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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't think you never know what stories

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Speaker 1: of things. We simply don't know the answer too well.

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Speaker 1: Hi there, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Devin, I'm Steve, I'm Joe, and we're gonna definitely

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Speaker 1: solve a mystery tonight. We are. Hell yeah, don't you

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Speaker 1: think we're going to solve this one? You don't think

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Speaker 1: the based on the name not so much. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry to be a naysayer, but I I got reservations tonight.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. It's uh so we're doing this case. It's

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Speaker 1: called Jane Doe to four five U F v A.

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Speaker 1: It's a really sexy name, right yeah? Would you dress

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Speaker 1: it up? Rolls off the tongue of parents would name

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Speaker 1: their kids. So yeah, I mean, you know, let's just

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Speaker 1: get into it. Our story starts on December eighteenth, six

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Speaker 1: in the Pleasant Valley Memorial Park, which is a small

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Speaker 1: cemetery in Annandale, Virginia. That's how you say that name, right,

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Speaker 1: Annandale sounds just like um. The body of an unidentified

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Speaker 1: woman is found in the part of the cemetery that's

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Speaker 1: designated for children's graves. And now this is one of

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Speaker 1: the things I heard this thing about about this cemetery,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't know that cemeteries typically has segregated children's sections.

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Speaker 1: I think smaller cemeteries often do this. Is it it's

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Speaker 1: in a smaller town. Well, and isn't it the cemetery

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Speaker 1: is old? Yeah, no, actually it's not. The cemetery itself

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Speaker 1: near more very recent grows. Okay, no, actually I did

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Speaker 1: a little research on the cemetery. They've got a webpage. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they didn't start the cemetery. Oh that's all to me.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah it was it was

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Speaker 1: somebody's estate. Apparently somebody looks, you know, some very wealthy

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Speaker 1: person there and their stays sold to developers who created

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Speaker 1: the cemetery. Right. I think in smaller places they often

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Speaker 1: a naturally high rate of invent mortality there or anything

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Speaker 1: like that they needed that. I don't really know why

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Speaker 1: fifty bills, one was for the corner and one was

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Speaker 1: for the cemetery. Cemetery, and they both had the note

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Jane Doe. So, first off, that's a little weird.

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Speaker 1: She signed Jane Doe doesn't want an autopsy, and really

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Speaker 1: fifty dollars for cremation obviously created anybody for a long

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Speaker 1: long time, it's has gone up, Yeah, a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So all right, it's it's already a little bit weird.

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Speaker 1: That's unusual. Right. So she had apparently taken some valium

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Speaker 1: Um they found her knapsack and it had two empty

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Speaker 1: It's hard to believe, sir, because in the history of man,

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Speaker 1: Weird which starts out like the now I lay me

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Speaker 1: be able to replicate. Yeah, they do, they specify. Some

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Speaker 1: it all right. So, she was wearing a teal all

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Speaker 1: So another thing that people are talking about, right, is

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Speaker 1: these things, these medicals, Yeah, do they actually it's numbered.

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Speaker 1: There's no medical issuance of these things. You might actually

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Speaker 1: a we're exactly how exactly do you get access to

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Speaker 1: of that Jeff Foxworthy tape and played it backwards and

426
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: that wasn't the one she was listening to when she

427
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: year old man. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I play

428
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: all this stuff backwards and I'm sure the answer will

429
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: be there. Yeah. I think probably that's true. So the

430
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: next theory is my favorite one. Um, I like it

431
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: a lot. Is that cover one? No? If not if

432
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: the Marjorie West connection. So Marjorie West is a mystery

433
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: to herself, she and I don't think that we need

434
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: to really go into a lot of details, but suffice

435
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: to say that she's a girl who is still classified

436
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: as endangered missing. She's not been classified as presumed dead yet,

437
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: which is interesting. She was born in nineteen thirty three

438
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: and disappeared in nineteen thirty eight when she was four

439
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: years old. And so here are the pictures of fat

440
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: so Low. Long time to be just listed as in danger? Yeah,

441
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: so especially look at this one, right, this is a

442
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: very cute little girl. We'll post these pictures. Of course.

443
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: She looks a little bit like Shirley Temple, got red,

444
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: curly hair and blue eyes. And then look at the

445
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 1: Jane Doe picture again, I feel like they look a

446
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: lot alike. I feel like their jawlines are very similar.

447
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: They've got very similar colored hair and textured hair. I

448
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: can't tell what color this woman's eyes are, but I

449
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: feel they look very similar. Yeah, it's hard, it's hard,

450
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: but because it's like sixty years different years difference. And

451
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: here's the other thing that that bugs me is that

452
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: when I haven't seen a photo of our Jane Doe,

453
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: what you have there is a reconstruction of what she

454
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: looks like, So it's not an actual photo of her.

455
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: You know that that's a little that makes it a

456
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: little hard to decide if that's under percent accurate to

457
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: apply against a photograph, and that's fair, I guess I

458
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: just assume it's like a fairly accurate recreation, reconstruction. Well,

459
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that it's relatively or fairly accurate. That's

460
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: a good word to use because but it's not a photograph,

461
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: so that's true. But the point of this is that

462
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: it looks as close as they could possibly get to

463
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: what she looks like for identification purposes. Well, now the

464
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: thing about it is, so, what's what's Marjorie's last name? West?

465
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: Marjorie West. You know, if somebody really wanted to check

466
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: this out, would be fairly easy to do because she

467
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: still has I'm sure our living relatives, yes, and it

468
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: would be easy to do a DNA check and actually

469
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: find out. So that's one of the things. Because this

470
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: is just an internet quote internet theory, it doesn't seem

471
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: like the authorities are really buying it, which is fair,

472
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: and DNA tests are kind of expensive. I mean, Murray

473
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: does them all the time. But yeah, yeah, yeah, if

474
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: maybe she has a living sister that they used to

475
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: show like what she might look like, because they say

476
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: they looked a lot alike. But there's a picture of

477
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: her when she like a year after Marjorie disappeared, and

478
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: I don't think they looked that much like at all.

479
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: I don't think the pictures of that little girl and

480
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: this woman but she was older, wasn't changed a couple

481
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: of years. Yeah, Marjorie disappeared in nineteen thirty eight. She

482
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: would have been sixty three in nine six, which is

483
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: the approximate age they gave for this woman. They look

484
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: a lot alike. She was found in the infant place,

485
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,479
Speaker 1: which a lot of people and I kind of agree

486
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: that it could be a sort of mourning for her

487
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: own lost childhood, whatever happened to her. How old was

488
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: Marjorie when she was when she disappeared? Four Well, it's

489
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty well known that children that are that

490
00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: young that get abducted tend to not remember their families. Sure,

491
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: so unless she, you know, went through years of psychotherapy

492
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: or what is the other way, hypnosis or something again,

493
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: And I hate to to poo poo this on you,

494
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: but it's that's again that seems like a really big

495
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: reach to me, I guess, although I wouldn't say that

496
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: hypnosis and psychotherapy are the only way that you can

497
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: on earth hidden memories. True, but you know how many

498
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: cases are there where people come forward and say, I

499
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: just remembered suddenly that you know, this priest was doing

500
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: bad things to me and my own relation. So you know,

501
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 1: I think it's a fairly compelling theory that maybe you know,

502
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 1: she went on and had her own life and whatever happened,

503
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: and that's fine, and then you know, in her sixties

504
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: was suddenly like, oh my gosh. But you know, I

505
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: have two problems with this series. Number one is that people,

506
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: for some reason seem to think there might be a connection.

507
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: But to me, it's like, it's like an amazing coincidence

508
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: that we've got these two mysteries at book ending this

509
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: person's life. That's kind of a and and the other

510
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: thing is that supposedly she was abducted and somebody raised

511
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: her basically Marjorie. And yeah, there's not really any good

512
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: theories on what happened to her. But she lived for

513
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: but she lived for another another fifty nine years after

514
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: she was abducted, and and that time she had to

515
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: have formed relationships with people people would know her. So

516
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: some of those people at least would have you would think,

517
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: reported her missing. Yeah, you would think that, but you

518
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: would think that anybody would report somebody missing. Again, the

519
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: crowning mystery, and this whole thing is nobody knows, and

520
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: nobody has seems to have said, oh, this lady went

521
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: missing and this is who she is, you know, I mean,

522
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: there there's some ways to do it. I mean, there's

523
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: this there's people out there, like say, if if her

524
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: husband had died saying they had no kids, or maybe

525
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: their kids had died or whatever, and they didn't have

526
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: too many remaining family or friends or anything like that,

527
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: and she decided to just go off and kill herself,

528
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: you could just say something on the order of, you know,

529
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to move back to the East Coast and

530
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: live with my relatives, So throw me a going away party,

531
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna miss you guys, and goodbye, and I'll

532
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: send you a postcard once in a while, and then

533
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: just leave and and nobody knows and where you've gone to, everybody,

534
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: every everybody loses touch. But none of those people are

535
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: gonna file a missing missing person's report just because we

536
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: haven't sentible Letter's true, you're just reading ahead? Is what's

537
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: happening here? Are you going to talk about that? I

538
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: was going to talk about my other favorite theory that

539
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: people have, which I think is probably the most explanatory

540
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: of them all. You know sixty three, that's about when

541
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: husbands start to pass away. And one of the things

542
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: um that medical examiners noticed because they did While they

543
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: did not do an invasive autopsy, they did examine her body.

544
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: She had a C section scar, so she did have

545
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: children at one point. So it's this sort of poetic

546
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: idea of they didn't have any family. Really, she had

547
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: her husband, they had a baby, and it died. She

548
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: was fine with it as long as he was alive.

549
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: They tried again and again again. It didn't happen. This

550
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: is a really flushed story, let's be honest. You know,

551
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm I'm embellishing. But her husband dies, she's depressed about

552
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: that and relapses into depression about her dead baby thirty

553
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: odd years ago, and decides to kill herself, has one

554
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: last Christmas with the family, and then kills herself. Well,

555
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: and I can I can see some credens in that

556
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: now the she's in the children's section because she lost

557
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: a child, I don't know per se that that I

558
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: would follow along with that. I mean, it's quite plausible

559
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: that she I mean, obviously she's got the scar, so

560
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: she had at least one child. Might not have died

561
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: as a baby or toddler. It might have grown up

562
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: to be an adult who then died as a young adult.

563
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: That's true. Although what I know about Arrence is that

564
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: to them, their baby is always a baby, right, And

565
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: and so what I what I'm saying, or what I'm

566
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: getting at, is her being in that section of the

567
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: graveyard is not necessarily indicative of she lost her child

568
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: while it was a infant. That's true, But I I

569
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: also agree with that, I don't necessarily think it was

570
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: like baby died, you know what. That was my embellishment

571
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: on that story. So let's just say, all right, they

572
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: had a kid and it died at some point, at

573
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: some point. I think it's more plausible to believe that

574
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: it might be that that was just the remotest corner

575
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: of the cemetery or the darkest with at least street lighting,

576
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: and that her murderers decided that would be the operable

577
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: place to do her in. He's really sure, he is.

578
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm out of theories, you know, this one. It's there's

579
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: just it's odd. The only thing that I can think

580
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: of of the stories we've been given that I like

581
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: is the amateur angle. It's the only one. Of course,

582
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: of course you do, of course I do. Of course

583
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: that makes sense to me. I don't know, yeah, I mean,

584
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, I've talked about I like the Marjorie one,

585
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: and I and I recognize that I pretty much only

586
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: like that for like the really poet poetic symmetry that

587
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: it gives, you know, that this girl disappears and then

588
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: is also you know, dies in mysterious circumstances, their nice bookends.

589
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: Is it really that feasible? Probably not no, But you know,

590
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: this is one of those stories that you kind of

591
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: get to pick whatever theory you like, because chances are

592
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: good it's never going to be solved. And you know,

593
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: for me to believe in my heart, probably neither of

594
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: these mysteries are going to be solved. So it's very

595
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: easy for me to be able to say, oh no,

596
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: that's totally what happened there, and nobody's really ever going

597
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: to be able to tell me otherwise. So there you go.

598
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: So cool. Yeah, so that's how I feel about it. So,

599
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: anyway to solve the mystery, Yes, her name really is

600
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: Jane Doe. Yeah, yeah, that was you know, that's the

601
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: My favorite joke that I came across was that people

602
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: were like, Wow, maybe her name was actually Jane Doe.

603
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody's got to be named Jane Doe, right, real,

604
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: Jane doll Is you know, actually let me get my

605
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: phone book? Ye. So yeah, I guess that's kind of

606
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: it is one of those ones. I guess I've been

607
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: kind of on a streak of like kind of unsolvable mysteries. Yeah,

608
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: that's like like Wheelhouse right now. Yeah, Okay, you need

609
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: to come up with the ones that we can actually solve. Okay,

610
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: next week maybe, But I I do think we've pretty

611
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: definitively established that this was indeed a murder, all right, No,

612
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't think so. So if you'd like to see

613
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: the pictures that we were talking about and debating, they're

614
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: going to of course be on the website that's Thinking

615
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: Sideways podcast dot com. You can also listen to our

616
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: show there, or you can listen to our show on iTunes,

617
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: which you are probably doing. If you are doing that,

618
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: if you would take the time to give us a

619
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,200
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620
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: I don't read or comment any of the podcast I

621
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: listened to, so it's a big ask. But just do

622
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,279
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623
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624
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,479
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625
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: I know all of you are constantly going through you know,

626
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: withdraw UM like us on Facebook, and you can always

627
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,120
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628
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,759
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629
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Speaker 1: story ideas, Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com, and

630
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: I think we actually have a couple things to share. Yeah,

631
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: off of our weapon, people send us, People actually send

632
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: us all kinds of mail. Occasionally we pick a few

633
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: good ones off the top of the heat. There are

634
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: a couple of really good ones this week. Actually, Yeah, no,

635
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: do you want to go first? Yeah? Yeah, no, I

636
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: I totally got this one. So we got an email

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Speaker 1: from a guy named Denzel who lives down in act

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Speaker 1: in California, Washington. I wish it was, but it's not.

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Speaker 1: But he says, what's up, TSP. I love that we've

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Speaker 1: already got an abbreviation. Yeah, mine has also got a

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Speaker 1: great salutation. Yes, uh, he says. Uh. He said he's

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Speaker 1: a freelance illustrator, and so he spends his job every

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Speaker 1: day is you know, sitting down and doing illustrations, and

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Speaker 1: so he's listening to headphones. You know, we are the

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Speaker 1: perfect outlet for that, So concentrate on something else. I

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Speaker 1: was gonna say, good mindless listening. Yeah, backheaded compliment, but

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Speaker 1: he did. He did share with us a little something funny.

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Speaker 1: And I know I shared you with this with you, Joe,

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Speaker 1: and I know you enjoyed this. Is he was saying

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Speaker 1: that he was listening to the yat Love Pass incident episode.

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Speaker 1: Let me go ahead and get this right. I still

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Speaker 1: remember my favorite joke. Uh. Joe said, it was Chupacapper

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Speaker 1: who opened the tent, lit a cigarette stood there. The hikers,

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Speaker 1: struck with fear of secondhand smoke, ripped their way out

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Speaker 1: of the tent. Yeah that was a good joke. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was a good joke. He evidently laughed so hard

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Speaker 1: he almost messed up his work. So wait, way to go,

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Speaker 1: you know, causing the guy or whatever. He glad you appreciate.

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Speaker 1: He enjoyed it, and he had some some interesting theories

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Speaker 1: about what else could have caused it. And we went

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Speaker 1: back and forth on a couple of emails, and he's

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Speaker 1: given us a couple of story ideas which I really like,

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Speaker 1: which you're not things that we'd normally do, but we're

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Speaker 1: definitely gonna have to look into some of these. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the good Yeah, they seem like they're going to

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Speaker 1: be big endeavors. Yeah, they're They're not gonna be easy,

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Speaker 1: but I think I think they're gonna be fun. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna require like jetting to Europe. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: kind of like the DaVinci Code. Yes, we're on the

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Speaker 1: DaVinci Did you like watch that movie recently year? No?

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Speaker 1: Actually I never watched the movie. I read the book.

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Speaker 1: Oh excuse me, How ignorant of me to imply that

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Speaker 1: were watching him. Um So my listener mail that I

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Speaker 1: like is from a woman named Nancy, and she says, hello,

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Speaker 1: team you guys were a team. So she really likes

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Speaker 1: our podcast too, because everybody really podcast. But she had

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Speaker 1: some things to say about Goldbecky Tempe, which, like who doesn't, right,

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Speaker 1: Her theories are pretty awesome, let's be honest here, and

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Speaker 1: actually Steve of course thinks they're extra awesome. They're a

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Speaker 1: lot like his theory. Um. Nancy thinks that maybe there

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Speaker 1: was some kind of cast system that happened in this

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Speaker 1: society that built Goldbecky Tempe, and that they did some

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Speaker 1: selective reading which made them super intelligent, even perhaps she said,

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Speaker 1: purging unwanted babies. You there's presidents for that, as she mentions,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of tribes that there's proof of

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Speaker 1: that happening in other times anyways, so you know, and

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Speaker 1: then there of course would have been an uprising or something,

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Speaker 1: and she's got a lot of really cool theories about that.

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Speaker 1: So I just wanted to give a little shout out

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Speaker 1: to a Nancy for these great theories because stuff I

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Speaker 1: hadn't really thought of. I'm sure Steve thought of it.

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Speaker 1: Of course Steve thinks about weird stuff like this, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't really think of it. So thanks for pointing

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Speaker 1: that out to us. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, we will consider that.

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Speaker 1: Next time, we might do a rerunder of Colbecky Tompion.

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Speaker 1: There's enough information we could do. Yeah, at least, I guess.

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Speaker 1: Send us an email if you want us to know

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Speaker 1: all of your awesome theories, because there are better theories

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Speaker 1: than we have out there. Yeah, we're talking about anyways,

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Speaker 1: Marjorie West. Yeah, not by murder by everybody,