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Speaker 5: And we've got another padded practice today to watch.
Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to it just because the fact that
Speaker 6: we can finally see guys hitting and tackling to the
Speaker 6: ground like they're doing. They're hitting their thudding. Sometimes there's
Speaker 6: been a but like when they actually do tackle the
Speaker 6: ground I feel like I need to post that video
Speaker 6: because it's just so rare when you see that, and
Speaker 6: also it's the coaches don't want that, but yeah, they
Speaker 6: actually get to see that in the trenches, particularly in
Speaker 6: the preseason. I'm looking forward to that more than anything else.
Speaker 7: At Chris be in the Back. Can we get this
Speaker 7: episode named Thudding? That's a no.
Speaker 8: But I'm really excited to see these guys in action
Speaker 8: on Saturday. We've been talking about it. It feels like
Speaker 8: a nauseum since well since I got here, since the
Speaker 8: draft for sure, So I'm definitely excited to get going.
Speaker 5: Yeah, lots of youth with this team trying to merge
Speaker 5: with the veterans.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of veterans that are probably
Speaker 2: not going to see the field on Saturday. Maybe a
Speaker 2: couple that will just based off of injuries and things.
Speaker 5: Of the sort that are trying to work back from.
Speaker 2: But for the most part, it's going to be a
Speaker 2: chance for that youth side of the football team to shine,
Speaker 2: which I think Cowboys fans are excited about and ready
Speaker 2: to see. But I mean, let's get into talking points.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of that, at least over the
Speaker 2: last couple of days has been the defense. That talking
Speaker 2: point for me at least is how dominant the defense
Speaker 2: has been. They continue to get after it, they continue
Speaker 2: to push this offense. I thought Monday the offense had
Speaker 2: a great practice. They got the ground game going a
Speaker 2: little bit, they were able to kind of fill some holes,
Speaker 2: and then Tuesday was a complete turnaround. I thought Tuesday
Speaker 2: was really a rough practice offensively. But what are you
Speaker 2: guys looking at? What are you guys seeing out there
Speaker 2: on the field.
Speaker 6: I still have my questions about the offensive line. That
Speaker 6: would be the biggest thing. You know, if I take
Speaker 6: out a depth chat right now and I look at it,
Speaker 6: I don't have many questions about the defense. I look
Speaker 6: at the offense and yeah, you know, Dak, you mentioned
Speaker 6: that in that practice through a few interceptions a couple
Speaker 6: of Trayvon Diggs and won the Layton vandersh But even
Speaker 6: with that, like, it doesn't really concern me that I
Speaker 6: feel will all work itself out. They're working in a
Speaker 6: new offense, but it's about how well can that offensive
Speaker 6: line block? And we see it to a certain extent
Speaker 6: out here, but now we'll see on Saturday. Especially because
Speaker 6: you talk about starters not playing, Like you don't expect
Speaker 6: to see Tyron Smith out there. I don't expect to
Speaker 6: see Terren Steele out there. I don't expect to see
Speaker 6: Tyler Biadash out there. So that's a lot of playing
Speaker 6: time for reserve offensive linemen that they really need a
Speaker 6: couple of these guys step up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm curious to see how this depth kind of
Speaker 8: steps up, especially with the reps that they're gonna be
Speaker 8: getting on Saturday. You had mentioned that the offensive line,
Speaker 8: especially the interior right guard Josh Bosman.
Speaker 7: Getting a lot of work.
Speaker 8: So seeing him get some game reps maybe will increase
Speaker 8: some confidence not only in him, but you know people
Speaker 8: that are hoping that he can step up to that occasion,
Speaker 8: especially if Zach Martin's not able to come back, but
Speaker 8: also brock Hoffman, you know, I feel like he's had
Speaker 8: a strong last week. I'm curious to see what he
Speaker 8: does when he puts it onto the field on Saturday.
Speaker 8: There's gonna be a lot of guys, you know, just
Speaker 8: kind of looking at Lindstrom as well. I mean, there's
Speaker 8: a lot of interior guys that you know, there's a
Speaker 8: huge opportunity still open for any of these guys to take,
Speaker 8: so we'll see who takes advantage of it.
Speaker 5: Is that your talking point as well, or do you
Speaker 5: have anything else?
Speaker 7: I would say my talking point.
Speaker 8: What I'm looking forward to going into Saturday is the
Speaker 8: Jacksonville receivers versus the Cowboys defensive backs. I think, top
Speaker 8: to bottom, from the top of the depth charts to
Speaker 8: the bottom on both sides, it's gonna be a really
Speaker 8: fascinating battle. We could talk about the top and it
Speaker 8: kind of depends on who plays for the Cowboys. But
Speaker 8: for the Jacksonville Jaguars, you got Christian Kirk, You got
Speaker 8: Calvin Ridley, who will most likely be playing considering that
Speaker 8: he just came off a year long suspension, probably needs
Speaker 8: a good ramp up. And you got Zay Jones as
Speaker 8: their wide receiver three, who had a great year last
Speaker 8: year and you know, is trying to prove once again
Speaker 8: that he can be a viable Z option out there
Speaker 8: for him. So you know who covers those guys, nay
Speaker 8: Sean Wright probably gets the assignment of Jay Jones, and
Speaker 8: you know, we'll kind of see who they play and
Speaker 8: bounce around. But even at the depth of that group,
Speaker 8: you got Parker Washington that if they just drafted in
Speaker 8: the sixth round out of Penn State. That was a
Speaker 8: guy that was getting first round grades going into the
Speaker 8: season last year. Really athletic guy, really speedy, has an
Speaker 8: incredible route tree. I want to see him against Eric
Speaker 8: Scott just because with Parker Washington's versatility and how he
Speaker 8: can kind of fluidly move around, I want to see
Speaker 8: that against Eric Scott because he's just as fluid and
Speaker 8: it's pretty much versatile as well. So I would like
Speaker 8: to see those two guys pitted against each other. And
Speaker 8: you also got Darrajingcas that's another young receiver than they have.
Speaker 8: It's gonna be fun top to bottom from quarter one
Speaker 8: to quarter four.
Speaker 2: And reports at least early on are saying that they
Speaker 2: expect Trevor Lawrence to play just a little bit, and
Speaker 2: they expect some of those receivers to see some time.
Speaker 2: I bet you Calvin Ridley gets multiple series. Probably those
Speaker 2: other guys probably don't.
Speaker 5: Zay Jones and then.
Speaker 2: Christian Kirk, Yeah, I think both of those guys are
Speaker 2: probably going to take a step back at least at
Speaker 2: the moment, and then that'll be Calvin Ridley for maybe
Speaker 2: two or three series and then he'll get out of there.
Speaker 2: That's a good challenge. I mean, we've talked about iron
Speaker 2: sharpens iron on the field. They finally get that up
Speaker 2: opportunity to face somebody that doesn't have a star on
Speaker 2: the side of their helmet and you instead get to
Speaker 2: go up against the other team. I think that's gonna
Speaker 2: be valuable for guys like right and Eric Scott Junior.
Speaker 2: I doubt Deron Blant sees a ton of playing time.
Speaker 2: Maybe he gets a series, but for the most part,
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a good challenge. It's something I think
Speaker 2: the secondary real issues. It seems like Al Harris wants
Speaker 2: that type of challenge.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't need to see Deron Bland. I feel
Speaker 6: like their top three corners are very similar to their
Speaker 6: top three receivers on this team. I don't think you
Speaker 6: need to be putting them out there. Eric Scott is
Speaker 6: a key for sure, because you've just been seeing good things.
Speaker 6: You've been hearing good things about him. The other day,
Speaker 6: the Pivot podcast was out here talking to Micah Parsons
Speaker 6: and some of those guys caught up with Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 6: and they asked him, you know, like, who's kind of
Speaker 6: caught your eye and whatever, and he mentioned, you know,
Speaker 6: Eric Scott is a guy, and you obviously hear from
Speaker 6: the coaches as well. So that one that really interests
Speaker 6: me is like, what can he do in that situation,
Speaker 6: because if you are going against some of those top receivers,
Speaker 6: let's be honest, he's not gonna shut those guys down,
Speaker 6: you know. And so that's my big thing about corner.
Speaker 6: It's funny because you too, when you're in the locker room.
Speaker 6: It's like there's corners are wired a certain way because
Speaker 6: you're never just going to completely shut people down. I
Speaker 6: would say some of the most prickly personalities I've been
Speaker 6: around have been defensive backs and it's easy particular corners.
Speaker 6: And so that's the thing. It's like, so Eric Scott
Speaker 6: gets beat on a player or whatever, Now you've got
Speaker 6: to come right back and kind of put that behind you.
Speaker 6: And that's so easier said than done. Most human beings
Speaker 6: are not wired that way.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's just the nature of the job, right.
Speaker 8: You have to be able to kind of shrug it off,
Speaker 8: but also take the heat whenever it comes. But no,
Speaker 8: I'm really excited to see Eric Scott. You know, we've
Speaker 8: been since he was drafted. I feel like we've been
Speaker 8: hearing about the potential he can bring from a coverage standpoint,
Speaker 8: whether that be in man or zone, and I feel
Speaker 8: like he's shown both of those things out here, but
Speaker 8: it's just translating it to the practice field. And one
Speaker 8: thing specifically I would like to see from him is
Speaker 8: working the run game, just because that was the one
Speaker 8: knock I had on him from his college days is
Speaker 8: you know, he was not really that efficient in the
Speaker 8: run game.
Speaker 7: He gots torn up a couple of times.
Speaker 8: So I'd like to see him in those situations and
Speaker 8: see how we can move forward from that.
Speaker 2: We're talking a lot about the secondary, But which one
Speaker 2: are you more excited on Saturday?
Speaker 5: The pass rush or the secondary, Because I mean, I
Speaker 5: think it's for two completely different reasons.
Speaker 2: For sure, for past rush, it's can they continue to
Speaker 2: do what they've been doing out here? Whereas the secondary
Speaker 2: it's more so can they continue to build and can
Speaker 2: the youth shine a little bit?
Speaker 7: Well, let's start with this.
Speaker 8: If there's a four man front, who's who's playing the
Speaker 8: majority of the game. That's question, question for question for
Speaker 8: both of you, Because I I think I think there's
Speaker 8: I think there's a case to be made for a
Speaker 8: lot of guys that could be playing quite a bit
Speaker 8: of series.
Speaker 6: That's that's I'll give you just a name. I want
Speaker 6: to like, do you want to see a lot from
Speaker 6: Sam Williams?
Speaker 7: I just yeah, I do. Absolutely I do too.
Speaker 6: And and then one of the reasons why is because
Speaker 6: I don't feel like I've noticed him as much out
Speaker 6: here is maybe I thought I would. Like Obviously Lawrence
Speaker 6: and Michael Parsons you notice them a lot. And with
Speaker 6: Sam Williams, there's a part of me that it kind
Speaker 6: of goes back to that preseason game last year with
Speaker 6: with Cavante Turpin where he has the two big returns,
Speaker 6: you know, and it just like one of those things like, yeah,
Speaker 6: go ahead and take your your pads off.
Speaker 5: We're good.
Speaker 6: Weve seen like to see Sam Williams come out early
Speaker 6: in this game kind of wreck shop and then being like,
Speaker 6: all right, Sam, we're good. We've seen enough there, you know,
Speaker 6: especially going against you know, a first team offense like that,
Speaker 6: and and really like when you rattle off all those
Speaker 6: receivers and you think about what Trevor Lawrence is becoming
Speaker 6: that like this isn't just like, well, they're gonna go
Speaker 6: against ones, They're going against ones of like one of
Speaker 6: the better teams in the NFL.
Speaker 7: Absolutely one, Anton Harrison.
Speaker 8: I think that's gonna be a fascinating tackle matchup for
Speaker 8: whoever is line up at edge, whether that's Sam Williams
Speaker 8: or you know, if Daurrence Armstrong gets some play. So again,
Speaker 8: I'm curious to see who rolls out there for the
Speaker 8: defensive line, because you could make a case that a
Speaker 8: lot of those guys you can go ahead and put
Speaker 8: that bubble wrap on them and let them, let them
Speaker 8: chill until Week one.
Speaker 5: The four guys that I have on my depth chart
Speaker 5: as the number two's and this is my depth chart.
Speaker 2: This is just based off of what I've seen out here.
Speaker 2: It's Durrance Neville, Gallamore, Chauncey Gulston, Sam Williams.
Speaker 7: So that's the official Dallas Cowboys step chart, right is it? Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're just making a joke. I was about
Speaker 2: to say, is if it might line up? It might,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but Durrance bubble wrap. I don't think
Speaker 2: you're gonna want to see Dorance a whole lot.
Speaker 5: Neville.
Speaker 7: I can see Neville.
Speaker 2: Getting a significant amount of it playing time, Chauncey will
Speaker 2: get a significant amount of playing time.
Speaker 5: Sam might be a couple a couple of drives out.
Speaker 6: And the other guy that would be in that mix.
Speaker 6: I feel like when the season gets going, it would
Speaker 6: be Mazzie Smith. But then you're sitting there shore and
Speaker 6: like him coming off his injury injury, you know, how
Speaker 6: much are they going to play him at all? Do
Speaker 6: they want to just have.
Speaker 2: Him as as a kind of a penciled in starter,
Speaker 2: because I just think he will take over that opportunity.
Speaker 2: Dante Valler Junior is off the edge.
Speaker 7: Do you need to see him a whole lot?
Speaker 6: I don't need to see anything.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking the same thing. This is going to be
Speaker 2: a huge opportunity for the rookie. Villyami Fojoko, I think jujuhco.
Speaker 5: He's He's been relatively quiet.
Speaker 2: I get a lot of questions on Twitter and a
Speaker 2: lot of people saying, what is Villyami doing?
Speaker 5: What is Junior doing? I think he's been fine, but
Speaker 5: he also hasn't flashed.
Speaker 2: He hasn't done the same things that that Williams or
Speaker 2: Parsons or Dante Faller had been doing that's where he
Speaker 2: gets a chance to shine it. And and I was
Speaker 2: talking to Dan Quinn yesterday and Dan said, I'm really
Speaker 2: excited to see Fojoko show a little versatility, show a
Speaker 2: little bit of that positionless defense, because if you can
Speaker 2: come off the edge and rush a passer, great, But
Speaker 2: if you can go on inside and fill a hole
Speaker 2: and stop the run, then that's another great opportunity for
Speaker 2: him to whether he's the three technique, five technique edge rusher,
Speaker 2: wherever they put him on the line, it's at least
Speaker 2: a chance for him to show some of that stuff
Speaker 2: you expect him to see, not only just a good
Speaker 2: amount of playing time, but also to possibly show that
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that he hasn't shown out here yet.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 6: And then the other part of it is when they
Speaker 6: drafted him, I was kind of like, you know, I
Speaker 6: didn't know a ton about him. And then so the
Speaker 6: more you read up on him, and the more you know,
Speaker 6: you get in the conference call, you talk to some
Speaker 6: coaches and stuff, and it's you know, you just see
Speaker 6: kind of them using him as a similar role as Golson,
Speaker 6: and I'm just like, I'm interested to see how that
Speaker 6: works out because It's one of those deals where almost
Speaker 6: like with Tyrone Crawford for a while, like it was
Speaker 6: like he never just had that one position and was
Speaker 6: like always moving him around. So I kind of would
Speaker 6: like to see those guys kind of settle into a role,
Speaker 6: you know, whatever that be, instead of just being like, yeah,
Speaker 6: this week you're gonna line up here, and this week
Speaker 6: you know you're gonna line up on this spot and
Speaker 6: you're gonna go against this guy, and this week you
Speaker 6: might not play as much. And I know it's easier
Speaker 6: said than done when you have a loaded defensive line,
Speaker 6: but I just it's hard for him to stand out
Speaker 6: with who he's got in front of him, and I
Speaker 6: don't know exactly what his position is. I know that
Speaker 6: Dan Quinn likes him a lot, but that doesn't mean
Speaker 6: necessarily that, oh well I didn't see him flashing the
Speaker 6: preseason or out at training camp. Well, this guy's never
Speaker 6: gonna you know, make a big impact. That doesn't mean anything,
Speaker 6: you know. That's why he's not like he's a first
Speaker 6: or second round pick. Yeah, But just like I said
Speaker 6: with the Turpin thing, you'd love to see any of
Speaker 6: these guys just kind of, you know, kind of catch
Speaker 6: your eye and turn ahead and be like, oh wow,
Speaker 6: you know I didn't notice that him having that kind
Speaker 6: of an impact during the preseason. The other thing is
Speaker 6: or during the training camp. The other thing I would
Speaker 6: point out is in all sports, there are some players
Speaker 6: that are great in practice, or they're great in this environment,
Speaker 6: they're not as great there. And then there's other players
Speaker 6: that they're absolutely at their best when the lights come on,
Speaker 6: and you don't really know that until the lights come on.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, I think for Junior, Forjoko, and for Austin Richards,
Speaker 8: this is a really important opportunity for both of these guys,
Speaker 8: just because you know, I feel like there's a level
Speaker 8: of unproven with both of those guys, just based on
Speaker 8: what's been put out out here. Uh and when you
Speaker 8: look at the draft picks, I feel like those are
Speaker 8: easily the two got have been talked about the least.
Speaker 5: I'm excited to see both of those guys.
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: I mean, the rookies always have a little extra, little
Speaker 5: extra intrigue.
Speaker 2: I think Jayalen Brooks falls under that category. Steve John
Speaker 2: Stevens falls under that category. Having those rookies in this
Speaker 2: preseason game, it's their first chance to really show first time.
Speaker 2: They'll have a star on the side of their helmet
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Speaker 2: crew other than Tony Pollard, who would be the most
Speaker 2: surprising cut among running backs at camp, even if they
Speaker 2: end up on the practice squad, Because there's a lot
Speaker 2: of talk about in this running back room. I think
Speaker 2: that talk will continue into the preseason. It's a pretty
Speaker 2: good question because right now there's no clear cut, but
Speaker 2: there's also no clear standout at the same time.
Speaker 7: That's a really good question. I feel like you could
Speaker 7: go with any of those guys.
Speaker 8: You could, I guess I would say duce Vaughan, just
Speaker 8: because they've been integrating him into multiple packages, offensive packages
Speaker 8: where you know he's lined up as a slot. He's
Speaker 8: lined up in like a Trip's bunch at times with guys,
Speaker 8: so there seems to be a plan of versatility for him.
Speaker 8: So I'd be surprised if they not necessarily cut him
Speaker 8: but put him on the practice squad. Even even you
Speaker 8: could point in any of these guys and say, you know,
Speaker 8: that guy's gonna be number two or that guy's gonna
Speaker 8: get cut, I feel like it's still very unproven in
Speaker 8: that room right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I don't feel like any of them have
Speaker 6: really separated themselves from the from the rest of the group.
Speaker 6: Now again, preseason games, you're gonna have pads on. That's
Speaker 6: when you really can tell what you have in the
Speaker 6: running game. And through three preseason games, when you talk
Speaker 6: about Rico, Dawdle, Malik Davis, and Duce Vaughan, they're gonna
Speaker 6: get a lot of reps. And so because of that,
Speaker 6: I know that you know you want to project right now,
Speaker 6: but I don't think that there's gonna be any problem
Speaker 6: figuring this thing out. When the preseason's over with, you're
Speaker 6: gonna know who kind of jumped out. I don't. I
Speaker 6: don't think all of them will just kind of disappoint
Speaker 6: or all will be great. I think that there'll be
Speaker 6: a little bit of a separation after that happens. But
Speaker 6: as of what we've seen out here, I got to
Speaker 6: go with Rico Dauba would surprise me just because of
Speaker 6: the fact of the way Mike McCarthy's talked about him.
Speaker 6: You know, that first depth chart came out, came came
Speaker 6: out and it's unofficial, so let's not read too much
Speaker 6: into that, but you know, he was the two at
Speaker 6: that running back spot, so I think he would probably
Speaker 6: surprise me. But I also, yeah, I agree with you,
Speaker 6: I don't I can't see them moving on from Deuce Fawn.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Rico.
Speaker 2: I think that's a credit to Rico like that, that's
Speaker 2: a compliment to what he's done so far to say
Speaker 2: it's surprising Deuce. I think it would be surprising because
Speaker 2: they haven't traditionally cut draft picks, especially on the offensive
Speaker 2: side of the ball too. I think there's there was
Speaker 2: so much hype around that pick, and there's of course
Speaker 2: the connection with Chris in the in the vicinity.
Speaker 5: I think they also.
Speaker 2: Don't want to let him get away if if if
Speaker 2: something were to shine and things were to click, and
Speaker 2: it certainly could whenever the lights come on, because he
Speaker 2: showed that that was the case. He was a gamer
Speaker 2: at Kansas State as well, so maybe maybe he would
Speaker 2: be that that's prising cut. I think overall, there's a yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a there's a lot of question marks of running
Speaker 2: back and they've got four guys they have to sort through,
Speaker 2: and all four guys have a chance to be the
Speaker 2: number two, or all four guys have a chance to
Speaker 2: be the fifth running back on the roster, which I
Speaker 2: think is that's what makes this whole situation intriguing.
Speaker 8: Quick sidebar question, if none of these guys really pop out,
Speaker 8: do we like Leonard Fournette?
Speaker 7: I do? I do too, I do.
Speaker 6: He's a free agent, right he is this, Like I said,
Speaker 6: three preseason games will give you plenty of time to
Speaker 6: kind of iron things out, figure out what you have there.
Speaker 6: If nobody jumps out enough to where you feel really comfortable,
Speaker 6: Absolutely that interests me. And also because of the fact
Speaker 6: that I just that running back position. If you're a
Speaker 6: free agent running back, I don't think they're gonna have
Speaker 6: to make a really big significant investment for a Leonard Fournette.
Speaker 6: So yes, I would be extremely interested in that.
Speaker 5: I'm reluctant.
Speaker 2: But I also ask me again, in three weeks, I
Speaker 2: want to see what happens with this.
Speaker 7: Running back group.
Speaker 2: But if if nothing works out and then the Cowboys
Speaker 2: can't get the run game going, whether that be from
Speaker 2: the offensive line or not, uh, I want to I
Speaker 2: want to at least see the options. And if Leonard
Speaker 2: Fournett's out there and he's healthy and he's able, then yeah,
Speaker 2: let's at least kick the tires on it and bring
Speaker 2: him in.
Speaker 6: It's gonna being completely candid, though I would have been
Speaker 6: saying the same thing like three months ago. So yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm not very unbiased about this. Sure, the entire time
Speaker 6: he's been sitting out there, you've wanted him. Yeah, And
Speaker 6: I mean it's not just because of what he was
Speaker 6: in college and how high of a draft pick he was.
Speaker 6: It was the fact of you saw what he did
Speaker 6: with Tom Brady on a team that was built ready
Speaker 6: to make a run. This team is built, you know,
Speaker 6: they've they've head back to back twelve win seasons. The
Speaker 6: guy's been there and done that. Wouldn't need to see
Speaker 6: him out here step in week one and and I
Speaker 6: think would be an outstanding compliment to Tony Pollard. But hey,
Speaker 6: if one of these other guy steps up, by all means,
Speaker 6: why why just spend the money to spend it?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's not a I mean, I think it's a
Speaker 2: great point actually because you look at look at these
Speaker 2: other positions and the veterans and youth that's that's combined
Speaker 2: between those positions. I mean, Mazzie Smith, Jonathan Hankins at cornerback,
Speaker 2: it's Trayvon Diggs and Stefan Gilmour. I mean you have
Speaker 2: a veteran either a veteran playmaker and a youthful playmaker
Speaker 2: at almost every position along the depth chart. Running back,
Speaker 2: you just have youthful playmakers for the most part. I
Speaker 2: mean Tony Poller is the oldest running back on this roster,
Speaker 2: which is odd thing.
Speaker 6: It's also because that position is a young man's game.
Speaker 5: No doubt about it.
Speaker 2: But you bring in Leonard Fournette, and that adds a
Speaker 2: guy that has a veteran playmaking ability, has been there,
Speaker 2: like you said, been there, done that, won a Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: played with the best in the game, and it honestly
Speaker 2: compliments exactly what.
Speaker 7: You're doing at all the other positions.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think I can be talked into that. Also,
Speaker 2: I still want to see what happens.
Speaker 6: My other factor with that, though, is too is the
Speaker 6: fact that I don't I don't care about Tony Pollard
Speaker 6: making a run at the rushing title. I need Tony
Speaker 6: Pollard to be as healthy as possible in January. So
Speaker 6: another running back or too have to step up that
Speaker 6: you feel confident giving the ball to, because obviously playing
Speaker 6: running back you're not going to be completely fresh in January.
Speaker 6: But you saw what they were with and without him.
Speaker 6: That has to be a goal to try and get,
Speaker 6: you know, win as many games as possible, But you
Speaker 6: want to get to January with Tony Pollard as healthy
Speaker 6: as possible because he's one of the best weapons you have.
Speaker 2: He only has one game in his entire career where
Speaker 2: he has over twenty carries one game.
Speaker 5: Everything else has been under twenty carries.
Speaker 2: So if you expect him to come in and have
Speaker 2: twenty five thirty carries and carry that same load as
Speaker 2: Zeke did whenever he was the number one back or
Speaker 2: when he was the bell cow back, that's not a
Speaker 2: successful formula.
Speaker 5: I mean, you want to.
Speaker 2: Allow for Tony Pollard to continue to grow as the
Speaker 2: season goes along, but you don't want to overload his plate.
Speaker 5: And so that's where I'm worried.
Speaker 2: That's the same way too, because if one of these
Speaker 2: guys doesn't step up behind Tony Pollard, I don't want
Speaker 2: to overload his plate because that takes away what his
Speaker 2: game is. It takes away the home run threat that
Speaker 2: he is and it's there. Instead, it wears him down
Speaker 2: over the course of a season. Not in my interest
Speaker 2: at all. But Leonard Fournette could be in my interest.
Speaker 7: I like that idea, all.
Speaker 5: Right, Hay talking cowboys love the show.
Speaker 2: From the eight one seven, Billy from Grandview wants to
Speaker 2: know about the tight end John Stevens, So we'll tell
Speaker 2: you about John Stevens. Are they gonna hide him and
Speaker 2: some of the other young talent on this roster or
Speaker 2: are they gonna play him and let him shine?
Speaker 6: I think you have to play him because when I
Speaker 6: think of the tight end position, Jake Ferguson's young, Peyton
Speaker 6: Hendershat's young, lu schoon Maker's young. So I can see
Speaker 6: wanting to see stuff from them, but you really need
Speaker 6: to see a ton from them, and so I don't
Speaker 6: need those guys playing all games. So I mean, it's
Speaker 6: just out of how many bodies you have on the roster.
Speaker 6: I don't think that you're gonna be able to hide
Speaker 6: John Stevens. I think he's gonna have to play.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think so either.
Speaker 8: Also, Billy from Grandview shot out to the grand View
Speaker 8: zebras one of the best high scheed mascots.
Speaker 7: In the state.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I don't think you can hide either him
Speaker 8: or Princeton fan Stretch and Bull as they've been called.
Speaker 8: But I it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be really tough,
Speaker 8: especially because you want to see what he's been doing
Speaker 8: out here downfield. You would like to see that translated
Speaker 8: into a game environment. But I understand the centnimon and
Speaker 8: wanting to maybe hide him, but I think that's gonna
Speaker 8: be tough to do.
Speaker 6: Wow, that's a great inflatable. They have too.
Speaker 7: The Zebra. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Oh, and they have their their helmets are like the
Speaker 6: Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 5: Know the Cincinnati Bengals helmets are like grandw Zebra's helmets.
Speaker 6: I apologize.
Speaker 5: No, they've got a great football program out there.
Speaker 2: The uh kind of adding on to what you said,
Speaker 2: I think Billy's trying to hide him, to put them
Speaker 2: into the stash him to the practice squad and allow
Speaker 2: him to come up.
Speaker 5: But I mean, you got to give.
Speaker 2: These young guys, especially if they've shown promise on the field,
Speaker 2: you got to give them a chance to play.
Speaker 7: Let them play a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think it'd be a lot of fun to see
Speaker 2: John Stevens continue to grow. And it's not like tight
Speaker 2: end number four is a solidified position. You've got the
Speaker 2: three guys that you know are probably going to be
Speaker 2: on the roster. Ferguson, uh, Hindershot and scoon Maker.
Speaker 6: I think the quans On too, to be honest with you,
Speaker 6: you think.
Speaker 7: So, I do.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's a lock, dude, would you be.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I don't think it's a lock, but I'd
Speaker 6: be surprised if somebody jumped him for that four spot.
Speaker 6: It's possible. But yeah, there's just there's when you lose
Speaker 6: Adulton Schultz, who is you just know what you're getting.
Speaker 6: He's solid across the ball, and then now you move
Speaker 6: to this youth movement. There's just something about having a
Speaker 6: guy who he has veteran experience in mckewn that I
Speaker 6: think would be nice to keep in the room.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and he's had a great camp.
Speaker 8: I think he's shown a lot this month that you know,
Speaker 8: people wanted to see out of him, and even coach
Speaker 8: lindw Wells tight end coach lind Wells, he talked about it.
Speaker 8: I think it was last week when we had availability
Speaker 8: with him and he said, Shawn's really come in with
Speaker 8: a different approach here and he's doing really well.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna disagree. I'm gonna think John Stevens
Speaker 2: is that tight end for right now. I just think
Speaker 2: he's shown too much to not put him in that spot.
Speaker 2: And there's been times when, especially on film, when Sean
Speaker 2: McEwan isn't in the right spot, or he's not able
Speaker 2: to hold a block, and.
Speaker 5: There's things like that.
Speaker 2: I I don't dislike Sean McEwan from a veteran step
Speaker 2: from a little bit.
Speaker 6: And if I room isn't one of.
Speaker 2: These, he's probably right here. He's in building signs Sean,
Speaker 2: but you.
Speaker 6: Might be able to sneak him totally, where if John
Speaker 6: Stevens keeps showing out, then maybe you feel like you
Speaker 6: can't let them go.
Speaker 5: That's ultimately the conversation.
Speaker 2: I think there's a tough conversation is going to happen
Speaker 2: in the tight end room. But we've talked about this
Speaker 2: position before in TJ from Baltimore.
Speaker 5: He wants to know.
Speaker 2: Which position is more likely to go along whenever the
Speaker 2: fifty three man cut comes here in a couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: wide receiver or corner. So we're talking about tough decisions
Speaker 2: at tight end, but you also have some at wide receiver.
Speaker 2: You also have some at cornerback, which one do you
Speaker 2: think out of those two wide receiver a corner that
Speaker 2: would be the most likely to get an extra player
Speaker 2: or two.
Speaker 8: I don't think either of them will eventually go long.
Speaker 8: I was earlier in camp I was thinking maybe receiver.
Speaker 8: But if either of them are two, I think it's
Speaker 8: going to be receiver, just because I think at the
Speaker 8: top of the cornerback depth and even you know, once
Speaker 8: you come into four or five, six, there are some
Speaker 8: really solidified guys there. I think it's a little bit
Speaker 8: more solidified than if you looked at the other side
Speaker 8: on the receiver aspect of things. So maybe they would
Speaker 8: want to carry an extra receiver as a result instead,
Speaker 8: But I don't think either of them go along for receiver.
Speaker 7: Seven. Seven, Yeah, for corner, probably.
Speaker 2: Eight eight corners sounds like it would be a lot.
Speaker 7: And it does.
Speaker 2: Probably guys I'd probably say, I'd probably say seven six
Speaker 2: is normal.
Speaker 5: Seven would probably go long for both.
Speaker 6: Are you counting Jordan Lewis as one of those six
Speaker 6: or seven though?
Speaker 7: Yeah, probably probably Okay, So I don't.
Speaker 6: Think they're keeping more than six receivers. I think getting
Speaker 6: we see if they cut down the roster a day.
Speaker 6: I just think it's pretty cut right now that it's
Speaker 6: that those top three, and then for me it would
Speaker 6: be Jalen Tolbert Turpin and Jalen Brooks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that would be my ex So.
Speaker 6: If you were going to go seven, it would be
Speaker 6: seven for you.
Speaker 7: Seven would be Yeah.
Speaker 8: I don't feel like anybody's really popped out since that
Speaker 8: first week because Jalen Moreno, Cropper came out of the
Speaker 8: gates swinging. But since the pads have come on, it's
Speaker 8: kind of been tempered a little bit. Simmi Fajoco, I mean,
Speaker 8: this is this is the camp for him to prove it. Yeah,
Speaker 8: he's had some bad drops out here, He's had some
Speaker 8: great catches as well. He had he had one on
Speaker 8: Saturday I believe was from Cooper Rush that was downfield
Speaker 8: created separation on Nasehn Wright and it was fantastic. So
Speaker 8: I would like to see Simmy Fojoco in that seventh
Speaker 8: spot if there were to be one, But I'm not
Speaker 8: confident in that.
Speaker 2: I think even guys like Cropper and Barbin and even
Speaker 2: at times Tyron Johnson, I really like what we've seen
Speaker 2: from Tyron Johnson. You talk about trying to stash a
Speaker 2: guy that might be the guy to stash. They they've
Speaker 2: all had camps that are at least comparable to Simmi Fojoco.
Speaker 2: And if that's the case, I mean that's that's not
Speaker 2: a great indication on what Simmy.
Speaker 5: Simmy's roster impact is gonna look like.
Speaker 6: But who takes over the Noah Brown role without Simmy?
Speaker 6: You think it's Brooks, I think it's.
Speaker 7: Got I think it's Brooks.
Speaker 8: I think on special teams as well, I think top
Speaker 8: to bottom, I think Jalen Brooks can take over his
Speaker 8: complete role.
Speaker 2: From everything that we've seen from brook Brooks, he is
Speaker 2: willing and able to go and play specialty. If John
Speaker 2: Fossil even talked about him a little bit in a
Speaker 2: side conversation and he likes what Brooks has brought, I
Speaker 2: still think John he wants to see more from from Jalen,
Speaker 2: which I mean that's fair being the special teams coordinator.
Speaker 2: But at the moment, Jalen is showing more from an
Speaker 2: offensive standpoint than I think everybody anticipated. So there's there's
Speaker 2: parts of his game that can continue to grow, which
Speaker 2: is what makes me excited about Jalen Brooks, and that's
Speaker 2: why I think he would get that that sixth spot.
Speaker 2: Uh what about Okay, So let's play the numbers game
Speaker 2: on cornerback real quick, Diggs, Gilmore, Nay, Sean Wright, Bland,
Speaker 2: Jordan Lewis five, Eric Scott.
Speaker 5: Eric Scott six, and now you're getting into.
Speaker 6: Some for me, that's my group.
Speaker 5: Do you count C. J. Goodwin, you count him as
Speaker 5: a special teams team?
Speaker 7: I think I would.
Speaker 6: I think it comes down. I don't know how how
Speaker 6: they keep CJ. Gowin and Kelvin Joseph. It's gonna have
Speaker 6: I think it would have to be one or the
Speaker 6: other there for a special Teams purmases. Just because those
Speaker 6: first six corners that you mentioned, I don't see how
Speaker 6: he not keeping them. I don't see how you would
Speaker 6: want to make any of them available to other teams.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's that's tough for Kelvin, especially with a rookie
Speaker 8: coming in and balling the way he has, and you
Speaker 8: know Jordan Lewis still you know he'll eventually be back,
Speaker 8: but that's gotta be tough for Kevin Joseph too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to see the riding on the
Speaker 2: wall because of course, I mean he's a second round pick.
Speaker 2: That's that would be a big bust for for the
Speaker 2: Cowboys overall, and man, I I just I don't I
Speaker 2: don't see a whole lot happening from the cornerback spot
Speaker 2: outside those first six names. I mean, if you're even
Speaker 2: adding seven, I think that's stretching it because then you're
Speaker 2: you're you're cutting short of positions like defensive line, linebackers, safety.
Speaker 5: You need some of that overall. I think last year
Speaker 5: they kept ten dbs.
Speaker 2: I think it was six corners and for safeties if
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, and I mean for safeties, is
Speaker 2: even going to be a tough conversation Donovan Wilson is
Speaker 2: or I'll go Donovan Wilson, Malie Cooker, Jay Ron Curse
Speaker 2: and then Bell or Tom. I mean there's a couple
Speaker 2: guys there that you could also have that conversation for
Speaker 2: you as well.
Speaker 5: All Right, one more this is from.
Speaker 6: Real quick on that. Yeah, with mkwamou he can do
Speaker 6: so much and the silver stalta where he can help
Speaker 6: at corner. I think that also factors in why you
Speaker 6: probably wouldn't keep more than six.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, that makes sense too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he could be kind of that flex guy, gives
Speaker 2: you that versatility.
Speaker 5: For Dan quinn uh.
Speaker 2: And we might have already answered this question just just
Speaker 2: in that last one. But a fan from Long Beach,
Speaker 2: California says, who needs the preseason reps more to prove
Speaker 2: their growth, Jalen Tolbert or aforementioned Kelvin Joseph in order
Speaker 2: to shoe the coaches, or show the coaches. He said, shoe,
Speaker 2: but to show the coaches that they are ready to
Speaker 2: take a jump into the regular I.
Speaker 6: Mean, Calvin Joseph needs go. Jalen Tolbert's already in a
Speaker 6: spot where, like I said, he to me is the
Speaker 6: clear four. Whereas, like we just talked about how talented
Speaker 6: that Jaguars team is. If you sat there and Kelvin
Speaker 6: Joseph just had a great day against some of those receivers,
Speaker 6: against Trevor Lawrence gets a pick something like that, that
Speaker 6: completely changes because that's a lot like like I never
Speaker 6: played football at a high level or anything like that.
Speaker 6: I played basketball my whole entire life. And so for basketball,
Speaker 6: you can go play pick up and you've got a
Speaker 6: pretty good read on how players are and something like that.
Speaker 6: With football, like you could be like a really good
Speaker 6: flag football player. But then when like the pads come on,
Speaker 6: it's a totally different game. And so because of that,
Speaker 6: like as we see here today, a lot of the
Speaker 6: stuff I'm saying is going off of where these players
Speaker 6: are right now. But you go and have a monster
Speaker 6: game in the preseason, that's going to hold a lot
Speaker 6: more weight than stuff that you were doing on this field.
Speaker 8: It's got to be Kelvin Joseph just because Jalen Tolbert
Speaker 8: he's He's not in any sort of jeopardy and any
Speaker 8: by any stretch of the mean. So, you know, Kevin
Speaker 8: Joseph going out there and balling during the preseason, I
Speaker 8: think that would be a lot more indicative of where
Speaker 8: he is rather than Jalen Tolbert.
Speaker 7: Going out there and balling during the preseason.
Speaker 8: I think Jalen's spot right now is mostly solidified as
Speaker 8: long as he doesn't, you know, something drastic doesn't happen
Speaker 8: during the preseason.
Speaker 5: I might I might catch from some heat from saying
Speaker 5: this from certain.
Speaker 2: Areas fans, but I mean it's say with your chest Thursday,
Speaker 2: but I think, I mean, I want Kelvin Joseph to
Speaker 2: make this team, and I feel like a lot of
Speaker 2: Cowboys fans have written him off because of either off
Speaker 2: the field issues, on the field concerns and things of
Speaker 2: the sort. I want Kelvin Joseph to make this team
Speaker 2: because in order to make this team, he's gonna have
Speaker 2: to flash, like a second round pick with flash. So
Speaker 2: that's where I'm at. If you're a if you're a
Speaker 2: true fan of the Cowboys, you want the success for
Speaker 2: the guys that you've drafted higher because that's why you
Speaker 2: draft him higher, because they have the ceiling, they have
Speaker 2: that opportunity.
Speaker 5: Guys like Tristan Hill is a great example.
Speaker 2: Tristan Hill would have flashed like the second round pick
Speaker 2: that they used on him, he would still be on
Speaker 2: this team, but he's not because he didn't flash, and
Speaker 2: now you don't benefit at all. So I want Kelvin
Speaker 2: Joseph to make an impact in the preseason. I want
Speaker 2: him to pick off Trevor Lawrence and do something great
Speaker 2: because if that's the case, that means he's showing a
Speaker 2: little bit, He's showing a little bit of that flash,
Speaker 2: a little bit of that hope to where hey, maybe
Speaker 2: one day we can put him in there as a
Speaker 2: team and as a defense and allow him to be successful.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm at. I want him to show that.
Speaker 2: I don't want him to just fade away and then
Speaker 2: end up on the off the roster. I want him
Speaker 2: to be that guy and he just hasn't been that yet.
Speaker 6: And I'm not saying they look at it this way,
Speaker 6: but this is kind of how I look at it.
Speaker 6: As you know, you look at draft picks, second round pick,
Speaker 6: you do not want this to be a swing and
Speaker 6: a miss to this level. And obviously you can go
Speaker 6: through the Cowboys second round has been the kind of
Speaker 6: an achilles heel several years. But with the Kelvin Joseph thing,
Speaker 6: I can easily if that doesn't work out, I can
Speaker 6: easily quantify that is. But you got drown Bland, so
Speaker 6: you know, sure, And it just kind of balances out
Speaker 6: for me like that. I mean, that's the thing. There's
Speaker 6: a lot of there's a lot of guests work when
Speaker 6: it comes to you know, drafting and how you rank
Speaker 6: your prospects and things like that, and sometimes you miss
Speaker 6: in the second round and sometimes you get in the fourth, fifth, sixth.
Speaker 7: So yeah, it's just a balance of it, right.
Speaker 2: I just want it all to work out, though, I'm
Speaker 2: just selfish like that. I want it all to work out.
Speaker 2: I want I want to have Trayvon Diggs and Stefan Gilmour.
Speaker 2: I want to have dron Bland and a second round
Speaker 2: caliber Kelvin Joseph, Like, that's what I want to see
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 6: I mean, it also hurts his chances just because of
Speaker 6: the effect of the layers you name, like they're loaded
Speaker 6: on defense. If this is just an okay, give you
Speaker 6: a better example. If this is like some of the
Speaker 6: Cowboys defenses in the past, you're probably just like, yeah, no,
Speaker 6: he's on the team, he's the second round pay whatever. No,
Speaker 6: they would loaded on defense, So you're not just gonna
Speaker 6: be keeping guys and not keeping other players because you're
Speaker 6: just stacked so much. It's not just the starters like
Speaker 6: you're too deep. It's just so solid that that factors
Speaker 6: into all of this.
Speaker 7: That's a solid point.
Speaker 8: Kelvin jose would definitely be on this team, no doubt
Speaker 8: if this was what twenty eleventh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty eighteen, I think absolutely honest too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: completely agree. All right, we got to take our second break.
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Speaker 2: call a game at AT and T Stadium and the
Speaker 2: main TV boost. That's that's gonna be an absolute blast.
Speaker 2: I mean, uh, super excited about it. But I mean
Speaker 2: I'm also just as excited as a Cowboys fan to
Speaker 2: see these guys out there too.
Speaker 7: I think that's gonna be a whole lot of fun.
Speaker 6: You're talking, you're in that You're in that booth that
Speaker 6: like Realmo and nanc are in.
Speaker 5: Huh uh huh yeah, we're in that main booth.
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure. Okay, so you're you're directly across the
Speaker 6: field from Jerry and like because it is wild, like
Speaker 6: if you haven't been to AT and T Stadium, like
Speaker 6: it is interesting how they have like it's almost like
Speaker 6: it comes out into the stands where the TV main
Speaker 6: TV booth is and then where Jerry and and Steven
Speaker 6: and and like Will McLay west the games.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I even for college games, I never
Speaker 2: had a chance, like as a Cowboys fan, to get
Speaker 2: down in the lower Bowl for a Cowboys game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I never got to walk by Nance or
Speaker 5: Romo or I guess.
Speaker 7: At that point it was Nansen.
Speaker 5: Uh, I forget Phil Sims.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was it was Sims at the time. But
Speaker 2: never got to walk by those guys. But during college games,
Speaker 2: like if Baylor and Texas Tech were playing, or if
Speaker 2: it was the Cotton Bowl, I would.
Speaker 5: Get down there and I would walk by and I
Speaker 5: just kind.
Speaker 2: Of peek in see who was in the booth and
Speaker 2: who was there. And so it'll be really cool to
Speaker 2: actually sit down and call a game.
Speaker 5: Or I'll probably be standing and get.
Speaker 7: Shaking or I don't know.
Speaker 5: We'll see, we'll see how that ends up working out.
Speaker 2: But really excited about the opportunity once again four pm
Speaker 2: Central time kickoff CBS eleven in Dallas and then the
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys TV Network as well, and then it'll also
Speaker 2: replay on NFL Network the next morning, So if you
Speaker 2: miss it live, you've got it, and if you're out
Speaker 2: of market, you'll get it the next morning. I believe
Speaker 2: it's eight thirty Central Time is when it airs on
Speaker 2: NFL Network, so you'll get to see our broadcast there
Speaker 2: as well. But as we wrap things up, I want
Speaker 2: one key to a successful preseason, and I also want
Speaker 2: one player to watch, John on who you have your
Speaker 2: eyes on going into that first game against Jacksonville?
Speaker 6: Oh, one player to watch too? Was fun. As I
Speaker 6: mentioned earlier in the show about the Cavante Turpin, what
Speaker 6: if duce Vaughan, you know he's going to get a
Speaker 6: chance to return, I would think, because it doesn't sound
Speaker 6: like Cavanti Turpin's gonna be returning any kicks. Kavanti Turpin's
Speaker 6: gonna play, but it doesn't sound like they're gonna have
Speaker 6: him doing any returning.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 6: What if duce Vaughan has just a monster game returning
Speaker 6: running everything? Uh, that would be wild. That would be
Speaker 6: such a huge, huge storyline coming out of that game.
Speaker 6: And then one aspect, did you.
Speaker 5: Say, what is the key to a successful preseason?
Speaker 6: Oh? Yeah, obviously it'd be great to have two or
Speaker 6: three reserve offensive lineman step up. But even if you
Speaker 6: had one or two, let's say Josh Baul, you were
Speaker 6: just like man, I think he's ready if they needed him,
Speaker 6: he could step in, Matt Will let's go something like that.
Speaker 6: If if you come out of that, I don't even
Speaker 6: think you'd care what the scoreboard said.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's one of two ways to go with the key.
Speaker 8: I think you definitely took one of them. I think
Speaker 8: the other one would be a running back. Two emerges
Speaker 8: and it's solidified and that's it. And so for that
Speaker 8: Rico Daubteles who I'm really looking at going into this
Speaker 8: first preseason game. So two running backs.
Speaker 7: Wow, I think this.
Speaker 8: Like I said last week, this running back position probably
Speaker 8: has that's the biggest spotlight going into the preseason, just
Speaker 8: because it's still relatively unproven. I doubt Tony Pollard gets much,
Speaker 8: if any work. So it's they're gonna have their opportunities,
Speaker 8: that's for sure.
Speaker 5: That's gonna show you exactly what it will mean.
Speaker 2: I mean if if somebody breaks a big run in
Speaker 2: one of these preseason games, I mean it's gonna steck
Speaker 2: out kind of like the Cavante Turpin thing. Deuce Vaughn
Speaker 2: runs at sixty yards to the house, or Rico Daddle
Speaker 2: breaks a fifty five yard touchdown run. I mean things
Speaker 2: like that are going to stick in our mind because
Speaker 2: everybody's watching for it, everybody's waiting for it. I think,
Speaker 2: of course, the easy key is health. I mean, get
Speaker 2: out of it healthy for sure, no injuries. Make sure
Speaker 2: everybody's ready to go for Seattle, and then after that
Speaker 2: for Las Vegas, and then after that for Week one,
Speaker 2: And that's the most important going into that matchup with
Speaker 2: the New York Giants. But I think I don't think
Speaker 2: I'm too far off from you guys. I want to
Speaker 2: see what the ground game can do because but I
Speaker 2: want to I want to take another aspect of it,
Speaker 2: though it's for the play calling side of things, because
Speaker 2: with this West Coast scheme, with this West Coast offense,
Speaker 2: Isaiah's talked about it, but we talked about it on
Speaker 2: his first show on Talking Cowboys out here in Oxnard.
Speaker 2: If you can't run the ball, it is tough to
Speaker 2: be successful in a West Coast offense because of the
Speaker 2: principles that it has, because of the way things are
Speaker 2: set up, and it all feeds off of the run.
Speaker 2: So yeah, offensive lineman steps up, that's fantastic. Running back
Speaker 2: steps up, that's great. But if you're able to run
Speaker 2: the ball effectively, that's going to open up the entire offense.
Speaker 2: And I think that's that's what I'm looking for. I
Speaker 2: want to see the ground game continue to grow.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're gonna need to see that front seven, stay honest,
Speaker 7: go ahead.
Speaker 6: Oh no, I was just gonna say one other one
Speaker 6: is clearly Brandon Aubrey. They would love for out there,
Speaker 6: every kick, make it and just look like, oh yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: this is the guy. I don't know why anybody had
Speaker 6: any doubts. This is gonna be the guy the entire time.
Speaker 6: They would love to come out of this game saying that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same thing I said a little bit
Speaker 2: earlier about the running back position of Leonard Fordettz out there,
Speaker 2: he's floating around, But it would be nice for one
Speaker 2: of these guys. And I want to see what you
Speaker 2: have with the guys in house. I think it's the
Speaker 2: exact same situation at kicker. See what you have with
Speaker 2: Brandon Aubery. He's gonna get a shot to make every kick,
Speaker 2: make every pat go out.
Speaker 7: There and do his thing.
Speaker 2: But then once, once things go wrong, or if things
Speaker 2: go wrong, then all of a sudden, you've got to
Speaker 2: have some conversations there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, I think, okay, what's what's a yardage mark
Speaker 8: that if he hits would be okay? I think he
Speaker 8: might actually be the kicker? Is it forty seven? Is
Speaker 8: it fifty plus?
Speaker 7: Fifty plus?
Speaker 5: I want to see a fifty plus?
Speaker 7: You want to see a fifty plus?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I do too, I mean, yeah, absolutely, But I would
Speaker 8: like to see a kick longer than what he's made
Speaker 8: out here. I think the longest one he's made out here. Uh,
Speaker 8: correigt me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 6: Forty three that sounds right, yeah, forty three. So what's
Speaker 6: the longest you think they've attemted? I can't remember see
Speaker 6: anything beyond forty eight.
Speaker 7: Forty seven, forty eight? Yeah, I want to say forty
Speaker 7: eight's right?
Speaker 5: Is it just one of the mojo moments?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Once right? Put it? They pushed him back a
Speaker 7: little bit.
Speaker 6: Oh and one more thing in the running back thing
Speaker 6: you said about the four net thing. Oh yeah, believe me,
Speaker 6: you would love one of these young running backs to
Speaker 6: be the guy to step up, because for me, if
Speaker 6: that's the case, then it's not even just about this year,
Speaker 6: because you're gonna be looking at next year to running
Speaker 6: back is gonna be a major thing going into the
Speaker 6: draft or agency all that, Like you would love her
Speaker 6: because for me, if you're doing Leonard Fournette, it's a
Speaker 6: one year deal, that's not even part. If one of
Speaker 6: these like Malik Davis Riquodout will do or all of
Speaker 6: them step up, then you're it's not just about like, man,
Speaker 6: that's great for this year. This is great for the
Speaker 6: position going forward.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, and that's probably why they want to see these
Speaker 8: guys go ahead and play it out with this preseason.
Speaker 7: That's probably a valid reason why.
Speaker 5: All right, before we go, I need one one thing
Speaker 5: you need from me in the booth on on Saturday
Speaker 5: with what's one either like a like a keyword or
Speaker 5: a touchdown call.
Speaker 2: I want you to give me something just just so
Speaker 2: that way, And this isn't just for us at the desk,
Speaker 2: This for everybody listens to talking cowboys. This is gonna
Speaker 2: be my way to shout you guys out, so you
Speaker 2: remember this. Whenever I'm in the booth on Saturday, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna find a way to fit it in.
Speaker 7: What what is the word or the phrase.
Speaker 5: It can't be like a hot knife through butter or
Speaker 5: something cheesy like that. It's got to be something that
Speaker 5: fits in.
Speaker 7: But just know when you hear it that.
Speaker 6: That it's this is very easy for me, very easy
Speaker 6: for what.
Speaker 8: Is Chris Beavers at the back saying no cap. If
Speaker 8: you could say no cap during a broadcast, there's no
Speaker 8: way you can pull it off. Though, I'm gonna say,
Speaker 8: I'm just gonna I'll let you go first. John, I'm
Speaker 8: gonna think of one.
Speaker 6: This one I was gonna say, just because of what
Speaker 6: we read there about that mascot being the Zebras. If
Speaker 6: you can call the Raps at some point the Zebras.
Speaker 5: That's way easier than saying no cap. So I like
Speaker 5: that idea a lot. That's a good one. Though that'd
Speaker 5: be a shout out to Grandy two.
Speaker 7: It would be. Man, I'm thinking hard.
Speaker 5: You're trying to you're trying to think of something.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say, plush as a pillow.
Speaker 8: I feel like you could work that in plush as
Speaker 8: a pillow. He's like, he's like, my best thought here.
Speaker 6: He's like, I'm going no cap we'll work that in.
Speaker 2: I'll see if I can work in any of those three.
Speaker 2: If I can work in any of those three, everybody
Speaker 2: at home will have a chance. They'll they'll know I'm
Speaker 2: talking to Talking Cowboys Nation. I'm doing I'm doing the
Speaker 2: people's work. Okay, I'm here. I'm gonna try and I'll
Speaker 2: try and knock out all three. If I can get
Speaker 2: all three in there, then we're.
Speaker 6: Gonna throw an It was.
Speaker 5: All right, guys, that's gonna do it for us here
Speaker 5: on Talking Cowboys. Hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Monday to break down everything we
Speaker 2: saw this weekend from the Jacksonville Dallas matchup at and
Speaker 2: T Stadium.
Speaker 5: But we're here Monday.
Speaker 2: Wednesday, and then we make a trip to Seattle and
Speaker 2: it'll be a whole lot of fun. John, You're not
Speaker 2: here next week, right.
Speaker 7: I'm not.
Speaker 6: But I want everybody to know out there that this
Speaker 6: is some of the worst weather. It looks like it
Speaker 6: might rain every's out here, and I want you, I
Speaker 6: want you to know for the record that we were
Speaker 6: gonna keep going. We were through the rain, yep because
Speaker 6: that's what Taylor swift'sman doing. And we can do the
Speaker 6: same thing here.
Speaker 5: I love it, very nicely done.
Speaker 2: For Chris Beam in the back, for Nick Harris, for
Speaker 2: John Machoda, swifty of all swifties. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying
Speaker 2: so long. We'll see you next week for more Talking Cowboys.
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