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: She'd probably cut her off. 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: We'll see how offensive it is. So I want to 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: start this off by saying, we do live in the US, 6 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: and while I know the term, I'm going to list 7 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: off now that I've researched. It is not considered offensive 8 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: in places such as the UK. Apparently here in the 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: US it is considered a slur. 10 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: I have already changed it. So it's going to read 11 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: as like in the little. 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: Asterisk, Oh yeah, is it? 13 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: It's uh, we'll read and we're out there. 14 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: Email twenty one. Have a friend my age who loves 15 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: dressing up for all occasions, especially Halloween. This year, she 16 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: was inspired by our local festival to dress up as 17 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: a pirate, but not just any pirate an Amazon an 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: Amazon Prime labeled the costume a pirate and. 19 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: Which is a slur for roma people? 20 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: Should I what should I say? 21 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: Pirate G? 22 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: A pirate G? But that sounds like cool? 23 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: A pirate sler? 24 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: A pirate G sler? 25 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I know that is how you'll 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: have to refer to it. 27 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: By the way, this comes from worldliness old two two 28 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: nine on the r slash Okay story time subredd It So, 29 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: a group of us decided to meet up for a 30 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: picture at a church trick or trunk with some of 31 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: our kiddos and another friend of mine, Mail twenty three 32 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: complimented her on her outfit. She went all out with jewelry, 33 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: a hat, swords, fakes, guards, et cetera. I mean, what 34 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: if she couldn't. 35 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: She just like she could have just relabeled it, Like, 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 2: couldn't she just yeah? 37 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: Could she just say I'm a pirate cool pie? 38 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah she said she was. 39 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: Or I'm a vagabond that travels. 40 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: There was a lot of different a lot of different 41 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: ways she could have said that. 42 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: Yeah what She later posted pictures on social media. She 43 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: captured it actually calling herself a pirate g sler. I 44 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: thought nothing of this, as I really never cared for 45 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: what a gesler is. Not being mean, I just never 46 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: thought about it in truth. Hours after this post, there 47 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: was a text screenshotting her posts sent to a newly 48 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: made and separate group chat without this friend. It was 49 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: let's go with Jay from the trick or Trunk. He 50 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: was absolutely livid at her for the post, saying he 51 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: was grossed out by her insensitivity and outright racist behavior. 52 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: To be fair, I don't think a lot of people 53 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: know about that. 54 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: I honestly don't think a lot I wouldn't. I think 55 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: I wouldn't leap to immediately be like, you are being racist. 56 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: I'd be like, hey, just so you know, this is 57 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: a considered a slur by you know, roman people. 58 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: I asked what in the world he was talking about, 59 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: and when him and another friend explained to me why 60 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: it's coniered a slur to the Romani people, I agreed 61 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: her post was not good, but I highly doubted she 62 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: knew of this. This isn't someone I could ever see 63 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: being outwardly hateful to really anyone for anything, especially not 64 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: in social media. Yeah, a lot of people are just 65 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: not educated on this. And also there's like stuff on 66 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: TikTok where people will be like that's a slur, and 67 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: then it's actually not a slur, Like like I got 68 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: shot on for saying but picnic on TikTok, which is 69 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: totally not a slur. But people were like, how dare 70 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: you say picnic? Because there was one video on TikTok 71 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: that would be viral about picnics. This isn't someone I 72 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: could see being outwardly hateful to really anyone for anything, 73 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: especially not on social media. Another friend suggested that if 74 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: I was so confused, maybe she was, that it could 75 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: be an innocent mistake and an issue of just not knowing. Jay, however, 76 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: claims that ignorance is not excuse, is not an excuse 77 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: for a full display of cultural appropriation and racism. I 78 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: think it totally is an excuse. 79 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, I think there are different types 80 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: of ignorances. 81 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not hateful ignorance. This is I accidentally 82 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: dressed up as the wrong thing. Yeah, and it's actually 83 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: titled my dress up of the wrong Thing. Yeah. 84 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: I think there is types of ignorance where you were 85 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: raised ignorant and you are, you know, hating on a 86 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: specific like group of people just because you were ignorant 87 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: of the world, and that is a problem. But I 88 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: think this ignorance is like I literally didn't know that 89 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: was a slur because. 90 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not many people know how many people. 91 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: I mean, we're constant languages constantly evolving, and we're constantly discovering, 92 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 2: you know, more information about how to be more inclusive. Yeah, 93 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: and language that we use today like queer is now, 94 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: you know, very popularly used term. 95 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: But it was like it was offensive a decade ago. 96 00:04:59,240 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: It was offensive. 97 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think it's just like being obviously, if 98 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 2: someone's being outwardly hateful, you'd be called out. But I 99 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: think it's it's just being kind and informative when telling 100 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: people about things. 101 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 1: So Jay, however, claims that ignorance is not an excuse 102 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: for full display of cultural appropriation and racism. He may 103 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: have a point to that, but I would really like 104 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: to message this friend to speak to her personally on this, 105 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: just to get her perspective. But he says it's too 106 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: late for any of that, that she's not special and 107 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: shouldn't be forgiven whether she knows what she posted was 108 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: harmful or not. He says she is no longer invited 109 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: to tomorrow's Halloween bash and he is going to block 110 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: her on all social media forms, not wanting to associate 111 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: with a racist. 112 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: This is too far, in my opinion, This is too far. 113 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: This is some I feel like if you want to 114 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: be actively you know, anti racist and actively working on 115 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 2: that and stuff and trying to better the world, you 116 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: have to sometimes, especially like for white people, you have 117 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: to inform people. Yeah, that's art, like your our job 118 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 2: is to educate ourselves and educate other people. 119 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: I think, not just I mean. And also, if you 120 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: completely block this person out, you have stopped the education. 121 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like, oh, well they're not going to 122 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: learn now. 123 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I say he's blown this way out of 124 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: proportion because we don't even know what her intentions were. Well, 125 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: they don't, but I do because I message her. I 126 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: asked her why she chose her costume. That's how I 127 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: found out about the Renaissance Fair inspo and the Amazon 128 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: Prime costume pieces. I haven't even told her about Jay 129 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: and the rest of the group chat yet. And she 130 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: literally said to me, oh, the costume is a G 131 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: Sler pirate on Amazon with a screenshot. Does this prove 132 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: I'm right? 133 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: No? 134 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: Does this kind of open the door to the possibility 135 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: I may be right? Yes? So I want to wait. 136 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: I don't want to just cut someone off who may 137 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: not know what they did was anything wrong? Should I tell? 138 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 3: Or? 139 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: Am I the a hole for not just cutting her off? 140 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: Right here? And now? What else can I do? And 141 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: there are some comments I think. 142 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: It would be pretty I don't know. I feel like, 143 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: that's the worst thing to do. Just cut her off 144 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: without telling her what she did? Yeah, everyone, what happened? Yeah, no, 145 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: I think that. Just just tell her, Hey, like, you know, 146 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: some people consider this offensive. Probably wouldn't call that, you 147 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: know that. And if she goes well, I think you're 148 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: wrong and like yeah, I don't care whatever, then then 149 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: she's the a hole. But we don't know what she's 150 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: gonna say until you tell her. 151 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: Also, like, can we hear from like I want to 152 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: hear from the Romani people. 153 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: I think, I mean, this is from what I have 154 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: heard is coming from Romani people, Like, No, I. 155 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: Want I want them, I want I want this peron 156 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: to apologize people. I want I want the people this 157 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: apology right now. 158 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they need it. 159 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: But comments Legitimate Net twelve ninety four says Jay sounds 160 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: more obsessed with policing other people instead of teaching other people. 161 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: He has blown this way out of proportion, and it 162 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: would absolutely make me reevaluate my friendship with him. 163 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: I honestly agree. Yeah, it's really frustrating to be with 164 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: people who are so vigilant. 165 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: In well doesn't allow any room for education. 166 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: I think there is there is a time place for 167 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: that kind of behavior where you're just like, I can't 168 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: educate this person because they are not willing to learn. 169 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: And it's you know, a lot of effort with someone 170 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: who's actively prejudiced or something, and then there's just like, 171 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: you know, someone didn't know that a word was offensive 172 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: or they you know, said something that was a little 173 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 2: bit off, and you just cut them off. Like we're humans. 174 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: People are going to make mistakes from time to time. 175 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: You're not going to know everything. 176 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, no one knows everything. 177 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: I I I'm almost positive that this person that's cutting out, 178 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: uh the costume lady, I bet he found out about 179 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: this like one to five years ago. Yeah, there's no 180 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: way he's known in his whole life. 181 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: Well, I mean like with like, the thing is with 182 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: children when they say a bad word or you know, 183 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 2: swear or something like that, we don't immediately like ostracize 184 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: them because we're like, oh, well, they're are a child, 185 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 2: they're literally learning the language. And I think that sometimes 186 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 2: we need to also understand that people learn language their 187 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: whole life. You're constantly learning things, and you're there shouldn't 188 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: be an expectation that you know everything. 189 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, but we got an update one day later. 190 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: So small update for you all because I am heading 191 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: off to bed. So it's only been a few hours 192 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: since my last post, and I won't lie. A lot 193 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: of the comments I've gotten have been really eye opening 194 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: and some absolutely hilarious. I already edited my first post 195 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: to clarify a few things and answer some questions, so 196 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: if you read the updated version, please skip the below. 197 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: Is Jay Romani? No? I asked him again. He has 198 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: no Romani ties he is aware of. Is he the 199 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: host of the Boo Bash? Also? No, this is her 200 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: second year having a bash and it is again at 201 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: another friend's barn. Is Jay a Christian? I'm not sure 202 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: how that's relevant, but no, he's actually an atheist. Update below, 203 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: So I decided to take some of your advice and 204 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: basically message Mia as we'll call her, asking her about 205 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: her own version events. I was worried someone else may 206 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: have already messaged her, but based on our conversation, I 207 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: don't think so. To put it simply, she claims to 208 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: have no idea what the word gee slur even memes 209 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: could be and how it could be offensive to members 210 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: of their community, and immediately changed her post to say 211 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: she was a renaissance pirate. I tried to take it 212 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: as a moment to educate, like you all suggested, and 213 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: she was receptive of that and very apologetic. Thought I explained, 214 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: I don't feel she had anything to be sorry to 215 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: me for. I wasn't offended. I have no right to be, 216 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: but I just wanted her to be aware for the future. 217 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: Around the same time, I decided not to tell her 218 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: about what Jay had said, hoping to message him myself 219 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: and smooth some things over by explaining her perspective. I 220 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: knew he wasn't open to listening at first, but he 221 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: had a few hours to cool down, so maybe it 222 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: was worth a shot. Maybe this didn't need to be 223 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: a big blow up where someone's feelings got hurt. 224 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 2: I doubt it. Seems like Jay's pretty up in arms. 225 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: Well, if there is any chance of that, Jay set 226 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: that chance on fire and poured on it gasoline when 227 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: he edited me out of the group photo. What the 228 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: heck does he need a virtue sigle that hard? This 229 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: is crazy, Kin, Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, we understand 230 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: we shouldn't be. 231 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: Did she say that Jay is like what races is? 232 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: J White? 233 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: Jay is not Romani Romani Rumney as Caitlyn Man I 234 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: haven't said now in her place was either a big 235 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: white blurry area or half an eyeball from a poorly 236 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: cropped selfie. So he didn't even he didn't even enter. 237 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: Out well, he didn't even use. 238 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: The deleted her and left white. Mia saw this and 239 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: started messaging the original chat, asking Jay what was wrong 240 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: and if she'd upset him somehow. Remember when he said 241 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: he was blocking her in all socials, Well I guess 242 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: that was a lie because he was still in the 243 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: chat with her and responded saying that we had made 244 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: a decision as a group to no longer associate with her, which. 245 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: Isn't even true. That's just his decision because OP hasn't 246 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: agreed to that. 247 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: I was absolutely stunned. I couldn't believe what I was reading, 248 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: and honestly, I'm still at a loss for what made 249 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: him think this was a good idea to say he 250 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: speaks for all of us, especially where we can all 251 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: see and find it ourselves. Mia kept typing and deleting, 252 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: typing and deleting while Jay spam messaged her about how 253 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: gross her behavior was and she can't just change the post. 254 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: Now you can't turn back time and change what you 255 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: said like a coward. 256 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: Honestly, I would not be friends with this guy anymore. 257 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: This guy sounds exhausted. 258 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: He sounds insufferable. 259 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 2: He sounds like a miserable person. 260 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: At some point we were notified Mia left the group chat, 261 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: and I just feel awful for not reaching out sooner. 262 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: Everyone started to argue with Jay that he was wrong 263 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: for all all of that and really needed to relax, 264 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: maybe not speak for the rest of us as we 265 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: are also adults, et cetera. The only way he seemed 266 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: to know how to respond was with, well, I don't 267 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: regret it. I've said what I have to say. 268 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: But you also said what you thought everyone else had 269 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: to say. 270 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: Well, I beg to divvr. So that's when I screen 271 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: recorded the entire snapchat combo in the group chat he 272 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: made without Mia. I've not said this or shown this 273 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: to her. I'm currently trying to calm her down, along 274 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: with her life partner, who is calling my roommate all confused. 275 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: Roommate is the friend with the barn. Hopefully by tomorrow 276 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: I have a more of an accurate actual update as 277 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: to whether we think Jay and Mia can and even 278 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: should maintain friendship or keep in the same circle of friends. Honestly, 279 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: Jay is gonna be one of those people that just 280 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: cuts out all of his friends. 281 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's gonna be a day when you make some 282 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: sort of mistake and he's gonna cut you off. 283 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: This guy is insufferable, and I just feel I just 284 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: feel like he's whole. This is an impossible standard. This 285 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: is an impossible standard that he's setting, and also a 286 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: fundamentally flawed standard for creating the type of world that 287 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: you want to live in. If you want to live 288 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: in a world where people are being respectful of all 289 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: racist cultures, ethnic groups, what have you, you need to 290 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: give space for education. If you just isolate, what happens 291 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: is you have echo chambers that build and build in 292 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: popularity and population, because if you just keep exiling people 293 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: that don't agree with you, then all of a sudden 294 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: you have all these people who are exiled instead of educating. 295 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean one of the reasons, the main reasons 296 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: why we have racism and prejudice is because of lack 297 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 2: of education. And so if you're just like, well I'm 298 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: not going to do it, it's like okay, yeah, yeah, 299 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: you're not going to get the world that you want 300 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: if it's purely if it's purely ignorant and not based 301 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: off of hate. 302 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and honestly, I feel Jay is doing something hateful, yes, 303 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: out of a place of like virtue, absolutely, which is 304 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: kind of what virtue signaling is. It's like, it's like 305 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: being mean by how virtuous you are. 306 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: You like, well, I'm so much better than you, so 307 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: you can even be in my presence. 308 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's like take a move. 309 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 310 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I've already decided myself 311 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: that if this breaks us and I choose a side, 312 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: I choose Mia because everyone makes mistakes, everybody has those days. 313 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: Everybody knows what I'm what I'm talking about. 314 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: And I really think that's all her post slash costume was. Yeah, 315 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: I don't think she was doing a hit piece on 316 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: the realm of people by posting this following costume. Again, 317 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: thank you for all the advice and I will try 318 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: to keep you all updated as things play out. Sorry 319 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: for any typos. I am absolutely exhausted. Happy November first, 320 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: and there is an edit and an ad but Sofia 321 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: really quick, Yes, what do you think about this whole thing? 322 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: Is me an evil Roma hater that wants nothing more 323 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: than to see this, uh, this traveling community meet their demise. 324 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: Are they still traveling? What what's the what's what's the 325 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: update with them? 326 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 2: No? I think that with the Roma people, well, I 327 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 2: think it was from what I remember, and this could 328 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 2: be slightly incorrect, I think it was a lot of 329 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 2: Romani people were kind of like because of political stuff 330 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: happening at the time, they were like a lot of 331 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: them were in poverty and they were having to travel 332 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: and sell things and stuff right to sustain like livelihood, 333 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: and so then they gained this reputation that was you know, 334 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: incorrect and prejudiced. 335 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: So I think no, so they're not a nomadic people there. 336 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: Okay, So from again from my recollection, I believe there 337 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: are two uses of the juiceler. There are people who 338 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: are still like just travelers, no relation to reminding people right, 339 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 2: and they're like some people will call them the g seler. 340 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: And then there are Realmani people who they also used 341 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: to do. So there's like two sections of it. 342 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: I feel like the most common use of the g 343 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: slur is is just for traveling. Like when you think 344 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: about traveling group of people, you call them this, and 345 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: then also if someone's like, oh my god, I got 346 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: uh totally taken advantage of in my money. 347 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 2: Situation, Yes, and then it will use that. 348 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, I don't think anyone's actually or at least 349 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: I don't think this person by saying this is targeting 350 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: a group, even though it could. 351 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,719 Speaker 2: Be her, but it historically has been used as a 352 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: slur for this group of people. 353 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, but are you ready for this next edit? No, 354 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: we did not just sit by while Jay said our 355 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: group made a decision. I am not a frequent redditor 356 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: slash poster, so I kind of made it sound like 357 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: we all just let him tell her off before Mia 358 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: left the group. Absolutely not. We immediately started arguing with him, 359 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: but in all honesty, our messages were kind of lost 360 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: in the sea of spam texting. He has a short 361 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: sentenced typer if you will, or a one worder. We 362 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: got some comments and some extra stuff. Capital Temporary says 363 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: he just doesn't like her and finally found something that 364 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: he could use to get the group to drop her 365 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: drop him instead, and Pristine Waller's forty says when people 366 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: talk about toxic people, they mean people like Jay. 367 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: I honestly don't even think it's that he doesn't like her. 368 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: I think sometimes there are people who do virtue signal 369 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: so hard that anything. 370 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: Do you know people like that? 371 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: I've known, not currently, but I do. I have known 372 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: people like that in college. 373 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: Dude, insufferable. Yeah, it must be insufferable. 374 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, like, what are you doing? 375 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: Yeah? But we got an update thirteen hours later, So 376 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: I all right to pose this twice now. Please let 377 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: me know if you see it. So it was less 378 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: than nine hours ago. I've posted an update on this situation, 379 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: and already so much has happened since I woke up 380 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: around seven this morning. First of all, we have a 381 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: new group chat that is appropriately called feels very high 382 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: School without Jay and it or his best friend, who 383 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: has been pretty silent in all of this. We have 384 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: nothing against him, but we are irritated as he was 385 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: watching the entire time. Jay went off in the group 386 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: and spoke for the rest of us, which, by the way, 387 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: I do apologize for not being more clear. We absolutely 388 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: stuck up for me while she was still in the 389 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: group chat, minus the one. Now that I'm more awake 390 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: and have the time to type it all out, I 391 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: will elaborate further on what exactly he said. More fake 392 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: names below. This has typed out word for word, as 393 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: I'm not comfy sharing the screenshots online. Some parts skipped 394 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: over for time in reading purposes. Okay me, Hey Jay, 395 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: is everything okay between us? Your post kind of hurt 396 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: my feels? 397 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: Are we shortening feelings because you are a little bit off? 398 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I just feel like I feel like you vibe. 399 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: Checked me really hard and that put me in my feelings. 400 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, it feels like you're throwing my feels down 401 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: my skimmity toilet, you know, and flushing far Come on, 402 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: what do you mean people say skimmity toilet? I'm not context, 403 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: do you how do people say it? 404 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not in that that. I'm not like, 405 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 2: I'm not in Jen Alpha. 406 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: I know I I know more Jen Alpha than you. 407 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: I know how to But. 408 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 2: That's that's so skibbety. I know disgusting. 409 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: Jack knows. I've learned from him the ways, the ways. 410 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 3: JA, don't act like you don't know what you did. 411 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 3: I don't believe for a second you did not learn 412 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 3: about the g words leur in high school, just like 413 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 3: the rest of us. 414 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 2: I didn't learn about it in high school and learn 415 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 2: about it from like TikTok, and then I did my 416 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: own research. 417 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: Jay. 418 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 3: You don't get a pass just because you're stressed or whatever. 419 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: Mike. Uh, No one cares who's making jello shots? Jay, 420 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: and give them. 421 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 3: Don't give me this nonsense about you going to a 422 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: private school. They learn it there. 423 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: Too, Mia Uh. Jay, I am sorry. I really didn't 424 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: have any idea, Are you real body? I had no clue. 425 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: Heavily will it calm down? Jesus Christ, isn't that deep, dude? Jay? 426 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 3: Ignorance and disrespect others is just effic disgusting. 427 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 2: This is the perfect voice for Jay. 428 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 3: No one wats you at the Barten tonight. By the way, Jay, 429 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 3: we all agreed you shouldn't come over if you are 430 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 3: fine being so uneducated? 431 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: Reddit Op, what the hell? Reddit OPI? Mia, we absolutely 432 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: did not, Mia, reddit Op told me earlier. I changed, uh, 433 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: and I changed my post, Jay, I swear it was 434 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: not on purpose. Mia. You guys have another group. 435 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 2: Dang, that's the worst part of all. Find out you're 436 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: excluded from the other group. 437 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 3: Chat, Jay, we don't associate. We don't associate ourselves like 438 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 3: that online, Mia. 439 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: Jay, you understand Jay. Okay, now, Emily, Mia, no one 440 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: said that he is a pussy and made another group chat. 441 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: What do I say instead of a piece Emily to 442 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: spew his crap. They're one word texters too. They're all 443 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: doing one line texters, Jay, because you were being willfully 444 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: on ignorant here. Honestly, it was really gross. Emily. Of 445 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: course you agree with her. Mike. I'm more worried about 446 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: my alcohol than I am about this crap. You don't 447 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: speak for literally anyone. Jays stopped being a craphead. Mike 448 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: isn't an alcoholic. He's just trying to light in the mood. 449 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: I think that's uh, that was weird. Jay. 450 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 3: It literally isn't my fault. 451 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: Read an op, Jay, you better get that stick out 452 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: of your booty. Jay. 453 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 3: She keeps on saying she didn't know. She absolutely does, 454 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 3: and all of you are making excuses for her. Ignorance 455 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 3: is not an excuse. 456 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: For her very public display of cultural appropriation and use 457 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: of slurs. 458 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 2: Mike, you can imagine Batman seeing this dude needs a 459 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 2: break killer. 460 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: I the stop Evan. Mia is not a racist. Quit it. 461 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: Mia leaves at some point and we go back and 462 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: forth for a while, Jay, what if she had said 463 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: the N word? Jay? She is white, REDDITOPI are you 464 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: being serious, Emily? Everyone knows the N word is bad. Jay. 465 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: That is not the same Read it, Opie. She left 466 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: You're a booty Jay because she knows I'm wrong, Jay, 467 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: not wrong. 468 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 2: Oh it seem tight. We had a TYPEO. He goes 469 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 2: because she knows I'm wrong, not wrong? 470 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: Later on, read it, Opie, Jay, she really did take 471 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: this as a learning moment. You definitely need to calm down. 472 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: You and I both know that Mia would never post 473 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: something she thought could be perceived as offensive. It was 474 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,239 Speaker 1: just like we said earlier. She had no idea it 475 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: was even a bad thing to say, just like I 476 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: wasn't aware before you told me this was a mistake, 477 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,479 Speaker 1: and you have blown this totally out of proportion. I 478 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: don't know how else to put it or what else 479 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: she can do other than have changed her post and apologized. 480 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: Jay said, you always play devil's advocate. It's honestly exhausting, Jay, 481 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: tiring person. Jay, Deleting her post doesn't mean blank to 482 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: the people she offended. The f rediop Who did she offend? Emily? 483 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: Who do you know that she directly offended Jay. 484 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 3: She offended an entire culture and race, and Jay is 485 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 3: the only one who can stand up. 486 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean someone's someone's. 487 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: Got someone's got to be the savior. 488 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, the need it, need it. Jay is the only 489 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: person anyway. I've responded since those messages, but Emily and 490 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: might cash it out for a bit. Evan is at work, 491 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: so who knows where his head's even at Mea didn't 492 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 1: say much to Jay, but has been vocal in our 493 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: feels very high school chat. She left because she felt 494 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: attacked and she didn't have the energy to deal with 495 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: all the drama right now. She doesn't know if she 496 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: will dress up tonight. Jay has pretty much ruined the 497 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: pirate costume for her, I think, no matter what it 498 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: is called. Her life partner is encouraging her to just 499 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: let it go and have a fun night, while Emily, 500 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: my roommate with the barn, is pretty certain she wants 501 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: to tell Jay he isn't invited on her mother's property. Yeah, 502 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: let's freaking go. She's really upset with the way he 503 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: just dismissed what we all have been telling him, and 504 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: we agree his retaliation to what Mia posted wasn't uncalled for. 505 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: It was honestly insane, especially with the whole blurring her 506 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: photo out online. I told her I'm one hundred percent 507 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: on board with asking Jay to stay away if he 508 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: can't let it go and be civil tonight. Next on 509 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: the agenda, a lot of you asked if maybe Jay 510 00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: has another personal issue with Mia. I asked, Mia just 511 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: dropped a bombshell of a puzzle piece before I finished 512 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: up this post, which she does know exists now, and 513 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: I'm allowed to share what she said. This is from 514 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: This is from Mia. I wonder if he found out 515 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: I didn't lie for him. He left to use the 516 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: restroom for over an hour again, and they asked me 517 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: about it. Me and Jay are both med students at 518 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: the same department, and with not enough nurses to go around, 519 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: oftentimes they will help. I'mund the medical field, so I 520 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: don't know much aside from that. Mia is apparently the 521 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: youngest MS they've had in a while. To get patients 522 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: in a room, Mia said, it's important to tell you 523 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: they do not take vitals without a nurse. They just 524 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: help them get situated. And Jay apparently has been going 525 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: off to use the restroom at random times of the 526 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: day for unusually long periods of time, or said off 527 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: to help the nurses out. Again, Mia was pulled aside 528 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: one day and asked by supervising physician where Jay went again. 529 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: Mia said she wasn't sure. The manager later came and 530 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: asked her also. She was honest as time and said 531 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: he claimed he really had to use the restroom a 532 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: while ago. She brushed the interaction off for the time 533 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: being and went on with whatever she was doing during 534 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: the time. But here's the part that makes all of 535 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: this even more relative and really makes me go hmm. 536 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: Emily says. One of the reasons Jay gave her for 537 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: why he left the church trick to trunk early was 538 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: he had an important phone call schedule with his supervisor. Again, 539 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: not sure how this mens student stuff works, and Mia 540 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: is busy at the moment, so she can't really elaborate further. 541 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: But we're all assuming that the timeline matches just two perfectly. 542 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: M hmmmm h Yeah, he got in trouble. 543 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so basically Mia wasn't going to cover for him 544 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: and he is now in trouble. After hearing all of this, 545 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: I honestly changed my mind. Maybe we should be the 546 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: ones to go on a blocking spree and cut out 547 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: Jay from our lives for possibly trying to use me 548 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,719 Speaker 1: as mistake as a way to seek his revenge. Not 549 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: sure what to do at the moment, but Emily really 550 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: doesn't want to see his face now if our assumptions 551 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: are correct, because what the actual hell. Lastly, I do 552 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: want to add before I go that I will again 553 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: make edits and clarifications as needed. I hope I explained 554 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: all that correctly. Let me know how I can help 555 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: you better understand. Edited to calling myself redditt ope because 556 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: me myself just looks weird and not an update. He outside, 557 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: He's outside, he's this is coming up. But man, yeah, 558 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: what do you think about this update? It seems like 559 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: he's probably just trying to get revenge. 560 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it could all could be both. 561 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: It could be he's upset with her and lashed out 562 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 2: way harder. But I also think that sometimes people are 563 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 2: just really strong for she signalers. 564 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see I could see you. 565 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 2: I could see him doing this without even having been maligned. 566 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: But maybe, I mean he has extra incentive to do it. 567 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, well, this is my moments. 568 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: So we got an update so uh not an update. 569 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: He outside, So we're gonna figure out what that man. 570 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: Since some people think our friends group's drama is more 571 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: entertaining than TLC Lifetime, I've decided to type it as such, 572 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: in a my slightly tipsy stupor. Oh I'm going to 573 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: leave you all on a beloved cliffhanger. Here is your 574 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: eight PM update. This fine November first night, Jay was 575 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,959 Speaker 1: told not to show up here. Jay is now pulling 576 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: up here now now I say, okay, bye, I'll be 577 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: back tomorrow at some point. Oh, like you're literally outside? 578 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: He literally outside? 579 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 2: What happened? Okay, that's so ominous. So he's like he's coming, 580 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 2: He's outside. 581 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: Man, all right, Moonlight Wolf says, Honestly, Jay seems very 582 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: wrapped up in middle school, high school mindset, in med school. 583 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: You can't just disappear and not tell your supervisor or 584 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: the attending physician. He should definitely not be allowed at 585 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: the party tonight, as he was more focused on getting 586 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: his payback than being a civilized human being. Unfortunately, Geezer 587 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: is negatively viewed for reasons I don't want to get into. 588 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: But not everyone knows that Jay was likely looking for 589 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: AMMO to backfire, to fire back at her, and he did, 590 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: but in being a jackass, he likely just lost a 591 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: handful of people who have been his friends. If he 592 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: shows up, tell him that he's trespassing on private property, 593 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: and if he doesn't leave, he'll get the cops called 594 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: on him. That marks on his record and should definitely 595 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: scare him. You can't make a group decision without actually 596 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: discussing and coming to an agreement as a group. That's 597 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: not how that crap works. An OP response, That's exactly 598 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: how I feel. I don't think this was ever about 599 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: him even having a white savior complex or anything like that. 600 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: If the numbers are adding upright, he was looking for 601 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: something to hurt her with. But that being said, we 602 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: don't know one hundred percent. This went an entirely different 603 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: direction than what I expected, and there was another update. 604 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 2: I need to know what happened with him being outside. 605 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: Right, let's get the update. Good morning, well afternoon for me. 606 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: But I also just got over a massive hangover, so 607 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: it feels like my day is actually just getting started. 608 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: I left you all off on a poorly typed cliffhanger 609 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: last night. When Jay pulled up to the barn, Emily 610 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: formally uninvited him as I was typing the last update, 611 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: part two, and he opened it but never responded. After 612 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: a few more hateful messages, both personally in group chats, 613 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: he went silent for a few hours. No one heard 614 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: or saw him until his best friend's car pulled up. 615 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: We hadn't uninvited his friend because although he was in 616 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: the group chat, no one is really super close to him. 617 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: It's all around a weird sitchuation, but he seems like 618 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: a nice guy if we're honest. He pulled up, and 619 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: when I watched from the side as Jay popped out 620 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: of the passenger's side, that is when. That is when 621 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: I made my last post. We did convince Mia it 622 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: was okay to wear a costume as planned, and her 623 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: partner was busy in the nearby house helping make drinks, 624 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 1: so he didn't quite see Jay arrive. Jay got out 625 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: of his car and was pretty quiet. Most of the 626 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: other people there, friends of friends, a few dates and neighbors, 627 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: et cetera, had no idea what was going on, but 628 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: I swear to God, the air still felt tense even 629 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: to a few of them, because his body language was 630 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: super story. 631 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 2: She was uninvited. 632 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: No, he was uninvited. 633 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, embarrassing. 634 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: He seemed already wasted, maybe high, but we aren't sure. 635 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: Despite that, it was fine up until I told Emily 636 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 1: he was there and asked if she needed help asking 637 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: him to leave. Instead, we decided to wait it out 638 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: for a moment, see if you would act civil. And 639 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: then I realized, in my tipsy stupor that honestly, someone 640 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: should have asked me a if she was comfortable with 641 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: him being there. She is the one who's being attacked. 642 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: This isn't just about him speaking for us, It's about 643 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: his hate towards her. So I straight up asked if 644 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: she wanted him to leave. She said if he came 645 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: up to her or made any comments, probably, but she 646 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: also chose to give him a chance, which he didn't deserve, 647 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: just to mind his own business. Yeah, she's so forgiving, 648 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: and he is like, oh, yeah, so not. Yeah, Sadly, 649 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: that is not what happened, not even close. It was 650 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: all fine again, a little test but in a little tense, 651 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: but overall he stayed in his own lane until a 652 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: little while later he seemed even more out of it, 653 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 1: taking off the tie to his costume American psycho fitting, 654 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: how fitting and losing it somewhere. He became really loud 655 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: and slurred his words. No I was doing his best 656 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: friend was supposed to be his DD, but also started 657 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,919 Speaker 1: drinking and at some point left, not in his own car. 658 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: Still here this morning, we were hoping to hear back 659 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: from him soon and I'll let everyone know when he 660 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: is found safe. So Jay came up to one of 661 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: us for the first time the entire the entire night, 662 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: asking to crash here instead of seeing about car service. Mike, 663 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: who is Emily's boyfriend, said absolutely not, and then someone 664 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: I don't remember who jumped in, saying that Mia was 665 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: staying the night and that even if she says it's fine, 666 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 1: they know it isn't. So all the friends are going 667 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: to bat for Mia. 668 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 2: Also, it's just so strange to be uninvited to a 669 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 2: party still go and then be like can I can. 670 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: I say say yeah, even after you like isolated all 671 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: your friends. 672 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you did this. They gave you multiple chances. 673 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: What do you think Jay is going to be totally chill? 674 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 3: No? 675 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: No oh? Jay absolutely lost his crap. He started screaming 676 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: things we could barely understand, but collectively, this is what 677 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: we put together, Mia, Mia, Mia, everyone chooses Mia. Who 678 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 1: do we all care? She a Rasis looks like a 679 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: slute in costume. He also sounded like he was saying 680 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: something about a te's or a tease, but Mike's, but 681 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: Mike thinks it was actually teas. Like I said, he 682 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 1: was basically gone at that point, and it was even 683 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: hard to understand when he was asking to spend the night. 684 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 2: So much for his virtue signaling calling women's slutes. 685 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, very virtuous of you, Bud.