WEBVTT - Sandra Galas 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:07.400 You're listening to Facing Evil, a production of iHeartRadio and 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:11.160 Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.120 are solely those of the individuals participating in the show 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.560 and do not represent those of iHeartRadio or Tenderfoot TV. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.280 This podcast contains subject matter which may not be suitable 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.160 for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:30.800 Helloha, everyone, Welcome back to Facing Evil. I'm Rascha Pecerreiro 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:34.839 and I'mivet Genteel. In this week, we're talking about the 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:38.640 murder of Sandra Gaullis. This murder took place back in 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:42.160 two thousand and six, and it happened in Hawaii, our 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.559 home state. And I know many people think of the 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.559 beautiful islands of Hawaii as a tropical paradise, which it 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.760 absolutely is. But it's a place you don't think that 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:59.200 murder or crime would happen. But it's just a place 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.959 like anywhere else, and sadly, it does happen sometimes. 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.120 And the thing about this case is that it seemed 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.399 like it was an open and shut case, but this 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:15.759 took so long for justice to actually come to this case. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:20.080 And it's really because of the parents, the family, the Ohanna, 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.640 the village that fought for justice. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:26.959 Yes, and we are so grateful today to have part 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:28.840 of that village with us to join us in a 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:33.240 conversation about Sandy. We have two members of her Ohana 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.920 with us here today, but first our producer Trevor is 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.000 going to walk us through today's case. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.760 In January of two thousand and six, twenty seven year 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.760 old Sandra Galis was found strangled in her car parked 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:48.520 in the garage of her Ala La home. 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.240 Police launched the murder investigation, but never arrested a suspect 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:55.520 and the case went cold until now, Koa You police 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:57.920 have arrested a man for the murder of Sandra Gallis. 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.360 He was her ex husband. 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.400 Cal what you police say this has been a collaborative 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.400 effort and they say they were able to track down 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:08.440 the suspected killer because of improved DNA technologies and a 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:09.640 new cold case unit. 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.160 Sandra Gallis was a twenty seven year old woman who 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.560 was killed in Hawaii in two thousand and six. On 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:21.280 the morning of January twenty fifth, Sandra was found dead 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.560 in her car parked in her garage at her home 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.840 in Kawaii. The causes of death were strangulation and blunt 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:32.760 force trauma to the head. Seven years earlier, she had 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:37.480 married Darren Gallis. Together they had two sons. In April 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:41.320 of two thousand and five, Sandra and Darren separated after 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.440 she discovered that he was cheating on her. They decided 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:48.200 to share custody of the boys. Darren was opposed to 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:52.040 getting legally separated. He grew even more upset when he 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.200 learned that Sandra had a new relationship with a man 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.440 named Ryan Shinjo, a chef who reportedly lavished Sandra with 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:03.640 expensive gifts. When Sandra picked up their sons from visits 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.720 with Darren, the two of them would get into bitter arguments, 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.080 and in January of two thousand and six, she wrote 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.799 to her attorney describing an incident in which Darren had 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.960 yelled at her while also shaking her violently as she 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:20.760 was in the hospital. On January twenty third, two thousand 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:25.000 and six, his coworkers witnessed Darren losing his temper when 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.480 he saw Ryan and Sandra out together in public. The 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:32.320 following day, Sandra spent the night at Ryan's house, and 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.320 the next morning he dropped her off around six am. 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.440 Neighbors then saw her car leave to pick up the 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.080 boys from their father's house. The car returned a short 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.800 while later, but without the boys. She would never arrive 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:50.160 to pick them up. Later that morning, Ryan Shinjo found 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.720 Sandra Gallis strangled and beaten in her car parked in 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:57.680 her garage. Friends and family thought this case would be 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:00.480 open and shut and that Darren Gallis would go to jail, 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:05.040 but this was not the case. The police chief said, quote, 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.160 you have to have some physical evidence and an eye witness. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.400 Darren Gallis had the means in the motive, but that 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:15.440 was not enough to charge him. Despite Sandra's parents' objections, 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:19.760 Darren gained custody of their sons, Austin and Brayden, and 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.360 although Sandra's parents tried to stay in touch with their grandchildren, 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:28.000 they believed that Darren was brainwashing the kids against them. 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:32.560 With no new evidence, the case went cold. Over the years, 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.920 Sandra's parents would go door to door seeking new information. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:40.200 They even appeared on Dateline. They also started a foundation 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:45.400 dedicated to raising awareness of Sandra's murder. Finally, years later, 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.440 a key piece of evidence was discovered pointing to Darren Gallus, 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:54.120 and he was indicted for second degree murder in twenty eighteen, 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.320 he reached a plea deal and was given a maximum 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.760 term of ten years in prison, though the family believes 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:04.360 he deserved worse, and his sentence was reduced in twenty 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:09.440 twenty two. And So who was Sandra Gallis? What really 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.440 happened to her in two thousand and six? And how 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.880 does this story of a family seeking justice reveal the 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.000 power of community and dedication? 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:28.080 Today we are so grateful to have Lawrence Mendanza Senior 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:33.159 and Lawrence Mendanza Junior. They are the father and the 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:38.400 brother of Sandy Gaullis. We are so honored to have 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:42.159 you both on the show today, and especially Larry, thank 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.280 you so much for being here on your birthday. You 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.919 just turned eighty two. To be here with us to 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:53.119 talk about your beautiful daughter, it's it just means so much, 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.040 So thank you both for being here. 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:56.600 Thank you for having us. 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:01.800 So Holi lahanaw Larry, Happy birthday, Arry, So dad, We're 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:05.000 gonna call you Larry, and then Laurence Junior. Of course, Laurence, 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.560 so our listeners know, but thank you so much for 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:11.600 being here. And we know that we are all from 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:17.120 the same beautiful state, raised in Julvity and I feel 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:18.480 like it's going to be one of the many things 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.720 that we share. I would love to know what was 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:25.920 it like growing up for you, Lawrence in Kawai. 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:27.040 It was awesome. 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.920 I mean, as you all know, I mean, the state 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.800 of Provii is just incredible, right, It's not just the 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.200 beauty of the of the aina, but also just the 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.039 beauty of the people. And it's a privilege to have 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.880 grown up there and experienced life on the island. 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:46.080 Absolutely, it's you know, Hawaii is really a special place. 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.840 Can you start to tell us about your sister, Like, 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.679 what was it like, you know, growing up with your sister? 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.839 What did you guys do together? What was your life together? 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.560 Like, well, you know, the first part of growing up 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.159 on Kai we lived on a ranch and on a 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.000 whole office, so you know, it was one hundred and 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.400 forty two acres, had our own waterfall in front of 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:07.080 the house, and the beach front access. So you know, 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:08.400 we used to go out. I used to take my 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.440 pelict gun and she used to get a little fanny 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.880 pack and we would God, we had two fruit orchards 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.520 on the property, so we would go and we'd be 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.120 gone all day, right, we would go. We got hungry 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:23.160 we go pick tangerines or oranges or mangos or whatever 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.679 and eat whatever shoot does. 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:26.720 And those are other things. You know. 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:27.960 If I shot something, I had to eat it. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.560 So I always shot, yeah, right, I had to. 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.160 Clean it and eat it, bring it home. Mom would 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.360 cook it, you know. But then we would go to 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.760 the beach and just hang out on the beach and play. 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.360 And it's time to come home. We knew, you know, 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:40.920 started get dark, all right, we got to go back 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:42.080 to the house. Mom was making dinner. 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.680 So it was you know, it was awesome. 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.120 What was the age difference between the two of you. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.119 Two years or year nine months? 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:51.840 A little a little shorter of a distance. Evet and 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:53.920 I are eleven years apart. But I would just follow 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.840 her around everywhere. But we were city girls. We never 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:01.760 got to kill anything and eat it. Peys maybe, but 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:02.480 that's about it. 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:04.440 Larry. 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.760 I would love to know your your backstory and you 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.000 and your wife. Obviously you made the conscious decision to 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:15.360 raise Sandy and Lawrence on Kowai. What what made you 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.400 decide to do that, especially having lived all over the 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:19.440 world and in Japan. 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.520 If I'm not mistaken, I was born on Kawai. 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:28.160 Oh you are a Kawai boy. Okay, oh wow. 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:29.440 I'm a local boy all the way through. 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:30.800 I love it and. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.760 I got ready to retire from the military. Lawrence was 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:39.320 three years old, Sandy was two years old. Mmmmm. 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:45.160 Sandraw was actually born in Japan, the country of her 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:50.120 her mother. And the reason I came back to Hawaii 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:55.840 was I have I had three brothers, two older, one younger. 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.760 We're all military brats. 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.240 If you will, muhullo for your service, thank you. 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.760 I was the only one that came back to Kawai. 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:11.640 The other three actually ended up living in Texas and 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:17.280 or Oklahoma. I think that basically to take care mom 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.920 and dad. There was nobody here to take care mom 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:24.440 and dad. And I think it was a great decision. 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:28.240 I don't regret it, and other than the fact of 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.800 losing Sandy, but of course that was her decision. 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.800 So Lawrence, growing up with your sister, you know, as 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.400 you guys started to get older, you know, in your 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.959 teen years, like what was you know some of your 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.440 sister's dreams, like what did she want to be? 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:48.200 Or do you know she always wanted to have a family. 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.920 You know, she loved being with her friends, she loved dancing, 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:58.280 hula was she she was? She was she performed a 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.200 lot in fact that can verify this. What was she 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:02.800 in the coal plantation day Prix? 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:10.960 When she was younger, she joined Leilani Bond pull Lull. 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:18.200 She participated in kikiula competition. M Well, she was in 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:24.719 high school. She actually worked part time on why l 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:28.240 e Li riverboat trips. 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:31.320 Up to the Fern Grotto and Little River. That's where 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:32.600 she made her spending money. 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:34.000 I love it. 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.400 She was a local girl through and through. 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:46.040 She was never satisfied with everything. She was always in 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:49.240 a hurry to get get what she was doing. She 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:55.400 actually convinced us to let her join the gymnastics for 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.760 school when she was five years old. Shortly thereafter and 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:03.200 she decided she wanted to learn hula. So she was 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:07.640 doing gymnastics and dancing and learning to dance sula. I 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.480 love it and that was the start of her life. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.800 She always did that. When she went to college after 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:19.439 high school, she wasn't satisfied with taking fifteen or eighteen 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:20.800 credits there per semester. 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.560 She wanted more. She called us, I can take more, 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:28.440 I can take no. We put a stop on that. 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.840 She she wanted to do everything but she never really 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:37.320 thought about it as to managing her time. So we'd 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.559 sit her down and say, Okay, where are you going 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:41.160 to get the time? 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.480 I'll make time. I'll make time. That was sy That 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.240 was that was her life. 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:50.000 Sounds like Sandy really had a lust for life. And 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.760 especially when you dance hula, you have to, you know, 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.040 appreciate the eye of the land that you come from, 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:22.679 and she just it's like a beautiful soul. I'd love 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:27.800 to ask you, Lawrence. So we're here to tell Sandy's story, 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:34.280 to get her voice out there and to know more 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.600 about what to look for, because we're always looking for 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:42.040 the light in the darkness. And so if you feel comfortable, 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:46.160 can you walk us through. Did you see signs leading 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:51.880 up to her unfortunate death of domestic violence or anything 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.680 that you were like, oh, I'm worried for my baby sister. 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:59.600 Looking back on it, yeah, Hind's like twenty twenty, right, 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:01.199 can you look back on things and you're like, oh, 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:02.960 I would have paid more attention, or we had paid 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:07.160 more attention, maybe something could have been done. So, I mean, 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.000 I distinctly remember one instance, and I was I had 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:14.200 come home for it was the summer or what. But 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.240 I happened to be home on Kawai and she came 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:20.880 to visit. Is when at that time she only had 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.559 her first son, Austin, my oldest nephew, And she was 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.080 at the house and we're all sitting around and I 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.320 was playing with the kids, and I happened to look 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.600 down at her thigh and she had this big old 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:32.319 bruise on her leg. 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:33.560 And I was like, and I. 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:44.120 Jokingly and looking back pretty inappropriately, but. 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:41.760 What happened there? 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:44.960 He beat daring, beating you or what? 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:46.240 And she just kind of played off. 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.000 She said, no, I ran into the table or whatever. 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:49.760 You know, typical response. 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:53.120 Yeah, yeah, looking back, you know it probably was the 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.920 result of of something of that sort. And you know, 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.400 it's it's one of the things that kind of wears 0:13:59.400 --> 0:13:59.640 on me. 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:01.840 You can't let that get to Lawrence. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.720 Yeah, yeah, it's for the most part of me. She 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.120 she knew if she ever told me or Dad or 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.720 any of the family or any very really close friends 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.360 what was really going on, she knew what would happen. 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.520 And you know, she was very much the type that 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.800 would take care of things on her own, whether it 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:20.560 didn't matter. 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:20.760 What it was. 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.280 You know, she was a gutter yea. 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:27.920 Yeah, so looking back, yeah, there's probably signs that that 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:32.520 weren't as obvious. And me being away from home so much, 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:36.360 I mean, I have seen it a whole lot. If 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.000 I was home more, maybe I would have been able 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.920 to see more of it and just kind of get 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:42.960 a grasp on it and kind of reel it in. 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.080 And there were definitely signs there. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.840 One of the reasons that I was so attached to 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.760 this case and it so emotionally struck me is just 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.360 the circumstances and you know, the way that things happened 0:14:56.480 --> 0:15:01.640 and how he didn't get convicted until twelve years later. 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:06.880 But you the family, you're Ohana like you fought and 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:11.200 fought and fought for justice to come. You know, how 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:11.920 did you do that? 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:12.800 Is my question? 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.760 How did you you all stay so strong, you know, 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:18.920 just to keep persevering forward. 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:20.560 Dad was a spearhead. 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:25.400 I mean, he made it his life's mission to get 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:29.000 justice from my sister, and he did not let anything 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:30.920 get in the way of that. You know. He was 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:35.120 meeting with the police chief, you know, every month and 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:39.120 had developed a very close relationship with the police chief. 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.040 Was that Chief Perry right? 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:46.280 Mm hm, Yes, yes, Dad was definitely the spearhead for that, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.840 and you know it wouldn't let her name die and 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:53.440 we sat down and thought about things. I remember thinking 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.680 about things to keep her name out there, like fundraisers 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.720 and charity events, and because of friends the family, we 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.280 were able to get in touch with the y w 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:06.960 c A and help them put together golf course or 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.920 a golf tournament and keep my sister's name alive and 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.280 keep the public aware of what's going on and you know, 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:17.160 generate revenue for to help fight domestic violence. But that 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.640 and Mom definitely were the ones that were not going 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:23.120 to let it go away and disappear. And it definitely 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.600 took a toll on them. I can definitely say that 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.320 for sure. You know Dad with his hard issues and 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.560 moms with their health issues as well, so that Dad 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.480 was not going to let it fade away and for 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:36.320 it to be forgotten. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:37.320 For sure, they. 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.920 Will not let anyone forget Sandy. No. 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:44.000 Well. Started at her graves. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.480 I promised her that I would go until we got 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:51.880 close here, and I always lived by that model. When 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:55.760 I make a promise, I intend to keep it whatever 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:56.360 the cost. 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:57.960 Whatever the cost. 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:03.320 Yeah, any things with Sandy that you know why she 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:08.520 was growing up during the awkward ages, we never got along. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:12.280 She thought it was a cruelest and Mena's father. 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:12.679 In the world. 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.520 She had made it after Reft she was married and 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:20.359 you know, wanted our help and all this. She said, Well, 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.520 I thought you were Mena's dead in the world, but no, 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.360 I can't live without you. 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:27.080 We made up. 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:31.880 We were we were bonding and getting quite pleasuredly together 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.639 with each other over the last two or three years 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:36.240 of her life. 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.639 I can definitely say that they but it heads a 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.080 lot because they had identical personalities. 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:49.080 Personalities sounds like me and my daughter Leilani. Yeah, I can, 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.520 I can relate. I can relate very very much so, 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.159 and I'm sure it was different when Sandy became a 0:17:55.240 --> 0:18:00.000 parent herself. And is it appropriate and is it comfortable 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:04.080 for you to talk about Sandy's children and how they are. 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:10.280 There were three and five when Sandy died, and they 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:15.919 lived with their father, who was the perpetrator, so consequently 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:21.719 he poisoned their minds. Children think Sandy was an evil woman, 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:28.320 and Grandpa is unheard of. Grandpa is beyond that. They 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.000 won't talk, They won't talk to us, they won't listen 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:32.000 to us. 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:32.399 Nothing. 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:37.480 But I've had family friends, relatives that met with him, 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.080 so they were cousins and all this. 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.440 They just shout him. That's the way the two children are. 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:44.560 I'm so sorry. 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:50.200 In fact, the oldest one, he will turn twenty three 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.440 on the twenty fourth of this month, and when I 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:56.159 send them cards and all that, in some cases they 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.320 won't even gesh to check. 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.920 Other cases, they'll keep. 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:04.280 It till the bare minimum maximum time before they catch it. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:08.320 No, thank you, no nothing. We don't hear from them 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:08.720 at all. 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:10.400 I'm so sorry. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:15.360 This was something I anticipated when I decided to pursue 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:19.080 Sandy's case. It was a decision that we had to 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:23.920 make because either we lay Sandy to rest the way 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:29.400 she should have been and corporate the relations with our grandchildren. 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:31.680 That's a decision we made. 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:33.320 In order to have justice. 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.360 I guess I can ask both of you this question. 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:41.120 You believed that he was the one who did it. 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:45.800 It wasn't Ryan, her boyfriend. All of the evidence was 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:47.280 pointing to Darren. 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:51.600 There were two different people. Ryan was cooperative. We were 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.640 up in Texas visiting with Lawrence and my brother at 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:58.159 the time when Sandy was killed, so we had to 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.400 rush back and when we got back, we. 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:01.720 Met Ryan for the first time. 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.440 I never you know, he was He wasn't in our 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:09.760 lives to be prior to Andy's death, but he was cooperative. 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:14.000 He had some issues, but and still on occasion I 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:17.600 communicate with him via emails. He's in he lives in Anola. 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.960 Darren was just the opposite. Darren wouldn't have anything to 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:25.399 do with us. He discouraged the two boys from even 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:29.359 communicating with us. I uh when they got a food 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:33.160 order for visitors, right and he signed it and agreed. 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.960 So every weekend we would pick the two boys up 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.400 and he went quite well for about two or three months. 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:45.359 Then started where the oldest grandson said, I don't I 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.840 don't really want to come over there, and I could 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:49.080 see the writing on the wall. 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:50.280 They were being badgered. 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.600 When I brought them back on Sunday evening, they were 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:55.440 being verbally badgered. 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:17.920 Larry, can you tell us a little bit about the 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:21.600 Sandy g Memorial golf tournament that they have every year 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:22.800 in Kawhai. 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:27.800 After Sandy got killed, there was, you know, as part 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:33.080 of keeping her name and the case alive, that the 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:39.320 young lady that worked at the YWCA News Sandy and Lawrence. 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:42.520 She was one of their teachers when they were in 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:48.880 elementary school at Saint Katherine School. And this particular person 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:55.320 was the principal of Saint Katrine School when Sandy graduated, 0:21:55.920 --> 0:22:00.840 so you know she knew Sandy quite well. Yeah, after 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:04.760 Sandy died and I was I was in. I basically 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.080 told the police that, you know, I was going to 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:09.040 be a thorn in their side and the case was 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:13.800 so and a couple of years after this was going, 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:18.040 it was looking like the case was going on the 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:23.040 cold case files. So I set up an appointment with 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:27.840 the police chief and went in to see him. Unfortunately, 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:32.639 he kind of took an interest in Sandy's case. He 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:38.040 had retired from honul Police department as a major and 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:41.560 now he was a police chief and on Kawhi, so 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:45.240 he had contacts in Honolulu. He brought in the cold 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:49.399 case team from Honolulu. 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.040 And they, you know, kept the thing going. 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:55.359 But in the process I got with Renee, who is 0:22:55.520 --> 0:23:00.399 who had moved from an employee at the at the 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:04.920 YW to the executive director of. 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:10.880 The YW un koy okay Oh. 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:15.040 After we got organized about a year after Sandy's death. 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:17.960 The year year and a half, we decided to start 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:18.760 a golf tournament. 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:21.600 Wow, fantastic we did. 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:22.640 We do it every year. 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:28.640 Now it's it's like the seventeenth or eighteen anniversary coming up, and. 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:30.560 It's August of twenty twenty three. Yeah. 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:37.280 Yeah, first tournament only had like about thirteen or fourteen teams. 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:38.320