Speaker 1: Gee, I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about
Speaker 1: everything and everybody.
Speaker 2: You don't know if you don't lie about that. Right,
Speaker 2: y'all know where we're at.
Speaker 1: We're back here at the court today for the latest
Speaker 1: with Laurna Rosa, and today the latest is like normally,
Speaker 1: when I walk out, I'll be like, all right, boom,
Speaker 1: I feel like the prosecution took it boom.
Speaker 2: I feel like the defense took it today.
Speaker 1: Today, I don't have a strong opinion about either side.
Speaker 1: This is what I think deflated Diddy's legal teams set
Speaker 1: up of what they were trying to do. So diddy
Speaker 1: legal teams spent a lot of time on trying to
Speaker 1: debunk ding Richard's credibility because she couldn't remember certain timelines.
Speaker 1: There were missteps in what she said to prosecutors and
Speaker 1: then to you know, they're on the stand because of
Speaker 1: the timeline and she was saying, yo, it's been a
Speaker 1: long time. But Carrie Morgan came on the stand and
Speaker 1: essentially did the same thing. She remembered the very high
Speaker 1: level points. She remembers certain things, but because of the
Speaker 1: time period and how long ago this stuff was, she
Speaker 1: would say that was so long ago, I don't remember,
Speaker 1: and the defense didn't lean in on it, Like the
Speaker 1: defense didn't even acknowledge the fact that she was saying
Speaker 1: the same thing Dawn was saying about not being able
Speaker 1: to remember it. But they did everything that they could
Speaker 1: do to basically, like when Dorn was on the stand,
Speaker 1: they dragged baby Girl for not being able to remember
Speaker 1: certain dates right. But when Carrie Morgan got on the
Speaker 1: stand and they thought that this was going to prove
Speaker 1: a lot of the points they wanted to prove, they
Speaker 1: let her ride. So let's just talk about what happened
Speaker 1: briefly to break it down for you. First witness up
Speaker 1: Dormshard and Dawn's testimony was really heavily predicated on her
Speaker 1: civil lawsuit that she filed. So Dawn talks a lot
Speaker 1: about witnessing an incident with Cassie or a couple incidents,
Speaker 1: but the first one that she went into and that
Speaker 1: they spent a lot of.
Speaker 2: Time on was the egg frying.
Speaker 1: The egg incident, Dawn alleged that they were at Diddy
Speaker 1: and Cassie's home in La Cassie was downstairs in the
Speaker 1: kitchen making eggs for Diddy, letting them cool, and he
Speaker 1: got upset because they were taking so long. In her lawsuit,
Speaker 1: Don alleges that she came down sir, that Diddy came downstairs,
Speaker 1: he was upset. He went to go hit Cassie with
Speaker 1: the front Cassie fell to the ground in a feudal
Speaker 1: position on the stand.
Speaker 2: She also let the same thing, however, where.
Speaker 1: They were allegedly all at a New York like city festival,
Speaker 1: and the festival, she says, was when they were supposed
Speaker 1: to be announcing the eighty Dirty Money group, and that
Speaker 1: it was Hers Harper, who was her other band member,
Speaker 1: Diddy and Cassie and they were in this place, his
Speaker 1: home in New York, and Cassie and Diddy were arguing
Speaker 1: about something. Diddy got upset allegedly hit Cassie in her face.
Speaker 1: She says that her and Kiera Harper were allegedly in
Speaker 1: the bathroom doing her makeup, getting ready to go. Cassie
Speaker 1: comes in and Cassie's like quiet, but she's obviously upset.
Speaker 1: She's crying and she's trying to fix her makeup. Her
Speaker 1: face is swelling. She ends up having to wear glasses
Speaker 1: to the event that they went to. They get to
Speaker 1: this event, they're there they make it through if they
Speaker 1: wear glasses. She's asked about, you know, would she ever
Speaker 1: say anything in any of these instances, and she says,
Speaker 1: you know, she would say things. She would go to
Speaker 1: Cassie and say, allegedly, you need to leave him, But
Speaker 1: she says that, you know, event charity with her and
Speaker 1: back up a bit because she knew Cassie wasn't ready
Speaker 1: to leave him, so she would do things like they
Speaker 1: would all wear glasses together so that Cassie wouldn'teel embarrassed
Speaker 1: or you know, like she talked about Cassie still having
Speaker 1: dreams and wanted to fulfill her music dreams and her
Speaker 1: modeling dreams and all these different things, and on offer
Speaker 1: to like write for her like, so it gave that
Speaker 1: she was, you know, trying to silently support her. Dawn
Speaker 1: also talked about that day after the alleged egg accident
Speaker 1: incident happened, and she says that after that incident, the
Speaker 1: day after, y'all recall even in her lawsuit, she says
Speaker 1: that the day after, Diddy came into a room a
Speaker 1: recording studio that her and kier Her and her band
Speaker 1: My Members Harper were allegedly in and told them like
Speaker 1: that was just passion that y'all saw nobody's hurt and
Speaker 1: sold them like y'all need to don't say nothing about
Speaker 1: what y'all saw, because who people who talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: these type of things when it comes to me go missing.
Speaker 2: So they let her go. They let her talk about
Speaker 2: all these different incidents.
Speaker 1: They also talked about an incident in la that Dawn
Speaker 1: alleged happened with Diddy and Cassie, and she alleged she
Speaker 1: alleged when she was talking to the prosecution that there
Speaker 1: were a lot of other people there. So they clarify, well,
Speaker 1: who were the other people there that worked for him?
Speaker 1: And she says that, you know, she allected that security
Speaker 1: was there. She unless that there were some assistants there.
Speaker 1: And then now the defense comes on, right, so this
Speaker 1: is Diddy team. Diddy teams come on and he they
Speaker 1: just basically go through event event event event that she
Speaker 1: had named on face value. I'm not even gonna lie
Speaker 1: on face value it gave. They didn't hold back on
Speaker 1: Dawn whatsoever. They cooked her. And the reason why I
Speaker 1: say that is because at face value, right, like just
Speaker 1: listening to it, there were so many times where she
Speaker 1: had recalled things that they would say, Oh, well, that
Speaker 1: wasn't mentioned in your testimony to the prosecutors, which is
Speaker 1: a testimony where you know you're supposed to be telling
Speaker 1: the truth. Right, for instance, whether Darmer shards testimony should
Speaker 1: honestly even be admitted. Because Diddy's team was trying to say, look,
Speaker 1: we can't just pull out all these random acts of
Speaker 1: violence that people are alleging and throw them on you know, Diddy,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't prove what we're here to have a
Speaker 1: conversation about, which is a sex trafficking and you know,
Speaker 1: all these other things. The prosecution was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: it does because when you talk about these acts of
Speaker 1: alleged domestic violence and you have these witnesses giving these
Speaker 1: first hand accounts, it shows how fearful they were, especially Dawn,
Speaker 1: who is alleging that not only does she see him
Speaker 1: get physical with Cassie, but she was threatened to if
Speaker 1: you say something, this is what will happen. And that
Speaker 1: right there is what the prosecution is trying to That's
Speaker 1: the biggest thing they're trying to prove, is that Diddy
Speaker 1: has this nature about him allegedly where it's like.
Speaker 2: If you say I do this.
Speaker 1: I do what I want, and if anyone goes against that,
Speaker 1: or if you say something that goes against that, here
Speaker 1: is the consequence that will happen from that, right, And
Speaker 1: that's what she was alleging. So the defense comes on
Speaker 1: and they specifically go right at that claim. They're like, look,
Speaker 1: you have these interviews with prosecutors, right, And she's like yeah.
Speaker 1: Don is like yeah, and they're like, you're supposed to
Speaker 1: be honest in these interviews with prosecutors, right, like it
Speaker 1: I it is like assumed, and you know that you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be honest, and she's like, of course. So
Speaker 1: the defense attorney, who Nicole Westmoreland, who was the attorney
Speaker 1: that you know a lot of people were kind of
Speaker 1: waiting to see how she crossed examined. This was her
Speaker 1: first time actually getting up and going and cross examining
Speaker 1: with the witness, because we had heard that she was
Speaker 1: so good at strategy behind cross examination. She's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned a couple things in your story
Speaker 1: here on the stand that don't reflect what you told
Speaker 1: the prosecutors and your interviews and you met with them
Speaker 1: a few times, correct and down, you know, didn't didn't
Speaker 1: argue that she didn't meet with them a few times.
Speaker 1: There were like three to four times from the first
Speaker 1: interview until the until you know now when we are
Speaker 1: when we're seeing don where Dawn did not mention at
Speaker 1: all the fact that she was threatened allegedly by Puff
Speaker 1: and what Miss west Moreland did that I thought was
Speaker 1: very good was before she brought back up that threat
Speaker 1: and the fact that it wasn't mentioned, and a lot
Speaker 1: of the interviews that Dawn had with the prosecutors, she said,
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I understand when Shawn
Speaker 1: Holmes allegedly threatened you, right, what did you take that
Speaker 1: threat as? And Dawn said, you know what, I took
Speaker 1: that threat if I did something. He would allegedly kill
Speaker 1: me if I did something. She said, okay, so we
Speaker 1: have it established that you were at fear for your
Speaker 1: life and doing It's like yeah. So then she goes
Speaker 1: on the line of times that Dawn did not mention
Speaker 1: this to the prosecutors the government and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: let's be clear, Shawn Holmes was not in the room
Speaker 1: when you did that interview, and she said no, she said,
Speaker 1: none of us were in that room, right, None of
Speaker 1: the lawyers, none of the attorneys were in the room
Speaker 1: and did the interview. She said no, and she said, well,
Speaker 1: I'm very confused as to if you weren't fear for
Speaker 1: your life, why wouldn't you bring that into the interview.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you tell the government that Wes Moreland then
Speaker 1: did the same thing, And the fact that Dawn had
Speaker 1: communication with Diddy. She established the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: dawnval is a part of Danady Kane and Dandy Kane,
Speaker 1: you know, and Diddy and Dirty Money were these really
Speaker 1: big groups and they were platinum and they were successful.
Speaker 1: And she, you know, was like, well, you you went
Speaker 1: on to do things by yourself after that, and it
Speaker 1: just wasn't as successful. So you kind of see where
Speaker 1: she's gone when she starts implying these things and saying
Speaker 1: these things, and she's like, you know, in twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: you say you got away, you decided to leave, never
Speaker 1: say anything about anything you saw because you were instructed
Speaker 1: to do so. And Dawn is like, you agree, like, yes,
Speaker 1: I left in twenty eleven. I was told by you know,
Speaker 1: allegedly Puff and a guy named Harf Pierre that was like,
Speaker 1: you know, an executive that worked with Puff not to
Speaker 1: say anything about anything. So she says she listened again
Speaker 1: because she was in fear for her life from that
Speaker 1: one incident that she had directly when she had that
Speaker 1: threat thrown directly at her allegedly, and then everything else
Speaker 1: that she had saw over time. So Wes Moreland, who
Speaker 1: was the defense attorney, is like, well, you say that
Speaker 1: you left in twenty eleven, but there was communications with
Speaker 1: Shawan after that, And at first Dawn is kind of
Speaker 1: like like she uh, and then she brings up the communications.
Speaker 1: She's like, Okay, She's like, well, here's a text conversation.
Speaker 1: Because before that, the way that Dawn was mentioning in
Speaker 1: the conversations they were having was is if Diddy would
Speaker 1: reach out to her whenever she would have these high
Speaker 1: moments in her career, and she would make sure that,
Speaker 1: you know, she her temperament was right like calling him bro,
Speaker 1: just trying to make sure she didn't make him upset
Speaker 1: and you know, making sure that the situation was diffused
Speaker 1: because she had dealt with him, you know, dealt with
Speaker 1: all this before, so she knew how to, you know,
Speaker 1: just not put flames to the situation. But Miss west
Speaker 1: Moreland came on and she's like, look, you left in
Speaker 1: twenty eleven. You were away, you had no ties, you
Speaker 1: had no reason to be in contact with them. Then
Speaker 1: they start bringing up these these communications. So one of
Speaker 1: the communications that they brought up was from a year
Speaker 1: where Dawn had reached out to allegedly work with Puff.
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. The defense didn't clarify what those
Speaker 1: communications were. All the defense said was, well, you reached
Speaker 1: out to him. Y'all had conversations despite you saying he
Speaker 1: was only reaching out to you. And she's like, correct now,
Speaker 1: And at the same time, every single time there's a
Speaker 1: hole that Wes Moreland grabs out, she mentions, Okay.
Speaker 2: Your story's changing, your story's changing.
Speaker 1: It got to a point where Don literally had to say, yes,
Speaker 1: my story is changing, but it's changing because the more
Speaker 1: I talk about this stuff, the more I remember, I'm
Speaker 1: doing this testimony to the best of my ability.
Speaker 2: Period.
Speaker 1: Now I say all that, and remember I told you like,
Speaker 1: it was so weird today because it was like you
Speaker 1: felt one way until her from the other side, Because
Speaker 1: then the prosecution came back in and the prosecution is
Speaker 1: now asking her questions again behind the defence and they clarified.
Speaker 2: They clarified that the.
Speaker 1: Communication that Dawn had with Diddy following her leaving in
Speaker 1: twenty eleven was number one because she was trying to
Speaker 1: be a part of making the band.
Speaker 2: There there was like another making the band announced.
Speaker 1: She had had some conversations about being a part of that,
Speaker 1: and she specifically was trying to, you know, work with
Speaker 1: Laurian Gibson, who was going to be more and so
Speaker 1: working with that not puff puh, thank you, not puff right,
Speaker 1: And she's like, okay, did he wasn't involved in that
Speaker 1: though he wasn't going to be a judge on that.
Speaker 1: The conversation of relationship I was trying to build this
Speaker 1: is Dawn is Laurian Gibson. So she said, you know,
Speaker 1: I had conversations and I was told I needed to
Speaker 1: reach out to Diddy to make sure that it was
Speaker 1: okay that I did this. So she said, that's one
Speaker 1: time that she reached out and he didn't reach out
Speaker 1: to her. She said the second time was because she
Speaker 1: was trying to do something for a friend, do something
Speaker 1: for ms Kleena Harper, who was the other band member
Speaker 1: of Diddy Dirty Money. But neither side ever clarified what
Speaker 1: she was trying to do. But she just kept saying,
Speaker 1: I was just trying to help a friend.
Speaker 2: They didn't. Again, the defense leaned back.
Speaker 1: Into the whole you know, there's hols in your story
Speaker 1: why things changed, And she's like, man, I'm remembering the
Speaker 1: best I can remember. The prosecution when they came back
Speaker 1: and they're like, Yo, what was the time on on
Speaker 1: this stuff?
Speaker 2: How long ago was some of this stuff?
Speaker 1: So again pointed to the fact that this stuff was
Speaker 1: a long time ago.
Speaker 2: A lot of this stuff she may not remember.
Speaker 1: There was a big moment too, though, where Dawn couldn't
Speaker 1: speak to the fact that her attorneys had allegedly sense
Speaker 1: a settlement offer to Diddy.
Speaker 2: She had no idea of it at all.
Speaker 1: Understand there was a misquote in her lawsuit filing. So
Speaker 1: the civil lawsuit that dorn Richard files, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was interesting how the civil lawsuits were coming into
Speaker 1: conversations so much here in this criminal federal court. So
Speaker 1: in the lawsuit filing, the civil lawsuit filing that Dormochard has,
Speaker 1: she mentioned an incident where she saw Cassie allegedly being
Speaker 1: drugged by her hair through grass. Diddy's legal team brought
Speaker 1: that up because again they're trying to just deflate her credibility,
Speaker 1: and they're like, do you remember telling prosecutors that that
Speaker 1: didn't happen that way? And she's like doing it, she's
Speaker 1: she was very honest about it. She was like, yes,
Speaker 1: I told the prosecutors that that was a misquote for
Speaker 1: my attorney, and they just left it at that. Like
Speaker 1: they did everything they could to poke poles in and
Speaker 1: we's Moore was really good at poking the holes. But
Speaker 1: again when the prosecutors came in and doubled back behind it,
Speaker 1: they did everything they could to be like, Okay, that
Speaker 1: hole was there, but here's why. And then they brought
Speaker 1: Carrie Morgan on a stand who was friends, very close
Speaker 1: friends with Cassie for a very very long time, who
Speaker 1: the prosecution. You know, they let her go. They let
Speaker 1: her tell her different stories and recount different things, and
Speaker 1: you know, she really I don't even think we needed it,
Speaker 1: to be honest, because Cassie had already done her due
Speaker 1: diligence at telling her story about all the abuse that
Speaker 1: she suffered and things that that nature. And they had
Speaker 1: photos to a company. We've seen the video from the
Speaker 1: Intercontinental hotel. So I don't think that the jury needed
Speaker 1: to be sold on domestic violence when it comes to Diddy, right.
Speaker 1: But one thing that I thought was interesting with Cary
Speaker 1: Morgan and it was certain things that they both remembered
Speaker 1: that were key, right because like Cary Morgan remembered the.
Speaker 2: Hangar incident, you know, she remembered going to urgent care.
Speaker 1: They tried, they did try to trip carry Morgan up
Speaker 1: a bit. They the defense did, did he seem because
Speaker 1: she had said that in her report to in her
Speaker 1: interview with the prosecutors priors to come in to court,
Speaker 1: she had said that she went to a hospital on
Speaker 1: the scene, she said an urgent care, and she said
Speaker 1: to herself, like yo, urgent care in hospital was like
Speaker 1: the same thing. There were small ways where they were
Speaker 1: trying to trip he up, but they couldn't really get
Speaker 1: her because she was honest about what she didn't know.
Speaker 1: She didn't second guess it what she did know. She
Speaker 1: stuck straight to that. And if you asks her five
Speaker 1: different ways, she was you know what I mean, she
Speaker 1: was saying the same thing. So it really made today
Speaker 1: like it made me feel indifferent about today in both testimonies,
Speaker 1: but at high level that I was a breakdown of today.
Speaker 1: Let me know how y'all are feeling, because I'm feeling
Speaker 1: like neither of those testimonies changed what I already knew.
Speaker 1: I already knew because I saw the videos and I
Speaker 1: saw photos and I heard cast is testimony that Diddy
Speaker 1: was extremely physically violent to her. One thing I did
Speaker 1: want to point out with Carrie Mooregon and the defense
Speaker 1: trying to use Carrie Morgan as a way to angle
Speaker 1: Cassie into like jealousy and anger and.
Speaker 2: You know, having a motive and you know all these things.
Speaker 1: I feel like, even though she was very honest about
Speaker 1: her testimony, and I think that they thought because they've know,
Speaker 1: they haven't been friends for a while, and there was
Speaker 1: like a settlement that happened, and you know Carrie Morgan,
Speaker 1: it's almost it's almost as if they tried to pin
Speaker 1: carry Morgan in this corner of like, we know you
Speaker 1: may have an issue with her still, so so come here,
Speaker 1: tell us all your goods.
Speaker 2: Right, Carrie Morgan said what she had to say, but
Speaker 2: she kept it very honest.
Speaker 1: She said, even with the thirty thousand dollars settlement that
Speaker 1: she received from Cassie which when we heard about this before,
Speaker 1: the way that the Fins tried to angle that settlement
Speaker 1: was as if Cassie was admitting guilt to something. That's
Speaker 1: admitting guilt to something she was involved in. Kerry Morgan
Speaker 1: don't understand. And they instantly said, well, when Cassie came
Speaker 1: to you and she, you know, was trying to pay
Speaker 1: you for these things, you know that we're alleging that happened,
Speaker 1: the things she did to you, carry Morgan stopped and
Speaker 1: she says, she did to me. She didn't do those
Speaker 1: things to me. Did he did those Sean Colmbs did
Speaker 1: those things to me? Cassie was the middle person. Cassie
Speaker 1: just came to me and said, hey, here's how much
Speaker 1: he's willing to pay you. And they fell out because
Speaker 1: Cassie was downplaying the abuse, which again it's like, of
Speaker 1: course she was downplaying the abuse. She was a woman
Speaker 1: that was being abused, as we saw, there's no you
Speaker 1: can't question that anymore. So of course she's downplaying it
Speaker 1: because she stayed there for all those years, right, But
Speaker 1: that's why they stopped speaking. But I think I thought
Speaker 1: that that was such an interesting point when she made
Speaker 1: that clear, like no, no, No, let's keep the main thing.
Speaker 2: The main thing.
Speaker 1: He came up with this number, thirty thousand dollars. Allegedly
Speaker 1: he came to Cassie. Cassie then called her friend and said,
Speaker 1: y'all let's meet up. They meet up. She's like, hey,
Speaker 1: signus Nda, you can't go nowhere. You can't talk about this.
Speaker 1: You can't this, you can't that. You're over doing you're
Speaker 1: being dramatic, you're doing too much. This is did was,
Speaker 1: She alleged to Cassi's saying like she downplayed it, offered
Speaker 1: her the money. Carrie took the money and went about
Speaker 1: her business. But it was very clear that from what
Speaker 1: Kary we're gonna say, and Cassie made it very clear
Speaker 1: that money was coming from Diddy for the things that
Speaker 1: he had done previous to that. Cary Morgan also testified
Speaker 1: that when he walked into Cassie's apartment that day, or
Speaker 1: Cassie's home that day, and that hanger incident when he
Speaker 1: allegedly hit her with a hanger that they keep going
Speaker 1: back to happen, he came in and said, who's she
Speaker 1: cheating on me? With the defense trying to make it
Speaker 1: seem like that incident happened because Diddy was trying to
Speaker 1: protect Cassie from Carrie Morgan and another woman because of
Speaker 1: the drugs that they were allegedly doing together, which Kry
Speaker 1: Morgan didn't deny. She said that they were doing drugs together,
Speaker 1: but she said not that day in that house. There
Speaker 1: were no drugs even there. According to what she said,
Speaker 1: I'm Laura of the Rose that this is the latest.
Speaker 2: I'm about to get on out of here.
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